INDISC 2020 - Classics I Playoffs

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TL;DR

INDISC 2020 Classics I tournament coverage with playoff bracket action and player interviews.

Summary

Coverage of INDISC 2020 Classics I playoff and finals rounds at the Museum of Arcade in Banning, California. Multiple tournament groups compete through bracket play on classic EM and solid-state pinball machines (Wizard, Dolly Parton, Oxo), with emphasis on the difficult ticket-based qualifying format that punishes single bad games. Notable players include Eric Stone (former national champ, Freeplay Florida winner), Colin McAlpine (Texas pinball festival organizer), and regional competitors vying for advancement to finals.

Key Claims

Qualifying used 15 different games with best four scores on a ticket, where bad games can significantly hurt overall standing
high confidence · Lewis Bevins opening commentary describing qualifying format
Eric Stone won Freeplay Florida and two other classic tournaments in Pittsburgh
high confidence · Eric Stone interview with host
The INDISC facility is being compared to 'the new PAPA' with equivalent or larger attendance in adjacent tournament rooms
high confidence · Colin McAlpine interview about facility quality and organization
Texas Pinball Festival main tournament is full but Classics division still has openings, festival ends last weekend of March
high confidence · Colin McAlpine statement about TPF availability
Last year's INDISC Classics winners included Derek Thompson (from Alberta) and Bob Matthews
high confidence · Opening commentary by Lewis Bevins
The ticket format forces consistent play across all four games and simulates finals conditions
high confidence · Colin McAlpine explaining tournament format philosophy
Colin McAlpine missed the Classics cut despite being a top-ranked player due to one 'bleeder' low score
high confidence · Colin McAlpine interview describing his tournament experience
Games at INDISC are set up notably harder than average venues
high confidence · Multiple commentators (Lewis, Matt) noting difficult setup across all game banks
Josh Sharp came in second to Jason Wordrick in yesterday's match play event
medium confidence · Jeff's commentary during Finals preview
Classics tournament continues on day two after day one playoffs
high confidence · Opening commentary mentioning 'another day of classics tomorrow'

Notable Quotes

“you're trying to get your best four scores on a ticket which means if you have a bad game that could really hurt your ticket maybe you have to start over again”
Lewis Bevins@ 0:19 — Explains the core challenge of the ticket-based qualifying format that defines the tournament's difficulty
“I grew up in the classics I grew up playing the 80s games the 90s games and I mean I'm good at the newer games but I feel that I'm pretty good at the older games”
Eric Stone@ 14:42 — Context for why Eric dominates classics tournaments despite being skilled across all game eras
“This is like the new PAPA... the facility is amazing the setup is amazing with the tvs over every one of the open bank”
Colin McAlpine@ 29:23 — High-profile player comparison of INDISC to PAPA, signals venue legitimacy and competitive caliber
“I had three good games I had one bad game and I didn't make it... you have to have four consistent games here”
Colin McAlpine@ 28:02 — Demonstrates that even elite players can be eliminated by the ticket format, emphasizing format's selectivity
“This is fabulous and thanks by the way for TPF... the tournament's full sorry you mentioned the tournament the classics is still open”
Colin McAlpine@ 29:11 — Information about festival availability and competitive standing
“You really have to have at least two good games in this format and josh loves this format because you can come in second and still advance”
Jeff/Host — Explains the quarterfinals 4-3-2-1-0 scoring format advantages

Entities

INDISC 2020eventMuseum of ArcadeorganizationInland Empire PinballorganizationEric Stoneperson Colin McAlpineperson Lewis BevinspersonMatt RobotompersonDerek ThompsonpersonBob Matthewsperson

Signals

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event_signal: INDISC 2020 at Museum of Arcade in Banning being positioned as successor to PAPA standard for tournament quality, facility scale, organization, and competitive caliber
high · Colin McAlpine: 'This is like the new PAPA... the facility is amazing... this runs really well' and comparison of equivalent or larger attendance in adjacent rooms
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competitive_signal: Ticket-based qualifying format (best four of 15 games) creates extreme selectivity; eliminates even elite players like Colin McAlpine due to single low score; format valued for forcing consistency and simulating finals conditions
high · Colin McAlpine eliminated despite being top-ranked player; commentary emphasizes format's difficulty and philosophical alignment with finals play
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competitive_signal: Eric Stone demonstrates specialization in classic/EM games; describes himself as having grown up on 80s/90s games with particular strength despite being skilled on moderns; recent tournament wins in classics format
high · Eric Stone: 'I grew up in the classics I grew up playing the 80s games the 90s games... I feel that I'm pretty good at the older games' plus Freeplay Florida and Pittsburgh tournament wins
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venue_signal: INDISC machines (Wizard, Dolly Parton, Oxo, etc.) consistently noted as set up harder than typical venues, creating additional skill barrier aligned with competitive standards
high · Multiple commentators repeatedly note difficult setups; Matt: 'it is set up really hard here um as most of the games are'; commentary attributes this to deliberate competitive standard-setting
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Topics

Tournament format and structure (ticket-based qualifying, bracket play, tiebreakers)primaryClassic/EM pinball game strategy and rules (Wizard, Dolly Parton, Oxo)primaryCompetitive player profiles and achievementsprimaryINDISC venue quality, facility organization, and comparison to PAPAprimaryTexas Pinball Festival announcements and availabilitysecondaryRegional pinball community (Illinois, Texas, Alberta players)secondaryBall control techniques (chasing, post passes, alley passes, nudging)secondaryVenue setup difficulty and competitive standardssecondary

Sentiment

positive(0.82)— Coverage is enthusiastic about tournament quality, venue organization, and player performances. Commentators praise facility as 'new PAPA,' appreciate difficult machine setups, and celebrate elite player participation. Some light frustration expressed by Colin McAlpine about missing cut, but framed constructively. Overall tone is celebratory of competitive pinball.

Transcript

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in dis continues here classics number one right now you can see people trying to get into the final 32 you're gonna see some playoff action in a second but this is how they did it all these games 15 different games and you're trying to get your best four scores on a ticket which means if you have a bad game that could really hurt your ticket maybe you have to start over again it's been a grind since 10 o'clock this morning we'll see who gets into the finals we'll see who can win it last year we saw derek thompson win from alberta we saw bob matthews win there's another day of classics tomorrow but who will win today hello hey look at there we are we're up there yes welcome to inland empire pinball presenting classics one at in disc 2020 i'm lewis bevins i have escher left off to my left and i'm matt robotom there we go we're just about to get started with some playoff action so we'll be uh situated on wizard for now i don't know what the current situation is in the brackets but we'll pull it up here in a second so we we're mostly through if not completely through the first round yes it looks like we are actually it looks like we are in game three of the first round so it looks like chris warren has already advanced and uh adam mckinney has the advantage so jermaine needs to win this game if he wins the game he's guaranteed a tiebreaker um to yeah if he gets if jermaine wins he gets the six points and uh i'll guarantee him a tough record yeah and i believe are we on ball five action right now uh we're on ball two i believe is that ball two or three i think it's three actually it's hard to see but i can't tell if it's two or three it's one or the other yeah either way it does look like jermaine's trying to prove the point of uh getting into the round of 16 with a hundred thousand points on wizard with whatever ball we're currently situated on so theoretically johnny has an out actually so if johnny wins jermaine takes second mckinney takes last and chris warren takes third uh johnny will be in a three-way tiebreaker for one spot and that is always exciting you get that one out the fall the way you do and play that one game so he really he's got 12 000 in bonus uh i might want to start going for that double bonus i don't know how this one's playing i don't know have you guys played any classics i played a little bit of it today i did not do well all right did you play wizard it's a problem i didn't play wizard i i don't remember what my score was but uh so do you see he's uh oh that's rough he's trying to do the uh the skateball trick where you like post pass but it got off the lane and you get a free yep bonus so for those at home who don't know how to get the double bonus uh how is johnny trying to work it there so if you shoot the third flag right here it will flip the flags which are right here and when you get it when it goes down here it'll collect all your flags and each flag does a different thing but the third flag is the best and that's double bonus yes and if you hit that top center saucer it'll generally give you an alley-oop right into the flag lane so best way to go yeah it gives you 3 000 bonus and 3 000 points so it's uh important skill shots we have adam mckinney stepping up now with pretty much uh most of the uh control over his own fate i will say having played on these classics today they're all very tough and very fast it is hard to catch the ball and kind of control it but these guys are doing great so it looks like jermaine has a really good lead here so as long as mckinney can stay in second he will make it to a tie breaker comes down to what the other players do though and it does look like adam does have the uh flow of this ball that game down again he doesn't need to win but if he does win it'll make his tournament life a lot easier yeah but it is actually setting up for uh johnny here because if johnny wins jermaine's already in position to uh yeah he's right he remains in position to take second if johnny wins and uh just needs chris warren to catch mckinney here [Music] and um i don't have the best uh view on the little thing next to you guys what is uh chris's score at right now he is at 33 yep thirty three eight sixty now he's jumped up to three nine forty forty just past forty so we might have lost a little bit of video on the uh there we go wizard isn't uh too fancy with uh padding your lead versus scoring points you're pretty much going to do the same thing of build bonus double your bonus yes and when you want to get fancy you can always light the spinner and go for 100 point spins yeah so i saw chris warren shooting after the 5000 target uh but everyone else is uh chatzing and then going for the spinner so [Music] so where is that 5000 point target on the field it is right here it's a really good value but very dangerous return after you hit it so it's hard to hit more than once but once you have max double bonus that's uh it's pretty valuable [Music] that's johnny demonstrating a wonderful chats yeah pass that ball right up the alley get into the other flipper and danger there does my dad say my my dad says is a tap for show shots for dough [Laughter] so and for anybody at home uh wants to practice some of these skills chansing is almost universal in a lot of classics it is good on every game almost so and and to to explain what that means what we're talking about is we're talking about uh well you've got the ball and your alley passing up not only the alley pass to the other flipper but to actually get it to go up and hit the other switch yeah well so that you can on wizard it's more of getting into the other side and uh if you do it too well it can kill you but because it can come out of the inland into the outlane yep so giant wants to get his double bonus here nice post catch yeah so this situation would you consider just b-lining for the three target yeah and the position that johnny is and he has to win so he's got to play for big points there's the three now you just gotta get the ball up mom pop bumpers nope oh yeah one sad double flip but i don't think you'll be too sad about 19 000 in bonus yeah looks like they're on ball four here so still gotta catch germaine there's a kind of a point ceiling on this game at a certain point after you get your max double bonus and all your three thousands it's pretty hard to get big points fast so if germain gets a double bonus collect then johnny will need like 60 000 probably maybe more and that's kind of unachievable almost unless you have 5 000 target out and i don't know what the feed is from the 5000 so yeah the other way you can think about it is if you can go for you can light the spinner and just go for top saucer and just like you'd normally do you could probably get four or five thousand a trip yeah it's still a lot of uh it's a lot of chopping wood or grinding it out but it's another way to think about it yep so adam just wants to hold on to second here johnny's making him work for it seems like the feed from the alley on the right is or the kind of the feed from the top is pretty safe oh that's rough so shout outs to our cameraman who's uh following the antics of adam mckinney as he hops away from the machine [Applause] chris warren up here does not matter what he does here he's just playing for fun yeah but he does affect other people in the game so i'm sure johnny would like him to do well here looks like johnny's uh or jermaine's gonna take a few seconds here see uh what he can get done here again just once the pad is lead doesn't need anything crazy but johnny is known to uh be a ball three ball five kind of person so and that's always a good start making sure you can plunge that top saucer just wants to get the ball on the right oh all right he's got it back he even got a 5 000 target there he actually got the four flag i can be quite useful if you can land in the lane oh there it is yep battle light is 100 point spinner how good is the spinner on this one get 10 spins about 10 15 spins it's not the greatest but so just some people are not let's talk about that for one second the flags so the flags on this game up here in the top you light them by different different four targets or the rollovers the one on the left is the one flag and this one's the one flag and that's the four flag okay i mean each of those does a different thing yeah the spinner the one will light the pop bumpers and the four will light the spinner and then two will light the center target which is not too helpful but it's there i found i think a lot of people go for trying to get that one to light the spinner and just hit that spinner all day flag 3 is where the money's at though that's the main one to go for if you pulled up some bonus that's when you can cash it in for double so yep or if you get that three from the pops it's pressure's on to just make one more spinner and just hope it goes in the scoop so unfortunately for johnny it's looks like it's going to be his tournament over here but adam mckinney stepping up to the machine knowing that one of the situations has been cleared up he's now trying to weasel or work his way into second not quite so he is holding second at the moment he just needs uh jermaine would like chris to have a big ball five here yeah i think chris is about 60 000 behind right now yeah just wants the ball on the flipper here yeah there's a three power in lane back to the oh there's the tap well at this point it's uh he's not playing for his tournament live so he's tapping for show yeah there's his double bonus yeah he's got himself a oh [Music] that is alright now we're in lane oh another in lane wow so there's the tap and the spinner so if he's got caught 30 000 in bonus if he gets in our scoop it's about 87 so he needs to hit three 5 000 targets as well as one scoop [Music] wow i had just enough momentum to kickback into play oh go in the scoop alright that works that works oh my goodness it's one of the hardest things with these em game or 90 game but the older classics games is that you really have to learn how to nudge that machine yep oh got it back thick enough live shot up the top maybe that'll work out for him yeah oh no oh no oh no oh just short jermaine takes a deep breath there still alive [Music] just over a hundred thousand there two targets away so chris gets his hundred thousand light but he will end up third in an impressive game a wizard johnny monica will take fourth and end the group fourth oh we almost had a limb are we good to go okay sorry we're live here right now with eric stone he is the bus driver if you will in the classics tournament eric is one of the finest players a former national champ and a recent winner at free play florida how you doing thank you good how you doing good you actually dominated in that last round you were perfect on all three games yeah you know i started out qualifying to the classics horribly the last two games i come up with number one scores and then took it so far in the finals so hopefully we'll keep that up well we've got another tiebreaker in a second so they might be addressing you but classics i mean you're great at all games but classics you've had a lot of success recently you won at free play florida yep and you won two other classic tournaments in pittsburgh if i were called that's right yeah i mean i grew up in the classics i grew up playing the 80s games the 90s games and i mean i'm good at the newer games but i feel that i'm pretty good at the older games well i have to ask you because you might know a little bit about the Carl Weathers i was told when i was coming to california that it would be a little warm here i was told that too if anybody looked at my facebook post i posted a couple days ago from sunny florida oh come escape the winter in sunny warm california and i get off the plane and it's 50 degrees and the wind's blowing at 20 miles an hour and it's cloudy meanwhile in fort myers it's 86 degrees no humidity no ceiling it doesn't matter it's cold here there's some humidity but hot here watch his pinball play eric stone thanks for hey thanks brad back to you and welcome back to the inland empire pinball in disc 2020 classics one finals we have a bonus tiebreaker action that i believe is going to be going over to dolly parton it sounds like it it looks like they are perusing the machine about to get ready adam mckinney versus jermaine marielle i think there's also another tie breaker it was a three-way tie breaker at three points it was twelve three three three in eric stone's group that sounds so uh just needs to one one person advances from that tiebreaker so see how that goes as well oh that's gonna be uh fireworks i wonder what that game is gonna be choice-wise oh actually we're gonna get that tiebreaker oh we're gonna get it yep so sean land ali miko oh james and raymond davidson might have heard of that guy he's plays a bit of pinball here in there does he yeah he's a fun classic player to watch for sure yep so dolly parton i think raymond might have picked this as his uh classic game at uh italy i could be wrong though maybe a lot of people picked it so but i do remember him playing it against uh oscar meyer i think or maybe it was danielle but i do remember him playing it so i can i can honestly say i haven't played it at all i've never played this game so it's great because you guys get to walk me through it and then tomorrow when i come back i get to try to figure out how to actually play it so do we know the settings on it do nothing holds or or well letters hold but not multipliers i'm not gonna look it up but i assume that's how it's gonna play but since we have a moment have you ever played future spa i love future spell well this game is actually kind of close to future spa you've got a five bank in the upper left to spell dolly you've got a top saucer and sometimes the drop targets to spell part yep so you can get in the scoop like that's right there and that'll spot you a letter in order or each drop target in the inline drop targets will give you the first one a light spinner then the next one's about 2x 3x 3x5x and it'll spot a letter every time all right sound familiar it's a certain feature spa it does yes very similar so uh ole gets one flip takes that flip and puts it right back in the drain so this is the door is open for raymond here if he gets a big ball one with like good progress on his bonus there's a very good chance and he will win this game oh definitely this is a great opportunity to be stepping up to knowing that if that happens all right you're not in the woods like you're not completely done for but if you happen to do well well you're probably going to be well on your way to winning so if you see underneath we have uh live scores uh from scorebit you can see that uh if you can't read the scores or uh right underneath the names there so it's pretty cool check them out yeah shout outs to the scorpic crew for putting a lot of score bits on classic games modern games making the scorekeepers lives that much easier yeah and allowing you to see live scoring from the comfort of your own home right spinner is not lit but he's got pretty good bonus progress got three four five letters i think they're three thousand each i know it's 36 for all of them so maybe two i don't know someone probably knows see if that uh oh he's not gonna get that bank completion didn't quite stop there there's another scoop oh the drop target from the pops that's always funny he really wants to get some more drops down here yeah especially with nine letters in bonus now is the time to start thinking about multipliers still a really good ball there a lot of progress so so all the solid states are on three ball i believe and then ems are on five correct yes yes all right only mikko stepping up to the machine knowing that there's a little bit of a hill to overcome right now strong is the spinner on this one is it pretty dialed gotta i didn't play this one today so i couldn't even say yeah i uh i missed yesterday so i was playing mostly maine today yeah same here i was a pretty good shot there so oh that's a that's a wonderful spinner actually i think that's about twenty thousand yeah it kept going all right so might not all be all bonus especially with only two balls to play decent progress only one more on the five bank so we got a q question from ethan tx uh can you get too much bonus on this game and lose it like on future spa uh when you get to the special right yes there is too much of a good thing i don't think so i don't think it would matter too much especially with the spinner being that riffs that if you get that far you're probably already gonna win but i'm not sure maybe we'll find out to spell dolly pardon three times four times i think it's three times yeah three times and then get the special and it goes back down and you can see the power of that spinner in play uh only currently sitting back in the shooter lane with a hundred and thirty thousand points wow a lot more spinach than uh sean's ball so ignore those multipliers that spinner is where it's at all right there's his first set done if he has cashed out his first set of bonus it's a good thing because it resets the five bank and you get a lot of progress just from the pops so yeah opens it up to new opportunities and plus every time you're sending it up to the spinner you're hoping to land it in the saucer so you're getting progress that way too still a good ball though good bonus good progress good spinach all right raymond needs to answer it's a hard game to do it on one ball so yeah he's seen um he's seen the way that oli's been able to do it let's see if raymond can follow suit the bone last ball 75 to 175 to six thousand it only definitely has an advantage but and it could be anybody's game still it's only one person out of this that's gonna advance correct one person they're all tied at three points the it's probably the rarest uh tie breaker you'll see in the papa style format so fortunate inland there's a 2x that's always nice let's see what he does with this flip see if he backhands taps or shots or sends it back up top sends it back up top i like that play let's see land that last target almost it's been eliminated from this tournament yep yep not quite enough and at this point only does feel safe but then again he wants to get as much distance between him and raymond as possible exactly you don't you don't want to have that one ball catch up yeah so just get some bonus multipliers here maybe a few spinner shots because raymond's one of those opponents were we want a good lead yeah you want as much distance between you and your opponent especially against raymond yep all right gets his first target down he survives fails out just wants it back oh almost the second target he just wants it back on the flipper there it is great yep let's see if he goes for the spinner or i think the 2x is more valuable now with his bonus probably is yeah yeah so it's about probably 50 000 a shot now yeah then right now is base bonus it's about 30 some thousand so he'll get that twice yep so fish is at 235 so raymond needs uh if it's 30 000 the spinner it needs uh call it 230 yeah survives tries to get to a cradle there all right there we go spinner time oh i got like one better than none i guess oh that would have been a good shot yeah well he's gonna get it he went for the dead bounce and then bailed out to the chats trying to make that alley pass live now he's got survivor pops that's the new thing that everyone should start trying to do is the bailout to the shots incredibly safe yep looks like uh he's got control of it there's a towel oh there's alright there's a good tap spinner yeah one out of seven that's going to put them out all right holly mikko jamie's advances from the tiebreaker of death uh who advanced from the other tiebreaker we know yet are they still playing yeah pull that up right now it was player two but it was uh i believe cosmic paradise is that correct we're pulling it up on screen so here we go adam mckinney yep it's advanced servers remain so we've got 16 players left they're gonna get everything organized and we'll be back with some more pinball action quite soon yeah so for just for the those just now they get to look at us yeah this is where i i put my hat back on top of my headset yeah because it doesn't fit on my head with the headset on yeah so on my right here i have here evans louise bevins i'm sure and mad robot oh those are not saying again row bottom robot row here i uh i want to talk to you about uh project pinball for a second we've got a couple games here for project pinball yep and uh i noticed one of those games with batman yeah batman 66 i played it a little bit you played a little bit uh you want to tell us what your score was on that game uh i think i was at 250 billion or so and i had like five extras 250 billion yes so i plunged arrested so but uh yep fun game so we're gonna go to jeff here in a second we're gonna have an interview with uh one of our players take it away we're getting ready for the next round here at the classics one tournament at indus first time ever at indus this man right here a former pinburg champ call Colin MacAlpine from texas hey colin how are you i'm doing great jeff thanks one of the greatest players in the world how'd you do to get in this classics thanks a lot i'm in the same boat i had a i had a hemorrhaging ticket that had a one bad game and it was it was the top top standings at the beginning of the morning and then it bled and then it finally died i'm certainly not making fun of you calling because you know how yeah you know how i think of you i wanted to point out that one of the best in the world can't even make this tournament because it's so hard the ticket base a lot of people watching might not understand how the ticket works can you explain you have to make uh all four of your games count so yeah four games and uh it's your it's your ranking score on all four so you can't have a bad game so my case in point i had three good games i had one bad game and i didn't make it and as the tournament goes on you watch that bad game unfortunately lose points every time and you go below the cut line and that's what happens to so many players here it's difficult i mean there are a lot of tournaments that are pump and dump and those kind of tournaments you know you can go back to the well and maybe find it maybe get a grand champ or whatever the case may be you have to have four consistent games here i think it really benefits some of the top players yeah it makes you play consistent i mean i had what we affectionately call a bleeder and uh and that's when you have one low score that's just going to continue to go down and bleed out points and yeah it forces it tries to simulate what finals is like because in finals same thing you can't go play the game over and over again you have to make that game count so it's a nice way of simulating what finals like in rewarding consistent play a lot of people are familiar with big tournaments we're going to be seeing you in march at texas pinball festival and you run a couple of great tournaments there as well with some other wonderful helpers like phil grimaldi uh i know it's a lot of hard work what do you think of when you see indus gear uh this is fabulous and thanks by the way for tpf yeah the end of march last weekend in march the tournament's full sorry you mentioned the tournament the classics is still open but the main tournament's full you can still come to the festival it's one of the best festivals in the world uh this is like the new papa yeah uh this this facility is amazing the the setup is amazing with the tvs over every one of the the open bank you can't see it's behind us or in front of us behind the camera and uh yeah what uh what carl jim and bob and jay uh do here in conjunction with the people who own and run this facility the museum of arcade museum here in banning fabulous stuff it's really the new papa it is incredible too and a big big facility too so i every time i go over to the other side you see people playing and just as big as this room as far as number of people maybe even more but the room i mean you pick a game they probably have it yeah correct and the other thing you miss out you don't realize is just the the level of organization efficiency that uh is pulled off here so as tournament players and and and attendees and participants it's nice when something runs really well and this runs really well so right now we're waiting for the next group to play the top 16 a couple of flybys there oh here we go we didn't we didn't get a boba boo i guess that's all right so we've got 16 players getting ready to go into the quarterfinals correct and uh again the three two one zero format you know you can have a sorry the four to one zero format you can have a bad game and still survive you can have a great game and be out i mean you really have to have at least two good games in this format and josh loves this format because you can come in second and still advance Josh Sharpe who came in second uh yesterday to jason wordrick in the match play event uh they both played fantastic it's funny that a couple of guys from illinois have to come to california to settle their differences it is notable that also josh is like us and also sitting on the outside looking in these uh classic finals i mean that's too bad i wish i wish nothing but the best i see carl back there so we're gonna go back to the booth right now and get to the quarter final action thanks very much Colin MacAlpine thanks jeff and welcome back this is in disc 2020 classics one finals we are in the round of 16 and it looks like we're about set up i believe our camera rig is over ox oh i actually i this was one of the games i've played in in the classics and i i love this game in general i will say that uh it is set up really hard here um as most of the games are yeah most of the games are not very friendly um they make it really work for it yep so yeah as um as colin was saying this is essentially papa west the new papa so all the games here are going to be set up tough as nails whether it's classics whether it's maine whether it's women's whether it's high roller absolutely and and that's that's the fun thing of of really building up that competition and building up the players and saying you've really got to work for it you can't just sit there and make it easy on yourself yep so uh how do you guys play this game what's your objective oxo you can think of it as tic-tac-toe you've got your nice little board in the center uh which is your tic-tac-toe board all right the different switches and rollovers will actually light up different x's or o's for you so some of them are preset when you go over these rollovers at the top any of these will be the actual value that goes over so if it goes over an x it's going to be an x in that top right corner if it goes over an x in the center one it's going to be an x there the down here in the center you've got a lit o or x which will actually determine what a lot of the other shots are so every other shot in the game whether it be the the center stand up or these uh left and right rollovers or the inlanes will light whatever value is set okay so right now we've got o set if uh if they were to shoot that left uh kind of orbiting shot the prospector shot yep they would get an o there just like they did yeah i called that one pretty good that was a good call yeah so when you get three in a row when you get three in a row uh you light these saucers on a normal game these are extra balls and 5 000 points but the big thing there is that 5 000 points so i don't believe extra balls are turned on for this um but i do believe you get uh you get the 5 000 points so once you let you have the scoop slit you just go back and forth yeah if you can get those lit it's a it's a definite good strategy if you can nail that shot into those kaylee's making it easy to explain as he's already lit both of his scoops and now he's yep 5 000 absolutely there is a bonus as well so uh you know the number of of uh o's or x's you have at the end will affect your bonus i think it's one thousand per so do you only need one row to light both scoops one row lights both scoops yes oh so any any single row will light those but they have to be the same all os all x's just like tic-tac-toe yes yeah kaylee was getting a little fancy there and got himself three rows and a decently good 31 000 points that's a it's a really good start all right dj or david real stepping up here i don't know what's a good score on this game 100 uh yeah if you can roll it then you're you're in good shape cool let's go pull up some of the classic scores from qualifying just don't look at mine and you're fine as long as you don't mind i i can explain the game i doesn't mean i can play it the top score was 152 by theresa martin and 11 players did roll the game all right so 100 000 is probably good enough yeah so if you get a tie on the board what happens then you guys just don't get 5 000 scoops uh oh you mean like you get xox kind of thing uh i don't believe it lights i i think that you still get the bonus we've seen it right here you don't get the scoop lit but you still get your bonus points for it but that really hurts you in terms of being able to shoot those scoops so he all right so he's got either he's on x's right now you can't he's on x's he could go for the the bottom which is these two inlanes he just got one of them but it switched to oh so every sling every pop will switch it between x and o it's got a nice pattern going on on the board oh yeah it's a nice pattern and it's also nice for five thousands yep well these guys five thousands lit yeah that's trouble oh oh didn't quite get a flip on it so that's a decent ball oh is there a bonus for how many uh things you got on the ball yeah every single one is a bonus so i think it's a 1 000 per liter is there a double bonus i don't remember that i don't believe so all right i don't think so either yeah it's all about tic-tac-toe then jonathan soon stepping up here got two x's already just needs the uh left some left that left in lane would give him it is this one i will tell you this oxo is playing really fast and and really uh painful for me all right eric stone hasn't lost a game yet so let's see what he does here i mean to be fair any game right yeah so he's trying to chats to get the uh uh he's just chats in forever how much uh how much are the inlanes well it'll it's not points it's it's really about lighting the x and you know so those bottoms i think he was trying to just chats over and over and over again he's just trying to shot someone and if they're 3 that's not a bad idea that may have been it yeah so yeah he's definitely not trying to just do it all right let's see if there is something that eric stone is fantastic at it oh so 31 to 28 to 8 to after ball one it's not where you start it's where you finish so if kaley can average thirty thousand i'm liking his chances just five thousand scooping so he's definitely uh trying to plunge that uh x oh so what changes the play field from oh it's the slingshots slings and the pops will change the o and the x so it's the ten point shot or ten point uh switches oh what is that that's scary okay oxo and there there's a couple hidden slings on this too where you start running into where it's not hidden but you know like that's a sling there it doesn't necessarily look like a sling where that's going to change it as well all right so yeah what does the a b do at the top uh so the a b will light um trying to remember now outland ball site i believe it might be the gate oh it might be this gate over here that that might be it uh pop number as well and what i just saw right there and that doesn't look like that that is it too yes pop bumpers it will light the center bumper oh that was almost the no flip tic-tac-toe and if this game has a top 1000 pop that you could definitely uh play this kind of like a doodle bug and just go for the pop bumpers if they're that valuable yeah yeah i think those 5000 scoops are worth more than everything else though that's really what you want yeah if you can light those 5000 scoops and in a normal game of this when you're playing on location that's also extra ball yes so you're you're really shooting for that so now for the fun situation uh if dj shoots the rollover that's slightly above his the center of his flippers there he will complete his tic-tac-toe uh-oh that's not the oh so now what i need shots the left left oh either one actually huh not the right outlane nope and that's a hard part with this game is is starting to question whether you shoot for something to change the o to an x or whether you just keep going with what you've got i think in match in this match play format especially when you have a lead you probably just want to just try and get as many points as you can while you have the chance definitely so looks like he's lying up his skill shot i don't think he got it see let's see oh in the middle there's another oh you went for the shots yeah it looks like that was an attempt at a live chat to get that last o on the bottom nope just once get it back and he's got it back and it looks like whenever he's got a chance he's going for those uh prospector lanes those top lanes on the left and right yeah that was if it was on oh it would uh just done it for him there i think because it usually goes up this thing and it hits the top of that switch there so you get two i noticed that playing this today is that they're not unreasonable to hit those shots to be able to hit those two so let's see if eric's strat changes or if he's uh sticking to the shots seems like he's got a lot of points already from just doing that so yeah he's um all right let's see what he does here oh he's still doing the chats yeah yep right now if he can get an o in that left in lane i'm liking the chances of being able to chat yeah you just got to be able to get the right i want to see him on the flipper on the right flipper in a cradle with x on the playfield and see if he still shots like if he's still we may see that soon although he does have the powers right yeah all right there it is let's see oh oh i try to slow down that's safe option see if he gets rewarded for it a thousand pop is uh getting them getting some good value there a big shot for him right now having it at oh would be to get that left shots yeah i think he's seeing that thousand pop right now and pushing for it it's gonna be the fabled tic-tac-toe tie another thing about this that we're getting close to that i don't know how it's set on this one in particular um but if you get i think all but one at least of of the squares filled in it will light the specials so the specials are in the uh these kind of upper lanes how much are specials i don't know on this one so normally it's a it's free game obviously yeah and this one i don't know what those specials are set to so with that uh with those fortuitous pop bumpers eric stone takes a commanding lead with 53 000 over kaylee's 36 yep so seems i can be a one ball game and get those 5000 scoops lit and just go back and forth forever and uh just be fine from there yeah unlike wizard this there's no uh setups or no that feed from the right scoop though can seem a little bit scary oh definitely so see if it goes for the right orbit i guess is the best word for it i think i actually got burned on that a couple times today is that right scooter so we can see it come out there oh he got a lazarus on that one but i think that was a slap save actually oh was it i don't like that it definitely went under the flippers but it was uh i was supposed to say the right scoop on this one is mean the left scoop feeds pretty well to the right flipper but that that right scoop is yeah so all right kaylee's not too far behind at 42 000. this is when uh eric and dj can really run away with it they get a big ball here put the pressure on what is dj currently sitting on right now i can't see uh 47 47 okay yep yep uh so yeah we have 42 47 and dj is uh stepping up the machine giving us practice flips yep see what he can get done here he's going to start off with an o definitely seems you want to punch his center too because you can't really get him any other way it's a it's another interesting thing of this i think it starts the default is o so depending on what you plunge it doesn't change it though the only way to change it is those switch hits so uh i think it's inherited uh whatever the last player ended on is what you get okay because right now uh jonathan's sitting on x that is true yep you're right so you wanna uh it doesn't really matter all too much though it's uh you hit the pop bumpers and it'll change yeah yeah there are some classics games where you can give people better situations or worse situations but like on eldorado 5000 placements is when it comes to mind oh yeah i was thinking um blackjack wherever you end your uh hand on yeah it's on 21 or 17 is that the other one yep 20 21 17. all right erica's changed his strategy it looks like yeah it seems like he's uh lost the shots and he's come to terms with uh going for tic-tac-toe those slings are so they're very strong on this one the game the game in general is playing very very fast that's oh we killed it let's say that sling being fire but he still puts him in the lead but yep he probably had a few thousand bonus there 4 000 bonus but more of more ball time is the yeah big fat game so no one's really run away with it yet especially with that right scoop being so dangerous [Applause] and after that carl's making motions at us that i don't i don't know what he's making he's like chopping motions of uh like oh he's saying don't do this we're on the camera right now sorry oh i see you i didn't even see that i was on camera that's funny yeah i know um i mean the other thing is this game is chopping wood so so this is the point where we look up yeah we look towards the camera and say hi hello everyone this is us here while we're waiting for the next player but the next player has started i'm pretty blind i can't really see the screen at all get some x's start oh oh just want to ball on the flipper all right so we're on both four so you still got one left and as you said i mean none of these scores are at a point where you can't catch up on a single ball yeah exactly dj comes swooping in from the rafters ready to start his ball for see what he tries to plunge i'm guessing the uh one of the two in the center yep so got that o in the center and that one there let's get the one on the right and he's golden he tilted as well oh i don't i don't move the games too much but i don't remember being super tight on this so it seems like it's getting stingy now yeah i have to say and we've got two people that tilted out on that i don't think dj really moved it either yeah i don't think there was really anything that warranted a tilt he looks like he might be asking for he's talking to eric right now they're both good buddies so yes i'm not sure if it's ear plugged i think it's actually i think most of them most of them have a a note on them that says if it's not earplugs so there's only certain games that aren't you you really can't ear plug them just because of the way the tilt bob is you just can't fit one on but generally um it's called out if it's not ear plugged yeah so as a psa for anybody who doesn't know about the ear plug what is the ear plug so if you get an ear plug and you can put them in normally or you can cut them in half whatever you want to you put them into the uh the the where the tilt bob it's like sits on a hook yep in a hole and you put it into that so it makes the game slightly less tiltier it's not even less tiltier with the the real thing with it is is you can imagine a tilt bob is a they swing yeah it's it's a it's a long cord with a bell on it and that bell if it hits the edges will will uh tilt you and what happens in a lot of these games you tilt it and that that thing just sits there it's like a pendulum it just swings forever yeah yeah it's two minutes to five minutes to swing and what the earplugs do if you put an ear plug on that kind of the the line down as opposed to the actual bob the tilt is still the same you move this machine the same way it still tilts at the same time but what happens is that it's much faster at settling down in in straightening out so you can tilt and then within 10 seconds even see that you're not tilting anymore so it's uh it's really good for tournaments i recommend as a tournament director you should earplug your games definitely i've seen earplug games and they're fantastic there's no like no waiting around no worrying that you didn't wait long enough it looks like there is some uh discussion about this tilt right now yeah i see jim in there uh looking at the the tilt right now so this is a i believe a tournament rule you can call it at any time to have a tilt inspected oh you can almost see it yeah uh shout outs to emoto for uh running the live cam on the floor giving us this nice action shot of jim yep yeah also shout outs to jim for all the work he's done this weekend so sorry he's already fixed uh Banzai Run uh 14. that's what i'm excited about i want to play that tomorrow yeah i mean i don't know is it going to be working tomorrow who knows that's right i was i was sad about beat the clock today i didn't get a chance to play that and it's gone and and meteor replaced it which makes me sad that's a that's an upgrade in my books see not for me i am in zero danger i know that i know the rules meteor but i can never do it right no it's a great great tournament game perfect crisp reward and i know that meteor has the most dialed spinner i've seen in a while it is a good spinner i will say that so and we're back to some pinball action oh so we have jonathan soon up now all right waited good amount of time [Music] see if uh tilts or not wow it's a fortunate oh there you can just hit the center oh saucer doesn't really do much if you haven't got it lit let's see if he takes a center shot it looks like he's trying to go for that right lane yeah i don't think this oh in the o there it is okay 50 000. so now he can hit 5 000 all day long he really needs to get some in here he's pretty far behind but the only thing he could hope for is maybe the uh a and b to light that 1000 pop bumper but yeah which she's just got she's got so it it might even be safer in a sense to shoot up and oh you got a 5 feet that was a nice speed kind of shooting up here into those pop bumpers trying to get those thousands right scoop is so safe there's an r5 is he alive he's still alive survived at three times as well yeah he's still going after that scoop you definitely want to yeah oh that's a lazarus that was a really close one too it was like yeah that ball just hugged the flipper for dear life yeah yep how many tic-tac-toes he's got two now he's got two tic-tac-toes he's hit the scoop the saucer three times and he's gotten a fair amount of pop bumper action so it looks like uh what i was talking about earlier is not set on this game where the specials light when you get uh all but one of the uh the card yeah with that flurry of work jonathan will be taking the lead not quite yet because well i guess for now yeah for now eric's still got a ball but he's also got a three six seven eight eight thousand bonus yep looking at it there's no that'll put him at seventy plus an eight so he'll be 78 even if he drained right now yeah just kind of wants the ball in the flipper yeah but let's go up there that's a good ball seventy or maybe eighty he's gonna get eighty yeah he's gotta get eighty i think takes its squid old time calendar there you go yep that's a that's a good thing going into ball five yeah uh selling chat's a triple bonus on ball five i'm not sure if that's true or not i don't know i don't remember there being any extra bonus but i could be wrong so eric steps up he's got almost the center column of x is done i wonder if he's actually going to go for that risky center target i don't think it's worth it if you can hit it on a nice angle it'll come back to you and okay but it's it's definitely risky i think oh he's going for it and he got it but he got it as an o yeah i think so now he's gotta hit that left kind of orbiting shot on that being oh yeah and this is that point where you start going do i care about trying to switch the value to o or do i just play it and get the 1000 bonus there's a thousand pops so at this point in eric's position i would just start playing for points because you don't need to win necessarily winning's nice but two points is a lot better than no points i've learned that a lot yeah as the person who keeps getting no points yep oh that's a fortunate in lane there yeah he's got some good bonus here 6 000. eric has found himself out of a few sticky situations so far but that will oh yes so it actually unlights your pop bumper there though it did yep because it lights the gate and the pop bumper at the same time that's that a b so when you shoot those oh all right that lights his 5 thousands but when you shoot that little alley shot it almost always hits the a or the b so he he really wants to shoot that left uh kind of orbit shot yeah try this uh follow his card out and then is it the card more valuable than the i don't know if the card is more valuable i think there's there's value to the lines that are above and beyond the one thousand per year that's five thousand let's see if it's oh there it goes and the uh scoop is favoring jonathan today apparently yep so but that's going to put him over that's going to roll him yep i don't know it didn't 98 000. yeah close enough but on his next ball yeah yeah i think the uh the pause and play definitely benefited jonathan there the game is able to rest a little bit there's got a little bit more strength there's definitely a light at the bottom of that play field yeah oh there is absolutely and it is on so so there is a an extra bonus here at the end tic tac toe three in a row but if it's truly a bonus multiplier then it really doesn't matter if you get three in a row all that matters is the number of cards you get filled tic-tac-toe doesn't make any sense yeah it's too complicated just just fill those in fill as many of those as you can no pop bumpers there it's if he shoots that shot again he's really good on that yeah right now with a thousand pop bumper lid i would definitely be going for that he survives yep yeah that looks like the play is going for okay he's definitely going for those saucers all right i think yeah he's going up top yeah he's trying to get the ball up top get some oh hopefully it'll go under those top lanes oh yeah yep the top pop bumpers the thousand year ones are 100. [Music] oh the insert saved them there just once more points here is that is that 60 74 with uh i call it 4 000 bonus so he's he's at 70 with the bonus right now yes just wants some oh he needs to he needs to do more than 80. this tic-tac-toe board isn't looking so great because he just needs that top one but you can't oh that was a that was nice still alive on the fly it takes another in lane takes off there we go this is a really important skill shot because he can plunge his ex here he was really good at the top x in the center yep he he plunged like first three balls every single time so this is when it truly matters can you hit that skill shot he's taking his time to think about it yeah yeah this is the time to do it balls in the shooter lane it's going nowhere so if he has uh six thousand a bonus so that's 18 it's not quite enough needs a bit more oh i didn't get the skill shot got the oh but he can take the center shot if he so chooses he also has an out on the left oh oh my god everything but the center should have anything else how much is dj at is that 94 uh 98. he just rolled it to 102. is that kayla's at 102. uh what's this david dj is that there's no names well enough dj then is that 54 right now do you have 54. oh yeah because he tilts it yeah jonathan's at 80 and uh eric's at 98. so right now as long as it's uh eric doesn't tilt he can pass by just plunging kind of i guess it's not one of those automatic ones but yes yes oh so dja is coming last and that's gonna be last yeah yep and jonathan's stepping up at 80 000 now so jonathan's really hoping to pass i mean he's in great shape to pass uh okay let's pass either of them oh yeah yeah just needs to uh he doesn't even light his scoop here the goal is 102 000. yes and you just need to and with that oh it's not quite enough no that's not gonna be enough all right so eric needs to hit anything 93 yeah he needs to find a thousand eight hundred points because he gets three thousand for plunging yeah he needs there we go three thousand or two thousand two thousand obviously doesn't tilt right now he will take this win yeah let it go oh there he goes what a way to go style points so that'll be eric kylie jonathan and then dj yep so this is the almost the current standings of the open but yeah we have the uh first classics games finishing up we're waiting for a refresh on this once the scores are entered and uh that's your game right there so yep so it's pretty big scores on spanish size 84 and uh 71. ryan wanger yeah he's money on that spanish size every time i've seen him play it he's gotten over 80 000. so yeah spanish size is one of those games where if you know what to expect and you know exactly what you're shooting at you can score quite high consistently yep i don't know either of those things so so yeah spanish eyes is a strange one yeah i didn't play it today i've never played it i don't think i've actually ever played that game so you definitely need to find some time to play a spanish eyes it's um it's a fantastic quirky one player em okay uh there's a lot of footage of it at what was that pinbury on the stage this first time i ever played it yeah okay there's a fantastic game in uh whipped on it yes the there's uh it was the first game of finals was on yeah i think it was in the final four yeah it was a fantastic tons of people scoring 80 000 yeah gun fight to the end kind of a game and it's great television if you want to go see it but speaking of television we are here at in disc 2020 classics one round of 16. shout out to inland empire pinball i'm louis bevins i'm esther lefkov i'm matt robot and we're getting situated into game number two i don't know where the uh where are we i'm trying here we're about to go we're going to stand up for a second i see it moving it's in the middle it's whatever paradise it's the one that i haven't seen like ever because papa doesn't have it therefore i don't know it yep but if you want to look behind us we have the open division you can see the open behind us it's uh pretty interesting to watch uh the nice thing about the open here is that they've put screens above all the machines in the open so you can actually watch very easily watch the game play as it's going on yeah without having to kind of crowd in that was the part while playing classics today was as you're trying to watch if you don't you're someone like me who doesn't know the games that well you're sitting there crowding in uh all right i'm lost where are we at we are on i've never seen this game before it's so what's that it's oh what the hey um someone in chat probably cosmic princess cosmic princess that is absolutely a cosmic princess it is a stern ooh you've never seen before do you know you can't tilt through on stern solid state games i did not you can actually tilt in the trough and plunge and you'll get it back yep all right it's the exact exact same real estate as magic thanks carl for uh for giving us notes all right 77 000 ball one so if it's the same scoring as magic then that's all right it's not a terrible ball one that's not that's not a great ball one there for dj but uh it's like magic then it's a one ball game he's got to get those spinners put the ball up top get the top lanes to advance your spinner and then spin your spinner spinner does seem like unlike magic the uh bonus multiplier targets that five bank is not that hard to get to and you probably will get a few of those just off the pop bumpers itself so we're talking about this bank up here on the upper left yes it almost looks like uh what's that game called trying to blank i have one alliance i always forget not cheetah right it's not cheetah it's a really it's a strange one yes actually you got the you got that one where you get the 9000 in lane and then you rip the spinner yeah it looks just like it actually so yeah electron dammo's got some very interesting uh sound effects as well yeah it's a fun game definitely but we have kaylee george stepping up uh so who's the high seed in the group because kaylee went first last game he's going third here so uh we can look it up here my phone is i got i got it so he is the one that's eric chose to go fourth in both games giving kaylee choice and then kaylee chose to go kaylee chose oxo and then he chose to go third here and then jonathan picked this you can only choose the game once okay that is true so yeah there there's a very limited number of games here and if you choose one that's it that's the only time you get especially if you win the first game you have a layer of protection that it's like okay i know i'm gonna win like uh jungle queen or something yep so so i'm gonna save jungle queen until i really until you need it yeah but sometimes it's just too late yes and it looks like uh right now kaylee has the center top lane which alternates more points between one of the two spinners oh so yeah you want to just send it back up top get as many lanes as you can and then rip the lid spinner or regardless of if it's lit or not you're shooting the spinner on the side that you're on yes bailey did try to shouts to get to the to get that left spinner so he can get back up top though like magic it's got a giant flipper gap a lot of sensors i have a ghostbusters at home so i i know what flipper gap is you know yeah that's that's a game with a bit of a flipper gap that is very complex well still you got a decent amount of points for that you hit some drops down so all right jonathan's got the lead here but really this is anybody's game right now 8.78 to yeah nobody's put up a unbeatable score yeah and again if it's like magic one ball game and one thing we we are seeing so the uh the drops do carry over between balls i think it like lines up for bonus multiplier so it starts with two and then goes to three and then four then uh what game does that i forget and some small spinner turns it's got a 400 lit on the right what's the base spinner is it like 200 maybe i don't know i don't know it's 100 or 200 if it's magic it's 200. oh that's cool that's rough i think i got a lot of points for that yeah yeah that rewarded him very well that was one major spin right there and he's sitting at 246 so as you can see getting those lit there is a collect bonus scoop at the top does it collect with multiplier and does it reset it's a real question if it's like magic as we've been saying that's our catchphrase right now if it's like magic then it does collect with bonus and it does reset all right so it is worth shooting after a long ball but it doesn't look like you can skillfully shoot it consistently yeah oh my god twice rough he plunged to center lane and gets punished dj just needs to uh get a ball in the flipper he's been flipped in three balls now it's one of these kind of things where you start wondering do you try to get that plunge that actually brings it to that left orbit you gotta punch that out you gotta i i know yeah yeah it's uh yeah nobody look kaylee just punching the flipper yep and then goes back up the left and then back in the center lane oh that was the oh that was the role dj got but it was just a little bit lower yep can see just having a few lights lit kaylee's already sitting at 73 000. yup there's a set of drops down so bonus multiplier yes oh my god oh no backwards bounce he'll take 30 000 for his troubles so he's sitting at about 128 131 shout outs to scorebit for giving us these live feeds right right in front of our face making all the scorekeepers lives easier in maine oh my god those top slings are angled with the so i know not to play this tomorrow this is kind of what i'm learning from this game is don't bother trying if you have a bad first game then maybe maybe just for fun so if it's anything like magic i would definitely say uh this is not going to be one of my favorites in classics too it's a fun pump and dump game but ticket it's just can kill you too quick you only need one good ball on it oh on the fly just one spot on the flipper thousands on the other side let's see if you just go yeah he just goes through the spinner oh and he hit it and that spinner it wasn't a huge bonus but it was more that the pop bumper swapped the spinner so it actually uh it was a thousand there and one thing i think i did see on there is that the collect bonus did reset the bonus it looked like yes but it does well if you have a 2x it'll uh the backward spinner up another light oh that goes off the whatever target is over there there is a target below that right spinner so it's funny because you want to rip the right spinner when the thousands not on it because it hits that this top it's not a sling but it's a switch right there and it swaps it immediately i think that's also like magic believe it or not oh that was a big shot yeah you can turn a try at it there it is oh we didn't even hit the switch so it was a perfect spinner rip and gets a 2x bonus yep and gets in our spinner and hits the switch to actually swap it over yeah and it'll cash out that big bonus collects yep that was yeah it's going pretty well for uh jonathan here jonathan is having a great game since he's going first it sounds like he picked it so yeah there's another big old spinner shot so now he's got i believe that's all the lights lit and uh unlike magic having fun now do you want light and sometimes it seems like there's some kind of bonus up top oh yeah it's probably a special or something yeah was the first time you got to say the words unlike magic i don't know what's the qualifying tournament where's that at oh let's put them in qualify i didn't let's go dig out the game scores see so cosmic princess top score is jackson streely at 1.4 million wow three players rolled the game all right so top 10 score jonathan finished or if jonathan wasn't qualifying that would have been the 13th place score right there wow there's 12 other people that hit more spinners than that all right well let's see it it's actually pretty funny there's a cluster right below a million to seven hundred thousand nobody at six hundred thousand and a cluster below that yeah uh what game was it was on uh high stakes on prospector there's like five scores over a million two and then there's no one between seven hundred thousand and uh 1.2 million wow it's probably changed now but prospector even words so dj gets some flips he's playing he's playing the ball machine there's a spinner rip good points there just wants to get a chance got zero on the first game so he really needs at least second it's unfortunate that jonathan's winning for dj because uh it's one of the lower point ones yeah it'll lock him out yeah i don't know if he's going to be locked out for good but it's so not a great situation to be in it is really not good for him right now it's going to be like if it ends what it is right now it's five five four five four four one and that that's kind of a death sentence there so there is an out there is a way yes dj really wants eric to win this game yes i think eric does too it's in his personal interest i was about to say knowing eric even if he's uh safely through he's gonna try to win that last game yep as we saw earlier when he took a 12 and forced people to play a tiebreaker yeah always play your best always play your best all right he's at 199 called oh goodness he's alive he's got a probably 40 000 in bonus right now so it's like about 50 000 a spinner shot there's a double collection and that collects that 50 000. yeah so it looks like bonus maxes out pretty quickly yeah it's at 19 and most of these give you three three yeah yeah this is a good old-fashioned stern where the inlanes give you a ton of bonus yeah but you don't want to chat something because they'll go all the way yeah big shot here lines it up good points looks like if you go up that left lane as well but it gets three bonuses in the outlane woohoo six thousand phillip a solid score to put up there yep especially for puts a lot of pressure on eric for a one ball 270 000 not bad it's lining up to be a three-way tiebreaker almost oh my god oh it's definitely lining up it's like oh that's an inland right just kidding it's a right allen wow so was that that's five four four yeah five four four one yeah the commentators predicted it right five four four one jonathan takes the lead with his win picks up two more points ties himself with eric stone's last and and david's got a chance theoretically it's two else he has to he has to win and he has kaylee to take or no he needs jonathan to take second yep okay and then he'll be in a tiebreaker with one of the other people i think actually yeah he would be in a three-way tie breaker with two going through uh it would be no it would be oh no you are sorry seven six six five or six seven six six five actually yeah wait if dj wins there's some fun situations i believe yeah fun for us necessarily for them yeah fun for dj as well if it works out fun for everybody watching yeah dj needs to win and then he needs help so yes and if you are wondering where we are this is inland empire pinball we are at in disc 2020 this is the classics one round of 16. i'm lewis bevins and i'm eshel lefkoff and i'm matt robottom all right we're waiting for the uh games to wrap up here yeah all right we got the short end of the stick with the time wise carl's looking at us we're gonna go to a quick interview here with uh with gene go into an interview i'll tell you what i love about seeing this guy gene x wong first of all he's a great guy it's always nice to see him here in california but the photos he takes are incredible you see it on orange photography and on social media gene after you take a bunch of pictures everyone uses your pictures for their profile yeah that's pretty cool to see that when i when i see you know people's updated or if they tag me so i see it or even if i just see it on ifpa as well it's kind of neat to kind of get that i don't know confirmation that people like the photos i mean i'm not doing it for people liking it i just it's like what i do so i always kind of go see that my favorite picture you've ever taken to myself is when you did when you and i didn't even know each other and we are looking at two-thirds of the official media partners here i guess behind the camera you can't see her emoto hearty oh there she is we're very glad to be here at indus so many great sponsors to score bit we've been watching scorebit and people putting their scores in and then the score keepers boom it's right there that's pretty neat it is it is like uh and that's you know started in our area with brian and jay and ron who moved to new york and uh eddie's also here on the team and it's really cool to see that working and i saw the banners up and everything uh and we get a little bit of that back home too because they you know they got them on some of our local machines so it's very cool helps the scorekeepers out i had to tell one scorekeeper he was trying to enter my score like it's just that button you know it's like already there well it's so new that people are scorekeepers are like oh it's that easy one button i think partially he was like because i'm wearing my void in recute i think he was thinking that i was gonna avoid because it was a very poor story yeah anyway thanks very much gene we'll look forward to the photos and moto we'll look forward to the videos enjoy this great stream on ie pinball and welcome back we have some results we're uh still working through some things we have flash results uh joe lemire taking a dominating run at the round of 16 he's already through leaving uh dave grant and howard both at three with one game to play and uh i think that's ron halel i'm trying to look over uh my side here i've been uh given a change of the guard uh joining us in the booth will be Colin MacAlpine hey lewis how's it going today it's going great oh well you know not making classics finals was a bummer but you know yeah you can't can't make them all and you know i i tried and but i'm have got a nice ticket and uh open so yes happy with that where are you sitting right now in the open third very nice yeah i've got uh i think i'm 21st right now but it's one of those things where i just need to get a fourth game to click and it's gonna feel a lot better so you have three on the ticket right now yeah i have uh i have two tickets with three on right now um i my current good ticket is a really good rescue 9-1-1 a really good alice cooper a pretty darn good um i forgot what the third game on that ticket was but um and then i have two games that are like about 60th right now so how many billions on rescue 911 for your your pretty good rescue 9-1-1 6 billion oh yeah that's that's that's good that's good billions and then um i had to go uh walk away for a while then i saw a commotion back and i'm like okay who's doing it this time and what do you know Keith Elwin almost gets 10 billion 9.9 9.9 and change yeah you have to have a lot of stamina and patience to play rescue 9-1-1 uh it's a it's very satisfying when you're playing in a ticket format and you can you know get get a hold of that game and just you know because it's uh it's safe exactly it's one of those games um uh old code black knight sort of rage premium was the same way you would just play for 40-45 minutes and for the most part it comes up to your endurance not your endurance is being able to make the shots after holding a flipper for 30 minutes on it yeah and for me i was stage flipping and so yeah my hand was getting after a while it got kind of sore all right we what are we waiting on uh this uh tie break still or are we we actually have two games left in our uh classic so we're gonna be uh getting some nice shots here uh shout outs to emoto again for running the live camera we have a nice pan of that uh open bank right there so here we are at in disc 2020 this is the classics one tournament and uh also part of the uh classics are not part of the open but uh it's part of indisc and the open the ifpa open championship is now here at indus you can see that in the camera ground right now with the all the tv displays over each of those pins so anybody who's watching uh waiting their turn or watching somebody they know or wanting to see how game plays uh can watch it an all glorious uh uh high definition something relatively large tv screen i don't know exactly yeah it's been really nice because when you can go back and if you're if you're about to play a game or you're you're trying to learn a game or just understand what how that game is playing you don't have to lean over people to try and see what the game is playing like you just look up on this monitor and actually see it yeah correct yeah i actually uh had it come in today thinking i'm gonna probably have to learn a new game and that today for me that was black rose watching some players in front of me put up some solid scores seeing their strategies and then going i can probably do the same thing but i'm gonna try that see i had the other experience which was i i was gonna play um rescue 9-1-1 until i watched uh keith in front of me put up you were in point you were for the player at that point you just gotta kind of go uh never mind yeah there's there's a short list of people i would not want to be behind waiting on that game yeah yeah i did three nine on my ticket and the prior ticket before that i did two something yeah so yeah once you find it it's uh it's there for the taking exactly and it's not hard to get back to that multiball because assuming you've got a ball trapped up you can always postpass hit it up put it in the lock conceptually it's not hard to do that in execution although again watching watching keith do it i i yeah yeah i think he went through three or four multi-balls on one ball just getting that same thing over and over again trapping up on the top right trapping on the left and just over and over again getting the jackpot oh yes and there are some other interesting games here uh some games with modifiers over on my right uh there's a diner you're hungry and we've got cheese pepperoni and sausage i mean so pepperoni sausage you can have a whole card of pizzas uh but yeah you're right yeah a lot of these have a different mod on them yeah diner for example does have a mod on it that changes the rule set a fair bit yeah there's no more uh just shooting the cup once and getting back to multiball you've got to do it the hard way and you got to spell it yeah it resets every time so the the normal strategy there is spell it out but don't finish it correct and just keep going for it but you can't do that here plus that that diner also plays meme it doesn't work yeah you your multiballs typically will not last long in fact my one that i played on it i think it i got control of the first ball that came out of the pops not the second ah yeah i haven't played i haven't played any of the opens yet i i i backed off after i saw so i went i'm gonna wait till tomorrow i'm gonna haven't played any games yet surprised i played a few classics okay so i i did the uh the classic match play yesterday which was great it was a lot of fun um and then i put a couple cards in for classics today and didn't do very well yeah uh did some score keeping for high stakes to just kind of see what things were going but sure tomorrow i think will be my my day to really put in some entries yeah i did the reverse of that but in the meantime all right wizard we do have wizard and it does look like eric actually picked a game this time seeing that he's in a situation where he definitely wants to perform oh wow that hurts that that happened to me a lot today on these classics games is uh i'm usually an outlane drainer i'm usually the type to drain in outlanes and uh today almost every drain i had was down the middle this is a it's a pretty big flipper gap on this and and plus the the feed from the uh the drops lane so coming down the the side where you qualify all the different bonuses you can where you can't recollect all the different little awards that you can qualify so you're talking about right down here right correct and it comes down to that left flipper and many wizards you can just do this beautiful dead bounce oh that actually worked okay he did that thanks for the uh very uh i was prognosticating there so yeah but that i think that only works on a quick feed on this one if it's not moving fast it's going to bloop up and then threat of going straight down the middle i i noticed that a lot today is as i kept expecting the ball to do things it was not doing between yeah dead bouncing or between even just uh kind of rolling in from an inland hoping it would oh what's that what's [Music] it was faster or earlier than a post transfer and the ball please somebody clipped it it was like an antiques yeah it was like a reverse and then moonwalk to the outlane that was ridiculous and i'm sure dj is thinking the same oh yeah god i'm gonna have to watch that back later that that i'm gonna have to watch that back later i don't know how that happened that was magic i mean because that's that is actually a nice skill move you can use to oftentimes push the ball partially up the in lane to give yourself a nice little feeding you can sometimes do little backhands oh that oh let's see that's danger and into the slings and still uh not in control there's a couple rewards nice dead bounce control all right kaylee's gonna rip that spinner he's going to hope for the saucer or the lane and the saucer is not kind yeah it's not it's not a deep saucer where you kind of yeah so that's big because that was the double bonus and he already has uh 13 000 in bonus uh so this is a very nice score with very few seconds played so far yeah not only did he get that three he actually got the one two and four while he was up there so he's got everything lit right now and his double bonus he's he's poised to put up a pretty solid ball of wizard right now i'd say yeah and max is at fifteen thousand so he's already maxed oh i'm sorry it doesn't it does not max a fifteen thousand okay there we go and we're one away from max which at that point shoot everything else because yeah so his spinner is lit for a whopping 100 per spin but you know nothing to sneeze out all the spinners here are nice and dialed thank you to the in-disc staff and techs absolutely for putting in the hard work to get all their spinners dialed uh so this one maybe those those hundreds added up let's see what his score is at uh 15 000. okay that wasn't eight that wasn't too bad a value yep plus he has a few lit flags those are worth a fair amount of points yep and oh no oh no he might have been able to save that but he's he's fine because there's no not when you got 38 000 in the bank yeah yeah he tripled his score from his bonus yeah that's when you just say okay i accept my fate give me my points correct yep pay me so for those of you who are have just tuned in what we're talking about in terms of flags is uh is these three you want to shoot over in this area here to qualify one of those three flags and one of those is the double bonus and then that this lane goes down and collects that award after you've qualified it but you have to qualify it first and uh and that's how you get the double bonus yeah and that's that's the big the big scoring in this game is getting your bonus and and double bonus and it's the same with letting the the uh spinner two i believe right one of these flags i don't know three or four i can't remember what three of these three is the double bonus oh okay um [Applause] the top saucer does that give a flag no the top saucer does not the two the two top rollover buttons give flags but i think it's one and four yeah it's uh the left one is one the right one is for and then the saucer itself is three thousand and another three thousand in bonus so if you uh get a plunge dialed in on this game like that you can usually get one of the rollovers plus a 3 000 saucer yeah and it you know it adds up you know five ball game all right let's see which post uh mechanism and he's definitely not gonna do what he did before yeah i think dj's learned that lesson all right let's see if we can get it on the desired flipper which is the right flipper control the slings were telling them what to do but the slings also aren't giving them control they're real strong this is set to five ball uh black blazing uh thank you for asking the ems all the electromechanical games here are set to five ball and there is actually one solid state that was set to five ball sinbad oh it was set to fight i didn't play that one today so i'm not sure if that was intentional or if they just missed that one in terms of their setup because extra balls were also on oh my god that was taking so long to play well it was a mean playing sinbad yeah it had very strong flippers and so you immediately hit the drop targets you desire to hit and then you drain all right but back to back to wizard it's not necessarily the most exciting game to watch but the excitement is in the competition so what we're seeing here is we've got eric and kaylee and jonathan all vying to advance dj has a chance but he needs things to happen just right he would have to yeah everything has to line up perfectly for him to force a tie he has one out his out is he needs to take first jonathan must take second and then it doesn't matter whether eric or kaylee takes uh third or fourth so that's his that's his only out to be able to uh to tie i believe yeah it's uh actually there is another one there is one more yeah you're right if jonathan goes if dj gets first and jonathan doesn't get third there's a tiebreaker yeah it just depends on if it's uh three players playing for two spots or three players playing for the dreaded one got it yep you're right jonathan's having some trouble here on this but regardless so here here comes uh dj let's see dj's at 20. so we're sitting at uh 100 113 000 for air is he does he have a hundred thousand no no he's got thirteen yeah okay sorry i saw that little blue light above uh elton john's head that halo i thought that was the hundred thousand that's just a reflection so eric misses the saucer he also does not get the flag lane does a nice drop catch and sends it right back up top well played and there's the saucer which will feed the flag lane let's see how he decides to control it he does a not really a drop catch kind of a held flipper thing which didn't give him a great shot from the right all right and still out of control he tried to do a shots or an alley pass from left to right and uh still not getting a good solid controlled shot and still not there now he'll get one on the fly nails it and let's see if you can get that double bonus that will happen and you get a few extra for it yeah so he's already at uh what do we got 15 so 30 000 bonus yep queen's off the glass no cleans off the glass or is celebrating swirl marks i don't know celebratory swirl marks that's uh something i haven't seen before nice that was a great drop catcher that was that was dicey dangerous he was so late on that alley pass but he still survived all right so he's 2 000 away from max bonus which he can get from going up top or from other various targets and that lane will get us so now he's at max bonus and at this point uh lewis what do you do to press points when you're at max double bonus at this point i would just keep doing the same thing oh my did you see that feed that was the nicest that was lovely this wizard's probably given all day but yeah i would do the same exact thing he's doing right now just the spinners are worth a hundred take them the saucers are worth three thousand take them if you happen to fall in the pops they're all worth a hundred it's not the end of the world so the yeah the excitement in this game is is watching the execution of the players and doing the thing and that thing is getting the ball to the right flipper and shooting the spinner and going backing up top and hoping that it goes in the saucer in the flag lane and doing that until you lose whether you have max bonus or no bonus so there's really not much nuance to this game yeah there is a there is uh some argument for hitting the 5000 target once you're maxed out that was going to be my alternate would be if if you find that shot and if it doesn't immediately kill you uh the 5000 is not so we're talking about this right the 5000 stand up in that little kind of alcove there which typically on on wizard is a very dangerous shot it's going to shoot it right back out down the middle for you yeah it oftentimes will so here we go we have dj and so dj as we mentioned before he must win in order to have a chance so he needs to have a big big ball here uh eric laying down a nice score of 81 000 already we're on ball is this ball three this is ball three yeah and that would have been great to catch that saucer unfortunately did not so he's going to have to survive which he does puts it back into the pops for a little bit oh then did he tilt or that did it collect there i think he collected okay it wasn't it wasn't high i think it was like two or three thousand it was yeah no i'm just wondering how the the tilt bomb on this so have you guys watched this game already in the entire round i played it i don't think i came close to tilting it so i don't know but i don't i don't move games a whole lot yeah we watched this earlier and we didn't see a single tilt yeah i can't think of a tilt i've seen on this one kaylee just hit the 5000 target he did i think it wasn't live for five and i don't think he meant to that was a great alley pass and getting control on the right flipper and right into that the speed was perfect into the saucer unfortunately he did not have any flags oh and he uh missed and he drained so a well-deserved drain there for kaylee uh he's uh sitting uh he's in great shape pretty nice though he's in the lead right now at 89 8 000 more roughly than uh than eric jonathan needs to do to do quite a bit here on this one so he's he's only a four thousand through two balls so he's he really needs to do something put something together here the only good news for jonathan is that every ball is uh is an individual oh my gosh that's a that's that's a shame yeah i was going to say that every ball is an individual it's not so it's a complete reset in other words there's not like a bonus carryover there's not progress there's not bonus sex carry over like you see in you know classic stearns and uh eric jumps right in nails the skill shot down the flag oh and that one oh okay so wizard gives and wizard takes away so it kind of gave him that weird or not weird but very nice but unusual he got a very nice to the right flipper and that time is like i'm going to split the the difference and then drain you yeah hell uh looks like dj is up i don't know where dj is right no there's dj there we go so dj's at looks like 37 basically right now he's got he's got a tall order left on his plate but 2000 right now you can see that in a ball yeah i mean and he's he's he's playing for a first he's basically a second won't do it for him yeah and then so the the the size besides gg playing for first so obviously eric and kaylee you know both want to win because if they win they're they're guaranteed to be in and if if either eric or kaley takes second and jonathan uh does not uh does not win then that person has a chance for a tie break with uh with jonathan or even when beating him out right uh if he takes a zero so jonathan that's the shame for jonathan right now is he's unfortunately in a a very distant uh last place yeah so uh dj not nice control there oh so he what he's trying to do he's trying to get the stop on his left flipper but it wasn't successful but he flailed away in it and got the same outcome that he wanted oh and he was early he nailed that post to the right of the spinner and went back to the sling and put it right out lane somewhere close to 60 i think it'll take the knot of death there but considering where he was at the beginning of that ball he's definitely closed some of the gap for the ball five kaylee's stepping back up trying to push away from eric stone to lock his way into the round of eight and also just make it harder for jonathan exactly oh he wanted control there but flipped a little bit too early and trying to get it to oh and he gets it in the saucer anyway yeah he'll take that 4 000 bonus because he had that flag as well oh he almost pulled a dj oh oh that's cool it's out and that did tilt oh yeah we do have a tilt on that one so he's not gonna get any bonus but he's still gonna finish out with uh oh thank you with a 97 000 which is putting him in first right now so yeah so here we are we're in ball four jonathan stepping up essentially going please please wizard don't don't just let me give me another ball down let me let me play i laugh but i laugh in sympathy because this is definitely a situation i've seen myself in a few times my day has been like that today that's that's why i stopped playing i said i'm just done please let me play yeah there's a reason i'm right here right now and not playing it open um yeah after i had played that rescue 9-1-1 game i just felt burnt out i just couldn't play oh no oh he saved that one comes to the tip come on let him play let him let him there oh no okay he's got he's got the three he's got it he's got the three he's got the flag that you want for sure he's got the good flag he just needs a flipper come on transfer oh no no he shot for i don't know what it's not lit for five no i think i think jonathan is one of those types of players who um he's a little bit more of a flow player than a catch and release player he's uh he's just going to try and keep that ball going rather than and i can relate to that because i'm the same way i don't tend to trap up a whole lot which is obviously way better when you're good at trapping up and being able to to nail the shot so it does look like eric will be at best second he practically has a house ball there 91 000 ending up on ball five dj stepping up so dj's got to get a he's got to pass haley and put the pressure on yeah one ball of uh double bonus maxed out will get him there yeah absolutely that would that would help him roll it and that's the start you want to see get a few thousand in bonus to start out he's trapped up he feels good go for that spinner yep i wouldn't start going for the three flag right now i'd work towards getting some bonus just get some points on the board pop that back out takes a second to recollect catches breath finds the saucer see the return that's the hard thing here is it's figuring out do i hold up the flipper and do i drop catch it or do i just uh dead bounce it across all these uh flipper techniques you don't know which one is actually going to be the one you need to use oh oh it's tough with these two i mean subtle things like the the actual rubbers that happen to be on those slippers make a huge difference in terms of whether you can dead bounce that so it looks like kaylee is through right now hey i'm jeff yeah haley can do no worse than a second here yes i'm the curator and eric's looking good just because it's so difficult to catch a big score in john's position yeah i mean you you maxed out at 38 000 and then the points are so slow yeah yeah at this point uh dj is out but has a formidable score that jonathan will need to pass to force a tiebreaker oh that's tough he tried to catch that back on that left flipper by flipping it back up again but yeah it went a little too far a little bit of wit and charm there but he will light the hundred thousand light and a little over a hundred and ten thousand all right so our last uh last player of this game jonathan is going to need a lot of points on one ball he has wood to chop he definitely has some wood to chop oh that was a bit of a dicey return coming off the tip of the flipper there it did get to the flipper though he's caught it he take a breath for a second looks like he tried to alley you know he knows he's got a long haul to have a chance so oh my gosh oh backhand on the fly i'm all for this okay and then and now yeah and that's that danger of playing i gotta find i gotta find a motor and so congratulations to kaylee and eric for advancing from the quarterfinals into the semi-finals of the first day of classics here at in discs 2020 in banning california and we're actually we're going to go now to an interview on the floor outstanding thing one two testing check good say hi check one two hey hi moto casey all right looks like we're testing we're live this is live streaming right now chuck casey's here right now the curator of the museum of pinball thank you very much for inviting all these hundreds of people here oh you're welcome our pleasure it's a great event and we're i'm happy to have indes back again this year now chuck this facility is only open a few times a year three times a year sir yep so what do you have i know about this arcade expo so our biggest vince is uh arcade expo in march each year right around st patrick's day it's a three-day event okay and i mean this how many machines are over there i stopped counting i can only count so approximately um 575 pinball machines about 600 video games we call it 1200 plus well that right over here where we're playing and you're seeing a lot of this area here that we're filming this actually the video game area right now absolutely we kind of compacted all the video games on each other to build this uh tournament area you know they talk about you know meccas and the taj mahal and great places to go to this is like nerd heaven we're in heaven we are so fortunate as volunteers to be able to come here uh we come once or twice a month and work on the machines it's hard to stay up on every year we about catch up and then we do an event and then we catch up again yeah but it's it's our extreme pleasure to be able to come and take care of this collection chuck you're talking about some of the volunteers and some of the staff and let's give a shout out to some of those people that really make this possible oh yeah i really couldn't do it without them i have um 35 family members that are just some of my best friends um we have parties outside here about 80 people total come and go and help me throughout the year uh 35 though really make it make it happen it's very very special i mean when you see a pinball tournament this large it can't be held anywhere it has to be somewhere that can hold this many people and get bigger what a great place i mean when you're not in the tournament you can go play 575 pinball machines and and we do have the space we have the cafeteria we have a lot more i saw the walter day museum we have a walter day museum we actually have a theater um it kind of goes on and on it's a fairly big campus thank you very much chuck it's great yeah thanks nice meeting you okay i'm going to bring on joe lemaire right now joe just advanced to the semi-finals hey joe how are you how are you all right joe lemaire you know him from the head-to-head pinball podcast and uh a wonderful player you actually just had a big tournament last weekend i did um what was last weekend god i can't even remember i was just i'm getting i saw the thousand dollars you wanted oh yes that's right yes up in that car arcadia yeah i can't keep track of this stuff so yeah they won a thousand dollars which is the first time i've won that kind of money outside of winning papa b so um and you know i had it was really tough competition and it was in arcadia national bar in maine is a great location so and joe you know for a lot of people yourself included we just had chuck on here talking about this wonderful museum of pinball the curator here and how hard it is to make everything happen this is your first time here so what are your thoughts oh this place is amazing i i've there's games here i never knew existed that i've gotten to play i mean there's some of them probably in the banks yeah this yeah there's at least i think three in this bank for the classics that i've never seen before played and i mean there's le versions of all sorts of stuff they have a magic girl which is the first time i've gotten to see it which is just gorgeous it's behind ropey you can't play it but i mean there's so much it's maybe for the best if you didn't flip it that's what i've heard so hopeful for the future right so um but yeah this place is unbelievable i i this is a yearly trip for me i i'd like to hopefully make it that way but i haven't even played open yet i've just been classics and playing out there in those amazing games so well i see that they're setting up here i know you're getting ready to play in the semi-finals uh your first round you and phil burbaum were in a group of somebody by the name of Keith Elwin who might have his name on several of these banners yeah i think i've heard of him yeah yeah it was it was hard fought and keith made such a ridiculous save on comet i thought that that was the end of it right there but it's uh it's i mean every all the players who are playing right now are all extremely good so i'm considering myself lucky to even play with them at this point well joe best of luck i'm seeing bob matthews one of the tournament directors giving this signal looks like semi-final actions best of luck to you good thank you very much jeff all right let's go back to the booth [Music] hey all right there we go now we're back in the boot we got music we're back in the yeah what we call the boost which isn't really a booth but no it's not a booth it's a it's a bench we're in the square of the uh in front of the games welcome to the ring brother we've got a new a new uh announcer here yeah hi Ian Harrower are joining joining here in the commentary booth hey after uh you know beef to booth yeah so you beefed on uh what game uh all of them that's how my day was yeah no it wasn't a bad round i'm i'm happy to have made it through uh through to the semis or quarters quarters is good even making the playoffs is fine so and for those of you just joining us my name is Colin MacAlpine and also matt robottom and matt you're you live here locally i do so i'm up in uh van nuys okay i'm uh usually up at ace gogy okay uh on tilt pinball we're playing up there pretty constantly yeah yeah i've seen pictures and uh i think i've watched a stream or two of carl's carl is uh at ace coage yep part of our league as well as comes to usually most of our launch events yeah so if you're in if you're in the los angeles area go to it's where can they go online and find information uh ace gogi you can it's a y c e all you can eat it's a it's a it's actually a korean barbecue place so uh the main thing they have there is a is an all-you-can-eat korean barbecue but in the back uh is one of the nicer kind of speak easy type bars there that has 16 pinballs in the back four pin balls up in the front lobby all in great shape all really well maintained uh we have a league there playing constantly we do launch events for all the major games so our our next big launch event will be stranger things coming up i'm going to take this hat off and stop pretending to put it on my my headset uh stranger things a launch event coming up in a couple weeks i can look at my phone real quick and yeah so if you're if you're here the other thing you can do is if you're in if you you know if you have a free weekend this weekend and you live anywhere even remotely close to los angeles you should be driving in getting in your car tomorrow morning and coming to banning and just off the interstate is this amazing facility and you can buy a one-day pass yep and you can come and enjoy the incredible incredible collection of pinball machines and so a lot you know some video games not as many video games as they usually have because they're they're put away to open up this area for the this massive pinball tournament and if you'd like to try your hand and seeing hey what was the pinball tournament all about you can come here and try and and play a game or two and see what it's all about and there's a uh there's not just a division prize there's a there's a b division prize and there's a there's a seniors tournament a juniors tournament a women's tournament uh so high stakes a high stakes tournament so but most importantly is even if you're going either i you know if you even think you have no interest in competitive pinball still come check this out because it's just it's just a cool scene yeah it's time to go into the museum itself and just play those games so as you said you know some of the games definitely are reserved for the for the tournament but they're still 100 i'd say 500 games out there that are all on free play and and some of them are very rare games so i you know i i go in there and i go oh i get to play a big lebowski i get to play you know some of these kind of rare games that you don't necessarily find out in the wild what was special for me was being able to walk down like a lot of the older ems like the 60s games and that that i just never have seen and like you see like these rows where like everything's sorted together and it's like the pointy elbow people row where you have all of the williams artwork with like the very pointy elbows people and yeah and it's just like this is a really cool interesting place to see it's just that many games and then like you step up to them and like a lot of those games have really cool interesting features you know like they have a roller coaster out there which is an old em but it's the first pinball machine with a ramp yeah it's got a little a little kick out saucer that kicks it up a ramp and the ball can pass underneath that ramp to drain out the outlane it's like you see these things i was having a lot of fun playing jost so you played joe oh yeah over there this is like the verses yeah it's a two-player pinball where it's essentially two pinball machines back-to-back that uh you play against each other all right it looks like we're going to jump into the finals here so once again this is the classics one final in the classics one just meaning it's there's two different classics tournaments so this is the today's classic tournament this is the semi-finals so the top eight players so we're gonna be following one group of four as we play and the way you uh play this is uh based on the score in this game the first place player will get four points second place will get two third will get one and last place will unfortunately get zero they'll play three games and the top two with those scores move on to the finals so this was played earlier i assume you guys walked through the rules a little bit we talked through it pretty pretty in depth um in terms of your your big strategy here being first and foremost try and get a line of the same yeah so you're playing you're playing tic-tac-toe on the tic-tac-toe board here and so you can do the any of the usual across uh down diagonal uh with either the the the o's or the x's now did you tell did you tell folks how the the o's and x's are awarded yes so the uh the most of the switch hits like the the slings or any of these kind of bumpers are going to switch between this o and x at the bottom correct and then each section of the game will have a different award for it so you can see the inlanes are going to be the bottom left and bottom right selection the uh the very difficult and painful kind of center stand up is your center target you're typically not going for that but you don't want to aim for it yeah and so right now what chris what chris would like uh is he would like to get an o in that uh side left shot which means he needs to go through this lane while the o is selected right here yep and then the kickout saucers are potentially fairly valuable oh he already has it he has the he's got it he's got it he's got the diagonal o's which then means 5 000 every time he can get in into one of those saucers so you do also get bonus at the end of the vault it's a good bonus it doesn't even nothing for the three in a row but no but it's the no did it not count his ball what's going on here did he tilt it what happened i don't know what happened there uh maybe it was uh i think he got enough points there yeah i think he got 35 000 so you get you get 1 000 for a filled square no matter o or x so in his case he had eight of the nine squares filled so you got eight thousand bonus uh matt cooper it is definitely chilly here there is no coat or bag check but uh you're welcome to put your coat in my car if you come up tomorrow all right so this he's looking good right now he has all x's everywhere nothing three in a row and so unfortunately right now it's on o so he wants to get there's a switch now because he hit the sling something important he has done though is light so that opened the gate so when he went out the outlane this gate was open so instead of going down the drain the ball went safely back to the shooter yep and he gets to start all over again in terms of the uh the a b so i think he has the maximum number of one character one on the table on the tic-tac-toe board without actually having a three in a row i think five is the is is the most yeah so that would have been 5 000 if he would have had a three in a row those are the two saucers on the lower uh left and right side so he gets an o unfortunately that will lock him out from that in a row so a drain and he'll kill cash in 6 000 in bonus which by the way i think the last ball this game similar to many ems it is electric mechanical games is it double or triple so it's kind of a you if you're going to have a good ball on a lot of electric mechanical machines you want it to be the last ball yeah uh cirque questing hood it definitely plays very fast i i played this today and and the normal oxo i play on is uh very floaty and slow this one is extremely fast yeah so all that all of these classics uh i found the flippers to be incredibly uh juiced meaning very very powerful yeah it was almost to a fault yeah i was playing surfer and getting the ball to stay in the saucers no good impossible yeah yeah it's got to just bounce in there you can't there's a surfer is a game where you can directly shoot for a saucer at the upper part of the playfield which is quite important but with the very very strong flippers which do make the games tougher and play faster uh that means that uh you don't really have that as a really viable intentional strategy so this is only mikko player three we are on game one of these finals [Music] do we know uh do you know what those sauces are worth when they're not lit so 5 000 lit i don't know if they're just a 100 or yeah i'm i have no idea i would assume at most 500 more likely maybe 100 yeah so he needs to it's locked himself out of a lot of places in that center well he's not on the o right now but okay there he gets it oh and he did not have the gate oh so an interesting strategy in this game might be before you start to do anything in the lower play field you just go for those orbit little you know pseudo-orbit shots yeah these kind of and they they will glance into their respective a and b targets so that way you've got protection you know you've you've you've cut your drain chances in uh by 33 player four is joe lemire uh he had a pretty dominant performance in our group uh to took eight after the first two games to guarantee himself the advance he gets control on the right flipper let's see what he gen what he just likes to do he has just the x in the upper right i think he was going for the orbit i found those like i was able to hit those today of of all the shots i was not able to hit the the one thing i was able to hit those are bits um they felt in a natural place on the flipper they they were like kind of late in a weird spot yeah nice lob shot bailout so he gets control you went man these flippers are so so strong so you can get control here uh can you will the shots turn the corner so if you can get a cradle here yes yeah oh locks that out there we go he's also his gate so it's it's kind of difficult to see from the overhead but you can actually see that little metal piece there uh yeah correct and the that's now providing that wall on the right out lane and guides it back into shooter lane like we saw before so he oh you know what yeah that was that was not that was the right play because he really had nothing to get on any of the lower shots he his only hope was to get the uh the upper two yeah he really needed anything up in that upper and the only the only way to get the upper row is up through those top lanes which is very difficult to get after the plunge yeah yeah i mean the other really really difficult way is to get that gate open and go into the gate so you get to re-plunge it yeah sure that's true oh unfortunately he does not match there okay he has o in the bottom and that that bottom center uh tic-tac-toe spot is from that little orange rollover button correct that is correct so i would have been chatzing there and you want to explain for people at home what chatsing is so that's called an alley oh that's named after neil shatz who was uh very very proficient at alley passing and that's intentionally flipping very late on the flipper to send it up the in lane so from the right flipper you would shoot it here and have it go up and you're trying to collect the opposite in-lane award by doing so and so given that that is where you collect your bottom two corners uh that could be a very viable strategy in this game with with how fast this is playing another another option too is is trying to catch it on that flippery it will roll up that that inland sure well some shirts too so on on a slower playing game you can't really do that you catch it on that flipper it's just going to go a little bit and come back down and this is where you know even on these older games you know where the rules are simpler than modern ones there's still there's still a lot of uh you know thinking and different tactics and decisions that you can make so for instance if you if you get down on your flipper and you see that the you are currently selected for os and you have the bottom sent the the bottom middle as an x you don't want to do that because that that's not going to help you yep so you know it it that gets into the whole the strategic aspect of pinball that for those of you who might be new to pinball or watching uh pinball for the first time or watching competitive him for the first time and you know a lot of people when they're first playing pinball and getting introduced to it is a c-ball hit ball and so meaning that whenever the ball is getting anywhere near the flipper they're making contact with it and flipping it as opposed to like you saw ollie do what was called a dead bounce there before he drained uh where the ball bounces nicely off of one you know just left alone flipper and you chill and just let it bounce over to the other side and so you do those things to get control so it gives you that ability to make choices yep uh someone in the chat i just saw was asking us what our favorite em is favorite favorite em game i i kind of like uh prospector um i own a prospector at home it was kind of a grail acquisition for me uh there's one of those here and there it is yep and the women's i played that up in uh san francisco last year during the city champ there's so many though there's a lot of ems i like ems with a good lit spinner and so i have a grand prix and grand prix has two spinners that you can shoot from either flipper or a spinner for each flipper and uh so grand three is uh certainly one of my favorite ems i don't know if i could pick one i don't really have uh i played enough of them i feel like i feel like i need to play more of them to get to a to a favorite so joe's got himself back on x here and there it is nice so no extra credit for having a two oh oh it was go time it was party time it was party time at the tic-tac-toe board game and joe unfortunately fling the ball into the bottom of the left sling and straight down the middle all right so we are sitting at chris with 49. uh dave with 27 olly with 23 and joe with 55. this is game one we'll be playing two more games for a total of three and that i will say on this one that right orbit is really dangerous because it is just dropping it wants to go right down the middle oh the return back from it yes okay the the left one's been pretty nice it comes right back to that right flipper but that right one just wants to shoot right down that middle and you gotta really pay attention which he did he caught it there so the other interesting thing about this format is that um players may only select a game once uh through the entire duration of the finals wow okay so there's been uh some strategic deferring early on there was yeah i mean you don't typically the way it works just for anybody who's not familiar with these type of formats is that once you've seeded into those finals uh you know that first seed gets to gets first choice they can either pick the game or they can pick the position they want usually the strategy is to pick the game you pick a game you're really familiar with but today we've seen a lot of people defer that and say i'd rather play fourth and not pick my game just yet because i want to save that pick for later so now's the like semis finals this is when you're picking pulling out your your big uh game you've been holding in your pocket yep yeah and that's a it's an interesting you know it's an interesting strategy and decision making choice because you know to some extent you know when i'm in a tournament i just i you know what i really care about is that round i just want to advance out of that round and you know that's nice then if i'm oh he did that was the same thing that joe did that was the exact same dream post it's like drain doppelganger but uh yeah so anyway the choosing games you know a lot of a lot of people defer because they want to save that choice for a later round but there's also a big part of me and she's like i just want to i just want to win this round i just want to make it out of this because if i save it and i don't advance then i've done you know nothing so yeah that was a really this is going to show how fast these flippers are again how brutal this game is playing and uh oh i also see a nice uh yeah nico volta in the chat yes hocus pocus is a is an excellent game because it has three spinners so that is nice oh i do like a good spinner game all right we are on ball four right now and so uh we've got one more ball to play and uh after this so we have this is the this is player one ball four so each player has two balls left 55 for chris it looks like 35 for dave 26 for ali mikko and 58 for joe and olly mikko all the way here from finland uh ollie mikko uh and a few other finnish players uh are come over here a fair amount to the us to some of these major events like in this uh this is actually a quote-unquote major this is a you know officially a major where it's uh it has uh 50 uh more uh whopper points or the the points that you get and we added to your world ranking uh based on your performance and how you do here is that for all the events or just the open just the open just the open yeah just it doesn't apply the classics here or to the high stakes or to the order the women's and the open is also a stern pro circuit event correct first one of the season we also have uh just to mention that we do have a seniors and a youth event this time as well so it's the it's sharing some of the same banks but you can actually go in that's correct i think the the seniors and youth is uh is actually on the open bank i believe it says just based on whoever has uh has the the top the best so nice in lane there he's still alive unfortunately he did not uh he had already locked himself out of the bottom row three in a row it's a safer shot not to but if he hits that center he can light those two orbits or saucers that man that's that's tempting because really that's the only i mean you could maybe get the points yeah you can maybe get lucky and get that oh but you've got to get that that top left lane out off the pops action um where are the other points you're going to get he's really going for that it looks like he's going for that thousand off the bumpers from what i can see but so the thousand is that orbit that upper middle side lane or whatever upper bumper because he's got a and b lit it not only opens the gate it also makes that a thousand points oh hello oh with how juicy and fast this thing is yeah yeah that's the play okay that's looks like what he's doing still long ball time keeping it going yeah he's had a nice ball here so every yeah that center pop is thousand points yep oh yeah that's totally what you want to do and if you happen to get lucky and bounce up into the top lane so be it oh he's on so so now you can see it a little better now that it's not lit but now here's this is where if he if he knows where the measurement is to try he wants this o lane right there yeah but he's on x what oh well it doesn't matter it doesn't matter oh on the top right there there's both sides and he's not going to get it he's definitely far away from that he's going to get an x that doesn't matter now i have seen i don't know how it works i couldn't even tell you the rule on it i have seen it where it will light both the o and the x on the same square really when i was playing it could be a broken one or as a setting i mean there's i think a different there's a different tic-tac-toe style game that does that this was exactly an oso where where i was getting i was noticing some of them were lighting both the o and the x and i couldn't tell what i was doing i couldn't figure it out i figure it's probably wired wrong yeah but that but that was a very very productive ball he he went from in the 50s he started i think in the mid 50s and he added 40 000 over 40 000 points yeah to his score there in one ball uh that's that's fantastic and he really he did that by lighting that center pop bumper and going back up top and getting tons and tons of thousand pop bumpers yep and when you're talking about like a hundred thousand as a good scorer in this game a thousand a pop absolutely yeah and you can get going back and forth all right let's see uh and we can see just right now how fast it's playing how much those pop bumpers are jumping it around so if you've got it lit oh nice save so he'd like to get that b wow that that kick out from that right saucer is all right dangerous will he go for the shots here no no he's going to try and get there he's got a line but it doesn't count so he's decent bonus there can you see dave's first digit uh it looks like a 49. all right because we were yeah that's 49. so that's what i like about this game so we watched the prior game we watched was wizard from the last round and that's what i like about this game is that it you know even though yeah there's some bonus and decent bonus because of the triple bonus on ball five at least uh if you don't get yourself completely locked out like in the case of jonathan wizard you know even if he would have had a great ball five it really it would he had virtually zero chance of catching back up with this because of that that center pop that you can get lit for a thousand you can really get things going oh this is great yeah the center pop at a thousand and and if you can get those saucers lit at five thousand okay so right has the x he wants that right he wants that orbit right side nail it come on do it yes there he gets it so now he's lit both those saucers and and what we've learned is go for the left one because the right hand is dangerous die i see all right he does not have the thousand pop-up or party time yet okay let's see you see we survived so you can see how that yeah it's so you gotta hold up the right flipper because it's going to just barely catch it and glance it so you can you can flip the other one that was a nice nudge he bailed out to the top so yeah now you want to bail out to the top all day long yeah try and get up to that 1000 pop bumper oh sling nice help oh there it is that right saucer is brutal and one of the things i really like about what all he does is when he when his ball drains he stays locked at the machine until his bonus has completely finished counting and he is there ready to play and you see so many players turn around and walk away i'm guilty of that so many times i've walked away from a lazarus ball i've walked away from all of these things where if i just paid attention and stayed there all right so this is joe lemire stepping up for his ball four oh and a very short ball forward that so he'll stay at uh 86 so which is still not bad no not bad at all so now this is the triple bonus ball so now you get 3 000 per square that you fill in with an o or an x yep does not make a difference whether it's three in a row or not so a full card would be 27 correct which really gets anyone back in the game here so oh no oh sorry correction joe's at 66 it looked like an 86 but it's a 66. all right and he rolled that so that is so we have a chris warren with his ball five with a hundred and three thousand [Music] dave's got some work to do here but as we've seen this game you can come back you can is there a preference in top lanes is there a place to try to plunge the only preference would be essentially nice nudge whether you're starting on o or x lit yeah so if you've got olet o lit obviously it'd be nice to get an o card oh up there but yeah but i mean it's going to change with the pops it is so it's going to change so fast yeah it's not worth it to me i think it's more preferable to go for a lane that will give you some pops action to hopefully get some a and b so i've noticed that the outer lanes the far left and the far right lane drop straight down the play field into your lower slingshot i don't like that yeah i would much rather go in any of those center four lanes and get pops and hopefully then get maybe one a or one of the you know maybe get the b the other nice thing with that is then if you get one of those right or left side like we're about to see here then you're stuck trying to get those inlanes basically is your only option to get a line okay he survives the left saucer kick out her right sides kick out but not for long so he's gonna end [Music] 73 so and i think dave didn't catch ollie i don't think he has what's that first number on it's hard to see and i didn't catch it okay so he did 94. so he's guaranteed last unfortunately for for dave joe has a 7 000 uh hill point hill to climb and he gets three from the plunge yeah oh you get three thousand from three times oh yeah yeah yeah so he's already so if he could get oh there we go yeah so he's basically got at least moved himself up a little yeah and so he now has it so he's as long as he doesn't tilt yeah he has uh 9 000 points in the tank he's guaranteed at least second without a tilt i'll go over that to go over that button go over the oh although actually man the left saucer was that kicking out friendly left saucer kicks out much more okay kicks out right to that right man so these flippers are so strong i wonder if you can even like get it it's really hard to nail it into that yeah i'm thinking up top all day it's bouncing in you might get lucky amounts in there but it's not ollie was able to do kind of a little lob kind of like a tap a heavy tap pass to get it to go in nice like one of the nice things about yes it's gonna be close but not enough alright not enough no no because in this format first place gets four points and second place gets two it's that big extra swing so first place you get it's not the same thing as getting three two one zero it's a four two one zero but it it ends up being a uh like it's a great situation one of the things i love about this specific type of scoring format is that you're actually rooting for someone else because two people are advancing and like whoever wins that first game everyone's rooting for them to take as many points as possible on game two yeah absolutely i'll be i'll be back all right all right so collin's just gonna step out for a second he'll be right back we're still here though i'm gonna try and put my hat back on let's see see what happens now that we're up on the camera there we go i'm gonna i'm gonna figure out a way at some point to get a headset that actually fits on here without you know not being able to wear my hat so joining us in the booth there aren't enough canadians in this booth sorry canadian uh three was the number three is the right number yeah yeah three that's what the circuit final was uh for all canadians is that's where you're saying oh wow there we go neil pert rest in peace yep anyway uh that oxo game the we play it a lot i don't know about you but he and i played a lot and i just watching the action and the slings and just how incredible it's playing first of all it's a wonderful game i was just talking to carl d'Python Anghelo and he said it took the text months to get it just up speed and we're seeing some great yeah it's the flippers themselves are so strong yeah like what i was saying before one of the things i love about the em type era game is that they have high voltage switches on the cabinet so the power to the flipper runs through the cabinet switch which means you actually have a lot more control as a player as to how hard that flipper flips that's a good point you can press it so that like it partial partial makes contact and you can kind of lob it you can actually control that which is where we get into the you know when you get into flipper skills like a tap pass you know on a modern game it's really hard almost impossible to do kind of a tap pass because they don't really it is possible but it's really very hard on these em games that's where you can start getting into just lightly tapping it yeah and it's even like you know jokingly on like a lot of new games a lot of players will hit harder to try to flip harder but it actually happens on an em because you make better contact electrical contact yeah and uh faster electrical contact all right it looks like game two over two it's going to be surfer all right so this is a two-player em yep surfer is the two-player version surf champ i believe is the four player version of the same game and chris warren from alabama who hasn't been playing a lot lately he was telling me but i mean here's his first tournament a while he normally is a guy who goes to free play florida didn't make it this year just you know life as you know gets in the way and uh first tournament back he makes the classics playoffs and here he is in the semi-finals so now we've got sorry go ahead no no and to give people an idea of what that takes i mean these classics we had i want to say about 200 people putting in 200 yeah uh and i think we did what 32 top 32 32 which is a very small amount it's very hard to get into that and ian knows this very well because it came down to ian and dave grant who you're watching right now from bc dave's an excellent player we see him a lot at yagpin which is also part of the stern pro circuit this year coming up in march in edmonton okay i guess they were they just practicing right now oh no no no my bad so this ball two player one chris warren here so with these what we're doing you know since it's a two-player game as opposed to a four-player game uh we've got to have two of the players go through and play their games and then have the other two players come and play their games ian i gotta ask you you're a good strategy guy and i was talking to uh nick zendayas who's an incredible player uh last year's heads up champion won a pinball machine in chicago right after the end of the stern pro circuit finals i'm not very familiar with this game and he said well there's really three strategies and he was suggesting if you can hit that left orbit you can certainly hit the drop targets and if you can go for the spinner i i was looking at that right scoop what do you like ian um so what i tend to do is if i have the ball on the right flipper i will shoot towards the drop targets but try to roll over the button rollovers to light this rollovers so just so people at home can see these button rollovers here will actually light these lights here which then become a thousand each for that saucer no but as i was saying before when this game wasn't even up the flippers are so powerful oh yeah that it's really hard to make it stick in that hole i wish i shot that saucer probably 10 times and maybe once got it in there on purpose but you'll get pop action just like that pops are your best way to get into that tell us about the lighting the lanes at the top what is that doing for you um that's a good question so letting lanes at the top will become double bonus instead of single bonus okay so that that light right there if you were to go down that that lane it'd be add two to the bonus so you can call it two thousand hey that's good and i see it rotates too is it switches that rotate it it doesn't yeah now so it starts out with none of them generally on this your skill shot you're actually trying not to get into those top lanes you actually kind of like that exactly like he did because and that's perfect he he got four bonus from that so he got four thousand because he came down he went down and up through and then came back up again while it was lit and look at the star roll overs he's only got the two on the right yep so right now even if he can get in that saucer that saucer is worth uh three thousand okay and a pretty safe kick out are we seeing uh i don't remember it go in yeah it's i didn't i didn't play it so i don't know chris a little disappointed with that i don't know if it was so much a flipper error there but he feels it was but uh and then the spinner on this one actually it spins it spins really well but it's not worth anything i mean i don't say anything it's not worth a lot unless it's lit okay the thing i see if i'm hitting it from this flipper i'm going to hit the pop and it's coming down i left flipper is a little more safe because you can get it kind of between the two pops [Applause] all right so this is dave so i was about to say most likely you're gonna go for that left orbit to try and get the double bonus which is really a triple bonus because you got double for the lit one as well as the single one that he rolled down on where were you before i started playing this i could use some of these tips this is one of the few games i know and i still put up a horrible score on it today so it you know dave looked pretty dialed in on that left orbit can you do it again here i think he'll try a little post and you'll notice too i don't know if you can see it so much on the stream but some of the games where you look at uh some of the shots some of the rubbers might be a little thicker than you're normally used to playing i don't know if that's the case here but that's again to uh encourage maybe not longer play yeah it makes it more challenging we certainly have players here who can play for like 30 minutes on a game and i saw a couple of those today over in the main bank we were watching keith ellen play rescue 9.9 billion on that which we were really curious what happened when he hit 10 because it it it doesn't necessarily have a rollover but i don't know that i've ever seen anybody i don't know what got leaves do some of the dmds um uh so some of them do roll they roll at different numbers they're not necessarily at tens so uh i think some of them roll at like eight and this one we for sure and i think some of them might roll out something weird like 12. uh some of the games actually will use the will modify the ones digit after they roll over oh okay so that's interesting that's good yeah so i'm going to pretend when i play tna that when i actually blow up one of those reactors it's actually i've actually rolled it okay see if anyone buys that all right chris warren trying to see what he can do here pretty close game yeah 20 28 to 30 here double bonus is lit oh good save there nice in lane and he's had reasonable bonus advance here oh no oh double bonus but 16 000 in bonus certainly puts the challenge to date to dave grant and i can't see on our screen the ball counter so i don't know what ball we're on board four five five we're on the final ball joe lamero and only will be playing next there's a a special award here they have um in-disc challenges and they have neat coins for all kinds of different challenges and there's one for who came the furthest away like based on you know google map uh and i i would have to say ole's got a good chance peter anderson maybe uh from from denmark we've seen the the pecs here from new zealand i want to know who's getting that uh in this challenge i think i think there's a second half to it too i think there might be like who's the furthest away and still qualifies oh it might be i might be wrong okay but i feel like i read it that way that it was uh there was a second half to it you can find out everything of course on indisc.com uh and follow along i mean you're following right now here on the stream and i know carl's going to put up the standings uh very very soon yep okay so his saucer is fully yeah if he can hit that it's 5 000. now if you're wondering why he's still playing we've still got two players to go so he's trying to beat not only the other people he's already gonna pass chris with this bonus but it's really his score will still yeah we'll count against these other two people so he's gonna walk away with sixty eight thousand which is is a good score okay that would have been a decent score including a quick look at the uh score there were some people that rolled this in qualifying but i don't know if it was a it was a ton okay i'll find out for you here and uh hopefully our producer carl is going to get these scores onto the screen somewhere they're all doing an incredible job bob now you can leave it up that way for us yeah that's fine top scorer was um 115 we had one person roll it joe lemaire who we're going to watch was at 99 750. so so he certainly knows this game so one thing that you can see right now that it's kind of hard to see when we're normally playing but there is um it looks i think there is a double bonus here that can light in these kind of orbit shots right so that could have been a triple bonus on that last ball exactly okay and just uh by the way oli did not play this in qualifying so does that mean a slight advantage to joe lemaire certainly a comfort zone at least not on a card he can do it yeah i mean yeah thank you thank you yeah so one of the things compared to a normal pump and dump um there's actually advantage to avoiding your cards here because you can hurt yourself yeah um because the the and it's a weird thing to explain but essentially your points still count against yourself and everybody else in terms of the ranking even if that card is not actually your card holy did not play this okay which you know something to bring up there was no um there was no practice on this there was no chance to come over and try these games in advance to the right of this game you're watching right now there's a massive screen again it's such a good facility here at indus to be able to have speculators there's bleachers all around there's a massive screen so what you're seeing right now is available for a lot of the players so i'm sure joe and oli were both watching you know okay this is kind of how it works yeah so 11 it'll be it'll be also interesting to see what happens tomorrow uh because when we get into tomorrow's classics same bank uh same games but uh fresh scoring you start all over again but now you've got everyone that's kind of come through and played it they've seen how it's played they they know what games they like what they don't like and we'll see what tomorrow should be a really interesting qualifying yeah i always find day two's funny because exactly that you come in with this confidence you're like i crushed these games a lot of players it's actually surprising the number of players who qualified on their first ticket um and so you you got lucky and you put up some really strong scores and you think you know the game like the back your hand and you step up to the game and it's just like nope sometimes you can grind through and you can't reproduce yesterday yep so this is joe lemire here on ball one remember they are chasing um the scores of around 68 and 48 yeah 48 and 68 yep from uh chris and dave yep so that was nice again he had that lit lane at the top they gave him double bonus so that's single bonus advantage single roll over becomes 2 000. oh wow got some nice pop action into the drops there and there we go he's got all of his button roll over so those lanes are now lit at the side really wants so the other thing with this is if you can get all those uh those lit and get all the drops down i believe there's an extra bonus uh i think it's 5 000 or 10 000 and then the drops come back up again too so you can shoot them again [Music] still the 20 is a solid ball one yeah all right only miko's got the ball under control here oh i should not have spoken just didn't quite make it around that left orbit um disappointed it's it it's a hard shot once you nail it it's it's nice but if you haven't nailed it it's uh it's punishing but really you know this is these dm's are on five balls there's a reason they're five balls yeah play time you get to go okay uh one oh we're good if you are within 15 minute drive of the museum um the gift shop is closing [Music] all right so but yes as we were saying the ems the nice thing about five ball is is that you can really kind of have a throwaway ball especially these kind of games that don't carry over between each ball yeah and this game doesn't really cap out like yeah you don't you don't have that problem where there's a limit to the number of points you can score in a ball there's a bunch of ems where you run out of scoring opportunities but this one there's always points to be to be taken on the on the table all right let's see if only mikko can bounce back from that previous ball nice all of them are right away lit and he's going for that orbit or that saucer but it is so hard to hit he's gonna go for it again but you can see how you can just see how fast that flies i mean it just soars up there and trend and lock it into that that saucer is yeah and that's just like that's the price you pay but it's so valuable it's valuable and that's where you start going well but because it's so hard do i go for those drop targets and try for that extra points i would get by getting all the drop targets down as well as the rollovers all right joe's stepping up all three i think i'm just trying to fall through yep oh and we got a stop ball now is it through the gate is it going to return to the shooter lane or go on the right flipper i don't know i don't know who's going to make that call uh bob matthews i believe is tournament direction bob's out there right now yep he's got the key so we will see what bob decides to do all right uh jeff is joining us back in the booth welcome back how are you i'm good that's the great thing about the streams you can hear somebody say a boat properly did i say it wrong no no you said it properly that's my point the canadian thing again you know did i say a boot no see i've i've been here so long that i don't no it's it's not a boot it's it's a it's about it's a different way to say it but i can't even replicate it anyway the nice thing about the stream is that you know anything in question you certainly can go back and and you've got the video footage there if you need a ruling you certainly have the scores if there's some sort of malfunction it's uh kudos again to ie pinball to carl d'Python Anghelo and everyone here at in disc and uh the museum of pinball great sponsors like scorbit um this is just they talk about it being papa west papa was something that was special it's now coming up to three years since we've seen uh escher lefkoff win the last papa championship papa 20 but uh it's nice to come out here to california to get that kind of same feeling with all the different tournaments too we've got two classics events yesterday the match play uh tournament 120 players i was in that it was a it was a tough field i mean it came down to the point where a single point difference the difference between and and it was not this four two one zero it was three two one zero so it was single point difference and and a single point was the difference between 50th and 30th place kind of thing like 30th to 20th was another point different like you know it was it was so close that whole thing everybody was playing great jason wordrick the winner uh in the final match against Josh Sharpe who came in second as he does uh it's funny that two people from illinois come uh to california to to settle their system we talked a little bit about the uh the the coin challenges yeah there is a coin challenge and i can't remember the exact wording of it but there is a coin challenge for for Josh Sharpe that is the uh it's the something somebody who just never won a major never won a major but guys second yeah here we go back nope we're back in all right ball i have no idea where all this just started so no idea so i didn't actually catch whether i was putting on his flipper it looked like it went to the shooter lane i think but all right all right so he's got a nice he's got a really nice bonus already he's already up to 6 000 bonus took some drop targets on the backhand there i like brings it up to 7 000 again we talked about joe in qualifying the second highest score 99 750. and then joe got in on one ticket has a fairly high seed i'll tell you what he's played the high stakes too he's he's in the top eight there as well so he's he's in pretty good shape already to pass uh chris at 48. oh okay and dave grant with the 68 is the score dave's at 68 with a high yeah again this is uh really only unless he played it in in earlier playoffs this is his uh first if not early look at this game but i mean he's such a great player and i know he's probably played it several times before oh it's nice little nudge there these god leaves those lanes at the side it looks like they're designed to try to get the ball to stay in play but it feels like they're designed to drain everything just not having any luck here no so that was his ball four he still got one left and his path to get here i don't know if you remember in the first round it was a three-way tie shawn lind and also uh sean lin and raymond davidson winner moves on they were in the eric stone group eric went uh three perfect games with 12 points and a three-way tie for three so there's uh you always look at the people who win the tie breakers people who win tiebreaker seem to have i don't know if that's karma i don't know what it is but they you know the the tougher path seems to to benefit well and here is two rounds later it's yeah it's a it's a shows how well you play under pressure yeah so joe finishes out ball four with 47 he'll almost certainly pass chris's score yeah without a tilt yeah two times three no times yeah yeah [Music] all right so holy miko's got some work to do here chasing down that first target of 48 yep 48 just to to get a single point which put him at five points into the next round i would imagine uh his oh and that's not gonna do it back home in finland to see his progress but uh so he's still fine though i mean in terms of going into the next round he's still at four points oh no wait sorry i'm looking at the wrong person he's at one point yeah it's it's gonna be i take that back chris uh chris already being behind dave yep i was looking at the coins distributed around yeah you're really rooting for the person who uh who's in first place to take the extra points away with two people advancing a lot of different math combinations in the uh four two one zero format i refuse to try to compute outs no yeah i started trying to figure it out and all right so joe will finish second oly will finish fourth that means that dave grant from bc is gonna take the four points yep chris warren will be the leader now with uh five points joe will be sitting with four as well so uh it's a five four four one five four four one and that was our second round second game of this round that was the second game we have one more game to go here yep and uh our live cam was [Music] uh you're looking at phil berman a couple different games yeah playing black pyramid all right we're back today you're looking at us the reason for this transition and sometimes while we've got the the little interviews certainly to give you a sense of what's going on here at industry but it also we talked about carl d'Python Anghelo he's not listening right now he's producing this he's moving the gear it's uh it's quite the production too and uh it takes a lot it takes a lot of people to do this so uh let's people at home who haven't seen us yet people tuning in to the stream i'm Ian Harrower jeff tules from pinball profile i'm matt robottom so um thanks for joining us we are at uh in disc it never drains in southern california and beautiful banning absolutely nice if it never drained although it would make for really long tournaments hold on a second so i know that i came here because i was like okay that's good it was a lizard when i left coming to california it's great i've been wearing my winter jacket every day it's a little bit cold well we're not in we're not in proper socal okay you see you get over out of the out of this uh high desert area and it's a little warmer so we're joining in progress the black pyramid game from the other group it looks like they are on ball three and that was kaylee george who just uh played there so this will be ryan wanger from comet pinball the intergalactic champion at replay fx and we have a scorpion integration on this game so you can actually see down below uh the players uh their scores updating in real time underneath their city yeah on the bottom left of each block so that's great and uh it also shows us we're on ball three in the center of the screen this is certainly a uh well this certainly feels like the future of pinball according to the little ad in the left great job by jay brian brian o'neill's uh come back to california after moving out east scorebit is uh really something special it's not only are you seeing it live but for the scorekeepers too one touch they don't have to enter the score they don't have to wait for the screen to come back it's right there oh no look at how close that is just behind kaylee on bonus there still that was the right choice shooting the bonus x was what he had to do um you know we're we're moving away from black pyramid so we won't do complete talking yeah but although i could use it i don't know the game so it's you know well you uh spell for bonus you spell black pyramid that's a bonus game yeah and then the inline drop targets on the right give you uh bonus x does your bonus carry the the letters so it's kind of you know that same kind of paragony kind of thing get your bonus up start trying to get your multipliers yeah so like focus on that left orbit get your letters yep um but it's kind of you can play it as a if the ball is on the left shoot the inline drops if the ball is on the right should be orbit and all right it's a reasonable way to get away with it but like inlanes uh uh stand up targets are giving you other letters the black letters are ordered from the saucer in the top all right so we're going to pull up our standings here and kind of look at where we are moving into our game eric stone in group number one is leading with five points kaylee george still burn bomb with four each and uh ryan wanger who you just saw disappointed with his black pyramid he's got one point so not out of it a little difficult you need a little help brian's best chance is to possibly get a tie same scenario too for ollie miko in the uh group number two he's looking for he certainly has to win the game and then hope for some help but uh chris warren's got five points joe lemaire dave grant with four each as we go into game three so there's definitely this will be exciting because uh no one's out everyone's got out yeah yeah and uh let's give me tight games are we staying on black pyramid carol oh we're gonna go we're coming back back to us that's where i try to put my hat back on right here bob matthews is just uh talking to some of the players as they figure out where we're gonna go for game three yeah i think so uh again the the seeds gonna pick their either they want position or they wanna pick game if they haven't picked a game they love obviously they're going to pick a game this time but yeah this is your life yeah you're at the end if you haven't picked a game yet you need to be picking the game although there are players you you may want to play a game you've already picked again and allow someone else to pick that game that's true there's also people who like going forth has huge advantage from the strategy story i'm one of those people i tend to pick fourth just because i play better under that pressure and that's one of the things where the the card format i i have a hard time with because i don't have that you know there's scores to beat but at the same time i don't have that immediate you know you're playing against somebody we're moving over to wizard i know eric stone who hasn't clinched a playoff spot into the finals uh is certainly going to be you know looking in his group to to pick a game he chose it looks like jungle queen so that's where that group's going to go i see him coming over there and again wizard jungle queen can be a a mean game it's a it's not a hard game but it can be a very mean game i'm i i've never had a good game i think ever on that too i watch escher win papa 20 on that and i'm like how do you do that but uh yeah up and down on the pops yeah all right so wizard we will uh we've covered this a couple times but we'll go back through it again yeah so you want to do a quick walk through of what those flag targets are over there on the uh right hand side and which ones are important you you want me to do it i don't know if i can do it yet i still i'm still learning this one i do know uh three and four are your two biggest ones you want to try and get one of them is the um so yeah one is the spinner which is i think four uh it's that one this one over here yeah that one's carl i know you're listening there we go four like the spinner all right you're making us sweat it out yeah i mean don't make me don't make me do that carl come on i know which one to shoot i don't know what the number is um it's written on the flags as well yeah um which we can't see from here but yes on the flag we can now see that it it now that it's flipped over actually he hit four you can see you kind of see the split spinner this has been out of all the games in the bank and there are several 15 games in the classic bank this was the one that had the longest lineup because you're gonna get to play five balls and a lot of the great skilled players certainly enjoy this it's very catchable when the ball comes down on the flippers and if you're dialed in on that left flipper you shoot it back up there good chance you're going to get in that 300 3 000 saucer just like only mikko just did right there and look at it see if you can catch that return so right so the other the other place where you can get them is off of the rollovers at the top um that'll flip the flag over so you have to actually uh hit the target or roll over to flip the flag and then go through the lane to collect the award yeah so that's uh that's this lane here we're talking about two stage yeah i was watching Josh Sharpe play this and uh he was trapped up on the left flipper and and you certainly want to be trapped on the right flipper to give a shot at that spinner but what he was doing on the left flipper and you're here if you're watching if you're uh looking for a quick tip on wizard uh josh seemed to have it he was it almost looked like a post pass on the left and what it was doing was going back up that left in lane too and getting a little bit of movement so that was setting up his next shot i thought that was a good move something in my i might try as well so the feed out of the uh the flag lane seems fairly manageable if it's consistent joe had a nice bounce pass on it it doesn't seem too painful which can lead to very long ball times on this game all right let's see how he tries to deal with this whether he's gonna go for his dangerous flag shot or get it over the other flipper and get back up top sort of taking his time drying his hands yeah that was an alley pass attempt he tried to chat this is a guy who last weekend just won a thousand dollars in the tournament he beat bowen karen's uh to win the grand champion in his tournament last week so he's on a bit of a role ian talked about he played one card got in played one card on high stakes looking pretty good there i assume he's doing well in the ifb open as well so uh chatline we're paying attention sorry we've been ignoring you but uh anything you want to ask we'll be uh here to answer for you as chris warren steps up here nice little tap on that so it looks like he's got flag one down which i'm assuming is why that top pop remember is lit for a hundred could be i can't you know you know what when it comes to games that i'm not very familiar with a lot of people use um the software that andreas created in pintips.net and it's available for anybody it gives you a quick you know 140 character a bunch of tips on how to play games and it's very very useful so it actually tells you about the flags and what to do here as well but realistically um you shoot the spinner shoot that is it yeah and then it'll say that on pin tips as well yeah because you want to get back all day hit the flags he's gonna get uh the spinner lit if he can get back up there right now and go down the right waterfall nicely oh it's a nice sure nice tap past the tent he's got all his flags lit actually yep so he's in great shape now to just get it up top and if he gets a clean shot watch it usually it falls into the 3000 so you get that you're gonna get the uh all right the flags as well nice there we go all right there we go here we go he's gonna get his 3 000 it's going to kick it right there all his legs are lit double bonus spinner so yeah his bonus alone don't tell don't tell he's dead oh he did tilt he tilted away twenty two thousand twenty yeah that is a lot of points in the game where a hundred thousand is pretty good that's uh disappointing for chris that's tough on games like this a lot of times your instincts kick in where you say like i gotta try and save it and you don't think for a second like oh wait there's so much bonus i shouldn't even bother i know the thought going through his mind must have been my spinner is finally lit yes i want a shot at that lit spinner but yeah but that bonus was really big he ends ball two at 11 000 and just drained 22 000 yes so interesting giving a little bit of time as dave grant should after a tilt you know you're certainly allowed to most time most of these games uh i believe this one too has ear plugs on them which is a newer kind of thing people are doing uh helps the tilt bob settle a little bit was it really 17 doubled i didn't see that uh i think it was 17 doubled so yeah 34. wow i thought it was 11 double no i was pretty sure i saw 17 yeah 34k well you did it once you can do it again it's [Music] trying to get the ball under control there we go probably take the spinner shot yep oh i thought it was gonna i thought it was gonna pass saucer it finds a way it's i think there's a vacuum on it oh but again that return from the right side is has been really nice like catchable on the left yeah he went he went sort of for a bit of a live catch there yeah just kind of bounced away from him the bounce passes were working as well okay there you go three thousand let the pop yep i'll tell you there's one shot you don't see hardly anyone ever go to the five opening the gate forget about it congratulations you've opened the gate as you just drained down the middle yep and it and the posts are tough too to get it in there yeah now that being said you're player four you're on the left flipper you're down by if you're down by five thousand six thousand dollars do you go for it ian i i don't know i'm still one shot into the game no i i'm shooting my spinner wow roger sharp was told one shot and we have pinball you don't take the shot you're like okay uh i'll i'll uh i'll try to tap i will say i'm one of those people when it's one shot away that's gonna be the worst possible scenario for me if i know i'm one shot away because i'm just gonna i'm gonna mess it up sorry hit the important fourth flag that lights the spinner oh he shots yep and then gets it up through the spinner which is lit now so that right there he collects his mind if he doesn't tilt he's already going to be in the lead on this one okay he shots last time he gets over did it but it was quick boy that inlane slows it down you're not going to see kind of a ski jump you know where you hold the flipper up it rolls down here and kind of falls over it really it just dies right in this area there we go good nudge to keep there always missing that here missing the spinner but there we go it doesn't lift but so he's gonna get a good bonus off that 30 37 38. oh okay i'm telling you right now chris warren is walking up the machine saying don't tilt don't tilt don't tilt all right chris chris can certainly do this see if he can dialed in on that plunge you actually do didn't want to pay attention to this plunge you want to be bouncing to try to get those um rollovers especially before if you everything works out right you get the rollover you go in the saucer and then you collect your flags beautiful little tip there i'll tell you one thing you you are not going to win this game if you can't find the spinner shot on the left i mean okay maybe you dialed in on that five thousand shot i've never seen anyone do it no one goes to the three thousand million tomorrow i'm just gonna just five thousand shot all day you do that see what happens thanks very much on the ticket for on the card format that sounds like uh great it's a great strategy right i would save it for your fourth game too yeah okay comes down there she likes to shoot it right away he does yeah i mean the return so nice you could easily let it kind of dead bounce over to the other flipper i like the speed of there for a dead bounce you ian maybe on that one yeah i i we've seen it it's been it's been bouncing over nicely yeah but if you didn't play this earlier you may not uh or trust it your nerves are up you know semi-finals yeah chance to be on the banner here they're the great banner display here at industry so there obviously that one didn't that one wouldn't bounce over but yeah so maybe it worked completely wrong yeah it just we're sitting here all right oh yes i am dave dave beat me and that's why i'm sitting here half a spinner a little side action good in lane oh ski jump hey that was fast it didn't it didn't slow down like we had previously seen okay see his approach to getting it over how's he getting over is he gonna do the joe lemaire shots all right he looked like he was trying that yeah got a lucky deflection into the four target but unfortunately drained out of it look at all those flags written oh that would have been 4 000 plus everything lit like oh okay joe lemare oh so right now he's just trying to to kind of distance himself as much as possible from everybody else he's gonna going back to that lead already there it is that was perfect and oh okay he's got the three that's nice he wants the four you can't backhand the four just find the spinner yeah which he does and you kind of hope one of those rollovers will help you oh right around the saucer and he had no choice he had no chance there oh there's nothing he could do there but again still 43 000. listen this game's not over yep not even for chris here who's got five points now the worst let me see here no i was gonna say chris chris doesn't even guarantee the spot there's not guaranteed third at best a tie for third but oh well actually let me see [Music] yeah no so that's gonna be it for chris on ball four so he's gonna stay at five points i don't know it's ball four oh it's about four sorry yeah i thought that was five okay and put yourself in dave's shoes you're right now sitting comfortably in second in this you know you just have if you come in first and second you're moving on what goes through your mind so for me playing a game like this i'm trying to forget about all of that and focus 100 on my strategy of the game of the game and it's keep it simple and shoot that spinner that is brilliant advice oh there we go tried the tap you'll like that on the valley so this is this is the an example of a game where i might have chosen to go first and the reason why the reason being that i don't actually want to change how i approach the game i want to play the game the way i play the game and by going first i take away some of that situational pressure to change how i approach the game um single-player ems that where there aren't multiple strategies i'll often do that i'll just be like i'm gonna go first i'm gonna sweat the other players if i do well um and so if there's if i don't want to change my strategic choice um i'll oh you know it's a big thing in this i don't want to do something for the first time like shoot that 3000 target if i've never done it before unfortunately is drained out quickly there but he is gonna need a miracle fifth ball what is his first digit uh ollie he's uh 42. okay that's he's actually he's not he's out of good he's got his out lined up i see andy bagwell's watching in chicago it's raining there i want to point out project pinball by the way is here and uh big draw on sunday night for their latest uh pro model series and uh i think andy's got a ticket in that in fact he uh got at the pinball profile world tour oh there were 20 of those tickets given away all right come on joe let's see what you've got you've got a certainly a healthy lead there didn't quite uh oh he's getting nice there you go i don't know that it would have bounced off that it didn't look like it was gonna do anything it feels like the flipper might not be fully returning to a resting position yeah um so would you flip it before it comes down the right side maybe it's not really going to make any difference oh oh he really wanted on that right flipper i don't remember if this like i don't know if this game has pegs that flippers rest on or biff bars but yeah just may not be quite returning there might be some play in the linkage or the coil stop maybe a little mushroomed so yeah it looks like maybe not trust it all right chris yes you should see how close the scores are on jungle queen right now the really sad thing here is like chris still hasn't caught up to what he tilted away oh yeah this the 34 oh he goes for the five five thousand all day will he get it the gates open there's no gate on the right-hand side that is uh oh well boy 41 9 30. so he's definitely gonna take zero on this five will be the most he can get yep it's really up to oley this is out yeah yeah this is dave grant ball five needs to light some features on the plate oh darn it that was a quick exit there eden stan rooting his fellow canadian is that a seven seventy one seventy one seventy one there's another canadian in i see phil burns right now [Applause] okay oli taking his time do you have a routine did you go through every time you step up i do would only do right there flipping the flippers making sure they're working yeah right yep yeah that's i and then of course looking up to see you're the correct player everybody has played out of turn once i i've done it once once and then and you never do it again oh what a save there oh he's gonna tell them so that's so joe will move on we're gonna put ollie at uh dave will move on chris warren uh joe is now trying to take that extra point yeah it means it means nothing now there were practice times yeah so the final four for dave grant from bc uh this is certainly going to be his biggest finish in in a major tournament like this over 200 players the largest classics event ever wow seriously yeah big bob was looking it up this is bigger than any of the papa world championships were and in the other group eric and kaylee george eric stone who was the number one seed kaylee george those are your final four along with joe lemaire and dave grant playing with the big boys so we got some exciting pinball ahead of us eric stone is the bus driver so keep in mind the rules here in the classics he cannot pick the same game twice and this will now be his fourth round i know in the first round he actually deferred he did the first two times the only game he picked in the first round was ali and he said it's a game he didn't want to play so if he defers at least he'll have a little chance on it it was a game that didn't matter to him he had already advanced incredible final four action let me go see if i can get some uh maybe some feedback here we'll talk in a second all right thank you very much jeff so we got the final four coming up we are here in banning california at uh it never drains in southern california in disc the classic one finals at the museum of pinball uh we got a lot of pinball happening this weekend it is daily classics classics one classics two yesterday we had the um classics match play the classics match play plus a lot of qualifiers so i mean even even yesterday's you know we've got our open bank behind us people were starting to qualify on that as well as the high stakes yes we got high stakes we got women's junior seniors it's a lot to qualify for the open uh the new major open world championship debuting this year uh at innova drains in southern california uh we're on i.e pinball of course you're probably watching us there if you are watching us uh carl d'Python Anghelo running the show here our great producer uh putting together some of the brilliant things you are seeing he's got his mobile screen streaming rig there we certainly appreciate all of the hard work carl has done and making a sound and look great yup so we uh our final four oh we're gonna switch over to jeff teolis chris warren here we were just watching that wizard game i know it was tough because you had five points going in in a five four four one situation wizard that tilt uh on second ball kind of haunting yeah i would imagine it is i had double bonus i thought i had maybe 10k in bonus but timmy's telling me i had it maxed so 17 so that's 34 000. it would have been enough to actually win the game instead of coming last so it was going out of the out lane and i gave it a little smack and it and it and it like halfway came back in so i gave it another smack and that's when it tilted and i never could recover from it but hey man i made it in the semi-finals of the largest classics tournament that's ever been held right we had over 200 players see now that is the attitude here and and we were talking because i know i've been following you in alabama and i know that you in the past have attended a lot of events normally something like free play florida which happened in november you weren't there so this is kind of your first real big action in a while it is uh first time i've been over here to endisk um well my last big one was penberg and i don't i don't do as well in the match play format i i i'm the kind of player that can sit there and grind away and eventually you know give me two or three tries to learn the game and i'm going to blow it up more like a pumping dope yes pump and dump or this card system that we're doing here but when it's i love match play don't get me wrong it's fun and you got the you know the the social aspect of it but with with just stepping up to a game cold and and trying to compete uh that's where i fall flat sometimes so this is this is right up my alley if that's falling flat there are 200 players here and a lot of people watching right now on night pinball were saying i'd like to fall flat like chris warren well that's cool it's funny when we got into the semis i hadn't really looked at everybody but i thought surely i'm the lowest ranked you know lowest ranked if a player in the semis because i'm like 400 but the the guy who advanced in our group he's like six seven six hundred and something i know dave he plays in bc i see him a lot of stern pro circuit events like jagpin and edmonton and uh a great player he he uh basically the last two check all right sorry the we had a slight problem there with jeff's mic um cut out at the end there in the chris interview um but uh it was great to hear from chris and um so we are just gonna figure out our booth here for the finals um we're gonna find some more commentators to come in here i think i think i got someone coming into the booth with me right now but mike died all right i saw that that's good okay all right okay good job all right uh i'll be back for the finals got our final four you're not live this your last one uh we're going to kind of final four game one uh so joining me in the booth is greg paparelli greg you want to try to talk and see if you're mike's home no i'm not hearing you hey carl do you want to turn greg's mic on no okay it should be now hey how you doing oh great now i can hear you wow what a wonderful tournament so far right oh this has been amazing um and there's so many tournaments going on uh do you play any classics i did put a couple games in today but i never punched the ticket because the lines were so long and i kept bailing out early but i'm uh going to show up early tomorrow so who's in it here i see uh eric stone uh yeah kaylee uh dave grant and um [Music] joe lamere awesome so many strong players in today it was almost 200 something people right yeah we had over 200 uh the the story is that we are the largest classics ever beat all of the papa classics so wow although there will be some controversy because comet has a ramp right um well what what would pinball be without a little bit of fast percy right roller coaster are you gonna talk about rollercoasters so what we were hoping for is comet pinball actually sponsored comet for the tournament no one has picked it so we haven't been able to show it very good well it is a very awesome lineup of classics games a good mix some ems in there that are playing pretty fair some likeable solid states yeah so in our final four eric stone who was our top seed we'll be driving the bus i haven't been paying close attention to game selection i know eric deferred a lot um in the quarterfinals he needed to use his uh back pocket machine okay and picked wizard um because he definitely he needed to win to advance i love that it's actually limiting how many times you can pick a game it's great so i don't know what he has left um as far as game selections go and what what he feels like coming into this so he he may still defer i know that he loves like games like black pyramid that are repeatable shots getting into his groove get into that stone mojo all right so it looks like we will be playing uh x oxo again um where do you want to be and uh for those of you tuning in oxo is an em where lighting a and b will light that center pop for a thousand you got a telestrator you want to throw on the amb you got your a you got your b to light that right there and you can start milking points and it opens your gate and you can also get a straight line of either o's or x's and light those uh scoops on the side there for five thousand it's a pretty safe return from them too have going going on here the ball is stuck on the uh bumper is that what happened all right rare stuck ball on an em i think that's what's happening i'm not 100 positive here how's your tournament going so far well i just got knocked out in seventh class thanks it was uh man we had a close game i don't know i mean you can almost see it on jungle queen right there it was like the final game was uh 72 to 77 to 80 to 84 and yeah so i was like two flips away basically from the finals so awesome performance man get those whoppers get those uh some bucks to go towards the the open qualifying that's right this is an expensive tournament yeah i mean those uh those combo tickets are so alluring to me that i've i've already done like three of them i find myself being well is that really a discount i'm blowing more money i know i have a uh i i got the hundred packs so i have a um or a high stakes one for the first time and i'm afraid i'm gonna get sucked in yeah all right i appreciate it i appreciated the ability to buy in advance that way it felt like i was oh controversy huge controversy with the with the ball going back into the shooter lane but why because he should because he never went through that it never went through the top lanes and so he should get a he's guaranteed to get an x or an o um okay well that's no count there's no other way to get in there i don't know i think i think people would uh would question this but yes no i believe that is the correct ruling because there is no other way for the ball to come into play now for most people when you make it to the finals of classics you lose a lot of chances to qualify in the main but i know kaylee and eric both had pretty strong tickets they're sitting pretty so they don't pay any consequence for blowing this up that's always nice and it was a surprising number of people who qualified on their first ticket yeah i think that so there was a movement they moved this year to 32 people instead of 24. um i don't know for sure but i'm assuming this is because they were concerned that more than 240 people might show up and yeah you need to advance 10 to your finals um i think it actually alleviated a lot of the stress on the lines because people weren't fighting for the buys so it got a lot of the top players out and allowed the lines to move a little bit faster although i hear they were pretty long and you know what with this many players and so many of the top players in the world it's nice to have extra spaces for people chasing those uh last chance at final spots so bad ball won but yes this is dave grant stepping up ball one this is game one of the final four at the classics one and another quick drain did you guys play this much today yeah i mean i i like this game i think it was one of the better playing games in the bank it's pretty safe you just have to feel good about shooting the a and the b and you can shoot it straight up like you could just hit it directly i haven't played this game very much before today but i just played one game but it was uh it almost has like a true orbit like most ems don't if you hit the uh side lanes you know it like wraps all the way around it comes back down to the other filter it's cool i like the strategy i like the decision making on like when to make that line whether you take that risk there's a lot of choice it's quite it's quite interesting that way i never actually lit any of the scoops but it's pretty safe return so it could be lucrative yeah when we were watching it earlier the right scoop seemed pretty squirrely you really had to hold your right flipper up to defend and potentially tip it to prevent it from going straight down the middle but um kaylee steps up so were you guys uh do you try and do anything intentionally with x's and o's or it just comes to you and then i wasn't thinking about it at all i was just trying to get my a and b and keep it up top and get those safe points but um you know so when we were seeing it earlier like situationally when you get to that point you have it cradled you make a choice like people were shouting to complete their cards um or shooting those sort of orbit shots to complete their x's and o's so we're seeing here the brutality that is in em in finals but uh they all have five balls so one house ball to start isn't gonna make or break the entire game but we have seen uh almost no flips so far yeah this is uh but that's where you're streaming but this is there's something about like you get down to these finals and one of two things tends to happen either you get these amazing blow up games where people where you have four players who beat the highest qualifying score of the day oh yeah or you get like nerves just eating away at people and you know you get what you're seeing on ball one here let's see if joe can get something going here all right so he's got a lot of x's um oh he blocked his middle there so he won't be able to complete that line but he's got a so he's actually in a nice situation okay right here he can shot that left in lane ali pass it to complete his uh diagonal row on the o which will light his uh 5 000 holes and is that going to work and he goes for it there it is nails it off see that's the strategy and the rules on these games like they're simple but there's decision making oh but there it is the sling gives it back and that was a beautiful feed and i did that all day that was working for me in my qualifier there's another five and yeah it's making it look like it's a really safe return there so okay you were saying so once you have an x or an o and a square that blocks you out of that square uh that that's permanent so you have to create the line and if you have an act just like real tic-tac-toe okay if you have an x and an o in the same line you can no longer complete it and joe's shooting really accurately here that's different from x's and o's which lets you put x's and o's in the same in the same south yeah but you do get bonus oh all right picks up over 30 000 there on ball one with a nice lead from joe lemire yes you're getting bonus uh for every cell that you a thousand i think for every cell that you put something into okay and on ball five you get triple bonus and you may have already said this but once you have a line that just sort of locks the grid for forever right well getting the line uh lights your kickout holes right but you can't get any more x's or rows after that point but no you can still get more yeah you can still complete the card so while he had the x lit there would that with that chats have given him an x automatically all right so there's definitely some safety there and i i should have been paying more attention to that earlier i guess yeah so it's really about not like the whether it's an x or an o matters a lot um the real challenge is that the top like without pop help you can't get the top row right and it's dead now because he is nice got an ex internet yeah but he's got his diagonals and oh so this is a great setup yeah he's on the oh oh oh oh oh oh i think dave is playing keep keep it up up top all day so now he's got x's lift so how does he switch it back to there oh switch hits so slingshots uh switch it back and forth and what uh oh so the rollover node right that's between the flippers that's the bottom center okay yeah all right can you read what dave's score is there 21 370 it looks like to me or 970 21 970 stones at 7 000 kaylee steps up we would have to change this to an r-rated broadcast if we put a mic on eric oh it's been done before though all right so now the thousands are lit yeah so that center pop is worth a thousand to hit and those pops are really active so yeah you just want to get up there and let the pops do the work nice control here is that 14 now so he could take the dangerous center target to light his uh holes and he looks like he went for it it was a little bit late with bonus five coming in bonus there for 21 370. all right let's see if joe can keep his lead with a another good ball too here yeah that's a it's when you have like you're stepping up you've got a ball in hand and you're already in the lead it just feels so good it allows you to relax and really just play your game some pop action there that's control oh that center is dangerous so ryan you were you were in the the semis here how did how are your nerves how are you dealing with that uh i was i was feeling it i was feeling it between balls and between games sort of like the longer i mean you and i were talking about that a little bit like the longer you wait the worse that gets you know like sometimes you just want to play and uh so what one awesome shot hits the loop and lights the a oh uh but so when i was at the machine that i i felt nothing yeah okay which is i don't know i just had music in my headphones yeah trying to focus on the ball and change the song based off of the situation um i i tend to get on one song and then when things are going well i just stick with that song and then i think in the in the final for the final game uh the first two games had not gone that well so i switched you know back to a different song and i try to go from queen and black sabbath back and forth depending on the scenario okay all right so we got dave grant here there we go eric unfortunately uh did not make much progress but these ems it's still a one ball game yeah one of the things i like about this game is that um there's nice scoring opportunities so you're never really out there's there's a few ems that are kind of linearly scored and you cap out each ball but this game you can kind of put up an unlimited number of points there's good scoring opportunities yeah that's nice [Music] have we talked about the the players at all i don't know like yeah introduce them a little bit i don't know yeah we spoke about them also like eric stone uh the phenom out of florida came onto the scene a few years back and came to nationals after winning florida state uh did a clean sweep through nationals winning nationals and pin masters and has just become like another player everywhere not only did he win nationals but he pretty much went undefeated in games except losing one game to zach yeah it's like a 40404041 and a lot of people hadn't really heard of him he's no stranger to crushing pinball though he's been playing for 20 something years or something like that bowen told me he used to blow up games with him way back in the day he just didn't compete and then uh you know once you start winning thousands of dollars take it from there and so eric is amazingly consistent and regardless of the era someone you'll often see and see in these finals and he'll just pick games apart so yeah here's kaylee now good in lane and kaylee is is somebody who's known as like a i don't know maybe like an analyst sort of like he's the guy that finds exploits on games right you know you can shoot a shot 50 times in a row and it's worth something he'll he'll do it i look like he did that on that rescue 9-1-1 in the main bank oh beautiful save another one all right oh no like eric he's a he's a very controlled player he just jumped into the lead harder to tell on uh this game also are we calling it oxo or oxo i think it's oxo is bullion i would say oxo because it's they're capitalized right like all these letters but i've been hearing a lot of people say akso this stream is not uh sponsored by aksa so joe joe lemire um joe's had like a really good year last year um solid finishes he's moved himself up he should be joe joe should have secured a place for florida at the world championships next year and he was always a really strong top ranked player but i know what you're saying the last year he started exploding on the circuit everywhere but nepl huge value league that they have multi uh city and there's the there's a line straight down the middle he's got the five thousands lit so now let's see if joe can start cashing some of those in he's already got nails it oh nice wow and again that feed is now really nice yeah and that's a tough shot hitting it into those scoops it looks like there's another i mean he's making it look easy but it's not that easy you got to be real precise yep it's like the blue bounce crate oh there was a tip that was the one you did it's a tip that's what we were seeing earlier and that's the thing that i don't know i think hurts a lot of players like so you the feed is you get this clean feed a couple times in a row and then suddenly it changes and he was right there on it like that's a that's really impressive that he came in with the right flipper to protect from the middle friendly bounce off the bounce and again that one hit ray flipper yeah that that that left sling has uh scored him some points so far do you guys ever flip on an em to try and change the trajectory of a kick out you don't like definitely yeah whatever you choose to do flip flippers yeah so yeah you can so because everything's running on high voltage the flippers themselves by engaging with flickers you can actually draw power away from other components on the game um so a game like say there's a game like aztec where it has a kick out and if you can reduce the power of that kick out you can score the value of oh super skill shot you do it give him 20 000 points folks couldn't do that again if you tried well meanwhile while we have another stuck ball for eric and it's probably gonna get put back in the plunger lane again uh joe lemire has taken the lead with just under 70 000 with uh tons of fives left and right quite literally so the final player we haven't talked about is dave grant um so i met dave for the first time today he's from uh bc area in canada i'm a canadian he knocked me out of the quarters to get get through that round um i don't know much else about dave but this was i'm certain this is going to be his biggest tournament yeah he must be an incredible player to be at this point i think i looked at said like 300 something in the rankings so he's definitely yeah definitely a strong player nice you don't get to this point in the tournament by chance should we wave to the let's introduce ourselves like we're up on the screen i'm ian Ian Harrower i'm ryan wanger and i'm greg poporelli and we are at it never drains in southern california at the classics finals we are on game one of the final four this is like the mecca of pinball now yeah this is uh we got high stakes we got three classics we got the world championships you got women's and you got a bunch of awesome games in the other room do you guys end up getting over there much yeah i was playing some of the stern some of the rare ems that you don't find anywhere else this is a great collection cool i always find myself trapped in this room and i can yeah i can't can't get over there during the classics match play i played a lot between the rounds yeah i focused a lot on like the 60s era ems that i just don't see i was talking earlier i was super excited to play um roller coaster um it's the first game that has a ramp oh yeah it's this like 60zm that has a ramp and it's really cool we had the black knight topper on screen there for a second all right so eric is uh nice little bounce there yeah that was some trust there this game the flippers are tipped kind of low it's a great shot it hits the hits the b or the a when you nail that that orbit and there's the pop slit and it's gates open let's see if he can catch this big time here unfortunately his tic tac toeing isn't great but this is uh not bad so if you can get it over onto the right flipper okay that'll go to the gate that's fine um and so when you get your a and b you're just trying to put it up in into the pops so you're going through the orbits kind of wow did the gate shut off his pops yeah they're controlled by the same uh circle bummer interesting i mean better than draining but he almost perched another one there on top of the lane so if you were to fill up your card and not have a straight line is there a way to reset um i don't know i i don't know if carl knows do we have any experts in the chat yeah steve there all right stone picks up some points finally 37 and change dave grant stepping up this is player two ball four i don't like going through the outside the very outside because they don't hit the pops so you want to kind of hit the four in the middle i today i was having uh on black pyramid when i was plunging into the center i was it was draining me off the plunge a lot of times and so it was it was like weirdly better to go through the outer ones but that game has a different design this is the shot a little bit late and it flies out the right out lane he's at what looks like could be 35 [Music] yeah 35 i should have brought my my uh monocle monocle or my uh off my opera glasses so that i can read the score from here kelly george [Music] all right little busted catch but it popped over the right side is he gonna go center he did he does and he's going center and now he's got the five thousand survives the danger here's the in-lane oh my goodness it's flying cradle there oh come on kaylee oh couldn't get it there that's like i i like i like the risk i like the yeah on the fly shots good saves it's at 53. joe's still in the lead with 68. do you talk about uh game choice a little bit i don't know like we talked a little bit about that so i don't like well so you can only choose a game once in this whole finals round so that's what this is the fourth round yes you were in eric's group last time was he deferring or was he picking uh the first round he deferred and he did not win that game i think he got second and then in the second game he chose game so what games has he used um so in that round he used black pyramid and jungle queen yeah i think those were his qualifying games for the most part so and i know he used wizard earlier yeah he probably is exhausted all the games that he wants to play i did overhear him saying that to somebody right before the finals that he had like chosen his best games already so right it was interesting we i mean we went down to the third player in one of my games for choice [Music] there's the a after the right orbit yeah do you guys like the lives of slings there i do like the the limitation on game choice it's it's redundant when you see the same games all all finals but um ironically we've streamed the game same games all finals uh because people will just defer and let the second place player choose the same game people really love tic-tac-toe man come on don't tell me it's a solved game eric stone petting a little puppy right before he steps up to play let's see if that gives him a little bit of extra magic this guy never ever count out i mean he's really intense but he's liable to blow a game up at any moment oh there's a uh errant flipper there and he's gonna finish at 42. oh darn on my ball was drained yeah in fact in my round he he got uh he had i would say probably three no flip balls on uh sinbad and he just next round just stepped up and crushed it i mean he totally all right was back in it and dave's first objective here is to get 7 000 points to secure a third or better and so you're we're on triple bonus here so every cell is three thousand right so so we're going outer shots like nice shot is now pretty much safe then if he doesn't tilt it's not really wrapping all the way around to the other side like it was earlier for me nice save [Music] oh no all right he's gonna pass eric and he is up officially third place so kaylee and joe playing for the win here start this finals here at classics one of in disc big shout out to carl d'Python Anghelo and iu pinball for all the hard work jim balcito bob matthews running a td running the finals here in classics one and the new collaboration with the ifpa for the open world championships which is going on right behind us folks we've got hundreds of people in attendance some of the top players in the whole world and it is not easy anywhere you go to play every single game score is difficult and they're set fair but you cannot afford a bad game on this ticket style format i know i have one amazing ticket that i broke with the bad score kaylee's got a lot of card filled up he's got his saucers lit up five thousands lit and this is a chance here's his opportunity thanks for the math there andrea 2s1 there's one 28k new by kayleen to force joe to play yup so he's going to need at least four more of those there's one and then that feet out of the left seems pretty pretty consistent yeah is anybody ever passing between flippers i haven't seen it there's another one there's number two another safe return there there's three one more for the lead and he's probably got the lead and now he's in the lead kaylee's not quitting here there's five oh this is this is booming this is the em boom right here right and yeah he was right in there with the right flipper he was about to roll it he was on it there it is and the swings are scoring him he's definitely aware and ready for that defensive great ball beautiful done wow a lot of pressure at that moment kaylee walked up with like 60 000 doubles his score on ball five pretty much that's the time to do it kaylee no stranger to being clutch all right andrea how many points needed we need some calculations all right let's see if joe can step up to the challenge gonna need 25 we got stats on how many 5k holes have been shot oh no there it goes great game from joe who's gonna walk away with two points here going into game two kaylee with the win but eric is still in control of where we go next one of the things i really find interesting in this sort of situations when you get down to that final four you really have to change your mindset from top to advance to i need to win yeah like it's a different kind of situation it's a different kind of place to be even you know even kaylee coming out of a game one with the win is far from over he knows that if he gets a third or fourth here it's right back to the drawing board so so probably everybody here is really gunning for the kaylee well kaylee can wrap it up with a win so in this round like everybody really well not quite that win if joe gets a second and he wins it's not over two wins is not a lot oh sorry i mean uh yeah uh no we'll give kaley kaley wins game two it's not over win win zero yeah you could go zero tied eight all right where are we going we see the stream thanks for tuning in everybody make sure to like and subscribe and all that good stuff carl Python Anghelo the best in the business and you know what carl and jim and everybody else involved with this bob some of the best players in the world i mean they could be competing in this but they've forgotten that to help all of us and help the community and you know it's it's so much work so many countless hours go into it and i'm super thankful for it yeah it was great it's tough to to uh run an event and play in it at the same time but also you put in all that work and it's like you think oh it'd be nice to you know like get to play in this event too i'm not at all surprised that the games are pretty much playing perfectly and that's that's the hardest part in my opinion yeah they had like classics we lost one game yeah force two was resetting and so it was causing some difficulties but nobody was like sorry i'm a big fan of the large banks on both sides it helps when if games go down you have so many options and it just makes the lines a little bit less crazy so it looks like the rig has been moved to spanish eyes oh look the chat is talking about that do or die that you pulled off on like the last game i remember me me and lyman were like just chopping wood on that game over and over again and i wasn't even thinking to or die i was just going monger all day and then you just stepped up and got that 30 million yeah i i played i'd have to look at the thing but i played like five times in a row at the end of the night just needing do or die and in it for the first place and i got it with like a minute to go on qualifying and it took me to a tie for the last spot and uh eric picks spanish eyes a game with a pop bumper in the middle see there and you can trust that pop it does save the ball a lot but yeah did you guys play this i did it once so do you want to walk through quickly spanish eyes rules for people okay so if you if you get one two three four five six you get the chance to add a ball or an extra ball which cat you can play that's one strategy um lighting the pop and shooting the inner horse shoe there will score points um it's it's a different style game right i mean the way you shoot it yeah dude let's let's tolerate this for a second so there's a nub up at the top on the plunge that lights the pop bumpers yep uh which is like right here [Music] and so that will light all your pops which is it's valuable because right off the plunge your ball is going to spend some time up there and then you got six uh you got two here two here so these six uh light your values here and they carry it for the whole game and that tells you how many thousands the saucer is going to be worth so shooting valueless or one or 1000 saucers not so great but if you can get three four five all right eric's down to his last ball here it's a really slow start but he could pick it up he's he's not in a great not a great position right here no but he's up at 20 now and he could still add a ball it's not it's not impossible for him to mount a comeback and start going here again nice up down action that'll help come on there it is pops back out and so you you might see some players nudging when the ball goes below that center pop yep off the bottom but only 30 000 for eric stone you can occasionally get one of these what yep please all right so uh 30 430 that is not a very high score and then did you guys i mean the other thing that you mentioned was like the horseshoe so this shot in either direction is 5 000. i was finding that too often uh oops sorry to like yeah it just got it here we go so there you go to do that or or the reverse like let carl uh use his mouse now yeah um so i was um i was shooting the saucer a lot and it it's a really nice slow feed from the saucer back to the right right right it's been a little hairy the horseshoe even though it's dangerous you have to find it because when you light at a ball for the for the wow you need to collect it there and that's uh so the extra ball is in the horseshoe yeah oh yeah okay right the other kind of interesting thing about this is that uh the space under the flippers can actually drain uh the ball can actually drain from underneath the flippers which is um at the whipped finals that's where holly made that uh that was the pops there good plunge picks up the two i i didn't scare myself from this game dying in that one top getting good points there though that's six thousand now oh first three horse you didn't see that goes right bumper saved him yeah trusted it can we do a little drop catch there oh oh oh is that 13 and a half going into ball three i think i mean there's a way to play this game somewhat controlled uh but there is still the the randomness one of the big factors then if you're playing controlled is what when it goes down around the pop-up or whether it comes back out or whether it just shoots you in the middle good plunge there for the e not many stars though no so that was only a thousand points there yeah i found out today also that if you do one two three four five six eric's score is thirty thousand four thirty dave's going into ball four at eighteen it resets uh the value back to zero oh does it give you a special or something i think it does light special yeah or so maybe in that extra ball oh you mean a b c d e no one two five six yeah one two three four five six is the added ball i don't remember what abcde does it um but he has a chance of getting it here there's another five it's at 25 now [Music] 28 going into the last ball just needs to see yep so let's see what that does he needs three four might also like that doesn't get it but you can get it off that center pop and there it is all right um it didn't do it didn't do much oh it is so that was an extra ball all right so that was a that was a huge boom off the center pop nobody's getting low 31 he's past eric and here's his ball in hand sixth ball it's really difficult to get the ball back up to the pops once it comes down below well that's really interesting you see you got five uh you get five plunges um and you're gonna get another ball if you get a different lane every time yeah it's a nice neat feature he's got a lot of stars now and he could still get another out of ball from the four and the six and then hitting the center horseshoe there's oh nails in another five thousand dangerous i don't like that horseshoe yeah the saucer is definitely the safer plate but i mean it's you know you miss it a little bit and you get horseshoe all right dave ends at 43 720 um do you think that's gonna hold for first i do not think so you never know but who knows yeah okay i think that's looking like a second or third place score from dave [Applause] but i this is um i don't know how the control players like i don't know how kaylee and joe feel about this this game it's a fairly controllable game but there's a lot of uh i wouldn't be surprised if you see one or both of them trying to backhand the ball back up top with those flippers or yeah we were able to do that i mean i tried it looked like it would be possible but it wasn't i wasn't getting a lot of love these games are not my speciality but um if you can if you can find a rhythm and just keep flying the ball back up top your chances of getting that out of ball is a lot better obviously yeah that's true it's definitely tempting i'm a little bit surprised that eric opted to choose this game um it feels a little bit more of like a [Music] i wouldn't say a luck box but more of like a a random factor yeah style game there's 5 000 though oh so i mean you can give it a little nudge there the the penalty on this game is you lose uh a ball like you lose the ball that you have and the next ball nine thousand for ball one there's a decent start here for kaylee picks up the d survives the pop gets the five he's kind of just flinging it around shooting the middle looks like oh there's the world working there's another five oh drop catch maybe nope oh there it is love that nice speed up at 22 now nice yeah wow nice little like drop catch it's really like he's doing a lot of pretty advanced flipper uh skills here that are subtle and hard to see but everything he's doing it's very intentional all right is that 28 going into his third ball lights the pops there's the three nice nice get some points there and the balls back oh no no all right yeah it's like it's almost like the playfield is leaning left just right there he's he's primed to pass both players which would be huge after his win and doesn't get an a or b there but he's got to be feeling good right now another nice thing saucer hit bounce nice yeah you can use official now kaylee is in the lead this game guaranteeing himself six points or more going into game three and he's got to be feeling good pop does the work for him there and left outlanes 47 and the ball four [Applause] nice little tap there from the pop another great saucer he hasn't quite figured out how he wants to deal with that kick looks like he's trying to one hand it back oh halfway up not quite enough oh when it comes back nice wow so it looks like the hole is actually worth a thousand times the number of lit uh lights you have for one through six right yeah he's getting four four each time traps it a rare trap on spanish eyes takes the five every seat again no matter how four off closer to rolling it takes the horseshoe again i don't know is sending it into danger yeah all right so kaylee has a chance here at eight points he will not be safe with eight points if joe passes dave but we still have a very relevant game here from joel so joe would need to get second here or else it's over second or better but he is looking to pass kaylee of course and i know joe has played this game before i've been in the tournament with him against uh i think it was over at ron hallett's place ron howell did great in this tournament today all right there's the bee likes the pops it's super important to light the pops on every plunge if you can get it done do we know anything about uh joe's history with this game i mean i've played him on it before i don't know how much he likes it sometimes those lipouts can register the switch kind of reminded me of like old chicago just like shoot the whole back of the hole yeah andrea says this is not joe's kind of game there's not a lot of people's kind of game that's for sure my kind of game yeah i i do i like weird there's little bands too like you're old chicago there's another five and you're right that horseshoe is like really draining i wonder if you go the other way i haven't seen many people shooting it uh the other way around but all right 16 and a half going into ball three good nudge gets the e and the three oh if you could pop it back to the d that would be big but he doesn't get it there's the d and now he has a sure thing at an add a ball if he can plunge the center here 24 8. he's got two balls to do it all right this is like the definition of skill shot here yeah see there we go this is good inside information does joe played this game in the penberg finals this year so he's he knows there's three thousand there's another perfect see he catches the edge once in a while now it's worth more announcements 4k it's four for more there's another 4 000 quickly this is crucial that 41 and there's an edible all right wow so he has passed dave and he is now safely in second place or better game three will determine the winner this game is not going to decide it either way and joe is has the chance to to pass kaley here 47 nice little catch length shot uh-oh yeah that's the survivors too all right gets the four then the five survives the pops he's living surviving it joe you're giving us a heart attack over here it's like it is so left that's what's making the horseshoe not work final ball he needs 20 000 that's pretty much four or five four shots in the hole we'll do it pretty much with the extra shots oh he's not gonna get still most exciting pop bumpers and pinball nice little nudge there nice oh there's a six now it's worth five don't hit it again is that oh it's not gonna be enough joe finishes second place the exact same finish twice in a row kaylee wins joe's second dave third eric stone fourth we're looking at an 8-4-2-0 going into game three and kaylee needs to only finish third place and this classics one is in the book yep as long as kaylee doesn't take last he's gonna win it welcome back to the booth my name is ryan wanger from common pinball sponsoring this event yeah thank you yeah thank you very much uh i'm ian Ian Harrower and over here is greg pavarelli so yeah to be here carl was saying he was waiting for comment to be selected in the final so that he could put up a big comment brought to you by coming from and no one picked it thanks all thanks to all of you for tuning in hope you're enjoying we're gonna see this final game which is gonna be did we see where he's rolling to well eric knows that if he wins and joe's to take last he still has a chance at that second place so you gotta think he's not deferring he's gonna pick whatever game he feels best on that's left he said he already picked jungle queen you already picked black pyramid already picked wizard but ready he's gonna let's see who's gonna be uh the next picker flash it would be dave it would be passing it to dave uh no right no sorry joe kaley would not be thrilled about that is it kosher to can can you ask like can he talk to joe and say technically that would be cool yeah okay i mean if someone was like if i was standing next to you and you were like if i had game choice i'd probably pick black pyramid right now i mean that's a little bit different than really it looks like we're on friendly around it frontier front here rogers roasters here gotta love some frontier crickets in the background this one's particularly nice with the tap passing uh he probably shots it pretty comfortably too and stone's heading for the races here he's right out boom so first drop target lights your spinner and then bonus multiplier yeah and for everybody watching at home those are the targets that light the spinner which you could rip right there and that bonus collect there is where the big points are at the end of the game those inlanes are adding bonus as well and that bonus is your den of predators right yep which is um completed rows of the completed rows up there okay yeah so you're actually just advancing like left side really high and right side really high doesn't help you you have to get all three nice control from stone and he booms it he's feeling good here you get the b there's the b so that will light the bonus collect um nice little tip great catch let's see spinners he's doing those could be taking the drop targets they advance your multiplier now the shots is a little bit on the fly busted it they advance one of the other multipliers it's gonna ask if this if this spinner spins pretty well the one that i play on it's just you don't get many spins on it and it makes that sad spinner sound like you failed so i'm just i'm curious if this is good that's impressive yeah it's decent all right nothing to nothing to cry about pops are nice do you wanna um do you wanna maybe draw out the uh just like the denim predators and abc and like so yeah so this is the so bonus is collected here yep this shows you what you get and you're getting those the left lane from the you know these are representing the three lanes here and then those shots these shots also are giving you those same things so there's two places to collect each of the animals and you want to do um getting rows across rather than folk you know filling up one column and not the others it's not that uncommon to see the pops push the ball back through the same in lane over and over or even down into a different one like that all right this is dave grant coming in with two points in this final still has a chance at second place here nice nudge there and you know these guys are going to be happy with their result no matter what finishing in the final four of such a prestigious and large event yeah but at this at this stage second place is a huge whopper jump from third and fourth so those still playing for second it's still a big deal yeah do you guys does that come into your mind when you're playing this like the money and whopper difference swappers are all i think about all the time it's written on the back of your shirt you know the money it's nice to supplement the entries you put in um yeah and but you know it's really about the the whoppers it's about this plaque it's about the respect yeah i mean everybody's everybody's here for the for the prestige and the fun and everything and you know we all love whoppers when they come but i think at this level jason woodrick a good friend of mine that i'm staying with when he walked away with 1500 bucks last night he was happy with the money we don't really play for money but that's a big big slice of pizza and we had over 200 players uh playing all day in this yeah this so this was the largest classics event ever ever yep and kaylee trying to secure first place in the tournament by making sure he doesn't finish last and getting his any points that he can hear on a banner so is he shooting that uh on purpose no i think those are just i think he's missing uh missing drops but he's consistently nice target there to give him 2x um that's 2x on the frontier bonus where you guys think shots are tapped he's just hitting that target wow all right he's a madman when it's lit it is worth something and then he finally hits the target and drains all right 50 000 for kaylee do you think he just he's like that's his not take last strategy just smash that target for five thousand well trust me if he's doing it on purpose he knows something we don't know yeah i guess we predicted this the guy who make the same shot over and over again yeah i remember listening to my own commentaries like i don't understand why they don't just shoot the left orbit nine times to advance their bonus actions oh that was that was a weird role yeah a bad bounce off the left flipper kind of just didn't have enough so eric looking strong with 240 000 after ball one frontier the kind of game where you could see two million or one million and then the next time you watch someone with 400k so and the denim predators carries ball the ball so there can be good advantage from having a good first ball a moment like this is like when kaylee's pretty much got his eric stone t-shirt on it's all about eric blowing it up right now [Applause] [Music] 300 after second ball for eric all right yeah so if eric stone wins that's an out for kaylee yeah it's very situational anything but last and joe winning anything that last and joanna yes yeah well right he's a dave and an eric fan right now yep all right let's see what dave can get going i love these new never drained stats that show you your record against the other people you're playing against plus we got the nice score bin integration on this game oh scorebit is incredible yeah if you notice that right below the player names we got the live score being updated we were having dinner before and uh john del zappo was telling me he was having a really good game on rescue 9-1-1 and the game reset and lo and behold the only way to get the score back boom scorebit save the score before the game reset and they were able to continue with the score so that just makes like i want scoreboard on every game in tournaments [Music] i had an incident uh where somebody one of the players in the game pressed the start button in the middle of the game just walked up and like reflexively did that and you know didn't have the stream didn't have score of it but that would have that would have saved me score but a great for those of you that don't know um great device that can record the scores you you hook it up inside your real time from these guys from san francisco i know uh brian o'neill and ron richards and i don't remember who else yeah really really great stuff and lift the spinner nails but not quite all the way around you'll see that flashing uh arrow at the top oh that's a bonus collected and it looked like it was going to just barely make the left flipper but it didn't quite get there kaylee had a hundred and joe with an opportunity here if he can take the lead it's it's set up to have a chance here for him yeah it's his outs are possible they're coming together he's got the ball count right there awesome and we also have a it's really cool in the room uh on all the games there's actually like for the finals there's a monitor that actually has all the players yep players names and scores uh that you can watch as well which is cool i also got a sizeable crowd here watching on a big screen here all right come on joe get the ball under control that's the sling no but it falls off the left he's at 30 42 now anything could still happen here oh yeah one ball you can blow this up but the interesting thing is is eric also knows that he's in a position now where he could tie for second yep we could have bonus pinball yeah back through the b there's the c well i don't think it does anything when it's not lit but still the second row completed this is the spinner and it drains left but stone's at 400 with a chance to win it that that seems like a big lead on this but it's not i mean anybody just has to put together a long ball and some uh some bonus x you know what knowing that you have to shoot this shot to get the the the game going it very often can drain you so there's no real safe ball frontier i mean you could shoot it perfectly and it's true yeah and you can't you can't just shoot that spinner when it's not lit i mean you'll get something yeah you get the if joe's gonna have a chance to win the tournament he needs dave to pass kaylee here picks up the a and the b he needs some c action really nails it on the fly picks up the drop target spinner's lit let's see if he's going to transfer it here ops for the 2x but he did pass kaylee 158 kaylee needs 57 000 and so he has won the tournament do we know what a row is worth hmm i think that did a word actually he's getting close i think it gives a little bit of points but it's not the full bone like the frontier exciting so i'm gonna go out of them well uh let's see i'm going to say these guys are worth maybe he's got he's got it in bonus 3k and the frontier bonus which is uh what is this third of maybe 20k this is 20. he's got it he's got it if he doesn't okay it's always stressful on sticking a ball in the most important moment right could he just say hey why don't you just could he ask to have a dream uh i don't think that i don't think that bob can drain him but he could certainly put it on the flipper and then like let it go would you would you guys have no guts to do that no you never because if you just flip like you like are afraid to even touch it so because if if the bonus doesn't count up that's pinball and you you get screwed yeah i mean if the bonus doesn't count there's no comp ball for that yeah i just think you flip like flip like you're on dual danger we actually had a situation on jungle queen where a player walked up and had 3k bonus to start and we realized that it wasn't awarded to the previous player and they made an adjustment oh wow because it was still there like on the machine the unclaimed price good job by bob [Music] bob usually the classics master he didn't manage to get any entries yeah he was too busy i don't know the hard work and the volunteering can't say enough about how thankful we all are for the people running this and there's a lot of other techs volunteering here as well um i would thank them by name but i don't know them but i know jay but yeah thanks for all their hard work i don't know who do you guys think is like the the classics master i mean bob's up there but for me it's always phil birnbaum the classics master of disaster as i like to call him unstoppable force in classes he uh i played against him in the jerry jerry bernard jerry's uh definitely up there so so if bob slam tilts it there then what happens oh he would get a comp ball and yeah how he's won basically as long as nothing goes wrong could still be a catastrophic malfunction what's he gonna do that left that point that arrow thing on the left do you think he's gonna go back to this thing and who knows what that does but i guess it's worth points he's now six thousand five thousand points all right here it is he's taking the lead on dave congrats to kaylee but he's gonna keep playing hard because this is still a relevant situation for the other two players yes picks up the 2x there really shooting the 15k yeah he just almost completes his card for bonus now yeah if this mattered he would be trying to get those uh b lanes or the i mean that death target in the middle the funny thing is now that joe can't pass kaley he's rooting for kaylee now see the tides have turned he wants kaylee to destroy it now okay and that's not going to be enough to pass eric he's going to come close he's going to get over 300 after the bonus count well 290. all right great great tournament from kaylee george our winner congratulations i think he's a two seed in the main wow that is impressive can't say that you're surprised and joe needs 159 otherwise we're going to a tiebreaker so this is the final uh final ball here 204 players nice save nice catch and that's not gonna be enough we're gonna see the tie for second place kaylee george wins eric and joe tie breaking for second bonus dave finishes fourth great job from dave grant congratulations to him from um bcc yeah pc area i don't don't remember which city but yeah good to see some canadian representation all right and stone still has choice although he has exhausted most of them maybe we'll finally see comet ryan oh this could be your moment i can't imagine so okay if you're eric and you feel like you've exhausted everything and it's down to a tiebreaker like this don't you feel like you would you'd dig a little deeper and find one more game i mean yeah because in a four-player game i picked flash right you got all these other opponents but in a two-player game i feel like giving away choice might even be more dangerous you know flash or ali like a solid state where you could actually control the ball would be my choice i i personally i would be on foursquare okay i don't even know hundred percent two inch flippers are we keeping the same bank for classics too yes great uh i'm glad about that they have not made a decision whether forced to what they're doing with force too okay because they uh need to diagnose why it was resetting yep um but my understanding is this is the same bank tomorrow we were talking about this a little earlier when you come back the second day you play in the finals you move pretty deep like qualifying like how does day two look are you happy are you like yeah i know all these games this is easy or yeah i think i think i am and i think um i think i'd be less likely to bang my head against tickets over and over again you know i'd like hope to just put in a good one right off the bat but going comet all right finally and we have a game with a ram okay did you guys play this game i don't i did comment i did not there are odd adjustments to this game yeah i played it uh i finished a card at five five o'clock and no one was on comet or foursquare so i just played them both real quick and the comment just brutalized me i mean i think i'd be good at that game but no well we've got some comet pinball with our sponsor comet pinball here in the booth that's right and have you i mean this game is you never see this on tournament streams really i don't know i actually it eliminated me from the european pinball championships in the top 16. so yeah i it was on random draw though so you want to tell us about it well i mean i don't know if they've made major adjustments but they made one yeah when the ball goes through here if you could shoot it all the way to the top that's a million that's like the super jackpot shot you want to get one second wait wait wait for it uh carl needs his mouse you want to get the rollovers up top but he's already gotten three of those rollovers which is huge because if he gets the fourth it'll multiply the playfield for a certain amount of time all right so he catches his ramp at the second value and if you shoot the targets on the sides you'll light the center ramp you can tell straight and then once again okay all right so now he's multiplied the play field he's a 2x play field all right you come back forward by completing the tops yep and that's time and it's just going to keep going back up top to try to extend interesting do you get anything for doing the little spiral and does that extend his time on the 2x do you know it didn't seem to i thought that it would i'm going to be standing wherever i'm standing the huge is if you can get up to 5x that's why it gives you your million shots and then yeah and so that's only going to happen on ball three and then step back ball one is two x ball two is three x all right increasing value repeatable goes up to 100k yep the other another thing is normally there's a one um you know so you have the in lean out lane reversed so you like right here oh yeah he made it made a move and that didn't seem like it probably tilted huh no nope eric's at 400. we can get away with some joe at 36. yes it was funny uh jim i was talking to jim about this game earlier he said they used to play this uh on location and you know one day he came in and that gate was removed oh and there you are just like you said yeah and he said the operator just kept pulling pulling pieces off the game to try to reduce their ball times because they were too good i i did the last time i played it was in las vegas and i i i walked away i had like a 15-minute game going and i don't know it just would not plunge here he's going to pick up 3x scoring all right this is a good opportunity for him his ramp is lit and it's gonna go right out unfortunate luck from joe that was a chance to take the lead and that was that happened in both balls yeah 400 to 100 well playing comet all right so will stone go for it he does [Music] oh all right that's the low value only 20k there and uh that center ramp can be safe and easy points okay nice little he did a little drop there to make sure it didn't roll up all right there's one now it increases got a light nice catch there but missed and right out the right is going to end with a hair short of 500 000 after bonus so this is certainly achievable oh yeah and uh let's see where's joe's top lanes if he has no progress no progress so um that those that would be 5x play field if he could complete those i might be wrong but i'm pretty sure if it goes through the left side and feed the left ramp if you shoot it on the fly that gives you a million if you hit the back but i'm not 100 sure i thought so let's see what joe can do here possibly our final ball of today needs some help from the pops but he doesn't get it oh and it's just right out the out again all three times doesn't get to flip unfortunate luck but great tournament from joe lemire finishes third is the worst eric stone bails himself out from a double zero start wins the third game wins the tiebreaker congratulations kaylee george eric stone joel lemire and dave grant grant all right uh one two three four did you get the very nice trophies right there in front of us that's what they want to jinx it by looking at them yeah we're gonna award ceremony yeah we're gonna gather together our uh finalists and i gotta run folks see you guys tomorrow thanks all right great thank you for joining us thank you greg enjoy all right so we're just gonna they're setting up right they're setting up they're getting tournament directors over to make the final presentations and we'll be cutting over to the official podcaster yeah they need to lower the brightness camera it's way too bright okay southern california um hot mic there on the producer yeah so there's still lots of pinball this weekend we've got classics too tomorrow there's still like what day i don't even know what day it is friday there's still like 18 more hours of high stakes qualifying yeah when is the women's finals um i'm sure we'll pull up the schedule later two to tomorrow all right so we've got women's final two o'clock tomorrow um you can see the entire schedule at indisc.com that's right tomorrow is going to be a whole new classic so qualifying from 10 to 5 30 and then it finals at six uh just like this but we'll be we'll have the women's finals before that and then seniors juniors oh i don't even know i don't know i don't qualify for those divisions so i didn't look at the schedule but uh and then you know maine is nine starts at nine in the morning on sunday so seniors and juniors there's no finals for okay and it's just at 5 30 we cut the standings off and award prizes to the top four in those okay all right nice is anyone of it can anyone be in the seniors 50 55 year old but is there a whopper uh cut off right now there's no whopper cut out though okay i i haven't looked at those standings yet i don't know and then do who is who's gonna win that i don't know i don't even know who's qual who's allowed i was in for a second but i think that was a database error plus it's been fixed i know but uh yeah and then sunday sunday the big uh the open finals uh will we top 40 will be streaming that's right and then high stakes right yeah long day on sunday after right right after the opening right yeah we're almost ready to go here so thank you guys for uh for commentating i appreciate it very much thanks everyone for watching we'll have the award ceremony in just the moment here there's also there's also like a tournament going on on that batman and the stranger things if you i mean if you can beat 256 billion which is what escher has then uh go for it spend two dollars actually that's funny there's nobody playing batman now because i think it's a it's time to see and introduce you personally to the final four of the biggest classics tournament ever just happens right here at indus jim belcido one of the fine tournament directors jim you've been doing a great job attacking it's been exciting what a finals unbelievable very nice yeah very good good job on youtube 15 games played excellent let's bring on the final four from bc dave grant joins us right now in fourth place congratulations dave all right come on over here dave i've played with you before at yagpin come on in the shot here uh at yagpin and i know you're from bc you go out to edmonton now part of the stern pro circuit but uh this has to be your biggest finish ever it is yeah definitely what's it like to play with those heavyweights i mean you played joe lemaire a top 50 player eric stone a former uh north american champion in other tournaments and kaylee george who's going to have his name on the banner for a second time what's it like playing with the big leagues it's good it's good yeah yeah i'm used to playing with them in in in the northwest so but but i'm usually you know a little bit further down the rack i think we'll see dave grant a few more of these maybe even the classics too tomorrow yeah thanks for watching thank you thank you all right in third place thank you very much uh joe lemaire who just won a big tournament last week third place come on over here joe congratulations once again good to talk to you uh i know it's probably a little bittersweet there you would have liked to do a little bit on front here wow yeah and that that that tie breaker was brutal three three out lane punches that's uh wish i could play but you know happy it was great i think jim belcedo might have set up the games he's right behind you right now oh my god jim come on anyway hey there's no shame in third again over 200 players in this tournament and that's going to look very nice in your trophy wall one of many beautiful yeah congrats joe thanks very much in second place uh in that tie breaker you just saw on comet eric stone come on over here how's it going hey thanks a lot thank you all right eric yeah hey buddy i did i know it was tough you were the bus driver for a long time uh even in this final round but you went up against the powerhouse and caleb well definitely you know the uh the previous two rounds i had to pick my strong games uh and uh you know i wanted to pick my strong games in the the uh what was it the second round the third round to make the final four so i picked what was left and i was thankful to win frontier and uh you know i got a break on comet yeah good point in that semi-finals you needed that third game to get here it was a 5-4-4-1 situation but uh yeah i mean that's tough too you're the bus driver that's exciting you get to pick the games but in this format you only get to pick them once that's the hardest part yeah if i could pick the same ones i probably would have picked them you know all three or four times but it definitely makes it challenging but it makes it more rewarding too if you come in second or first it's funny you picked comet and i think i heard you say to bob matthews the tournament director i haven't played it yet i will give it a try well you know that song has been in my head for like the last eight hours and i'm thinking why is this song in my head for it oh i said what the heck i'll pick it as a tie breaker the voices in his head that's how you become a great pinball player eric's just the beginning of the secrets all right eric thanks very much congratulations okay buddy let's bring on the champ kaylee george from washington how are you buddy congratulations there's your nice trophy congratulations thank you congratulations thank you all right let's bring on kaylee kaley now it was a little stressful i guess going into that last game you had two first place that's nice but there's a situation where you can actually be in a tie breaker and have to uh battle for first that didn't happen but it was a little tense there yeah i've been in that situation before so you're always rooting for the other two players involved to do their best or potentially do their worst but i have to say i liked on frontier when you had the stuck ball on top of the drops you're such a good player i think you did that on purpose just to calculate your bonus am i there yet is that true well i knew i was there on bonus that's why normally i'd be gracious and knock it off the rail but can't risk the tilt second time your name's going to be on the banner you were a big champ back in 2013 nice to get back up here to start the new decade yeah 2013 i uh took jim down at an old uh in this tournament uh with the center at the bowling alley eight to four come back was that where was that oh okay all right well i mean you just are now the winner of the biggest classics tournament ever you've won a lot of things this is pretty good yeah this is great thank you all right there's more to come from this man right here all right we're gonna go back to booth congratulations kelly then thank you all right thank you everybody for watching we'll be back online tomorrow at 7 30 just like today for class oh wait excuse me we'll be back online 2 p.m pacific tomorrow for the women's finals followed by classics at 7 30 p.m then they'll open on sunday check the full schedule at indus.com and we will see you then good night