Hey everybody, thanks for listening, with your ears, to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast with Drew and Kate. Welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, episode number 25. the only pinball podcast offering full refunds for defective episodes starting tomorrow. Drew, my counterpart is here today. Drew, how you doing, brother? I'm feeling great. I'm feeling good, too. Feel good? I feel good. My name's Ian, by the way. This is Ian. I am Drew. What are you drinking today, sir? We're already starting off good, guys. Drew, I am drinking Appleton Estate Rum. It tastes so good. I got a little Coke in there, a little lime, Cuba Libre, if you will. How about you? We're doing Jamo Ginger in the lime. So a little Jameson, a little ginger ale, some Canadia Dry, eh? Some Canadia Dry. And Canada Dry. Yeah. Totally. I know. Canadia. Oh, Canadia. We're not doing that today. Oh, it's so good. So good. uh poor man's pinball podcast personal pinball news drew kick us off brother oh man so much going on this week uh i finally got laser q inserted in the house after all these weeks of waiting i know we talked about a little bit last week um just a quick shout out to tom mixick he's the guy who sold it to me tommy and tom uh has not been listening to the show and he said you're gonna be talking about my game i said yeah i'm gonna talk about your game i said why don't you come so listen so tom if you're out there we're talking about your game right now hey tom so tom really cool guy he uh has a couple games in his collection and he took meticulous care of these things which i thought was great what other games does he have do you know uh he has a flash flash gordon nope no flash flash yep stern flash and then Steve Ritchie's first game so that's uh Pretty damn awesome. I like that game. I want to buy one. I thought there was one for sale in our area. He might have been the guy that scooped it up, that bastard. Sorry, buddy. But, yeah, dude, that game looked awesome. Again, one of those games that I want to play pretty badly, and I'm sure I know somebody that does have one. Now I know two people. There you go. So, yeah, he has that, and then he had Jokers, which is the 1988 Williams System 11 game, which coincidentally was the first game i ever looked at or was going to purchase before my last action that's the blue and white one yep yeah so you know we're close yeah i was close ended up passing on it what was it 1200 i think at the time yeah it was less than 15 for sure yeah i know the first one you were looking at to pop your cherry you didn't want to go too big no i was i was going cheap i didn't know what i was getting into yeah luckily that guy didn't answer drew's emails otherwise drew would have been out of this hobby quickly yeah they broke down jokers jokers it is a joke bunch of jokers what's the matter with you guys uh but this guy he uh tom he bulletproof the game he fireproof the game interesting story how do you fireproof a game so these early williams games um i won't bore you too much of the details but the they're called the rectifiers they um they didn't fuse them so these games were notorious for if you know if there was a short it would actually start on fire and and the most well yeah the the the wire all fucking smoking yeah i'm i'm being a little dramatic i mean it's not like every game started on fire and it was what it was but well don't you remember when i was trying to restore that space invaders i had a fire yes same thing snap crackle pop the ground wire was hitting the speaker and we had some sparks we had some smoke but at the end of the day yep so so the fix is just yeah you put an inline fuse in these uh couple of wires for these rectifiers but uh but the the funny part of the story is william started putting them in after they made the 1987 game fire oh kind of kind of interesting but that's just something i learned along the way There you go. So I've been doing some cool stuff. So is he into those solid states, Tom? No, he's – yeah, I mean, he only had the three games. And now he has – he says, as he calls it, I have an open slot. So, you know, now he's looking for something else. No, I think he just – he likes tinkering. He's very handy. He's doing all the electrical stuff. So he's pretty well-versed in a lot of this stuff. So he likes fixing these things and making them work again. He'll buy a not working machine and make it good. Yeah. And he would shit when he sees how I color bombed this thing after I got it home. In a good way or a bad way? A good way. A good way. So what I did, he... He shit in my living room and it sucked. He had the entire thing LED'd. all the inserts on this like a lot of those games are all clear well i should say most of them are clear inserts yeah so he just had white leds in all of them and i was like well you know it's a pool game so the pool balls are different colors so i matched the leds with the with the colors of the ball and just did some stuff like that only in the inserts i left all the gi lighting you know the nice white so i was gonna say when i color bomb space invaders drew is not happy no i i didn't like that and i'm i'm i'm usually the one who gets like i was gaudy fun you are the gaudy one you are i learned my lesson i put the regular uh what i put the uh the warm light warm whites hey check out these green leds and i'm like i blame todd tucky i'm glad he's feeling good so i can make fun of him totally ripped him off because i i was i was watching tnt and that's what he did to his uh space invaders i was like fuck it looks good on youtube put it on it blasted green too much green it was green however i did make uh you know the pin side post of the gaudy gi lighting you know sure yeah i made it so oh the what's that thread called this is called like trashy gi yeah it's like the worst gi ever done way to go rainbow puke club yeah rainbow puke i think are you unicorn poop yeah i think i'm part of the unicorn poop rainbow puke club rainbow So, I see it behind it as a learning experience. Now I have 3,000 green LEDs if anyone wants some. Email me at poormanspinball at gmail.com. Well, and this goes to show you about some of that toxic stuff on pin sex. You know, people get all up in your business and you're like, well, it's my game. I can do what I want. And, you know, I had some fun. You know, I made these, you know, and like I said, I didn't go nuts with it. But I just, you know, made it a little colorful, did some stuff. And, you know, I learned about the machine while you're doing it. like we talked about last week. It's kind of cool. So, you know, it can be changed back. Relax, you purists out there. Well, how many color lights did you put in? Well, like I said, every insert I did as a color. I don't know. So how many? I don't know, 25, 30. Holy shit. Yeah, the inserts. Welcome to the rainbow puke club, Drew. Oh, the GI is still white. I don't give a shit what you guys think. I'll post pictures up on our Facebook page. Hey, I can't wait. Then we'll get the LED police out there. Yeah. Because you know they'll come out of the woodwork for that. Hey, a little attention. So, yeah. We love attention here. We do. So I am posting my colored bomb laser cue on Facebook tonight. Bow, bow, bow, wow. That's happening. That's a DJ horn. Moving on. Bow, bow, bow, wow. Sounds like a cat I stepped on once. Don't worry about it. Keep going. We're still recording for some reason. We totally are. A couple more. I'll try to keep it quick. So Dracula, I got this game and I was playing it. And I'll be honest, the first week I was like, I don't think this is a great game. And the reason why was I couldn't get a good solid score on it to save my life. And I'm not a terrible player, you know, so I'm like, what's going on here? And then I realized that the right flipper was a little weak. and you know i just didn't realize it because you know i've never played this game before so i did some research and uh i did my first flipper rebuild on dracula and it went well yep there you go and for some of you guys listening you guys are like oh big fucking deal i do these every week well i haven't done one and now i have and it worked out well god damn studs yeah so anyways I fired this thing up, and I almost broke the glass. It fucking ricocheted around the ramp so fast. Okay, so pretty powerful. Yep. Can you turn that down a bit? No, I'm joking about that. No, this one doesn't have settings on it. Just checking. I don't know. But it was a night and day difference, though, on that one flipper. So it was pretty awesome. So how's it playing now? Oh, now I love the game. Oh, okay. I was a little nervous because I'm like, oh, I spent all this money on this game, and it's not going to stay very long and whatever. Now it's staying for a while because I enjoy it. Cool. I can't wait to play it. I haven't played it yet. Just had to get it up and going. Excited about that. And I haven't played Laser Q either. You haven't invited me. You've been busy, brother. You're a terrible friend. Oh, my God. We went out on Saturday. You remember that? I don't because I drank too much. Still recovering. We all are. We took the wife's out on Saturday. We're good to go. So that's about it. I surpassed 100 plays on Alice Cooper now. So, Charlie, I can still say, great game, man. Having fun with it. I had to do two switch adjustments out of the box. No clear code issues. It's a great game. That's all I got to say about that. It was a nice game. It's awesome. I love that game, man. I can't wait to get more time under it. What kind of scores are you getting, bud? Not good. I haven't been playing that one a ton. 30, 40, 50 million, so I'm getting there. Okay. But, you know, good scores are 100, 150. So we'll see. Chipping away at it. Yeah. You got to find those shots, right? You do. You do. And, you know, this is going to sound stupid too, but it's my podcast, so I can be as stupid as I want. You've never been stupid once on this show. I can't even contain the laughter on that one. so after I was doing all this work on these machines something popped into my head and I never really paid much attention Alice Cooper doesn't have any pop bumpers oh yeah and it was just one of those things that I played this game because you're just so used to having them and some games you don't even think about it but I was like holy crap Charlie you made a game without a pop bumper that's awesome wait Are you sure? It's your game. I suppose you would double-check that one. Isn't that weird, though? A game without a pop bumper. Yeah. Well, I'm trying to think of some that don't have pop bumpers. They're out there, but it's just one of those things. Like I said, you just don't think much about it. Creature from the Black Lagoon have pop bumpers? Yeah. They have the rollovers. Oh, yeah, then there's pop bumpers right after the rollovers. And that's how most games are. A lot of them are hidden. You don't really see them. But in this case, it's just one of those things that being in pinball, you're like, oh, there should be a pop bumper, and there's not. And I don't miss it. World Cup soccer? Top right? I think there's some on the top right. There's a lot of shit going on in there. The right of the goal? Yeah. We're always pretty drunk when we're playing that one. But I don't know. It's real sexy. It's at the local gas station. Email us at poormanspinball at gmail.com. Let us know if World Cup soccer has Papaduke bumpers. yes please do that because we need to know can't look it up yeah google it totally look it up we just want to hear from you so go ahead email us poor man's pinball at gmail.com yeah if it wasn't for my mother we'd have no emails you assholes keep them coming guys keep them coming we love you guys um so yeah that's uh that segment was poor man's pinball podcast personal pinball news You got anything? Yeah, I sold my Monster Bash. I'm looking at it right now. It's going tomorrow. Get some games in. Break it now. I know. We're going to have to. So Monster Bash is going away, huh? Sayonara, baby. It's okay. I'm going to put all that money and throw it in the bank and look at it for a few days and then go, all right, time for a wonka or something stupid. Time to get another game. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. That's cool. I'll sit around and look at it for a bit, but I will be pinning the ball less. Well, my room's getting pretty full, so I'll just buy another one and throw it down here. How's that? There you go. Money bags over here. Money bags. Love it. Well, cool. Next segment. Should we do this? I can't believe we didn't do this last week, guys. Yeah, we missed it. We're sorry, guys. It was funny because I texted Drew as I was listening to our episode. I was like, fuck, we didn't talk about Jurassic Park. Nope. Drew and I, when we interviewed Gar, Gar, by the way, thank you very much for that wonderful interview. Gar Nelson of the Garcade in Menominee Falls, Wisconsin. Phone number. Go visit that dude. Go visit that arcade. It's an awesome arcade. It kicks ass. You know, from four pins to, what, 30? That's crazy. Yeah, and growing. That dude is a pinhead through and through. He's got leagues for adults and for kids. I joined the kid league. It's the only one I can win in. And can we say, I mean, for, yeah, he has 30 pins, and it's such a diverse collection. It's a good collection. Yeah, because it ranges. from ems to current stuff and you know the only thing he doesn't he doesn't have a jjp there yeah yeah you know i get it yeah but that's that's i think i think his distributor that he works for i thought he was going to give him stern deals or whatever sure part of the army but i don't know he might he might have got some spooky in there like yeah so he's he's got everything though it's it's cool yeah it's a cool place to hang out for a few hours and uh spend a day Yep, absolutely. But we played a bunch of Jurassic Park. Yeah. We didn't even do our little review section. No. No. So here it comes. All right, cue the music. Two weeks late. Do we have music? Cue the music. Live organ. Ooh, nice organ. Party! I don't know what I'm going to put in there yet. Our music producer is making it up. I go. Alright, here we go. Jurassic Park. So standing in front of it, I'll just go first. We'll do I forgot how we did it last time, but I like how we did it last time. Let's just do art. Okay. We'll start with art, and then we'll go to shots and layout. Okay. And then we'll go animations. I'm writing this down because Ian's going to forget. Yep. And then we will go overall enjoyability. And then we will do... Shots, layout, animations, overall enjoyability. And then we'll just do, yeah, overall enjoyability. Oh, rules. Yeah, I didn't play that after. Let's not learn any rules. That'll be part of the review. But you know what, though? I could tell right away it's a deep game. Rules aside not knowing all of the rules it going to keep you busy That game will keep you busy well and we probably knew that before it even was revealed just based on who designed it i think that was kind of a safe bet yep so i will say i'll start with art art um still don't like it it was definitely more colorful very colorful the playfield art is great i do like the playfield art. Cabinet art, I still give it two cheese slices. But the play field art is definitely a five cheese slice masterpiece. Really? I love all of those. So you like the play field art that much. I hate the cabinet art. You just hate it. What about the back glass? I hate it. That's part of the cabinet art. I'm lumping those down. I hate it. Give me the black background with the data east the look with the logo. Yeah, a lot of people said that. They're like, if you just put the logo on there again, people are like, oh, it's too plain and stuff. But it pops. People know what it is, right? They know it. What do they say about some of the top companies in the United States that have been around for a while? Nike, Apple, Domino's, all these. You can remove all the words on that, and then you just show the logo. Boom. Yes. You know it's Domino's. You know it's Nike. You know it's Sherwin-Williams. Yes. Here, you know, we have Jurassic Park. Everyone knows that logo, dude. Just go with the logo. That's all I'm saying. How about you, Drew? I'm lukewarm on it. You know, I'm not huge on the art, especially on the newer games, just because, you know, they're not as, quote-unquote, collectible to me as, like, the older stuff because, you know, they're making them now. You can get them, you know, pretty readily, play them everywhere. So you're more of a connoisseur. Yeah, for sure. I like that. That's a good answer. But unlike you, it was colorful, and it looked good. I wouldn't say it was like, oh, this art blew me away. Like Iron Maiden, that art blew me away. Ah, okay. You know, so it was good but not great. I just love the colors. Three cheese slices if you're ever using that scale. All right, well, then I'm going four cheese slices. I've got to dial it back a little bit. It's not a masterpiece. With that being said, the play field was practical because of how the shots are laid out with the art. And the play field was better. I would have to agree. So you're going three. I'm going four. Yep. Why are you writing this down? Does this matter? I don't know why. We're going to download this on our YouTube video. What I'm going to do is I'm going to add them and then give an average. And then divide it by six dairy cows. And then remember. Yeah, remember? Bro, this is a system. It's concrete. Everyone knows it. I mean, what kind of idiots would, like, review something and then put it on a YouTube video and then keep track of this and then bring it up at a later date? I mean, really? We love you, Zach. All right, so what's the next one? I already forgot. See, that's why I wrote it down. I knew this was going to happen. Shots and layout. Oh, man. seriously on a why don't you go first okay this one's gonna be a real A B C D can't do it bro I have my thing one two three four five cheese slices no you can just you can just make up however you want you can do whatever it's our show we are so unorganized seven cheese slices but awesome yeah I know it's like we're on a scale of one to five cheese slices I give it seven you know that's what makes it beautiful it is it doesn't matter about the rating I know it's all about I know it's all about the words that come out of our mouth. So go ahead. Yeah, because that's what people are here for. They're not here for the cheese slices, bro. Sorry to cut it out, but here we go. Shots and layout. Five cheese slices. I mean, this thing, it's packed. It is a player's game. It is approachable for newbies because there's a couple of easy shots and then there's a couple of really tough shots and then there's kind of everything in between. so there's what they say there's 11 or 12 shots on this play field i mean it is it's intense the amount of shots that are there yeah there's a ton of them and the way that it's laid out that um that upper right um loop yeah gate uh yeah the one-way gates going kind of up the middle of that loop and then the ramp i mean that thing is just it's awesome so you know a plus five cheese slices six dairy cows however you want however you want however you want to slice it um this is this is bad pun day dad jokes we switch from dad jokes to bad puns anyway you slice yeah so not the dairy cows though that's that's you know that's some good scores there i kept saying like i might not you know i probably won't buy this because you know it's going to be everywhere but then after we played it we said holy shit would this thing be great in your house like right it yeah it's so fun so many shots i shots and layout is yeah it's top notch way to go keith yeah keith you did a good job uh you know my buddy eric from episode four he texted us because he wants to get a jurassic park and he asked me about the shots And I said, well, this is a game definitely geared, in my opinion, to the home owner. Yep. This is a home game. You're going to explore it many times. You're going to play it for hours. There's so many shots. There's so many. And to me personally, I found it overwhelming. I thought there was almost too much. I would have done, I thought it would have been better with less shots, as crazy as that sounds. Maybe a shot or two less. No, it doesn't. I said that about Alice Cooper. I don't want to say it's like Houdini tight, but there are shots there that are tougher than anything in Houdini, especially that missile shot when you're going past the pop bumpers, that long-ass shot, dude. It's probably one of the tightest Stern games. Oh, dude, I was getting a little frustrated, and I bricked a lot. It was a brickasaurus. I didn't find the shot. so a bricasaurus it was bad pun number two mark it down but i i guess i'd give it i give it four cheese slices it's there's a lot that'll keep you busy for a long long time my only thing is i wish i wish we would have dialed it back just a little bit not a lot just just a little bit i think he was at perfection and then he added another shot or something you know but that's my own personal Sure, but once again, for somebody who never plays pinball or plays very little pinball, you would probably walk up to that thing and say, this is fun, right? You would walk up to it and look at it and be like, holy shit, this is awesome. However, after game five, they're going to be like, oh, fuck me. I don't know what the hell I'm doing. That's what I'm asking. Do you think a newbie would get really frustrated with that? I think so. Okay. I was getting frustrated. Okay, fair enough. You know, someone like Keith Elwin When he designs these games It's like, every shot's makeable Yeah, for fucking Keith Elwin I know You designed it, bro And you are Keith Elwin Zach Sharp, if you're listening You need to tell Keith He can't say stuff like that Yeah, Keith Elwin You know what Keith Elwin needs to do Keith Elwin needs to hire me Some schlub to play the games He's going to be like Hey, why don't you try to make that shot See if it's makeable Yep Doink Nope, we got to rework that one no i get it okay i give her i give her four baby uh still really good though sure better i i think it's better than iron maiden for sure shots yeah and that was my favorite shooting game okay no i i agree too um other than the you know the the loop setup in the middle on iron maiden i like a little better but um overall yeah i think much better not much better but better shots and and more fun but uh rules so you know like ian said earlier we we only played a handful of games so we don't you know know a ton about the rules but the little bit i learned about chaos multiball and you know it's the ins there's a lot of inserts so it does a good job of telling you where to go and then with the screen they they did a good job integrating the pinball stuff into it i heard shoot for chaos yeah that's so so the beginners yes yes and when they you know when games integrate that sound and the lcd and the inserts all together you know if you just know to look for that which is the easiest thing when you're teaching someone new you're just like yeah just look for the flashing light you know and listen for the call outs yeah i'll give i'll give rules of five so yeah i i think well and we know they're super deep and there's a ton in yeah there's a ton in there we just we just scratched the surface and again like like this is something that don't don't take this review super serious this is just like overall just like our beginning impressions we didn't have a ton of time on it. Yeah, we need more. These are a couple of guys that love pinball that played it for the first time, and this is our idea. Did you see that Keith – So you're going five on rules? Oh, yeah, five, easy. Did you see that Keith Elwin Facebook post about that multiball he had or whatever, and it was like the challenge of the week? No, no. So he did like the T-Rex multiball or whatever. and no so gar nelson had the high score at uh on his game because i'd only been there a week and he had like i don't know 300 and some million and my second or third game i had a good multiball and i got to like 280 million oh i'm like all right i'm catching you guy right yeah well keith he was the t-rex multiball champion just for the multiball and he had like 500 million points just on that multiball. And then he's talking about it, and like I said, I don't know anything about the rules, and he had everything was maxed out, double scoring, all this stuff, and he had to make every shot and do all this stuff to get it all perfect to get to that $500 million, and of course he did it. Are you kidding me, Keith? It's insane. It is just absolutely insane. I think Keith should, every game he makes and designs, And even the ones he's done before, add this as a code update, but whenever you get Grand Champion, you should just have a call out with Keith just going, because I'm fucking Keith Elwin. Every time you get Grand Champion. Every Stern game from here on out, yes. Because I'm fucking Keith Elwin. I'm Keith Elwin. Fucking Keith Elwin. Of course I can do this. Oh, my God. Just amazing stuff. Yeah. So, anyways, if you think. What else we got? Oh, so. Overall enjoyability? Nope, animations. Animations. Yeah, there's a lot of them on there. Because it's all animated, the whole thing. Ooh. Do you like... Animations. Sorry, while we're talking about that, do you like the nudgery thing when you nudge it? And he goes, uh-uh-uh. Love it. Okay. That's my favorite thing. It is very cool. I loved it. Yeah. I'll never get sick of that one. No. No. Very cool. There's a lot going on with the animations. A lot going on. I will just say this about the animations. Since we know we weren't going to get movie clips, like, I'm assuming the movie clips are either A, unattainable, or B, just super expensive. I don't know. It just seems to be that way. It's always B. It just seems to be like that. So, you know, it does a great job telling the story. Like, there's a good opening, which I appreciated. The story of Adventure Dino Land. Yep, and the coloring book. And then there is definitely, you can see your progression pretty easy. I like the layout of everything. And some of the animations actually made me laugh Like the multiball No The ball save with the T-Rex Goes into the outhouse And you know that scene in Jurassic Park Where Ian Mel No that lawyer That crazy lawyer hides in the outhouse And the T-Rex eats him off the toilet But he eats the ball Great animation I think that was extra ball So Yeah I'll give it i'll give yeah and again another four cheese slices i thought that was a fantastic way they did a great job i thought the quality was there and stern's really upped their animation game in the last three games it's out of control i totally agree and uh i'll uh i'll just echo ian's sentiments on that because uh um yeah i was about to say stern just keeps kind of getting better and better with the animations. And, you know, that shows with Black Knight and then... Deadpool? You know, Deadpool. And now this. Even Guardians? Yeah, Guardians. I like the animations on Guardians. Yeah, see, I don't. Listen to me. Mr. I Love Everything and I don't. God bless you, Drew. I'm really appreciating your honesty right now. Chris Pratt can go off himself. Oh, hey! No, I'm just kidding, Chris Pratt. I know you listen to us. He's our number one listener. I love you, Chris. So, yeah, great job, Animations. Great job, Stern Team. I mean, you guys really, you know, I think you definitely hit a home run with this one. How many cheese slices? We'll go four. Ooh, that's a good score. Yeah, yeah. I would go five, but I would need to see more, like you were mentioning about eating the ball off the toilet. Yeah. If there was more stuff like that. Maybe there is. I just like more stuff, more nods to the movie. Yeah, there was the goat. Yeah, I know. But they could have done almost everything, lots of good stuff. And there could be still coming up. Sure. No, I can't wait to see it. We're not at 100% code, and we definitely didn't beat the game. Keith, I will change this to five cheese slices once I get through the entire game. You'll never do that. Glass off, baby. Still won't be able to do it. I forget about it. Yeah, all right. Good, good. Okay, and overall enjoyability, Drew? It's still a little early to tell. First impressions overall in June? Four cheese slices. Ooh. Yep. I can't give it a five again just because I haven't had enough time on it. I spilt on my lap. It was such a shocking score. Couldn't believe he gave her a four. Drew didn't say five and a half. No, no. I thought overall Stern did a great job with this game. I think this is one of the first games from Stern in a few years, and I'm sorry, Stern. I love you. I do. I appreciate what you do. But this is definitely one of those that I would, yeah, it's a bring-me-home game. Yeah, it's a home-own. Yep. Two thumbs up. I'll give it five cheese slices just because I thought Stern did a great job. They put a lot in the game. I was hard on Black Knight. But this is a good rebound. For, you know, because I am such a big Jurassic Park fan and such a big pinball fan, I thought for I'll say a few minutes to sell Simpsons to get that but then I gave up on that because that's not happening I was just thinking if I really want this game how can I do it because now I'm running out of space and money I'm always doing these mental gymnastics it brings me to a dark place and I don't like it how is Simpsons treating you by the way You know I trying to play a few games every week just because I enjoy the crap out of that game But now with all these new games I just haven had the time to put in on it But no every time I fire it up I smile I play it. I love it. I love that you love it. Yes. All right. So there you go. Well, should we do our... We got another top five today. Top five. Top five, top five, top five. Bow, bow, bow, bow. Do, do, do, do. I'll just make a noise right now. Well, Drew, last week we did the top five games that should be in the top 100, right? That were not in the top 100. That were not in the top 100. Yes. That needed to be in the top 100. This week. Our favorite games. We're going to flip that on its head. Yeah, this was a lot harder. It's way harder. We're going to take five games in the top 100, and we're going to tell you that it doesn't belong in the top 100. We're going to show them the door. Which means everyone's going to be so mad at us. You don't fuck with the top 100. No. No, you don't do it. No. You just don't. It's just one of those things. But we're going to do it because, you know what, we don't care. Our show, I don't care. Yeah, we can do what we want. We're drinking. We've done way worse things on this show. Yeah, this is tame by comparison. I know it, right? All right. So number five. Number five, Drew. Why don't you start us off? Number five is a ballet game from the early 90s. How dare you? and i know right see when i just say that people are like no no no a bally or a williams game from the 90s nope nope nope harsh so this one is beloved by a lot of people and uh i've played it and once again mr i love all pinball yeah i'm just like i don't really care for this game ready yeah i'm ready judge dread yeah i thought about that too myself i just you know one of the local place around here has it every time i go there i play it because i'm like i gotta see what this is about i gotta see what it's about and i'm like this game sucks i just don't like it like i don't i don't know there's so much shit in there like there's a lot of like yeah see and when they talk about stuff in the game yeah they literally just took like plastic and metal and just bolted it everywhere and said here you go they sprayed it with 3m and adhesive spray and just threw a bunch of plastic so you know i agree with you yeah i know people love it and you know A lot of people have it in their collection, and it's a centerpiece or whatever, but I'm just like, eh, no. I have no interest in Judge Dredd. So there. I said it. I pissed off the masses, and I said it. I'll one-up you. My number five is going to piss off everybody. I'm sorry. Ooh, I love it. Go ahead. I'm going to start five, meaning if it's on the top 100, it's okay. It belongs there. I get it, but it's just personally not my favorite. Yeah, these are personal favorites. But as I go down, number one, I can't stand this fucking game. Okay, does that make sense, everybody? Yeah, yeah. So number five. Sorry this is going to be a shock to some of you guys. It's a Steve Ritchie game. It's a Lyman Sheets game. Fire when ready. It's a Stern 2007. Spider-Man. I can't get into Spider-Man. I can see that. I just don't like it. And I'm sorry to say I want to so bad because I love Spider-Man as a superhero. It's one of my favorites. You understand why it's in the top 100, though, right? Absolutely. I mean, it looks like a Stern from that era. Yeah, the Photoshopping kind of stuff. And the shots are smooth. I'll give you that. But for whatever reason, it just does not click for me. It doesn't connect with me. Hey, you don't have to tell me, man. You know me. I'm the biggest Spider-Man fan on the planet. And I could have bought one, but I don't because, yeah, it's not that great. It's not my favorite. So that's my number five. All right, Drew, number four. Number four. This one I don't have any animosity towards. It's actually kind of a cool game, but once again, this is just saying I don't know why it's in the top 100. And to be fair, it's actually number 100 this week. Oh, okay. Which I thought was kind of funny. But Stargazer, 1980. I like Stargazer. No, like I said, I like it. It's a cool solid state game, but I could find 99 games that are better than it. Ah, that's a good point. So that was my reasoning for that. So don't send me hate mail. I don't hate Stargazer. It's fine. It's fun. but it doesn't belong in the top 100. All right. So number four for me, I'll preface this by saying that I'm in love with the theme and I'm in love with about 50% of the execution, but the rest of it bothers me so much. Which half, the bottom half or the top half? The bottom half. What's that? It bothers me so much, and you'll get the joke, that I don't want to even look at it in the top 100, and that would be ghostbusters oh i just i can't every time i start to love that game it's because i'm starting to make shots but that flipper gap yeah this is me off it ruins a good game it's a great game and i think my disappointment with it is the reason why my angst is so much for this game yeah i you know i'm the same way like every time i get in front of that game i'm like it looks so awesome nailed it nailed that theme when you when you pull that plunger and the music stays funny it's it's it's awesome you look at the play field they have everything they have they have the shots they have stay puff they have you know they have slimer going around doing his thing there's a lot there to love but because there's so much to love that flipper gap and i'm not the greatest player and i'm sure you great players out there are you ghostbuster guys that are really good at it i'm thinking this is so stupid this list is dumb i get it man 100 i get Because I love it. It's a dream theme. And maybe it's just my own personal disappointment with how it was executed. And that's just that bottom half, like I said. Yeah. Just bugs me. Bugs the shit out of me. So that's my number four. Nope. Fair enough, man. Fair enough. Number three, 1995 Gottlieb. Stargate. And, you know, I just recently learned that Stargate was a, you know, Simpsons-like clone. you know people talk about and i still don't see i mean i see it but i know just know there's no redeeming value on that game i've tried it i played it i don't like it it's just you know it's just not great yeah my number my number three um is funny for me because i when i first played it i fell in love with the game and i wanted it badly but now as i have matured as a pinball player and i've played a lot of pinball now this i can honestly say does not belong in the top 100 guys i don't care if it's a rare game we need to just look in the face look in the mirror and face the facts this game is in a top 100 game and it seems to be sticking around forever my black rose was twice the game this is and black roses isn't even in the top 100 new uh champion pub 1998 i was looking at that one hard to do it and i didn't pull the trigger why do you think it shouldn't be there well there's a lot of things it the toys and mechs are cool the guy you box is cool yep but fuck there is not a lot there there just isn't a lot there to go for you know there's not you just keep doing the same thing it's rinse and repeat i I love the look of the game. I love the idea of the game. Yeah. I don't care for it anymore now that I've – I feel like I've done it, right? Yep, yep. Once you knock that guy out once and jump rope once and hit the speed bag once, you're kind of good. Yep. No, I get it. Like I said, I was looking at that one. I'm like, same kind of thing because it's a cool game, but it's not pinball and it's just kind of – yeah. Right. There's no flow to it. You're just hitting shit. Yep. And it sounds stupid when you say it out loud because it's a pinball game. You're supposed to hit shit. It's Metallica, dude. Yeah, yeah. Everything, you hit shit. Wood choppy, bet, bet, bet, bet, bet. Just hit it. That's it, man. It's more of a target game. I agree. So, sorry, Champion Pub owners, man. You still got a cool-looking game. I love the game. I just wouldn't want to own it. Yeah, and in your basement for a while, it was like, oh, that'd be really cool to have down here. Right. Because it fits the decor. It fits the theme. but it's just, yeah, I get it. I get sick of it. I got sick of Monster Bash. I mean, if I got sick of Monster Bash, I'm going to get so sick of Champion Pop and like, yeah, yeah, twice as much. If you get sick of Monster Bash, you should just get out of the hobby, dude. Hey, it's still a beautiful game, but there's other games out there I got to play. There's this guy, Zach, I know. He sells Wonkas. I almost texted him today. Did you? I almost did. I almost bought an Oktoberfest again. I keep bothering him. Email us at poormanspinball at gmail.com. How long do you think Ian's going to have that money in his hand before he goes to another pinball machine? Knowing Ian... I'm so fucking impulsive. That's the problem. Because he's going to have it for a while. He's going to put it in his bank account. He's going to say, oh, this is awesome. Now I got more money in the bank, whatever. But then he's going to come down here. He's going to want to play pinball. And then he's going to go, Zach. You know, this is how my day's been. True fucking story. Woke up. Woke up. Fucking wanted to play Oktoberfest in the worst way. Right? So I started to text Zach. But then I said, let's hold off. Hold off. Hold off. Let's not do anything crazy, right? Let's get the money in your hand first. Yep. Then I'm driving to work, and I'm listening to This Week in Pinball. And Zach says, buy me. Zach had Crystal on And Crystal I'm sorry I don't know your last name But she was an amazing Oh she did a great job She was awesome Way to go Crystal And she was talking about taxi I was like oh fuck taxi three grand for a nice one That'd be kind of cool to have a taxi So then I was convinced I was going to get two System 11 games For the price of my monster Which you could do So going to work I was just like Yep that's what I'm going to do That's happening And then on my way home from work I was listening to the Canada podcast with him and Dr. Frightener and they were talking about Wonka. And I was like, sold. I'm getting a Wonka. So if that gives you any indication that money is going to be in my hands and then out the door, it may not even get to the bank. I don't even know yet. Can you make this check out to Zach? Many. Zach, it's going to go to him anyway. Zach, just, just send Ian a game. it doesn't matter which one right now just send them a game we'll figure it out yeah the money is in hand and it will be on route just trust just yeah just ship the game we'll figure out the specifics once it gets here oh such a oh never mind it's just frustrating even thinking about me frustrating that's awesome i might i might get to play a wonka i might get to play a taxi and a fun house i might get to play in october fest oh man it's all coming true for you drew drew gets another game this is awesome i just want to talk it out with you though yeah like october fest for whatever reason sticks with me because one the one that we keep playing is very frustrating because the scoop sucks yeah yeah two it fits my bar theme perfectly and i'm a big proud German and I love the Bavarian shit and I love Oktoberfest as a holiday and I love what they did with the game and it looks fun. I think it'll look great down here. And I love the fact that you can choose 14 different modes whenever the hell you want to play them. It doesn't have to be in order. So you can play juggling and get a multiball or you can play this, you know, the duck shooting one, which is awesome because it has a knocker. What games have knockers nowadays? Yeah, that's true. Badass, right? And everyone's hating on the game So it could be real cheap in a year or so. So that's what I'm like, I can't pull the trigger, can I? Yeah, but we... And then the other thing is like Wonka. All right, every time I step away from Wonka, I'm like, yeah, I'm okay with it. I don't need Wonka. And then I stand up next to a Wonka and start playing a Wonka. It's like, I need this fucker today. I'm buying this today. That's how frustrating it is right now. Yep. Yep, yep. I fully support your decision to buy an Oktoberfest. Oh, thank you. Yeah, you and Kuiper. All right, next one. Drew, you're going number two, brother. Ooh, number two. I will preface this by saying I've only played a couple of games on this, but didn't care for it. You know, just Batman Dark Knight, Stern 2008. I've never played it, so you go to town, brother. Yeah, I mean, like I said, only a couple of games. And once again, it wasn't like horrid or anything. I just... It's pretty high up in the list, though. Oh, on my list? Yeah, number two. Yeah, it is. But because my list, personally, was the, like I said, this definitely just doesn't belong in the top 100. Not necessarily a terrible game. Oh, you went the opposite. Yeah, because, like I said, there's a lot of games in the, you know, as we saw last week, in the 100 to 200 that are good games. And I think this just belongs in that 100 to 200 range. You know, it's okay. If you're a Batman fan, great. um you know i'm not a huge dc guy so i'm just like yeah you know take it or leave it didn't they wasn't this uh direct copy of another game oh batman 66 the layout's the same it's batman 66 they have the crane and then the spinning castle yeah they do have the crane it just it just doesn't do it for me though it's just kind of uh gotcha i'm looking at it right now I'm like, that looks like Batman 66. Interesting. I like Batman 66. I like Batman 66, too. It's amazing what the team can do, right? Yeah, like that Stargate Simpsons thing. All the shots are kind of in the same spot, but you like the theme, you don't like the theme. Hey, brother, it's not your cup of tea. Yeah, it definitely wasn't. All right, here we go. Number two. My number two, I switched it just now. You're right, Drew. Judge Dredd. I swayed him. Yeah, we have it over at our local, there's like a kiddie amusement park called Bounce over here. I don't know if that's a nationwide chain or not. But regardless, we have it, and I play it, and every time I want to like it, I don't at all. I like the call-outs. That's the best part of that game. But I will say Judge Dredd. Okay, what's your number one? Number one, we're at the bottom of the barrel now, aren't we? Well, I suppose so. This machine, let me say that again, this machine was built in 1991. Any guesses? The machine of? It was designed by Mark Ritchie, the brother of Steve Ritchie. And you know why it's number one on the list? Because it's not a pinball machine. It's Slugfest. It's a pitching bat. Oh, what the hell is it doing on? I don't know. Never played it. That's why I didn't add it. I just why? Why is it on here? I mean come on like is it an okay game? I'm sure it's fine I've never played it right but it's not going to be in my top 100 of pinball machines I can tell you that much yeah if it's a pitch and bat pitch that shit to the another website that doesn't even belong on Pinside then and it's number it number 76 by the way I don understand that so so could somebody email me and figure this out for me it has 67 ratings it almost at a 7 i mean that something so i don know 76 yeah 1600 produced 91 why why is this on there i mean it's got the dot matrix display so maybe that's why oh good lord look at this fucking monstrosity yeah it's got it's got one one flipper you know as the bat obviously how many buttons this thing has it looks like that goddamn pinball machine that uh i put it on uh facebook oh yeah yeah it's got the indonesian did for fiverr yeah they're in cahoots yeah if you don't know what i'm talking about you gotta you gotta like us on Facebook, guys. Sorry. I'm not explaining it today. Alright. So my number one. That's a good number one, by the way, Drew. That actually makes more sense. My number one's Stargate. Every time I play it, I feel like I'm going to break the thing. I don't know why the play field and the glass are so close together. There's a lot of things. I got questions on that game. That game just, it's up in your face. The movie's cool. The pyramid's cool. The pyramid toy is kind of neat. Nothing else. Nope. I don't care for it. those pop bumpers are over there and and just kind of the shots don't you know they talk about it's like the simpsons well the shots definitely don't feel like the simpsons i mean it's just no i don't like it maybe it's because of those silly gottlieb flippers that just way different dennis kriesel email us at poor man spinball at gmail.com tell us playing why gottlieb flippers are so awesome does he go out about that i don't remember He loves Gottliebs. He's a Gottlieb guy. He's got like eight Gottliebs. So I don't know. Dennis, Denny, Denden. Denden, tell us about the flippers, please. We need to know. Zach's listening to this going, what the hell? You guys stole all our shtick. It's our show, Zach. Zach, Zach. We can do what we want. I love you, Hackey, Zach. Don't worry. We'll keep you in mind when we make millions on this show. Don't worry. Hey, happy anniversary to Zach and his wife. I saw that on Facebook today. Yeah, they've been married like, what, 35 years or something? Well, you were saying that they were dating at seventh grade. They met in seventh grade. Wow, way to go, Zach. I don't know how you do it, buddy. Yeah, that's amazing. And that's awesome. Yeah, no, it's crazy. Once you get to that point where you're dipping your pen in ink, don't you want to dip your pen in all the ink? Good for you for being faithful, buddy. I love that about you. You're the best. Yeah. Exactly. There are some redeeming qualities about you. Yes. Way to go. We love you. All right. Way to go. So, speaking of love. Yes. What a great segue. We're going to do love letters. Drew, how are you feeling, man? I'm feeling good, man. Good, because it's time for some sexy, sexy, sexy little love. Here we go. My love letter is entitled, Dear Cantroller. I'll just start this off just by saying, prefacing this, if you have not seen Jack Danger's stream with the can troller, he had a Miller Lite can that actually was plugged into or connected to somehow the pinball machine at Jurassic Park, and he was playing on his Twitch stream with a can of Miller Lite. Fucking had beer in it and everything. Who would have thought? Couldn't they have a better beer for that? It's fucking awesome. So wait. Good job, Miller. because I think Miller is, I don't know if Miller's sponsoring Jack. I heard they are. Really? That's big news. That's pretty big news. So if that's the case, whatever. It's a marriage made in heaven. That would be the biggest pinball sponsor probably. Probably. Right? I mean, that's. But anyway, so he had this can troller. So here we go. Ready? Also, it's a poem. So I got fancy with you fucks today. Good luck. All right, here we go. Deer Can Troller. You're a Miller Lite can of golden bliss. Lots go down, which makes me piss. Jack Danger, in all your wisdom, you turned the pinball machine into a console and wired a beer can for utter control. Two-fisting like a genuine pro, always skating the line of being awesome and being a bro. Playing Dresk Park with a beer can has never been done, But watching you not be able to nudge is incredibly fun. Your scores were very, very low. Your skills were downright bad. It reminded me of my best game, which makes me feel sad and mad. Fuck, I suck at pinball. All I do is hold my Jack Danger Bear while I dream, looking forward to His Majesty's next stream. But as I tune in, I never switch. I love you, Jack, and million, million, Jack. too sexual for Twitch. But I'll hold my breath until I turn purple to get a glimpse of my guy named Turbo. I love you guys. That was very well done. Thank you, buddy. That was eloquent. I was feeding my daughter and I was writing it on the other hand. It's a little weird. I'm writing about your Uncle Jack. Your Uncle Turbo. Miller Lite I went a little bit a different way too so I wrote this down and then I want you to guess what it is alright sounds good it's dirty though, I mean it is filthy I love it, let's do it it got off the rails dirty if I pee myself this is your fault Drew's triumphant return to love letters sometimes you are tight sometimes you are loose i look inside and i am unsure if you've been possibly a moment i want to make sure i insert it the right way i want to make that gap feel just perfect i want to do it right i need to do it right we learned how together oh are you done sorry sorry i was in my sexy mode uh yeah i'm sweating over here uh that was about your flipper rebuild oh my god you got it that was my bram stoker's dracula flipper rebuild kit yeah and that was love letters so there you have it folks it's still alive all right well what should we do we should do maybe mailbag mailbag mailbag mailbag oh we're bringing back all the old classics here uh hey it's great that we have classics we're in episode 25 so we got all the old stuff now fuck we're good at this all right here we go mailbag uh where can they where can they mail us first you can email us at poor man's pinball at gmail.com or like us on facebook and send us a message that way um poor man's pinball podcast on facebook so no instagram no twitch we're getting there yeah i don't know you can tweet us at uh turbo graphics 7 send us your dirty love letters yeah you'll you'll get them maybe forward it on to us i don't know what he's gonna do but anyway here we go um mailbag so before we start going into the mail mail let's talk about our buddy our pal orbital elbert surviving a hurricane so alive and well yes doing good hurricane dorian he is safe his family is safe yep yeah that shit went all the way up there man yeah so he's he's good to go uh they lost power i think but everything else is good to go everyone's no we're glad brother so we love you orby yeah thank you for being okay we'll see you at expo question mark question mark it's only a 24 hour drive or whatever the fuck it is doing quick ian man we'll see you later did you listen every time he talks about driving like for him like oh it's only four hours it's only six hours i'm like how much time do you have dude I don't have that much time. Exactly. Oh. Like, always. Oh, it's just a seven-hour drive. Yeah, it took us four months to plan going to Spooky. I know, I know. That was like, what, two hours? Yeah. Yeah. Time. Anyway, Mailbag, we'll just kind of glance over it a bit. Yeah. That sound like a good thing? Sounds perfect. We got plenty of emails, lots of encouraging emails. You guys have been busy messaging us and emailing us. Yeah, we've been getting a lot of good stuff. It's been very nice for us interacting with everybody. So I'll start this. Today's fun thing on Facebook was we went on Fiverr to get some podcast logo ideas. So, you know, I paid somebody to come up with a kind of a cool old vintage logo. And the dude came up with like a, I don't know, It was like a bum playing this crazy-ass pinball machine with, I don't know how many buttons. It had to have been 20 buttons on this fucking thing. It didn't look like a pinball machine. And then the actual part where the ball would go on, it almost looked like, and one of our friends said this, it looks like the Sesame Street old school pinball thing where it counts to 12. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. 11, 12, yeah. And do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. All right, sorry. And so not only did he misspell podcast, it was pos-cast. I told the guy, I was like, man, this isn't going to work. This doesn't look like a fucking pinball machine I'm going to get laughed at. I can't put this on anything. And he just said, fuck it. Nope, that's it. Done deal. And he called it done. Then he came back and he fixed the podcast part The misspelling But he left it as is So I thought for fun I just shared it with everyone on Facebook Oh yeah there were some good comments about Put it on a shirt I'll buy some And sadly we talked about it There might be a weird Indonesian pinball T-shirt coming your way Yeah we don't know yet We're going to probably do something fucking bizarre with it We haven't decided yet But just go check it out on our Facebook page It's pretty good Yeah, we'll figure out how we're going to do that. But yeah, we had some pretty good... Zach Many wanted us just to leave it with the podcast. Well, if we're going to do it, we have to leave it as podcast. I think so. I mean, why not? I think so. Brad Hopkins chimed in. All the heavy hitters. Yeah. Yeah. Rich Fuck Ian. He loved it. We don't do spell check here at the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. I put it in right, but yeah, no. Fuck it. That sucked. That sucked. No revision. I was like, all right, well then, go fuck yourself. we got one from an email from kirk leonard hey yo just started listening to your podcast which i am digging you guys are fun to listen to and actually talk about pinball a bit more than some others oh what yeah i don't know see i thought it was the opposite yeah like did you say that right that's weird weird even say very little you guys drink more than the others because that that's probably more apt anyways you guys had more words talking about ian's monster bash and this and that but then at the end um keep up the good stuff and here's one dad joke uh you didn't have on your episode do you know why when ducks fly in a v one side of the v is longer than the others i don't know there's more ducks on that side good job thanks kirk we appreciate that and we actually got several dad jokes messages all this stuff so we we might bring some more dad jokes back because uh it was it was just fun to do and uh people seem to respond to it yeah we got we got our uh email from eric and he basically said you have to keep the random timer in with the dad jokes every week yeah and i would like it would be fun but i think it would get old quick yeah we're not going to do it every week but we're gonna pepper it in yeah pepper it in yeah you will not see the last of the dad jokes but the the responses were pretty overwhelming so we will do more dad jokes in the future episode and then the best friend of the poor man's pinball podcast mr brad hopkins brad hopkins just wanted to check in with you guys and let you know i'm still enjoying your podcast thanks brad thanks dad jokes can stay oh we got the official brad hopkins stamp of approval thank you brad there you go now we gotta do brad brad we gotta do brad jokes so we're gonna do dad jokes and uh you know i didn't even think about it we did a love letter just for him i guess yeah sorry about the love letter this week but we'll be bringing dad jokes back next week so keep on listening brad he goes do nothing but dad jokes and what did we do love letters yeah yeah uh we're such assholes brad it was unintentional brother we love you so everybody i think uh that's it that's it we were short sweet again short an hour man see every time i think it's shorter than it is but we just keep on rolling so many things to talk about we did we had to catch up on stuff last week yeah we had jurassic Park to review. Maybe I just got to stop buying games and then we'll be talking about them so much. No, then yeah, Drew's learning more about shit. I am having a lot of fun tinkering with these things. I'm getting into it. It's a lot of work, man. I know, I drink so much. I know. Excuse me. I got to leave the family at home, come here, have fun and drink. Terrible. Terrible. I've had to put the baby down without me. Terrible, terrible. It's awful, the sacrifices I make to these people. All right, well, Apton Estate Rums loves this segment, and I love them for being so delicious. So thank you for listening, Drew. Thank you, guys. We'll see you next week with episode 26. 26. It'll be called Dad Joke Love Letter Mailbag Hate Mail episode. Part do. Part do. Later. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. Thank you.