He does. I mean, him and the rest of the guys working on those games keep things absolutely dialed. Yeah. It's a very, very impressively well-maintained collection of games. They definitely, they don't have any EMs there, which we give them shit for sometimes, but it's, like I said, we take it for granted. They, like I alluded to earlier, it's a focused mainly on DMD games and up. They do have a constantly growing collection of earlier solid states, which is awesome to see with the most recent expansion. They've been able to get even more out on the floor. Yeah, they just expanded again. So if you've been a few years ago, they, they just expanded and added like. They're expanding like every six months. It feels like they added like 50 pins and more video games. But they what I really like about it is as it's gone on, they've added more and more solid state games and they've gotten a little bit older. They still don't have EMS. This is one of those places that's labeled a pinball museum. I don't think it's a pinball museum. It is an arcade. One hundred percent the world's craziest arcade like it is the most impressive arcade. Yes. I don't think it's a museum. They have note cards and whatever. This has to be like a city zoning thing with the city of Hillsborough or something. That's what I would expect. It's not laid out like a museum. It looks like an arcade. It does not have the atmosphere of a museum. It's an arcade. It's very much, it feels like when you've seen it, it's got all the underglow on the games. It's got the arcade carpet. It kind of has that like 90s mall arcade look to it, which is why it photographs well and everyone loves sharing the photos everywhere. Just on steroids. It's like it is massive. It gets bigger. You get lost in there. And I think they get voted the best pinball spot every year. You know, they also campaign pretty heavily for it. Like you walk in the door and they shove it down your throat and they'll send you emails about it to vote for them and stuff. But that's all fine and good. This place, even if they didn't do that, they would get voted the best pinball spot in the world, I think, every year. It's incredible. And this is going to be the spot that if you're into modern pins, if you're into games, if you're really only excited about games that have ramps, like multi-balls, modes, if you're excited about like, oh, am I going to get to play Oktoberfest or any of these weird American games or all the spooky games or every Jersey Jack game, including Pirates of the Caribbean or all the Stern LEs with toppers. Yeah, if you want to see all of the fancy new shit, Next Level gets it as soon as anybody on the West Coast gets it, which is sick. If you're a nerd like me that likes new stuff, it's another thing we take for granted. It's every time, like, Berrio's BBQ comes out, I can just – You can play it there. Yep. I don't have to go to a show and hunt it down. It's like, why would I wait? It's kind of ruined the appeal of shows to me in some ways. Yeah, you can play Queen. You can play Alien. You can – they always have – I don't think they have Queen or Alien, Alan. They will. or at some point i mean that's the thing though is they have 300 games like what they don't have doesn't matter because like every single sega pin made the american sega pins if you want to play every dmd bally williams every single like dmd gotlieb it's it's an insane collection yeah it's absolutely insane live up to the name it lives up to the hype i would say you need to travel for this too we said this about past times we had to travel luckily we live in this area so we don't have to travel to the next level. Like we can just go. Yeah. It absolutely warrants a trip. 100%. Like these two places, the first two that we start with, I think the first four of these places that we're going to talk about, I've been to, and I think absolutely are worth traveling to. Yeah. The next one we're going to cover is Wizards World. The name has kind of changed. I can't remember what it specifically is, but if you search Wizards World, it still pops up. It's in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Sometimes it's called Fort Wayne Pinball. That's what it's called. Yeah. Fort Wayne pinball, but the merch still says Wizards World. They still have wizards and stuff like outside. There's like a scarecrow wizard. This is another place that Alan and I hit up when we flew in Cleveland after we had done Pastimes. We were both a little worried that leaving Pastimes, we thought nothing could compare. We thought pinball was ruined forever and we would never enjoy it again outside of the walls of Pastimes. We were immediately blown away. Wizards World is fucking awesome. So sick. It's so rad. And it's one of those things, it's this little low ceiling building, games absolutely jammed in there. Jam packed, dude. Like packed the fuck in that building. Pinball Hoarder's Garage, where it's like every spare piece of square footage is utilized to put another fucking awesome game in. And the games were absolutely dialed. That was the one that set it more apart than, I've never been to a location like that where every solid state I went up to was just fucking fast and mean. and I didn't have a single gripe about setup on in the solid states. It was like absolutely perfect. The setup, you can tell. I always tell this to people. I think it's very interesting when you go to pinball locations because when you go to pinball locations, I always feel like I can immediately tell. No matter what they have on the floor, I can tell what the owners or what the operators of that space, what their true love is. And when you go into Wizard's World, you can tell that they love early solid state games like they had some awesome bally's some williams and then they had a bunch of stern electronics and they all had like new playfields new pop bumper caps like like new plastics like absolutely gorgeous stern electronics games and they fucking ripped they ripped and the thing that they did is that they set up alex says there's nothing to complain about this up they set those things up hard as fuck dude yeah people would complain people would definitely complain do not i loved it we i mean how much money did you and i alone put in flight 2000 we put in i probably put 15 bucks in a flight to yeah just in like a couple hours i just was obsessed we were obsessed because we were on the we were trying to start the multi-ball and how many times we got so fucking close dude it's funny because this is one of the only locations it's the only one on this list i've been to that's a big spot with it being on coin drop and it's interesting to see how much money you can burn through when you're playing pinball for hours like that oh yeah we obviously gravitate towards harder games shorter playing games but we also played a lot of easy games there and we were also i know you've mentioned it in the past like we were playing well like yeah we were setting good scores i was set i set three gcs while i was there and it's like whenever people complain about entry fee and how all they could get their money no you fucking can't yeah yeah no like we went through so much more than twenty dollars over the course of six hours or whatever it was common we also were there that's the thing about these mega locations if you're traveling like you it's a destination you're there to play yeah when we're talking about a hundred games you know how hard you can't even play even if you're there for six hours you can't play a hundred games one time yeah that's the big thing about these mega locations i tried at past times i did my i did my fucking best to play every game I hadn't played before, and it was exhausting. I gave up on day two. What was good about it, because these places are overwhelming. When you go into this place and you live in a different place that doesn't have a lot of pinball, what happens is you're like, oh my God, they have all these games. They have my favorite game. They have maybe the nicest version of my favorite game I've ever seen, and you might be tempted to go play it. But really, what you should be doing is play all the games you don't get to play. Yeah. That you never get to play, that you've always wanted to play. Anytime you walk up to a game, you're like, what the hell is this? play that game like that's what you should be doing at these locations and past times was great because they had i don't know maybe like a hundred or so were like dmds up to kind of moderns that i was like oh i played all these i don't even need to play them so i'm like taking a hundred out of that 400 machines that they have and i'm like don't need to worry about that but then it became like oh my god they had so many rare fucking games that i've never seen anywhere else i mean they have the the rarest collection of games yeah but wizard's world has like the nicest versions of solid state games outside of we will shout out our favorite spot to play these solid states up in seattle the icebox they have like a little and germane that that runs those games they're incredible like it's like that's what it was like at wizard's world it was like it was like playing germane solid states but there's more of them in this big location we were in the middle of you know northern indiana yeah and it was it was awesome dude i mean so much fun wizard's world was sick nominal spot absolutely would love to go back we'll be going back as soon as i can yeah 100 the next one on the list i don't think alex has been to but i've been to i know rodsey's been to rodsey was like if you're driving through because i did a road trip back down to california for a buddy's wedding and on the way back my rodsey was like you absolutely have to go to pacific pinball museum in alameda they have 103 machines but they've got like a whole fucking warehouse and it's a whole thing they can't find they've yet to find the building that can house more of it and it's a lot of city legislation shit and all that kind of stuff but it's again 22 all day free play access it's open six days a week and of all the places i've been to they take the museum of pinball museum the most serious this actually feels like a museum you can play all the games but like you walk in and it starts with like baffle ball and it starts with like those kind of bagatelle like pull the plunger games without flippers and then it moves to wood rails with flippers and it tells you like humpty dumpty this is the first game with flippers and they'll go through and be like this is why this is interesting they have different rooms where it's like here's pointy people art and here's the art of christian march and they'll show you like all these games that he did or here's the games of like ted zale and like why his games are interesting and they'll have like a room where they have like pieces of pinball machines like hanging on strings and wires so you can grab a pop bumper and like squeeze it and see how it moves and just stuff like that they commissioned or made you know the first now more people have done it but they they made like ems that were made out like lucite cabinets so you can see the inner workings of the games while you played them and they do stuff like that like they take the exhibit all that stuff is very taken very seriously and shown a lot of care and as somebody that loves the history of pinball like i love that place and they have great ems and the games play great they have lots of volunteers that do a fucking excellent job and i wish i lived closer i wish i could go more often I love the Pacific Pinball Museum. This is absolutely, again, one of the best places in the whole world to play pinball. It's a place that I definitely want to go to. I never find myself in California, but at some point I'm going to have to kind of make a trip down. It's worth a trip just to do that. And there's other great places in the Bay to play. So, again, it's just like one of those things where you go there, you get drawn in by the mega location, and then you play at all the cool little bars and cool little spots around there. I think that's the biggest appeal of these to me is it's a good basis for a pinball centric vacation or destination. And then you can go hit like it's an excuse to check out all the shit around it. Yeah. That's the fun part of it, I guess, is that you go for the big thing and then you stay for the little stuff. Yeah. You find the little gems. The next one on the list is this the last the last on this list that we've been to or I've been to. And it's definitely going to be the most contentious. And that is the Pinball Hall of Fame in Las Vegas. pinball hall of fame they've got 350 ish games who knows how many are working that day alan they're open every day it's moved locations a couple times right now it's right on the strip in the giant building that says pinball on the front what do you think about it they got some of the rarest games too they got the only pinball circus python's game that was a prototype two were made this is the only one that's in public playable they got it going nuts which is a crazy game that was a time-based game um then they have the firepower prototype where steve richie had the drops in there when he was first building that game got switched out to stand-ups the rough part about the pinball hall of fame is that all three of those games you named were powered off the last time I was there. And that's what happens with that place because it gets a ton of traffic and people travel to Vegas and they swing in and they want to play one thing specifically and that one thing will be broken. And then they'll just write off the whole place as just unredeemable garbage. And in reality, it's not garbage. It's not the best location ever. It leans a lot more towards the good side than the bad, in my opinion. It's just a high traffic location. It's all on coin play. There's no entry fee. That's the thing. So it's not like they're stealing your money. They're stealing your money. And he operates Tim who runs the place. He operates it and gives all the proceeds charity. So he catches a lot of flack for that because like, just hire more techs, treat it like a business, this and that. And that's not his thing. It's never been his thing. He's always wanted to do it. He used to be an old school operator in the seventies in Michigan. He moved out to Vegas. He brought all these machines. He doesn't have to do this like i said when i first got into pinball this was one of the only spots he was in a different location it was a little bit smaller he was also younger and the machines were more well maintained back then yep than they are now there is criticism that's real about going out there but i also feel like i defend this place a lot because i fell in love with pinball there and going there and my mother-in-law lives in Vegas, so I would visit Vegas a lot. I don't gamble. I hate Las Vegas. And it always gave me like a reprieve. It's like, man, I could just go play hours and hours and hours of pinball. I could play. That's where I fell in love with EMs. I feel like his EMs always play a lot better than his solid state or his modern machines do. Again, it ends up becoming like you can tell what people care about, like I said. And Tim, just like Clay, who we talked about with the VFW Hall. Those guys know each other. Those guys have contributed so much to the hobby. They both gave seminars at pinball expos. They both wrote guides on fixing and restoring pinball machines when the internet was early, when it was young, when parts weren't available, pinball had died. They were helping people get their games online. Whether you know it or not, you've learned or benefited from their knowledge of fixing games through the grapevine. So when I find people shitting on the place or shitting on him, it strikes a chord that it upsets me because I just think you're ignorant of like the history of pinball. And that's not to say that there aren't considerable gripes about the current version of it, but the way people gleefully shit on it and think that they could do a better job upsets me because what they're doing, even the other places we talked about, wizards world pacific pinball museum next level pastimes those places are not on the las vegas strip that's the biggest thing i the amount of traffic that place gets in the amount of just like shit that those games have to deal with is a big part of it i again i i was kind of playing i have to play the negative role here because i know you love the place and otherwise neither of us would speak any ill of it yeah we didn't want to come across too glowing but the pinball hall of fame similarly for me the first time I visited it was off the strip it was at its previous location and it's basically it was the first time I ever played an EM and all I did was play EMs I sat there for I can't remember how long I was allowed to stay there with like three hours or whatever and just played like the EMs because I was I'd never seen it before I immediately fell in love and it was just kind of like oh my god this like it was so great because there was nowhere else that I had been there were no other locations around me in the midwest that dared to put an electromechanical came out on location and Tim had like hundreds of them and they played great and a lot of those EMs still do play great at the new location every time I go there I've been a couple times since it's been on the strip and every time I've been there again you might find stuff turned off that you wanted to play but I guarantee you'll find good games that you'll like to play that are still powered on and it's like even if I go and I just want to play Spanish Eyes or I just want to go play you know Drop a Card or what whatever random EM that I like want to play that day it's worth going mean just for that experience and it's realist things i don't know i think it's unfortunate because there's a lot of people out there a lot of pinball players you might be one of you listening you don't give a shit about ems you don't want to play ems you look at all those games it's like games that aren't fun to you yeah i hope that as you're in the hobby longer you will gravitate backwards like that's i that's what i did that's what alex did i don't expect people to immediately get into pinball through godzilla or ghostbusters or Stranger Things and then jump way back and think that Drop a Card is super fun or North Star or Big Casino or Grand Prix or something. I don't expect that. But there will come a time if you're in it long enough and you play the right one at the right time and it'll just unlock it in your head. And he always put those out. I respect what he does. I respect the money he gives to charity. I respect that he doesn't need to be doing this. I hope that he gets more volunteers and that he can bring it back to its former glory because the people that see it now, it's easy to dump on it. Now, I'm not going to argue. Some of the criticisms are valid, but I will say that I've interacted with him before. He is not the jerk that I hear stories about. I've never been in there. And there are always kids in there where he's throwing a child out by their ear. I know he hates kit. Here's the thing. I own a promo location. Sometimes kids are the fucking worst and it's not the kids. it's the parents. Parents will let their kids run around screaming and hollering and whatever, and they won't say anything. Tim doesn't put up with that. So you know what I mean? Like, it is what it is. Like, and if you have young kids, you want to take them somewhere, and you don't want them yelled at by Tim, then don't go to the Hall of Fame, right? You're going to hear a lot about it. I wanted to give, we had to give a measured take on it, because I'm not going to ignore people's gripes about it, but I love the Hall of Fame. My mother-in-law lives in Vegas. Every time I'm in Vegas, I'm going to go. So I hope to see some of y'all there in the future. We could play some dollar games on Spanish eyes.