Hey, hey, hey Hello and welcome to episode 65 of the Classic Pinball Podcast. My name is George and this episode is a continuation of the conversation we started with Tommy Skinner. Unfortunately, I was unable to connect back into the Zoom meeting and told them to march on. There was a little bit of behind-the-scenes talk about me, which I've included in this podcast. So sit back, grab your favorite beverage, and listen to me getting thrown under the bus. But I get a little bit of vengeance. George is, you know, as George says, he's old. Oh, I get it. He gives himself shows, so that's fine. Yeah, you gotta give each other shows. It makes for a good show. Exactly. I'm getting confused, you know. Maybe I'm old. Wait a minute. I know what's going on here. You've all become idiots. You have a little bit of time, or what's your schedule like? No, you're fine. My girlfriend's still at soccer practice for another hour, roughly. Okay. We're going to go grab dinner when she gets home. I don't get anything else tonight except I was maybe going to repin some connectors. You know, exciting life. That's exciting. I do that for something fun to do myself. Yeah. I wish it was more fun. Oh, man, I hate that stuff. It feels so good when you're done, but, man, it's a tedious process. Do you use the ratcheting crimper? Yeah. Yeah. I like that one. The first game I ever did, I did every connector on a Sea Witch I had years ago. Oh, boy. Back before I had good tools by any means. I literally did the whole thing with needle nose pliers. Oh, it was awful. Oh, needle nose pliers. Yeah. Yep. Oh, it was not good. I mean, it worked. I did it all. But, man, was it just pain in the ass. My fingers were so sore. while he's waiting to come in uh so how many playfield swaps is this for you four or you have more i think so i'm trying to kind of remember um yeah i think that's four and then i'm getting ready to do a another stargazer and a cheetah well so these are cprs now um cheetah is cpr stargazer is great witch uh out of canada oh yeah um i'm still waiting i'm actually doing two two more stargazers i sold that first one i did and then another guy who wanted to buy that one just hired me to build him one as well so what's your base what's your base what's your base stargazer what are you what are you using for a stargazer then to start out with my first one was a stern pinball the one that i i did and sold already the one i'm doing for the the guy who lives in he's in Nevada I think I'm doing a meteor and then I plan to do another one for myself because I'm making decent money on the one that I'm building um I basically enough to pay for most of my parts for another one at least um out of a uh what did I pick up electronimo okay yeah sure and why not yeah i was i got i found it really cheap so i was like it wasn't originally planning to do another one for myself but cruiseman still had a play field available um of stargazer and i think i paid 100 or 125 for the electronimo so i was like yep we'll convert that. You there, Tommy? Who is Tommy? Where is Tommy? We have George. We have Tommy. Yeah, sorry, you cut out. Yeah. Yeah. I heard you asking about my process, but then you cut out. Yeah, it sounded all garbled. Do it again, Dave. Okay. I was going to ask you about your process. I know you've done a couple of these conversions. and stable. That's weird. A couple of these conversions, like taking an old early stirring game like pinball and like Tronimo that aren't as desirable as like a stargazer and those nice stirrings that people are collecting these days. And I just want to see your process on painting cabs. Do you send that out? Someone does it for you or you do that yourself? Dave, hey Dave Dave, something's wrong with the connection Really bad Alright, maybe I'll re Maybe I'll redo this meeting again Should I try that or what? I think it's something with Zoom Yeah, I say let's give that a shot Because it's breaking up pretty bad It's really a bad connection Alright, I'll leave this one And try another one Yeah, I'll send you a new meeting Hello And we're both here. George says, not let me in. You finish it. It's like, okay, well, I can do that. But I said, George, try one more time, George. I just sent you a latest one. Try it again. If you didn't hang in there, we can just, you and I can dance. So that's fine. Yeah. We're waiting for him or even if he comes in or not. What were we talking about? Oh, yeah. Cabinets and repainting and so forth. So that's something you do in-house? you send out no i do it in-house it's the bane of my existence oh i you know i i feel i feel for you because i like yeah i i send that stuff out to a guy and there's a really nice job and because for me i'm i'm ultra picky about that stuff and i just know it'd take me i don't know way too much time to get it done right because you can tell the really good repaints are for me anyway i go down and feel the edges of the paint on the game do i feel any edge or do i don't feel an edge because I want to like originality. You don't feel an edge from, you know, paint, you know, different color paints. And the guy I was, you know, doing before I think he's going to retire soon. He would do the repaint, use a pinball, pin stencils, and then he'd do I do very not too heavy either. Very light, but but enough enough to get color. He'd throw in some matte clear over the whole thing a little bit and buff that down a little bit. And that gave it so that you wouldn't feel an edge. Yeah, no, I don't do that. I actually like feeling the edge. Okay. Okay. But I've also done a lot of my stuff to where it's not, I intend for mine to look not original. Like I did my stargazer with a metallic blue paint. So it had like a sparkle to it. Okay. I did not speckle the cabinet on Bolton because I don't like speckled cabinets. I think it looks messy and it was used to cover up factory errors to begin with. It was a design thing. so i think i wanted the white to be bright white and crisp like that was my full intention i i agree with you on that one that bugs me too about some ballet stuff and they kind of hit or miss back in the day it's kind of a leftover from the 70s where they wanted to cover up again factory defects and give it some pre-dirt before it's yeah exactly it's like kind of perfect it's that's okay it was just part of this or that it's kind of like you know buying a pair of worn out jeans that are all the fashion or buy a pair brand new jeans that have no pre-wear in them you know it's like it's almost like that but i i agree i the speckled stuff from ballet is like this brown speckle or gold speckle it just looked dirty when i do uh gonna repaint done um i would just do i'd have him do the white as well like i we just did a uh he's done a superman cab for me a rolling stones especially of the Rolling Stones I know, I have original Rolling Stones I'm doing for a customer, and their paint's really nice, original, but I'm looking at that one versus the one I had done by my buddy, and my buddy's is a lot cleaner looking. It's like, why is it so clean? Oh, there's no speckle. And I'm looking at the old one, it's like, I prefer the cleaner white on there. It just looks clean. So, yeah, I agree. I like originality to a point, but sometimes if you can improve upon it, you know, there's definitely a case to be made for that you know probably part of the originality if you can kind of because i like doing with with my restorations as well as optimization of things you know oh yeah like i i agree that leds don't always look as great but if i'm putting a game on location and it's going to be on i want leds in there like i left my viking incandescent because it's on for an hour at most when i'm at home playing it it's going to be okay right but i'm putting on 12 hours a day like yeah i'm gonna put leds in it for the benefit of the machine yeah you're gonna be you know um if you're gonna be having a game on location like you said it's gonna be on 24 7 all that light burning and heat you know bad for everything bad for artwork bad for electronics and that stuff so yeah led is the way to go i what i have been doing because i was you know for the longest time when leds are first coming out i definitely was not a fan i was not a fan of just the Zac Stark bluish white color from the LEDs and they're kind of cheap looking and just kind of they just kind of for me they I didn't they didn't compliment the game this is like when they first were making them first were coming out several years ago and then I waited until until Comet came out with these the warm retro and I said okay these are getting more towards I can I'm considering these now in some aspect so what I've been doing now uh on most of the games new and old is i've been going putting them in the in the gi so for the gi circuit and all these games where the bulbs are kind of hidden underneath plastics and so forth i want some some decent light but i want i don't want that blue Zac Stark white i want like the warm a little bit yellow to it a little bit to be original i'll put them all in the gi and then i definitely will i still go incandescent on the uh on the feature lights on the inserts i still do that um because the reason being for me is i i like that nice decay of uh incandescent on and off versus a Zac Stark one zero of a uh of a diode of an led you know for the for the feature lights so i do a hybrid i don't know if i'm one of the few that does that i don't know i think most people just do the whole conversion led and call it done or that's how my that's how i have my viking the inserts are still incandescent and my uh my harlem too yeah those ones i only changed out the gi to leds because and you've probably seen this too because i think some people you know either restores haven't been around for a while or just like fix it guys whatever they won't clean the insert underneath they'll just put a super bright led and punch through the dirt you know all you do is you just clean off that under the insert really well put a regular light there it's plenty bright it looks great you know with a nice you know a nice uh socket or a redone socket a brand new socket and you're good to go you know so well that's cool we do the same thing there that's awesome that's awesome the um oh what's it gonna do the uh the voltan let's back to your back to your voltan resto yeah i was looking at the laundry list of all your uh all the stuff you put into it that's like quite a uh quite a bill of materials there yeah i mean it was essentially like i i think the only original thing really in it ended up being the the coin door and i still used a new Coindor skin on it. So, I guess the backside of the Coindor was still original. And then the wiring harness and the transformer. Everything else was pretty much new. I mean, yeah, there was not much reuse in that game. But that was partially because the original was just in such bad, rough shape. it would have been almost impossible to use things from it did you since it was in a barn you have the whole mouse nest stuff and all that kind of thing to deal with too or no oh it was disgusting yeah like it literally just reeked um it was uh i think january when i picked that up last year i know it was below freezing for sure and we still drove with the windows down in the car to get it home wow yeah i a friend of mine did a resto recently on a game similar game so his brother brought it to him didn't take care of it at all he was in a wet basement with a flood and blah blah blah but he got it in his house and it's like what the why this smells bad he looked inside the cabinet just like white and black mold growing and fuzzy all underneath the the floor of the cabinet and so he basically put in a whole hazmat suit just vacuumed all that fuzz out of there and then dumped a couple boxes of baking soda on it let that sit for like a week and then surprisingly it actually cured it all no more stink it actually got rid of all the moldy stuff and it worked out that method he did so I don't know what did you kind of do the same kind of thing or replace wood or how'd you get rid of the stink I actually ended up using a completely separate cabinet so this was um i still have the original ball 10 cabinet sitting in my storage unit for some reason right now i should really just throw it out but i do plan to take the coin door from it that's about the only reason it's still sitting there um a friend of mine in indianapolis was selling a law valley lost world um that was literally just sitting in a arcade as window decoration because it had been completely stripped of parts so I was able to get that and it still needed you know woodwork repair and obviously needed to be sanded and repainted but it didn't smell like it had been housing rodents which was my number one priority so yeah I it was actually a different cabinet um than the original Voltan as well. And I, for the first time too, all the previous cabinets I've done, I think it was my fourth playfield swap of my fifth cabinet. No, it would have been my fourth cabinet. Cause I didn't do the cabinet on staple. I only did the playfield, but I've always just sanded everything down for the artwork. And this is the first one where I stripped all the paint using acetone and I will be doing that from now on in the future. It is way easier. okay so with the acetone though you get it are you putting gloves on and stuff for that stuff or that's not good for your uh uh i assume it's not yeah i did put on gloves so uh but it was uh i mean it didn't sound too crazy harmful from reading the uh the instructions on the can and it's also one of those things where it's not like i'm doing this as a full-time job i'm not stripping a cabinet every day it was literally a couple hours of one day and i probably won't do it again until next year so i don't think i'll have a whole lot of overexposure but yeah i did still wear a mask i still did wear a glove had on sweatpants and long sleeves so i was trying to be as careful as i could be you know because i heard also the paint from that time frame could have leaden it too i would assume so yeah i'm assuming sanding it was every bit as dangerous as uh using the acetone right because even with a mask on that dust just gets everywhere so yeah this was uh and i still end up sanding the wood but as far as like that paint with the lead in there is uh that's some tough paint to stand it is paint used to be very durable yeah that that's why you know back in the day when they painted with that lead paint they didn't have to really go too heavy on it's why there was no you didn't feel an edge because they just equipped you know throw down a big brass plate clank spray move it on next guy throw it down spray and then out it goes without even you know even thinking about it So there was so much pigment in that paint for whatever reason they didn't have to really lay it on thick. Yeah. You know, and what did you do about that? About, did you, do you like the crisp lines? Or you like the little original overspray kind of stuff? No, I like the crisp lines. Yeah. That's why I like the look of it. I like the feel of it. I like it to obviously look like a brand new painted cabinet. I don't want someone to be like, oh, wow, is that just a really nice original? That's never like the intent I'm looking for. I want them to look like, oh, wow, someone spent a lot of time. Not that the other one doesn't mean you spent a lot of time. It means you spent even more time probably. I want mine to just be visually apparent right away. Gotcha. Gotcha. That's why they make chocolate and vanilla. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and that's, you know, I've said that about stuff when I have restored it and gone to sell it. It was, I restored it to what I wanted and I am selling it. And if you don't want it, that's okay. You don't have to buy it, that sort of thing. That's the Stargazer that I'm going to be building for someone, which is this is the first game I've been hired to do this on, which just sounds weird in my head still. And we have to wait on a wire harness from Sean at Third Coast, who's currently going through the process of moving. So all of his stuff is delayed, which is no big deal. But and, you know, the guy who's having it built being super understanding about everything. But it's just weird when it's not something that I'm doing for myself. I am, you know, much more stressed about it because I want this person to be very happy with it. And I was like, well, you know, the first one I did, I used this metallic paint and I changed this. And I, you know, I did white and white displays so I could alter them to be a different color if I wanted. You know, what do you want yours to be? I used clear clear posts instead of blue posts like an original. And he's like, oh, well, I trust you. And I'm like, well, yeah, I get that. You trust me. That's why you hired me. But it's your game. So I want to build this to what you want. You know, let me know. So it's good that I've been given the flexibility to kind of do what I think is best. But at the same time, you know, if I'm paying someone to do something for me, I want to be able to tell them what I want. that's kind of how I view the right as the customer. So we'll get it all settled out as the process goes on. And again, this is Stargazer or which game is this you're talking about? Yeah. Stargazer is the one that I've been hired to build. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Speaking of the Stern stuff is I had a beautiful, you know, cheetah that I got. Oh, I've got a couple of them. I've watched your YouTube videos. Don't worry. Oh, okay. Cool. yeah i've got the cheetah sitting in my garage that i still haven't touched yet and i've watched your videos on cheetah several times oh awesome awesome yeah so you you heard about the whole finding that thing on ebay i think it's ebay years ago when i didn't have even have a cheetah i don't know if i could set it in the youtube channel if i did or not but i didn't have a cheetah but i saw the thing on youtube on ebay it was like i don't know 150 bucks for a new old stock cheetah playfield and this before people even knew what the cheetah was they go okay that's mine i'll take that you know uh-huh and then uh sent out to my buddy bill davis to clear it and then just waited for the cheetah to come you know cross my path and that happened a couple couple years later and boom made a nice one then that uh that eventually wound up with uh rob burke bought that from me a couple years back oh yeah yeah so i i oh and that's so um so you must know about the prototype roms and the sound and so forth like you heard me talk about that that was a game changer. Uh, I, my cheetah in the garage is actually a blue cabinet prototype cheetah. Cool. Good, good. I, I assuming it has those ROMs because it's, it's number 80 on the serial number. Um, awesome. I literally got this delivered like two months ago and I still have not opened it yet because I have the new play field. I'm kind of in the process of letting it cure. And then the process of school started up. So I've just been incredibly busy. And when I come home, I want to just sleep and not work on a game. So I will not work on any more games than I have to with keeping my 25 machines on location going. So I haven't been highly motivated to open this thing yet. But it's getting to the point now where I'm like, oh, wrestling is coming up. I kind of want to do this before wrestling season. So I've got like a month that I need to do this in. For school, so refresh your memory. So you're a wrestling coach? Yeah, I coach wrestling. and then I taught social studies for my first seven years. And now for the last seven years, I've been the director of our alternative learning center. So I work with like at-risk kids, mostly seniors that are not on track to graduate. I'm in the school, I'm in the building and my classroom is a computer lab and the kids are doing classes online, but I'm there with them to help them be them basically. Sure, it must be tough to keep them not distracted by having whatever handheld device they got on them. Yeah, considering our school gives them all iPads, and then we're in a computer lab, and most of them have their own cell phone. It is screen overload and distraction overload, and it can be frustrating for sure. I've heard some teachers now, again, this will be in-person class, but some teachers say, okay, when you come in the room, all your phones, I'll take all those in a big bucket, please, and you don't have them on you. The kids can't use them, and you get them at the end of class. I've heard some teachers do that. Yeah, we have that in our school. It works to some degree. To some degree, it doesn't. Interesting. Yeah, it's a different generation with that stuff. Yeah, it's just learning has changed, and the system can't adapt as fast as society has. It was very easy for a teacher to tell me something and have me listen because that was my access to that information. The reality is I'm no longer the access to the information for a kid. So the things I really need to teach them are critical thinking skills, how to find good information and stuff like that. But the reality is state standards and classes aren't set up for that now. So it's one of those, you know, I just crack up when I'm a relatively young teacher in my mid 30s compared to a lot of the other teachers. And, you know, my mindset is if I don't know how to do something, let's say with restoring a pinball machine, what's the first thing I do? I Google it and I find an answer. I find someone who's done it. So for teachers to tell these kids they're going to need to know these things, this, that and the other. I just it's really hard for me to support that because the reality is they don't need to know it. They need to know how to find it, how to find it. Yeah. Yeah. That's the reality. What they need to know is how to be a responsible person who shows up on time and a courteous person who treats others well. And those are just not classes that we have in school because for years those didn't need to be priorities or you were supposed to learn those things at home before you ever came to school. So there, you know, those are societal changes where one parent tended to be home with the kids. And now we're very much of the generation where both parents have to work to support families. So things like all sorts of issues, but just a lot of things have changed in society. And we're not the best adapted to quickly change like that. Things like like like you said, critical thinking skills, you know, wonderful. that's that's that'll serve them through all their life that stuff uh life skills like how to balance a checkbook and how to uh of course you know all this stuff so you don't really the value of money and how you know what is money and that kind of stuff and all these things that aren't really um oh another thing like a physical education class which never got taught to me as a kid and i don't think it still is today is uh how to lift properly so you don't wreck your back oh yeah they have they've got those classes now yeah they've got weight training and okay all sorts of those things uh that's good yeah but wish i did just yeah absolutely because these these games are getting lighter and i'm not getting younger so no no kidding i uh i recently ordered one of the uh multimorphic p3 games and i think i read that they're 360 or 380 pounds yeah there's a lot of metal in those things it's like yeah yeah curious to see how that is to move when that shows up in a few weeks wow well what now what made you want to buy that um i have enjoyed it every time i've played it um dating back so i want to say like 2012 or 2013 i know jerry had one at expo with a very early lexi light speed um i found it very interesting um they had it set up they were running a tournament on it it was a one ball tournament and the way they had it set up was both flippers could be controlled from one side of the machine um each side of the game has three flipper buttons so you can program it so like yellow fires the left flipper and red fires the right flip or something like that i can't remember exactly how it was set up at that time but that was how you had to play it was with one hand and me working with kids with disabilities that kind of intrigued me as a sort of giving them access to something that would have been very difficult to play before for them uh and i have several kids who only have function in one arm so that just intrigued me i thought it was neat that a manufacturer took that sort of thing into consideration made it a possibility um and then i really fell in love with it when they released the cosmic kart racing at texas pinball festival one year and i went back the next year and i still really enjoyed playing that um but the thing that always kept me away was there's a very high barrier to cost entry, barrier to entry cost for the P3. It's a more expensive machine. And the reality is I don't tend to put really expensive machines in my house and I'm out of space. So when I'm buying new stuff, I'm doing it from with my operator mindset and putting it on location. And it was just hard to justify that cost and not knowing how successful the non-traditional pinball machine would be, and them not having a license theme that is just reality, licenses are better. That's why companies have largely produced them. So some things have changed, obviously. Prices have continued to go up from basically every other manufacturer, and their pricing has remained about the same so just cost wise it's become more of a balanced option and they've made more things uh available with the release of the heist play field cannon lagoon play field uh cosmic kart racing lexi light speed and now they will be releasing their first licensed uh game with its own new modular play field. I ordered mine just about a month ago and was told 12 to 16 weeks, and I was told by them the license would be available so I could have it shipped with mine. So I don't know what it is. Jerry's been super secretive about it, but that makes me excited as well. So I not only at this point have I run out of location at home, but I've also run out of location in my garage, in my shed, in my storage unit, and at my location. So the P3 seems like a really good option of how I can get more games into a limited amount of space now, too. There was a lot of reasons that kind of worked together that made it like the perfect storm. And that's actually what I, when I sold the Volton Escaped Cosmic Doom, that is where that money was going, was into the P3 system. You're preaching to the choir with the room situation, having room, because I kind of lost count of the games I had, but I last counted around 60 or so or 70. yeah yeah you you gotta be out of room yeah i have a i have a mod we have a modest house you know an open mansion you know um and i even have storage i got 20 games across the street and heated storage climate controlled and but you know but then again it's it's my biz too it's all i do now is this is this restoration business i got rid of the corporate gig uh about a year and a half ago and so now it's like i was doing both of them in parallel working about 80 hours a week total and everything and then it just got too much and i said i'm successful enough now after doing this since the you know early 90s that now it's totally you know it runs itself kind of you know the business business keeps coming in all the time at a regular basis so uh i just keep getting games people keep customers keep calling hey i have this game i'm moving you know i it's like well i can't offer you a top dollar i can offer you can get more money than i'm going to offer you but i'm not going to you know case the joint like some weirdo might so you know yeah so usually it works usually i get it for a decent price where i can kind of do my thing with it and make my piece and uh come up with a nice game and it all works out but i i tell you the with two games go out three or four come in you know it's kind of like that yep i uh i 100 know exactly what you mean because every time i sell something for good money i find all these like cheap projects again And then I'm like, well, I can't remember the one. I can buy three projects now. And speaking of projects, I got a call from this guy who had, he had a Bally bow and arrow and a Gottlieb Spirit of 76. Two decent pins, you know, EMs. But, you know, I said, well, I can't really offer you much. You know, he said they were in a barn or something or a garage for years. And so, you know, I got pictures. they were dirty so i mean so you know all i can really do i really i don't really want them i'll give you 100 bucks a piece for them i thought he'd just say no he said i said oh come and get them says okay oh geez you know so look at i go there's a tarp over them they're outside and it's like then i then i see the playfield glass this various everything's all broken it's like smashed and there's a mouse nest in it and it's like oh do i really want this crap you know so i kind of It was like an hour and a half ride up. They had George meet me. So George brought his car. So we got both games out of there, paid the guy. And it's like, okay, I'll just store them. Now I have really no room. Now I'm like, can't work in my tech area. I'm like, can't even walk in there. It's like, I just want to clean them quick and make a quick buck on them, a quick flip. I'm not usually a flipper. I usually am a restorer. But for these, I was thinking just flipping them. Because, you know, even if I do my whole thing with them, what can I really get for this stuff? You know, I can't get megabucks for them. So, you know, my time is better. It's not worth it. Yeah, better spent elsewhere. So just make a quick couple bucks and someone else can take the project. Well, before I could even do that, the guy emailed me and said, hey, buddy, I need those games back. It's like, this is the first thing I ever, really? And he said, they're not mine. My uncle had them and he's pissed off. It's like, okay, dude, I'll pay you what you have into them. So I wasn't going to totally be a jerk. But I definitely want to make up for my time for going up an hour there, an hour back, working on them. Oh, yeah. I'm cleaning it up, putting a couple of locks in it. They say, well, you know, give me 400 bucks. Come get them and I'll have them. I'll store them. You know, well, you can only get them next week. Fine. I'll store them for you, too. I'll store them. So give me I gave you to give me 400 bucks back cash and you can have them back. You know, so he did. He came back, got him and he's a nice guy. But it was that was the weirdest freaking thing ever. But thank God he got him because I really didn't want him anyway. because right on the heels of that someone was offering me a killer deal on an eight ball deluxe that i really had no room for but now i have room for that so i've made a great trade eight bucks for those two ems sure thing price is really good too so yeah it's it's cool being in this for so long and just these deals come across you especially when you have it upon this volt and i've never played one of these nor seen one of these in uh in person i've just seen pictures on on uh ipvd uh but i'm looking right now the picture that you did is gorgeous i mean especially you did the uh you did clear posts you get clear rubber on there uh yeah i i really like that just i think it helps light up these older games so much better yeah that's uh just the reality they don't have a ton of gi in them so right you can use those clear posts and they clear rubbers it really does let a lot more light through and these are all like the belly ribbed style but they're clear yeah yeah i do like to use the correct style of post on the games uh when i did stargazer i used clear as well but i used the faceted posts to match the old stern style okay and when you do uh your stand-ups i see you at the white stand-ups you actually buy the whole switch or you just kind of changed out you cleaned it up and changed out just no i put in brand new stand-ups on this one. I reused the rollover switches for up top. But, yeah. Brand new stand-ups on this one because the other ones were disgusting. Pop bumpers were brand new. Everything except for the under the playfield bracket. Those were all polished and tumbled and everything I could do to those my spinners were brand new my spinner switches were brand new But the spinner bracket was actually reused because I didn have well they honestly weren that bad I put them in a little evaporust and tumbled them and polished them and they turned out fine. So those were original. I think you did some creative license with the spinners. I did, yeah. I took the playfield artwork and I basically, you know, the female and the male character on separate sides of the playfield near the spinners. And I just sort of isolated those and I had them printed on holographic decals and attached them to the spinners. So they tie it into the character they were by on the playfield. Nice. Yeah, those turned out really good. It was funny. I actually had a couple other people who own Bolton's who saw my for sale ad reach out and ask me if they could have a sec. I got I think I got like 20 of each one of them printed when I did it. I figured in case anything ever got damaged, I might as well have them spares for the game. And I did want to point out or talk to you about on the game is. So if you're looking at a picture of the back glass, you clearly have Bolton, at least who I think is Bolton, carrying a girl and they appear to be flying away from a burning city which i think is chicago um if you look kind of closely at it that makes sense yeah it makes sense um what i never really noticed or like thought about is if you look to the top left of the back glass there's another hand reaching down and yeah i just noticed that guy yes so that's what i'm like wait is that Volton? Is Volton pulling these people off of this planet? Or is the main guy in the middle Volton? Like, it's really confusing. Well, you know what though? It looks like the main guy in the middle is Volton because he's got a big V-shaped thing. Yeah, that's what I'm looking at right now. But then whose hand is that? And why is it there? It's some hairy-ass dude. Yeah, and he's got a ring on the finger. That character is not depicted anywhere else on the play field so i i'm interested and really what sold me on the artwork to be completely honest is that right by the flippers you have two uh skeletons wearing like military jackets drinking blood from a cup oh yeah and i just i just think the artwork on there is amazing i don't know you know what it's that's you know it's mad dog christiansen you know yeah that's right i'm zooming in on the ring right now it's a blue square with a red circle in it and like a cross or an x through the circle so i don't know what the symbolism is there uh but yeah that's what's on the ring because you know what he he's into he's into some really occult crap you know he was really yeah that's what i've i've heard so i'm kind of curious as to what that would be um i did see some sort of interview he he did or commentary on the game at one point and he was basically like frustrated working at ballet at this point and i think that's why he had the depiction of the person leaving the city on fire like he wanted to leave ballet at this point hey you know um i started again i i think i remember reading that somewhere and then i suspect when i posted this for sale i posted it to pin side as well as to you know all the regular Facebook groups and marketplace and stuff. And somebody who I'm assuming is related in some way, shape or form to Dave Christensen. Cause it was Keith Christensen contacted me and said, Hey, I actually have the prototype artwork for that hanging in my game room. And he sent me photos of the prototype of the original back glass artwork. And it was really neat to see that. Is that something you can get? Were you tempted to get that made up for you by the, by the guy? No, I just wanted just to see it. When he said he had it, I said, hey, I'd like to see a picture if you have it. And it was actually done in a circle instead of a square. Okay. I mean, it looks incredibly similar. It's just watercolored, I think, or done in marker. I'll send it over to you so you can check it out. Sure. Yeah, it was neat to see. I was checking out since you – I never heard of this guy. What's his name? Kuz? That's the guy's name? Yeah. Yeah. I never heard of him before, but I started looking through all the backlinks. I was like, wow, what a treasure trove. He saved so many things. And like I said, if you contact him and email with him, obviously English is not his first language, but he's very fluent. Basically, as long as you're willing to buy it, he seems to be willing to work with you on doing something. So there's really no prices there. It's kind of like you just talk to him what his prices are. Yeah, it's been all over the board, but I'd say roughly like $450 to $480 total, including the shipping. And his packaging is amazing for everything that he has shipped to me. So that's why you say you're better off getting two because you'll... Yeah, you'll save some money on the shipping. Okay. And would you say the quality is really close to Newell stock or is it a little bit... I will send you a picture, but I took a photo of my new old stock Viking back glass sitting directly next to the mirrored version that I got from Coos. And the colors were like such a perfect match. It blew my mind. Wow. It was really impressive. Yeah. And even in the game lit up, it looks good too, like that with the lights behind it? Yep. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Wow. That's great. Yeah. I don't fully understand his process. It definitely looks a little different from the backside than other prints I've seen. But I was I'm very impressed with it. Is the backside one big kind of white layer? Is it a big black layer? No, it's like it's like colored. It's it's interesting. OK, it doesn't have like the silver layer like you would usually see on another back glass. It's almost like a faded version of what the front looks like. Okay. It's interesting. But the light blocks look really good, you know, where you got your player numbers, your ball counts, all that stuff coming through. It all shows up and matches the originals. Well, thanks for that. You just responsible for me just spending even more money now on this stuff. So appreciate that. Yeah. Well, I've done the same. Yeah, I just started looking at that stuff. Oh, here we go. Cool. Oh, I see right now. Did that come through? That was the prototype artwork. That's great. Yeah, it was neat to see that and how that would have gotten converted. But I wasn't sure if that would work. I'll try to find the back glass pictures for you later. I know they're further back in my phone, but I knew right where that one was. That's awesome. What a find. That's great. Great to have that. Yeah, I thought that was really cool that it was saved there as well. And as you can see on the prototype image that I sent you, you see the white kind of like splash or whatever explosion around where the hands are connecting and around the outlines of the bodies. That was what I had converted to mirroring on the back glass. Makes sense. As well as in the final back glass, instead of just being like a sunset in the sky, it's a lightning storm. And I had all the lightning converted to mirroring as well. It looks like the lightning bolt is a lot more prominent on this than the regular back glass. I think so. Yeah, I can't remember directly, but I know there was a bunch of small ones on the. There is I think there are the big ones, but then, yeah, the big ones I left is yellow on the back glass, but I had all the small lightning in the background converted to mirror. Because the yellow matches the play field and then there's a bunch of like smaller lightning bolts in the background of the sky. so does so does kuz do he does a lot of uh mirroring but sometimes you say hey i want this back glass can you do it in mirroring it's something that you would actually have to go create and send it to him or something he does for you we just kind of work together like i told him what i wanted and he mocked up some prototypes um i also just actually just redid stargazer that's why i have all those back glasses in my living room uh he let me go through and design a mirrored stargazer since this guy was hiring me to build one and I told him I had just done this vault and then I sent him pictures of it I asked if he'd want me to contact Coos about doing a mirrored one and he did and then since I knew so many people were were and are building scratch stargazers and you know when people see that you finished one they kind of start contacting you and asking questions so I just put out there like hey I'm doing another one I'm getting this back glass made does anybody else want one i ended up ordering i think it was eight or ten of them wow so yeah that's why i've got all these boxes sitting here and people are picking them up at expo so fantastic gonna be a bunch of bunch of mirrored stargazer back glasses going out now that's great yeah i because i have a nice original new old stock one in my stargazer and uh i wonder how that would look with the the mirror you get me curious now i like to see uh does he have it on his site he he i don't know if he edited or not i can uh i definitely have pictures of it because i did open one of the boxes already um but i basically did like the word stargazer and then all of the um all the constellations in the background like he can do really fine mirroring so it uh turned out really good nice nice yeah i i i bought a uh a funhouse one for my wife's funhouse I did for her years ago and I decided to get the real back glass you know with mirroring from CPR and I thought it was gonna be the real mirroring and I got it back it's like well this is nice but it's not what I thought you know I wanted like a mirror so I was kind of like but now that you know not even get real mirroring now now I'm thinking well should I get that I don't know I might just let it go and for next like I'm doing an eight ball deluxe restore right now and the back glass on it is is nice but it's got a little bit of flaking so this might be something and I should get his 8-ball deluxe back glass. If it has, I would assume if it comes with mirroring from the original, he's going to do the original mirroring too, right? Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, the original stuff just like it comes that way. Okay. I've just been adding it to things that I wanted it added to. But that's one of those things where it's like if you're going to spend the money on it when I look at it compared to what CPR's mirroring looks like. And again, I'm glad CPR. Oh, same here. Yeah, I'm glad they do everything they do, and I appreciate it. But this is just one product where if you really like the mirroring, to me, it's worth the extra money. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. They do a great job and a great service for, you know, they definitely fill the need out there. They do awesome stuff, you know. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've been buying. I got a, I don't know. I bought a bunch of playfields from Kevin. I still have a whole stack of them. So I'd have to get through one of these times soon. Oh, there we go. Yeah. Oh, yeah. All those constellations, instead of being white ink, they're all mirrored. OK. That's neat. And I got the sword edges are mirrored. Yeah, it turned out really good. Yeah. Wow. Well, I'm going to order one of those. I don't know. Yeah, that's what I look at it. I'm like, man, I like the mirroring. I'm going to go. If I'm going to do it, I might as well do everything. And I wasn't sure he'd be able to do the constellations because it seemed like such small amounts of white ink to me. But he said it was no problem. Wow. That's great that somebody does that up there. It's great these days. Years ago, you didn't have any of this stuff. You had to go do your own thing. And now it's such little cottage industries on everything you want for these things. It's amazing the stuff you can find. Oh, yeah. I mean, even the classic term, the old plastic pot bumpers, you can get off of Shapeways now because Swinster designed them and they're on there to be 3D printed. And it's just, yeah, there's a lot of different people that have contributed to keeping these machines alive. And it's really nice. I've always wanted to do a homebrew game or a re-theme. And I just forgot about it until I just walked into my spare bedroom here to look at my pinball parts stash. I forgot, I just bought a Whitewood Stargazer playfield from some guy in South America that's already been sanded down. And I've got that that I want to work on a re-theme. Not that I don't like Stargazer, but I was like, hey, I already know how to work on this game. And here's a playfield that was cheap and it's already sanded down so I can redo the art however I want. Yeah, why not? Yeah, that's kind of something I've got in the works for the future. So we'll see what happens with that. That's great. Oh, George chimed in. He wanted me to ask you about artwork-wise. Do you like Fathom or Volton artwork better? Fathom. Yeah, Fathom's just my favorite. So I love the ocean. So the theme works better as far as the art goes. But like I said, those skulls on Volton are drinking the blood. It's very neat, but very different. Although I guess the mermaids are murdering a scuba diver, and it's a pretty violent depiction. it's done in a very pretty way on fathoms it's very pretty if you gotta go it's a good way to go oh yeah absolutely um so yeah it doesn't quite live up to fathoms artwork for me but uh uh it's it's up there and i think in that that obviously it's still going to be almost impossible or very difficult for people to find a vault and to go and play um if you encounter one give it a chance or check out the stream that i did i posted the video it's on our youtube channel this podcast the the gameplay is a lot better than i thought it would be and a lot better than i think people give it credit for i think the scoring was incredibly balanced and it gave you kind of multiple ways to get there through collecting your planets and building up your bonus and multiplying it or trying to light a spinner and you know getting a couple good spinner rips in there but the scoring was very balanced either way you took which i think would make for a good competitive game but you know not the most fun machine back in 1979 walking into location uh being difficult to understand what was going on so i think that was just kind of what hurt it i was reading about it too and they had about 300 or so on location at uh oh what were they called the latin's castles yeah that one yeah and so that was the uh the The very first thing I checked when I picked it up was to see if it had the rare prototype soundboard. It did not. So no, that's a no? Nope, it was a no. There's supposedly four to six of them out there that ever had it from what the Bally employee could remember who had installed them on location. And this one, since it was coming from Ohio, not the Chicago area, I figured that, you know, it's still the Midwest. It easily could have traveled from Chicago to there, but I didn't have a ton of faith in it. And, you know, I just ended up being the regular soundboard. And it's that era of, like, Dolly Parton and Harlem where the sounds are all the same. They just kind of play them in different orders and sequences. They sound a little different. But, yeah, not the best sound package by any means. It's basically just really pretty. But, again, balanced rules. I think it would be a good competitive game. And another thing I like for, you know, tournament games personally is I like difficult, short-playing games. So you're not waiting forever. And that was absolutely this one. Totally agree, because when I started my classic league several years ago, it was a good five year run. And I just we just did all old school games, anything up until 80, 1984 and earlier. And the reason why, because there was a huge league in this area, New Robert Englunds Pinball League that, you know, covered many states around here. But they were playing on mostly all, you know, 90s DMD and Stern stuff. And I said, well, you know, let's play. And I just said, yeah, good plays there. They're playing all day on ball one. And it just took all night. You only got to play like three games, being there all night and one time a week, you know, every week. And I said, I'm going to do it differently. So I did this all old school, used my collection. And I went out and looked around for other people I knew around that had nice collections too, all old school. and we go uh made it every two weeks that we're looking forward to go and playing and versus every one week it's almost an obligation and uh it was great because we got to play six games a night in a tournament format the games would go so quick you could do it and uh in about an hour and a half to two hours you were done so you get there like seven o'clock at night leave at nine and uh go home to your wife or girlfriend whatever and it was all good so it was a good run yep I totally get it that's the appeal of the classics to me is you know good gameplay, different gameplay, different skill sets but I like like you said you start playing those modern games and you sitting waiting for the other three players sometimes an hour in between your balls it feels like Yeah then what happens sometimes you oh, where's so-and-so? Oh, he went to go get a beer or he went to go to the bathroom. You start losing people, you know? Yeah. Oh, beautiful. It is a stargaze with mirroring. Nice. Yeah, that's how I did the name up on there and then some of the gypsy's jewelry is mirrored as well. how about the ball the stargazer ball is that mirror is that white or uh it's still got the coloring in the middle of it but the like reflection part off it has a mirrored sparkle okay gotcha yeah you can zoom in there and see it through well very nice yeah i said very nice george also wanted me to ask you about uh are you on are you on the list for a fathom two um i am yes technically uh my i was not gonna order one i i saw it was announced that i was really tempted and i thought it was really cool neat to see it done but i already have one um and i thought about operating it i was like yeah i don't need to do that you know we've got enough other games down there it's like we're dying to get a game in there and then my partner who has a few games at the location and we've actually purchased two or three games together uh to you know share the cost on because they're not cheap he messaged me and was like hey i think we should get one of these what do you think and then i'm like well i'm only gonna pay for half of it then um and basically the deal was like yes if it earns well we'll keep it there i don't think it will earn well i think fathom is a very tough game honestly uh so i don't know how well it's going to do but if it doesn't do well he wants a fathom anyway so he'll buy my half out and take it back home to his house so we do have one coming yes oh okay that's good cool because george and i were talking about it's like we you know i have my fathom here i'd like to compare i wish it would be kind of nice to have someone that's close by that i could we could actually go to their house and do a podcast from there and do a new fathom podcast with the old school new school fathoms within close proximity compare how they play to each other you know that kind of thing be kind of fun to do yeah i uh i should be able to do that eventually i i am not counting on any sort of dates i know australia is under uh further and worse lockdowns than we have ever been still ever been yeah that feel bad all sorts issues there so it's i don't expect it but again all we had to pay was our deposit and we basically looked at it like a calculated risk we knew they haven't shipped very many celts but we figure with the amount of money our deposit would be if they fail and they never succeed and it goes under well we're out a couple hundred bucks each you know so not that that's nothing but we figured we could risk it yeah and if it works out we get a cool fathom and hopefully we get to share it with people and play it we uh we put a spooky halloween on location a couple weeks ago and we've got Godzilla coming hopefully this week from what we've been told so we like to put new stuff out there and let people enjoy it and if it uh can earn a little bit and earn its keep down there for a while we'll keep them hanging out and if people don't like them it's kind of the nice thing that we can uh we've got a few spots we literally keep there for rotating purposes on purpose you know try different things out and buy and sell some stuff and keep new games coming in yeah not not that we talk about too many new game stuff but sometimes we'll go go there sometimes for you know some varied interest but uh speaking of some of new stuff i saw uh i saw the godzilla reveal and and play on that look really interesting like a fun game and also noticed that all of a sudden people are dumping their spot in line for halloween now because i guess they're gonna say well forget halloween i want a godzilla i mean i don't know what that's what i'm thinking it is but it's just people are you I think part of it is it's happened with almost every spooky pinball game is people get really worried about missing out and they order initially. And then the reality sets in of like something else gets announced like Godzilla, or they just realize like, Oh man, I ordered this late in the day and I'm not getting it for 18 months. And even though you don't have to put all that money into it right away, you start to want something else right now. So I think it's a combination of those things, but yeah, I've definitely seen the spots up for sale. My buddy Mark is the one who bought the partner, who bought Halloween and put it at our location. I have nothing to do with that game financially. I'm just there to kind of do the maintenance and make sure it keeps operating and playing. And it was there three weeks so far, and it more than doubled the best month we've ever had for any game. I was really, really blown away. Wow. And people seem to be loving it. So it's been pretty neat. They just did a big code update this past weekend. I streamed that for like three or four hours on Sunday to kind of show people what changes were made and what additions were put in, et cetera. But, yeah, I think Spooky's got a hit on their hands. I'm not a huge fan of the Halloween movie series, and I'm enjoying the gameplay. So it shoots really well. I think they did a good job on the geometry and the physics of the game. Cool. I can't wait to play it at some point. It's going to be out there. It might be at the Pintastic show coming up. Who knows? Yeah, I'm sure that Joe will have one there. Yeah, yep, yep. Well, cool. Anything else about Voltan or any other thing before we wrap up? No, Voltan was cool. Like I said, I intentionally streamed it and put it out there. I did sell it. I did sell it for my asking price. I know when I posted it, a lot of people gave me a bunch of shit. and I on one hand I completely understood it on the other hand uh I knew what the other two restored machines had sold for yep and I was selling mine cheaper than both of those because the reality is I know the reputation of both of those restores and how long they've been doing it and I haven't been doing it as long um and I respect that their skill is at a higher level than mine yep so I thought where I priced it was fair and accurate and it sold within 48 hours so Exactly. You got to love the haters on, you know, especially on Pinside. You got to, I call them, you know, there's a lot of good people there, but there's some gammas there. They're basically, they're just, they're jealous. They're jealous. I got less of a negative reaction on Pinside than I did on Facebook this time, which kind of surprised me. But I think the reality was like when I sold Stargazer, I priced it high, but people know what Stargazer is. like you said you've been doing this for a very long time and you've never seen a Bolton right it's really rare so I think a lot of people just had no clue what it was and then you add in the fact that I did some customization to it to make it different like it is a one-of-a-kind there's no there's not another one with those spinner decals there's not another one with the mirror back glass there's not another one with seven digit scoring so you know it was literally a one-of-a-kind machine and the guy who bought it told me specifically he appreciated that about it he's been collecting a few years and he's gone to only collecting classic solid state valleys and he had one spot left and this was the game he wanted so it worked out perfect that's great yeah and uh he's actually possibly hiring me to restore a medusa for him because he was so impressed when he got it home and got it all set up and he was happy so you know that's kind of the bottom line the way i looked at it was i got to play it i got to really enjoy it i got to save a game that was literally sitting in a barn and now somebody else can enjoy it and i built it to last so it should be enjoyable for decades to come and now i can do some more of them hopefully that's uh well speaking of medusa it's one game i i've had that in my restoration queue for myself for, I don't know, at least 10 years. I even have a new old stock play field. There's already a clear-coater waiting to go into it. I've got a beautiful backlight. It's going to be a beautiful game. I really want to do it, but I just feel like... The games would have an extra flipper button for that stupid thing in the middle that hits the ball out. Fireball 2 Medusa post? Yeah. Just put a freaking pin there. I don't want to have another button to push. you know so another button to push another mechanical thing to break yeah yeah lots of posts are about impossible to find now i i get it they are i think but maybe swinks is doing that or someone uh somebody's got 3d printed ones out there and then i just saw literally like a day or two ago somebody on facebook has started casting them in uh whatever resin plastic or whatever. So somebody took one and made a mold of it and is actually doing them the original way now. I'm actually speaking to the little post thing with the flipper with a little button there, whatever they call it. I don't know. I have a I got a fireball, too, that I picked up. Yeah, I picked up for, you know, very reasonable money. But, you know, from this, you know, I don't know, this guy found me and said, you know, he got it, didn't know how he got it. And, you know, whatever, however that story that goes. But I just picked it up and said, okay, probably shouldn't have anybody look at that. But it looked nice cabinet, nice back glass, paper looked nice. Looked at it under closer inspection. And whoever had this game previously, they got rid of a little devil doodle bug thing in the middle. They pitched that. Oh, yeah. They cut a big hole in the middle and they put a fireball classic platter spinner thing right there in the middle of the game. Huh. Weird. So, weird, you know? And it's kind of like, I was like, oh, how am I ever going to sell this game as it sits? But then I'm thinking, well, the Doodlebug thing is useless. Yeah, that's kind of, that's cooler to me. And I actually like Fireball, too. I had one for a while. I think that's a really underrated art package on that game. Yeah, I mean, I'm still thinking of selling it. I'm still thinking of selling it as a project, as a nice project, you know, for reasonable dough, not too crazy um because i mean i like the hour but i'm not i don't know it's kind of like i had it i had it on location for about three months and that was enough fireball 2 for me so i get it okay yeah you know i don't know it's just i'd like fireball classic and fireball 2 i don't know i just wouldn't mind moving it on i guess one of the games that i'd rather pay attention to i don't really think restoring that one up i don't think there's really a lot of big money down to the rainbow in that game i don't think there's uh enough people that want that i want a really nice one you know no that's not one of the people who are looking for heavily restored not that i wouldn't get decent money but it's yeah that's i had a friend recently asked me about peyton cabinets and he has god i want to say maybe it was like that what's that one game 1776 or one of the old em patriotic games is it a bit yeah i think so oh yeah maybe it's valley freedom or I can't remember which one it is. Yeah, Valley Freedom. Yeah, it looks like 1776. Valley Freedom is George Washington in the back glass or something. Yeah, it's one of those. Like the cabinet artwork has an eagle on it and stuff. Yeah, that's the one. I was basically telling him, I was like, dude, cabinet painting is the most frustrating part of doing a restoration. And there's no way I would do it on a game that I didn't either first off plan to keep or to know that I could sell for good money. Like it's just not worth it. Right. Exactly. I tried to explain to him the time and effort it takes to do a full-on cabinet restoration. He's like, I just want to experiment. I was like, if you just want to experiment, man, just tape it off and paint it yourself. Do a full restoration on it. It's not worth it unless, like you said, again, it's your keeper game or it's a business opportunity. Because they are, it is frustrating. unless you have a you know an HEP like high-end automotive paint setup and decades of painting experience which I have neither of so it painting a cabinet for me is a dreadful experience but when they are done you know it turns out and it's nice I it does feel worth it then I just had a Superman play uh cabinet done so I actually have three Superman games and uh all of them had you know decent playfields but definitely some wear so i basically shipped them all out to bill davis he touched them up clear coat and they came back looking like newell stock superman playfields you can't find anywhere and then i had you know three decent sets of plastics but one really nice one so i said well i definitely need three new sets of plastic sets and does no one had cpr haven't no one had them i contacted kevin and said kevin any interest in doing a cpr superman set yeah sure well i got him send him over you know so i made a deal with him i got i got three i got i got a couple sets out of them for my games so and they came out great i mean he did a really nice job on it so now i got like this you know i have a beautiful back glass for it a nice repainted cabinet um the rails that on the atari game the superman game and they uh a little bit of rust on them they rusted easy so i had to like took them you can't get me so i took them to a buffer buff the crap out of them and they came out nice but uh but yeah i i don't doing the kind of repaint it's like it's not for me i if i can have somebody else do it do a good job i'm gonna pay them to do it so i totally get it yeah if i had someone local that i knew who could i would probably do the same thing but for now i'm uh i'm that guy apparently so you're getting ready to help a friend uh one of my friends i i gifted a uh space rider kit too and uh i'm getting ready to help him do the cabinet for that one. So that'll be my next cabinet up. I don't think I'm going to do the cheetah cabinet because it's got the original blue prototype and it's actually in good shape. Yeah, why not? I think that one's worth keeping original. Yeah, my wife was chiming in. She's my artist. So the one I had all repainted, that one came up, that one needed bad. It was all scraped up really bad. But the other one I had, we just had a couple of nicks and dings here and there. She actually, you know, we cleaned up. She actually touched it up. It looks pretty darn nice. So if I can take an original cabinet and with a little bit of touch-up work, make it look really presentable, I'm going to do that instead of, like, tearing off all the artwork, you know, unless it's really bad. We'll do that, you know. Oh, I think I lost him. Did I lose you? I lost Tommy. There you go. Signing off from the Classic Pinball Podcast. I'm your host, David O'Neill, Dr. Dave. Good night, folks. Hasta la vista, baby. Dave! Who? Dave! 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