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The Pinball Show Ep 24: Can You Milk A Boy Cow?

The Pinball Show·podcast_episode·1h 35m·analyzed·Aug 3, 2020
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TL;DR

Zach struggles with Spooky code updates bricking his machine; GNR rumor debunked as Wonka shipment.

Summary

The Pinball Show Episode 24 features hosts Zach Minney and Dennis Creasel discussing a Facebook donut meme about Dennis, code update frustrations (particularly with Spooky Pinball machines), a Jersey Jack correspondent report about shipments to Australia (initially speculated as Guns N' Roses but confirmed as Wonka), and various tangential topics including Air Jordans and video game themes. The episode highlights technical barriers to home ownership and maintenance of modern pinball machines.

Key Claims

  • Black Knight Toppers are shipping and Stern Pinball is about to close the door on that topper forever

    high confidence · Zach Minney states dealers and Stern are shipping Black Knight Toppers after months of delay, and suggests they will be permanently discontinued.

  • Spooky Pinball code updates require updating twice in a row

    high confidence · Dennis Creasel reports Spooky tech told him code updates must be done twice consecutively, contradicting typical update procedures.

  • Jersey Jack Pinball factory is up and running

    high confidence · Ken Cromwell confirmed on Jersey Jack Pinball podcast that the new factory is operational; Ken Rudberg correspondent report.

  • Zach Minney's Rick and Morty machine is currently bricked due to code update failure

    high confidence · Zach describes machine showing only black screen with blinking cursor after failed Spooky code update attempts; reached out to Spooky Tech Chris Menyer and Eric Pripke for support.

  • 90s Bally Williams games are superior to Data East and other competitors

    medium confidence · Dennis Creasel's opinion stated during discussion about pinball game quality comparisons across eras.

  • Guns N' Roses was initially speculated but the Jersey Jack shipment to Australia was confirmed to be Wonka machines

    high confidence · Ken Rudberg correspondent report; Pinside users attempted CSI enhancement to read box labels and determined machines were Wonka, not GNR.

Notable Quotes

  • “If Dennis were a donut he'd be a bagel anyway just out of spite so you couldn't even follow the rules as usual”

    Zach Minney @ ~5:30 — References the Facebook donut meme and Zach's defiant non-participation in the naming convention.

  • “I made them salivate...I made them sit there. Oh, mama.”

    Zach Minney @ ~20:45 — Demonstrating how proper presentation of code update news (Blood Dome for Rick and Morty) can engage listeners vs. dry technical descriptions.

  • “I hate it. If it's not a certain pinball machine, updating code is damn near impossible.”

    Zach Minney @ ~25:00 — Core frustration with inconsistent code update processes across manufacturers, particularly affecting home collectors.

  • “Essentially I have a dead game that won't accept...I wouldn't even have updated these damn things if I knew that I wasn't going to get to play at all.”

    Zach Minney @ ~35:20 — Describes the bricked Rick and Morty machine and regret over attempting the update, highlighting operator/collector frustration with modern pinball technology.

  • “Is there any way to mess up the entire system or needing a reset just by trying to code update? And he's like, no, it's not the update's fault. I'm like, I know it's not the update's fault. It's your fault. You failed.”

    Zach Minney (quoting his exchange with Eric Pripke) @ ~40:30 — Illustrates the frustration and blame dynamics when code updates fail—unclear responsibility between user and manufacturer.

  • “It's like a mean girlfriend or boyfriend in high school...they're so hot they're so fun to be with but sometimes they make you feel broken”

    Zach Minney @ ~50:45 — Metaphor for emotional attachment to the problematic Rick and Morty machine despite technical failures.

  • “Ken Rudberg is there. You get it of the month. Sorry, little flipper.”

    Zach Minney @ ~55:30 — Awarding correspondent of the month to Ken Rudberg for the Wonka shipment investigation and report.

Entities

Zach MinneypersonDennis CreaselpersonKen RudbergpersonKen CromwellpersonChris MenyerpersonEric PripkepersonDavid DennispersonRaymond Davidsonperson

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Jersey Jack Pinball's new factory is operationally confirmed and shipping games

    high · Ken Rudberg report citing Ken Cromwell confirmation on Jersey Jack Pinball podcast that 'the new factory is up and running.'

  • ?

    community_signal: Stern Pinball producing 'Inside the Stern Studio' interview series featuring department heads like Zombie Yeti

    medium · Zach: 'Stern Pinball did an Inside the Stern Studio with Zombie Yeti...That's a really nice feature on Stern Pinball...where they did more of an in-depth look, an interview with Zambietti and his style, his approach to pinball art.'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Correspondent network diminished; most correspondents have stopped submitting updates due to lack of news in industry

    medium · Zach: 'we can't get complaints about pinball news because there is none...our correspondents have quit they're picketing outside our pinball network office right now...we didn't get but i think one or two submissions...Ken Rudberg was the only correspondent this week.'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Dennis Creasel expresses preference for 90s Bally Williams games over Data East and modern competitors based on gameplay feel

    medium · Dennis: 'I think the 90s bally williams games are better than the data easts the got leaves etc they just are they feel better.'

  • ?

    leak_detection: Jersey Jack Australia shipment photo leaked; community attempted to identify game via box analysis

    high · Ken Rudberg report describes Jersey Jack sharing photo on social media of pins and boxes being shipped; Pinside community engaged in investigative enhancement.

Transcript

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0:00
The Pinball Network is online. Launching The Pinball Show. Pinball is a game of skill. For some, it's a passion and a lifestyle.
0:20
It's time for The Pinball Show. It's pinball with personality. Welcome back, you donuts and pastries and bagels out there. This is Zach Minion, Dennis Creasel with the Pinball Show, episode 24.
0:39
Hey, Dennis. Hey. How are you? I'm fine. Have you been playing a lot of pinball this week? Nope. What about video games? Nope.
0:50
Board games? Nope. What have you been doing? Nothing. listener behind the scenes before we press the record button i asked dennis what he was doing this last weekend he said nothing i said okay i get that that sounds nice you don't have to worry about anything big going on it doesn't sound like a video games pinball and he said no nothing and i said oh bullshit it's gonna be something you're doing i said are you looking at a wall are you talking to hot chicks on skype what are you doing and he said no nothing and now he's playing with my emotions because he will not tell me what he was doing. I asked if he was crocheting. I asked if he was balancing the air in his tire. He'll give me nothing, listener, and I'm blaming you. It's that donut thing on Facebook, isn't it? The donut thing was stupid. For those who did not see on Facebook, if you follow the Pinball Network, we have David Dennis from the Silver Ball Chronicles host over there. He helps us with the social media on the Pinball Network, and he posed a question that said, if Dennis Creasel were a donut, what type would he be?
1:58

  • “We're not going to know about the game before it's shipped.”

    Dennis Creasel @ ~57:00 — Dismissing speculation about surprise Guns N' Roses shipment; noting industry pattern that major releases are announced beforehand.

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    market_signal: Black Knight Toppers sold out through Flippin' Out Pinball pre-orders; expected permanent discontinuation signals limited production run

    high · Zach: 'We pre-sold all of ours so if you've got your order through us at flipping out pinball i think you're safe' and 'I believe the stern pinball is about to close the door on that topper forever.'

  • ?

    announcement: Black Knight Toppers shipping after months-long delay; Stern appears to be closing door on production permanently

    high · Zach: 'Hallelujah. We waited months upon months upon months for these things to be built again...I believe the stern pinball is about to close the door on that topper forever.'

  • ?

    product_concern: Spooky Pinball code update procedures lack clarity and consistency; manufacturer guidance unclear about double-update protocol

    high · Zach detailed struggle: unclear whether to follow on-screen directions or website instructions for second update; USB handling ambiguity; result: bricked machine requiring motherboard investigation.

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Community speculated Guns N' Roses was being shipped to Australia based on box photo; Pinside users enhanced images to identify shipment

    high · Ken Rudberg: 'Could these be pre-release Guns N' Roses on their way across the pond? Well, some users on Pinside used their CSI Enhance ability to try and read the sides of the boxes. Unfortunately, they appear to be Wonka machines.'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Code update procedures across manufacturers are inconsistent and user-unfriendly, particularly Spooky and Jersey Jack. Spooky requires double updates with unclear instructions. Process can brick machines.

    high · Zach's detailed troubleshooting narrative showing multiple failed attempts, USB compatibility issues, format confusion, and final result of bricked machine. Chris Menyer and Eric Pripke both engaged in extensive troubleshooting.

    • Yeah, it was pretty mean-spirited, if you ask me. I don't think it was mean. Yeah, I think so, because donuts aren't good for you.
    2:08
    Nah. Is that true, that all donuts aren't good for you? I think that's probably completely true. What, a health donut? There is no such thing. And to speak of one is treason. I'm looking at the post right now. If Dennis Greasel were a donut, what type of donut would he be? I think it was mean that David Dennis said hashtag plain. Yeah, see? That showed you the bias. He started off there. The bias. He was already planting the seed in the post. I might actually be on your side on this one. Let's see what kind of answers we got here.
    2:39
    Why? Brian Cosner says an old-fashioned sugar. See, that was nice. That was a positive comment. That's pretty plain. michael ryman said a vanilla long john no cream that's pretty plain yeah but it's a vanilla vanilla long john is actually rare flavors it's the plainest ice cream chocolate is the original long john there so you got a little something there oh this is from zach minnie oh that's me i said if dennis were a donut he'd dot dot dot be a bagel anyway just out of spite so you couldn't even follow the rules as usual how to do your own thing jason nepp says you'd be a bear claw that's fair that's a great donut i don't even remember what bear claw is bear calls a great donut nap is a egp fan and dennis creasel fan dan donnell said a long john just glazed and smug and filled with spite love you didn't yeah that's great that's wonderful long john a lot of people going long john here anthony layton was the perfect one he just said but whatever the smartest donut is that's a suck up answer oh but you won't take it i like suck ups i don't even know what like donuts are just things they don't have any they don't have any strength or intelligence or anything uh that you know of see you you just your mind stays within the realm of of human uh Human creation. Cracks me up. First, the speed of light is the fastest you can go. And now it's like, oh, donuts, or they don't have any original thought. The entire theory of special relativity. And your argument for doing so was, well, I took biology in college.
    4:19
    I was just trying to support me not being a complete idiot. That's all. If I can keep up with that, I can keep up. Okay. Orbital Albert. I love Orby because he was just straight up for real with this question. He was answering it as a legitimate question. He said, well, Dennis would be an old-fashioned lemon glaze. Nothing too flashy, just old-fashioned goodness. I didn't even know there were such things as lemon-glazed old-fashioned donuts. I think so. I know. I think it's a Canadian-only thing. There was some good stuff in here. A plain glaze, but inside would be habanero jelly. That was Nick Schell's.
    4:59
    He got a little spice on the inside. I like that. Yeah, that was a little spicy. And then Raymond Davidson, the number one player in the world, said, to be honest, Creasel already kind of sounds like a kind of donut. A Creasel. I would eat the shit out of a Creasel. It does. Ray Day's right. Creasel does kind of sound like a type of donut. Somebody did say hashtag Team Dennis and said, once you get past Denton's crunchy exterior, you're going to find he has a very sweet filling. The people love you. except for Ryan C. He said something inappropriate. Yes, I saw that one too. Very inappropriate. I thought it was a lot of fun. Of course you did. Well, look, I think David Dennis should then do one this week on me. I don't think we need to talk about donuts anymore. Okay. No, don't donuts. But maybe I was thinking about maybe if Zach Minney was a pinball machine, he would be a lot of options there. what are you wanting them to name a specific machine or what well there's no rules just like this donut thing no rules there should have been rules there maybe you can name the old system one maybe you can it doesn't matter to me maybe a popeye i think it would be something beautiful and rare that plays like a dream but is underappreciated speaking of rarity you and i both appeared on a different pinball podcast this week oh yeah i originally forgot about this i did i messaged you and i said hey thanks for uh doing that little piece on the final ram pinball podcast and you're like i didn't do any piece i was like yeah i remember the the sponsor of the week thing and you're like oh okay i forgot about that yeah i feel bad because that was just a few days before but yes i i feel bad too because jeff tieles reached out and he asked for some of my wonderful singing um and he asked me maybe for a couple songs with original lyrics and i submitted it to them and i was just the ass of a joke creasel i thought they were really looking forward to me being a sponsor by having my own hit album yeah i think i know that uh that was a joke I knew better I didn't know I was going to be the worst I think after the conflict you and Jeff had over Hart you should have known better I definitely should have I was asking for it they called it the worst sponsor ever of their show and I was saddened too that I sang a little I'll give you guys a little taste right here was one of my original compositions here you go
    7:38
    Blinded by Dwight Some call it abuse Another flasher in your eyes Blinded by Dwight LEDs are breaking loose Another flasher in your eyes Blinded by Dwight So see, that wasn't too bad there. I had a little bit of this, a little original piece here.
    8:08
    Sack is back So kiss my sack Weaving gold on this pinball soundtrack And I'm letting loose I'm dropping deuce On all those pinball haters around Many ask me why I'm such a shill of a guy Lick my balls and bye bye bye I am despised And chastised Running circles around all of them And loving lies Stop it Yes I'm bad And the most ambitious piece that I did, Dennis Creasel, for the Final Round Pinball Podcast Sponsor of the Week, was a little ditty where I stretched my flow, my rapping acumen, if you will. You know how good I am at that. Yeah. Flow's so sick that I stuck with a hybrid. A rap and a musical. What's everybody's favorite rap musical right now? It's hashtag Hamilton. People can't get enough of it. So here you go. Here's a little flavor of Hamilton.
    9:19
    Well, the word got around. They said this kid is insane, man. Took up a collection just to send him to this mainland. Get your education. Don't forget from whence you came. And the world's going to know your name. What's your name, man? Alexander Hamilton My name is Alexander Hamilton And there's a million things I haven't done Just you wait, just you wait When he was ten, his father split Full of it, debt ridden Two years later, see Alex and his mother Bedridden, half dead Sitting in their own sick, the scent thick And Alex got better but his mother went quick Moved in with a cousin, the cousin committed suicide Left him with nothing but ruined pride Something new inside a voice saying Alex, you gotta fend for yourself He started retreating and reading every treatise on the shelf There would've been nothing left to do for someone less astute He would've been dead or destitute without a sin of restitution Started working, clerking for his late mother's landlord I didn't see. Not too bad, huh? I like how everything that didn't get used is just stuck in here.
    10:45
    Well, it wasn't enough for you. I did the whole Hamilton song, so at the end of the show, I'll play that one for you guys if you guys want it in its entirety. They don't want it. All we get are complaints. we can't get complaints about pinball news because there is none no no there never is anymore it seems our correspondents have quit they're picketing outside our pinball network office right now probably because of all the songs yeah we want donuts we want news so yeah we we didn't get but i think one or two submissions you want to listen to them real quick yeah let's go ahead and get through them it's time for tpn industry news Hi, this is Ken Rudberg with your Jersey Jack update. Jersey Jack Pinball shared on social media this week a photo of some pins and boxes being shipped off to Australia. Could these be pre-release Guns N' Roses on their way across the pond? Well, some users on Pinside used their CSI Enhance ability to try and read the sides of the boxes. Unfortunately, they appear to be Wonka machines. On the upside, this means that the new factory is up and running, a fact confirmed by Ken Cromwell on last week's Jersey Jack Pinball podcast. That's it on another Slow News Week. This has been Ken Rudberg with your Jersey Jack Update.
    12:10
    Always nice hearing from the correspondent. Singular. I love that Dr. John messaged me. He's like, I'm out there. It's Snowmobile News this week. Full of the shit.
    12:25
    Spooky and haggis. And I'm like, I'm going to message him back and be like, hey, Dr. John, there's new Rick and Morty code. What do you mean there's no news? There's new Rick and Morty code. Well, code is not really news. I actually, I don't like covering code, quite frankly, because you're targeting such a small segment of the listener base with any given game.
    12:48
    But everything's got to be universal. No, but I'm just saying it's really boring for anyone that doesn't have a game to just hear about, oh, there's a new dimension and there's new positive scoring with it. And let's say HV3LT and HV3RT. Well, when you say it like that. That's kind of how you'll say it. Watch this.
    13:09
    Ladies and gentlemen, there was a brand new code released for Spooky Pinballs, Rick and Morty. One of the rarest machines out there, one of the most sought-after machines out there, now has more, including a brand-new adventure. You can't talk adventure without talking Blood Dome. Ooh, yeah. Blood Dome. That sounds like a bad accident that could happen. So we got Blood Dome as a new adventure for Rick and Morty. See the difference there in presentation, Grasel?
    13:43
    Yeah. Yeah, see? You put them to sleep and made them not care about Rick and Morty. They still don't. I made them salivate. Or in on it. I made them sit there. Oh, mama. Why don't you tell us about the new replay animation? Because that's newsy. Hey, who doesn't love new animations, new call-outs? This new code drop has it. New replay animations. New dimensions. A thousand times Rick target scoring. I want to know all about that. New dimensions, positive scoring and negative scoring. Hell, you get new lines for tilt, for reset, for attract, flip, or press button, even for bird person himself. We haven't heard from him yet. And new end of the game quotes. And if you thought getting schwifty was badass, wait for the new call out when you make the shot stirring. Get schwifty. You don't want to talk about Gromflamite?
    14:32
    Oh, Gromflamite, Battlestart. That's like the multi-ball. You know, man, I don't want to talk about this, but I gotta.
    14:41
    I would love to play this game. I would love to update this code. You own one. Owning one is not the same as being able to play one, though. Okay. That's technically true. So technically, I can't play this code update. And technically, I can't play last code update. Want to know why? Because you don't know how to install code updates. See, and that's what a lot of people would think. I put on, I don't know if anybody saw on Facebook, straight on the middle. I made the post that said, essentially, I cannot wait for internet connectivity to actually enable code updates because this fucking shit is the bane of my existence. I hate it. If it's not a certain pinball machine, updating code is damn near impossible. I can't figure it out. A lot of people are like, it's the user, you dumbass. No, I would argue that it's not. If myself, a very well-versed pinball player and collector. Expert on light. An expert, if you will. You said it, not me. If I struggle updating code on these games, then what about the market in which they're trying to sell these said machines to? Games are already sold. They don't really have to code update anything.
    16:01
    Yeah, but then they wouldn't sell their next game if they really dropped the ball. Well, I'm keeping things very focused on the near term, Zach. The problem with updating the code, so I had to reach out to Spooky Tech, Chris Menyer, and he's a friend of mine, so he was busting my chops too, thinking, everybody just assumes that I'm an idiot. He was like, okay, well, let me teach you how to update the code. Well, you do mention being unable to update code quite a bit. Because it's impossible. Have you tried to update TNA? I have not done that update yet, no. Man, between a spooky guy, American Pinballs should be just like spooky. You just plug it in, doesn't matter if it's on or not. It doesn't matter, and it should work. It just goes right into it. A Jersey Jack, don't even get me started on Jersey Jack games. If you own a Mac and a Jersey Jack, good luck. Good luck. You got to get a mass boot and you got to transfer. No, no thank you. But spooky is supposed to be easy, except for recently they're like, well, no, when you do the code update, you have to do it twice in a row. What? Twice in a row? That doesn't even make sense to me. So what does that mean, Dennis? You have to do it twice. Make sure you update it twice. I guess you have to go through the update steps two times in a row. Okay, well, that's fine and dandy. So I go to do that. I get it on a disk. I put it in there. It looks like it updates. And it says, pull the USB and reboot your game. Okay, I can handle that. But then I'm like, well, I know I need to code update it again. But do I need to follow the directions on the screen or do I need to follow the directions on the website that tells me to do it again? So what would you have done there? So do you use the same USB with the code on there already? Or do you have to put it back into your computer, delete that or anything else, logs that got put onto it, then add the new code on there, then put that one in for the second round?
    17:53
    See, these are all things that I don't know. So I try to do that regardless. I try to do the code update again. And in three seconds, boom, it says complete. And I'm like, uh-oh, that's not right. So I do what it tells me to. I pull the USB out, reboot the game, and it comes up with a message that says update required. Uh-oh. No USB is in it. It's not booting to a game. It just says update required. So then I start re-updating. Okay, let me try this over again. Add it there. Update required. Shit. What do I do now? Okay, so then I just start the whole process over. let me get a new USB let me reformat it to make sure it's right because you've got to reformat these things which is a pain in the ass so I go to a PC forget the Mac I'll go to a PC I'll reformat the USB I'll make sure it's on XFAT we're all good boom boom boom updates the code right it says you've got to turn it off turn it back on but then I know I have to do it the second time but I see this time what's going to happen sorry for the rant people but any of you that went through this bullshit know my pain so I thought you know what this time I'm not going to do it the second time see what it says so I turn it on and it says update required okay fair enough I'll take this same one I'll get the code right back on and I'll put it back in I plug it in it looks like it's starting boom nope says it's complete but whenever I switch it off this next time nothing comes up on the screen it's black just a small little cursor blinking beep boop beep boop beep boop so essentially I have a dead game that won't accept I wouldn't even have updated these damn things if I knew that I wasn't going to get to play at all. I'd rather have the old code. Do you see my frustrations, Dennis? Yeah. I mean, I get it. I get why you're upset. So I messaged Tech, and Chris Menier's been wonderful, as he always is, trying to help me figure out what I missed. Because it's probably something I messed up. I even messaged Eric Prippy on Pinside. That guy is so fantastic. He was really quick to get back with me. He said, Zach, I don't think it's the update that's causing this problem. he said it might be a system thing worked with tech spooky which is what he's supposed to do he's not the tech guy but I thought if he's doing code maybe he'll know and I said I know it's not the update because I've done both of these new updates and my game's still bricked maybe it's a chip I've only ever had a problem updating one game and it was a stern it happens I guess Well, and that way I had to call support because it would read the update. It would like, it knew the update was in there and it wouldn't install it. And it turned out that my, one of my chips, I think my U9 EEPROM chip or something was, had a leg bent. So it couldn't update the chip. And, you know, Stern's tech support, when I called and said, you need to pull that chip because I think there's a leg bent. And there was. When I got it out, I saw one wasn't aligned right, which is why it was, that was my walking dead. And it was still on stock code when I got it. Oh, and on the SAM system, there's only one USB port too, I think. Yes, I believe so. Okay. It was like – and yeah, it would – because I kept thinking, oh, I'm not using the right format on my flash stick or my flash stick is too big. It's too – you know. Yeah. But it's like, no, it's seeing the code, but it wouldn't take. It would just lock up. That's what Chris Menyer went through, and he did a really good job of trying to troubleshoot. Maybe the USB is too big. I had a 64 gig. He said, no, you need like an 8 gig. so I found a 16 gig. I tried to reformat that. We tried to put it in different USB ports thinking maybe one of the USB ports is not. Tried it all. Maybe I need a motherboard. Surely I don't need a motherboard. Well, I mean, unless it's like a connection where a chip or something or the USB is, you know, where it connects to the motherboard to the rest of the circuitry because your game plays. But I don't know.
    21:49
    Well, it played before, right? Yes, it played before. I tried this update. But you could still have damage on the board that would be specific to that, some aspect that's only used for the update. Maybe, and that's what Pripke was like. Well, no, it's not going to... Because I asked him, I said, is there any way to mess up the entire system or needing a reset just by trying to code update? And he's like, no, it's not the update's fault. I'm like, I know it's not the update's fault.
    22:15
    It's your fault. You failed. What sort of pinball machine would you be, Zach? A broken one. the only reason i care dennis this is the transparency the only reason i give two shits is because i've been through a power supply on this thing now my game is essentially bricked which i didn't know any code update could essentially break a damn game but i just i love this game so damn much i wish i didn't i wish i could just be like you know what i'm tired of the shit here i want to sell it somebody take it but i won't get rid of it because i love this damn game too much it's like a mean girlfriend or boyfriend in high school damn they're so hot they're so fun to be with but sometimes they make you feel broken that's a good analogy right sell it no i can't i can't yeah it's broken you could never get all for me on the line You're going to sell a broken game. Somebody could offer me $10,000, $11,000, maybe $12,000, and I wouldn't sell it. I don't know about that, Zach. I'm telling you. Because you need a new desk. I do need a new desk. Don't get me started on the studio desk, trying to find a studio desk. Nobody makes studio desks anymore. Nobody makes nice ones. What is this? And if you find one, it's like $2,000 for a damn desk, and it's going to take four months just to make. What is this, pinball? I just want a desk. I love it. I don want to spend on a desk Meanwhile here take this hundred dollar topper it just a desk yeah which you going to use all the time functionality is off the charts that is true i'm getting a standing desk the one that you press the button stands up it's like goes up to a standing or it's like why not pay thousands of dollars for a tv you're going to use it all the time i get that i've been looking at new max i get that yeah even shoes because you're wearing them all the time so i can understand you spending i had someone write to me incidentally saying you weren't a uh you weren't a real air jordan fan because you called them jordans and air jordans and not jays so you clearly are a poser look no send me that poser send me that girl's email address whoever the hell sent that to you i'm telling you right now No poser. Zach Poser Mini. Test my Jordan knowledge. Test them. Just try. I will battle anybody. You've already shown your Jordan lingo ain't up to snuff. Shit. You show me a picture of a Jordan, I'll tell you which one it is. Boom. Could you guess the most popular Air Jordan right now, Dennis? No, I don't know anything about them. 1 through 34. Just guess a number. The most popular Air Jordan. Oh, my God. Most coveted. I'm sorry I brought it up. See? That's what you did. Tried to do a zinger on you. Just ask for a number.
    25:08
    18. Not really popular. Fell outside of his playing days. Those were the hottest ones, 1 through 14 when he played. Stern Pinball did an Inside the Stern Studio with Zombie Yeti. Did you catch that? I did not. That's a really nice feature on Stern Pinball. I don't know if they have it on the website, but the Facebook page, where they did more of an in-depth look, an interview with Zambietti and his style, his approach to pinball art, what got him into it, etc. But it's nicely done. I would suggest everybody go check that out. And you can't really check out Black Knight Toppers because they were shipping this week. Hallelujah. We waited months upon months upon months for these things to be built again. But they're now shipping again from dealers, and I think from Stern. but by the time you're hearing this they've all sold out sorry sorry and i think if i am correct and you guys always want to hear about the most up-to-date news about pinball machines accessories etc you're going to hear it here on the pinball show and good luck finding black knight toppers in the future because i believe the stern pinball is about to close the door on that topper forever and we've pre-sold all of ours so if you've got your order through us at flipping out pinball i think you're safe i did not get my order in oh man yeah i couldn't see you owning a black knight anyway why not i don't know it doesn't seem like your type of game like last week we talked about deadpool me thinking that's a dennis criso kind of game black knight i could see you enjoying it enough on location but i don't see you owning that game am i right i don't own it do you own any jersey jack pinball games i do not do you think you will in the future no they would never go in the lineup you know me and my perfectly aligned back boxes they're close to a bally williams so you can cheat a little bit there i don't own a single bally williams oh god i own a williams what do you call them plebes plebe games no no i don't but they tend to go for a premium because of nostalgia and i have no nostalgia for them so last time i checked they tend to go for a premium because they are superior oh so you think that the 90s bally williams games are better than the modern games i think the 90s bally williams games are better than the data easts the got leaves etc they just are they feel better yeah i remember i was playing the uh bugs bunny birthday ball and i was just thinking whoa i'm sure glad this isn't a data east that That should have been a Daddy East there. Daddy East is the one that got all the good licenses. The art's too good on it.
    27:58
    It was Python Angelo, wasn't it? Yeah, it was. Oh, my gosh. Jersey Jack Pinball on a recent Facebook post said they were shipping games to Australia. Guns N' Roses. That's what everybody thought. Ken Redberg was the only correspondent this week. And he submitted that. So, you know what, Ken Redberg? You get the correspondent award of, you know what? I was going to say the week, the month. You get it of the month. Sorry, little flipper. You get it. Ken Rudberg is there.
    28:33
    Where are you all at, people? Said that games were shipping to Australia. You said Guns N' Roses. Everybody else was up in arms. They thought, holy shit, we're about to get a Guns N' Roses.
    28:42
    Nope. That's so funny that they actually thought that. I know. Why would they think that? Because it would be a, I don't know. So it's such a – I know sometimes you'll hear they'll do the shipment. There's a stern like that where they do their European shipment early. A couple weeks early so they land at the same time. So they conflate that a little bit, company A versus company B. Plus they think, oh, it would be such a surprise. And in their heads, Guns N' Roses should be out by now. I mean these are pinball people. Let's not expect too much of them. Yeah. I knew this wasn't – No! They're not. We're going to know about the game before it's shipped. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if they did ship, if it is Guns N' Roses, very Americana, I wouldn't be surprised if they shipped domestics at the same time as overseas, and overseas is just going to have to wait a little bit. Yeah. Because I think Stern has done that. They've pre-shipped stuff, and it kind of got them in trouble. Well, that's sort of what happened with Stranger Things. Mm-hmm. But it was only a very few quantity, and it was an attempt to get them to locations, and Well, either that or like, I forgot what title it was. It's like, Belgium gets their first Stern pinball machine and everybody from the States is like, are you shitting me? Made in America. Do people really get worked up about that? Yes. Wow. Very much. That's petty. I don't understand getting worked up about things like that. You guys got worked up on the Eclectic Gamers podcast. No, we didn't. We were calm. Calm? Yeah. Calm before the storm. You guys were excited. We were calm. You had a lot of excitement talking about video game themes and whether or not they would fit into pinball. Yeah, we tried to go a little more off the beaten path. Not just naming. That's no shit. Not just going around naming themes that everyone knows would easily be transferable. Enjoyable themes, yeah. We felt a little more famous themes. We went more with weird genres and such this time. That nobody, only 2% of your listenership knew about. No, I think most people know what Tetris is even amongst my listener base. Okay, you picked the most popular one. 90% of the stuff you guys are talking about, I was like, I don't know what the hell they're even talking about. Yeah, yeah. We talked about things like SimCity, Civilization. Yeah, these are not small things. They are to a small mind. Yeah, I could go back and list them all out. I had no clue what half of the stuff was. What were you talking about? I love the rule that you gave Tony. you were like, you cannot talk about... And the only reason I know about this game is because Tony talks about it all the damn time. Yeah, that's why I banned it. Satisfactory. Oh, my God. Like that shit. I'm like, I don't know if they're talking about comedy. Well, that's why I banned that one. Because I knew no one would know about that. I know more than I need to know about that game just because of Tony. Well, Tony likes to play it, so he likes to talk about it. So, for those of you who have not listened yet, we're in a hell of a yet. That was a really good episode. You guys are hitting pretty good right now. I even did a build a bank that was very enjoyable, and Tony got a lot of pity points and pity votes there because you clearly won again. But right now you're just edging him. I think it's going to be over by the time this airs. Yeah, it should be done by – oh, I think it ends around midnight on Monday. Okay.
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    You're edging him a bit. He made a big mistake during it in my opinion. but well most of the i mean people write into me to let me know what i did wrong so do you think oh yeah no it's uh my biggest thing that the two things two statements were people who felt tony picking countdown meant that tony should win and there are others who told me uh like the like mr bruce nightingale who you still need to have and do an episode with at some point, who auto-disqualified me because I put Ghostbusters on the list. And he's not the only one who told me that they said the moment you did Ghostbusters, you lost me. It doesn't matter what my other five picks were. That was your first pick, right? It was. So I was auto-disqualified by some people the moment I did my first pick. Those people have no clue. When you started out of the gate with Ghostbusters and Jurassic Park by Data East, I thought, okay, theme sell. And this guy is about to win. I thought Jurassic Park may have been a mistake. I actually hadn't had anyone tell me whether Jurassic Park swayed them one way or the other. And then you picked Meteor. Meteor is the greatest Stern Electronics. Well, and that's why I was – all right. So as you may know, Bruce from Slamtail Podcast, he is a big Stern Electronics fan. Yeah. So like I do because I – You picked two of them. Yeah, I had Meteor and I had Galaxy. And so I wrote to Bruce because I saw he had voted for Tony, and I said, Bruce, I'm surprised that you would vote for Tony, even though I know Bruce is a big Countdown fan, because I have two Stern Electronics games, and he lives to shill Stern Electronics. Yeah. And he just said, Ghostbusters, Dennis. That's why you can't have my vote. No. It's not acceptable.
    33:52
    Yep. Not acceptable. Tony picked Safecracker. I've lost a lot of people who would normally support me. I don't know if Safecracker got Tony any votes or not. No, it didn't. He picked Safecracker when he didn't have to. Maybe.
    34:10
    No. It's a very expensive game, Zach. It's expensive for a reason, Zach. Yeah, if you want $9,000 to play the same game feeling that you get when you get a fucking piece of bubble gum for 25 cents and play when you're at the local convenience store. I don't know for those of you don't know they sell this bubble gum pinball machine that you flip around before you get your bubble gum and it's smaller and it feels very much like safe cracker because safe cracker is not that good do you know what I was talking about the bubble gum thing uh yeah I think they have one at pizza west actually yeah that doesn't cost nine thousand dollars I can tell you that much no it does not one of the things that you guys touched on that I want to talk about so you had a lot of shitty ideas so I'm gonna put that out there um a lot of shit that just wouldn't sell and nobody cared about but you had a golden idea you talked about and you can go into it a little bit an idea with pachinko like system up in the in the head i believe is that what you meant up in the head or is it in the backboard or somewhere well the idea was to do a shoot them up video game theme so what commonly called shmups and i we were thinking Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know that. I didn't know what you were talking about. It's a genre. It's a game genre. Shops. Yeah, like classic – in the old days in the arcade world, they were called shooters. But now shooters are first-person, third-person shooters like Halo and Call of Duty. But this is things like Galaga or – Oh, okay. Yeah, where there's some objects coming at you. Right. There's stuff. There's usually lots of enemies, and you're shooting lots of shots, and they shoot shots. and there's a subgenre of that genre called bullet hell where the screen is just full of shots and you usually have a really small hitbox and anyway sometimes people call them cave shooters because there's a there's a company called cave that specializes in this style but anyway so tony had brought up the idea of doing a shmup and i'd been thinking about that one beforehand uh you know just like years ago like wouldn't a shmup be a really cool idea and i think you could do a at hell and the to me the idea was you'd use pachinko balls and those are the enemy shots obviously they're smaller so you can have those go into places yeah you recycle them in some way that wouldn't impact the ability you know wouldn't drain your pinball but then that would obviously obscure the play field that would cause ricochet issues they could be released in stages and And yeah, the balls could either be involved in the head, like load them in the head, and then have some sort of like underneath a conveyor system where they're kind of – because I want a lot. Like rapid fire a lot? Well, yeah, exactly, like rapid fire. So you've got a regular pinball though, but I figured with pachinko balls, you could use a lot more of them. You could release some, like you could have vertical up kickers in certain places if you wanted to not involve the head of the pinball machine and just kind of fire them up and shoot them out of little cannons like Megatron on Transformers. Except it's just the pachinkos because you shoot a lot more of them. And the different modes could be different bosses. And so the timing, the firing patterns would change. And you're trying to make your shots, but you've got all these pachinko balls in the way. And I think it would capture the essence of a shmup, but in a pinball way. It was so cool to hear. And even hearing it now, it's such a good idea having, yeah, turning your shots, trying to get your ramp shot, but then you've got these damn pachinko balls firing at you and you hit one of them and it knocks it off its course and you're like, son of a bitch. You're like, God, get out of here. I thought it would be really cool when I was thinking, listening to you guys, thinking, now this is what would be cool online combat. you're playing somebody else if they hit correct shots they dump it on you almost like a dr mario or a something and we mentioned dr mario 2 or super puzzle fighter 2 which is the same kind of concept absolutely that would be cool then you get this flood of pachinko balls and you're like oh i'm screwed now like i'll never make my shots now oh that was a really good idea i think how fun all the owners would have when they turn on their game and it starts doing that honking 27 pachinko balls missing i have to find where it got stuck i just like the sound of those machines too like adding them up and stuff like a machine because uh like what hyper ball is is terribly boring but the idea with all the balls though was was cool visually cool so i think with like little pachinko balls and it's just you could have so many ways where it can you know it'll drain but it won't go in the pinball trough and you use a filter down there yeah yeah so because of the size difference i think you could i think you could do talk about dimples though whoa and i think i made a dimple joke about that too i was like oh gosh you guys and your clear coat concerns oh yeah stern better not do it they'll never hear the end of it right now jerry for multimorphic is like okay he's coding away on a pachinko oh that'll take a new module yeah that's what i'm I'm saying he'll find a way. So if pachinko wasn't fun enough, now let's talk about foosball. Boy, we are really digging here.
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    There was a recent post that I made on the Pinball Network. You guys got to follow us there on Facebook. Follow the Pinball Network if you're not doing so. It's a lot of fun. But there was a foosball documentary, a promo, that was shot and aired by ESPN, I believe. And it's going to air on ESPN2. but they gave a nice one minute promo about foosball foosball dennis well it it's popular well okay my point is if foosball can get some love pinball can get some love if you watch this foosball documentary promotional video you will see very clear that it has everything that i have been screaming and people have been poo-pooing me for doing i think i'm right no i don't think you're right i think i'm right it's just people have been criticizing your stupid like generic tin pinball machines they haven't been criticizing your idea one of the capstones of having characters and focus on personalities i haven't seen a bunch of i've heard some people i've heard some people act like what we've got right now what we're doing now is where it's at i think i don't think so do Do you not think we already have personalities in pinball?
    40:49
    Okay, I would answer it by saying I think we may have personalities. We do have personalities, but they're not being shown the way they need to. They're not being exposed. They're not being exploited. They're not being directed the way they need to. That's all I'm saying. If I was able to be a producer of any of this media, you would see me kicking ass, Dennis. It would not look anything like our current climate that we've got right now. It would look more like this foosball documentary that's actually getting some exposure on ESPN. That's what it would be. It would be characters loud, proud, shouting. That's what it would be. Because pinball is intense. Why can't we just show externally what we're feeling internally so that we can get some exposure and get more people in the hobby, get more dollars rolling through, get more competition? If these comp players want competition, they want this fun, we may have to drudge through a little bit of exaggeration a bit in order to get the benefits of what we're wanting long term. That's all. Well, but the competitive scene was growing until this year for obvious reasons. No, I disagree. Okay. You can't disagree. It's math. All right. You can disagree, and I can prove that you're wrong. Our ideas of growth are different then. Okay. If I set up a lemonade stand, and I sold a cup, and I continue to sell the damn lemonade, and I sell three cups five months from now. and you know what? 12 months from now, I sell three cups again. So we're steady. A year from now, I'm selling four cups.
    42:39
    My lemonade is shit at that point. Okay, math says it's growing, my sales, my exposure, but it's shit. It's not growing at the rate that you need it to grow if you're wanting to make a difference. Why don't you tell me what Pinball's current growth rate is and why it's not good enough? Qualitatively speaking, I would say, is it on ESPN?
    42:58
    Now there's a difference between pinball and the growth of the competitive scene and the fact that pinball as a spectator event is unwatchable. What do you mean? Elaborate. There are a variety of visual challenges that we have discussed before involving trying to watch pinball. If you look at pinball streams and how busy those screens are because it's so difficult to capture a vertical game on a horizontal display, foosball does not have that problem. Bullshit. It's the same orientation. No, you just shoot it sideways, just like football. Yeah, but you can play pinball sideways. That's a moot point. I would say to that when people – because I've heard those arguments.
    43:42
    Man, I've looked into this stuff. You're clearly not very well giving your poor arguments on growth and lack of any data, but go on. No, I'm correct when people say, oh, this lack of technology is the – you know what? you know my answer is that then we fucking fix it we find a way you hate all the fixes like the heads up stuff you hate all the fixes that is not an accurate fix that solves one of the problems which is the esoteric rules that change from machine to machine that the commoner can't understand foosball doesn't have that problem zach for football doesn't have that problem the rules are the same no matter the field darts darts is the same okay you're making a perfect point you're making my points are always perfect exactly and i've been preaching it and you've been poo-pooing it you said the rules don't change that's why i want to standardize the rules of those championship one through ten series with 10 different games that's not standardized yeah it is 10 is a hell of more standardized than 300 a hell of a lot more but that's changing the spirit of pinball so we might as well just do heads up challenges because then we can have 300 and just explain a really simple rule set at the start of every match and the audience will understand i'm okay with some of the heads up if that was a compromise i'd have to make i i'm not saying you have to make that compromise i'm saying people have been trying to address what makes pinball what i broadly consider is what makes pinball unwatchable and i i think that might set some people off a little bit. So let me go in and clarify because I know a lot of people stream. You stream. I stream. We all stream for pinball. And there's some very successful pinball streams. But I think in most of those instances, people are tuning in to the personality. That's where I would agree with you about the character thing. They're turning in to watch the personality, not really to watch the game. No, they're chatting. And even when they're watching the game, by and large, most of the people that are in the audience are already into pinball. So it's not really growing it. In fact, I had someone message me. I think it was Travis Murray actually with the analytics of the last six months. I think it was six. It might have been the last year of Twitch and those streaming under the pinball channel and the overall viewership numbers.
    46:02
    There's not like significant growth there. That's what I mean by – There's been a lot more streamers, but there's not been – the audience has not been like skyrocketing. I mean, it's just divided into – I can't remember if it was flat or it was just having moderate growth. I don't remember. So I don't want to put the wrong data out there. But it wasn't impressive. That's my point. Yeah, that's – I don't know. And a lot of people don't want that. I just – I think creating like a type of committee or a type of thing and then try to get some resources and present, put together some type of pitch to what pinball could look like. I think that's where the answer is here because we're just stagnant here. Pinball wants it. I remember when we heard about how ESPN shot pinball stuff for the Ocho and then it didn't air and then I heard that the pinball people had asked it not to air. They didn't want it to air. So if those in quote unquote charge don't want this then I mean if the hobby's not unified then We need to create a subgroup then of like – which never works, but like the NFL, the XFL. They want to do things differently. Well, I used to think we had that with Papa and IFPA, but now they don't. That's a good point. But it doesn't feel that way to me anymore. When I first got into pinball competitive pinball the way I used to describe it to people is I felt IFPA handled a lot of the organization of the local small events and Papa was the one running the big circuit stuff And now it just feels like IFPA does everything and Papa just Pinberg Yeah. And I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm just saying that it doesn't feel like they're two actual different entities with different visions for what they want to see out of competitive pinball. And maybe it's good that it's unified because it's a small hobby. I don't know. But I used to feel like there were two different voices, and now I feel like it's the same voice. I try to think of what the motive is for the hobby. And I can see your argument as well as other people's. Maybe pinball doesn't care to be there, and that's fine. For the hobbyist, for the competitive pinball player, I can see them not wanting to put in the time and efforts to make this thing more expansive and more large. But I can tell you right now, the people with some resources in this industry are those that should want to make this bigger, the manufacturers. If I'm a manufacturer, I want to do whatever I need to do to make this thing gain 10 times the exposure.
    48:39
    Most of what I have heard on the competitive pinball side of wanting more growth in competitive pinball, however that's defined, be it an audience growth or player growth or whatever, is mostly driven by the desire to up the prize pools that they can win. Okay, that's fine too. That's the one I'm familiar with. Yeah, and I can see competitive players, instead of wanting to win a couple hundred bucks, to win $50,000 in a new car or to win whatever it may be. To get to that gamer-like level. Not all the way to the gamer, but to get more recognition like that. If foosball can do it, damn it. Pinball can do it. We're just not trying hard enough. The gamer thing, it's interesting because it's one of the – sometimes when I listen to other podcasts, I'll hear them introduce people as professional pinball players. And I always kind of shake my head when I'm driving in the car listening to that because I'm like, there is no professional pinball player. No one makes their living at it. You can make your living at Fortnite.
    49:40
    Yeah. And maybe some people would like to be able to. Like if you were as good as Keith Elwin, maybe you deserve to be able to make a living just playing pinball. But you can't. you can't if it was entertaining it's there like look couple things big personalities big productions digestible sequencing short sequences games rules create a narrative what you want to tell the viewer that's where it's at long drawn out streams with changing of equipment that the viewer sees with no As a hobbyist, I like to watch it because I'm a pinball nerd. But if we're trying to grow this thing and expand this thing to the nth degree, it's going to take a hell of a lot more than that. And it can happen. But I don't think anybody's made the push yet.
    50:33
    No segue needed because this is a segment itself. It's going to be called, Hey, Yo, Dog, Pimp My Pinball. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, we broadcast a lot to you and yours. It's Mr. X to the Z exhibit. They're like, pin my ride from MTV with Eggs to the Zibbit. No one watched those MTV shows. Yes, they did. No one listening. Obviously, there were people that watched. Listeners watched Pin My Ride. Well, judging from your Cribs thing, no.
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    I'm glad you pulled the plug on that. I didn't pull the plug. No, it's dead. It's just in the hay. No, it was good that you pulled the plug, but I understand that you don't want to admit that you had an idea that didn't work. The numbers were huge. We see the numbers. On Pimp My Pinball, we're going to talk about some of the new mods that are out that you can use to pimp your pinball machine. The first one up is really cool, and it made me think of this whole segment because this guy loved a mod so much, he added a mod to the mod, yo. he modded the mod of the pinball machine that's like putting a topper on top of a topper that's just stupid that's so cool no it's not top reception that would be a topper inside of a topper that's true damn it what's the semantics stumbler his name is stumbler we're already starting out good here stumbler on pin side updated the mod of swink's snack bar mod for creature from the black lagoon now i wouldn't ask you to be if you're familiar with a snack bar mod on creature you're not correct no okay well on creature swings did this and it's a classic mod at this point we're going to nominate it into the hall of fame of mods because it is a hashtag classic it was the snack bar sign that sits and it's lit always on it sits right above the snack bar scoop i think um it's just beautiful it's beautiful it's a big hit but what stumbler did he's developing right now a mod that is a penduino controlled mod that allows that snack bar lighting it looks like a neon sign to allow the scrolling and flickering of those letters that spell out snack bar so not only you get the beauty of the snack bar mod now you get it's scrolling like a real neon on light and flickering like it's turning on okay that's cool it's gonna be another must have yeah but how how could you with creature how's it gonna look next to all those lcd games i guess you can't i guess you can't have it oh well yeah you can if you're me you can have it because right now i've got six beautiful bally williams all sitting pretty maids lined up in a row and it would just go in that lineup you got to separate your lineups oh i see yeah yeah see like right now i got in tron legacy i got in uh star trek le and i got an acdc lucy got those all in on trade did they go buy my lcds no they went in their own little line now and that little line is in the studio. See? You separate them. Keep them all separate. You don't let your food touch on the plate, do you? That's one of the ways you can pimp your pinball. Look into Stumbler's new mod. Another way, everybody wants that Ghostbusters. Ecto-1 topper. Stern's done making them. I don't think they're going to re-up the license just to make a topper. So Arcadius Maximus, with a badass name in and of itself on pin side, he's programming and trying to build a kit that he can show people how to make their own ecto one topper for ghostbusters thank you arcadius maximus you're now part of pimp my pinball club use that on social media hashtag pimp my pinball let's see if that goes anywhere that would be a welcome surprise right ghostbusters topper people yeah i guess people like it they Sell for like $1,200 now. It's almost as if the Ghostbusters Echo 1 topper is going to start trending again. You know what time it is. Yeah. It's time for, like everybody driving right now and sitting and listening to this, they all just, their ears just perked up.
    55:08
    They're just waiting. They can't wait. The suspense is killing them. Creasel. Pimba! I'm Mark and Tim!
    55:21
    Back with you, back with you, back with you, back with you. Oh my gosh, training up this week. Did you guys miss me? Listener? Did you get a little red sauce on your shirt?
    55:36
    Premonition. I didn't get too many premonitions. Training up this week is not premonitions. Training up is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I'm a broken record. I get it. But if you go to the Pinside Top 100 right now, guess what? just reached number one status tmnt pro stern pinball 2020 suck it y'all 9.060 significantly higher than the number two plebe of a game in medieval madness has the thread been created yet to get people to go and crash it back down that happens every time it does it's a it's very Pinside's very consistent about how the top 100 feels when interlopers move in.
    56:22
    TMNT. So money-wise, not much of a secondary market here. They're holding steady from a money or financial perspective. But the trend here is that it jumped all the way up, and it's a pebbly pro.
    56:37
    How about it? Peasant pro. Well, you know, I'm hearing a lot of people like the pros because there's been some reports of some mechanical challenges with the premium LEs, and the pros avoid that. Turning down this week is TMNT diverter issues. Node board problems. Oh, come on, Stern. Help a guy out. I had somebody tell me, they were like, what's up with Stern? I called there, and they said the tech department is closed because of COVID. And I'm like, oh, shit.
    57:06
    So I'm trying. there's still if you guys are having an issue you still reach out to stern uh stern support via email or sending a message so you can do that and they'll respond back but we've been fielding some diverter issues on the premium le's well i can't say the premiums because they haven't started producing or shipping those yes so the le's we will get it taken care of also trending down this week is having sellers actually give their fucking price on a pinball machine that they're trying to sell you you complained about this like two episodes and it just keeps happening what is the problem hey zach will you take something in on trade sure what do you find the value is of it nothing hey zach i'm looking to sell this pinball machine would you be interested in it yeah sure what's the price well it's got this this this and this okay great what's the price well if you see here it's got this this you might want to okay what's the price well it probably isn't a good fit for you because mother i just want the price give me the price so that i can tell you if i would like to buy it or not just think if you had to buy your milk that way dennis i'd like some of that milk but it doesn't have a price tag on it oh well you know that uh that milk came from a cow uh great i just want the milk how much does it cost well it doesn't cost a dollar but it doesn't cost a thousand dollars you know what fantastic please i want to buy your milk how much is your milk well this this milk was pasteurized um a couple months ago it's fresh milk and it came from a cow named cletus do boy cows can they is that a girl cow thing why are you asking that I don't know. Have you seen Kingpin? I just named a cow. You gave a cow a bull's name. Okay, so boy cows are bulls and girl cows are? Cows. I just didn't know because chickens are, what's chickens? Chickens can be boy but not a rooster, right? I'm so confused.
    59:15
    Right. I did take graduate level biology though. You did. Hens and cocks are chickens. so there's a cock and a and a rooster a lot of people refer to cattle as cows but cows are female okay i grew up in the country too so that's really sad the point being if you want to sell your game please just give the price that's how this works it's a transaction here's the price of it are you interested yes or no i am not but thank you i am but thank you here's a compromise i'd give you this that's how a business deal works now i have done important research so we can now fully understand cattle because they have even more terms okay long so a bull male cattle able to breed steer male cattle that has been castrated and cannot breed cow female that has had at least one calf. Heifer, female than has had not had a calf. Okay. There. Okay. The more we know. Some are dairy cows, some are not, I guess. So I would be a steer. I also see a notation, and this is from a Hoenn Bend farm, that no cattle are named Cletus.
    60:37
    Ever. No one's ever named one that, and no one ever will. It may actually be a violation of agricultural law I'm over here jerking off a male cow Thinking it's going to give me milk Oh my god That was my kingpin reference I know I love that movie We got a bull Oh man Sorry so if you're looking to sell a machine Just put the price of it Thank god We have no viewer trends this week But we do have one hell Of the deal of the week Buy buy buy Action The deal of the week this week comes from Rochester, New York. No, it's not Slam Tilt Spruce. Isn't somebody up in Rochester? Yeah, yeah. Is he Rochester or East Rochester?
    61:26
    So yeah, Lodging Dolphin. He's a good guy. Do you have a dorsal fin? Love me some James. He's ready to already trade or sell his TMNT LE. And we know that they're training up. He likes to lay out. Just not a big fan of the rules right now. He's willing to trade for a Deadpool LE. He'd also consider a Star Wars. Ooh, smart man. I like that game. Or Batman 66. Ew, James. The game is basically new. It's got low plays. I know. I sold him the machine. $8,900 Oboe? People are trying to sell these things for like $10,000 by Christmas. That's a hell of a deal of the week. Buy, buy, buy! These things are gone, Dennis. That's how LEs are. They'll have this thing sold by the day of this airing. Probably before the episode comes out, so you'll have wasted everyone's time.
    62:18
    Another deal of the week this week is from Maffewell, Maffewell, M-A-F-F-E-W-L, out of Louisville, Kentucky. He makes a cool little mod for Deadpool. Listen up, Dennis, because you'll own a Deadpool at some point. The left ramp on Deadpool has a plastic that is notorious for breaking. It always breaks. You can get the, I think Stern will give you another thicker, clear plastic that you can use to protect it. But Maffle, out of Louisville, has created a really cool art ramp cover that shows the chimichangas and the Deadpool. It's $15, you guys. Buy, buy, buy! It's neat. You've got to go out and buy it. It's a deal of the week because it's a product that's the solution to a problem. And does so by looking good. Buy, buy, buy! Man, you have to admit, Dennis, you're not much of a mod guy. But if you are going to put a mod in, there's nothing better than a mod that fixes the aesthetics and the functionality of a game. Sure. When the people speak, Dennis, I answer. And they just can't get enough of Deals of the What the Fuh?
    63:24
    This week's deal of the WTF is right outside of Champaign, Illinois. You guys knew I was going there. Hop along the shady bus because we're going to the University of Illinois. I don't know if it's close there, but that's where she's going. So this is from jcush18.
    63:43
    I've had a little run-in with jcush in the past, and this doesn't surprise me at all that he has this listing. It's for a Rick and Morty Bloodsuckers edition. The price? $20,000 is what it says. It's like Lennon said, you look for the person who will benefit and, you know, you know what I'm trying to say. I am the walrus. Now, if that wasn't sketchy enough, you go ahead and you click on the ad and it says check out this eBay auction. That fucking bitch. Oh, yeah. I am the walrus. Shut the fuck up, Donnie. the i-linen vladimir ilyich ulyanov offered it in no reserve highest bidder wins so then from penside's 20 000 which was a false price to the link that then goes to another website for ebay so he's using penside to filter people to an ebay auction that makes me fucking sick well what do you care, Walter? Those rich fucks. This whole fucking thing. I did not watch my buddies die face down in the muck so that this fucking strumpet, this fucking whore could waltz around town. Well, there is a literal connection. Walter, face it, there isn't any connection. Now, is this what the fuck for Jay Kush or is it for the moderators at Pinside for allowing this to happen? My point is... Are you ready to be fucked, man? I see you roll your way As of this recording, there are 69 bids and it's up to 10,200. If you go into the thread in and of itself, you'll feel the tears of Jay Kush as he said that he's taking a big risk here. He could just fall on his face and not even get what he paid for this machine. He knew what he was going to get. Woe is me. it's a deal of the what the fuck there i'm the one taking the risk here are you are you so you know what twenty thousand dollars i am i'm all about flipping if you want to flip a machine you go ahead and flip a machine doesn't bother me at all this is it's you know it's capitalism baby you do what you want to do the the the wtf here ladies and gentlemen is that well number one the guy tried ripping me a new asshole when i was trying to sell my pirates of the caribbean for more than MSRP even was used as a collector. I was trying to sell the thing. He ripped on me personally. Oh yeah, this typical Zach Minney doing Zach Minney. Fuck you. But second, I have a deal. I have an issue with using Pinside to try to filter people over to eBay. Pinside Marketplace is not used for an auction-based sale. They say it all the time. You can't just offer a pinball machine up for sale and say, all right, highest offer. Here's the form. No. someone would have to report the listing though for the moderators to for sure see it but it's a mixed bag here he's got 21 down vote or 33 down votes 12 up votes yeah see I'm not arguing with him wanting to if he wants to sell for 20,000 sell it for 20,000 don't put an ebay link for a no reserve auction you can't have it both ways you can have your lemon glazed donut but you can't eat it too lemon me we're gonna I'll fuck you up. Yeah, well, you know, that's just like your opinion, man. You know, in the Google about the cows, there's people also ask things. And one of them, it says, can you eat a female cow?
    67:36
    What sort of question? No, you can't. They're pure gristle. They don't have meat on them. what sort of question is this they're a milk balloon they're pure gristle they have no meat on them they're just blobs of fat they can't actually walk they're not really cattle in the conventional sense that's a weird question it is I'm just surprised that it showed up on that apparently there's also is beef from male or female cows no we have beef cattle and we can't use half of them it's almost as dumb and idiotic as me not knowing the difference can you drink milk from a beef cow no you can't it's bullion and it will kill you it's pure bullion that's where you think bullion cubes come from when you milk when you milk a beef cow those cubes just pop out i like adding those beef cubes to my uh my green beans do you do that i like adding those to the green beans maybe that's just a southern thing are cows friendly no they're known to kill more than sharks i don't know why don't you ask cletus what does it mean if a cow licks you it means you have covid obviously that means Calvin you should not scroll down here this is making me very angry that these are very stupid questions I know now what you're going to do for the rest of the evening you're going to respond to Yahoo Answers so that was one of your deals with the WTO I'm just picturing Cletus the cow answering the question of whether he can be eaten or not he says yeah deez nuts why'd he turn into a whale okay alright so you okay with this rick and morty link that sends you over to ebay no i mean if i saw it i probably reported it if i thought about it i actually don't look at the the just like look at the sales ads usually i only see if i one of the games i'm watching for i get one of those email alerts yeah that's so i mean i wouldn't have ever seen it really i see it just because i thoroughly review and research all of the sales uh in the marketplace as well as facebook and and craigslist and everything else so that i and have the most up-to-date researched market analytics for our listeners here at the Pinball Show. Numbers don't lie, Dennis. Okay. That was your Pinball Market Trends. Calvid edition. Oh, my God.
    70:20
    All right, Dennis, let's get into another segment. One that's tried and true here on the Pinball Show. We call it the Pinball Show's Most Valuable Player.
    70:30
    you know what i thought would be fun for us to do you and i tuned into geek word games twitch stream he had done on his stream before what were they called like battles or something well uh he's uh he's involved with a podcast called geek fights and they do they do versus It's kind of like a this or that. Right, right, right. Where they've done things like Super Mario Bros. 3 versus Super Mario Bros. World. Ooh. Or a couple of – I think they did a couple of cartoons at one point. Mm-hmm. So just anything that geeks might be able to argue over. So that's why I was – Who should do that? Does anybody else do that really? Well, I mean – We did this or that on Straight Outta the Middle. Yeah it akin to this or that sort of stuff Oh yeah some people do special one lit did Drain It or Save It Yeah Drain It or Save It There we go But that was more positive one question Well, a lot of people have their own twist on the concept. I mean the concept of versus is nothing. Yeah, it's not new. This is – well, what is it that – maybe you can answer. What is this with pinball people so obsessed with getting credit for an idea that they don't execute on or that they do execute on but it's a common idea? Like, what is this? I get prickly about some things whenever they're you. You do. That's why I'm asking you. Well, I thought you were referring to other people. I am as well. I see it in all sorts of stuff like, oh, I want credit for being the first. It's almost like they don't say it like that, but it's almost like, hey, I want to be credit because I'm the first person who came up with. It's like, first of all, almost every idea I've heard in this hobby, especially when it comes to topics, has been done in another hobby already. So you're not special. And second, a lot of the times where I really get confused is when someone has the idea, but they never do anything with it. It's like action is everything. The idea is nothing. That's no shit. God. Ideas are a dime a dozen. I'm sorry. Hey, I said that I'd like to do that one day. Oh, then piss off. You should have done it. It's just – yeah. I mean it's like I mentioned before thinking if I had the time and had access to like corporate memos, I'd love to write a book about the rise and fall of Premiere. If someone writes a book about Premiere Pinball, I have no ground to write about that. I didn't do it. You're not going to be like, wait a minute. I didn't do it. So I just – I get so confused at that. It's like – My point is we should do one because you and I were coming up with some – you mostly. We're coming up with some pretty cool this or that or battles or nerd battle or fights or whatever. Yeah, yeah. They hadn't had an episode in a couple months, so I was trying to give him ideas on ones they could fight about. Like I want him to take the ideas and use them because I'm not – I haven't been doing them. You had a lot of good ones, but my favorite one that I thought of was Better Damon Wayans movie, Blank Man or Major Pain. I haven't seen either of those. Oh my god. See, you and I can't do any of that kind of stuff. We don't keep the same shit. We don't watch the same shit. We don't listen to the same stuff. We are totally different. Yeah. But we love pinball. And we love one another.
    73:52
    Let's do some MVP. Okay. As a reminder to the listener, on the pinball show's MVP, we randomly select using Siri out of the top 100 on Pinside a pinball machine and Dennis and I each give our most valuable player award to one of the creators on that said game. Hey Siri baby, choose a number between 1 to 100. The answer is 98.
    74:18
    Did she say 19-8? 98. Such an uppity voice. 98. Okay, very timely here. Number 98 on the Pinside Top 100 is High Speed. Now, what we know about High Speed is that this game was heavily featured on the recent episode of Silver Ball Chronicles here at the Pinball Network. They talked about the mullet years of Steve Ritchie. We know that he's the designer of this game. And Larry DeMar helped with some design as well, but Larry DeMar is mostly known for software, so he got the nod for software. And it looks like there's a mixture of the music was, Richie does a lot of the musical composition. And then Bill Perot or Perid did the music. Some of the sound, Eugene Jarvis, Larry DeMar and Bill Perot or Perid. And then the artwork, Mark Springer and I think you said Dennis the Backglass of Spithon Angelo. Yeah. Okay. So we got a couple of known people. What are your thoughts regarding this game and who you're giving the MVP to?
    75:30
    Well, this is an interesting one because there were so many firsts. So I'm going to actually give it to Larry DeMar for the programming.
    75:43
    You've passed up Steve Richie now twice. It's a good game. And Steve deserves a lot of credit for it. I mean, first pinball machine to tell a story. We've heard the tale ad nauseum about that. But, I mean, software-wise, just thinking about this. So it's the first pinball game that Williams had that was using the alphanumerics that had to be programmed for. Larry had to do that. Good point. It played a complete song. Okay, the composition goes to the music guys, but that it played it. I give credit to Larry. Have it coming now. It was their first game that did auto-percentaging. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. So for replay. So that was a big deal to operators. So again, Larry coded that in. And the progressive multi-ball jackpots. This was the first for that, too. That would carry over from game to game. Competitive players don't care for that. But as a feature that's exciting from a casual perspective, Larry DeMar programming it. So yeah, the layout's good. But Steve, I think, did better with this layout on Getaway, though. That'd be where I'd be more inclined to recognize. Because I just, to me, well, this is kind of like that first time he has that upper right flipper. I don't love how it feels on this game, though.
    77:05
    And then the only other, the sound doesn't stick with me. So I wouldn't really talk much about the sound and music, folks, unfortunately. On art, I actually do like the play field artwork. I hate the back glass, though. I'd never pick that up. See, flip it for me. I like the back glass composition, but the play field, so drab. It's like, calm it. You're looking down. Yeah, but all play fields were kind of like, at least this felt like you were on a road, and that's what I really like. My problem with the back glass, this is MVP, not LP, or LVP, excuse me, is I don't understand why it's from the perspective of the cops. when you're in the story as the guy getting away from them. So why are we looking from their perspective? And second, the cop on the left looks like he's Hannibal Lecter and is wearing someone's face as a mask, and it creeps me out.
    77:58
    So no. Hello, Curtis. I've never – this is like Python in full rebellion mode or something. I don't like it. Okay. So Damar. Damar is my MVP. You're giving it to Larry Damar. Yeah. No, there's so many firsts, and almost all those firsts are on the software side. I can't give it to Art. I can't because I'm with you. You could, you just won't. Yes, correct. Python, I like the back glass-ish, but he did a much better job on taxi. So just by default there, it's not his best work. Mark Springer, I don't know a lot of Mark's work, unfortunately, but if he did anything, I think it was a cavalcade of different artists because the side art was very much cabinet art. It's different than the back glass, which is very much different than the top-down direction that they took art on the play field. So art's out. Music, it doesn't ring a bell to me. Yeah, I think you probably know Mark's art best from Bram Stoker's Dracula.
    78:57
    Okay. He's responsible for the whole art package for that. And that's an art package that grows on you more so than stuns you from the beginning. So now, Mark, you're going to get a pass here. The sound, I like the sounds in this game. Hit the flipper button, you're revving up that I like the walkie-talkies that tell you that they're coming to chase you. I like that. 789, we've got a pursuit. I like that. But that would be, I can't argue with your Larry DeMar MVP.
    79:32
    But for most people in pinball, if I said, what is the earliest pinball machine that you remember that Steve Ritchie did, they're going to say high speed. No, they're not going to say firepower. They are. Sure as hell aren't going to say Superman. They're going to say High Speed. No, they won't. They will say Firepower. If I asked a lot of people, what's your favorite System 11 game of all time, a lot of them will probably say High Speed.
    79:58
    That's what I would say. That or Radical. But I've got to go with Steve Ritchie here. If this is the first time that he gives us his signature on a pinball machine and that carries over from different games to different games that become beloved, that we love as much as we do in this hobby, if it started, if this is the etiology, if this is the genesis of that, then damn it, that deserves my award for most valuable player. Steve Ritchie, ladies and gentlemen. He is the third flipper man.
    80:31
    It's often duplicated, but never replicated. Is that how it works? Often replicated, never... You fooled me once. Shame on me. You fooled me twice. Well, you're not going to fool me again. Steve Ritchie's the MVP here. Okay. Would you ever own a High Speed?
    80:49
    Yeah, if I got a good deal on it. It still holds up. Oh, yeah. You know, I've never owned a System 11. Oh, my gosh. How? I don't even know how that happens. Well, by the time I started knowing about them and wanting to get stuff, there's just people that scoop them up because once you fix them, You can sell them for well over what you put the effort in. So it's hard to get a project. There's just too much demand, even for the less popular ones. They're just so good. Most of them are just so good. Well, for the era, I think, but from a competitive lens, System 11 is one of the worst because they almost all had some sort of scoring exploit, like the progressive jackpot situation or lopsided mystery awards. And they got better, though, about like Williams usually like you can set Dr. Dude into a competitive mode where it still does mystery awards, but they're not as lopsided. I would argue that that whole era had similar issues. It wasn't just a System 11. The nice thing and what's really I think why they sell so fast is the prices of well until more recently, I suppose, but they stayed relatively low. So it was the best way to get an entry-level game where your rules were more complex than just earn points. But there was like an objective to try and do something. You're going for multi-ball. You're going for the jackpot in multi-ball. Yeah, yeah. Most of them had multi-ball. Most of them had you get some sort of – you do something, and then it would progress to a new mode, which would get you a new sound. Whirlwind, you're trying to do the awards. You're trying to get all of them so you can get the mega door bonus or something that goes through. You know, they had – Speech was in them. And, you know, that fell out of favor after the early 80s because they were trying to save money. So it's just – and Ramps. It was the first big opportunity to get to play games with Ramps. Yeah, good Ramps, not split level. Yeah, yeah, no, real Ramps. For me, it was the feel of the game because you can go to those earlier systems, but for some reason, maybe it's just my perception, for some reason, Dennis, The flipper feel, the mechanisms that they used in the System 11s for the first time, and they still hold up. They just feel really good. Maybe it's the materials. Are the flippers the same on the System 11 that they are? Williams did so many flipper evolutions. I wouldn't be surprised if they made a change around that time. They just feel good. I don't know. So that was the Pinball Show's MVP. We'll have to see what Steve Ritchie title it's going to take for Dennis to pull the trigger on a Ritchie MVP.
    83:29
    I'm interested to see once we do this about 20, 30 times, if there's a pattern in the MVP recipients. Sounds like work, so I don't think we'll ever do that.
    83:42
    That's number 24 for the pinball show. We are rocking and rolling. 24. That's two dozen. two dozen donuts it's also your favorite stern pinball machine yeah right it's actually a fun pin I like that game yeah I do like that game I've only played it once or twice it's not bad CSI is the same way it's not that bad it's kind of fun double dozen donuts you know what I noticed this is a pet peeve of mine how do you spell donut I think I typically spell it D-O-N-U-T. That's what I thought. But then David Dennis did the forward dough. Oh, like favorite. Yeah.
    84:28
    Savor. Yeah. Well, also some things like barbecue get spelled multiple ways. Like I usually just do B-B-Q, but some people do the bar hyphen B hyphen Q-Q-Q-U-E style. And I don't get upset with it. It's just, it is what it is. It's like judgment.
    84:47
    Isn't judgment, sometimes it has an E, sometimes it doesn't? I don't remember. I don't either. I don't remember. But the donut, he spelled out doughnut. It just seemed a little weird. Dennis, where can people find you? Oh, you can always reach out over with Eclectic Gamers Podcast. So eclecticgamers.com is the website, or you can go to facebook.com slash eclecticgamerspodcast or just email directeclecticgamerspodcast at gmail.com. It's a good program. I would recommend it highly. You can check me out on another highly recommended program called Straight Down the Middle of Pinball Show. It's a video YouTube series all about pinball and reviews and unboxings and all kinds of fun commentary there. You can reach out there specifically, email sdtmpinball at gmail.com. Or you can just email either Dennis or myself or any of the other individuals as part of the TPN network at thepinballnetwork at gmail.com. As a reminder to everybody, make sure to follow us on Facebook. David Dennis got us an Instagram going. How about that? I always forget about Instagram. Yeah, I think it's at the Pinball Network. That's some fun stuff on Instagram because some of the TPN streamers or podcasters or a couple of us will do what we're doing for that day. Or I'm at the grocery store. Hey, that guy looks like Brian Eddy. and take a picture. So it's some behind-the-scenes fun, like me having a whole pallet full of Star Wars toppers. Yeah, fun stuff. We're also on the Twitter now. I can tweet at you. I think we're at the Twitter. The Real TPN. I don't know about this Twitter, but we're there. So follow us. Make sure to follow us on there. What's going on at TPN this past week? Well, we did have a new Final Round Pinball podcast. They had Carl D'Angelo on. That was a really entertaining interview. I'm telling you, sometimes interviews don't entertain me. Carl D'Angelo really entertained me. He's just fun to listen to. Also, we had a Silver Ball Chronicles. The Mullet Years of Steve Ritchie. This is their second entry into the Steve Ritchie biography, pseudobiography, whatever it was. And just another pinball podcast. No more drama?
    87:08
    Or is there? Tune in to find out. I think it's episode six or seven of Joel's Just Another Pinball Podcast. We did have another submission of the top ten streamer clips. They're getting good. And then we did talk about it, and I think we've agreed to top ten clips of the month, of the year. Who knows where this thing's going to go. Dennis, what's happening this week at TPN? I think Silver Ball Stories is having an episode come out soon. Oh, that'd be nice. That would be very nice And otherwise I don't know Do we have a midweek planned Where's Craig Bobby Who knows Craig where you at I think he's on holiday again The star that burns twice as bright Burns half as long Oh You hear that Bobby I'm dying here I'm spinning my wheels I'm trying Maybe we'll get a Puppet Pals episode this week Oh Puppet Pals Damn it I've been craving Another episode of that Well our work goes into the pals I don't know what they have up their felt sleeves, but I'm ready to listen. Are puppets made out of felt? Seems like felt. They can be. I don't know what else they'd be made out of. Paper mache, maybe.
    88:19
    Socks. Why are your socks all dried up in spots, Dennis? If you're ready to buy a brand new pinball machine, you can call us at Flippin' Out Pinball.
    88:34
    New stern? Which one you wantin'? Turtle? If you bought a new Stern right now, Dennis, which one would it be? Probably be Elvira. Oh, gosh. Unfortunately, Elvira is too expensive for me. So it would probably be Jurassic Park. Jurassic Park, that's a good pick. Well, if you're ready to buy it, I can't say we got it. But call us and we'll let you know what's in stock, when it's coming. And as always, free shipping on brand new Stern pinball machines. How about that?
    89:00
    Hopefully the new JJP will be out soon. Taking interested lists for that. Get on the list right now. And if you want to buy an Escalera stair climbing hand truck, you've got it. Let's get you one out. 812-457-9711 or email me at Zach, Z-A-C-H, at flip, the letter N, out, pinball.com. I'm getting ready to, I think I'm going to re-skin my flipping out express, the van. What should I, yeah, I think I'm going to skin it to something. What should I skin it to?
    89:30
    I've got, hmm. A taco. You know what? I thought about a chimichanga truck. Hmm. We need y'all's help. You guys are still listening. That means you're a lover of the show. Do us a solid and go review us on your favorite review catcher. iTunes, we need a little bit of help there for TPN. Now, on the DB website, This Week in Pinball Database, they have specified. So you can specify the pinball show, not just the TPN, the pinball show. And I got to tell you, Dennis, last two reviews have been 5.0 ratings, and we need that. Why do we need it?
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    Because we fall in line. It's crap. It's not a good representation of where we really fall in the scheme of things. So I would just like a reflection of how people really feel. I'm going to start calling people out. I know who listens to the show and who doesn't. So if you listen to the show and you haven't reviewed us yet, I'm going to start calling you out. Like Todd here. Todd at the end of July said I really enjoy what Zach and Dennis bring to the table Zach is hilarious wow that's not very honest Todd I love you and Dennis counterbalances his exuberance with rational thought makes them for some entertaining exchanges and Zach's humor as it's revealed through various bits and added audio production is great I hope these guys keep doing it for a long time see why can't we have more of that well I'm not saying you can't I'm just saying that why would we need it well we don't need it we still create gold over here but it would be nice to hear it let me ask Jared W July 28th he'll tell you I always look forward to listening to the pinball show to get the current pinball news and talk Zach and Dennis do a decent impersonation of the odd couple oh is that what we're doing I guess The odd couple worked, didn't it? I don't think I ever saw it. We're like grumpy old men. I'll be Mathol and you'll be Lemon, I would think. They said we do a good job of covering different perspectives, the topics presented. Overall, good programming. Nice to see pinball content produced on a daily basis. Maybe that's just our impeccable work within the pinball network. Thank you so much, Jared W. And if you want to hear your very own review read here aloud live on the Pinball Show, submit now. Let's get to the top of that damn list. Top of the list has a podcast. It doesn't even podcast anymore. Come on, people. Let's do it. All right, Dennis, until next week, listener, thanks for tuning in. We love you. For Dennis Creasel, I'm Zach Minney. Always remember to list the sale price on your games and that foosball is completely identical in all ways to pinball. That's more entertaining shit. always practice safe pinball and maybe boy cows do have milk just not the milk you're looking for how does a bastard orphan son of a whore and the scotsman drop in the middle of a forgotten spot in the caribbean by providence impoverished squalor grow up to be a hero and a scholar The ten dollar founding father without a father got a lot farther by working a lot harder, by being a lot smarter, by being a self-starter. By fourteen they placed him in charge of a trading charter. And every day while slaves were being slaughtered and carted away with the cross of waves, he struggled and he kept his guard up. Inside he was longing for something to be a part of. The brother was ready to beg, steal, borrow, and barter Then a hurricane came and devastation reigned Our man saw his future drip, dripping down the drain Put a pencil to his temple, connected it to his brain And he wrote his first refrain, a testament to his pain Well the word got around, they said this kid is insane Man, took up a collection just to send him to this mainland Get your education, don't forget from whence you came And the world's gonna know your name What's your name, man? Alexander Hamilton My name is Alexander Hamilton And there's a million things I haven't done Just you wait, just you wait My knee was tinned, his father split Full of it, debt ridden Two years later, see Alex and his mother bed Written half dead Sitting in their own sick descent thick and Alex got better but his mother went quick moved in with a cousin the cousin committed suicide left him with nothing but ruined pride something new inside a voice saying Alex you gotta fend for yourself he started retreating and reading every treatise on the shelf there would have been nothing left to do for someone less astute he would have been better destitute without a sin of restitution started working clerking for his late mother's landlord Drink sugar cane to rob other things he can't afford Scan and thaw Every book he can get his hands on Planning for the future, see him now as he stands on The bow of the ship headed for a new land In New York you can be a new man