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Disney-Pixar Toy Story 4 Pinball Machine Review (SDTM, 2022)

Straight Down the Middle·video·1h 5m·analyzed·Aug 5, 2022
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TL;DR

SDTM reviews Stern's Toy Story 4: beautiful art, smooth layout by Lawlor, defends vs 'too easy' criticism.

Summary

Straight Down the Middle hosts Greg and Zach Sharpe review Stern Pinball's Toy Story 4 machine, designed by Pat Lawlor with code by Joe Cats and animation by an artist from Jurassic Park. They discuss the game's beautiful hand-drawn artwork, smooth shooting layout with excellent ball flow and minimal difficult shots, and defend it against community criticism that it's "too easy" by noting they struggle with certain modes like Bo Peep loops. The review covers playfield mechanics including Rescue Forky, multiball modes, and wizard mode progression.

Key Claims

  • Pat Lawlor designed Toy Story 4 pinball

    high confidence · Greg and Zach explicitly state this early in the review as confirmed fact

  • Joe Cats handled the code for Toy Story 4 with a team of approximately 10 coders

    high confidence · Zach Sharpe mentions Joe Cats took lead on coding with roughly 10 coders total

  • The artist from Jurassic Park did animation work on Toy Story 4

    medium confidence · Zach mentions 'Jurassic Park' in context of the animator, though the conversation is informal and slightly unclear

  • Toy Story 4 has both Collector's Edition and Limited Edition versions with the LE at 5,000 units

    high confidence · Hosts explicitly discuss CE bumped to 1,000 units and LE at 5,000 unit production run

  • No standard edition of Toy Story 4 exists

    high confidence · Zach states they are 'just rating Pixar Toy Story 4 because there is no standard edition'

  • The playfield art uses Disney style guides rather than completely original artwork

    medium confidence · Hosts debate whether the artist used style guides vs original work, with acknowledgment that Disney provided asset catalogs

  • Pat Lawlor has designed some of the greatest pinball layouts including Whirlwind, Funhouse, Adams Family, Twilight Zone, and Monopoly

    high confidence · Zach lists Lawlor's classic game designs as established pinball history

  • Toy Story 4 has smooth shooting mechanics with no particularly difficult shots except Duke Kaboom

    high confidence · Both hosts consistently note the game's excellent ball flow and accessible shot design during gameplay explanation

  • Community criticism claims Toy Story 4 is 'too easy' to complete

    high confidence · Hosts explicitly reference 'A lot of people criticizing saying game is too easy' and address this criticism head-on

Notable Quotes

  • “We're older. We're older. Wiser. You're more grazed.”

    Greg / Zach Sharpe@ 2:25 — Casual opening joke between co-hosts establishing the show's tone

  • “It's the baby's first pinball machine is what I'm told.”

    Zach Sharpe@ 8:59 — Community characterization of Toy Story 4 as accessible/easy, which the hosts push back against

  • “It flows so incredibly well. The amount of combos that you can have in there are freaking insane.”

    Zach Sharpe@ 22:01 — High praise for Pat Lawlor's layout design and ball flow mechanics

  • “This is one of the best. Yeah. You can't compare this shooter to, I mean, there's thousands of pinball machines. This is one of the best.”

    Greg / Zach Sharpe@ 26:28 — Strong endorsement of Toy Story 4's shooting mechanics ranking it among the best ever

  • “It's because there are some still really nice shots in there, but it flows so incredibly well.”

    Zach Sharpe@ 21:57 — Specific technical praise for Lawlor's design approach to shot flow

  • “Why would you ever hang up a print in your house versus the original work of art? Why would you ever do that? It's just like, and it's still beautiful. It doesn't matter that it's a print.”

    Greg@ 18:44 — Defending the use of Disney style guides in the artwork against criticism

Entities

GregpersonZach SharpepersonPat LawlorpersonJoe CatspersonStern PinballcompanyJersey Jack PinballcompanyDisney-PixarcompanyToy Story 4game

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    sentiment_shift: Significant portion of community criticizes Toy Story 4 as 'too easy' or lacking challenge; hosts actively defend against this criticism

    high · Zach explicitly states 'A lot of people criticizing saying game is too easy' and both hosts spend considerable time reframing the difficulty complaint

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Toy Story 4 positioned as one of Pat Lawlor's best-shooting games, comparable to Willy Wonka in overall quality; excellent ball flow enables competitive depth despite accessibility

    high · Hosts rate shooting mechanics A/A+ range; Greg: 'Is this better layout than Lawlor's Willy Wonka? Which one shoots better? I'm right there. I don't know'; explicit comparison to legendary designs

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Pat Lawlor created an accessible game for casual players (families, kids, wives) while maintaining competitive depth through combo potential and smooth shooting mechanics

    high · Greg emphasizes 'Pat did make an on-compass shooter for everybody' and notes excellent ball flow enables combos; hosts explicitly design for families vs hardcore players

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Disney provided style guides and asset catalogs rather than requiring completely original artwork; this constrains but does not diminish artistic quality

    medium · Hosts debate whether style guides were used; Greg argues the distinction is meaningless if result is beautiful; acknowledges 'Disney says here is the assets that you truly have to use'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Pat Lawlor's current status with Jersey Jack Pinball appears uncertain; hosts mention hearing 'he's not at Jersey Jack Pinball anymore'

Transcript

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0:00
All right, let's kick this shit. Ride like the wind, bullseye! To infinity and beyond! You heard the sheriff. Let's go!
0:51
Relax, this is no time to panic. This is the perfect time to panic! Bonnie made a friend in class. Everyone, I want you to meet Forky!
1:08
Trash, here I come! Shoot the left ramp! Use the spinner! Rescue Forky! Bunny, how'd you find me? Shoot the inner loop to spin the wheel.
1:44
Duke Caboom, Canada's greatest stuntman. Caboom. Oh, we actually did that. Yes, my Canada! Hello, Woody. I knew you'd be back.
2:01
I'm not leaving without forking. Hey, guys. Long time no see. So long, partner. We're back. Better than ever. Are we, though? We're older. Wiser. You're more grazed. Look at that one. I can't pull it. It's good. No, fuck. No, it hurts. That's so much gray over there, dude

  • Zach Sharpe successfully completed the wizard mode on stream with assistance from Hoop T

    medium confidence · Greg mentions Zach 'blew up' the game on stream with Hoop T, implying wizard mode completion

    • “That right orbit to the ramp. It's so smooth you almost feel like sometimes if you barely hit that ball it was still get up it still gets up.”

    Zach Sharpe@ 22:39 — Technical observation about the dialed-in quality of specific shots

  • “I have a hard time disseminating between. Is this better layout than Lawlor's Willy Wonka? Which one shoots better?”

    Greg@ 23:50 — Positioning Toy Story 4 among the best Pat Lawlor designs, comparable to Willy Wonka

    • Straight Down the Middle
    organization
    Hoop Tperson
    Michael Malikaperson
    Paul Listman Wardperson
    Todd Schultzperson
    Antonio Verduzcoperson
    Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factorygame
    Houdini Master of Mysterygame

    low · Zach states 'I've heard he's not at Jersey Jack Pinball anymore' in speculative tone; no confirmation provided

  • ?

    product_strategy: Toy Story 4 positioned with two production tiers: Collector's Edition (1,000 units) and Limited Edition (5,000 units); no standard edition strategy

    high · Hosts explicitly discuss CE/LE production numbers and note 'there is no standard edition'

  • ?

    product_concern: Minor mechanical inconsistency on loop shot routing; ball doesn't always cleanly complete orbit from loop due to gap design and flipper geometry

    medium · Greg notes loop shot 'maybe that's not as smooth as I would like it to be because a lot of times you'll hit that shot and you don't get it all the way around as easy as you do some other games'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Spinner design criticized as functionally limited; ball held in saucer prevents through-shot or orbit continuation that would enhance shot variety

    medium · Zach expresses wish for spinner to include through-shot or ramp continuation: 'I want it to be able to go through. Oh, I see. Yeah, I want a through shot'

    • 2:35
    Whisker biscuit Greg and Zach were straight down the middle. It's good to see you guys. Yeah, most of you guys Yeah, most of your gals. What do you think our gal percentage is? Probably about hovering about well, we gotta look at analytics four or five percent of you. Yeah about five percent Let's up those numbers. Yeah, why not? I'll go shirtless. Oh, whoa, that might work actually, you know, I was a flipping out pinball, I was helping pick up a game, or somebody was coming to pick up a game and it never freaking fails. Every time a husband and a wife comes to pick up a game, it's always the same thing. They look around. Oh, it's great to see you.
    3:11
    Look around. Where's Greg? Like I live with you. It's always the spouse. It's always the wife. Where's Greg? And then they have this little smirk on it.
    3:23
    It's always Greg. It's always falling off the wagon a little bit. I don't have the charming good looks I once had but I still get things done What does that mean?
    3:34
    Let's get some things done today great. What are we doing? We are reviewing a much anticipated toy story for man You got it
    3:45
    You like Randy Newman, no, it's right behind us Toy Story 4 le you've got an le but yes, that's pretty Thank you. It is a beautiful gear Before we get into that we have some thank yous. We want to tell thank you to people. Some of you have been very generous since our last video. Oh, yo, generosity. That's right, and if we thanked you already, we want to thank you again publicly. You've donated. You can look down below. See the PayPal there? Yeah. Yeah, they can donate down below and because of that we've been able to up some of our gear, haven't we? Yes, we have. Yeah, but here's the problem before I thank all of you. We got a gimbal and we were really excited about it. Yes. But our cameras lens is too big everything's too heavy too heavy so now we have to upgrade we got upgrade So if you'd be so kind if you guys want to see them some new equipment the straight down the middle But I wanted to say thank you to Michael Malika. Hello, Michael Malika leaky lockers name that movie
    4:44
    Color this one suit red that's room for the donation very very generous. Thank you Paul Listman Ward What's up, Paul? We got a little hyphen there.
    4:55
    Sounds like a business. PLW. It does sound like an attorney's office. Yeah. Listman and Ward. Yeah. Associates. Need to contact them. Get into some heat. Thank you for the generous donation. Thank you, sir. That has helped a lot. Oh, a bigger donation here by Mr. Ty Schultz. Hi, Ty. Ty Schultz. Thank you, Ty. Where do you think Ty's from?
    5:15
    Northeast. I'm going to go with Texas. Oh. Phew. Okay. I just feel like a kitchen That was a good donation that was a big one. Yeah, that one helped out the biggest donation Wow
    5:32
    Antonio Verduzco Verduzco, man, you know, he got some money. I think you're gonna have a dusko Mmm, he gave out the Benjamins. Thank you. Then do sco is then do so be okay I've been doing only you don't even do school. I wonder if he's a Italian he's not sorry Antonio come on that's yeah and then you like his name's Dominic I've been watching the that show about the making of Godfather I've heard great things but no I've heard really good for mom yeah yeah I'll to check out so for all of you who have donated thank you so much and we've done some recent giveaways yeah be on the lookout we will message you guys the the holographic decals and stuff.
    6:18
    You're getting those. Those will be coming. Alright, Greg, let's jump into it. Toy Story 4. Who designed this game? Pat Lawler. You think this is his last game? The infamous Pat Lawler. You know what? I don't know. He might be back. We did a first impressions of this game. We went up to the factory, helped them with a promotional video behind the scenes kind of feature in. Hung out with Pat a lot. So first impressions, we love this game. Let's see if it changes a little bit. So we know that the designer is Pat Lawler. Yes, what about the coder joke at so Joe cats and family? Yeah, tell your family over there spread about 10 coders Yes, but Joe cats took late. What about the artist?
    7:00
    Yes, what about animation Oh JP JP do great job like don't get on that but he did really good once we get into I mean right now I know I'm just What about the sound Who that I don't know why don't you know that I don't know people are complaining about Sam that's probably oh I think it's a group. Oh Production company group. Oh, I wonder if they did the No, Vicka steel did wonka. I don't know. I don't know. Sorry They made a CE, you know them in le Collectors edition and limited edition the collector's edition. They bumped up to a thousand units. Yes No, the bump up Bryson and then the we haven't played to see them been developed. Yeah, essentially the same game So we're just rating Toy Story 4 because there is no standard edition. Yes Yeah, and there's a bit away with that limited edition of 5,000 units Mm-hmm, it's usually hard which I'm still really shocked at the state. I mean, I guess I'd see why the standards wouldn't sell What do you got in your hand? What is that? It's a ball. We'll show the people then Like a stress ball or something. It's not blue. I'm a man. You anxious. What we're gonna say about that, huh? I don't even know what I was talking about now. Jesus. You distracted me. Drink another one.
    8:11
    It's still early. It didn't stop you. So those are the major players, Greg. Yes. And we've been major players. We've been playing the hell out of this game. Yes. Good and bad. We're going to talk about both. Yes. So before we get into the ratings of this game, Greg, I'm going to jump over. I'm going to show everybody how to play it. Yes. And then we'll jump back and we'll start rating Art and Marlon and Sean. Give this review. Talk to these people. I still wonder, is this Pat Lawler's last game, Swan Song? Is this it? I've heard he's not at J.J.P. anymore. All right, so here's what we're going to do. I hate, I hate when people try to explain to me rules of a game I don't know anything about. It's the worst. Don't do that to people. But I'm going to do that to Joel here tonight. I'm ready. For many of you, you guys probably know how to play Toy Story 4. It's so easy and basic. It's the baby's first pinball machine is what I'm told. I did get to the wizard mode finally. Oh yeah? Finally got to the wizard, the first part, part one. I haven't got part two. But part one, 10 seconds in, tilt it out. Oh no. Tilt it out. Do you do balls? Yeah. I turned it off. I literally turned it. It's per game. I don't change my settings.
    9:20
    Here's what we're going to do. I'm going to tell you how to play this game and then as you're playing maybe the first couple games, I'll kind of explain to you what you should be shooting for. Got it. Here's how I do it. For all of you competitive players. I don't care about points, so I don't know any of those strategies. What I do know is how to get to the wizard mode. That's all I care about, really.
    9:39
    Seven. You see that? Yeah, right in the middle. Seven inserts right in the middle there. Just like on the shadow, if you light them all up, you start the wizard mode. You like your inserts. That's it. That's the rules right now.
    9:51
    Road trip multiball. Just start road trip multiball over here. That's it. Dude, coming in with subs. Thank you. Road trip is over on the left. But the drop target's normally up, so what you do to get that once you start a game it'll pop up yeah but how do you get it down just hit it once one time and then you can lock balls then you lock three balls start that boom so four shots yeah that's it all you gotta do is start these you don't have to finish them finishing them does have benefits i talked to uh joe katz last night about the benefits of keeping them versus people are giving me a hard time for the turtles in the background i like turtles so road trip multi-ball boom that's it joe nailed it all right buzz multi-ball that saucer up there that i love Poofing the pops, yep. Yeah, it just bounces in there enough. It'll start that multi-ball. Boom, you got that. So you can't really aim for that. You just aim for the pops. Hey, just get it up in there. You're already two out of seven. That's more than Kaneda did the other day when he played five games. All right, next thing. Rescue Forky. Forky, yep. This is code-wise one of the coolest freaking – I don't see this in any game. Rade does have something similar to this in Zeppelin, I believe. Forky, hit all the stand-up targets. You're not going to aim for them, but at some point you're going to hit them all. You're going to see that left ramp. Blink rescue. Okay, as soon as you hit that that is the first shot in the sequence that you have to make without missing Okay, so it goes left ramp here comes the ramp. Do do kaboom up boom in there It's gonna cross it over here hit the scoop. Bam. Bam. Bam. You're asking for key. Nice if you miss one shot in that sequence You didn't rescue forky and you've got a you guys spell it all again, sir. No Travis is here mark Don't embarrass me, Joel. Hey, I got you covered. Harvey. I'm glad Travis here. All right. So that's the first three. Let's go over here. Bo Peep Loops. Yeah, I've heard about this one. This is the pain. This is what keeps me from starting Wizard Mode. Okay. It's the loop right there. Do you know how many you're supposed to do? It's like 15. Okay. But you have to start, I think, Super Loops. You have to start Super Loops. I think you do. Okay. I still that's why I'm not getting to the wizard mode regularly because I don't understand that one All I know is if you start super loops. Yeah, you can do one of two things You can hit three in a row if you hit three in a row. Got it. It's done Got it, or if you miss them because you will it's a little flippery. It's hard to hit three in a row I'll you know what? If you hit that five times in a row. Yeah, I'll give you a hundred dollars Uh, but you get 15 of them you get that okay duke kaboom jumps what do you think Duke Kaboom jumps are? I'm assuming the ramp comes up and you have to hit it. Easy enough. Got it. But what do you do to qualify that? Nothing. Every time that you see that Canadian maple leaf. The leaf, yeah. Any time that's lit. Either in lane. Either in lane is what makes it awesome. That'll pop up. You hit that successfully, and I think you get 10, 15 of them at some point. Okay. Then you get that. Got it. If for some reason you start Duke Kaboom on that wheel, Okay. Then you'll hit it. It'll come back around. It'll still be lit. Oh, so you can just keep going. You can hit it again. Okay. Hit three in a row, you get it. Bam. Got it. Kind of like the loops. Okay. Super spinners. Got it. Just hit spinners. And that's the Woody spinner over there. And Bo Peep. So Bo Peep, every time you shoot that, you're really kind of working towards two things. Yep. But I think you have to start super loops because if I plunge this ball and if I hit three consecutive, I'm not going to get it. Okay. You almost have to start that. I think, to even start adding up those spins. I think. All right. And then the middle one says Carnival Multi-Bowl. You could do that to get to that.
    13:32
    No. Carnival Multi-Bowl, the locks are right there. Is that just... See, it says Carnival Lock. Okay. If that's blinking green... Do you know how to qualify it? How do you turn the lock on?
    13:42
    You do the thing? I'm not rated. So it goes for five loops for $100. I'm ready. This is honestly... We are like 90% of you people. You know how I lock balls? when it lights green, I lock them. The better you do at this game, the more it'll be enabled to lock. Travis, are you in chat? How do you lock the ball? Just tell me.
    14:01
    We'll figure it out. Where's Greg? Greg's probably in bed. Yeah, Greg's... Greg is a morning person, not a night person. So that's it. You get the seven inserts, you start Mimi at the Carousel. Sounds good. First try, I'm ready. Here's the other thing you need to know.
    14:16
    Left ramp, it says Carnival Mode. That will blink. That's just saying there's a mode ready. We'll figure it out. That was Travis's answer. We'll figure it out. Left ramp to start modes. Yep. If you complete a mode and you collect that character, you get a perk whenever Carnival Multi-Ball starts. Ah, okay. So it's really important, and that's where your points come in, if you're a point chaser. Mm-hmm. During those modes, you want to complete the modes. Completing a Carnival mode lights Carnival lock. So mode is how you get to your lock. Okay. Yeah, right A mentioned it too. So you want to complete modes. Got it. That's it. So when you plunge, I mean, you're about to start the game. Oh, that's my favorite part, Joel. Oh, your skill shot. Oh, that's my favorite part. And the reason it's my favorite part is because on JJP games, if you complete a skill shot, you get more than just big points. You get other little things like candy, treats, or tents, or whatever the hell it is, and wonkas, bars, and stuff. But it's so fun because you have to plunge it, and the geometry is just right to let it arc in there. just boop. So you're going to nail it first try. No, I never did, but I like it because if you do that successfully three times in a game, you get an extra ball. Oh, all right. That's a big one. Okay. And you get a high score. I've, I think I'm only at two or three, but it's cool because you're like, I'm going to chase and try to get the high score for how many. So instead of, I mean, I've gotten used to in some games, hold the left flipper, hit the action button and you just want to go. No action button on this. So you're, you're going for the star. Roll it. Brass it. Black nickel it. Candy chrome it, powder coat it. The possibilities are endless at pinballplating.com.
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    16:46
    Great overview, Zach. Thanks. I enjoyed it. You didn't even see it. But I know how to play this game. Yeah, that's right. We've been doing this for a while. All right. Let's jump into the categories. Let's start like we always do on Straight to the Middle with art. Yes. Art. Yes. Art for art. What do we got on art? John Yowsey. Did you like it? Is this beautiful when you walk up to it? You're like, ooh, that's hand drawn, illustrated artwork. I love it. So I'm going to talk about how beautiful it is. Oh, it is. It is nice. It is very beautiful. Okay, I don't think anybody's denied how beautiful it well well, I should say yes people don't like it my rating I don't think reflects how beautiful it truly is But it's kind of like what we had talked about before about like what did you actually do? Did he have to use some templates or something as well? Oh, hey, then did he did he style guides? Yes, style guys He used like a style guide and he was just kind of the one who laid out the play field and they used him to You know lay out the artwork. What hold up. I want to make a point here whenever we have trouble figuring out if it is a style guide or not then i think it's acceptable you know what i mean oh like if we've got the point where we're like i don't know if that's a style it doesn't look good or not well and that's the thing too is like you make a very back in the photoshop days i could see well because that was photoshop shit exactly but let's just say that you take a pure style guide and disney says here is the assets that you truly have to use because i'm actually being kind of unfair and you bring up a really good point and people probably won't hear this it'll go to their ears but they won't listen this one got so mad when I talked about the art you see what I'm saying so what does it really matter if they gave him just a catalog and these are the exact images you have to use and you move those around and they're beautiful they're animated but it still looks like a beautiful game why does that necessarily need to be taken away from it exactly there's a lot of artists in this industry that do things that might be a little shady. You know what I mean? Yes. And it's just like, why would you ever hang up a print in your house versus the original work of art? Why would you ever do that? It's just like, and it's still beautiful. It doesn't matter that it's a print. Yeah. Oh my God, yeah. Are these original movie posters? All of them except for Harry Potter. Oh, couldn't snag the Harry Potter, huh? I bought it when I did my old theater and I just bought it from like a poster shop and it wasn't original, but everything else is original double-sided. So you drive your parks expensive, okay? Yeah, it's Jurassic Park's really expensive. It's not cheap Okay, yeah, so it's how I got it. No style guide. What did you have on? You had a B plus B plus this was it's solid and it's still like it's not like knock your socks off art is a Beautiful pin and I thought a people's phone maybe go a minus, but I think a B plus is very fitting of it I said before I forgot on whose video and then man somebody just railed me I said I think the play field art is one of JJP's best artwork packages in the play field like if you look at that the the gradient lottery from the sunset and stuff it's not cluttered it's not mixed up and main characters right in the middle there I thought that was beautiful but it is kind of like I say that but it is sort of I mean that's pretty yeah it truly it is it is I mean it is and even on the side like what I pointed out viewer is that what I like about this it's not just style guide You get and maybe it's thematically how they did the film you've you've got carnival you've got an antique shop So you've got some real depth in color and composition. Yeah, you've got a lot of bokeh those little light Carnival lights bokeh and I think that's beautiful in this well in the attention to detail like even on the cabinet and everything with the scuff marks and the weathering of toys and The very nice poshness of Bo Peep like everything else like they hold the boxes of Bo Peep. That was nice Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Like there is something that to be said about the detail that went into this art that you don't really see on a lot of pins. Yeah, that's fantastic when you get up to it. Sometimes with Buzz you get up there and we talked about this when we went to JJMP to film and they kind of pointed out to us too, they're like that's not a scuff mark on the game. You're like, oh that head looks like you might have a few scuffs on your head. No, it's Buzz's scent. In Toy Story 4, the animation team at Pixar was really big about weathering these toys in super fine details yes and so like it's fun yeah I like that I'm not mad at it there's a style guide or not it looks good I'm at a just solid beat okay so looks good I think it looks so the collection it's pretty yeah and you can't be changing up Woody and Buzz Lightyear you can't change anything you know Brian Allen in like come on yeah so the art is the art and We're both the solid B's there. What about shots and layout? We talked about Pat Lawler. He's created some of the greatest laid out games of all time. Whirlwind, Funhouse, Adam's Family, Twilight Zone. Jesus. Monopoly.
    21:42
    I actually don't mind Monopoly. I don't like it. CSI. Oh, wow. He's got great games. He came in, I think, and worked a little bit on Hobbit. Yes. So, I came in A-. Wow. You're loving it. And here's why. It's because there are some still really nice shots in there, but it flows so incredibly well. The amount of combos that you can have in this game are freaking insane of the way that you can keep the ball flowing in this. Yeah. There's nothing that is particularly, like, shitty hard shot. Honestly, Duke Kaboom may be your hardest shot. Kaboom. And that's just kind of hit or miss. It's just getting it off the fly. but I mean he's got what feels to me like I said like they can kind of redo in the flippers or whatever whatever they were Able to do on there those flippers feel so much better They do and it makes this game so much smoother none of the shots feel bad like that right orbit to the ramp It's so smooth you almost feel like sometimes if you barely hit that ball It was still get up it still gets up Yeah, I don't know how like if I know that back and then goes up the ramp But it doesn't take hardly anything to get up that yeah It's that dialed-in shot, that right orbit that comes up and crosses back over. But that is a great point because every time I'm playing, I'm like, on any other game, no way it makes it. But I guarantee here it comes. It just glides right around. Very smooth shooting game. It's got spinners for days. Some juicy, riffable spinners. I do like the spinner.
    23:10
    Spinner to spinner. I wish that you had a woody spinner. I like that shot, but I wish with the spinner there I had a little, I want it really. I want it to be able to go through. Oh, I see. Yeah, I want a through shot. Go up a ramp or something? Yeah, something where it's... Or an orb. Yeah. But it spins and it's still nice, but then my ball is held in that saucer. It's more like a spinner right in front of the shadow start mode. Yes. Boom, and then it kicks it out. Exactly. But it kicks it out ready for that rip. And that... Bo-Beat. Using the Bo-Beat. Now, when it comes to shots, I'll piggyback off you. It's Pat Lawler. This thing shoots phenomenally. It's right up there. I have a hard time disseminating between. Is this better layout than Lawler's Wonka? Which one shoots better? I'm right there. I don't know. Dialed in shoots so damn good, too. Yes. Those are the three best shooting JJPs. The hard thing, the reason I think, because I've tried to decipher that, and the reason I think I kind of struggle with that between Wonka is the flippers. That's why I can't make a definitive thing. I feel like Wonka is maybe laid out a little better, and I like to shoot Wonka better, but the flipper feel is not there like it is with this game so like i have a hard time like i think that's why i remember wonk out of the pops is a bitch oh walk oh very good you know what i mean there's nothing here that's super unfair no there's nothing uh well then what i don't know man i'll get thrown in them out lanes i mean that's just the out lanes are brutal out lanes are good good for it it is good because you gotta have something to really knock it down because Because they did make a, they did, Pat did make an on-compass shooter for everybody. For everybody. Like, my kids come down here, my wife plays it, and they can hit things. So, you do need something to give you a good, solid drain sometimes. Yeah, and some people, they criticize it, but I don't think it's necessarily a criticism. They say, there's no hard shots on this game. No. They're all open. Yeah. I think some of them are somewhat difficult. Like, that left lock shot, so genius. I love hitting that drop target and then just physically locking the balls. But it's not a stupid shot. It's not a Houdini catapult. Yeah, it's not impossible to hit. Like, you can still hit it. Left ramp works well. Duke Kaboom ramp works well. Right orbit works well.
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    Pops, I don't need four pops. I've said that before. I don't need them. It works on this game, but I don't need them. That's a lot of area up there. I love the saucer up there. I do, too. I don't know why. I love the saucer up there. I would say maybe the loop shot, because of how it has to be designed and come up over into the orbit, Mm-hmm. Maybe that's not as smooth as I would like it to be because a lot of times you'll hit that shot And you don't get it all the way around as easy as you do some other games. Yeah Yeah, and I don't know where it's getting better than the loop on GNR though. Yes It's still and I don't know if you just don't get enough off that flipper sometimes I mean it literally at the point of that ball because there's a lot of gap back there, too Yeah, yeah, you're gonna be able to fall in there's a min with a rubber to stop Yes, and to do that so you gotta work at it But it's a smooth orbit when you get a good hit. When you get a good clean shot off, that's a smooth, fast orbit. Yeah. Because you can loop them. Yes. You can loop them. Yes. But it's not as easy a looper as a lot of games, is what I'm saying. No. I agree with that. So, Greg, you're at an A-, which is very good. I'm higher. I'm an A. I'm a solid A. I know that you're an A+. This is a great shooter. Yeah. You can't compare this shooter to, I mean, there's thousands of pinball machines. This is one of the best. Yeah. It's a really fun, good shooter. It is a good shooter. What about rules and code, though? A lot of people criticizing saying game is too easy. Yes. We've had to defend and fight off that. What does that mean? I don't even know what that means that the game is too easy. I mean, on the service level, people are saying when I hear game is too easy. Yes. That means you can get through it easy. Yes. We're not getting through it easy. I'm not getting through it easy. Well, you did on a stream. Oh, I blew it up, man. But you've been playing the hell out of it, too, for a really long time at home. I was playing like a pro. I deserved to blow that game up. Well, we did it with Hoop T. Oh, so listen. So anybody that wants to go, well, it's easy, Zach. You blew it up. Well, we blew up fucking Houdini here, both of us at one time. And I don't think anybody would ever say the Houdini. I don't mind matching this with Houdini. No, it just sort of, we played the hell out of that game and we knew it. But I still haven't got to the wizard mode. We are performers, baby. Every time that camera turns on, we're going to bring it or a game. But I have not got through that wizard mode. I can see where they're saying the rules and code aren't depth-wise as much as some of the newer pens. I think that's true. Yes. I don't know if it's a problem though. No, I don't think so either because... It's not monsters. No, it's definitely not. It's not monsters. No. But like I said in that video that I did when I talk about the spinning disc and everything, I like that. That gives a little side depth to it. It's not just running through modes. The fact that you need that wheel to land on something. And then it gives you a little bit of strategy. We were talking about that because some of the things like if you wanted to use like hold bonus X or you wanted something like that on there, then it gives you something to work towards before you start in a multi-ball or something. It gives you a little strategy to work behind it, and it's not easy because you might be on something You might think you're gonna hit that shot, and then you accidentally hit you crazy ball Yeah, and now it changed shit now girls my extra ball or something so I like that But I think that the thing that I'm missing a why that I couldn't give it a higher rating here to be plus Yes, a B plus which is not bad like it because it's fun. It's a fun rule set and it's not It's it's not easy, but it's not overly hard Hard it's exactly what Joe and them explain like it's like a bally 90s bally william on steroids Yeah, the second day I had shadow I got to final battle and about beat it I was one switch away from hitting a loop and I would have beat shadow and people love shadow what I like about this Code you're to be plus I Would have been at a B plus mm-hmm. I would have been maybe even at a B Mm-hmm if because of that depth because this is you know, the theme is really important to me This is a great theme for me, and I want to keep it forever And I do worry about you know if I did blow it up I only got halfway through it yeah But I do so it would have been a be the thing that makes it an a- for me Yeah, I'm telling you the reason it makes an a- trigger is because there are so many clever Different ways that I love code wise from Joe Katz I just I love what he's doing with that wheel as you alluded to I love things that are unique novel. They're new.
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    Saving Forky and rescuing Forky, to me, it's embarrassing that no other pinball machine has done that. It's simple, but it's genius. It's a three-shot combo, but if you miss one shot, there's no stern save time grace period here. You miss a shot, you start over. Alright, so rescue Forky is lit. I'm ready. I'm going to have to have one of those. I'm ready to see it. So you're going to hit left ramp, straight to Duke the Boom, straight to Scoop. Yep. All right, I'm ready. I mean, I'm going to try. They're right here.
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    There's one. There's two. Here's where I always die. Under pressure. So now if I start 4K again, there's going to be a four-sequence shot. Dude, Frank Mack's coming in here with bits.
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    Start over. I love that. Yes. And then once you beat that, then you try four in a row, five in a row, etc. So stuff like that, right? Stuff like the skill shot. That skill shot, I'll give it back to Pat Lawler again. One of the greatest skill shots in all of pinball. A skill shot that actually requires skill. This is where things, this is streaming, guys. This is one thing. You get three shots and it will auto-plunge you. You can't whitewater this thing, Phil. You can't just baby it. You can't whitewater it. Dennis said shoot the wham. Say none up. So this is your final shot and it's kicking you out. Oh, look at you. God, it feels so good. I love that. And people tearing the game apart because the skill shot's too hard. Anybody that says they don't like the skill shot, I question if I'll ever relate to them at all. The other things. Tasks. I love tasks. Give me the shadow where you got your five little inserts. You get those, you get the wizard mode. This one's got seven. And they're not modes. They're not modes. No, modes really have nothing. Modes will give you enhancements in those seven. But you've got a multi-ball, then you've got a jackpot. You've got a rescue forky. Then you've got looping. Then you've got spinners. I love completing all those because it makes it non-linear. I can focus on which one I want. You pick whichever one you want, however you want to go about it. And then the genius of Joe Katz and the team over there is, I don't remember many games. I'm sure they're out there, Greg. But when the progression in your mode, the mode is not just points, you're chasing points. If you complete a mode and do well in it, they're going to give you a treat. They're going to give you a little perk that you use in your kind of mini wizard mode, which is that multi-ball at Carnival Multi-Ball. Yes. There's all these smart, clever little things that they're doing that make it the same thing in Wonka with the golden tickets and with candy bars collecting. But I'm ranting, but that's why it's an a-minus for me should be a B It should be a B and then I'm not even gonna give it away for you I got through the first part of that wizard mode and it's staged and I am a sucker for staged wizard modes Where it saying hey you on stage one Here what you do Best of luck and then it stop you All right good job Here stage two Best of luck I love it See I guess so this is the thing that I have trouble with in my mind with Because everything that you said makes absolute sense. You know, because you have, what, like 12 carnival games and stuff that are sort of modes, like you said. But you get rewards that play into your carnival multi-ball and stuff. Yeah, so those are like again modes. They're differentiated. You know you got like there's nothing special about those modes Oh, no But when you go into like like Ferris wheels and you get into there and then that diverter goes over So now you can hit that ramp three times your left around and then it'll the diverter will switch and now you've got shots over Here so some of that is actually really impact it. It's just something keeps the combos There's actual decent amount of debt to this Yeah code when you really think about what goes on and what Joe did like you said with with with the tasks that you have And the separation of for key like everything you made makes perfect sense, but something about it doesn't Seem real deep no and it is it's not what a lot of competitive players your top 2% of The best players in the world top 2% They're gonna struggle because they're gonna get through this game. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true And they're talking about there's not all of these risk-reward options in there where you can get your multiplier jacked to 40x, and then you pull in this little exploit. I don't go there either. If you really think about it, and I could be completely wrong, you eliminate the multipliers and all these bonus things. Now, I guess you're collecting fossils and stuff in Jurassic Park and some stuff like that that you can do, but does anybody really go after that? I mean, unless you're a competitive player. Yeah, a competitive player. But a non-competitive player, what are you trying to do? I'm trying to get through a map. You're trying to get through the map, exactly. And you're trying to get through the T-Rex. Visitor center and all that. So basically, you have sort of two sets of tasks. And Jurassic Park is very linear in that aspect because you've got one of two paths. I mean, you can change which path, so whether you want to go on the outside or not, but you're going to go on that outside path to make it short. My point is, for those of you who are hearing that this game is too easy, for 90% of the people who play pinball regularly, it's not too easy. No. There are a percentage of you. Yeah, you're going to get through it. But my argument, Greg, is always this. If this is too easy for you, you're not allowed to like Medieval Madness. No. You're not allowed to like Attack on the Moon. You're not allowed to like Shadow. You're not allowed to like it. And stop saying it's price. No. Price has nothing to do with what you're arguing. Well, that's true because. So you cannot argue price. What's easy for the price? Well, no. Because you still can't like these games. That's a separate issue. Completely separate. So you cannot say, yeah, but for the price. No. You can't like any of those games. It's exactly what your argument then needs to be it's too It's not deep enough for the more the right exactly you can't say that it's not deep or it's not fun Still can't like totem. No. No, so can't like those some of those games are why I don't like those games No, B plus and a minus. It's pretty good score toys and innovation Your solid Greg bone be yeah toys and innovation, you know where I'm at I'm a C plus Yeah, oh, I don't know I'll go here. So this is the downside for me on this game. Mm-hmm. I
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    Love the way it shoots. Mm-hmm. I love the coat. I love lighting. I love the animation. I love you. I love all of it But is there any? Crazy awesome toy. No, no for me. There's just not no I mean an innovation. I didn't see Jersey Jack
    36:12
    Step it up in innovations time around. No sure. They're still more innovative than most of the manufacturers out there but I expect a little more from Jersey Jack. I want to see them do something a little bit different. And, you know, it's cliche at this point, but it is true. It is Toy Story, and it doesn't have any big toys. It's got a big LCD monitor I think is visually pretty stunning. I like that. I like it too because it's for my, I have a very easy time, like when I get into the carnival games or wheel spins. It's so much, I like it. I won't say that I would take it in the place of mechanical features or toys, but I do very much like it there. Yeah, yeah. Give me it over a static mold. Oh, 100%. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, definitely. But Duke Caboom Ramp is damn cool. Yeah. I don't know if it's a toy. The Bashing Gabby Gabby. Oh, dude, that's a toy. Not Bashing. I'm talking about the ramp. The ramp is a toy. I like it. But that's the best toy in this whole game. Yes. Besides that, to me, there's nothing. No. You get the Gabby Gabby's a troll. Whatever. It's been done before.
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    You're spinning discs, technically. Okay, I've seen it. Yeah. Oh, that's what I'm saying. I expect more from Jersey Jack Pinball. That's why it's a C plus for me. Yeah. And it's Toy Story. It's a theme that I just want everything for this thing. I went with a B. I technically probably should have been a hair lower in that category, but I still really enjoy that Duke Caboom ramp. I enjoy the smoothness of it. I know that you think that this is the stupidest thing in the world, and I get hooked on weird shit, but I still love that they power that flipper up when you go over that rollover or whatever to be able to hit that new kaboom ramp, and that that gives you that opportunity. That is innovative. It is innovative, and I loved hearing Pat talk about that. He loved hearing himself talk. He loved that. Yeah, and they have a whole separate set of, honestly, Tiki Party people get mad at it. I don't think it's that great. I still kind of enjoy it, but it's still neat to have that in there It's still neat that because you know like you take you take some time you take something like that iPad It doesn't seem that impressive. It's like oh an iPad like a monitor like that's so cheap, but you take having to Completely code and run everything else that runs on that iPad separate from your other screen because I think that they had to up the entire processing power and everything of the game Oh, well me do it But to be able to run that screen and run, so that's kind of innovative that they're able to pull something in that massive. That Tiki multiball is gimmicky to me. And the multiball after is cool. The lighting and everything is cool. No, but I'm just saying that the iPad as a whole, there is some neat stuff to be done with that. And if they did need to upgrade their processing power and upgrade some of the stuff in there to be able to handle that, that is kind of innovative. But it's things that people don't recognize because it's missing toys. And look, a lot of this stuff, their innovations are still above and beyond other manufacturers. But for me, that's what we're... No, I don't... Like I said, I can't knock anybody... A lot of people are complaining about the sound of this game. It sounds like a slot machine. Music and call-outs. On this, we're pretty close. You're at a B. I'm at a B+. So we're solid Bs. We're not angry at it. We think it's solid. We don't think it's the greatest sound package. We don't think it's... Here's the thing. For me, I love it. I love that they have the Randy Newman overture. The song, There You Go to Friend of Mine.
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    This may be... There's some music in it that I think is bad. There's like some carousel-y stuff that I think is just too slow for pinball. It makes sense to the theming. I don't care for it. What saves it from being a C for me, Greg?
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    You have Tim Allen doing custom call-outs. Even Tom Hanks, brother. Jim Hanks. There's no sign of intelligent life in here. If we complain over and over that we want the actual actors, not bubbly bobo's, then we've got to give them credit when it happens, and they did a good job. Yeah. I agree. The music gets a little repetitive. The call-outs are fantastic, though. Like you said, I don't mind some of the slot machines. I don't mind them either. It doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother me on Wonka. You hear that spinner. I'm like, it's a ding just like an EM. Yeah. I love that. I do, too. It's kind of nostalgic and fun and gives an old-school feel to it all. I don't mind that. I don't get what they're saying. Like I said, it's not as bad as some pens, like let's say Spider-Man Vault. There's nothing that gets on my nerves when I'm playing it. No. Judge Dredd got on my nerves. That's why I had to sell it. It got on my nerves. I couldn't do it again. That was bad. And this one doesn't. It's still just, I don't know. Give me these sounds over Batman 66 all day long, personally, for me.
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    Smoke a jazz cigarette with them. That does get a little repetitive too, but still not. Does the display and animation, JP to win, does any of that get... Yeah, I thought JP did great. So much so that you're at a solid A. Yeah, because I thought he did really good. It's informative, everything he put up there. It's beautiful. Yeah, he did great with everything that goes on in there. I'm just talking about the video assets that they pulled. I thought a lot of video assets happened to do two screens too. And I know that there's no Woody's on there actually talking and saying. I know that it's not per se said that call outs are a little separate video of assets from the film Yes, they do have that but the assets still are fantastic to have Visually on there and then what JP was able to create around it was fantastic. Yeah, I'm gonna name minus Oh, okay. I might solid solid to the only reason that I'm not giving JJP an a here. Mm-hmm I want more assets. Yeah, I'm an asset whore Yeah, give me the I want the whole damn film playing in the background the whole time Like ass or and like you're saying that audio there's no call outs that are synced up with that and they do that for a reason Yeah, but now I want longer sequences It doesn't kill it for me that they're not doing like that That's not synced up and you're not having that the call outs are separate like I want to be fine with that I want to be in the antique shop more. I want Benson. I want forky talking more Yeah, I want the walk from with forky and been woody on that road at night. Yeah, I want all of that I want a bunny and I want the other one that I want more some of it that stands out to me is obviously like when You go into carousel multi-ball that image of them at the carousel and it's fantastic Like that's beautiful You need that like actually infer with the key multi-ball when they're with teeth went in front of the teeth the pinball moments They do good with yes But I like I'm like you like I want the in-between Stuff a lot of stuff going on if I hit for key or something more like I want if I'm playing a pinball machine based on a movie, there's a reason I want to own that pinball machine is because I like that movie. Oh, really? Give me that stuff. Jurassic Park? I mean... Oh, I'm sorry, Greg. Well, your Jurassic Park might have different... Don't get me started on Jurassic Park.
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    Here's my thing. Here's my plea to Jersey Jack Pinball. If you can't put those assets in there because it's a licensing thing, that sucks. I'm sorry. Yeah. If this is a Joe Cass thing, Joe, if this is your preference not to do that, you're my friend, but you're wrong. You're just wrong. You need more. You've got to put at least four times more. If that's a choice, then that really is upsetting. You don't want to get stuff to where it's layered on top of each other and it's getting jumbled up, but you do need more. No, but do just like Big Lebowski does. Stop the ball and, hey, man. He does the cool call-outs. You get the cool visuals of John Goodman beating the shit out of that car. You know what it feels like to get knee-ass Larry? Yes. That is what pulls me in. That's what creates moments. That's what creates that integration. And that does create moments. It's not just lighting. It's not just what you have particularly per se within a code. Sometimes it's literally just stopping the ball and allowing a quick scene to play or to do something. It's pulling me back to the memory I have of this intellectual property. You don't want to kill the flow, but you want to be able to make that property resonate with what you know about the film and the assets. So true. That's what you want. Back to what you love. Yes. So for JP to win, I'm sorry, but I'm marking you and the animation team based on something maybe out of your control. Yeah. But let's just have it be people. But your animations were fantastic, dude. They're A-plus stuff. They always are. But I'm going to be a little bit harsher sometimes on this kind of stuff. I need more assets. I don't blame you. You're lucky I didn't do a B-plus. all right what about the theme hmm oh you ooh this was your lowest score there yeah you're still in the b yeah b minus minus for the theme like i like toy story i like it a lot but i'm not like but this is not toy story no this is toy store four so and i'm at i'm an a minus you want to know why i do know why because this is toy story yeah it's still toy story but not just that you love the film because I love I start to remember people can say whatever the fuck they want about you being so that you bullshit I love this I remember when the movie came out yeah how much you love this movie you love the conclusion to the whole the whole franchise in general everything between yes to the antagonist into the bell yes everything like about how much you truly love that you love the forky character I do love the forky character yeah you guys are So I can't knock you for that personal opinion Yeah, but it's not I was B- because it's not Toy Story would I have loved it to have been Toy Story 1 through 4 Hands down. Yeah Yeah, and then absolutely it's not no it's not and that's why it's not a so it's not a plus You guys an a- because of this still Toy Story. You can't tell me it's not yeah It might not be the most preferred but Toy Story 4 is maybe one of the greatest films. It's still greatness. But it still feels like Toy Story 2. When people thought about that, you got up there because we talked about that about people, and then we got more time. It still feels like Toy Story. You feel it. If Buzz is telling you to hit the left ramp, that doesn't mean he's coming from Toy Story 1 or 2. It might not be the most recognizable for you in the film franchise, but it still feels very much Toy Story. So that's one of the things that keeps me excited about it. And my argument would be, for those that are complaining about Toy Story 4, I would think if you don't like that theme, I think the integration of what they did stylistically and thematically is actually the problem. Focusing on those carnival games or focusing on, there's plenty in Toy Story 4 that you can make a pinball machine out of that really focuses on Toy Story 4. Yes, yes. But they chose not to. That's more of that issue. That is not a Toy Story 4 problem. You know, I'm looking at, you know what's something cool? You'll love this because you're a film head too. did you know what's significant about the cobwebs that are animated in the film toy story 4 now so cool if you guys don't know this was it just the way they move this they're actually animated differently those cobwebs than any of the rest of the animation in the whole film and that's because they took a am i really boring you this is fun you're gonna your eyes are gonna get big they took ai artificially uh intelligence spiders from a different film it's a program they put spiders into the virtual scene of Toy Story 4 and let them damn things weave the webs by themselves. That's pretty neat. Dude, that's really neat. I do like that. Yeah, that is really cool, isn't it? It's here to be on, though. I know, me too. I wonder if I'll ever have you as an AI, like a friend. Probably. You know what kind of robot I need?
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    One that I get a real big buzz and I give a hard whoopee to. That's your mom. Hell yeah. I knew that was coming. I'm so sorry. Duke to boo. Oh, no.
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    Oh, my God. I meant to put it in the bed. Yes, I, Canada. But you know he misses a lot. Still feels the same. Oh, that's so bad.
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    Shit. I can't wait to go. Shit. As long as it's warm, I don't care. Shut up. Enjoying buildings. Speaking of enjoying things, enjoy buildings. so we're on the enjoyability so we were both even on this one A minuses oh yeah because it's fun it is fun and again I don't care what you say about the lack of toys I don't care about those things that does not necessarily have to fully impact now sometimes toys are good sometimes toys are bad let's just take oh don't throw it I knew where you were going there I don't want to say them other games or say things. Let's say Champion Pub, for instance. Yes, there we go. Champion Pub has got a lot of toys. A lot of shit. It's packed. It's got 180 ramps. It got a testicle bag in the back that you hit It a jump rope Yeah and it just okay with all those poison mechs Sorry Dwight Yes But okay Dwight here the savior You go to Star Wars especially a pro has basically nothing in it And that's where I told somebody online arguing one time. You arguing with somebody online? I said, this is when I stopped running my mouth about a game being empty or a game not having things that I, Nick Toys and Max Airwear because I had to eat crow with Star Wars because I said the exact same thing. I was like, Star Wars is fair. We gave it a low shit rating at first. We're like, there's nothing in this game. Or people might say Stranger Things. Stranger Things is the exact same thing. And that's why people didn't want to buy it. They literally said, there's nothing in this game. It's fair. Yeah. They didn't encompass Stranger Things of what it was. Now you look at where both those games are. I think it's just the evolution of a pinball player and the type of collectors we are because we are very much, we play these games. Yes. We do play these games. Yes. And if number one, and it shows in our weighted grades, Greg, number one and number two together. Yes. Shots and rules. Yes. And enjoyability. Yes. Enjoyability doesn't have to come from them. No. Doesn't have to. We want it to. Believe me. And my point of that opening not wanting to slam other games was like you said, Champions Puck. There are games that are not that fun that are full of toys and mechs. Yeah. But there's games that also cannot have that. look Wizard of Oz let's call it as it is Wizard of Oz is loaded that game shoots like crap I don't like it sorry Joe I love Joe Balser to death but I don't like the way it shoots either like I can't ever get into that game I get into it because I want the Toys and Mechs but then I get like I'm playing Wizard of Oz again but then I'm like oh it's shiny and then I'm like oh it's really deep so there's always every pin's got its own little thing that saves it. I just don't think that you can necessarily just shit on a pen because of the lack thereof. Now, again, I don't think either one of us would say that we don't want toys in a Toy Story pen. We don't want to see more innovation. I think we made that clear. I want Andy's room. Yes. I want everything. I would still love a claw machine to pick up little aliens. Yes. But it doesn't mean that we can't, by default, not like what they have. Exactly. And that's the point that I'm getting to. You know what? We're really good at reviewing pinball machines. We are. We're fair. This is logic. This is good stuff. And you can cut this if you want to because I'll get into it. Oh, my gosh. If you want to talk about fucking price because that gets into the… We got to. You talk about price about this game. Well, real quick, I'll give you the layup there. When this game was announced, Jersey Jack had a price increase. They went on the LE models from $11,000, which was right before there was about $10,000. It keeps bumping to $12,000. And what really smacked people in the face was a collector's edition is no longer as limited because they doubled the output of how many units. But then they took a $12,500 collector's unit with 500 units. They blew it up to 1,000 units at $15,000. Yes. $15,000. And there's not a lot of differences between the two. You get a glitter play field. You get mirror back glass. It's the shit that I love and I'm going to own. But you don't get as much. Yes. So people are going to complain about that, Greg. $15,000 is a lot of money. It's a ton of money. $12,000 is a lot of money. It's a ton of money. So what are you going to say? What do you mean? So.
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    Value. Is there value? There's no value. So to me, you take a lot of things in your life, and value is what, again, this is going to be one of those things where people hear it, but people aren't going to listen to what I'm saying. I don't know why you got to do it in front of the kid with the F-ing. All you got to do is say earmuffs to him. Earmuffs. And he can say, fuck, shit, bitch, whatever you want. Cock. Balls. Okay, I'm just proving a point. You don't have to celebrate it, Frank. They're all guilty of it. There is a whole difference. There is a big difference between value versus cost or what is into a game or what's in it versus collectability or so forth. Because you take an action figure. Let's particularly say some Star Wars action figures that are rare. That is still a fucking piece of plastic. So you can tell me that you spend $25,000 on one mint figure. Where's the value? The value is only in its collectability. So you take something like this that we still don't know where the, like, listen. So let me finish this thought first. Oh, you are on it. You are on it. Get it, boy. Because I get it. Get it. So you can't say that there can't be value in a pen that's fun to shoot or that's family friendly or something like that. You can't say that value cannot, fun cannot be determined by value. Value cannot be determined by fun. You can't say that. The old Zach Sharp thing. Yes. You cannot say that at all. because listen you go wear something like fucking gucci shoes or you buy a fucking four thousand dollar jacket or a ten thousand dollar rolex watch there is no fucking value in that there is not the value you know where the value is is the way that it makes you feel that's right the way that it makes you look to others yes it's a value to you because it makes you feel good it makes you feel more makes you feel more inclusive to a certain crowd or whatever it does to you that's where the value of those shoes come from i have a fucking 45 pair of fucking white Nike shoes that you really were getting from I walk in those fuckers comfortable there's a ton of value in those shoes you know what there's not $4,000 Gucci loafers I bet yours are my kind just like that's what I'm saying that you find value in what you find it in it's hard there's a lot of overpriced shit in this world and I'm gonna say that's not okay so let me get in this because this is really gonna fuck everybody's minds up and this is why he needs to drink this yes because it comes with that anybody that I talk to you dummy friends that I try to get in the pinball I've had I had a physician reach out to me one time friend and he has a fucking penthouse in Chicago yeah he's got he's got a ton of money and he wanted a pinball game okay he was like how much do they cost and I was like well you know he's like one as cheap as I can I was like I can maybe get you a lethal weapon or something he was like what's that cost I said you know real nice one like three grand this was a little bit ago he's like are you kidding me he was like that is ridiculously expensive yeah and I've I got, like, I had, my old boss had a lot of money. He's a big Led Zeppelin fan. Lots of money. When I told him what a Led Zeppelin cost, he said, no. I'd rather spend my money on something I don't find value in. Over a million dollar home. Yeah, same buddy with Rush. Big music fan. He's setting a stage up in his basement, all this stuff. Will not buy Rush. Like, no, because he's like, that's insane. That's an insane amount of money for a Rush Pro. That's it. And I, you know. But then you've got you, who's the biggest tie-dye ever, and you've got over $100,000 in pinball machines. Yes, but are we truly the crazy ones? We're talking about somebody else being crazy at this crazy price that they're paying for Toy Story or that the manufacturers, again, we don't know how much assets cost. We don't know what it is. A lot of times in business, you charge what keeps your doors open. So we can't say that that's astronomically crazy. I think that they're trying to make more money here. I'm not lying. I mean, come on. No, you want to, but again, that might sustain them through the future and keep their doors open, keep employees. It's a decision they have to make. Exactly, and that's their decision. Again, I fully believe that if you do not want to buy it or it's overpriced, we don't buy the thing. You just don't buy it. And that's when it hurts them. That's when we hear the crying, though, because they want it. Yes, they want it, but they don't want to pay the price. They can't justify it. Yes, but truly, when a lot of outside pinball people look at that and they say, there's not value in that. I'd rather spend my money into something else. That's a toy, and you're going to pay six grand brand new for that? Are we all crazy? Because they can all sit there and say, everybody in the pinball, you're crazy. That's no value in that to me. There's no value. I don't know a person that doesn't spend on things that aren't valid. Like, you go to a restaurant and you spend $50, $60 on a steak. To me, there is zero value because you shit it out. Well, not only that, but I've had some decent $25 steaks that are not. Me and Chelsea have talked about this. Again, you're paying more. It doesn't cost that much money. No, you're paying more for the ambiance, just like you could play for fun. The experience. So so to experience Toy Story 4 it's something that means something to you. Yes. Yes Because some people take trips and for me, I love trips and I pay good money to go on trips Yes, because they are important to me and their memories and stuff like that. But when I get home, I have nothing tangible No, no, that would be my orgy. Oh anything tangible memories, but you still want to go back the next day You're like a week a week back to work and you're like I want to go back on that fucking $6,000 trip and we can still play these. Yes, we can play these for decades So value is what you find it and listen, I understand just just to tell you just to tell people I understand why you're frustrated Because I don't like rising prices. No, I do not like right you like you said I'm a pietist I do not make the rising prices. I do not but it's just sort of the shit world that we live in right now I don't want to be priced out this hobby just like none of you So I understand your frustration with that but just don't spin it in a way and get so mad about it Don't try to hurt somebody else because they like something because there's a lot of hobbies right now There's a lot of things going on whether you get in the movie props you give me anything Are collecting any like people are being priced out of yeah? So and there's always gonna be people with more money And if we you know it's almost one of those things that we should have kept the fucking hobby a secret to a sense Because here we are becoming one of those collectors. Yeah
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    It's the only argument you can make against it because otherwise there's always gonna be people with money that are gonna be willing to buy a fifteen thousand dollar game just like babies and old people old people die babies are born in with the old and with the new and now whatever you know what i'm talking just know i don't like it but it's also like stop saying that there's not necessarily value in it because there there is value it just might not be your value your value because i like to give a hell of a lot more than what i thought i would you do and i didn't think you would like this and i just find value That my freakin kid even with her little broken pinky and cast on her hand is that her plan if she hasn't played pinball forever Yeah, and she's loving it. Can we talk about bringing in people like it does it brings in? Oh, yeah, I was over at Joel's house The the other night, you know, he was like, do you go because I went out to the car He was like my wife came down here and played. Yeah, he said you bring me new games extreme Yeah, she didn't do that And who was it that was telling me that there I saw something online or something where the top some of some at the line Like it's still just it's making hand over fist and a lot of routes and did you get ordinary say on his thing? He was like people forget because I thought there was a good point I don't always agree with him, but he made a good point that people still really forget that these were a commercial Yeah, I mean, yeah, this was a commercial device first and for that's the other point I want to make to you talk about value if if you want to be in pinball and you want to play Toy Story But you do you either don't see the value in $12,000 to buy or you can't afford something like that Yeah, it's a dollar to play go find one. You can still you can still be part of the group that likes Toy Story Yeah, he's playing on location. There's nothing wrong with that. There's just a lot of shit I can't afford in the world and it upsets me Yeah, and we but the difference is for well actually, but we might all be in the same position with food before long I really want to eat. Yeah, I ain't affordin it right now
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    So, you know I'm saying like things are going up man's labor cost there, you know, like a double cheeseburger at McDonald's ain't a dollar no more? Yeah, that's what I heard. That's a crack right there. You know what I'm saying, though. To cry and shake. You find value in something yourself. It does not have to be what it's jam-packed full of. Have you been chasing people off your yard lately? Or what? Why?
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    Just a lot of frustration. Pinto! Chelsea, help this man out! Oh, yeah. Hey, I'm nice and loose. I got my Duke Caboom. All right, Greg, so what does that mean for all of the grades together? We're at the same thing. We're both at bone B pluses. Bone B plus. I think it's a B plus pin. It's easily a B plus pin. There's some points of this that are easily an A. There's some points that are easily a C. Makes sense to me. It becomes a B plus. And I think that you would have easily had an A plus. With the way it shoots and everything, I think that if you would have been able to take and you would have been able to focus on those original ones, I think you would have easily elevated to an A or A plus. But it's still a fun game. It literally just a little bit higher than you. I'm a three point five three You're at a three point three nine Yeah, and for everybody complaining that they didn't get what they wanted that they want I guess I didn't realize how many Toy Story fans were out there. Look look who it is
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    Losing whatever take it see what I'm saying are we the stupid ones? Where can they follow? I don't know if they need to follow us anymore. Whoo You're fired up if you guys haven't subscribed hit that down below be a pal be a friend You got a friend to me. I got a friend in Greg bone. Yeah, whether he's crotchety in the old what are we gonna do next maybe a top ten list maybe uh, Maybe a this or that cool. I like this. Do you need to hate this or that? Oh, yeah, we need to review. We need to review rush. Oh we do. I need a little more time on it You do. Yeah, that's what's holding us up this time. Not me mean more certified boner game. I think on that one You've been loving that one. I need a little bit more time on that. Medieval Madness, we've got to do. Halloween's coming soon. Yes. Review's coming soon for Halloween. We've got a lot of fun things coming. Some promo videos. Maybe we'll shoot our own film. How about that? Would you be down? I've been trying to get you to. Stay tuned. Don't tease these people. Stay tuned. You hit it off with a bumper knife straight down the metal.
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    You had a fling with a fling shot. You're rolling out the alley dog. God, you drug that fucking thing out. You? Drunk it out with some dumb shit off the first? I didn't run anything out. We'll re-watch it back. Yeah, I will.
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    I'm having a hard time standing in frame. That's so funny. I'm having a hard time sitting on a stool.
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    Oh, now I know how your mom feels sitting on hard wood. That's pretty good. Just gets warmed up. That wasn't bad.
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    Am I lit okay? Yeah, you're lit good. That's all that matters. Anxiety. You gotta go in like a turbo, but why are you so fucking anxious? I'm always anxious. I know, damn. What is up with you today? Are you getting boogers? Nope. You didn't even look! I looked in the camera. I know. Why? What the hell is that? Playing with the fucking ball. Get out of here! You missed it! I missed it! Did you just say that? Yeah, because it scares it. Look at it. No.
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    Where's that? Where's your dog at? Is your dog still alive? Do you realize cats aren't like dogs? Yeah, it listens. No, it doesn't. It wants to stay back. Get upstairs. You're traumatizing that pussy.
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    I'm going to be the first one. crack it's that game it wasn't the 14 lines of coke we did before this video I don't think either one of us would do good on cocaine maybe I would it might be like Ritalin and slow me the fuck down you I can't start You're vocally a little soft. Am I not projecting? Yeah. You're not.
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    I think I'm using radio voice. You're using like close mic podcast voice. Yeah, I was going to say I'm used to.
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    Bye! Fucking like 2 p.m. What are you doing still sleeping? It is late. Take out the trash. back down here with that fucking ball again this is so dumb it works no it doesn't