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Episode 11: The Classic Pinball Podcast - Road Trip to deliver a 1984 Eight Ball Deluxe

The Classic Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 11m·analyzed·Oct 1, 2019
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TL;DR

Classic Pinball Podcast hosts discuss 8-Ball Deluxe restoration and pinball podcast culture on delivery road trip.

Summary

George and Dave, hosts of The Classic Pinball Podcast, are on a road trip to deliver a restored 1984 Eight Ball Deluxe to a customer in Moultonboro, New Hampshire. They discuss the differences between the 1981 and 1984 versions of the game, restoration techniques (particularly Mylar removal and clear coating), and sidebar conversations about pinball podcasting standards, tournament play, and arcade history. George plans to play in the Space City Tournament in Houston in late November.

Key Claims

  • The 1984 Eight Ball Deluxe has approximately 1,500 units produced, making it smaller production than other versions

    medium confidence · George stated this during the drive segment discussing the restored 8-Ball Deluxe they're delivering

  • The 1981 Eight Ball Deluxe features artwork of a sinister cowboy with a pool cue, while the 1984 version shows the same cowboy smiling with a wedding ring

    high confidence · George provided detailed artwork comparison between the two versions during the podcast

  • Midway took over Valley (Williams) and began using video game-style cabinets with heavier trim edges for their pinball games

    high confidence · George and Dave discussed the cabinet construction differences between 1981 and 1984 versions

  • The 1980s Midway pinball cabinets used coarse-grade MDF wood that was not amenable to direct paint application, requiring white substrate stickers that were then painted

    medium confidence · George explained the manufacturing process for Midway cabinet artwork during the discussion about decal reproduction

  • There is no current market for reproduction decals/side art for 1980s Midway pinball games like Eight Ball Deluxe, Fireball Classic, and Kings of Steel

    high confidence · George stated he doesn't know of any company reproducing this artwork and wouldn't do it himself without a viable market

  • The Space City Tournament in Houston has 204 tournament slots with 52 people playing in four rounds

    high confidence · George stated the tournament registration details and that sign-ups begin the next day

  • George is planning to participate in his first-ever tournament at the Space City Tournament in Houston at the end of November

    high confidence · George announced his tournament participation plans and stated 'That's the first turn. I've never played in a tournament before'

  • Pinball Life supplies replacement side rails for vintage pinball machines

    high confidence · George identified Pinball Life as the source for side rails used in the 8-Ball Deluxe restoration

Notable Quotes

  • “The 81 version head has the sinister cowboy. He's holding the pool cue, looking down, and kind of looks sinister. The 84 version has the same cowboy, but now he's got a smile on his face...He was a grumpy cowboy on the prowl, and now he turned into a married cowboy, and he's got a happy life in 84.”

    George @ ~5:00 — Detailed explanation of the key visual difference between 1981 and 1984 Eight Ball Deluxe artwork, showing how Midway refreshed the game's aesthetic

  • “I don't really care. The only time I care is if they bought a game, then I want to hear what they bought and why they bought it.”

    George @ ~42:00 — George critiques the podcast convention of opening with personal weekly updates, referencing Canada's podcast critique about entertainment value

  • “I do best when I walk up to a game cold, don't know what to do, I kick ass doing that because there's no expectation.”

    Dave @ ~50:00 — Comment on tournament play psychology and the importance of relaxation over strategic preparation

  • “We've told you we're not professionals, and if you don't like it, don't listen. Turn the channel. That's it.”

    George @ ~56:00 — Response to online criticism about the podcast, establishing their stated ethos of informal, amateur content creation

  • “His number one is to be entertaining. Now, I think we have some entertainment value.”

    George @ ~42:00 — Reference to Canada's podcast philosophy and the hosts reflecting on their own entertainment approach

  • “I would never bring my Stargazer to a show unless I have, like, velvet ropes around it.”

    George @ ~65:00 — Comment on collector concerns about public handling of rare/valuable machines at shows

  • “As long as you keep that strip hot, it'll just come right off. The issue is afterwards trying to get all the glue off, but I'd rather play with that than lose artwork.”

    George @ ~26:00 — Describes the heat gun method for Mylar removal, showing the trade-offs between preservation techniques

Entities

GeorgepersonDavepersonBill DavispersonEight Ball DeluxegameCentaurgameThe Classic Pinball PodcastorganizationSterncompanyPinball Lifecompany

Signals

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Extended discussion of heat gun method vs. freeze spray for Mylar removal from vintage pinball playfields; George advocates for heat gun approach to preserve original artwork

    high · Multiple detailed descriptions of techniques, including sandwich clear coating method by Bill Davis for touch-up preservation

  • ?

    product_concern: Lack of reproduction decals and side art available for 1980s Midway pinball games (Eight Ball Deluxe, Fireball Classic, Kings of Steel)

    high · George explicitly states 'there's no company out there reproducing any of this artwork' and notes market viability concerns

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: Midway pinball cabinets of early-to-mid 1980s used coarse MDF with white substrate stickers for artwork application, different process than direct painting

    medium · George explains the manufacturing process and reasons for substrate-based approach on video game cabinet style

  • ?

    competitive_signal: George announces first-ever tournament participation at Space City Tournament in Houston, end of November; 204 slots, 52 per round, expectations to play unfamiliar games

    high · George states 'That's the first turn. I've never played in a tournament before' and details the tournament structure

  • ?

    venue_signal: Pinball show venue improving from previous location ('Mold Town'); George and Dave considering staying overnight rather than commuting for future attendance

    medium · Discussion of venue change and logistics for attending shows; mention of previous venue being unsuitable (mold concerns)

Transcript

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0:00
I'm so tired of crying, but I'm out on the road again. I'm on the road again. I'm so tired of crying, but I'm out on the road again. I'm on the road again. I ain't got no woman just to call my special friend. You know the first time I traveled out in the rain and snow. In the rain and snow Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the Classic Pinball Podcast. My name is George. We're on the road today going to the Lakes region of New Hampshire to deliver an 8-Ball Deluxe. And I'm here with my co-host, Dave. Hello, Dave. Good morning, George.
1:07
Where are we off to? We are off to Moultonboro, which is right near Laconia. On the lake, right? On Winnipesaukee? On the lake, yep. For those of you who are in Panama, that's the largest lake here in New Hampshire.
1:23
Nice area. Vacation land. A lot of people vacation up here. Vacation homes. So this customer reached out to me several months ago and looking for eight Bud Lux. And I just have a couple. But I had this one here that was about ready to go and just did my thing with it. Restore it up. It's actually the 84 version, which is a little different than the 81, but they're very close in form factor.
1:54
One of the notable differences is in the artwork on the cabinet side. The 81 has the mean cowboy or the black hat cowboy on it. That's the game you own. That's the one I own. Which is a beautiful game. You've heard me lament about that game before. I would love to own that game. The colors are so vivid and, you know, pop. That's a clear coat, right? Oh, that's a clear. That's a new old-style play field Bill Davis found for me. Then I said, okay, clear coat, and he did, and it's gorgeous. I'm sorry. You were saying? Oh, it's okay. Well, yeah, so as for, you know, that game there, 81 has the side art on the head on either side has a cowboy. Okay, so the 81 version head has the sinister cowboy. He's holding the pool cue, looking down, and kind of looks sinister. The 84 version has the same cowboy, but now he's got a smile on his face. He's a little bit lighter, not as dark, with the dark hat kind of thing, a little more lighter. And he's married. He's got a wedding ring on. So he was a grumpy cowboy on the prowl, and now he turned into a married cowboy, and he's got a happy life in 84. So three years made a difference in that cowboy's life, obviously. Okay.

  • Deadpool (by Stern) includes a sound package featuring throwback sounds from Williams video games from the early 1980s

    medium confidence · George stated that Deadpool 'have sounds of Williams video games back from the early 80s' and that people really like this feature

  • The original 1984 Eight Ball Deluxe being delivered came from The Complete Game Store in Waltham

    high confidence · George traced the game's provenance: 'The Complete Game Stir in Waltham' where it was originally sold

  • “I like to rent some kind of exotic car not just your usual Yugo. I like to fly.”

    George @ ~50:00 — Personal anecdote about vacation travel preferences, showing George's enthusiasm for experience beyond just transportation

    • The Complete Game Store
    organization
    Canadaperson
    Deadpoolgame
    Dino Discogame
    Flash Gordongame
    Space City Tournamentevent
    Fireball Classicgame
    Kings of Steelgame
    Xenongame
    Jackperson
    John Tothperson
    Tony Zizekperson
  • ?

    content_signal: George and Dave reference and discuss Canada's podcast critique about entertainment value, avoiding opening segment personal updates, and reducing focus on tournament talk

    high · Extended segment where George summarizes Canada's podcast philosophy and hosts reflect on their own approach to content

  • ?

    community_signal: The Classic Pinball Podcast received negative online comments calling them 'ill-researched' and using podcasts as filler between other content

    medium · George and Dave discuss troll comments without providing specific source; note characterization as 'gamma troll hater'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Discussion of tournament play dynamics: expectation vs. cold-play performance, relaxation as key factor, adrenaline management affecting shot accuracy

    medium · Dave notes he 'does best when I walk up to a game cold' and George agrees relaxation factor is critical for tournament play

  • ?

    design_philosophy: 1980s pinball artwork relied on limited color palettes (4-5-6 colors) for efficiency compared to modern multi-screen full-color playfield designs

    medium · George reflects on production methodology: 'they didn't want 900 colors on a play field, so it had to go through multiple screens. You know, time is money'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Modern Stern games (Deadpool, Dino Disco) being positioned for tournament rotation; collector-quality games rarely appear at public shows due to wear/damage concerns

    medium · George speculates on tournament machine lineup and discusses why collectors avoid bringing high-value games to shows

    • 3:14
    Any other differences in the two games? Yep, the cabinet is different. The cabinet is more a video game cabinet because Midway took over Valley at that point. Oh, that's right. Oh, okay. So video game cabinets, it's a heavier game. They use trim edge around all the edges of the wood. and they use video game... So it's like my Fireball classic and the Kings of Steel and all the other... Right, with a weird curve, kind of a curved head a little bit. Didn't we talk about this in one of our episodes with the decals?
    3:53
    I think we might have, yeah. They basically didn't want to... Well, no, no, no. I'm saying there's no company out there reproducing any of this artwork for any of those games.
    4:04
    Or am I having this conversation? No, you know what, they don't, you're right, they don't, none of those games are produced, all like the real painted games, you know, the... I think I might have done this on pin side, I don't remember, you know, it all comes together. That's right, if... But I don't know of a company, I have side art on my Fireball Classic that could use a better decal on the head, and if somebody made it, I would buy one in a second, I'm sure I'm not alone, even my Kings of Steel, the artwork on one side of the body or the cabinet was trashed again, there's got to be a market for that I couldn't be the only one that had art problems on those Midway games I know one guy who has an 84 8-bone Lux and he must have painted over the decal that's on there or something because it's kind of faded but the stencils, all he could find was the 81 stencils so he used 81 stencils with the Sinister Cowboy on his 84 but did he take the decals and everything off?
    5:13
    I don't think he did I think he just kind of lightly sanded or something maybe and just kind of painted over them I'm not quite sure I saw that I mean is there a collector's market for all that stuff?
    5:32
    I mean, you know, that would warrant somebody to do decals. Is there a big enough market where you could make money at it? I don't know. I don't think so.
    5:43
    Otherwise, I would have done it by now. They do decals for the more modern games, the Ram games, you know. Right, but those seem to be more collectible, don't you think? They are. So, we're going to stop at you've got to love this, people, if you don't live in New Hampshire or New England. At the rest area, we have the State Liquor Store.
    6:03
    Now, how good is that? That's three miles ahead. Do you have an easy pass? I do. You stay to the left. Oh, this one? Yeah, stay to the left. Okay, stay to the left. So you're going to get driving tips as we go along.
    6:16
    And didn't I talk to you about this thing the last time, Granite Woods? That was supposed to be like a, what's the thing down in Mansfield, Massachusetts? Great Woods. And the guy never got approvals for any of the stuff, and he's left there with a hunk of property and a big sign that looks pretty.
    6:33
    We always get that going for him anyway. Yeah, I don't think the town fathers really liked the guy. Enough of the travel and tourism. So where were we? So we're talking about 8th Ball. We're talking about all the Bali Midway games that went to decals on the side. Well, they manufactured decals, but I guess they made zillions of them. Pac-Man and all the upright arcade games, right? I mean, a lot of those you can buy decals for, can't you? Well, the wood they used for these video game cabinets was not really amenable to having artwork sprayed on them directly. They needed some kind of substrate. So it wasn't an MDF? I think it was an MDF.
    7:18
    Coarse grade, not like a finished grade? Exactly. Not like your IKEA furniture? No. So to apply paint to it wasn't going to work out too well. So they used basically a white sticker, and then they actually would paint the white sticker. So I'm pretty sure how it went is they put the stickers on all the wood. No. Then they sent it, yeah, then they sent it through and did it that way. Why wouldn't you make the sticker, you know, whatever the printing process is, and then die cut it and then just throw it on the cabinet? That seems like a lot easier. I don't know. Maybe back in the day, back in the early 80s, that's not how you did it. You're a half a mile. You're getting off. All right. You might. I can. Yeah, you're going to have to. I've got 20 seconds. Yep.
    7:58
    Hold on, I saw this in a cartoon once. Okay. Watch this. Yeah, that's my friend Tom's favorite phrase. And then the cops were behind us when we were 17 giving him a speeding ticket.
    8:13
    Oh, he's still good. Yeah, I think we're coming into the rest area, so I think we'll conclude and come back to travels with Dave and George. I've got some rants and raves I'd like to explore with Dave. And we're back on the road again. On the road again. Up Route 93 in New Hampshire on our way to a delivery with Dave of a, what is it again? 84 8-ball deluxe. There we go. I believe they made about 1,500 of these, I think, something like that.
    8:54
    So, smaller production than the other two versions, but a very nice example. And again, pretty much the same form factor as 81. Put new side rails on. It came out great. They also modified it to have original 81 flipper buttons versus the video game style flipper buttons that came into fashion in the early 80s. Who makes side rails?
    9:18
    The side rails came from Pinball Life. Huh. But they don't, again, to your point about not making stickers for this, you know, mid-'80s, ballys and so forth, they also don't make side rails for that stuff either. So I had to modify the game to accept the 81-style side rails. Were yours all dented up on top? Yeah. See, typically what happens is they don't know what they're doing back in the day. And they slam the head down. Some people did it today, too. They slam the head down. Well, that's got the hinge, right? It does. Which came later in, I don't know what the first game was. I have a couple like that. Well, let's see. 81, they had a lot of hinges. They had Fathom. I think Centaur, right? Centaur. I think maybe an 8-ball Deluxe, too. I always take those hinges out on any of these games. I like to make the game a smaller package to move, lighter pieces to move, better on your back. so head comes off, body, legs come off makes three nice pieces instead of one big heavy back-breaking thing that if you're 20 years old it's fine if you're a little over the 20 it's not quite as fine so did all that work to the game buffed all the metal, my usual thing and it came out as a nice showpiece plays beautifully originally this game came from years ago The Complete Game Stir in Waltham It was sold to a client of mine years ago, and he had it, and he was moving. He wanted to sell it, so I bought it off him, freshened it up, did a fresh resto on it, and now I brought it to the next level.
    10:51
    So the play field was good on this game? The play field was a nice original Mylar play field. Did you take the Mylar off? I didn't take the Mylar off. I didn't want to mess with that. The Mylar was in nice shape, and so I didn't want to mess with that. Because when you take myler off, you definitely take the chance of pulling paint and getting into a whole other thing. I believe we discussed this in our other episode, Centaur, where I took it off with heat guns.
    11:21
    But I did have... No paint loss? None. No, I did it with Jack and John Toth. And one guy would run the heat gun and two guys would peel and go nice and easy back and forth across the front and the back edge of the Mylar. And as long as you keep that strip hot, it'll just come right off. The issue is afterwards trying to get all the glue off, but I'd rather play with that than lose artwork. There's this stuff you can spray. Excuse me. I think it's called orange power that you spray on that residual glue that's on there, and it actually makes it all crumble up like gelatin.
    12:13
    It's still a process. And you take a credit card and you scrape it off there. It's not too bad. They made it, it's better than using like, you know, lighter fluid or some other people using lighter fluid or alcohol. It doesn't really touch it. Some people use. The freeze spray thing I just never got. The freeze spray works pretty well. It all depends on what kind of mylar they used, the glue and what manufacturer did it. So I've had, you know, good results with both methods.
    12:40
    No, there's people that sit on both sides, you know. Some people like one way and do it well and some people like the other way. I've done two or three and a little bit of lift, but it was, oh, here we go, an accident.
    12:57
    I had a little bit of lift on Xenon where they put some Mylar where they were trying to cover up artwork that was retouched. And, of course, you're going to pull the paint there.
    13:09
    Yeah, that's the only time I've ever experienced it. It's when somebody put it over artwork that was already trashed on.
    13:17
    Yeah, I find also when I'm pulling that mylar off, around any of the inserts, you'll get the key line inserts come off with you, because I think they get mashed so many times in the ball, going over those inserts back and forth, with the mylar just kind of, I don't know, almost like a rub-on transfer situation. So you're talking all the inserts, that highlighting around the inserts? Yeah, the highlighting, the key line, they call it. Right, okay. Did you get that, too, when you did yours? Yeah, no, I see. Yeah, like on Centaur, I believe that's probably the case. Yep, there you go. Now you have to go around and touch all those up, and you've got to mess with it, you know? Right, but that game was in really good shape. I mean, that was somebody's grail machine. They must have been in the business.
    14:06
    You know, to have that thing sitting at home in the shape it was, and like I said, that was the only game I ever bought that worked with a little tinkering. And I mean, Jack and John are both really good bolly techs. If it was 10 or 15 minutes, and it was something really dumb, and it was probably because they had moved the game so fast to get it the hell out of there that they upset something, but, you know, hey. My friend Bill Davis, the clear coat guy, nice guy, also did touch-up and so forth too. His method on that, when he's going to do one of these, you know, after, you know, I give him a strip plate filled with all the mylar and all the glue, whatever, cleaned up, is he will, you know, prep it and clear it first. Then he'll go and do touch-ups on the clear. Right. And then he'll make a sandwich. That's the right way to do it. Then if he makes any mistakes, he can get it off the clear. Right. And then he'll put a nice sandwich and put another clear on top. So if you look at it really carefully, you almost see a 3D effect when you go, like, getting your eyes checked. The optometrist, you see a little 3D effect. He touched up my hot dog, and that's the only one I have that's clear-coated. And he told me he did the same thing. But it's been so long, I can't remember where he did the touch-ups. So you really have, on that game especially, you really have to look hard.
    15:29
    You know, because of all the, you know, not realistic artwork, more cartoony, where everything's, you know, solid colors. A lot more solids than pixelated or blended colors. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. It's almost like cartoon candy color. Well, you look at today's play fields, any of them, the artwork is so real.
    15:58
    There's how many different screens that go to make that or however they print it onto the wood. I mean, you know, it used to be done traditionally, you know, as a silkscreen. I don't know if they still do, you know. I think that's part of the argument now of how these games, new games are being made. You know, what is the process of actually getting the artwork onto the wood? I think that's where a lot of this, I think that's where a lot of this lies. Yep, I believe, I think so too. The new paint or whatever it is and adhering to the wood and maybe the wood is different too. who knows, but there's something with that adhering of the paint to the wood and they made it clear to the paint is like a two-pronged situation that something's changed that they need to address at some point. We'll see. That's all still out and, you know, being talked about. Right, we talked about it. It's just, you know, you sit there and wonder what has transpired from old 40 years ago to today. and I think a lot of it is how that artwork is put onto the play field. If you look back, they didn't go crazy with the different colors that were on a play field. They wanted to keep it four, five, six colors, bing, bam, boom, out the door, you know. They didn't want 900 colors on a play field, so it had to go through multiple screens.
    17:26
    You know, time is money, right? Makes sense. Yeah, no, it was a lot more simple. and then, you know, obviously things get more complicated and obviously you can do a lot more because of the technology So anyway You want me to rant Yeah go ahead rant Give me some rant Okay so I started to listen to Kaneda I like Kaneda I don listen to podcasts too much but from the ones I heard you know they okay but I like him He got I don know he got fortitude There's a couple other words you could use.
    18:13
    You could get brass ones. Yeah, that would be one. But I'm late to the party, but we both are. I mean, he just turned 400 episodes, so I'm clearly late. But he was talking about podcasts, and obviously we're new to this game, and we're not professionals.
    18:33
    We've said that all along. But his number one is to be entertaining. Now, I think we have some entertainment value. Yeah, definitely. I mean, but we've said all along, I'm not doing it for everybody else. I'm doing it for ourselves. We're doing it for ourselves. Right. We always talked about it, you know, when we would have these phone conversations. We're like, wow, this is stuff we should talk about and let other people hear. Other people would enjoy this. Not everybody. This isn't for everybody, but a lot of people, yeah, they would. I mean, we're such a small segment of the market, but it leads me into one of his other I don't likes. And it's, don't start your show with talk about your pinball week. Yeah. I mean, every show that you listen to as a podcast, it's like, okay, well, tell me what you did this week. And it's like, okay. I don't really care.
    19:30
    It gives a rat's eye. Well, the only time I care is if they bought a game, then I want to hear what they bought and why they bought it. Sure. Other than that, I really don't care. The other one that he dislikes is tournament talk. Yeah, I agree. I don't like tournament talk either. Who cares? He's been there, done that so many times. There are podcasts that are built on that with tournament level players. Yawn. And all they do is dissect the playability and what's the word I'm looking for? basically the strategy of how to play all different types of pinball. Plunge the ball and use your flippers. Yeah, we get it. Right. Where, you know, you've heard me rant and rave, hey, I'm just going to war on the game. Yeah. There's no strategy. It's like just kick it and let's see where the cards lie. Speaking to that, I do best when I walk up to a game cold, don't know what to do, I kick ass doing that because there's no expectation. Once you put expectations on you, I need to do this, I need to do this, that puts a lot of pressure on you. And unless you're really trained on how to get rid of that and relax anyway, that adrenaline starts flowing and you start missing shots. If you don't have any expectations, just play for fun. Well, you're leading it to so many different people talking about that when they do tournaments. It really comes down to the relaxation factor. Exactly right. And if you go into it with no expectations, and that leads me to, you're going to hear about it once, and it might only be once. I think I told you I'm going to Houston. I'm going to the Game Room Expo or whatever the hell the thing's called, the end of November. And obviously Houston is, well, maybe not obviously, Houston's underwater. They had, did you hear this, 43 inches of rain in 72 hours. Oh, was there a big boat coming by with some animals and an old guy with a beard? No, they didn't see that, but Imelda, I guess, was the name of the tropical storm. So those people got punched again, and it's really too bad.
    21:39
    I've never been to Houston. I've been to Texas once. I'm looking forward to it. But long story short, I'm, oh, that's tomorrow. Tomorrow is the sign-up for the tournament. And they only have 204 slots, 52 people playing in four different rounds with the finals on Saturday. And I think it's the top 16 or 24.
    22:07
    I forget. But I'm going to play in it. That's the first turn. I've never played in a tournament before. So I'm hoping I get a bid in. And we'll see how I do. All right. So talking about going in cold, that's what made me think of it is, I don't know any of these games. Now wait a minute, these are all new school games, old school? When I shut off the podcast, I'll look at the list and we'll come back and we'll talk about it. Do you have any idea what they are just off the top of your head? Do you have any kind of feeling of what they are? I think one of them was Flash Gordon that was going to be in there, and I liked that game. That's a good game, tough game. No, but I'm up for that. I've played it, so I'm down.
    22:49
    I'm hoping there's some classics, but you know they're going to have the latest and greatest. They'll probably have Dino Disco and whatever else. Dino Disco, that's a great new game by Stern, I think. Yeah, that one, and they'll probably have Dead Drool. That'll be there. Dead Drool, yeah. And what else?
    23:08
    I do like Deadpool. I like how Deadpool did a throwback to the sounds of Williams. I have not played it, so I shouldn't. I should pass judgment. It's a fun game, and they have sounds of Williams video games back from the early 80s. That's the sound package, and it works. People really like it. It's a good throwback. But it's going to probably be that. I don't know if they'll have a Munsters in there. I'm sure they'll have an assortment of games. It's the, what the heck do they call it? What is Houston called? The Rocket City? Rocket City Tournament? Space City, I think. That's the name of the tournament. Space City Tournament. Space Out Tournament. No, Space City. Oh, that's a different one. That's the one in California. No, that's the one in California. Okay, right. Right.
    23:50
    Oh, boy. And you wonder why people listen to us. I know I listen. Anyway, so I'm going off. I've got a couple more. He said that, and this is the one that bugged me, the history of pinball. Now, do you think we do a show on the history of pinball? Sort of Yeah we do a little bit So don't listen If you don't want to hear us talk about Games in their entirety And with other stuff Then don't listen Some people like that why do they have the history channel Why do you think that's so popular You have a lot of not the games we've played You know We have a lot of knowledge here that the younger generation Does not have because we've been through it You mean like about Foreign cars Yeah, like foreign cars, you know. No, I do know, but I'm not going to say. You want to say what's going on? No. You know, Germany versus England? No, I know that Jaguar is owned by an Indian company. I know that. India? I thought it was Belgium. Well, no, they're made in England, but the company that owns them is from India. Oh. Right. But I only know that because my buddy worked for Jaguar, owns a beautiful 67 XKE that was in Jaguar's headquarters foyer for years. Think about that. That's how nice this car is.
    25:25
    Valued, he thinks it's valued at over a quarter of a million dollars. Very nice. So they were owned by Ford at the time. Well, Ford exited that and sold the brand, and he was out of a job. He's a great tech.
    25:41
    Great automotive guy. I drove a Jag out in California, California Extreme back in 2003, way back when. I rented a Jag out there. I believe going on vacation is not just where you're staying and where you're going to, but the method of transport. So I like to rent some kind of exotic car not just your usual Yugo, you know I like to friendly you mean like when Janice and I go on our our long trips and we rent The Dodge Caravan because we can throw our crap and all that works for that this functionality I like to this flight of California rent a nice Jaguar sports car or rent Or the last time we're out there had an Audi a8 very nice car so choice get so cavernous try to reach the back to get some luggage while you're driving or whatever or the wife is and you can't quite reach back there. I remember the guy was talking about Kenny Graham. He used, because he was a tech for, an in-house tech, so if one of the dealers had an issue with one of their new cars, you know, Ken would be the guy on the line basically saying, hey, here's how the car's put together, yada, yada, yada, this is what you want to try. He used to get some wild cars to drive home, and I remember this. I can't even describe the color blue It was like the color of Cobalt? Of ocean water Convertible Driving around the Jersey Shore That sounds It was a one off That color was never used It was some experimental color And he had the car I don't know where that car But he used to have some wild cars That was a good time when he worked for them So anyway, we shouldn't be doing the history of pinball according to Canada. Oh, the history of cars then. Jaguar. No, I don't know anything about them other than Kenny's car. Me neither.
    27:40
    Here's one. We broke this rule day one. Don't box yourself in. He was saying, and he does it whenever he feels like it. and we've had, what, over a month hiatus, and now we're going on a recording binge again. Yeah, I think it's great. Well, we fit it in when we can, and we cram as much as we can in, and then you leave me with going through and editing this nightmare and trying to make it somewhat coherent. Sure. Let's talk about the jerks online.
    28:18
    The jerks online? Yeah, what was the thing they said about us? I can't believe it. That we were ill-researched and that I only listened to them as filler between other podcasts. Sounds like a troll hater. Yeah. Actually, a gamma troll hater, but it's okay.
    28:35
    I didn't like that. No, you know, he played it like himself, so he stuck with it. Because we've told you we're not professionals, and if you don't like it, don't listen. Exactly. It's pretty much our mantra. Turn the channel. That's it. This is old school talk. We pepper it with some of the new stuff. We could talk about that right now if you really want. Turn on your regular tournament podcasts. I mean, this whole Elvira thing that's out again.
    29:07
    What are her games? I'm not even sure. I think she's Scared Stiff. Right. That's the first one? What's Elvira and the Party Monster? Yeah, so let me think. Is that being remade, or am I thinking of some other... Which came first, the chicken and chicken. Oh, Monster... Is there a Monster Mash or Monster... There's a Monster Bash, but she's not... Oh, that's the one that's being redone now. Yes, but she's not part of that. I get them all. How many monster... I mean, there's a handful of monster themed.
    29:36
    Anyway, so Scared Stiff, that's the only one she ever did? And she did... Elvira the Party Monster. And now you got this new thing. I think Elvira the Party Monster is... Of course, now we're going to be ill-informed and whatever, but you know what? I'm driving. I'm not looking it up. Sorry. But I think Elvira, EPM they call her, Elvira and the Party Monsters, versus Scarcity. Oh, EPM. Yeah, EPM. Yeah, that's what they call it. I think that's first. That's the acronym they use? I've got a 50-50 shot here. I'm going to say EPM is first and Scarcity is second.
    30:09
    I don't know. We'll find out later. I don't know if I've even played. Stay tuned tomorrow when we will find out the real deal. Would What's-His-Name have one of these at his house?
    30:21
    Tony? Tony Zizek, yes. Zizek. What's it, Zizek or Zizek? Zizek. Does he have that game? He, I think he did at some point. I haven't been to his house in a while. Yeah, me either. I'm just wondering if I, that would be the place I would have played it if I played it at all.
    30:39
    See, these are all games. I'm going to this show only because I'm hoping to see some of these games. Probably not. It seems like a lot of these are collector quality games and people just don't bring them to shows. Would that be an accurate statement?
    30:56
    Yeah, typically, yes. They're collector quality. They don't want people in the general population touching them. Because, you know, if you go to one of these general population shows, some of them, your collectors do, but people off the street, in general, I've seen it, they don't have respect for what the game is. They're hanging on the shooter knob, or they're, you know, just not doing the game like someone else is like playing China. They don't know the etiquette. Like, I would never bring my Stargazer to a show unless I have, like, velvet ropes around it. We really didn't play everything. We kind of played the best-in-show stuff because that was the best stuff to play. Right.
    31:35
    But maybe I'll revisit that. let's talk about that I mean there were games that I wanted to play but they were Bolly SS games that were broken or not working properly and it's like if you're going to bring I got gorgeous stuff at home, why do I want to play broken crap I would bring some of my C titles because I wouldn't care they're not going to do any real harm to it People do to get in a show. They bring their seat. Right, but given that, I'd rather just pay and not have to worry about it. The show's changing. Venues, for the better, from what I understand. You've been privy to looking at the rooms at the old venue, and you said you wouldn't stay there. No, no. Right, Mold Town. I have not been, and I pass it every time I go to your house, coming home, I should stop in that hotel to see what it looks like. And I'm wondering if we should get rooms now rather than wait.
    32:45
    Are you planning on going to the show and staying, or are you planning on... You're so close. I'm not commuting. It's only like 30, 40 minutes to get there. Yeah, it's only 40 minutes for me. But I'm wondering maybe one night to just stay. The only problem I can see is during that time of year, commuting on a weekend, going up north. When our bales are going to go up north, too, you're going to be in some traffic, maybe. But there's back roads I can take to get there from my place that won't be that bad. Right. Just don't go to the main highway. That's all. Yeah, no, I've got to go down 495. And, you know, I'm not going to. I want to go more than one day because I didn't, you know, I didn't get to play a lot of things because we just ran out of time. Yeah, same here. And it would be nice to have a room to do interviews in rather than, although the ambiance, I guess, wasn't all that bad when we did it in the bar. That didn't work out too bad. Yeah, it worked out.
    33:39
    I'd say interviewing Eric Stone out near the Route 20 with every other car is a truck with their jake brakes. That was fun. Right, but if you've noticed after we started doing all this stuff, I start hearing other podcasts just throw, in the thing and say, ah, you know, the quality isn't going to be as good this time. So I think we, instead of put the bar higher, I think we've lowered the recording bar. Obviously that takes place today. Here we are just riffing in a car ride and, you know, some of this will be good and some maybe not so good. But it'll always be entertaining. And, you know, What do they say? The sincerest form of flattery is imitation.
    34:26
    So here you go, guys. Yeah, be grateful. Be grateful, exactly. Right. Be grateful. Don't be grading. Be grateful.
    34:35
    Phrases go up, blessings come down. So the don't box yourself in, we went off and I didn't even address it.
    34:43
    We said we were going to do it weekly. There's no way. I know, no way. No. Too many things going on. I mean, it's been a month in between. I have an extra episode of Eric playing Frogger, but I decided not to put it out because I thought I would get hate mail, even though I don't give you a mailing address because I don't want your mail.
    35:13
    I have a mail address, and if you figure out what it is, I will maybe talk to you but I'm not going to we're going to make you work for it if you want to if you really are that hell bent in saying something you figure it out or maybe if you want to you know hell bent on throwing praises to what you like That good too Well if you going to do that go out on to uh what is it Inside? No, no. Apple Pod? Oh, iTunes? iTunes? No, wherever that rating is where the guy told us that we're filler. Yeah, well, you know, he's filler. So, you want to do us a favor? That would be a big favor, right? Your Apple, whatever the Apple thing is, we get like 40% of our listeners from Apple, which is just crazy given we're on this free Anchor app and nobody tunes in through Anchor. If you're on Apple and you like us, give us a nice five star. Yeah. Something like that. Well, no, we just don't need the stars. No, we just don't need the stars. What do we need? We need the comments. Yeah, commentary. We need some commentary, you know, that you like what you like and that kind of thing. Be truthful, you know, if you don't. Right, if we suck, we suck. Just post it somewhere else. I don't think we suck.
    36:32
    There's so many, I don't know, there's a lot of podcasts out there, and some do it well, some don't do it so well. We have one more exit. Yes, we do. That went pretty fast. It did, yeah. Well, it says 40 minutes still to go. Right, because we've got to go around the lake. Right.
    36:47
    But that's pretty good. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You've been doing good. Sure. Look at this, all really nice Not a cloud in the sky What a day, huh? It's a day So don't box yourself in No, we're not doing that So I think we hit them all So, Kaneda, if you listened this far through Which you probably didn't That's what our podcast is kind of all about we're going to do things we like to do. We're going to talk about things we like.
    37:29
    Should we talk about that playfield protector that I got that was trashed? Yeah, because I got a playfield protector for Pinball Pool, and it came out great. It's like poor man's clear coat, but for a game that's an older game. Is that the one you showed me that I didn't even know it was on there? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I had bought this online from somebody, and unfortunately it came in damaged, bent in half, and we'll see if we can maybe unbend it, but I don't think so. And I got a good deal on it. Now I don't want to buy it from Germany because it's $150 from Germany. But I think I'll break down. It's just a matter of time.
    38:18
    Yeah, if you get on a group buy with some other people, definitely you get a cheaper price and you get free shipping. I think you have to buy 10 at a time or something. Maybe it's 5 at a time, but definitely it's a couple at a time. And you get a nice price break. I'm just surprised that the guy doesn't have a distributor here in the U.S. It would make things a lot easier and probably a lot cheaper. I'm surprised Joey Liparowski, what's that guy? He's out of New Jersey. He's the one that sells the PDI glass.
    38:48
    Joey? Yeah, Joey. I think it's pinballdecals.com. Him. This is a new one on me. I don't know Joey. I bought a crap load of anti-reflective glass from him, playfield glass. and he gets it all from Germany and he gets it chipped in crates and then he sells it. I think like $300 a piece for a playfield blast, but it's really nice stuff.
    39:12
    I don't own any of my games. I probably should. He's got the German connection, so I figure he could probably hook up with that media distributor. If you're out there juggling this thing, if you haven't thought of that, think of that. We do have some representation out of New Jersey.
    39:30
    Virginia is still is tops. So why don't we end it here. I'm going to go look. What did we want to look up?
    39:39
    Hold on. The Road Warrior. Okay, go ahead. What was that? That's from the Road Warrior. Let's see. What was the... Wait.
    39:56
    Is that the... Mel Gibson. Is Wes right there next to me? Is Road Warrior the one that I talked about last night that looks like Centaur? Or is that another... Mad Max. Yeah, no, Mad Max. No, Mad Max is just a... Mad Max has those kind of weird outfits, right? Yeah, but more of a motorcycle gang thing. Not a hybrid. The guy's a... He's a hybrid motorcycle guy with a girl. Well, he's an orc. So if I were a pig, a pig man on a bike, on his park bike. Oh, that's what, did we talk about this last night? Yeah, we did, with Joel.
    40:38
    Did we talk about his artwork? Are we going to give him? We did, yeah, I think we talked. We talked some more. Joel does some great artwork. He's, uh. Well, he did the Paul Farris with the Forger. Yeah. But we should probably, you should post, you should post that in, on the Pinside thread when, I don't know how, you should show me how to do that. I don't know how to post pictures on that thing. I got to give you a pin-side news group or whatever lesson. Yeah, I've been reprimanded more than time. You've been a bad boy. Well, you know, people, I'm leaving all these little breadcrumbs out there of who the hell I am, but I don't think people get it. And if they do, I think they're hating. because I have a pretty good presence on a lot of Twitch channels. But again, that whole bit thing and whatever. Oh, I don't get it. Give me some bits. Oh, I don't get that. I'm not doing that. Right. All you people out there, if you have a podcast and I watch you, be grateful that I watch you. And I like you. and those of you who know, you know, you know who I am, but I don't think you've figured out that I have a podcast, and I don't really broadcast it on there because I don't think, you know, I don't want to be a show. If somebody asks me or it comes up indirectly, maybe, but I don't think people have figured that out, Dave, because of my handle. Ah, your handle, yes. Well, because my handle is everywhere. It's everywhere. Right. But I don't think people get it. I'm not going to tell you my handle. You have to figure it out. Right. Be an investigative reporter. Right.
    42:22
    Okay, we're back. This is our last leg of going to deliver the 8-Ball Deluxe. But Dave wanted to hear about the games that were going to be available. Oh, no. Why did I just do that?
    42:40
    Oh, there we go. Okay. some of the games that were going to be in Houston. So, there's a lot more games on here than more the other day.
    42:52
    ACDC, Adam's Family, Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle. Oh, no. Is that really bad? Yeah. People were talking about that game as if it was good. I don't see why, but I guess, you know, that's what they make, chocolate and vanilla ice cream.
    43:08
    I'll play it. We'll talk about it. Alice Cooper's Nightmare Castle we had talked about that with Eric I heard that's a great game, I wish I got to play it at Pentastic never got to I never got to either, so I'm looking forward to playing that let's see Attack from Mars is that the game that Mike bought recently? yes, he did and that's the one that they're remaking, right? right Bad Cats, Batman Forever you tell me when you want to stop Bad Cats is kind of a fun, funny game. You know, it's silly. I'll have to play it. Big Hit, Black Knight 2000. Fun game. Black Rose. No. Buccaneer. No, I can't remember that one either. No, you don't like that again? No, it's okay. If it's in really nice shape, I'd give it a Buccaneer. So riddle me this. You don't like Bugs Bunny's birthday boy. Not at all. Yet you have Bugs Bunny on your website. Yeah, because basically I like Bugs Bunny, but it's a poor implementation. I always thought you liked that game. No, never did. Cactus Canyon. They're remaking that, aren't they?
    44:16
    I don't know about that. The game is not that great of a game. I think they're remaking it. The last game they made. Well, you don't like going for so much money these days, but go ahead. Checkpoint. Not a big fan. Circus Voltaire. Pretty, but not a big fan. Comet. Not a big fan either.
    44:32
    This is the... Where are the good games? I'm looking forward to playing... Man, I did it again. I keep touching the thing. I'm going left here, don't I? Yes, you want to be left here. Oh, otherwise it's a fun spot. Correct.
    44:44
    Cosmic Kart Racing by Multimorphic. I think this is that. Oh, that's the Lexi Lightspeed thing. Yeah. Well, that's here, too. So I'm looking forward to playing that and seeing what that's all about. Creature from the Back Lagoon.
    44:58
    Deadpool. Oh, you were asking me what's going to be in the tournament. That's a tournament game. I mean, I don't have to bone up on any of these things, do I, if I get in? Should I war like I always did? Just war on him. Okay. I mean, if you want to get a couple ideas on some things to hit. What am I going to go watch? Bowen? Yeah, I guess you have to watch Bowen or Eric. Although Eric doesn't really show his stuff. I wish I had Eric with me. Yeah, Eric, you know, you can just call him up and say, hey, what do I do? He'll give you a whole list of things. Yeah, you should call up Eric. Hey, I... Get the inside scoop. What would happen... Okay, let's go off the rails here. Have him in your earpiece while you're playing. I was going to take it one step better. Okay. Put a camera on your head and him in an earpiece. And he can be advising you. Right. Yeah, I like it. That's good. Would they let the guy with the headlamp, would they let the guy with a camera on his head? Why not? It's a GoPro or whatever. Yeah, that'd be... In real time? In real time. And have somebody coaching you while you're playing the game? Yeah, I like that. I feel like Rocky and his freaking manager. Oh, boy. That would... That's a new one. That would throw a handful of people in a tizz. Oh, it would. Oh, yeah. Oh, look at how nice the lake looks, Dave. Let's go for a ride in a boat over here. John, he's in New York City. We can't talk about him now. We can take his boat. No, I'm not taking his boat. I will ride in his boat, but I'm smart enough not to take his boat. Because you know what happens when you borrow somebody's thing.
    46:32
    Ultimately, what's going to happen, it will break. It might break, and then it's on you. Yeah, well, that's another. We can go off on tangents. How about people that loan their pinball games to other people? I don't get that.
    46:47
    Unless it's a pinball machine that you haven't really done much with and you have to do something with it anyway down the road. But it's a whole restored thing? No. Out of my purview, they take the back off, they're going to break. Things can happen. Plastics can break. I would lend you a game because it would probably come back better. You're making a right here. Yeah, there's certain people. It would probably come back better than it went out. Right. This is a beautiful hotel, by the way. Oh, we're thinking about staying here, too. Yeah, you better have a big sack of quarters with you. I think $400 a night, I think. You better have a big sack of quarters, dude. Wow. Yeah. So when we get up here, you're going to bear to the left. You'll see the growth. Just follow the traffic. Because if you don't, you'll be off on this side street over here.
    47:29
    So they've got an 8-ball deluxe, the 84 model. So somebody's bringing that. Earthshaker. That's going to be in the tournament.
    47:37
    What else we got here? Fishtails. Flash Gordon. Tournament hardtop installed. So it's going to be like that Flash Gordon that was at Pintastic. Okay.
    47:50
    Flintstones. Funhouse, which you own. Game of Thrones. People really like that game. I kind of like the music of that game. Okay. I don't like the show. I don't know the show. I don't know anything about it. I miss it much. Right. Genesis.
    48:05
    Gottlieb. Space City Pinball League boost. Okay. Genie. Yeah, good game. Is that a system one? System one. Hopefully they went through it and made it nice. Another beautiful system one. Otherwise it would be like a dog if they don't go through it. Golden Gate. High Speed. Hook.
    48:23
    Ice Cold Beer. That's fun. Ice Cold Beer. I love that game. Indianapolis 500. Somebody had a skill roll for sale. That's fun. I tried buying. Who bought the one from Sarah? I don't know. Oh, we're not, see, that's not a pinball. You know, the haters will come out and say, Who cares about the gammas? Gammas suck. You know, go somewhere else.
    48:45
    Go freaking make like a tree. So Iron Maiden, which I've played. Yeah, let's yank our kids out of school for a Friday to go plant some trees. Yeah.
    48:59
    Junkyard, Lethal Weapon, Lexi Lightspeed. Little Chief Williams 75 is that an EM? that's an EM that's okay Medieval Madness, Monopoly that's going to be in the league booth Morpheus Morpheus, it sounds like a some kind of arcade game well it's arcade this is an arcade show too Bouncing Around Night Moves. Oh, cocktail game. That's a cocktail pinball. Oh, right. I remember that. No Fear.
    49:39
    Party Zone. No, no, it's only Party Zone. Yeah, I love the look of that game, but that's about it. Pinbot. Not a fan. Pinball Magic. Popeye Saves the Earth. Oh, that's a turd. No, it's not the ultimate turd. It's not? No. All right, well, what's more turd? That hunk of crap that was at... Caveman? No, no, the thing that was at Pentastic.
    50:08
    Thunder Turds. Oh, Thunder Turds, yes. You didn't even play that. I pulled one ball and then stopped. I played one ball at the other show, the Allentown show. I played one ball and left. Right. Well, this is the one I want to play, and this is what everybody's talking about, these Deep Root dudes. Retro Atomic Zombie Adventureland. You know the whole thing with these guys, right?
    50:32
    They do, like, rethink corporate clients. They've got everybody and their grandmother working for them, but they haven't put anything out, and they keep announcing these dates. You know, wasn't it supposed to be the five days of Deep Root or some crap at one of the shows? Anyway, whatever. These guys have talked a great game, but, hey, maybe they're going to release something at this show. I'll be there. It's sort of Lucy and the football kind of thing. I'm trying to say. Yeah, how am I going to do that? I'm going to go to the show, and you're not going to be there. So am I going to have to do like a post-game with you afterwards? Sure. Yeah, that sounds good. Post-game wrap-up show? Yeah, I don't even know how I'm going to do it. I think a lot of it's going to be about me puking at the tournament, but we'll see. I was trying to describe that to you. So there's four rounds, which is pretty cool.
    51:29
    Friday afternoon, Friday night, first thing Saturday morning, and then late Saturday morning. And when all four of those conclude, then they go right into the finals on Saturday afternoon. So it's a one and done. You know, well, one and done. Friday night, basically, you know, four o'clock on. So I'm hoping to get into the early one and see how I do. You could sign up for two of them, but I'm not that hardcore. One should be enough.
    52:00
    It should be interesting. Yeah, why not? My goal is not to come in last. Okay. If I even get in. I mean, I, you know. You got to sign up ahead of time? Tomorrow. Okay. Sunday at noontime, I think. I almost forgot. Has this show been around for a while?
    52:20
    Yeah, a number of years. So what's the history of them selling out these tickets? I don't know. Given today's tournaments, I have, you know. The Papa thing sells out in one second. Right, I mean, in one second. So you've got to be there. To me, if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it. Hopefully I get in. If I don't get in, I don't get in. No big deal.
    52:37
    We're going to be playing stuff to do. And if I don't do it at the show, I'll go do something outside of Houston. There you go. So the Shadow, Simpsons, Pinball Party, The Walking Dead. I've never played that. That should be interesting. Total Nuclear Annihilation I'm looking forward to playing that Twilight Zone My buddy Jason just picked up a nice Walking Dead, one of his favorite games A lot of people like that game But again People are going to criticize us For talking about newer games But we not doing reviews We just giving our comment on it It all pinball and you know we throw a little seasoning in the mix It all seasoning up So that this show It should be here. Let me see if I can get to that screen. You're trying to find the classics in that long list of rampers there. There's a couple in there. There's not much. I mean, I'll go to all those, and here we go. Tournaments.
    53:35
    The Space City Open Pinball Tournament, for those who care. The name of the show is Arcade Expo 2019 Houston Area Arcade Group. So I'm giving you guys a shout. Whether this makes the cut or not is a whole different thing.
    53:51
    Given the tournament format, we must cap the number of players in each qualifying session. If you would like to play in the tournament, you should strongly consider, this is all highlighted, pre-registering in advance. And it will open on September 22nd, so it's long past that, guys. So if you're hearing this, you're probably shut out.
    54:14
    Yeah, that's... Limit 52 players per session. You could buy two sessions. Group match play format. $25 a session.
    54:26
    Finals. The top six players from each session. So that's 24 players. Four player groups. Three games per round. Top two players advance. Oh, okay. So that's not bad. So 200 people participate and 24 get in?
    54:44
    There's going to be some good people there. I know that. There'll be some. You know that. There's some. What the heck? There's somebody that is part of this program. I can't remember who it is. He's a nice Corvette.
    54:58
    This is Center Harbor. Have you been through here? There's some money around here, it looks like. Yeah.
    55:06
    How far are we away from turning? We are. I know where we're going. We're two miles away. I think my buddy... It's right next door where we're going.
    55:16
    I haven't seen him in a long time. I used to work with him, Bill Crabtree, at Boston University. He owns a home on Moultonboro Neck. We used to rent it. I used to rent it and go fishing with my brother-in-law and Jack. I've never been out this way. Jack, who everybody hears about, who's from New Jersey, but it's not Jersey Jack. Here we go. Please.
    55:42
    So, I feel for you, Houston. 43 inches of rain in 72 hours is just... So how's this show going to deal with all this flooding and stuff? I'm hoping they're on high ground. And I'm, you know, and people don't like talking about this, but you just got to sit and wonder. The Houston collectors. How many, you know... They have basements?
    56:04
    Forget basements. They were talking about water going over the roofs of houses in neighborhoods in Houston. So you've got to wonder between the last hurricane that came through there and now, how many games were lost? I always talk about my buddy Jack with the hurricane in New Jersey. Well, he lost 25 games. That you will never see again. Well, he sold most of them. I mean... They were kind of all rotted out. The water came up As high as the play fields, but the mechs got wet. Yep. Salt water wet, right? Salt water, crappy, brackish, cruddy water wet. Yeah, and not pretty. You just feel really bad. No insurance. We've got to be at Moultonboro Neck Road, right? Half a mile. Yeah, half a mile coming up. It's at the gas station. I think there's a mobile station on the corner. We've got to be at the gas station. That would work, too. Well, you said you needed it. Oh, it's 70 miles. That's all right.
    57:06
    We went on the road. It went pretty quick. All I push it, it's empty. It went pretty quick, didn't it? It sure did. I think that's the turn.
    57:15
    Coming up. Coming up real quick here. Okay, I'm going to shut us off. I think he just said like we're close to the destination, so I'm going to shut us off. And that concludes another podcast of the Classic Pinball Podcast. My name is George. Be good and be well. I want to tell everybody to keep those spinners spinning and have a blessed day and be grateful.
    58:03
    Elvira. As Elvira, Mistress of the Dark. But if they ever ask about me, tell them I was more than just a great set of... Anybody realize that this lady is now probably 80 years old? Yeah, but the rack on her... Oh, no, never mind. Oh, she's a pool player? I saw her gun rack. Oh, I thought you knew she was a pool player. Oh, that too.
    58:33
    Dave, were there any questions that you were unprepared for that Rahman asked you? Or do you think it was standard operating procedure? He pretty much asked you the standard questions. Yeah, there was one that kind of threw me a little bit. I wasn't quite ready for it. It was the artwork question. I forget even what the question was. Oh, I do. He was asking you, are there any famous artists? And I think he was looking for you to say, oh, well, Andy Warhol or Keith Haring. Oh, okay. He was looking for, I don't think he was looking for Rembrandt and Monet. Right. That's where he was going. He was going there. I think that's where he was going. And I'm like, I'm not even sure I could answer who a contemporary artist would be.
    59:26
    I mean, would you be able to recite who's today's contemporary artist? No. You done over there? Where are you going? Hey, noisy. Hey, Sharon, settle down.
    59:43
    No, it's just a big mouse over there chewing the cheese. Wait a minute. No, that's a chipmunk. It's a certain feeder that's happening. No?
    59:54
    Don't worry, Maureen. We'll make fun of you a little bit more. That's okay. We are hanging out talking. We are talking. That's our whole shtick. That's how we do it. That's how we roll, man. That's our whole shtick. So to get back to answering, we'll probably leave that in. No, don't do that.
    60:14
    I think he was looking for us to come up with somebody that he recognized, but as I was saying, I don't think I could come up with a contemporary artist that somebody would recognize. I don't.
    60:29
    Joel Deguzman. Joel Guzman, exactly. That comes to mind. Or, you know, hey, Christopher Franchi. Right. Or who's the other, the new guy, Johnny Crap. Johnny Crap? Yeah, he's the one who did. That's the guy that made the toilet, the crapper. No, that's John Crapper. No, this is Johnny Crap. I think he did the artwork on the latest Star Wars for Stern. Does it still stink? Oh, just kidding. No. Hold on. Bad joke. Thank you. Anyway, yeah. you're good for at least one of those on every show.
    61:07
    No, I, I, I mean, pulling the curtain back. I mean, I think that's probably what most people, uh, there wasn't anything I was surprised by, you know, other than Gino, the cameraman saying, Hey, would you do that again? And say this again? I knew where he was. He had my heart. He doesn't like to edit and I don't blame him. He was like, Dave, Do you mind saying that again? Oh, so he's like getting certain pieces, pieces that he can kind of puzzle together. He, I got to believe when these two guys go back to the office, I'm guessing Dave, with the influence of Rahman, will say, okay, here's the storyline. They've got, like we do, they have the complete picture. They're going to watch once through it and go, okay, we've got all this footage. How do we make a coherent, what did he say, four-minute story? I think he said four to seven minutes. Was it seven or four? I said seven. I thought I heard four out of him. But it's... Okay. We'll time it when it happens. But, you know, he interviewed... That was what surprised me. He interviewed you for... I stopped recording. I had it on my phone. I stopped recording after 20 minutes. Maureen has the whole thing. Right. But he recorded you. He said, oh, we're going to only do 20 minutes. He did at least 35 minutes of recording. So it's going to be... Well, you said... Why did you say four minutes? It's going to be a 20-minute recording, right? He said four minutes. No, but I'm saying how much of that 35 minutes ends up on the editing room floor. He's going to make a story out of it. You're not going to be on Chronicle for a half an hour. No, but you say I'm going to be on Chronicle for four minutes, you think. You think it's a four-minute segment? I think it's going to be a little bit more than that, but yeah. I think you're, he said you're going to be the standalone at the end. Oh, that's right. Okay. Right? So, again, I don't watch Boston Chronicle, but if it's like New Hampshire Chronicle, It's feature story, second story. They got this guy, Fritz Weatherby, who does this New Hampshire thing where he visits all these places around New Hampshire. The weather, close. So I'm guessing you'll be the second story or if they don't have the Fritz Weatherby thing, you're the third entry. Because a half hour show is edited down to 22 minutes. That's it. Oh, so it's only a half hour show. Well, it's actually 22 minutes because you've got to put eight minutes of commercials in every half hour. So that's a lot of content. You've got to cram in. You've got the opening, Chronicle. They play the theme song and all that jazz. I don't even know. Do you even know who the hosts are on Chronicle? I'm watching it. Well, it's almost quarter to seven. We can find out right now. We can find out in a few minutes and find out who the hosts are. Forgive me. Again, I don't live in Boston, but we'll find out. And it'll be interesting to see how they overdub the segment because Rahman just asked us the questions. He's not part of the show. He goes, no, I'm not part of the shot. I'm not part of the show. So that leads me to believe that you're not going to hear him at all. No, you're not going to hear him at all. That was actually surprising. I thought he was actually the interviewer and the guy. Well, especially for this Game On segment. I'm figuring, like, he's the feature reporter. Hey, you know, I'm Raman Cromwell here with Game On Sports. You know, today we're visiting Dr. Dave O'Neill in Marlborough, Massachusetts, you know, yada, yada, yada. And he does his, you know, opening script. Well, I'm wondering how they're going to do that. Like, how are they going to have the back shot of whoever's going to ask me the question, what's going to be in the back of them for a shot? It looks like they're in the room with me. you know how are they going to make that magic we're and that's going to make for another show when we do a post listening party because dave's going to have a monster party here we're all going to sit and watch around his big screen tv yes um now i forgot the question i was going to ask you or the observation uh is it about the the back shot of the people ask me a question is a part of that gig with the uh the interviewers that we're gonna that we're not gonna see oh you know how are oh no now i know what it is and it's gonna infuriate you oh here comes janice um let's take a bet do you think that they are going to say the words pinball wizard oh boy i I was ready for it, too. I was ready for the question. And your response was going to be? It was going to be, no, I'm the pinball doctor. Which would have been great. It would have been great. You were saying, George, originally we should tell the guy before he gets in the house, listen, you're not going to mention pinball wisdom at all. But he never did. But he never did, which I thought was great. Right, but we don't know who's doing the overdubbing and how they're going to phrase these questions. They can ask a totally different question and my answer is to a different question. I don't know. Hopefully not. Hey, Dave, you're some kind of pinball nerd, aren't you? Well, yes, of course I am. Exactly. It could go any way. Hey, George, your voice really is terrible. Did you know that? Of course I did. I mean, you know, but that's, hey, I place faith he's a good guy. He's going to hear this before we see his. So, hey, Raman, do us a solid. Yes, Raman. You know, do us a solid if you listen to this and make sure that we're represented not like these two kooks that live in a basement and do a podcast. That's like, you know, I don't live in my mom's home. I own my own home. You know, I'm not sequestered down there. You know, that's not me. And that's certainly not Dave. No. But that's what people. Yes. There are some kooks out there, but we ain't them. Well, never mind. I'm not even going to go. You're not baiting me. You did. You did pretty good. You had that big piece of cheese there in the trap. But I'm smart enough to know. I know what the trap does. It goes snap. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. I can't think of anything else that took place that was unusual it was a lot of fun I'm just wondering what it's going to look like I'm wondering what pumpkin head is going to look like on TV that would be me I've got a large cranium I've got a big hat No, not that kind of hat. Just a big hat. A poopy hat? No, let's not go down the poop emoji thing again, please. Although, we do have to get those hats. Maybe we'll... We'll have Eric buy us some. Eric should go buy some of these tokens. No, I saw them online. They're like five bucks. I mean, maybe that'll be our... We'll do that for Christmas. We'll wear those. Instead of dressing up with a Santa Claus hat, which would be like everybody... Yeah, poop emoji. We'll put on the poop emoji hat with the Santa Claus beard. That sounds good. I like that. Poopa Claus. I'm going to hell now. Merry Poopa Claus. Well, no, he's not a religious figure. He's not a religious figure at all. Right, he's just some guy made up to sell a lot of crap. There you go. It's kind of like... It makes it commercial. It's kind of like, what should we call it? Funtown. Not Funtown.
    68:41
    Fun and Games. Okay. No, not Fun and Games. The one up in Winnipesaukee. Oh, Funland? With the toy train land. What the frick's that? No, no, no, no. Where we went with the... Fun Spot. Yeah, Fun Spot. Okay. Yeah, with the big guy. Storyland is the thing they have with the train, but anyway. Yeah, I went there with my son when he was... No, I'm thinking of the crap redemption table. Oh, that thing, yes. At Fun Spot. Yes. So it's kind of like that. Christmas is kind of like that. It's kind of like a big crap redemption for most people. You get the present, and you wear it out in about three days, and that's it. Christmas is over.
    69:23
    Yeah. That's pretty much it. It's a big commercialized thing. I really like Thanksgiving, actually, better than any of them. I like Thanksgiving. I like giving thanks. I don't know. Call me weird.
    69:36
    Well, yeah. This is probably going to hit the cutting room floor. That's okay. Right. Well, I'm riffing. I can't think of anything else you?
    69:48
    no I think we covered it all oh no we didn't cover it all no we left out the most important part we'll hack it up and then we're done let's uncover it you want to sell a specific game it's the game that's going to be on Chronicle that game would be Kiss so I'll do the pitch hey boys and girls want a really, really nice Bali pinball game from 1979? It's a four-letter word. It's called Kiss.
    70:21
    Dave's going to sell the Kiss that you see on Chronicle. So, get out your wallet, grab all those little green pieces of paper, go to Dave's website, call him up, and give him all your cash. Well, not all the cash, but a substantial portion. Right. Well, that you can talk about. But he's selling Kiss. So, first come, first serve. Just in time for Christmas, kids. That's right. He doesn't have anything else. It's only this game. So, get them while they're hot. Exactly. And it's hot.
    70:57
    Done. Okay.