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Pinball Roundtable Part 2 with Retro Ralph and Cale Hernandez - Episode 61

JBS Show·podcast_episode·1h 16m·analyzed·May 2, 2025
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TL;DR

Roundtable analysis of Evil Dead success, D&D gameplay innovation, and speculation on upcoming Stern titles.

Summary

In this roundtable discussion, Retro Ralph and Cale Hernandez from Electric Bat Arcade discuss recent pinball releases and market trends. Key topics include Spooky's Evil Dead performance and direct customer engagement, Stern's D&D progression-based gameplay mechanics, speculation about future titles like Pokémon and Harry Potter, and pricing analysis showing most pinball machines remain below inflation-adjusted levels since 2015.

Key Claims

  • Spooky Pinball's stock is trading very high right now, suggesting strong market performance

    medium confidence · Cale Hernandez discussing Spooky's trading stock performance

  • Bug from Spooky personally contacts Cale weekly to get feedback on Evil Dead performance

    high confidence · Cale Hernandez describing direct engagement from Spooky management

  • D&D is not yet fully code-complete, and players can currently finish the game

    high confidence · Discussion about D&D's progression system and incomplete code state

  • Jersey Jack's market is over 90% homebuyers versus Stern's reported 70%

    low confidence · Cale noting he read this somewhere but cannot validate the stat

  • Jersey Jack's first machine at Electric Bat (Godfather) sold at least three machines for them

    high confidence · Cale and Rachel describing their experience as location operators

  • Pinball machine prices have fallen below inflation-adjusted levels from 2015 to present, except for LEs

    medium confidence · Discussion comparing Addams Family release pricing to current prices using inflation calculators

  • Evil Dead is generating long wait lines at Electric Bat, indicating strong player interest

    high confidence · Retro Ralph describing firsthand experience at the venue

  • Harry Potter is confirmed as Stern's next major release

    high confidence · Multiple speakers confirming this is the next release coming out

  • Pinball Brothers' Predator release has been delayed due to tariffs

    medium confidence · Speculation by Cale about tariff impact on Predator's release timeline

  • Christopher Franchi created the artwork for Evil Dead and did an excellent job

Notable Quotes

  • “If you can come out with a theme that I'm not even really that interested in, and then I love it so much because the gameplay is good... that's good. And if you can do this, like you're winning, right, in pinball.”

    Cale Hernandez @ early in discussion — Articulates the core principle of successful game design: gameplay transcends IP appeal

  • “They brought a whole new crowd of people playing pinball that normally wouldn't play pinball... and they took your friend Kelly that we play Call of Duty with and made a tailor-made game for the gamer that progresses their character.”

    Retro Ralph @ D&D section — Identifies D&D's strategic market expansion beyond traditional pinball players

  • “We don't even know if there is a Pokemon in the works... No one knows. We don't have a clue. No one has given us that side information yet. But I said no one here knows. We really don't.”

    Cale Hernandez @ Pokemon speculation section — Emphatic denial of insider knowledge, setting boundaries on speculation

  • “It is going to be the next major release that comes out... These are the things we know. Yeah, we know it's the next one.”

    Multiple speakers @ Harry Potter discussion — Confirms Harry Potter as publicly known upcoming Stern title

  • “Do you still stand by, in that podcast, the last one, you kind of said that you just weren't sure how commercially successful it would have been? And I understand that the IP is massive. It is gigantic. But I mean when you really think about what Jersey Jack game has been a smash success?”

    Retro Ralph @ Harry Potter analysis — Questions Jersey Jack's commercial track record despite strong IP potential

  • “The first Jersey Jack that Rachel and I actually purchased to put in the electric bat, it actually sold machines... I know it sold at least three machines.”

    Cale Hernandez @ Location operator discussion — Demonstrates direct proof of how location placement drives manufacturer sales

  • “Everything was, the pro was significantly lower than inflation by like 10% or something. The premium was still under. The LE was the only one that was over inflation.”

Entities

Cale HernandezpersonRetro RalphpersonJohn SpatespersonRachelpersonBugpersonLukepersonChristopher FranchipersonDwightperson

Signals

  • ?

    product_launch: Evil Dead from Spooky Pinball generating strong demand with wait lines at locations; stock trading high; direct manufacturer engagement with operators

    high · Cale: 'lines for the new game... games that have been hard to get on lately would have been like D&D and now Evil Dead'; 'it's going very well'; Spooky stock 'trading pretty high right now'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Stern implementing character progression systems in D&D that blend story-driven gameplay with optional points-chasing, expanding appeal beyond traditional pinball players

    high · Discussion of D&D attracting video gamers; character leveling system; saved progress mechanics; comparison to Call of Duty progression systems

  • $

    market_signal: Jersey Jack reportedly focused 90%+ on home market vs Stern's 70%, with strategic shift toward location placement with Harry Potter

    medium · Cale: 'I heard something that Jersey Jacks is like over 90'; 'they had a meeting... look, we can't ignore the locations anymore... Harry Potter's a big IP'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Harry Potter positioned at $10,000 entry price for Jersey Jack (vs typical higher JJP pricing) with goal of increased location penetration

    high · Discussion of Harry Potter pricing strategy; 'they're focusing on the general public now with this one. A $10,000 Jersey Jack machine?'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Roundtable members increasingly positive on Harry Potter despite initial skepticism; recognizing IP staying power and kid/nostalgic appeal driving home demand

    medium · Retro Ralph initially skeptical; later noting 'it does interest me though'; children's nostalgia appeal discussed; 'we'll do... I'm curious'

Transcript

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0:00
Mitt Thanks for watching, Subscribe for more crusty Pinball and Pinball Roundtable.com I was at the pinball roundtable a couple of weeks ago at Stern. Yeah, Chicago. And it wasn't even a couple. It was one week ago. I know. It just literally just happened. And that was so great that we thought, hell, let's do it again. We'd already planned the trip. We'd been planning the trip for about four months. Right. And so here we are. So how the pinball roundtable is supposed to work is each of us are supposed to rotate hosting each particular week, but Cale decided that he was just going to give me all the C Bar plup cinemaside 6 or regionally off이읭ægna wage at a trend舞senviä atrás diенная a proposal for the dying doen contracc și好啦 the Goddamn sexy-scripted etme__________introdu Out from under a machine and you're an hour and a half early. Yeah, I know. What are you doing here? I... Like, yeah, you showed up too early. The flight landed 25 minutes early, which is... that doesn't happen. You're very punctual though. I am a punctual person. Yeah, he's very punctual. It's good. You know, I don't have to run with that. It is a good quality to have, but it drives my wife a little nutty because I hate being late. And I think I stress you out because I'm not that punctual. No. No, I'm not late. I just... I come in... You could call it fashionably late. That's a West Coast thing, kind of. I believe in 15 minutes early is on time. Yeah. That's how I work. Good job. All right, here we go. Let's do it. Kale's Notes. I'm ready. You ready to start about the first one? About Electric Bat with Evil Dead and Bug and Spooky? You want to talk about that? Let's go. Tell me about it. Yeah. Well, first of all, this is my first time at the Bat and it is absolutely everything you've said it is. It is so fantastic. I don't lie. No, dude, it's so fantastic. I'm having the time of my life. We brought John Spates with us and John is just hammering them with operator questions. He's got quite a few questions. He's hammering them. It really is. He could submit those to the mailbag. Or we should charge him. Well, he figured he got on a plane and flew over here and maybe he can get some free consulting advice. I mean, that's not too bad. No, no, no. I'm here for it. John Papadiuk, Black Water, person's name or role at Stern Pinballelectronic or ThitnenUSWP Radio Knic rict serpentin Like a pinball show. Yeah. 100%. And I say like from coming here every, you know I come every Tuesday for the tournament night. And you know, when a new game comes here, I always feel like lines, there's always lines for the new game. And you guys usually don't put, I appreciate that you don't usually put the new game in the tournament right away, just because you want to get the people here playing it. But I usually have a game every week that I want to play after tournament night's over. And the games that have been hard to get on lately would have been like D&D and now Evil Dead. And I think that's always a good sign because people are interested in the game. Not only is it seem like it's well built, but people want to play it. Yes. And so like I've had to wait in line to play it, which is cool though. Like I don't mind doing that because it's worth the wait. I think they did it. They just did a really good job and I ended up getting one. So, uh, so I'm excited about the, yeah. Whoa! This is big news! Congratulations! This is exciting news. So you're coming to the bat just like, uh, you have another customer that comes, another patron. Because I don't have it yet. That have one on order but you're getting your fill in now. Yeah. It's just a fun, I don't know, like there's, and I'm not even, like here's where I think, if you can do this, like you're winning, right, in pinball. Right. If you can come out with a theme that I'm not even really that interested in, and then I love it so much because the gameplay is good, And then I get a little bit more curious about the about the property because it's so well done like that's a that's good and I could argue that like I'm not a Rachel plays D&D like you or you guys do some table games right I don't do that and I and I love D&D it's like my second favorite game right now right and so I don't know I just think they knocked it out of the park to make a theme interesting and approachable when maybe it might be a little outside of the norm like it's definitely I wouldn't call Evil Dead mainstream you know what I mean I wouldn't write like I've never seen either movie. And I dig that machine. It's a very campy, cult classic. But for them to sell as many as they did, I don't know, I don't want to sound like I'm fanboying too hard, but I just think they did a really good job, so they do deserve the credit. For sure. I think their press, if you look at their trading stock, Spooky's trading pretty high right now. Big time. Yeah. So congratulations to them. Right. I got a message on my Instagram before we received our Evil Dead and he's like, it's from the Spooky Instagram, he's like, hey, this is Bug, Cale, can I get your phone number? Because I want to keep up with, like, I want to know how Evil Dead is performing. I want, I want, like, any input you have, I want it. And now we chat with each other every week. And I'm just telling them, you know, what's going on with the game. It's going very well. Yeah, so I mean like it's just great for and and I know Luke does the same thing you see them on on Facebook on all kind of social media really interacting with people and that is so important this day and age. I agree. You know whether these people that run these companies can actually talk to you know the customers directly. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. How how is Christopher Franci going to say your show if you have this machine? I mean how is that possible? I'm not sure if I'm on the right track. Does Chris say that? He did for a while. You know, it was funny because I had a podcast where I sort of like, I didn't call him out because that's not really my personality, but I was like, hey, you know, I go, you know, he trolls me anytime he wants to. And then I complimented him, which was authentic. I said, but man, you killed it on the artwork on that thing. And then he did respond back. So I think we're cool now. Okay. But he's like, look, I wasn't saying it. I was just having fun with you. So it did, you know, he sometimes maybe went a little aggressive with the wording, but I'm cool enough that I know. I'm just having a joke here, right? I'm not going after Christopher Franchi, but what I'm saying is Christopher just did a phenomenal job. It is beautiful. That's, yes. That's a segue. It is super pretty. And that's not even— And he killed it. And you guys don't even have the butter cabinet version of it. It looks pretty. The butter cabinet's next level. Right. Imagine if we had the butter cabinet. So the butter cabinet is, to my understanding, is think about a Jersey Jack Radcal, but like we print it directly on the cabinet. Wow. and they nuclear code that so we just like really durable you could you know if you'd like to knock it into stuff and you don't have to worry about getting scuffed up but it just looks enough to mid you saw what that looks like so think the border cabinet is like a step upward its jamie yes that in more haha okay lady gear yet I heat are gonna move the server okay I want to talk about D&D progression vs. Points because we just spent an hour on D&D. What a great topic. Well, again, I'm just steering the ship that you gave us the direction to, sir. Not that I need the credit, but this one was my contribution. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. We have a shared notes and I kind of like to go on the fly, ladies and gentlemen, so I tend not to read the notes for the podcast. That's fine. No one reads anymore. We have done an excellent job on this episode of making sure we're clear and concise. We spent about an hour today. The three of us and John put, I think, four games on it. I had not played the premiums since we had been to Stern, because Rick Heights is a pro. God, it's fun. Isn't it great? Also, having the two of you coach me, especially Ralph, because he's got it Yeah, deep in there, but this is only a little more, is it?

high confidence · Cale complimenting the artwork quality and mentioning prior joking tension with Franchi

Retro Ralph @ Pricing analysis — Data-driven analysis showing reasonable pricing across most machine tiers

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  • ?

    competitive_signal: Manufacturers aware of competitive landscape; Stern timed Harry Potter deliberately against King Kong release window

    high · Cale: 'They 100% knew that Kong was coming out at this time. There's no way that Insider, they don't know that'

  • ?

    venue_signal: Jersey Jack's Godfather machine at Electric Bat drove machine sales for the location, validating location placement strategy for less mainstream IPs

    high · Cale: 'it actually sold machines... I know it sold at least three machines'; 'people, our players would come in here and go like, man, this game is so cool'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Community speculation about Pokémon pinball with progression mechanics; hosts emphatic that no insider information exists

    low · Extended speculation that Pokémon could work well with saved character progression; explicit denial of insider knowledge: 'We don't even know if there is a Pokemon in the works'

  • ?

    supply_chain_signal: Pinball Brothers' Predator release delayed due to tariffs affecting manufacturing timeline

    medium · Cale: 'I think the tariffs have sort of put a little bit of a temporary stop to that, so we'll see what happens'

  • ?

    code_update: D&D code not yet complete; players can currently finish the game; potential long-term design concern for replayability and engagement

    high · Cale: 'right now the game's not fully coded yet... people can finish the game right now'; discussion of prestige system as potential future solution

  • ?

    industry_signal: Spooky Pinball directly engaging operators for feedback; Luke visible on social media; Bug weekly check-ins with venues

    high · Cale: 'Got a message on my Instagram... hey, this is Bug... I want to know how Evil Dead is performing'; 'I know Luke does the same thing... on Facebook on all kind of social media'

  • $

    market_signal: Pinball machines remain below inflation-adjusted pricing since 2015 except for limited editions; Pro models ~10% below, Premium still under, LEs slightly over

    medium · Retro Ralph: 'the pro was significantly lower than inflation by like 10% or something. The premium was still under. The LE was the only one that was over inflation'

    • 10:32
    It's just going to be more formal. Yeah, this game is not a completed. This is an updated game. Yes, but then it sort ofən It's. Okay. Then we got all the white dinners. We set some markers up for black. Then you have Alice Times too, right? Yeah. You have it too. Fine. So, does it bring any more cheers to yourself? Thank you. The cool thing is, is like, that story evolves as you get to different cities and you complete different modes. So to me, it's not really a point-chasing game, but you could play it that way if you wanted to. It's more of how do I want, I'm curious about the story that the Stern has come up with, and I'm enjoying completing the modes because as I do, I'm uncovering more about like what is going to happen in this world that Stern's created around, around the D&D property, which it's just really cool. Right. So I think my opinion would be that they've done two brilliant things with D&D. One, they brought a whole new crowd of people playing pinball that normally wouldn't play pinball. And you guys have sort of like seen that here, right? One hundred percent. Yeah. Okay. I think the second thing that they did is they took your friend Kelly, let's say your friend Kelly that we play Call of Duty with, probably the best Call of Duty player I've ever seen in my goddamn life. Right. Uh, that would be a game that I could see Kelly getting into if he wasn't a pinball player because he plays COD, he levels up his players, he loves, he loves, he loves his guns, he levels, prestiges all the time. Yeah. This is a tailor-made game for the gamer that, that progresses their character. Yeah, well and I think someone that's into video games is gonna dig this because it's like in a video game. I don't want to say that D&D has side quests, but there are things you can go do that are like bonus things. You're not necessarily progressing the story, but it's like a fun thing for you to do. You know, like the tavern brawl thing, that's a fun little side thing. And I just saw that recently because I suck at the game. I can't find the shots. I always play better when someone can say, like, if it's a game, I don't know. Like when we went to Stern to see Metallica Remastered, there's a buddy of mine. I call him my pinball wizard. Whenever he's there, he's like, do this, do that, do this. And he's not intrusive in the way he does it. He's not like, you're stupid for doing this. But I feel like I enjoyed that game so much more. But you started, you were doing real well toward the end of that. Yeah, I'm finding the shots. You gotta work on your shield usage a little bit. Dude. But just like in real life, it's tricky. You have to know when to pull out your shield. You just do. You need a good shield. The Winning is like the Shield, right, because if someone is shooting something at you or whatever, the Shield is not going to be something you slowly put up, you're going to put that thing up quick. It's just, you know, I don't know how Dwight could fix this and I don't think there is a fix, right, and maybe it's not broken, maybe it's me, okay, it probably is me, but my instinct is to slam the hell out of that button, and guess what that does? It shoots your long... It shoots your long... It shoot your arrow. Yeah. Your ranged weapon. Your ranged weapon. You hold it for a little too long, but that, honestly, I didn't like this about it when we were at Stern, and Dwight was like, no, it's the right move. Because... But now I get it, because now I know how to use it, so... The only other option, what you want is about five buttons on the lock bar. That could be good for me, actually. Right. Two buttons? What about two action buttons? It's too much. We have to keep it simple. Because then you'd hit the wrong one, right? Yeah, I don't know which one it is. Blah blah blah. I think they did it. I call it duty. I'm the left of the right. Yeah. Do you feel like, here's the counter to it being more of a progression-based game. This is where like, this is gonna, we're gonna find out whether this is an issue in the long game, is that right now the game's not fully coded yet. So people can finish the game right now. And the reason why they can't finish the game is because even if you're like a moderate skill level player, as long as you're progressing through the modes, you don't have to play them again. Right. So do you think... So you showed us that tonight, ladies and gentlemen. If you go to Retro Ralph's character and you look at the character, if you had selected that potential character, you would be a shot away from Wizard Mode. It would have automatically started the Wizard Mode, which is Ritual of the Chosen, I think is what it's called. That's what it's called. So you had to use a different character so it wouldn't do that? Well, we didn't see the witch. But you can reset your characters. Yeah, or when you select your character, like let's say you have a character that's all leveled up, right? And you're ready. Can you proceed just to that? All you do is when you select and you hold the action button down and now that player starts, it doesn't erase your progress, it just starts that game ignoring your progress. Right. So case in point, we all played, we played a four player game, right? Yeah. And you guys all kicked my butt cuz I'm stuck in a dungeon with my character. Right. So in the second game we all played, I was like, screw that, I'm starting off fresh, and I absolutely smoked you guys. Yeah. Cuz I just went for the points. I wasn't worried about progressing. It's got- it has the best of both worlds. Yeah. And if you wanted to be cheap on the game, like, you could start fresh, right? Never go into a mode and just spam Dragon Multiball if all you cared about was points. Right, right. But I don't think that'd be that fun. It's like a combination of both. So real quick off subject on this. For tournament play, for tournament play, do you let people, do you put it on competition mode or? Um... Cause you don't want someone getting a wizard mode. We do, we just don't let you log in. Okay. Yeah. Cause you can log in on ball too. Right. They do the same for Venom. Like if you play Venom in a tournament here, you know it says like, do you want to start with saved progress? You're supposed to just select no. Okay. We do that and then we have to watch out for all the topper modes. We have to make sure those aren't on. That makes sense. But do you guys think that it's going to be an issue later on? Do you think for the home buyer they're going to get sick of it because they can beat it easier than the typical game? Because some games you'll never see the end of, right? I'll never see Jurassic Park. I'll never see that. Now, what if you took Jurassic Park? Would you think Jurassic Park would be less popular, knowing that it's code complete right now, right? And just escape from the... What if when you progressed to the game, you didn't have to play that mode again? You'd definitely beat Jurassic Park, right? Yes. But would that make the game less fun? Ooh.
    17:04
    Probably Jurassic Park, because it's just one... you don't have the four different characters that you could try to level up. And maybe they'll... maybe Dwight will fool around with prestige in your character. And if you prestige your character, you get an extra couple of arrow shots or some crap. I mean... Why I bring this up is, it is gonna be interesting to see where Stern applies this and where they don't apply this. Because like King Kong, they didn't... I did ask when we were talking about King Kong, I said, What are you gonna do for Insider Connected? They kind of gave me a non-answer. They were like, we're doing something, but maybe it's because it's still in development. They didn't say, but the way we played it, it didn't save your progress in King Kong. It was a new game every time, you know? So, I don't know. It'll be interesting to see what games they might say, Hey, this could be a cool one to do the saving of the progress.
    17:48
    I think Pokemon's the next one they're going to do the same. Here we go. We went there. We did talk about this at dinner. And I do think, even though my initial reaction was, I am not that interested in Pokemon, you're so like... So I wasn't interested in Pokemon until I had dinner with Kale and Rachel. Kale did kind of sell us on it, didn't he? Oh my God. I mean, you getting commissions off of those? We don't even know if there is a Pokemon in the works. Yeah, that's true. By the way, just disclaimer, no one knows that. No one knows. We don't have a clue. No one has given us that side information yet. But no, I said no one here knows. No, I don't. We really don't. We really don't. And I, I just feel like the more you say we don't, everyone's gonna think you do. We really truly don't. Seriously know nothing. Zero. And, but by playing D&D and seeing the capabilities that they've created, For those of you who are new to Pokémon, don't you think this would make sense in the future? Perfect sense for Pokémon? Right, and the only way to tell your goals, are to save your progress. The little Pok evolve over time time gets its work through Whenever it reminds you of the protagonists it is a real surprise to me and toas that Pok evolved too much I not playing it You gonna love it Really You kinda got me a little bit excited about this even though I really don care about Pokemon because this could be a really cool way they do something neat with it Because imagine if they keep I don know the whole world so I gonna probably say stupid stuff right now, but like there's a whole bunch of characters in that universe, right? Correct. Little creatures. Is there enough of them that you could like on a monthly basis add one or two? Oh yeah. Like there's tons of them, right? There's tons and tons of them. C1 Pan PWculkan, When a Pinball Dissoci void in the short and upper boxes, 넣는 violence is the best野生 지� já, and it is harmless, for qui cardinales, adquisition 건 one of the methods carsottas,ydi Tim-D is a sin on you in off airliner campaign stopped that played at on their own or rachael snacks what is it rotten R tenemos right şşş carnival She's over there repinning the connectors on a Stern galaxy. Yeah, it's a little warm, isn't it? Welcome to Arizona, boys.
    20:25
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    21:55
    Maybe I should just go to bed, in porn, but I dare you againd And they are the official sponsor of the JBS show. And so thank you so much. The unofficial official? Well, she hasn't given me any money yet. She should. That'd be cool. Dude, right now, you're right now, you don't even realize at your house, boop, boop, boop. This 18 wheeler's gonna dump off like 100 pounds of this stuff. I've been using it nonstop since I've been here because my lips are on a different planet. I'm in a very dry moment too. Man. All right. Let's move on. You know what? Let's talk. We need to continue our conversation with Harry Potter. We had a long conversation last week about Harry Potter. Caused a little wave, so let's talk about it a little more, okay? That's what we do. All right? Yeah. So... Well, I mean, it is going to be the next major release that comes out, right? Yeah, we know this. These are the things we know. Yeah, we know it's the next one. We know that everyone else has already released everything. Right. So there isn't another. I mean, the only other company that was supposed to release something was Pinball Brothers. Predator. I think the tariffs have sort of put a little bit of a temporary stop to that, so we'll see what happens. I don't know. But, um... I don't know. Yeah, but we, I think we talked, when we, when we squared off on Harry Potter, I think we all had a slightly different opinion. Like, of, of if we thought it was gonna be successful, how big was the IP, like, we kinda went all over the place, so... What do you th- I mean, I think...
    23:32
    I think I have a little bit of a soft spot in my heart for JJP, even though I haven't owned one ever. Okay. Because I feel like the one thing that you can't deny from them is they make like pretty beautiful machines. They look really nice. Like wouldn't you say aesthetically their machines are all very pretty. Oh, they're beautiful. Yeah, very pretty. But they, I don't feel like, and you guys correct me if I'm wrong, I just don't feel like they had one of those games that came out that literally every single pinball enthusiast was like, I need to own that. They've had like glimmers, right? Like they've had a couple of successes, but like I always felt like Pirates of the Caribbean would have been that, but It seems like, I don't know, I was trying to do the research, you guys probably know better than me, it seemed like they initially brought it to shows and they were really trying to show it off in a prototype phase and everyone was all obsessed with the three discs and then they took the three discs out. Right. So it got weird, it kind of like screwed the game for some reason, I think, or at least, but anyway, so like, do you still stand by, in that podcast, the last one, you kind of said that you just weren't sure how commercially successful it would have been, that it's going to be. And I understand that the IP is massive. It is gigantic. But I mean when you really think about what Jersey Jack game has been a smash success, I mean, you know, everybody talks about Pirates, right? It's an amazing game, amazing game. You can't get it. They're way too expensive now. Was that a smash success? I don't know. I think, you know, we don't know what the numbers are like, but it kind of sounds like Guns and Partners Existence of the It looks like they are focusing on the general public now with this one. A $10,000 Jersey Jack machine? And one that they're saying is not going to be lacking anything. Supposedly it's the same gameplay? Yeah, that's what they're saying. That's going to be impressive, especially if they can get more of these on the streets. I mean, it's no secret. Just check pinball maps. Look at the, you know, how many... Yeah, they're not there. They're not there. By the way, I don't know that this is factual, but I did read it somewhere that Jersey Jacks, so Stern, um, Gary always says that 70% of their market is homebuyers. Right. I don't, I can't validate the stat, but I heard something that Jersey Jacks is like over 90. So they're really not, yeah, so that's kind of what they, and I think that's always been their focus anyway. That number doesn't surprise me either. Not a bit. That's what I figured it was. So, like, do you think that somewhere over there they had a meeting and they were like, look, we can't ignore the locations anymore. We gotta, and we're getting, you know, Harry Potter's a big IP, let's try it out again. No question. I mean, that's what it's gotta be, but I do think there's benefit to them if they can get more on location because, you know, Stern is just like a common name. Everyone knows it. Right. If you see it in our space. The first JerseyJack that Rachel and I actually purchased to put in the electric bat, it actually sold machines. Oh, really? Yeah, because people, our players would come in here and go like, man, this game is so cool. I know it sold at least three machines. What machine, what game was that? Well, it was Godfather. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And so I know, I mean, that works. Now we're, I mean, that's a small sample, right? Sure. You get more of these machines in front of people and that enthusiasts who are in arcades, I mean that's what they love. A lot of them for the Godfather thing, they didn't really even care about the IP. I've never even seen one Godfather movie. Does that surprise you? Yeah, that's true. I knew it would. That's embarrassing. Yeah, we turned people on to this game and it actually sold machines for them. Oh, well that's good. Yeah. So what do you guys think? So do you feel like, I mean Kale's, do you feel like you're I'm just wondering if you're warming up to the fact that these you think this game will be maybe not a smash it but you think it'll do well no but overall the the thing like how do you define smash hit are they gonna sell more than godzilla's I mean no way in hell yeah I guess that is hard to define right because all these companies are private they don't really they don't tell us what their numbers really are they're not gonna sell more than made star wars godzilla was the perfect storm of right right before covid smash hit performed on $ herramient lime a classic veins back opened hot meaningful lambda in the yani It seems like that Harry Potter in some way, whether it be a book, a television show or a movie, is going to be around for a while. Yeah. And I'm not, I don't keep up with the storyline and all that, but it kind of seems that way, right? Yeah, I mean I went back and watched, because I think there's some new series that's going to start soon. Right. But I went back and watched them and it was interesting because I watched them with my kids, like my kids were into it. Yeah. And when I went back and watched them, I was like, man, these movies are really good. I just, I just didn't revisit them because it was more of like my kids thing. It wasn't my thing I was nostalgic for. It was like now my kids do have maybe a little bit of nostalgia for it. So it'll be interesting because like if we want to get into like who the people are that are buying these for your house, I think we'd all be outside of the age range of Harry Potter. But we might have been, we might have watched it or got into it through kids or just through word of mouth. I mean, it's, it's wizards and fantasy stuff. It's all stuff we probably would be into, but it's not like it was a thing we grew up with, is what I'm trying to say. No, I got into it for the kids. Yeah, same. Yeah, just totally. But it does interest me. Would I buy it for my kids? I mean, I love them, but I don't love them that much. But it does interest me, though. I want to see what they're going to do with it, and I do think that they know. All these companies know what they're going up against. They 100% knew that Kong was coming out at this time. There's no way that Insider, they don't know that. So I think they know, like, this has to be big. Like, we need to put our best foot forward on this thing. So we'll do... I'm curious. I really am curious. I think it'll probably be pretty good, but we won't know until we all see it, so... When do you think we'll see the teaser, the trailers, all these things? Do we have any idea? Nobody knows, right? I mean, there's people that keep trying to say that it's gonna be, like, next week aligned with, uh, there's like a Harry Potter day, but, I mean, if we just went based on what's publicly out there, it doesn't look like they're ready. What about Harry Potter Day? Nobody does. No it's like, I didn't either I just heard it. So it's kinda like what is it Star Wars? May 4th. May 4th and then March 10th is Mario Day? Yeah it's like that. Oh okay. But I didn't know there was a Harry Potter day either but I don't think. And there's something called 420 I've heard. I have not familiar with that. Right? Yeah. Not familiar with that mom. My mom started listening. Right. Did she really? Yeah. Hey mom how's it going today? Isn't that wonderful, say hello to Anne-Marie. Information Broadcast besides the brings forth chivalrous conversation Cичесca radiooubt to thoseских MSVN Ieste happened ante the I was just going to ask you, you're a toy company, how can you hate these guys? That's the thing. We joke all the time about the fact that we are doing podcasts and Twitch streams and all these things for big man toys. Right! And that's really what we're doing, and when people lose their mind on toy people, I just find it... What's going on? What are we doing? These guys are toy manufacturers... Knapp Arcade I went and looked at the price of Adam's family when it was released. Okay. And then compiled my data into a calculator. I found it online. Which would have inflation. Okay. And we are… See, I graduated college. We're below what they should be if it would attract. And you found the same information using some other data. The only one that you could legitimately make an argument for is overpriced would be the LEs. Everything else has fallen below inflation. I only did my data from 2015 to current. Okay. And so everything was, the pro was significantly lower than inflation by like 10% or something. The premium was still under. The LE was the only one that was over inflation. I think that's the only one. I'm the only one and I buy these too, like I buy LEs but if your mindset is like I'm in modern pricing, at least on the LE, if your mindset is I'm buying this as this investment that's going to make money, then you probably shouldn't buy the LE because the other ones you may lose a little bit but you're going to be more even. So if you're someone that cycles through your collection quickly, then I would say an LE would be probably not the right one to get unless, because the only ones that have held... Unless you have such a fear of FOMO that you want it first, right? Well, that's part of it. Yeah, if your selection criteria is like, look, I know I'm going to lose money, but I want it now, then I mean, then you're doing that up front. But the only games, modern LEs that have held is Metallica Remastered, but they only made 500 of those. So that was kind of nice. And then it seems like Jaws LE is still holding as well. But you're talking very modern. Like, I mean, like an Iron Maiden LE. I don't know. I didn't look at those. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe because those were cheaper priced, right? So there's like two sides of the coin here. When you look at the data, pinball is not too expensive. These are commercial pieces of machinery that now, let's just look at Stern, 70% of the public can afford. That's impressive. And I think that speaks for, you know, our economy has been doing well for a long time and is doing well. The fact that, you know, all of these people can afford to have these, Airällies to hyyliseray asian- People might just call it. Like, I Genesis still think it's like indict Ret factual to it right like it can still be it's how insane. It's not just sell an З team year. They should sell on the short period sunlight looked at or his lawyer is color them fiction preparing I was aそれ. So it's not like it's ever really been cheap. You could argue that like the secondhand market and the used stuff, you can, but that's like, that's like me saying I could go pick up a Pac-Man from Bandai Namco right now. Right. That's like four grand, or I could go buy an original Pac-Man, you know, from someone selling it on, you know, and I could probably get that for like 800 bucks if I looked at the right places. You know what I mean? So I don't know. I guess I don't want to sit here and be like, oh, these are cheap because they're definitely not cheap. So, I'm a little bit confused here. I mean, it's not cheap. Correct. But I do think they've fallen a little bit below inflation, so I don't, I think the current pricing, at least on the lower tier models, is fair for current times. Right, right. The big thing is, you have two sides of the coin here. It, are pinball machines too expensive? We can look at the data. No, for what they are, they're not too expensive, right? But then you have the people, and Jason from the Pinball Party, go check him out, Pinball Party Podcast, he's my boy. Well, I'll bust his balls a lot when he complains about the price of the pinball machines and he's been priced out of it. But he hasn't been priced out of it, it's just the secondary market is not working the way it used to to where he could get a machine. And other podcasters have talked about this, a couple of them. initials are sticking the pinbarlus at s such na 80 that you have to give me,ост gu diamonds Matty aim,
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    At�든 따라ldarnsolar- malha여 Buri asteroid So now the Team I'm a fan of Foo Fighters. Believe it or not, when I first bought it, I didn't give Foo Fighters a chance. I love it now, but at the time, I also didn't really love the code on it, I love it now. I actually sold that to Cobra Arcade Bar for the exact price I paid for it, but that's not common that much anymore. Usually we are going to take a little bit of a loss on the game if you buy it new and think you're going to sell it the next day. The one argument though just to kind of like there another side of this The other side is this part tough because it really depends on what you what you really enjoy about a pinball machine But there are people that say look I don think it too expensive but the price now if I they compare like what in a game now mechs and toys versus what was in before And so they feel that the games are getting stripped of things like all right instead of a sculpt I going to put a plastic or I going to put less mechanical things in it So there are a group of people in that argument is valid that they say I don feel like it worth that price because you don put as much stuff in it that you used to So that is valid I can argue that really There are less Pinball You go, man, this game flows so well, it just does. Well, you were playing well, too. Which doesn't happen very often, so I appreciate you saying that. It was nice because you were playing well and he hit that flow going. So, yeah, look, prices are going. But what do you think about that point? Like the less stuff in it, so therefore they don't feel like they're getting the value out of it. Because you can't, that's someone's opinion. Less stuff, I mean, can we say that with Stern? I mean, look at, like Iron Man is out there right now. Yeah. I mean, it had the mech that pops up and it has a magnet that shoots the ball back toward the flippers. I mean, I think they're talking because what's iron Iron Man was like, what, 2000 and what, like early? It's early before I got into. I think there's I think when people make that argument, they're talking about like the last 10 years of Stern stuff. So like Lord of the Rings compared to Yeah, because Lord of the Rings was like packed to hell, right? So so they use that one a lot, I find. Yeah. And I can see that, The But like I don't know I look at let's let's talk about X-Men uncanny X-Men That yeah, you don't get the things that that bust down the wire form or the finger thing Mm-hmm, and and the head doesn't come down, but that head is still the same head So like you're making a little bit of a concession, but I don't feel like when I look at that playfield I'm like oh man. It's super stripped. I don't know on the on a pro. Yeah I know I think that's like the most expensive pro they've ever made like I mean they cost build it. Yeah, what's in it? So I don't know, I think, I really do think like Seth Davis and the new crew over there, because if you look at D&D you could argue, I don't necessarily, the dungeon thing is cool and the Dragon Head moving it all, animatronic is cool, but it's still good, right? Yeah, it's really good. And do you look at that and go, oh man, they stripped the hell out of this? No, right? No. By no means. We're going to know the same thing on Kong, they're going to be saying the same thing.
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    Do you guys feel like they stripped Kong? No. So you don't feel like the pro is stripped? I don't. I don't at all. Not at all. I played five games on each. I'm telling you. It's not. Yeah. So I don't know. But that is the counterargument. A lot of people go, hey, there's less stuff in it, so therefore they don't see the value. And I can't argue it if that's their personal preference. You know what I mean? If you really, if you value every mech in there, then you're kind of forced to buy the premium. And I can't, you know what I mean? Yeah. So then you could kind of say like maybe that person's priced out because they have a different what they value in the machine is different than what I value in the machine you know what I mean? The conversation also started at dinner about how Spooky didn't raise prices Stern hasn't raised prices Jersey Jack's actually lowering prices if you think about it by by adding the other Adding that the arcade tier TV
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    C Bar),pinball They gambled. They're going to see how this goes. Yeah. Well, their whole pitch, right? Like if I'm following it right, it seems like there was a little campaign that they did prior to Dune launching. And I think their campaign was targeted at, we're going to show you additional value. It did go up, but we're going to give you a perceived value that you're going to feel good about the 11.6 or whatever the price is. I think that was their plan. Like, hey, let's keep talking because they have the shaker. They didn't have a shaker in Labyrinth. Invisiglass has always been something I think you either buy because you want it or you don't, but I guess including it's cool because it's, you know, you're not going to get as much glare on the glass, but and then what's the other, on the lighting. Lighting. But that's always been stuff like, I wonder if they got in a room and said, hey, Stern charges for this, this, and this. Let's include it, but with a marginal increase in our price because what's the, what is the increase? I don't even know. What was it, what was a labyrinth? I think it's like a thousand bucks. Has it gone up a thousand? I think it's a thousand bucks. Well, I mean, Shaker Motors's like $129, Invisiglass is $229, and what, what, the, actually the expression lighting by Stern is like $499? Yeah, so there you go. It's a, it's a pretty good value. So, it's not bad. There you go. Yeah. Alright. The, the verdict is out. The verdict is out. Way to go. No problem. But you are forcing your customer, but you are forcing your customers to buy it. At least Stern I can go, hey, I'm gonna buy a pro, and if I want those things, I can put them in. I think Barrel should do that. I think, like, Well, make them accessories. How about this? independent likely excel Zpt Sr. Until we were in the car coming back on the way here, I didn't understand it. And you guys have both told me, both Rachel and Cale. Yeah. And this makes so much sense. You guys are at the arcade a lot, but sometimes you're not here. Right. And if you get a coin jam in one of the mechs, you just might block it off for a temporary until it's fixed, and the game's not down because you can use the other slot. I wasn't even thinking that. It's like, well, if that happens, that game's down if it has one coin slot. That's it until you get here. So, people at home might not know this, the coin mechs have a magnet in them. Quarters do not hold magnetization, so they'll slide right through either new tokens, but Canadian coins will get stuck. What is in it? Is it like a different metal mix or something? Obviously, yeah. But they have a magnetic personality just like real Canadians. Yeah, Joe. Gotta love Joe. I love Joe. You know, we're gonna... What is his disgruntled awards? The degenerates. Pinball degenerates. We need to get one of those. Degenerate awards or something. Well, we want to win a Twippy and a Degen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think we go full force. You know, he's the breakout creator. You've got two Twippys over there, I saw. You want to see him? We don't have to grab him now. I mean... From now on, we're just gonna lay him on the table. We know you won for... You beat the wormhole. Pause in Video
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    Pinball We ran out of memory on the memory card. We were gabbing for too long. We're back. We're recording in 4K. That takes up data. We're back. We're back. Are we moving on?
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    Well, we were talking about barrels and it looks like they're focused on... Let's get another coin door for my boy here. Home buyer. Let's get another coin door for you. We can make that happen. The operators have to have it. We got to make that happen for you. They have to have it. All right. Okay, so... I think it's time for a quick... One of the favorite segments from last podcast was stupid Jamie Ralph story. So I think we've got another one here that I'd like to share with this. Here we go. Oh boy. Okay.
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    Ladies and gentlemen, during the twippies, Ralph and I hung out at a gentleman's house named Russell Schrute. Nice guy. And he's great collection, dude. Seriously. That would freak out, right? Yeah, freak out. And his Topper games unmatched. So we go. It is. I mean, it is, okay? I mean, he has stuff you can't even get. So Ralph and I started playing some games and he goes, Hey, have you ever played Avatar? And I said no, because I was ashamed to admit it. But I had never played Avatar. One, I wasn't invited to the Avatar event from you guys. Okay. Wasn't big enough at the time. Why you say from you guys? I didn't. Well, you guys were both invited. I wasn't actually, I wasn't actually invited to that. All right. Well, you were. To which one? Avatar. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was not invited. We weren't big enough yet. Right, right, right. We just weren't there yet. And then... They didn't even know who the fuck I was! Oh, that's what's true. I don't even know how I got there. That's true. They're taking your advice, they just didn't know who you were. Right. So, anyway... Shake that off. So, I had never played it, and Ralph was very kind to walk me through Avatar. I thought I was helping you out, yeah. You were totally helping me out. Every time I had a chance to play it, ladies and Gentlemen, the lines were just too long and I was usually streaming at a tournament. I never just had a chance to play. Yeah. Okay? Good preface. So we play it, had a great time. Very next day of the Twippies, we are at Barrels of Fun. Me and you are eating barbecue in the conference room. Such good barbecue, though. It really was corkscrew. God bless them. Did we talk about this last episode? Yeah, we did. Yeah, it was so good. Mission star. That's right. Awesome. I'm sitting next to Ralph. Ralph is here. I am here. And across is Aaron Seiden and Mark Seiden. Really close by. I could put my hand on his leg if I wanted to. Very close. Okay. Ralph, eating his ribs. Eating his brisket says, I can't believe you've never played Avatar before. And I panicked. Sometimes I do say stupid things. Aaron, I lied to you. Right in front of you and Marc, and I'm really sorry, okay? So I said, dude, of course I've played Avatar. Because one, you put me on the spot, you made me look like kind of a little bit of a jackass, so I panicked. I know, and I so- And I shouldn't have lied, but I panicked. And I made up a long story, Cale, that I had played Avatar, and that for some reason I just thought it would be funny if I lied to you. And you know at this point I was all messed up because I was like maybe he's I didn't tell I couldn't tell if you played it or didn't play it because you had a good game on it so like well maybe he was just lying because he wanted me to choose a game that you already knew I was really confused man and and then I kept saying more dumb things now he keeps asking me questions and he's hammering me like but you said you didn't know in front of Mark Seiden and I knew it was Mark Seiden I just wasn't thinking that well that day I left the room and I went to him and I went, what the hell? Ralph, what are you doing to me in front of them? So this is a public apology to the Sidans. I'm very sorry. I lied. And Ralph is potato head for calling me out. And it's just another stupid Jamie Ralph story that we wanted to share with you. You guys wrote down something about me saying Shyamalai tonight. Oh, oh, yeah. So Shyamalai. So we should ask our... Was that a... It was a mixed drink. It was a Shyamalai Old Fashioned. A cocktail. It was a cocktail Shyamalai Old Fashioned. And I said, what are you talking about? Let me see the menu. Yeah. That's chamomile. You've never heard of chamomile? No. You would have thought that we showed him something, like some new atomic particle. He did not... It's not like chamomile. It's... What's it called? Chamomile. You've never seen like... You could go to any place. Please note you can 25x have I think we should get together and just send this guy a ton of chamomile tea or something. We will. We will. I'm never going to get it. There has to be a tea of the month club. We're going to hook you up. Orbital Albert, if you're watching, I know you roast Coffee. Maybe you roast Cham-a-lee tea and that would be delicious. Cham-a-lee? Oh my gosh. Cham-a-lie. Chantilly. I just, I don't. We didn't even know what you were talking about. I don't know what I was talking about. This has to feel good. So, this is the stupid Jamie segment of the show. I did graduate college. It's a miracle, really. And I just graduated so that Jenny would hook up with me and marry me. Bam. There we go. You did good. I did great. I did good. You did good. All right, let's leave it with this. Okay. Let's end with the Godzilla King Kong next to it. How do we get these machines to talk to each other? Right? This is my thing. Like, why? Like, why do we want to link to pinball machines? It's only been done one time with, what was it, NBA Fastbreak? Is that what it's called? I think so. NBA Jams or something? What did they actually do? You actually, Rachel and I played it at Banning at the Museum of Pinball in Banning, Southern California. It's not there any longer. It was an amazing place, a magical place. I never got a chance to go. So, the whole deal is you would get two of these NBA games and you would link them and you had to have this special cable. It's probably like a fiber optic cable or something. It was something. And then you actually you would play like you're playing basketball and you would you would have a score and they were like low scores. I don't know if you've played it. Yeah, I mean you could win with like five. So would you both be? For real! Would a dream like mean the other guy won or got a point or something? I can't exactly remember. But like, yeah, it was it was something like that. But and now I'm seeing all this talk about I hope you're able to link Godzilla and King Kong. But like, like, why? I don't I don't understand it. over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and The licensing Goddamn nightmare just try to get an unlicensed game of King Kong right through a licensed game of Godzilla It's never going. How do you even do that? No, you never going but let's say it wasn't a licensing issue What what do you want to do now? They're linked up. What do you do? Fight in the ocean. I don't know like what it was like. I'm Godzilla and you're King Kong. It's but you're not King Kong in the game No, no, no. Honestly, it's stupid. And it's never going to happen. I don't know why this keeps get floating inside. People please stop. That's why this is our, again, we're doing a lot of public service announcements on the round table. Don't you think that our public service announcement of the day should be? Let's stop the Kong and Godzilla together. Put them next to each other. Yeah, I have no problem. Yeah, that's gonna look badass in the back. Right, okay, right. Okay? Right. It's gonna look really cool. It's gonna look really great at Eureka Heights. Let's just leave it at that. And they're two separate games. So let's just move on. That's my public service. Yeah. So yeah, I don't even know. I guess I didn't even really get that invested. Like I just kind of thought there's no way that will happen licensing wise and kind of moved on. But the only thing I've been kind of like, I've talked about before that I think would be cool. And I want to be careful with this because I enjoy playing on location and in a real tournament. But it would be kind of neat if I had a game and you had a game. Like we had the same game as homebuyers and I could somehow through insiderconnected play you. Like I get like you'd be the player too, but you'd be like a virtual player too. And we'd have this like it would work like you and I local, right? But it would do something like my game would go dark when your turn was up or something. And like everything would you know what I'm saying? Like we yeah, that could be kind of cool. I think that would be super cool. That's the only way to get a pinball. It's not for a tournament virtually but like two people. I think Jersey Jack's probably going to be the first one to do it though. Because they already have the camera in place. Well, didn't What's-His-Name already do it? I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought the, the P3 guy did it. I thought he could do that. Oh, you could, yeah, you, for years, you've been able to, yeah. Like you can play against each other online, I think. There was, there was a racing game that you could, yeah, he's been doing that for years and years and years. But it doesn't seem like in, maybe it's just cause they don't have many that, those units out there, I don't really ever hear anybody talking about that. Right. It's a fantastic feature. I love playing Call of Duty with this dude. So I think it would be so... Oh man I wanna do that now I do But here my thing with that Is this a stupid idea though Like if you No I think it is Okay You think having a camera there Kologia taki saada slot prbank6fn8ylyko payday pKS n9 Jamie 8 Franklin2 akeshkjnk2 sarai game Adam mum life änêtre ASI Tel hard C Bar� dads, no I open one at your house and I open one at my house, they can play completely differently. You know what's funny? Kale just reminded me of this thing that this happened to me. So this was when I was collecting, I had like multiple storage units filled with arcades, right? Because you kind of looked at me and said, he shattered my dream. Yeah. It wasn't really a dream. It's just funny how he's like, yeah, this isn't a good idea. So I was there's a guy locally that used to be in the arcade business, like, forever. Here in Phoenix. And he came to my house because I bought something from him. Jase Razautenantalternate Transcript tabs But my face went from excitement to like he completely... I think I know who this is. He deflated the shit out of me. I mean I was so... I remember calling my buddy, I'm like, Hey man, I don't really think I'm gonna pursue this arcade bar thing. And he goes, why? I go, I don't know, this guy came over to my house to drop something off, he just killed it. He killed it for me. But I was like, he's right, I don't know how to run a bar. What the hell do I know how to run a bar? So anyways, I don't know. That's what Cale just did to you. Yeah, but it is good now that you did bring up a lot of variables like how would you know half this right? That's going on the other side. Yeah, unless you could do it through insider connect you
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    Everything but the pitch you could you could make sure the settings are correct boom boom boom It could work. It's actually kind of like when we were doing the what's that? What's the thing Stern just did I really liked it. It was like a couple months back. What was that thing called the race thing? Yeah, yeah, I liked the race thing, but there was some serious shenanigans going on with the I know. Because I was playing with people. What was cool is if you logged in here and you were doing the race, you'd then see on your phone the people at the bat you were competing against. Everyone here was very like, it was normal. I'm like, look, that's, I can understand that person going to the bat and playing and making that score. There were people that in the first like two hours had a score that didn't even mathematically make sense. There's no way they could play that much time on the game. I know, but that's bullshit. Yeah. That's bullshit. Like we were all trying to play it and have fun. I know. I'm always one bastard who ruins it for the rest of us. And like you know someone at Stern's like we can't put, cause here's the thing, if those people are gonna cheat, you could put a sensor that tells you when the glass is off, they'd probably like put a piece of tape over the sensor and then like you know what I mean? Oh for sure, there's no way around it. I mean that, that, that, these games, this is not what this was designed for. These were designed for people to get together. Yeah, get together and that's really what's important anyway. I've got only four players on this machine. This is not an Xbox. This is more like an N64. Do you think though that they'll try to incorporate more? Because they've got to do some more stuff with Insider Connected, but do you think it'll be more like stuff like we see on D&D versus it becoming like a connected console with another pinball machine? You don't really think that's the direction they're going to go with it? I don't think so. Maybe there's something I'm not thinking of, but it just right now it just doesn't make sense to me. Yeah. You know, because it's not apples and apples. You know, every machine is very different. It would be cool though if they, like some people have large collections. I think it, and everyone's been asking for home leaderboards for a long time. It would be cool if you could run like a non-sanctioned, just like you get your buddies together at your house and do like a non-IFPA. Like have the software do all of it. You know what I mean? Right. L Party X Tech. Live a life of capital crooked and Wen chain P YOUR сразу Warar suggested NCB dig我跟你講 The I've been thinking about this for a while, because every time I get a better score, he's like, dude, really? Like, I've updated this, this frickin' sheet. Right, right. So you have a home board. I shouldn't even be admitting this, this is dumb. I shouldn't even admit this. Let's just, can we wrap up the show or something? Oh my God. Do you really have a home leaderboard? Did you set up a TV? Yes, there's a TV. Do you have, does Michael Grant send you Stern Army stuff? It says, welcome to Retro Ralph's Arcade, and it says Stern, it even says like Stern, authorized location as a joke. Oh, okay. So you have a home leaderboard. Yeah. So you have a home leaderboard. Yeah. So you have a home leaderboard. Yeah. I'm not sure if that's like Stern authorized location as a joke. Oh my God. Am I going to get made fun of for this? No, just from me. No, I think I'm actually good. This is like one of those regret moments. No, no, we're not editing it. You're fine. It's fantastic. We're keeping all of it. All right, ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for another last edition. You didn't lie to me. Are we really sponsored by these people? No, they didn't give me any money. She didn't give me shit. I just really like your product. You have to have this. If you're in Arizona, you have to have this. Oh my God. Oh my God, it's an absolute must when you go to another planet. It's pretty epic, yeah. You go to the desert. But, hey, thank you. First of all, thank you for being gracious hosts. You guys have rolled out the red carpet for me and John and my friend Mike is coming tomorrow. We're so excited to be at Chewy's tournament, but it's not Chewy's. Rachel's going to be running it tomorrow. Chewy's on a cruise right now. So Rachel's world famous all classics bounty knockout tournament. I'm pumped. Out in Pompton Tuesday, I can't wait to play League Night. This is fantastic. It's a dream come true. We've been planning this for so many months before we even thought of the pinball roundtable. I'm so excited. And I have to wrench in. We went to dinner tonight before this and that was awesome. Really good food. Thank you for that too. I've heard that too. That was a good place. It's a place called Valentine's. They're not a sponsor of the show, but the chef came and brought the food to us. He's a James Beard award-winning chef and, God, I didn't think the food was going to be that fantastic. It was ridiculously good, like off the charts good. And the company was so wonderful. God bless us all. Yeah, it was great, man. And we ate outside? Yeah. What do they call that? Al fresco, right? They call it chamomile. Now be ready for more Pister Playlist Internal Fan Sacrifice sigueinand�bio-Evo Soicheejzheziht We're on special occasions. Only on special occasions. Yeah, what app do we use? Restream? Riverside FM. Riverside, yup. So we'll set that up on Riverside. Again, you're watching us. If you're just listening to us on all the podcast stations, we are going to post this on our YouTube channel. Just search JBS show from there. That's it. Anything else boys? Am I missing anything? That's it. We cut, we did it all. We said it all. We did it all. Hey, great steering the ship, man. is ainho sortingomen� Gameavo manter Scyburn eman out obtime Now we're about to go out there and play some pinball. What are you itching to play right now? You know, I was itching to play Metallica Remastered because I had never played it. That was my first time. Are you kidding me? No, honestly. Your reaction was pretty cool. You were like, man, they did a really good job on this. So I've been over people's shoulders watching them play multiple, multiple times, but the lines have always been too damn long. Okay. And we didn't have any on public occasion in Houston, so I never got a chance to play. You know what I'm really angry that we didn't do at Stern? Talk to John Borg. Because we were talking about this. Why does this Metallica shoot so much better? What did you do? I don't know. I wish I knew the geometry of the shots. We should have asked him. Nobody knows. They have secrets. I put up 120 million on it. I mean, do you think? I would have never done that. I would have never put up 120 on regular Metallica. You're lucky to get like 10 or 15. I so I don't know maybe they maybe they saw that there could be some tweaks to the Geometry just so slightly that it makes it maybe a little bit more fair and and more fun I don't know. I love the new songs too. Yeah, and they had enough time to do that because think about that this game We were supposed to end the podcast
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    Yeah, so I mean they had a game that so many people have played and loved over the years and And...and, you know Borg has been able to play and get input from his friends, and–and you heard on–uh, on when Elwyn was on Triple Drain or later spot, that's epic three and I– three and a half hour long. That was good. But they were in the room next to us when we were doing this. Right. They were in that room forever. 100%, that was magical. Yeah. But the–the thing Keith was talking about how when he was doing the whitewood for God's– Not Godzilla, King Kong. And just like move like that that side ramp where you say just moved it a little bit and that and that Made it to where it was like, oh it all flowed. I mean, maybe they just move things just a little bit or metallic I don't know but I would love to get like an official word like and I know there's more ball saves which made which makes it a little Bit more playable. Yeah, but what else did they do? It's it's really beautiful I at first didn't like Sparky now. I really like Sparky. Yes I really like the hammer even though it's enormous. I like it. On the original game it does tell you like how many more times you have to hit the hammer to qualify the lock and stuff, right? Or is that new? I don't think it does. And same with Sparky. That information was not in the D&D. Sparky was underneath the lights, right? I think there was lights, but you're saying like on the hammer and the graveyard, like none of that stuff, you didn't know when you were qualifying. I don't believe so. Like if you're opening the pen on the internet and you have a pinball packet note in your shape that says Pinball 1 in the excuse for aairvention, screw block what the hell and you can achieve 4 pinball infamous pinball in one 135马 Yeah, you should actually have a pinball packet note in your shape if possibleね and, they said there re 4 only on Netflix. So once we fly those pinball packets or pinball packets into a Bob pierce byiyikoDNQS писu riihiki And, uh, or if we get him on, don't ask him. I wonder if Ray Day would know like, because he's he worked on, he would probably know. Yeah, well is they've done a fantastic job and we, again, we did talk about that at dinner tonight. But that's not the game you want to go play right now. When, if we ever do in this podcast. Oh, you, you want to go. I want to go play D&D some more. Then I want to play Evil Dead. Evil Dead and D&D. That's at the top of your mind. tony плюсd Clasics. It's all classics. Have you ever done that before? Yeah, I've played classics. We have an EM tournament in Houston that we play, put on by Spencer, great dude, Spence, Garry Gaskin, and thank you Spence. And yeah, I normally suck and get eliminated pretty much in about six rounds. But now in this tournament you can win money. I'm not going to win jack tomorrow. What I'm here is for fun and entertainment and try to get on the stream with Serge. I'm gonna meet Serge tomorrow? Who is Serge? Isn't that his name? That is his name, but who like the the people watching probably don't know who Serge is. Well if you're not watching Twitch, you're just on Twitch right? Right. On the Electric Bats channel. Serge is the rules, well please you talk about Serge. He is the absolute rules master and we did not know if you if you go back to our Twitch channel and watch some of the VODs and see Serge on there he is The When when I started buying streaming gear to stream the Arizona State Championship, you know the one that just happened. I think it was in January
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    He was like oh, you know, I want to I want to you know, do the commentary when I was like sure Yeah, you can do it. I was like he's you know, highly intelligent We did not expect this so you didn't know that he was gonna come on and just destroy it to be awesome Nobody had a clue. He's unbelievable. He's good fan expiration date and you can even go back out i've been watching it because I'm learning stuff about came 7246 momentary within the mall right does not get knockedout pretty didn't win Mikey It's just amazing and he has a almost a photographic memory of rules. Yeah. And he'll know. And you can see that on the podcast. He'll like hone in. Yeah. He'll like hone in and be like, okay, I'm gonna make this up, but whatever. He'll be like, okay, he's got that light locked. He spelled this. He'd be like, if I was playing, this would be my next move. And like, usually, he can almost predict because that especially if he knows the player knows the game. He'll be like, this is what I would do. And sure enough, like they'll do that thing, you know, it's just he knows the games like I don't know, I'm fascinated by someone that can process and keep all that stuff in their brain because I... It still blows my mind. I can't wait to sit with him and when you watch this, I'll already be sitting with him so... Right. Check that out on VOD on Demand on the Electric Bats Twitch channel and then also check out Retro Ralph live and at Retro Ralph... Oh, jeez. ...at the flip side. What am I doing? What have you got? There's two channels. All right, well, let's talk about it. There's Retro Ralph on YouTube and that has produced content. Okay. And sometimes pinball livestreaming. And then Retro Ralph Live is the Flipside podcast. The reason why I didn't rename the channel the Flipside podcast is because I did it temporarily and SEO on that sucks because it was, no one knows what the flipside is. There was other things called the flipside. So by putting Retro Ralph in it, if you type Retro Ralph, you're gonna automatically get both. So it just, it just made sense. I did try changing it for a while, it just didn't work from like a search engine optimization standpoint. So riveting. Yeah, you like that huh? Yes, I love that. It's friggin awesome. And of course, at the Electric Bat on all the socials. Instagram, Facebook, TikTok. The gram. Yeah, we're on TikTok. You on Blue Sky?
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    No. Okay. No, no. And not for any reason. Not for any reason. I just, man, I've got a lot going on. I don't even know what that is. So, um, is that chamomile? And, uh, what else are we on? Twitch.tv slash ElectricBadArcade. It's a lot of fun. And, uh, we- And check out your Discord channel. Oh, get people on your Discord. I like your Discord, yeah. We play, we use it to chat on COD. On COD. Yep. And, uh, Rachel and I are doing another episode of the Electric Badcast. We have a podcast. Yes, you do. And we are, um, doing that on Monday. Awesome! Sweet. So you will have something to listen to on your flight home. My absolute favorite podcast, Twippy AwardWinner. Twippy AwardWinner, right? And you've already found me, so you're here. Undefeated Twippy AwardWinner. Oh yeah, it's your first. Yeah, undefeated. What do you think? I think, again, thank you Pinball, I appreciate the sponsorship, we're very excited to be joined with you and working with you in the future. And we're gonna maybe end it sometime. Yeah, I think that's enough. We're gonna end this? Yeah, that's enough. That's enough. Let's go play. Let's go play D&D. Okay, let's go do it. Thanks everybody. Thank you so much. Thank you. We'll see you on the flip side. Did we say that? No, that's his. That's what I say. That's what his says. Oh man. That's good. You guys are all messed up. Go to retro, get retro chamomile. It's exceed retro sprouts. I'm out. Bye. The end. Thank you for watching. Please subscribe to my channel and give me a thumbs up. I will see you in the next video. Bye-bye. Bye-Bye.