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Episode 101: The boys are back and get caught up on all things Pinball!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Jul 24, 2021
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TL;DR

Poor Man's A A Pinball Podcast returns after 2 years with personal updates and The Mandalorian (Pro) gameplay discussion.

Summary

Poor Man's A A Pinball Podcast returns after a two-year hiatus with hosts Drew and Ian discussing their time away, personal updates (Drew's 40th birthday, Ian's Creature pin restoration), and detailed impressions of the The Mandalorian (Pro) pinball machine. The episode emphasizes community connection, features extensive banter and personal anecdotes, and includes gameplay commentary on Mando alongside mentions of other recent Stern releases.

Key Claims

  • Mandalorian has a unique angled ramp in the middle of the playfield with quirky physics that makes it fun to shoot despite appearing missable

    high confidence · Drew discussing Mandalorian gameplay mechanics on-air

  • Ian spent approximately $10,000 on restoration and upgrades for his Creature pin

    high confidence · Drew quoting Ian's Creature restoration costs during discussion

  • Mandalorian has an upper playfield and Grogu plush toy feature that the hosts disliked aesthetically

    high confidence · Drew and Ian directly criticizing Mando's upper playfield and Grogu toy during gameplay review

  • Mandalorian has better shot layout and ramp design compared to Star Wars pin

    high confidence · Both Drew and Ian comparing Mando favorably to Star Wars in terms of playfield layout

  • Mandalorian units sold out very quickly (750 units day one mentioned as sold/shipped)

    medium confidence · Ian referencing quick sell-through in response to Grogu criticism: '750 alleys day one it's gone'

  • Ian had not played Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and disliked it despite the cartoon IP being nostalgic to him

    high confidence · Ian stating 'didn't have any fun playing that' and 'completely missed me' regarding TMNT

  • Stranger Things has been in Tim Lee's collection for a long time and is praised by him

    high confidence · Drew noting 'Tim Lee's had it in his home. I think it's the longest pin that's been in his home'

  • Shadow is underpriced relative to other 1990s pinball games

    medium confidence · Drew stating 'I still think that game's a little underpriced for what it is' regarding Shadow

Notable Quotes

  • “It's been an amazing journey of not doing shit. I have been thoroughly enjoying my life.”

    Drew @ ~08:30 — Sets tone for the episode's relaxed, personal opening after 2-year hiatus

  • “I can't stand that upper play field at all. I didn't like it. I didn't understand it.”

    Ian @ ~46:00 — Direct criticism of Mandalorian's upper playfield design

  • “The shots and layout are just better, in my opinion. I will say, once again, you put that game next to Star Wars, and the shots and layout are just better.”

    Drew @ ~47:00 — Comparative assessment of Mando vs Star Wars pinball design

  • “Stern. They make games for everybody. They do. Whether you like it or not, shitheads, this is it.”

    Drew @ ~50:30 — Commentary on Stern's design philosophy and market approach

  • “I threw away so many fucking boxes from Marco Specialty that I almost like started tearing up. It filled my whole car.”

    Ian @ ~26:00 — Humorous but revealing comment about the scale of Ian's Creature restoration spending

  • “That ramp is just slightly cockeyed, and it's so funny because you don't think you can hit it, but you hit it all the time, and it's fantastic.”

    Ian @ ~45:30 — Detailed mechanical observation about what makes Mandalorian's ramp design work

  • “This is the happiest moment of my 40 years on this planet.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ ~36:00 — Self-deprecating humor about Drew's ice cream enjoyment at his birthday celebration

  • “Grogu is just a shroud to cover the end of the ramp mechanics.”

    [name withheld pending review] @ ~48:00 — Community theory explaining the functional purpose of the Grogu toy feature

Entities

DrewpersonIanpersonPoor Man's Pinball PodcastorganizationStern PinballcompanyMandaloriangameStranger ThingsgameTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Poor Man's Pinball Podcast returns after 2-year hiatus with strong community support and positive reception; demonstrates sustained interest in established pinball content despite long absence

    high · Episode 101 return broadcast; chat full of returning listeners and well-wishers; community members traveled to venues hoping to meet hosts

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Mandalorian's upper playfield and Grogu toy feature represents polarized design choice; some players find it gimmicky while others accept it functionally

    high · Ian: 'I can't stand that upper play field at all...Like the toys and innovation, that's like an F, that game' but acknowledges 'the shots and layout totally make up for it'

  • $

    market_signal: Mandalorian demonstrates rapid sell-through; suggests strong market demand for Stern releases and quick inventory depletion

    medium · Ian: '750 alleys day one it's gone it moved it's gone kids...they're just going right to customers you know no one's holding any stock'

  • ?

    collector_signal: Secondary market remains active with players acquiring machines like Shadow and trading for inventory; restoration spending can reach $10,000+ for serious collectors

    high · Ian spent ~$10,000 on Creature restoration; Drew acquired Shadow and received Ghostbusters Pro; both hosts actively buying during hiatus period

  • ?

    venue_signal: Local venue (Blackbird) has dynamic game rotation; machines cycle through regularly with mix of classic and newer titles

    medium · Blackbird's lineup includes Taxi, Munsters Premium, Lord of the Rings, Fun House; hosts note Medieval Madness was removed and lineups 'always change'

Transcript

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0:00
When my roommate comes into the room looking for his car keys, I don't say it yet. And when he gets me off the couch to check underneath the couch cushions, I don't say it yet.
0:20
No. And then when he says out loud, I wonder where my car keys are, I still don't say it. But then he asked me Do you know where my car keys are? I look at him in his face And I say Have you checked your bottle?
0:42
I have not seen your keys But since you asked me I've never met a lady I don't think he's ever had your big, long, big, nice But the funny thing to say To someone who's lost their shit And is stressed out visibly When I say the best man starts to sweat.
0:59
I don't say it yet. When I see that little ring bearer cunt getting yelled at by his mum. Oh, I still don't say it. When I see the groom asking the vicar if they can wait just another 15 minutes. I do not say it. Keep up the dance. And when the father of the bride starts organising an ad hoc in-you-bob at the courtyard area. I want to, but I do not say it. It's the 11th hour, which 300 comments gets under the hood. The vicar approaches the mic, and suddenly all of the chatting goes mute. He says that they've misplaced the ring. Could anyone possibly know where they are? I know it's my time, and all heads turn as I stand and say, Vicar, can you take your butthole? Stick it up, down, down, up.
1:48
I'm not seeing your ring, but I can't see your ring. I lost my loan. I was joking. I'm losing my patience. Where is your car? I just lost my grandma. Oh my God, I'm so sorry. Are you capable of not saying she's up my arsehole? Of course. Mike and Dolly. I'm not looking for a silly joke right now. Oh yeah. What are you looking for?
game
Shadowgame
Ghostbusters (Pro)game
Creaturegame
Tim Leeperson
Brandon Filippiperson
Carlyperson
Blackbirdvenue
Glennperson
Rachelperson
Jeremyperson
Kazperson
Dr. Johnperson
Flip N Out Pinballcompany
  • ?

    product_concern: Plush toy element (Grogu) in Mandalorian playfield receives criticism for taking up space and diminishing playfield aesthetic despite functional purpose

    high · Ian: 'I feel like they just took a lot of space away from the game by putting a big plush toy in it, don't you?' Chat member: 'Grogu is just a shroud to cover the end of the ramp mechanics'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Mandalorian explicitly designed and praised for accessibility across skill levels; represents Stern's market positioning philosophy

    high · Tim Lee: 'Mando is fun and approachable for all levels.' Drew: 'Whether you like it or not, shitheads, this is it' regarding Stern making games for everybody

  • ?

    content_signal: Multiple pinball podcasts active in community; hosts reference catching up on other pinball podcast content during their hiatus

    medium · Hosts mention catching up on Tim Lee and Rachel's podcast; reference to Kaneda's podcast and other shows in ecosystem

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: Current Stern shipments going directly to customers with no distributor stock holding; indicates strong demand pull or production constraints

    medium · Ian: 'all these shipments that are coming out now they're just going right to customers you know no one's holding any stock'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Mandalorian's angled center ramp represents deliberate design choice to create surprising playability; playfield physics engineered to make counterintuitive shot accessible

    high · Ian: 'That ramp is just slightly cockeyed, and it's so funny because you don't think you can hit it, but you hit it all the time, and it's fantastic'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles underperformed for Ian despite strong IP nostalgia; suggests disconnect between IP licensing and gameplay appeal for some players

    high · Ian: 'didn't have any fun playing that...for whatever reason, completely missed me. I was very uninspired by it'

  • ?

    community_signal: Pinball community demonstrates strong social bonds; fans travel to venues specifically hoping to encounter podcast hosts, indicating deep parasocial engagement and content influence

    high · Brandon and Carly 'have gone out several places hoping that they would find us...to play some pinball with us' based on social media posts about pinball locations

    • 2:20
    Honestly, just like... A shoulder to climb. How do you take your butt home? See, that's where I'm going home. Baby, you're my daughter. Grandma, I bet you I'm a fucking gotcha. My mama's coming to meet me. That's my main reason that I'm gonna love friends. I prefer if I could keep going for an hour or so.
    2:40
    Call Zach and Nicole to get the latest Stern Jersey Jacks, CGC American Pinball, Valley Dynamo, and the Stair Climbing Escalera. Not to mention, we're all thrills, arcades, stuff. Call them, 812-457-9711. Next up, we have Pinshades, the new stylish eyewear for your eyes.
    3:02
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    3:14
    And pinballprices.com. How could we forget? Doc, don't overpay for pinball. Check out pinballprices.com. Tell them the poor man sent you. Make sure you take a look at all the inventory on there. They have amazing, amazing amounts of data on all these pinball machines. So don't overpay for pinball. That's the doctor's orders.
    3:36
    Twip, pin swap, no longer there. I want everyone to take out a permanent marker right now, and when you see the pin swap on your screen, just put a big X over it. That's how that works. More music. We have so many intros.
    3:55
    I forgot how this works. Can I get it? Oh, yeah. It's time. You've waited a week or more, and now it's finally here. The time has come for the sloppiest show on the Internet. This week's episode of Four Men's Pinball Podcast.
    4:13
    Starring Drew and Eve. That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over. I'm gonna need someone to help me I'm gonna need somebody's help Son of a bitch Give me a drink One of a kind A chance at me Son of a bitch Take it clean Welcome to the 4-Man Spinball Podcast, episode number 101. The sloppiest show on the internet. 101? 101.
    5:03
    Are we still the sloppiest show even though we haven't been on in like two years? It's been a while. It's been a bit. Drew, how you doing? You sound like a little pissy about it. Not pissy. It's been an amazing journey of not doing shit. I have been thoroughly enjoying my life. Oh, good. It has been wonderful. However, at the same time, I miss all you guys out there. I've been communicating with a lot of you guys out there. You guys have been telling us how much we suck because we haven't been on the air. But most people have been very supportive of it, and I want to thank you guys for that. I've spent a lot of time with my family. I just celebrated my 40th birthday.
    5:37
    Oh, that was a good time. I think we might just do a fucking Friday after this, and we'll get all into that. Maybe we'll just get into it on the show. Who gives a fuck, right? Nobody cares. Hey, thanks for the cheer. No, it's been awesome. And having some time away is, you know, it always puts things in perspective. But, man, I'm excited to be back. That's good. So, no. No pissy. No whatever. I didn't even know this was episode 102. I asked Ian before. It's 101. What episode are we on? 101. I will say this. So right before we went live here, I asked Ian. Because I always forget. Like sometimes we can, you guys can hear the audio. Sometimes you can't, depending on what we're playing and different clips and things. And then Ian reminded me that the audio that we released for the podcast, you can hear pretty much everything that we're recording. And I take my dogs for a walk every day, and I always listen to, like, all the podcasts, and sometimes I listen to ours, of course. So I was listening to episode 100. Go back. Do yourself a favor. You suck at the pinball. Oh! Tim Lee is in the house. Thanks, Tim Lee.
    6:43
    So do yourself a favor. Go to episode 100 and listen to it, and you'll hear the parts where Ian and I are giggling in the background and just talking over, I think it was Glenn's song. And like I said, because you guys couldn't hear it on the show, but if you listen to the audio, oh, it's gold.
    7:03
    I'm walking through the cemetery with my dogs just, like, laughing my ass off. It's so inappropriate, but it was great. Yeah, Drew's a brooder. You know, he likes to dress up in all black, black eye shadow, bottle of whiskey. He's got his black dogs, walks in the cemetery, likes to lay on the grave, take some drinks, you know, get all brooding, you know. You got all that from walking through the cemetery with my dogs? I thought that was odd. But, yeah. Yeah, that's what happens. That's about it. That's life, man. Yeah. Check out the audio. It's a good time.
    7:36
    So, speaking of Tim Lee, what you drinking today, Ian? What you drinking? Well, should we open up the bar? Yeah, open it up. See, I forgot how this shit works.
    7:48
    Come in. Grab a seat. The bar is open. Well, Drew, thank you for asking. Um, I am drinking some good old-fashioned small-batch straight bourbon whiskey from Las Vegas. It's Smoke Wagon. and that's how you're supposed to say it when you talk about smoke wagon smoke wagon smoked your wagon smoked his wagon somebody's wagon got smoked that'll be me so the reason i shot up tim lee all these years tim tells me all he drinks is uh fireball and coke and i have never tried it i've had fireball a few times in the past it was whatever you know i like whiskey cinnamon i'm like yeah whatever but um i'm drinking fireball and coke today hey to you Tim Lee, and maybe today you suck at pinball. Ooh, maybe, maybe.
    8:48
    Is this the super awesome podcast as Kaz? Oh, Kaz, we miss you. I did not miss Kaz. I did not miss him. The only person on that list I missed was Jeremy and Rachel for the most part. That list was short. Yeah. And then Kaz follows it up with only 500 more to catch Kaneda. That guy's doing like 10 episodes a week now. You know, that was the worst part of being off is watching and listening to Kaneda rip us off. You know, he doesn't have the tribe. He has the Kaneda Club. Very true. I never really thought about that. We have our happy hour. He's got his happy hour now. Yeah. So the marketing genius kind of ripping us off. How do you guys feel about that? Call us at 1-800-KANEDA-DOESN'T-WEAR-SOCKS. We demand 50% of your Patreon donations.
    9:39
    So give me your $45 now. So what else, man? What have you been doing with your two months off or however long it's been?
    9:49
    So much. So much more pinball than usual because I didn't have to worry about a show. I told my wife that the other day. Ian has done more pinball in the last couple months, like actively participating and all kinds of stuff. knew that this show takes away from pinball. It's crazy, isn't it? Isn't it weird? A little ironic. But no, it's true, man. I was legit like, what did we do right off the gate? We went to Garcade. We played Mando.
    10:21
    I got caught up on a lot of pins I had not played. Stranger Things. TMNT. Of course, Mando. Oh, that's right. He's got a lot of the newer stuff. What else did I play that was... That was basically the new stuff. I mean, I got reacquainted with some old loves of mine, like Gulfstream and TNA.
    10:44
    Sorry. I still have a cough, guys. It's a lingering thing from last week. He's got COVID 2.0. Oh, shut up. Too soon? Shut it. But no, I mean, played Mando, which was fucking phenomenal. Loved that game. It was super fun. Played Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. didn't have any fun playing that. He played like two games and he goes, I don't get it. I just don't want to play it. I didn't want to play it. I don't know why. I couldn't tell you why. And I know that's bad commentary. And if you own the game and you love it, hey, man, all the power to you. It just, for whatever reason, completely missed me. I was very uninspired by it. Where would you put the Turtles cartoon in your hierarchy when you were a kid?
    11:27
    Like top ten, let's say. Where does that fit in your head? I like the Turtles movie. Okay. The original. The first one. Yep, okay. That was a cool movie for me at that age. The cartoon was cool. This was obviously more akin to the cartoon. The cartoon was cool. I liked it. I watched a lot. I was a fan. We had the toys. I was a little shocked by that. We can go into that in more detail. What else? Oh, Stranger Things?
    11:53
    180, man. I love that game. That game is fucking hilariously fun. To Tim Lee's credit, he's been preaching. I mean, Tim Lee's had it in his home. I think it's the longest pin that's been in his home. Stranger Things? Yeah. And he's been praising that for a long time. Yeah, and Tim Lee also has said that Turtles is his favorite game. So we'll talk more about that because Tim and Rachel have a podcast that I got caught up on and I have been enjoying thoroughly. So I did a lot of catching up on pinball podcasts, including the stuff that's on our station. What else? Oh, I restored the creature pin. Yes. which is done for the most part. It needs a powder coat, but other than that, it is finished. It looks great. I mean, the play field's nice. The lighting is perfect. He's got the Penn Stadiums. This thing really shines. I did all right. It was pretty good. It's amazing what $10,000 will do for you. We can go over that, too. That's the financial.
    12:48
    We don't want a record of that. There's a pile in the corner that Ian has, and it says, Please Burn, and it's all the invoices. I threw away so many fucking boxes from Marco Specialty that I almost like started tearing up. It filled my whole car. I was like, what did I do? What happened? How did it get away from me? Ian's going to be living in the back of his car with his creature strapped to the top of it. Well, now I know for a fact it's bolted because I don't want to fucking, I'd lose my ass. That's the problem with pins you love. And especially these older ones that are going for crazy money now. It gets bad when you start, like, just throwing $150 away, just going, well, man, at least it's not $400. Nice. $150, that's cheap. Cha-ching. Charge it. Do-do-do-do-do-do. Charge it. So, finished creature.
    13:38
    Oh, a new subscriber. That's going to help me pay for my creature. What's up, Red Holes? What's up? Hey, Billy. Billy Wadjay's in the house. Let's talk about chat here. I got Josh from Mudderitaville. Josh, love you, buddy. A-State Track, how you doing, brother? Glenn Wechter's in the house. Rachel Flips. Jay Sellers. Michael Williams.
    13:59
    Kaz. We talked about that guy. Jeremy's here. Cavalier. You're here. Jeremy, Billy Wads. Yeah, Kaz is getting a lot of hate. No, I'm kidding. He knows I'm...
    14:09
    Ian, ask Drew what I say about that. Who's that? Manky, your wife. Oh, where is she? Is that Manky KM? Yeah. Your wife? Where is she in chat there? Right here. Oh, I see it. Okay. say about which part, love? Uh-oh. I think we're in trouble. Please repeat, man.
    14:28
    So, no. It's great to see all you lovely folks in chat. My wife is not working tonight, so I'm in big shit. You are in the shit.
    14:36
    But, no. And then certain things I did with Creature that I had never done before. I added an actual, like, smart strip power strip, and then I wired a switching power supply in it to run some mods, and the switching power supply was fine, too. Oh, jeez. Sorry about spending $150 on quote-unquote accessories. Accessories.
    14:57
    Busted. Well, usually she just, you know, now that I'm, now that I just tell my friends I'm a realtor and I don't make money, she says, quit spending my money. Yeah.
    15:06
    $150 in pinball term is like nothing. That's like the cheapest thing you can possibly buy. Yeah. $150. $150, that's the cheapest thing, easily.
    15:16
    Yeah, Tim Lee, she can tell you about my nickname. so uh but no man lots of pinball man it's been been balls deep in pinball man how about you same thing same thing and i can't talk about specifics with my wife's in chat but man it's been great i got all these good deals on these great games i i hear it i hear it drew bull bear uh-huh i in the same week i brought home a shadow and then a Ghostbusters Pro got shipped to my home.
    15:54
    That was a mistake, by the way, Kathleen. It was supposed to go to somebody else's home. Yeah, I don't know what happened. I'm trying to find the rightful owner, but it's tough. That's a weird switcheroo there. It's tough.
    16:04
    No more pinball machines, she says. I only have seven in a single room, okay? We're not there yet. So we will be talking a little bit about my basement, and it's Andrew Bovary. Yeah, she calls me Andrew when she's really upset with me, which is 99% of the time.
    16:21
    So I put a little video of my basement. It's still a dark dungeon right now. Oh, my God, the thing's scary. So we're finally going to start putting some finishing touches on it and then get the games down there. But, man, Shadow and Ghostbusters, great pickups. I am thoroughly enjoying both of those games. Good. Good for you, man. Yeah. And Shadow, I've only played a few games beforehand. And, yeah, that's one of the best 90s games. It's a cool fucking game.
    16:53
    I will go, I think I've said this before, I still think that game's a little underpriced for what it is. Wow. Well, why not, right? I mean, if some of these other games are going for whatever they're going for. We're driving up the price, Drew. Yeah, it's only me. It's just you. I'm the only one that's buying everything in sight. Well, Kathleen, cover your ears. You kind of are. You are. Anyway, so I know, Drew, you would never buy on-site. No, no, no, of course not. Oh, we went to Blackbird. Remember that night? We did. We met some fans. That was a lot of fun. This was kind of a fun story. Hold on. Before you go into that, their lineup has changed. Yes. It always does. It's good. Our local watering hole. I know they have a taxi and a Munsters Premium. It was the black and white. and they had a fun house. Yep.
    17:45
    And I'm trying to think. No Good Gophers. Lord of the Rings. They still have Medieval Madness? No, they got rid of that. No, there was one more. What was it? No, I can't remember the life of me.
    17:57
    I was playing a taxi like a motherfucker. A taxi was awesome. And Lord of the Rings on vacation. When do you see Lord of the Rings on vacation? On location? You don't. New follower. Oh, shit. Whoa, Dr. John. Wow, is this the real deal? So long. Nostalgia has set in. Welcome back. Thank you, buddy. Appreciate it. Hey, Dr. John. How are you? In the land down under. Dr. John, where's Jessie J? We haven't heard from her in a while. So we did that. We met some... Do you want to tell the story? Drew was playing pinball. I was... Dot, dot, dot. Well, before this... Yeah, we're getting excited. Yeah. Dot, dot, dot. Well, it doesn't matter before this. We'll get into that later. But playing pinball, and an unrecognizable voice comes up behind me and says, Drew sucks at pinball.
    18:50
    And I got the biggest grin on my face because I knew what was happening, and it turns out I was right. I turn around. There is this guy that I've never met before. Brandon Filippi. Yep. We're friends on Facebook. He's one of those people who friended me. And his beautiful wife, Carly. Carly, yes. So he said, hey, man, my name's Brandon. And he says, we've always hoped to get to see you guys out in public or something like that. And I was like. They were following us on Facebook, our adventure. You know, like, hey, we're going here. We're going to go play pinball there. He said him and his wife have gone out several places hoping that they would find us, you know, to play some pinball with us. And they did. And they were the nicest people. And we had such a good time. And it was just this great thing. But, yeah, so once again, the community of pinball brought us together, and holy shit, was that cool. So, yeah, Rachel says, I love Brandon. I knew Rachel was friends with him. So, yeah, good people, and shout out to Brandon Filippi and Carly. Carly, what's her last name? I had it, but I lost it. Okay, sorry, Carly. So, Brandon and Carly, it was very nice meeting you guys in person and playing pinball. Very, very cool. And we got drunk, and she drew us our new logo, which was a platypus. Ian put that picture on our page so if you guys are wondering what that platypus was that was that but before that I was playing monsters and Ian was in one of his ridiculous moods that's not true and he pushed the game so far at one point I was playing and he just tilted me out and I swear I slammed into the other game not true first off I respect everyone's games I would never do such a crazy thing craziness, ridiculousness Yeah, so no. Drunk and miss. No. Stoboreen would never do that.
    20:40
    I'm embarrassed. I'm looking up that picture we took of that damn place. Oh, thanks, Fliptronic. Y'all look so clean cut and nice today. It's because we're well rested and we haven't been drinking. Well, I mean, we have been drinking, but just a little fireball and Coke. We'll see how it goes.
    20:57
    Dr. John says I missed the red face. I'm getting there, Dr. John. We'll figure it out. uh oh kathleen says ian can you share the pic i sent you early saturday morning oh champion pub champion yeah um so anyways uh yeah we we went out for my birthday on i'm on it kathleen's gonna take a bit okay we went out for my birthday on friday it was my 40th and we were downtown milwaukee we went to the van gogh exhibit uh with some gummies uh if it comes to your town i guess they're going town to town i don't know where it's going to be next but look it up uh van gogh exhibit uh very cool and uh we we had a great time oh yeah dude so yep had a few drinks had some dinner i was high as a kite had some gummies and we watched from Van Gogh and holy crap was that fresh and cool. I was, what, explain what it was. So, you know, at first you walk in. That was me. And it's this big room and there's these like hanging picture frames and the picture frames are empty and they're hanging from, they're suspended from the ceiling and they're kind of, there's kind of like aisles and you're walking back and forth, you know, the snake pattern and every station had like a big 10 foot screen, 10 by 10 or whatever. and they had like a fact about Van Gogh or a quote or something about Van Gogh's life. So you're kind of walking, zigzagging through this at your own pace. You're seeing these trippy picture frames, like nice frames that are hanging from the ceiling.
    22:36
    And then, of course, we're the group of six people. We're giggling the whole time. So everyone in there is like serious. Some of those people were weird as shit. They were. Good people. They were. Good people. But, so, yeah, we're giggling. We're having a great time. And then you get into this smaller room where they have, like, lights and some music going. And it's kind of like, you know, they're telling you about Van Gogh. And they got these trippy, like, you know, laser light show. And it's kind of cool. But then you get to the immersion room. And you got to say it like that. Immersion. So you walk into this giant room that could fit a few hundred people. And everyone's kind of spread out because you're just kind of there. and there's like three or four large pillars and every pillar is covered with a screen. Every wall is covered with a screen. The floor is a screen and Van Gogh's art is like coming to life on this thing. And they got music going and it was just so cool. You're watching like these flowers bloom and the colors on the floor are moving. We had a picture of margaritas in our belly and we had edibles in our tummies We were talking all about it. It was so good. We were all about Van Gogh. It was so good. Yeah, so no, Van Gogh was cool.
    23:55
    So, yeah, it was just such a neat experience. And like I said, if it comes to your town, I would highly recommend doing that. So, oh, Dr. John, I don't know what you're sending me here and probably not appropriate. Oh, Dr. John, Dr. John. Oh, that is too funny.
    24:17
    All right. Sorry, I'm just putting in this really great image of Drew. So then, anyways, after this whole night, we go back to the hotel room, my wife and I, and she wanted to stop at this place where they have, like, ice cream and cookies until 3 a.m. or whatever. So, of course, we've got to get some ice cream and cookies, right? Yeah. So we order these little ice cream things. Oh, you went to Insomniac, right?
    24:43
    Insomniac Cookies? Yeah, I think that's the name of it. Yep, insomnia cookies. So we go back to the hotel room. I'm polishing off this ice cream and seducing my wife at the same time. And Ian's going to put this picture up. My wife almost pissed her pants. She was laughing so hard. And she took this picture, and we are now sharing it with the world. This is seductive Drew in his natural habitat. So this is a picture, for those that are listening, of Drew eating some sort of ice cream. Is that ice cream? Yeah, that's ice cream. Laying on a bed in his boxers, blue boxers. Pasty white ties.
    25:21
    Toenails that could probably stand a clipping. A black shirt with a short sleeve, I believe. Buttoned down, but unbuttoned. That's the sexy part. Hairy, patchy chest. Yeah, great fur everywhere. Guts hanging low. and his face is, he's so happy. He's eating this. This is the best. This is the happiest moment of my 40 years on this planet.
    25:52
    This is the best ice cream he's ever had in his life. Oh, my God. If you see his face, he's enjoying this way more than he should.
    26:03
    I've never seen a Drew like that, and I'm pretty sure his wife had never seen a Drew like that. No, no. And she took a picture of him, and I don't think he gives a shit that she's got the phone out. No.
    26:15
    Another love. Absolutely not. So, you know. So there you go. If you guys want to see the picture, I'll throw it up on Facebook.
    26:26
    God damn, that's fucking funny, dude. Glenn O'Wire's knees bruised. It's a shadow. Oh, yeah. It's a shadow. Thanks, Ian. Yeah, it's a shadow. Oh, my God. So, like I tell my wife all the time, she said yes, and she gets all of this. Yeah, wow. So, yeah. This needs Bruce. There's a lot going on. You know, Drew's needs are Bruce because all you people visit him. And he's got to make sure all of our tribe members and all of our listeners are happy. I've got to pay for those subscriptions somehow. All those Twitch subscriptions. We want to make $100 a month the hard way. All right. Well, there you go, everybody. That is the picture of Drew. Seductive Drew. And for what it's worth, I look better now at 40 than I did at 30. Yes, this is true, man. Imagine what you're going to look like at 50.
    27:16
    So, yeah, all jokes aside, yeah, I'm in better shape now and better health now than I was when I was 30. So we're getting there slowly. But here I am doing my thing. And Dr. John doing a tuck.
    27:31
    I was going to say something about that, but let's just move on. No, no, no. We are not going to talk about his dick and balls today. No, no, no. Drew is so brave. So brave, yet so vulnerable.
    27:45
    Said Glenn, the guy that's naked on Facebook every day. Oh, well, that's his thing, man. That's his art. That's his art, dude. Fuck it.
    27:54
    That old smoke wagon's hopping. That's happening. All right. Buffalo Drew. So, anyways, that was my 40th. But you know what? Enough about all this. nonsense. Should we talk some pinball? Oh my god. There's been so much. There's so much pinball going on. Guys, I didn't know we were going to take a month off and we were going to miss three reviews.
    28:17
    I started these notes a week and a half ago, and then when I found out we weren't going to podcast last week, I was like, yeah, fuck it. I haven't done anything since.
    28:28
    These notes, they're out the window, but you know what? We're just going to get right into it. Don't say, new game alert. uh iron maiden a little bit outdated little outdated no no um go ahead no no no go for it man um so we talk about the first one yeah yeah go ahead all right stern release mandalorian right because we talked about we talked about it yeah we we fathom we talked about so that was that was done and then now we're talking mando had we seen man i think we saw mando but we hadn't played it okay well we played mando we have we have played it gather round children let's talk about Mando. Actually, a lot of people. Just getting right into it. 34 minutes in. Just get right into it. That's how we do it. Hey, pinballs, baby. That's how it goes. That's pinball. All right. So, Mandalorian. Drew actually really, really liked it. I could tell that Drew was fucking into it. I will say this about the Mandalorian. Yep. Glen also has a lot of fun. It is a lot of fun. The sound is amazing. The sound package is great. I really do like the sound package. The art, I thought they were going to go a different direction. But you know what? I like the art. The art was really nice. But it does have one of my most favorite shots in the game, and that is that ramp that's like basically in the middle that's a little cockeyed. I don't know if you can tell from the pictures or if you've played it. I still don't know how the physics work behind that. That ramp is just slightly cockeyed, and it's so funny because you don't think you can hit it, but you hit it all the time, and it's fantastic. I don't know why, but it's like a little brain fart. Yeah. Branch Fock is better probably. But, yeah, no, it's great.
    30:07
    I like a lot of things about Mando. I can't stand that upper play field at all. I didn't like it. I didn't understand it. And I didn't understand the Grogu that was just like a plush toy that was in there. That was. Like the toys and innovation, that's like an F, that game. But the shots and layout totally make up for it. It's so much fun. So if you've got a Mando on your way and you haven't played it yet, you've got a good game, man. You're going to have a lot of fun with it for sure. I will say, once again, you put that game next to Star Wars, and the shots and layout are just better, in my opinion. There you go.
    30:43
    As much as I love my Star Wars, and once again, I'm sure they were hamstrung by some budget constraints and whatever else, but the Mando layout for me is just a better layout. Yeah, it was a lot of fun to shoot. Well, a lot of fun. Well, I know that's 100% right. Fun game. But, guys in the chat, what did you guys think of Mando? So who's played it, and tell us what you thought about it. I want to know.
    31:05
    Grog was forgettable as soon as you plunged. Yep. Nope, that's very true. I had a Mandalorian pro on location, earning great like Stranger Things. Good job, Kaz.
    31:15
    Dongle. Let's see. Billy Blythe. He's getting his this week, premium. It is also straight up. All right. I think he's talking about the ramp.
    31:27
    Cavalier, Mando pass. Just hit the center shot repeatedly for multi Ooh Jeremy always thinking about that Yeah People have said it multi heavy I mean you know it is a flowy game and there are a lot of shots on there So I don know enough about the code to really speak to that
    31:46
    It has a truck nuts hanging target. I mean, how can you go wrong, Kyle? Fliptronic, best Star Wars pin yet. And I do agree with that. The ramps are very different in person. They are, Tim. They are. They're really weird. Let's see here. Let's see. Grogu is forgetful as soon as you plunge. Yep. Grogu is just a shroud to cover the end of the ramp mechanics. Maybe. Yeah. I don't know. Is that really that great? I feel like they just took a lot of space away from the game by putting a big plush toy in it, don't you? All right. Sorry. Tronic. Tron me like one of your French vanilla girls.
    32:24
    Nothing fancy, but it adds uglier things. Let's see here. Ian ending up in the lake. What? Kathleen and Jeremy are talking about you in the ravine again. No, no, no, no. That was Michael Williams. I played it, really enjoyed it. Tim. Yeah, no, it's great. Mando is fun and approachable for all levels. Mike Williams, that is the key, right? It is. I mean, once again. What does Stern do? Stern. They make games for everybody. They do. Whether you like it or not, shitheads, this is it. And to all the Grogu haters out there, and it doesn't move, guess what? 750 alleys day one it's gone it moved it's gone kids it's over it doesn't matter put that down put that on Facebook it's it moved yeah they moved fast and you know all these shipments that are coming out now they're just going right to customers you know no one's holding any stock I mean they're gone Dalton 71611 welcome Mando is here hey Dalton heck yeah man hey Scoots welcome aboard sir Scoots Tony. What up, man? How you doing?
    33:31
    But no, that's it, man. No, I think two thumbs up on your end, and I'd say... Tim Lee, my family loved it. They're super stoked we got it. Yeah, I know. I'm glad he's getting that premium this week. It's approachable for everyone, man. It's going to be a fun game for you guys. You guys play the hell out of it. There are plenty of other toys that don't move. It's nothing new. Yeah, that's true.
    33:50
    Naming all the other sterns. The Grogu is the same Herman magnet on monsters? Yep. and they will keep reusing that magnet until people quit buying it. If you think that magnet's going anywhere, let me tell you something. Stern's going to keep going.
    34:04
    But, hey, it'll be easy for the re-skinners down the line. That's true. They're going to re-skin anything. Axl Rose doesn't move, says Tim Lee. He hasn't moved since 94. No. No, but that's it, man, right? That is it. That's our two cents. But this is one that's not going to come in my home just because it's another Stern that, you know, I'll play on location. It's fun. It'll be on location. Yep. So I'm fine with that. And to Tim Lee, I mean. Support your local guys. Yes. Your distributors. Yes. Or not your distributors, your operators. Sorry about that. Sorry, Kaz.
    34:40
    Yeah. So, no, not really high on my list, but another good Stern. And once again, they got him out the door. Fuck yeah, dude. Good game. All right. Now, Spooky. Hometown team. Hometown. Spooky pinball. Spooky. Out of Benton, Wisconsin. Everyone likes to say it. Benton, Wisconsin. Spooky Surprise. A lot of people. Two games. Main layout.
    35:02
    Now, did you... Game one, Halloween. Game two, Ultraman. We're not breaking any news here. We're about two months late. What do you think about... Did you hear the interviews that Charlie and Bug did recently? No. Go for it, man. So, one of the things that I took away, I think it was when he was talking to Zach,
    35:18
    because they did that. They did Super Awesome Pinball, and then they did Canadian Show. Okay. So they did the rounds with the interviews. But one thing I took away was they said Halloween was actually the secondary thought on that particular layout. Well, they were in Japan at the Ultraman place. Sure. And took pictures, and we were all like, well, that's cool, but you're not making an Ultraman pin. Sure. You knew deep down this is a past project for them. And then it looked like it belonged for Halloween. I don't know about that. Okay. I don't know. I think it looks more natural as Ultraman. And, yes, people, all the podcasters, this is how all the podcasters talk about Ultraman. Ready? They all say the same thing. Now, I don't know how anyone gets exposed to Ultraman. I'd never heard of it. I don't know anything about Ultraman. But it sure does look bright and cute, and I want to play that game. And it looks better than Halloween or whatever they say. Hang on. Flip Tronix says, I assume it was originally going to be Godzilla until Stern stole the IP. That could have been, too. Oh, man. That was like a year and a half ago, man. Well, that's when they started working on it. No.
    36:28
    I doubt that very much. Why? Games are in development for a long time. Long cycle. Yeah, you're telling me a year and a half ago they came out with the layout right away for Godzilla? I don't know. All right, see? You do this to me, man. You do this to me. You just know how to press my buttons, man.
    36:48
    Not cool, dude. Not cool. I will say this. No, no. To my point, a lot of podcasts, I don't know. I don't know Ultraman either. Did you ever watch Ultraman? Ultraman's Ultraman. We don't know much about Ultraman. I was surprised that Marvel has some rights for the comics. Really? That's interesting. Well, you didn't see the art they put up there? There was a variant cover for something, and it was Marvel. It was a Marvel recent comic book of Ultraman. So they had something to do with it. Well, shit, I will say this about Ultraman.
    37:20
    Sure, man, whatever. Hey, they sold it out. It moved. And I will say this, because it's well known I'm not a huge horror fan. I've seen Halloween. It's fine. I understand how big of a license it is, especially for horror fans. But when I saw those two games, Ultraman appealed to me. And once again, I never knew Ultraman existed. Sure. I think you're not alone, though. But looking at that, I was like, holy shit. Like Halloween, like it looks great. Don't get me wrong. But the theme's just not for me. But then when I saw Ultraman, I saw the little short video. I was like, that looks badass. Yeah. Well, I think it's a little lighter. Yeah. I guess this is a good way to determine what themes sell and what don't, right? Because even though not everybody's familiar with Ultraman. Domino's wasn't sci-fi or horror.
    38:10
    Yes. My Domino's career was very much horror. No. But we're on to a whole other thing. The Domino's thing, Domino's paid them to make that game. They didn't go out there and be like, I need the Domino's light. Oh, yeah, I got you. Yeah, that was a contract game just like Jetsons. Yeah. Jetsons, not horrid. They got paid by someone else. But anyway, we're getting off on too many things here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ultraman. Ultraman, obviously that pin looks so fun and inviting with the same exact layout as Halloween, which is a little starker and more moodier. and I'm not surprised that more people are gravitating towards Ultraman. Me being a huge Halloween fan, you know, maybe I'm almost too good of a Halloween fan. I'm too much of a Halloween fan. But I look at it and I'm like, what the fuck is going on with all these hedges? Like, that was like a snippet. That was like a one-second clip in the original movie. He was behind one hedge. Why are there three hedges? Little things like that drove me nuts. And I'm like, I don't understand this. And I got to tell you, that layout is fugly. That is a fucking ugly layout. Ian ruins pinball for me. I'm just saying, the three-tiered upper level. Why don't people come on our show? I don't ask that. We don't ask people to come on our show. Hey, do I come on our show? That layout is ugly. That layout is fugly. Oh, my God. That layout is so incredibly fugly, but I want to shoot it. I absolutely want to shoot it. I want to see if it shoots really well. If my fat-ass eating ice cream doesn't get us banned from the airwaves, this is going to get us banned from the airwaves. Motherfuckers. No, you have opinions anymore. No, that's all you're saying. I'm just fucking with you. I want to hear it. No, this is interesting to me. Well, everyone else wants to blow smoke up each other's asses. No, no, no. So what specifically don't you like about that? I don't think a three-tiered upper playfield, even one-tiered upper playfields generally detract from games, do they not? Well, it depends on... Most times. Like Alice Cooper was a great use of the upper playfield. It was. It was fantastic. Like that. It didn't seem like an upper play field at all. Alice Cooper and Simpsons are two of the best. Yes, they are. 100%. I agree with you 100%. They belong there. Without it, it would be less of a game. Absolutely. 100%. I don't mind. At first, when we started this show, I hated upper play fields. Everyone knows this. But I have grown to appreciate upper play fields because I've played more pinball. See how that works? Yes. Family guy?
    40:30
    Right. Whitewater is amazing. Whitewater is great. It wouldn't be the same game without that upper play field. Game of Thrones, I'm a fan. We know that. And it sounds like this game, according to the Ben Heck interview with Kaneda, plays a lot like Whitewater. So I'm excited. I'm excited to play it. I thought it kind of had like a loop around. Yes, and I'm excited.
    40:48
    But first glance, all of you guys are thinking that, oh, my God, this game looks like it shoots great. No way. You're lying to yourself. You're lying to me. I'm thinking that this game, the layout looked fugly. Cliptronic, I'll fight you on that. I love Simpsons pinball upper play field, but I think Alice Cooper is better. Anyways. They're both great. No, they are both great. I think our point was they're both great. Yes. So, you know what? I love to be proved wrong. I was dogging Stranger Things, and now here I am saying, shit's amazing. This is a fun game. So, what? Okay. I want to shoot it more than any pinball that has ever been made. Okay. Because I got to see how this thing shoots. I'm just talking about based on pictures. Would this be a top ten theme for you? No. No? No, no, not Halloween. Really? No. Would it be a top five horror theme for you? Yeah, no. Okay. About a Halloween? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So for a horror-based or sci-fi-based... I want to see the assets. I want to see a lot of stuff with the Halloween stuff. And they said they have a lot of movie clips. And that's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. I know Charlie and Bug are going to do a Halloween pin to perfection. I know it. I got faith in those boys. They know Halloween way better than I do, and I consider myself an Uber fan. Those guys are... You would have preferred no upper plate. A whole nother... No, I just want to see how it shoots, man. I mean, if it shoots fine and if it's fun, then fucking yes. Throw five more play fields up there. I don't care. But, well, it's going on. You're laughing at me. No, my wife just texted me. Sorry. We're okay. All I'm saying, guys, is I want to play this game. I want to shoot it. The layout looks fugly. And I want to be proven wrong. 100%. What do you guys think in chat? What were your first initial impressions of that? because I thought it was a very unique, cool, something new. And like I said, I'm not into that theme.
    42:37
    Fliptronic, I want to install something that squirts fake blood on a player and then record video of people getting it. What else?
    42:50
    Alice Cooper was a great upper play field. Simpson's Pinball Party is the best upper play field. Ian loves anything Halloween that's true Kathleen is the ramp a tribute to the ramp to haunted house I don't know it's very different can't knock it till you try it absolutely philiptronic but I'm going to knock it anyway and he has go visit Spooky again will they let you back in relax man they're good people just be true to you there are all opinions just like buttholes way to support the local boys I'm not here to blow smoke up a new set. Ian is shitting on Spooky Pinball. Yeah, I know. Everyone loves Spooky. I love Spooky, too. I love him, and I love Charlie in Bug to Death, and they know that.
    43:35
    But, yeah, I don't know. We'll see how it goes, man. I can't wait to shoot it. I really can't. I can't wait for MGC because I'm going to play it, and I'm going to be on here. I'll give you guys my full review. Because of that, though, how can you say right now you can't say much other than you just think there shouldn't have been an offer play field? No, I'm just saying how it looks. It's fucking ugly. What do you think of the art? Oh, it looks beautiful. You know, and Charlie said this. He's like, yeah, obviously, you know, I love all our butter cabinets, but he said something about the butter cabinet on that Halloween was, like, out of this world. Yeah, I believe it. You know, they basically, for you guys who don't know, they, like, clear coat the cabinets. Yeah, they print it on the cabinets and clear coat it. Yeah, like, it's just shiny. And I believe it because it looked rich. It looked dark. It looked, right, all those things. Dave Brennan, historic upper-lower playfield games have less they hit on the lower. That's true.
    44:27
    What would the top five horror themes be? Glenelg. Oh, man, for me? Oh, dude, I would love to see an Exorcist pin. Excuse me.
    44:36
    Exorcist would be a great pin. Halloween would probably be top five. I would like to see another Nightmare on Elm Street. I don't care. I would like to see another updated Nightmare on Elm Street. because I think there's also a little bit of humor in there. Yeah. Right? It's kind of got that campiness. Yeah. A little more of it. Yeah.
    44:56
    What else? Phantasm. It just speaks for pinball because the damn killer orb can be a pinball. I mean, Phantasm's perfect. And Phantasm has that killer soundtrack. And we know I like the goofier stuff, so when they started teasing about Army of Darkness, I was in on that because I think Army of Darkness. You want Scooby-Doo. That's his top horror movie. Oh, Scooby-Doo would be awesome. Scooby-Doo, Army of Darkness, I'd be all over those. We haven't been on in two months, and I think I shocked everyone.
    45:26
    Everyone's appalled at you. Yeah. They've already turned us off because they're like, well, there goes that. That's okay. He had turned on the mic and shit on Charlie. I did not shit on Charlie. Fuck you, man. That's right. You shit on Bug. Bug created the game. Fuck you, too. I love Bug. I love you, Bug. All right. So, Corwin, you're a great young man, and you're making way more about a pinball than Ian. Absolutely, 100%. Could you imagine what I would make? Oh, my gosh. Mine would be fugly, too. Don't get me wrong. It would be Big Charlie and Little China with stick figures.
    45:59
    It's just because we can't draw. That's not fair. Francie, where are you at? Yeah, Francie. Hello, Francie.
    46:06
    Is this on? No, what did you think about the layout and stuff? oh hang on Glenno had an idea re-theme a Mando for Child's Play that would be interesting and put the Chucky doll on the back yeah that's interesting yeah that'd be good way to go Glenno why don't you get started on that now where were we I'm sorry I asked you what you thought about the layout to try your feel of it I like when people get a little brave and try new things like eat ice cream with their shirt open.
    46:44
    That ain't new, brother. I'm pretending it is. Every night. No, I think it's cool that they're trying something really different, like those hedges. Yes, I understand what you're saying. Maybe it was a small scene in there. But the fact that they put some 3D creativity into this game really speaks... The fences, right? They were like little fences that... You could have just put a plastic there that had the chain link printed on it. They actually made little plastic fences. Yeah, when they showed that one teaser with the Judith gravestone with the fence in the background, I thought that was a photo of a real fence. No, that's what I'm saying because I'm guessing it's like 3D printed plastic, but that takes a lot of time, right? And like I said, they could have just as easily put a plastic there and made it look like a fence, but they didn't.
    47:37
    So things like that, I guess Spooky a ton of credit. Cheeky pinball. Tuesday, Child's Play? Could be fun, as long as Trudeau ain't involved. Oh.
    47:49
    Boom, boom. And those are our fans, folks. I love it. Oh, man. So anyway. But just, like I said, so those little touches. The sculpting, yeah. Yeah, the sculpting. Michael Myers popping out, pretty badass. I mean, they could have, they could have went the route of having, like, say, Herman Munster,
    48:09
    right? Yeah. Just have, like, a bash toy. They could. And it wouldn't have been as much fun. Yeah. Here he pops out, you know, so. Sorry, I just thought of, like, buy on site horror movie for me would be Dawn of the Dead from 1978. Dawn of the Dead in the mall. 1978. It had to be black and white? No, it was a color. Oh, Dawn of the Dead. Yeah, okay. Dawn of the Dead was black and white from 60 something, 68, I don't know. But anyway, yeah, Dawn of the Dead in the mall. Boom. Good night, my love. I love you so very much, and no, I won't drink too much, I promise. Is that what she asked you? She just cares about me.
    48:46
    She cares about me and my ice cream nipples. What is happening? Everything. All right. This is what the show does.
    48:57
    So, yeah. So I think it's really cool what they did there, and we'll just see how it goes. Yeah, I can't wait. but it's already sold out so who the fuck cares sort of on the same horror line but not quite so Ghostbusters right yeah so I get this Ghostbusters and you know how Zach always has that stupid screaming sound and that's the goat sound yeah that's from Ghostbusters right well is it yeah it's a screaming goat it's not really a goat no shit it's not okay so are you sure it's not a goat well let me just tell my story and then I don't know what the fuck his thing is but thank you for the cheer brother So I didn't put any of this together. No more child's play. So I'm going in the settings, and I'm messing with shit on my machine, right? I'm doing all these mods and doing different things, whatever. So I'm going through the settings, and it says scare mode. And by default, it's on. But it was off, right? So I'm like, oh, cool. So I click on. And I have no idea. I've heard some people talk about it. I never really gave it much thought. So, and for you guys who are out there and know what I'm talking about, this might not be, but it freaked the shit out of me. So I put this thing on. I start playing the next game.
    50:13
    And then at some point during the game, for you guys who don't know, what happens is the game goes dark. The flippers die. I think they die. I couldn't remember. And then this woman comes on the DMD, and she just shrieks at you, and her skin falls off.
    50:31
    and it's a very unsettling scream. Yes. And Dwight Sullivan giggles every time he hears something like this because that was his idea. And I turned that shit off because I was like, fuck this. I'm not going to do this late at night when I'm whatever. Like I said, it wasn't scary. It was just unsettling. So whatever. Fuck that shit. It's off.
    50:54
    But, no, it's a woman's skin peeling off in this really loud fucking shriek. Very cool. I'm into it. Bone chilling. Scary. We were just corrected. I just want to let everyone know out there. Rachel says, I think it's hilarious. Funny for you. Ha, ha, ha. I want everyone to know that Spooky directly is sold out. However, contact your distributor. See if they have any more Halloweens. Yeah, they said every distributor, there's only like six or seven, I think, Spooky distributors. I would love a Halloween, though, guys. Don't get me wrong. I would love to have one down here. But, you know, I'm just saying, I have to shoot it first. It scares me that many play for it. I don't want to get too far off the rails, but because... Too late. Yeah, whatever. It's the Four Man's Pinball Podcast. We were born off the rails. Tiki Pinball, the stream is the best in Ghostbusters. You can have it back, Tiki Pinball. I love the game, though.
    51:48
    So, if your dream theme comes out, okay, and the game isn't great and it's good, Tim Lee, I love the stream. Yeah, I don't like it.
    51:58
    do you buy that game? Ian, I'm talking to you. Sorry, I'm reading chat. What was the question? If your dream theme comes out or one of your top five dream themes comes out and the game is good but not great, do you buy the game?
    52:17
    Oh, you know what, man? With my freaking nostalgia and my color blinders over my eyes, man, you can sell me a fucking shoebox right now and it just has duct tape and something. Magic Marketer. Big Trouble in Little China. And I'll be like, all right, I'm selling Deadpool. I didn't mean that.
    52:37
    What is that? Off the rails? Are there any rails? Yeah, because there's never been a rail on the show. I could never buy a game without playing it first. I don't think I could do it. Well, I've done it several times, Rachel. It's fine. It's okay, Rachel. It'll be fine. It's fine. You know what you like in pinball. So when you look at layouts in games, you could pretty much tell whether you're going to like it or not. I scream, you scream, Drew screams for ice cream.
    53:03
    Oh, that's good. Oh, that's good, that's good. Dr. John, that's how we ended up with Stranger Things, absolutely. Sorry, Glenna, the only pinball tournament my wife played in, it screamed at her. She was so confused. It does. Like I said, it stops, all the lights go off, and it just fucking screams at you. So, pretty funny. but anyways okay moving on absolutely get crazy so you'd buy Halloween Ultraman you have any interest in that no not at all but I'm not saying that's not it's just such a niche thing and I get it and I again love the art I love how approachable it looks I think they did a great job and I can tell that that was a passion project and you know now that one's going to go up in value because there's only 500 of them Absolutely. And Ultraman, I mean, I know there's thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of fans. So, no, not for me, but I'm happy they made it. And any time Charlie can make a dream team of his, why not? That's why he's doing all this hard work. Sorry, Cavalier, at Drew and Ian, how many cheese slices?
    54:11
    We got Halloween and we got Ultraman. Cheese slices. What do you give Halloween the total package? Just overall.
    54:19
    Thank you, Jeremy, for reminding us about the cheese slices. Appreciate it. We're a little rusty. We're back, baby. Cheese, cheese, cheese. Overall package for Halloween and Ultraman, I will give it a combined. Each one, each one. Oh, God. All right. Halloween, 45 cheese slices. Okay. Cheese. Our scale. For you new listeners out there, our scale is very scientific. It changes every week. It changes every game, actually.
    54:54
    Ultraman, I'm going to go with, now this is a game I don't care for. I wouldn't say care for. I just don't know much about it, and I don't care to know much about it. But because it's Charlie's dream theme, I'm going to support Charlie because you guys think I hate him. I'm going to go 50.
    55:13
    Ian's pooping on Charlie again. 45 for Halloween. 54 wow Ultraman go for it Ben um so Halloween once again isn't a theme that's really on my radar but looking at the package the beautiful art the cool layout ooh well Ian's at 45 you know I'm gonna give Halloween 50 oh Halloween that bitch well you know and like I said that's saying a lot because like I said I could you know I guess I could give two shits about Halloween. I mean, the movie's fine, but it's just not really on my radar.
    55:51
    And then as far as Ultraman, like I said, I never even knew it existed. But looking at how well it's integrated into that, and yeah, the art on there. You know, I'm just going to give it the same 50 slices because I just think that... This is why you're liberal, folks. I'm joking.
    56:08
    He's a socialist. He wants everything the same. Okay, 51 for Ultraman. I'm kidding everybody I know what he really likes I like ice cream in bed when I'm half naked I know it I've seen it from an aesthetic standpoint I think they're both very stunning games and like I said they tried to put a lot into these and you know if they and Charlie alluded to this some of his earlier games and Charlie didn't design this one this isn't a Charlie design And, you know, he's like, you know, Alice Cooper, they had limited time on because of various reasons. So, like, he's like, you know, he wished he would have had more time to go back, tweak a few things. You know, you always think you can do better, right? Absolutely. I could only imagine. Yeah, Rob Zombie, he mentioned that. He said in one of the interviews, he said, you know, he goes, I enjoy Rob Zombie. But he goes, same thing. You know, there's always things you thought you could do a little better. So I just think this is the next evolution for Spooky. and as long as they can get better and these shots aren't too tight and they're, you know, approachable, then I think they'll have a home run in their hands. I do. We all love that company, and well done, guys. And should we give them applause? Let's do it.
    57:27
    All right, we love you guys. We'll give you a hawk and... Always support the locals. Well, locals to us, but you guys should support them too because they're awesome.
    57:41
    So, yeah, very cool. Kaz says, you can tell it's spooky as trying new ideas, while Stern is not very innovative lately. That's true. Kaz, once again. That's a good point, Kaz. They have, you know, Dwight Sullivan's talking in all these interviews about how, like, you know, we want to make the best game possible, which I'm sure he does, as, you know, as the coder, as a designer. They do, but they're still strapped by that bomb. They are. That is the biggest thing with Stern. They have a very specific bomb. It's been told time and time again. They got to adhere to it. You're going to get what you get. It's like the Deadpool button, boom button, you know, George Gomez. He has this, you know, this button on his desk, and the second they want to do something crazy, he hits the button. Bam! And he says, no, we can't do that. Sorry. The Grogu is not moving.
    58:32
    But no, very cool, man. Darren has to answer to shareholders. Charlie just answers to his wife. That's true, Dr. John. That's a universal truth, Dr. John. It is. You were wise beyond your years, sir. Fliptronic. If the profit flow ain't broke, why fix it? Yep. No, it's very true. If you keep selling out all these and you keep making more games and people keep buying them, sure. There's no reason. So, you know, they'll keep doing what they do. What else? What else is happening in the pinball world? Well, let's do a quick little commercial for our friends over at Flippin' Out. since they're our one and last sponsor almost.
    59:07
    Dropping like flies. And we're going to refresh the cocktails, all right?
    59:16
    All right. Hello, audio listeners. We're refreshing our cocktails. The cocktails are getting refreshed.
    59:26
    Oh, man. How are you doing? How are you feeling? I'm feeling strong. I'm feeling good. How about you? I'm doing all right.
    59:33
    I wasn't too hard on them, was I? Alright, good. I know the audio is still on, everybody. They're right here, dude.
    59:44
    Where is our... Hello, everybody. It does look... It looks fucking weird, though. I'm sorry, everybody. Sorry, everybody. Not the one we're used to.
    60:08
    I guess just turn it into one big song. Now when did you last see us? That's a good word. Quickly close all your eyes.
    60:23
    Imagine worlds full of wonder. Wire forms over and underlay. I feel the pasta's lying dry. A whole new world.
    60:39
    Where Cinderella lost her shoe. Where Baby and Pepper go with Pinocchio. And the princess meets Prince Charming. A whole new world. Where Ariel sang in Dumbo's flume Dr. John, we need that poster. I'll do a truth pick on it.
    61:08
    Let me share a Disney pin Let me share this Disney dream I miss Bar Cam. Oh, Bar Cam. It was a good idea. It's not over. I still got the camera somewhere.
    61:24
    You got cameras everywhere. We have one camera. Everywhere. Well, we can do a bar cam again. Bar cam's a real thing.
    61:40
    What do you want to do for the rest of the show? No fucking clue. Like I said, my audio listeners, my notes were just at... Right now, they're listening to a song. They're not hearing us. We're just kind of shooting the shit and figuring out what we want to do next. I'm not kidding, though. When I was listening to episode 100, I was seriously crying. Because I can't remember what the content was, but yeah, I just heard you and me doing this. And it was just so fucking funny. You know what? I'm going to go find that audio and I'm going to record it because it's too good not to share.
    62:16
    Got it. Yeah, and then that, like I said, just dawned on me because I had to really listen to it. Because, you know, obviously I don't listen to that a lot. Yeah. Right, but we lived it. Yeah, well, sure. And then I'm like, I'll just listen to it, you know, because we haven't been around for a while. I can open my Deadpool docker. You want to do that? Yeah, let's do that. I dig that idea. All right. I didn't buy anything else. We had a whole other week to buy some other shit. No, but let's, yeah, we'll explain it to them. We'll show them what you did, and we'll see if they want more. All right, here we go. Perfect. Three, two, one.
    62:48
    And we're back. Oh, man, we got cheese slices. We got Skittles. I know. Thanks for the song, man. He says, I've got to do shorter parody songs. No, man, we need long ones. No, we need to figure out what we're going to do on the show. Yeah, we're like, what's next? I don't know. That's a free show right there, baby. It's been two months.
    63:06
    So I was coming up with all sorts of different ideas for the show while we were off Drew I didn even tell you one of my ideas and I won say it on the air But Ian and I did talk about this next one so Ian going to kind of explain it He got one item for this. Sorry, we did read about you guys missing the bar game. It'll come back. We've got to figure it out. But I want to implement it even better. But go ahead, Drew. Sorry. so no so anyway being and I were talking and he kind of came up with this idea because you know how like you know toppers are really expensive right everyone knows that like these toppers have just gone toppers are crazy expensive and what's the name of our show poor man poor man's podcast poor poor poor yep poor should be underlined in everything we do really should especially because we buy so much pinball shit we are automatically poor Sorry, while we were doing Glenno's song, you know, Glenno said he missed Bar Cam. Ian said, well, you might bring that back. But then Dr. John, he wants that poster altered with my pick on it. Yes, that would be Gary. Dr. John, that might happen. Yeah, it would be scary. Zingy, zingy.
    64:17
    Zingy, zingy. I'm over there. So anyways, Ian kind of came up with this idea about toppers, so go ahead and tell them what it is. I saw it at Walmart, basically. It was what sparked this idea. Has anyone seen someone make a homemade topper, put their favorite stuff from that theme on a pinball machine? So this is what we're going to do. Now, this is a test run. See how you guys like it. I don't know how it's going to go, but here is the idea. The idea is we scour the Internet, and if you guys want to help us, that'd be great. And we try to buy up the cheapest, shittiest things. We put a $40 limit on it. $50? $40, $50 limit. So $50 or less. But there's so much crap coming from China. There's so much stuff on the internet. We can buy a lot of things that we could make it put as toppers on pinball. They don't necessarily need to be a $1,200 Stern topper, right? So with the limit of $50, we decided we were going to just go ahead and just start looking at the internet and just start buying random things for people's toppers. and then we'll rate them on our topper cheese scale, which is somewhat similar to cheese slices. Sure, sure. But the cool thing is, obviously we only own so many games.
    65:40
    We'll give them out as gifts. I think that'll be the fun part. We'll be able to give it out to someone who actually owns the game. He doesn't own the Turtles. I don't own the Turtles. But lots of people own the Turtles. There's lots of shit out there, Turtles related. So we can buy it, and we only want to – Like sets, et cetera. We only want to give these to people who have the game. They're going to put it on their game, and they're going to take pictures of it. Yes. Poor man's pinball topper.
    66:05
    Gladwell's already writing a song for it. We didn't tell him to write a song. But I think this is going to be fun because what the hell, man? So I was at Walmart the other day, Drew, and this is where I came up with the idea. I found this in their collectible aisle for $40. I found a Deadpool possible topper. I'm excited. I haven't seen this yet. I haven't seen it either. Okay. been in the box for three weeks now. Okay. All right, let me go get it. We'll open it up, and we're going to see what this topper looks like. Now, for those of you listening at home, we're going to do our best to describe this topper. We'll take pictures of it. We'll put it on Facebook.
    66:41
    Tell us what you guys think of our topper. So, yeah, I have a Deadpool. Well, this will be my topper. What we might do is just, you know, like I said, you guys can send in some photos, you know, from the internet, whatever, what game it's for, obviously, and then we can, yeah, we can have a vote. So what do you guys think? Yeah, anyway. In chat. Do you think it's a good idea? I think it's going to be stupid. It's going to be great. Steven Silver, I want to... We can buy a lot of stupid shit for this. Free eating ice cream topper. I think... Drew eating ice cream topper. I'll get you a Heist topper, no problem. There's lots of criminal toppers out there, right?
    67:13
    Glennon likes the idea. Rachel likes the idea. Phobetronic, it is not the talking head. The talking head, we discussed that. For you guys who don't know, the talking head, there's a Deadpool head. It's like $50, $60, $80, whatever it is. There's a real cool talking Deadpool head that people have put on their game, and it's really awesome. But this is not it.
    67:35
    This is Deadpool riding his signature unicorn. So I got this at Walmart. It says it contains unlimited happiness.
    67:47
    So it's Deadpool riding a unicorn. It's Marvel. It's a Q-Fig Max figurine. um no idea what that means oh this does kind of open oh i could have peaked i guess but let's open this fucker up and see what it looks like and this is going on his machine and uh no that kevin is not on i meant to tell you when you're done with deadpool it's coming to my house yeah absolutely i already i already know that okay that's funny i only have so much room you're getting laser war motherfucker laser war is being we are opening yes i gotta fix that too A lot of packaging. The box was promising, but as you open up the packaging, it gets smaller, kids.
    68:29
    Caution. Unknown to cause joy in humans. Or known to cause joy in humans. Fantastic. It does look impressive. The packaging is nice. All right. Here we go. Ready? Drum roll, Drew. Sorry. The back of this, just looking at the form, it looks like some sort of sex toy. There's definitely sex toy vibes I'm getting from this black packaging.
    68:48
    But I'm excited. Are you guys listening to this at the edge of your seats? Are you pulling over your cars? Because I'm not watching you at the crash. Well, it just lost $3,000 future dollars in value.
    69:00
    Yep, we're tearing this bitch open. One day. I will shove this up my booty hole. Oh, my God. There it is. All right. Actually, that's pretty badass. So it's a little, for you guys at home, it's a... This is really cool. Hold on to that. Wow. It's cool. It's like a hard PVC plastic. Yeah, it's cool. It's molded like rubber plastic PVC. Yeah. It's got Deadpool riding a unicorn with a katana. This is actually... And the katana's pointed out. He's like charging. And he's on this unicorn.
    69:35
    And the unicorn is farting the rainbow. And it's got all these clouds and stars and shit. And it's got the rainbow and the stars are like screaming. Because the one here, he's flying off screaming. Oh, yeah, he is screaming. It's got a little Deadpool star. And it's the same unicorn that's on the game itself in the video animation.
    69:56
    Keep talking. No, no, no. I think it looks really, really good for what it is. Now, it is on the smaller side. Drew, throw it on there and see what we're looking at.
    70:07
    Oh, man, we're going to need at least 18 more. If you had, like, four of those. Four. Like, different things. Four different types of this thing. Now, for a $40 topper, Drew, what do you think?
    70:23
    I feel like it needs to say Deadpool somewhere on it, right? I think if you have, like, a Deadpool plastic. Yes. That might be okay, then. We got to look up Deadpool plastics. Yes. But we're already, well, we have $10 to look up a Deadpool plastic. Oh, boy. But I would say.
    70:41
    Can the cameras show the game? Okay. What's that? It says, can the cameras show the game? I don't know what that means. He needs to turn the camera to show the game so you can see it on top of the game.
    70:53
    Hang on. We're turning on Deadpool. The game's not on right now. We're turning it on. We are going to attempt something new on the 4-Minute Spinball Podcast. We are moving the camera midstream.
    71:04
    We are crazy. Yep, set her in the center. I broke it. So what just happened was Ian was trying to slide it to the center. I'm too short. And he hit foul. It's okay. We're okay. There you go. There's his ass. Oh, Jesus. Yep. Yeah, you can see it. Does it look blurry? No. Right there. Perfect. So there's Deadpool still riding his unicorn. Yep.
    71:35
    So, yeah, Ian dropped it. Almost broke his glass. That would have been something. It's not that heavy. He's got a bunch of shit from fixing his creature all over, so we're trying again. Okay, so now it is in the center of the game. We are going to attempt to turn the camera so you guys can see it. It actually doesn't look bad, but it is a little small. That is the problem. So zoom in there a little bit. Oh, there you go. If you put a light on there and you had, like, a Deadpool, like I said, like, plastic or a, hmm. Oh, you know what, Ian? Maybe just, like, a six or eight inch katana blade behind it. Oh, that's terrible.
    72:20
    Who's the cameraman? It's too small. That's what she said. So, I don't know. I mean, we're kind of digging this idea. It's a really cool statue, but it's just not big enough. Not big enough. If it was, what, twice that size, would you say?
    72:38
    I don't know, dude. If it was twice that size, it would probably be perfect, but, you know, as like with most women, it's just not big enough.
    72:47
    Oh, I got jokes. You need some LEDs to add lights as cars. Yep, I totally agree. Like I said, you could... No budget. Exactly. That's the problem. Like, you could spend a little more money. You could make this into something, which actually is kind of neat. But I think this idea of ours has some legs. We just need to – No, please slice that. I think we got – hang on one second here. All right. That was fucking ridiculous. Sorry. Mike Williams said zoom in a little more. We're done with that. I'm done with that shit, Mike. Eric, this is Deadpool. We'll take some pictures of it and put it on our page, right? Absolutely. That's pretty cool, though. For a figurine, it's about as badass as you can get.
    73:34
    You are a terrible at photography. Why do you always say that? Look how dark it is. Look how dark you are. I'm not that dark. Don't worry. We have professional lighting here. We can get a better picture. What's wrong with my picture? Because you're towards the light. You've got to be on this side. It's fine, Ian. Whatever. Oh, God. This is worse than my wife. We're going to figure this out together. This is like my wife. You never help out around the house, and then I help out, and she's like, you're doing it wrong. Oh, come on, man. That's an age-old debate in this household, man. Don't even start with that one. Those fork tongs aren't facing the right way. Cheese slices, I would say overall design is about 100 cheese slices, but I will have to subtract because of the size. Yeah. We're going to have to go down to, ooh, big drop. I'm going to go 37 cheese slices, but it's not bad. It's a very cool Deadpool item. Yes. And it fits the theme. Good for your desk. Yes. Not a pinball machine. No. So this one gets canceled. Oh, sorry, Deadpool.
    74:41
    Hope your daughter likes Deadpool. No, it's going up on the... I got a story about that. Yo. I also bought a gizmo. Hold on. Let me grab a gizmo. Oh, man. uh similarly I got drunk on vacation and ordered a Deadpool topper from Zach I like this one yeah Deadpool toppers ooh Josh Mudd it's the Mogwai so anyway alright so I have I was at Walmart and I saw the Deadpool and I thought of the idea right so I buy the Deadpool thing and then right next to it was friggin Gizmo Mogwai from Gremlins how much was the Mogwai it was cheap it was like on clearance or whatever oh really yeah it was super cheap That's a cool-looking mogwai. It is nice. I never owned one, so now I have it. And my daughter loves the mogwai, loves Gremlins, the movie. She's three. She loves spooky stuff. She likes scary stuff.
    75:35
    So when I tell her I have a present for her, I'm all excited about it. I'm like, oh, dude, she's going to love the mogwai.
    75:41
    So I have it behind my back. I was going to give it to her. I was like, but Vera, you know, my daughter's name. I was like, Vera, this present comes with rules. What are the three rules? And then I was like, you don't get them wet, no bright lights, and you can't feed them after midnight. And she lit up. She was like, oh, my God, is that a gremlin, she said. So I give it to her, and it's gizmo, and she's super excited.
    76:08
    So I think dad of the year, right? Pretty sure, dad of the year. You're on your way to your first Swippy for dad. Yeah, dad of the year. I'm thinking, I got this in the bag. but as the night goes on things start to change my daughter starts to think about it a little bit more and now my daughter honestly thinks if she gets it wet my god or if it gets fed she's three it'll turn into gremlins and we'll all die that's her fear she by the time we went to bed she was terrified she said daddy can you take it away i was like you want me to bring it back to the store, she's like, yeah, I don't want it, I'm scared, I'm like, I showed him like where the batteries go, I was like, it's a fucking toy, anyway, long story short, back down to where I was before, not great, it's not great, it's not great, but, you know what, now the bar has a Mogwai, so I'm pretty excited, I kept it down here, hey, Mogwais are awesome, I've always been a fan of Gremlins, dude, you ever watch that movie, my daughter loves, my daughter loves spooky but not scary so there is a very distinct difference between spooky and scary and i never thought about it it's like the the mind of a three-year-old right you don't think about it you think ah it's fucking scary as shit or you know you don't think oh that's just spooky not scary but there's a big difference and my daughter loves spooky stuff but all on out scary stuff not a big fan so when i put on gremlins you think in your head gremlins are i'm trying to think is it really that bad no i just remember a bunch of silly scenes right i remember gizmo in the car driving around i think all the funny things oh yeah put it on like every other fucking 80s movie and early 90s movies are the same way they're all just like goofy and then some stupid like that scene that's way too graphic for what it should have been absolutely like the science teacher gets like impaled by a bunch of uh or by a, how do you kill them? It turns quickly. A ring, you know, like it's ridiculous.
    78:12
    But anyway, murder, death, mayhem, the gremlins. My daughter loves it so much. So anyways, yeah, good thing with this topper. This one didn't work out, but maybe the next one will. All right, I'm going to keep this one, but the next one we'll probably send out because I'm going to start scouring the Internet for very cool topper things. Oh, so now I have to look for Ghostbusters stuff, maybe some Star Wars stuff. I bet you we could find some cool Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles stuff. I bet Stranger Things stuff would be cool.
    78:47
    Yeah. There's a lot of things up. There's a lot of different themes. Mandalorian stuff? Yeah. Because Stranger Things, you could do a lot of just cool 80s stuff, you know, if you just have some.
    79:00
    Yeah. So, enjoy Tron or TNA Topper. Well, there you go, Fliptronic. You can make your own Tron or TNA Topper. TNA wouldn't be that hard, man. I'm sure there's lots of nuclear blast kind of toys. Yeah. Like decorations, lamps and shit that are like nuclear blast. If not, there should be, because that would be kind of cool. Mushroom cloud lamp. There you go. I'm inventing shit as we talk. Yeah. This is it. I want an Ian crafted topper, though, says Fliptronic. well alright brother stay tuned that crappy shit I'm buying stupid stuff from the internet we'll try to get yeah you think we're spending time on this is like every other segment we come up with an idea if it takes too much time we dump it right away Ian and I don't have time for that except for love letters but Drew just can't come up with love letters so he bitches at me every time I'm just gonna I'll call Glenn loves it Glenn will write my love letter for me there you go Glenn start writing five love letters you can be is, you know. My muse. My love letter muse.
    80:05
    Sorry, go on. Did someone say love letters? What do you call a pen name? He can be your pen name kind of thing.
    80:13
    Like a shadow author or whatever those are called. Ghostwriter. Fuck you. Yeah. Not everything's Marvel, Drew. No, I'm joking. I know what you're saying.
    80:23
    You can joke, everybody. Yeah, nobody cares. The gun smoke's happening. You know what? Tiki-taka. The spinning arcade sign would be cool for Stranger Things. I was thinking that, because like I said, you don't need a Stranger Things thing. You just need something from the 80s and that arcade sign. Yeah, that's pretty badass. You just stick it on there and have it rotate.
    80:44
    $50 limit. We can do it, Drew. But you know what? I'd like to do two at a time, though. We both have to come up with some stuff. All right. Like, we should just buy a bunch of shit and just go through it one day. I think that'd be fun. I already have drawers of that shit that I haven't opened. Exactly.
    81:01
    Well, look at how much for an AT-AT. Original or maybe even a newer one? The originals out of the box are like $150, $180. Okay, too much. Yeah. How about a new one? Out of the box, probably you can get one for $50. Let's see. There you go. We're going to talk about it.
    81:22
    Because I have that one. I thought about unboxing it and doing something with it. but too lazy. No worries, man. Yeah. And you got a Star Wars. I have an AT-AT in the box, original, and it's sitting on top of my Simpsons game, which is next to my Star Wars game. It drives me nuts.
    81:42
    Just because I didn't have room for it anywhere else. I just shoved it up there when I was cleaning one day, and I just hadn't taken it down, so now my Simpsons has an AT-AT on it. Appropriate.
    81:54
    What else? I don't think I can put links in here. So, Steven Silver, search Pinside for Tron interactive backboard display. Yeah, those interactive backboard displays are cool. Like the one for Twilight Zone, right? Oh, dude. What else do they do? Yeah. Apparently they did Tron. He's going to do a creature. Some of those guys, yeah. Copy over on Pinside. Look at his shit. He did a backboard. What other games did he do it for? Backboard. He's doing it for Twilight. He just got done with Twilight Zone. You can still order that. But he also has Theater of Magic. But they're basically LCD backboard displays that have – it's cool because they break it down into folders. Like you can go in and customize – wait, no, I'm thinking. What is the hardware? You can customize. Well, it's an LCD board that you literally put in the back box, and it interacts with the game.
    82:55
    It's very much reminiscent to the Mike D mod for Creature. Okay, so it's an LCD screen, essentially. Yeah, that goes in the back board. Copy makes them. He does a fantastic job. He works with, I think he works with Spooky on a lot of their animation stuff, too. So he's known very well in the pinball circle. He does this for a living. But his shit's fantastic.
    83:18
    Rumor is he's going to be announcing a game soon. Hint, probably Creature. So if you want a new update on your Mike D mod, Compy, I think, is working on one. But right now, that's what Compy does. That's just so cool. It is cool, man. Guys have a lot of fucking talent on Pinside. They have a ton of talent. No, every time I see some of those must-have mods, It's Color DMD. Steven Silver. We just released the Tron one, and I did the animations for it. Oh. There you go. So, Steven Silver, are they going to just keep making more and more games for this? If they have space, I think. Yeah. It depends on the game. Yeah, I guess you're right. Because Copy's going to make one for Creature, but it's not going to be a backboard one. It's going to be for the Swamp, where the Creature is, the hologram. Okay. Yeah. He's going to do his own version of that. Okay. But I'm pretty sure now, Mike Williams, correct me if I'm wrong, but you can kind of adjust that, right? Like you can add different things to that if you want.
    84:25
    It's customizable from what I understand. Steven Silver says, I can't speak to specifics, but yes. Because, yeah, I'm just thinking about all these games that have these beautiful visuals and just could really use that. Well, right. You have games that were made in the 90s and the 80s that have fantastic themes, even 2000s. And they're all just black in the back. And you think about what the LCD can bring to a pinball machine, a la Wizard of Oz. And when that happened, it kind of blew everyone's freaking ball sacks. Sorry, Rachel. Sorry, Mike Williams says, yes, you can. It's fully customizable. Yeah, fully customizable. So I think it's very, very, very, very cool to be able to bring new technology into older games. And that's what modding should be. So when you get yours, there should be an animation of me on the bed eating my ice cream. There usually is.
    85:16
    Nobody buys our mods, but we give them out for free. Yeah, so what I did for my – I've been getting more cost-effective with some of my mods.
    85:26
    It's true. Well, you can only go down from what you were doing. That's true. But what I did for what I'm doing, I got it in the mail for Shadow. So the back box on Shadow, the back board is black, right? Yes. And they sell the cityscape. It looks cool. But I was like, go ahead. No, no, no. I was just going to say, everybody, by the way, Drew bought that Shadow for a deal. And it has the artwork on the back, which is so badass. And I still have the original Alec Baldwin. I think I'm going to frame that and put that in a wall in the basement. All you got to is Alec Baldwin.
    86:04
    Then I'm going to send it to him first and say, has anyone ever asked you to sign this? Because maybe no one has, right? I bet you I can get that. How the fuck are you ever going to meet Alec Baldwin, though? I'm going to send it to him. We're best friends. Oh, you got his address. Yeah. You're the one. Yep, I'm that guy. I'll send it to his brother, Billy Baldwin. I ain't going to ask him anything.
    86:24
    Sorry. So I found this, like, you know, I saw some people that were doing, like, these cool brick patterns because, you know, it's the brick wall and the shadow and the sanctum. So I was like, cool. So I found, like, this brick pattern decal, you know, a big one, and I just cut it to size. You know, there's just the three flash lamps there. Unscrew them, stick it on there, put them on, I'm good to go. Nice. Cheap. Yeah, I think it was like $10. Cheap. So, yeah. You modding. Yeah. You're so sexy. Because I'm amazed there's not a lot of mods for Shadow, believe it or not. I believe it, but I think it also is one of those games that was under the radar until Zach Manning just did nothing but talk about Shadow for years. Yeah, it's still a B-list title, you know, based on price and everything else. Yeah, I'd like to come and play a little bit more of that one. Yeah, it's awesome. The one at District 82 is phenomenal, like everything. All right, so guys, let's talk about what do you guys want to do? Cavalier mods cost effective well for mods no there's no such thing as a cost effective mod we're buying boxes of lights Jeremy for like thousands of dollars what's cost effective anywhere nothing so let's do a happy hour Drew this is where we bring the questions to the people don't need them it's a masterpiece it's time for happy hour here at poor man's pinball podcast and that can only mean one thing time to go look at the insanity that is the viewers comments all right so guys out there in chat what do you guys want to talk about or what do you guys want to comment on that we were kind of discussing.
    88:23
    Let's get crazy. Let's get wild. We don't have anything else for the rest of the show. We had two months to prepare for this show, and we have nothing. Yeah, you guys have been asking, when are we coming back on the air for two months, and now we have nothing.
    88:37
    I didn't even touch it this time. I'm going to turn Gizmo off. Gizmo wants to keep singing, and it's really, really cute. Oh, Rachel flips Eggo Box for a Stranger Things topper. There you go.
    88:52
    I like it. I like the idea. Oh, here we go. Fliptronic. Wait, Cavalier, you want to talk about pin swap?
    89:02
    Jeremy, we can talk about pin swap. That's not a bad idea. We won't spend a ton of time on pin swap. So the problem with pin swap, here's the thing. Drew wanted, it started off like this. Drew wanted to rent pinball machines as like a side hustle. right? When I was thinking of my career, I was looking for ways to make some money. Looking to make some money, right?
    89:24
    Which is cool, and we were talking about, well, there's not a real good way to rent out machines unless you just go to Facebook or Craigslist. There's not a single source where people can browse machines, right? So we decided it would be a cool idea to make kind of an Airbnb-style website that caters to pin swap, to pinball heads, to rent machines out. And I think you're doing a cool side business for a lot of folks. And, in fact, we kind of proved it, that there was a ton of people that wanted to kind of rent machines. All over the country. That was surprising to us. We didn't think we were going to have enough people that wanted to rent their machines out, because these are things that are expensive. They're going to be the ones in charge of moving the machines, setting them up, et cetera, et cetera. We thought we'd have a hard time getting people to put machines out there. We thought we would have, like, yeah, maybe 1,000 people, let's just say, just making numbers, like sign up to be users. To rent. Yeah, 1,000 people, 1,500, 2,000 people, you know, hey, yeah, I want to rent machines. This is great. And users just kind of started trickling in, and then people are like, hey, I'm putting 10 machines up for rent. I'm putting 12 machines up for rent. At one point, we had like 150 machines up for rent. Coast to coast, and some in Australia, in fact. And actually, we found the opposite was happening, was we had a lot of people interested in doing all the hard work, putting their machines up, driving their machines out, setting them up for people. I was doing my best. I tried every time somebody put a machine up for on-pin swap, I'd go on their local Craigslist. I said, hey, you have pinball machines for rent. check out Pinswap. We did a lot of work behind the scenes trying to generate some sort of interest for renters because I figured it would be no-brainer. If you were someone that was nostalgic for a certain era and there was a few machines in your area for rent, I just thought, well, what better way to experience pinball in your home than spend a few hundred versus a few thousand. That was the whole goal. And the fact that we cannot find fucking renters to save our lives. Nobody. There was, and we have, with the program we were using, the website we were using, we were able to look at, like, conversations between them. And funny enough, the majority of the conversation where people were like, hey, man, you looking to sell that shack attack? You know? There was a lot of selling going on behind the scenes. Not that any machines got sold. Like, it was sketchy, but it was just, it was shocking to us that we couldn't get people that actually were interested in renting machines. And that was, John put an Eggo box on top of his Stranger Things and took a picture. Nice. Thanks, Dr. John. But, no, it was just evident that it just wasn't either a. Jeremy says, would they rather own them? Yeah, we don't know. I mean, like I said, there was a point where, like, a month went by and we didn't have any new users. No new users and no conversations. But every week, more people were putting up games to rent. And we were getting more games. We were like, I'm sorry. I felt bad for some people. There was very few states that didn't have a game. Almost every state at least had someone with a couple hours of them or whatever. And Drew put a lot of fucking work into getting insurance. And we did find insurance, but here's the problem now. I mean, what would you guys do? We were faced with buying insurance, spending a shit ton of money on insurance. Spending probably $500 a month total for the website hosting, the insurance, all the shit. Yeah, everything. But you haven't had a conversation on your website in like three or four months. Like nobody was talking and we weren't getting answers. And I was like, maybe if things were progressing in a positive moment. Yeah, absolutely.
    93:32
    I wouldn't even say in a green because I wasn't looking to make money right away in the first year. Yeah, and fuck that guy who was making all those comments on Facebook. Yeah, fuck him. He was being a dick today. We weren't looking to be millionaires right out of the gate. But the problem was the interest just wasn't there. And I thought for sure it would be. It's one of those things, if it would have cost us $100 or $150 or $200 a month to operate, we would have probably tried it for another year or something. Yeah, definitely. But this thing could have cost us $6,000, $7,000, $8,000, $9,000 over the course of a year or more or whatever. And if you're not generating the income, it's just not something that I wanted to spend the money on. I mean, if we were getting conversations on a monthly basis, and if we were getting some things that were like really like we can hang our hat on and say we're creating this. This is a thing that's going to create and it's going to build. But, man, it was dead on arrival. It really was. And we've had a lot of talks. I mean, Drew, like I said, busted his ass trying to find insurance, and we did find insurance. That's not the issue.
    94:37
    We had to sell it to fucking pay for that fucking insurance, by the way. assholes want to charge us now even though we never used it Yeah it canceled and they don yeah whatever I mean the bill is not as major but it is what it is And we tried to do things the legal way too We hired lawyers and stuff and lawyer fees. There was a lot of things in there that we, because people were talking about, oh, we were going to get sued left and right and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, we had our own LLC. I mean, it was legit. We were trying to be as legit as we could, and we were trying to protect. That was the most important thing. We wanted to protect everybody. and at the end of the day, there just wasn't a lot of interest. Would you rather poop on a cold toilet seat in the woods or a warm toilet seat in the mall? Glenno, I don't know what.
    95:22
    Oh, cold. 100% cold. In the woods? Yeah, I don't mind pooping in the woods. Yeah, pooping in the woods is fine. That's an easy one, Glen. What's the matter with you? I thought you were from, like, Wisconsin. Sorry, Glenno says Van Gogh Tours coming to Nashville. That's cool, man, but you've got to have some edibles, brother. Yeah, he says, does that include gummies for the $40? No. Rachel, over the toilet. That's a girl thing. Yeah. Boys are either going to commit or not.
    95:50
    So that's FinSwap. In a nutshell, if you're listening, we loved it. We love the idea still. We just could not find people to rent machines for the life of us. And maybe there's someone out there that has a better idea on how to implement that. But we have lives and careers. Andrew had a career change. I actually had a bit of a career change myself. So things got out of hand. Yeah, it's been a pretty wild year for me personally. It was really good. It was really good for us to take that couple months off just because we have a lot of changes personally. Thanks, Rachel.
    96:27
    Happy to see you guys. Good show. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, we're back. What else do you guys want to talk about? Gledo did something on Facebook about video game themes. Oh, yeah. Gledo, you want to talk about video game themes, too? Yeah, let's do that. That was actually really cool. Yeah, what are you guys thinking about that? You know, this topic keeps coming up, and for the life of me, I do not know why every manufacturer is straying away from these. do you think it's the IPs, the licenses that are Before we get into that, Drew Rachel wants to see cheese slices for Mando. We didn't do cheese slices for Mando. We didn't? No, we did them for Halloween Alright, let me get back to cheese slices You can start us off, man So Mando has pretty good art Mando has really good shots and layout Mando's toys are a little lacking.
    97:28
    Mando has fairly good code and rules from what I understand. It's a pretty complete package. Let's see, I gave Halloween 50 and Ultraman 51.
    97:40
    I dig the theme a lot more than those other two and I got a chance to play it so nothing against those.
    97:49
    60 cheese slices. Oh, you had 60! It's a total package game that it is lacking on some toys and innovation, but the game, like I said, the package of the game is very solid.
    98:05
    Yep, eating those cheese. Eating the cheese slices, Drew. I would say, to your point, you liked it a lot more than I did.
    98:18
    It's another Stern game. But it's not a three-pop bumper, two-flipper ordeal. It's close. It is close.
    98:28
    Like I said, it's not a buy for me by any stretch. I'm going to go 30 cheese slices. 30 cheese slices out of nobody knows. So 30 cheese slices. I'm only doing that because it's a little vanilla. It's a little bland, but vanilla is my favorite ice cream. I don't mind it. But it's not something that I'm going to go out of my way and spend that much coinage on. But I will play it on location. and so we're going to go that route.
    98:59
    Okay. That's fair. And I'm giving Charlie and Bug a little bit of a bump because I haven't played it yet. I could change my mind. I could take some cheese slices away, motherfuckers. So it better play good, Bug. I didn't tell you about this. No, that's a good assessment. So straight down the middle, recently. Did they give out cheese slices? No. Oh, good. No, but they just did an episode called Who Wore It Best, And it was the pro versus premium debate, and they went through all these certain titles.
    99:28
    And about a week prior, I was thinking we should do that. And then I turn on YouTube one night, laying next to the wife, and I'm like, those motherfuckers. Yeah, yeah. A week ago. I have an idea, though. What's that? No, we're going to go into it after the show. But anyway, so video game, going back to the video game. Glenno. Yes.
    99:48
    Glenno, what do you guys think, man? What video game theme would make a great or excellent pinball machine?
    99:59
    I've gone on record. It's got to be 8-bit or 16-bit. So Glenn says Mega Man. Fortnite. Yeah. Print money. It would. But, yeah, Glenn also says... Is Fortnite, though, your pinball audience or the Fortnite audience?
    100:16
    Hmm. It's the Fortnite audience. Fortnite audience does not have the money to buy a pinball. I love the idea of Mega Man. Mega Man is perfect for pinball. Glenn and I talked about that, and he said that, and I was like, you know what? You're right. 100%. It wouldn't be my first choice, but yes, it is absolutely perfect for pinball. If you're a rule guy, oh my goodness. As they say, you collect the weapons. Collect weapons. You get better abilities as you progress through the game. There's not enough of that in pinball right now. Zelda is my dream theme. Zelda, Rachel Flip. Hang on, I'm glad I know which Zelda, though.
    100:52
    Me, I'm an 8-bit guy, but that's me. I would love an 8-bit game. Nintendo themes would be great for the hobby, Kaz. Absolutely they would. Wouldn't that be fun to do with, like, a Smash Brothers Nintendo theme? Just the game is, the pinball machine is Nintendo, and it's just a hodgepodge of Nintendo characters. Oh, it's just characters. Yeah. I could see that. I could totally see that. Super fun, though. But, yeah, no, I agree with you, Kaz. You know what? And I think the pinball gurus, they don't see that. I don't know why. But Nintendo is so fucking hot right now. I sold all my Nintendo games, my 8-bit Nintendo games, for stupid profit. Because there's such a market for Nintendo games. Those collectors out of this world.
    101:35
    All right, what do we got here? Yeah, and they did Mario Brothers, right? Yep. And he says, Mario, Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, Zelda. Yeah, there's Metroid. Yeah, any of those. A real Super Mario Brothers, yep. Kaz, fake cheese slices. Listen, all of our cheese slices are vague, Kaz, just so you know. It's been a while. Dave Brennan plays... Kaz, I give you two cheese slices for that comment. Fortnite, Minecraft. See, again, man, I have a hard time believing that these young kids are going to like this kind of shit. Yeah, but here's the thing.
    102:08
    Stearns, here's what I think is happening, okay? Well, a couple of things. This is weird. Dwight said Munster sold really well. Dwight Sullivan said that, which I'm sure it did. They probably sold a lot of them. Yeah. That's how it works. But I firmly believe that this hobby is starting to skew younger. Yeah, but younger. And what I mean by that, hang on. Exactly. Hang on. We're on the same page. Yeah. We're on the same board, man. So it's skewing younger, and younger meaning guys like us. We're so old. And by the way, my wife pointed out to me. Those 40-year-olds out there are the ones buying pinball machines moving forward. Exactly. So the 40-year-olds have young kids. Yeah. So that's where the Minecraft and the Fortnite will come into it. Yeah. Look no further than Tim Lee. Tim Lee's kids are teenagers or in college. Yeah. You know, his family decided on the Mando. And I get that. Okay. I get that. But I also don't feel like that's...
    103:07
    Here's the thing. What's an easier... If you got excited, all right, and your son wants to play a game that he's into, Are you going to get a game just based on what he likes or something that everybody's going to like? Well, like Zelda. He plays Zelda. Yeah, sure. I absolutely play Zelda. Yeah, and you would play Zelda. Yes. So in that case, Zelda would make sense. But Minecraft, he plays, you don't play it. No, that's fair. You're the one with the pocketbooks, Zelda. But I think there are a lot of dads that do, though. I get it. Let's see here, man. So Portal. See, there are games. All right, so I guess I'm not getting frustrated, but I'm trying to understand. Portal's another one. I don't know how many people that are in their 40s play Portal. Well, the thing about Portal is I don't know any 30-year-olds or 20-year-olds that have the money for pinball. Portal's not as big as Minecraft or Fortnite. So here's the thing. If you're talking about, let's just talk about video game licenses, right, not for pinball, just in general, right? What are the biggest video game licenses? Mario, period. Just Mario, right? Zelda.
    104:21
    Sonic's up there. Yeah. And I'm thinking Home Market, though. Fortnite, Minecraft. What else? That shit would make so much money on location, though. You guys are right, though. Now I'm thinking about it. Halo. See, Fliptronic said Halo. Halo's a good one. Same thing. Halo would make a ton of sense. Halo or Call of Duty. Yes.
    104:42
    Now, imagine if you made a Call of Duty game. How the hell would that be a pinball machine? Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. As we're looking at Deadpool. Doesn't fucking matter. You're right. It doesn't fucking matter. They'll figure it out. Exactly. They'll make like some. Reskinned special forces. Exactly. They'll put like some Humvee on there, right? They'll do some stuff. Raven. Yeah. Boom. Whatever. Yeah, they put a helicopter in there. Have you? You're golden. You're right in the found? You need to put a re-skinned Raven on. Just call it. And in Minecraft, Gary Stern is going to go like this. As you guys see, I'm doing my Mr. Burns impression. Yeah. That's a good point, man. Because Gary Stern is going to say this. I don't fucking get it. But we're going to make a bunch of plastics that look like blocks. Right? We're going to put it on there. Put it on the screen. Boom. We got Minecraft.
    105:32
    Am I wrong? Yeah. Let's go through some of these other things. Because we're getting into our own thing.
    105:37
    Let's see here. Mario Kart. Portal, Fortnite. Fortnite would sell in all our caves if it had a ticket to Spencer Mode. Flipchronic, you're 100% right. That's true. Let's see. Never mind.
    105:52
    World building would get old and complicated. Mike Williams, he's the one that said Minecraft. Nah, you know. CODs. CODs is kind of where I was thinking. Mario Kart. Zelda, Metroid. Because I feel like that's the home market. Those are guys our age that are going to be buying it all. Mario Kart, you make a game like Getaway, and you have some cool power-ups in there. Yeah. And you're just, yeah, it's a race game. Jeremy, a real Super Mario Brothers. Yeah, man. I mean, I think that would be a killer theme. Oh. Smash Brothers. FlipTronic, that's exactly what I was thinking. Smash Brothers would be a phenomenal moneymaker for a lot of different fucking reasons. One, you get all those little fun little clips of music from each character. to you have kind of a versus mode. So it's very a la Black Knight or Deadpool where you're going through the progression.
    106:47
    Sort of rage. Yeah, Smash Brothers makes a lot of sense to me. And you get all those iconic characters that would just kill and cause this arcade. Let's see what else. We got Zelda, Mario Kart. all eras of Zelda would be one in one pin. No, it's too much. Fucking Glenn. It's too much. All right, Glenn, you code that shit. Tell me how that goes for you.
    107:17
    All right, Fliptronic, one idea I've been peddling all over the place is Guitar Hero Rock Band with a buyable download content with band. He's not wrong. Same thing. 100% correct on that, man. You make a layout like Guns N' Roses, right, with a guitar? Internet connectivity, sir. You just copy them. You put a guitar on the play field.
    107:41
    And like I said, you have as many songs as you want. You just do that. Here, you're in this multiball. You're getting this song. You're doing this, right? God damn. That's a good idea, Fliptronic. It is. Ian, I still have my original Nintendo games. I can't believe you just sell that shit. It's not going to be worth much in 10 years, dude.
    107:57
    Fliptronic, Minecraft or Fortnite would sell if they were ticket redemption things. Yeah, you're right. Raw Thrills made a Minecraft game. Stern usually does the same things as Raw Thrills. That's true.
    108:09
    Let's see. Halo itself. Screw Games. Give me a He-Man based. I thought that was Josh Mudd for a second.
    108:17
    Based on the new Netflix series. We can talk about that a little bit, Mike Williams. I'm excited for that. They're taking He-Man and they're fucking upgrading it. More muscles. Did you guys watch the toys that made us on Netflix? So good. When they talked about He-Man, they were like, all right, we've got to beat Star Wars toys. Yes. What's the problem? Oh, kids want the power. All right. We're going to make someone that has the power. What else are they worried about? Oh, the toys are too small? Well, we're going to make them twice as big with more muscle. Yes. What else do we need? No, that's it? All right. Big muscle guy. Yep. He has all the power. Yeah. When you just look at a naked He-Man, you're just like, this is so ridiculous. Right? He twisted the waist. He's got his big torso. I'll give him this. Oh, my God. I love it. Skeletor is an iconic villain. Yes. Isn't that amazing? And it just goes to my point, and I'm sorry I'm going to say it a million times, a million fucking times. Your hero movies, your hero toys are only as good as your villain. G.I. Joe wouldn't be successful without Cobra Commander. He-Man would not be successful without Skeletor. You need a good fucking villain. You need an iconic villain. Name a movie that sucks because it had a shitty villain. Shadow. Boom. Done. There's no villain. X-Men only has Magneto. Spider-Man only has Green Goblin.
    109:44
    They have tons of villains. All shit villains, by the way. Spider-Man? Venom and Carnage? Don't give me that 90s stuff. Oh, okay. You're talking about the original. Well, we built the brand. Yeah. Electro and Batman. Man and Toot. You know? I know. Yeah. Scorpion. What's the owl guy? Oh, Vulture. Fuck him.
    110:06
    Fuck him. He's old, too. He's like 30 years old. Spider-Man barely made it. That's why he had to join the Avengers, just like Wolverine had to join the Avengers. How dare you. Iron Man has no good villains. He had to join the Avengers.
    110:20
    Name all the Avengers. They all had shitty villains. There's a thing, man. There's a formula. Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom. And Doctor Doom's iconic. In fact, Fantastic Four was a very well-known multiple movie bust. Mortal Kombat would also clean up 100% Sliptronic. Mortal Kombat is fantastic because, again, we have that same type of coding that's already built in. And it's never brought up because the first pin was so bad with Street Fighter. If they did a Street Fighter and did it justice, yeah.
    110:53
    Yeah, Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. Spooky would do a Five Nights at Freddy's or Silent Hill. Fuck yeah, they could. Five Nights at Freddy's would be awesome, by the way. Yeah. Let's see. I want a Lego Mario pinball machine. I keep saying it. No, a Lego pin. See, you're talking about with your... Michael Williams, reskin Raven and Call of Duty. See, Michael Williams and I, we are so behind on chat, but I am so... Yeah, you guys are way behind.
    111:17
    No, a Lego video game pin would kill. Choose any of the Lego properties. Choose a Batman. That's why I wanted a reskin. Style Den. Style Den could have been Lego. Choose Jurassic Park, but do it Lego style. It could have been the same fucking game. Yeah, you're right, Kyle. But only the reporter was in a Lego outfit. Like, oh, no, the city is in trouble. You're absolutely right. It would have sold twice as much. Yeah. Let's see. What else here? Boom, Battletoads, NBA Jam, Smash TV. Jeremy, you're on. Dude, you got to settle down with that list, man. Jeremy, calm the fuck down. My pants are getting a little tight here, and it's not because of the ice cream. That's a good list. Well, you know what? NBA Jam. Battletoads would be great. Dude, no way. Dude, Battletoads would be. They would never do it. It's not mainstream enough. Yeah, right. But Battletoads would be great. Zoom is. NBA Jam is. Smash TV was a ripoff of Arnold's movie, but still. If they brought a game like Fast Break, and they made it NBA Jam.
    112:20
    Sold twice as many. Oh, yeah. Sold twice as many. That would be badass. Yeah, Smash TV or Doom, I agree. Yeah, Battletoads isn't big enough. FG Zombie Dog, we're just talking about video games that can make great pinball. FG, welcome to the party. Today's just the trailer park boys. Wrong thread, buddy. It's cool.
    112:40
    I like both of those things, but it's not what we're fucking talking about. Well, he's just kidding. He's figuring it out. But, yes, those would both be good teams. I'd be fine with that. I plan to homebrew a Guitar Hero idea on P3. Good job, man. That'd be awesome.
    112:57
    Black Widow had a disappointing taskmaster. Oh, I was talking about the villain. Iron Man's villain was alcohol. Brad Paisley's superhero was alcohol. Love that move to that song. I want American Pinball to do Lego. Quake Pinball. Nine Inch Nails soundtrack. Where did you get that? MF LeTronic, you started so strong. Yeah. Quake would be good, kind of along the lines of Doom. Zoomer Quake, Duke Nukem. Now, Duke Nukem is Doom with attitude, and I like that idea. Yes, and humor. You might sell more Duke Nukem than Doom. You could. Yes, Duke Nukem. You could, kids. I love that game growing up because he had the humor. He had the one-liners. It's kind of like an army of dogs. FD Zombie Dog. Hiya, hiya. Rude, LOL.
    113:44
    We love you, dude. It's all good. But, no, I would say, shit, man, there's a ton of stuff out there. Oh, my God, Fliptronic. No, no. Leisure Suit Larry? Fliptronic. I would buy an L.E. Leisure Suit Larry, hands down. For all those old pervy dads. Oh, my God. Eating drooling.
    114:07
    So the first time I was exposed to Leisure Suit Larry, no pun intended, I was probably. They exposed themselves to you, sir. For you guys who don't know, and probably you young kids out there, Leisure Suit Larry. Old fogies. Laser Shoot Larry is a computer-based video game. God, it started in the... Apple II era. Yeah, late 80s, mid-80s maybe.
    114:34
    And they made, oh, God, 30, 20, 30 different games over the years. And it made a couple on Xbox, and it made its rounds. But the first one I was exposed to, I was probably like 10 years old, So this would have been 1990 after it had been out for a couple of years. And the graphics were, like, super pixelated. And it's all this adult, crude humor. And then, you know, they... You were masturbating so much to this. They would put, like, little... He's sweating.
    115:02
    His eyes are dilated. It was just so funny. And then, you know, then you get a little older. And then they kept making games. And the graphics got better. And it was just this great adult humor. But, yeah. Wow, thanks for bringing that up, Fliptronic. That's awesome. Leisure Suit Larry. How great would that be? Very obscure. I don't think Stern would make that. I'm just going to call it, yeah. Oh, and then Glen O. Yeah, Conker's Bad Fur Day, another adult game for the Nintendo 64. How about some important, or like games that were like popular, like Command and Conker? Yes, Star Quest. StarCraft. StarCraft, there you go. StarCraft. How about computer games that were popular? What do you guys think? WarCraft. Warcraft, Warhammer World of Warcraft Contra Gleno Diablo Quake, Doom, those are all in the same category you could choose any of those well they have the same kind of scenery Diablo wasn't a first person shooter but it was a third person quest game that was action it's very much like Gauntlet could you see a Gauntlet pin? Yeah, I could. Yeah, Gauntlet was a fucking cool game, but it was also highly stupid. What was that? That's a dumb game. You just shot things. Oh, and... And enemies just reappeared. Gauntlet was a quarter fucking raping... Who has ever beat Gauntlet even on MAME with unlimited credits? Oh my god, that's crazy. Have you ever tried to beat it? No, there's like 900 levels, right? Yeah, what a stupid game. That is 100% just give you the $20 in quarters. If I was trying to access Dragon's Lair, that would be kind of cool.
    116:50
    Yeah. As long as we're talking computer games, if people remember Monkey Island. Oh, my God, yeah. LucasArts. Yeah. You know, I like the humor in that. What else?
    117:01
    What was that one game, EverQuest? Yeah, that was a big one. But now we're getting a little bit weird now. We're getting weird, guys. Wing Commander. I don't think it has an end. No, I don't know what it does. I don't know. Skyrim, Pitfall God damn it there's so many So what we're trying to tell Stern Spooky Make any video game ever Find a very popular video game Licensed Atari ET It's the greatest game of all time You know what you're not The wizard mode is you have to dig it up out of the Trash you know That'd be pretty badass actually I don't know man All right, so let's just call it then, man. That's a good game. That's a good fucking Friday. Is that what we did? Yeah, we did a lot of that. Microsoft Flight Simulator.
    117:55
    Let's just do Pinball Cadet. Or was that one? Space Cadet? Yeah. The pinball game. Well, wasn't that one of the fucking games that Robert Mueller was thinking? Man, the next show we got to do is news. We got to talk about some of these fucking manufacturers, man. Just go down the list. God damn it. What the fuck is Robert Mueller doing, man? Dude, I don't know. But, oh, so they talked about one of Charlie's interviews.
    118:25
    He was asked about, hey, Deep Root made a public statement about wanting, they said they wanted to buy your company. Is that true? And Charlie said, I'm not going to speak on that. But then he followed it up with saying, you know, but he did make, he said, Robert made a public statement about wanting to work with us and we declined. And he goes, that was very much true.
    118:50
    So it sounds like that was. Pinball is hard, Robert. But it sounds like that was kind of a thing where Robert tapped Charlie to say, hey. We're struggling, man. Can you help us manufacture something? And, you know. Spooky is busy. Well, yeah, I don't know when this was. I don't know. Sometime in the last five years. They're at max capacity. Sure, absolutely. All right, guys. Excuse me. We're going to wrap it up here.
    119:18
    I thought that was a fun show. It was a fun show. It was a great show. Absolutely. We will do that for another time. I don't know what I'm talking about. Guys, thank you so much for joining us on 101. 102 is going to have, we have some stuff that was made for us while we were on break. We're going to get caught up on all that. You would think maybe, perhaps, we would have planned this a little better. No. What? No. This is the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, guys. We're back, baby. We're back. All right. And that's all that matters. Oh, you know what? I do want to talk about, Drew, and I really, really, really, really want to talk about it, is Tribe Multiball. Yes. With him and Rachel. That was actually in my notes. Was it? Mm-hmm. All right. I'm sorry if you guys are hanging on this late. I know this show has gone on way too long. But I just want to give them a quick shout-out because not only do I find Tribe Multiball more entertaining and more pinball-centric than our own show. Oh, by far. By far.
    120:23
    And they're so kind to us, which they don't need to be. True story. We love you. I just want to say that by far it is way more interesting than I ever thought it could be oh it's great and for me it's listening to the tribe members talk about what the tribe means to them and their whole ordeal with pinball and yeah it's just great they do such a good job and if you guys have not listened to it because you're like oh no it's not the poor man there's 12 episodes now I think They're good. Guys, check it out. It is very, very interesting. I find it very, very, very intriguing and learning about everyone's backgrounds.
    121:10
    I just want to say, for the record, by the way, Ryan Kuiper, all right, you little bastard, you know exactly why you're the number one tribe member, because we've known each other and we have hung out. And we're like best friends, Ryan. Well, isn't that always the case? When they asked everybody how they became a Tribe member, Ryan Kuyper was the only a-hole that said, I have no idea. I don't even know these guys.
    121:38
    I'm watching you, Ryan. I'm seeing what you're talking about here, pal. But Tribe Multiball is full of fun. No, you get to know, like, good people in the hobby. And, you know, like, Tony Scoots, he's a firefighter, and he owns a bakery, and he does all this stuff. So cool. Jay Sellers, he hasn't been on yet, but, you know, you'll find out. He works on an oil rig, and he was a Marine. Super mad ass. He owns, like, 1,000 acres in Texas. Yeah. He does his thing. Yeah. And, you know, just so many cool people doing cool things. Jay Hall, just starting his own business, you know. Yeah.
    122:18
    Every single track. Started out as just an arcade guy. So 12 episodes, and they were all more interesting than the one before. and just listening to their story is great. Yeah, so Tim and Rachel, please keep up the good work. I doubt you're still on, but thank you very much for that. And, guys, we love you. Thank you very much. We got a plan for 102.
    122:42
    And, yeah, we love everybody. I know, it says Joseph Hood really bad at mountain biking. Yes, he is. No, he's great at it. Also, I just want to throw out Silver Ball Swag. You can still buy our shit at Silver Ball Swag. We should probably put that up in the sponsors because we really need to start pushing that a little bit more. We do. Not because we haven't gotten a lot of sales, just because we're going to start adding some more things to the store, some more poor man merch, including our fun Episode 100 hats. Yeah, those hats are awesome. I wear that actually all the time. If you want to donate to us on Patreon, just go to canadaspinball.gmail.com and donate to Patreon. Oh, don't do that.
    123:30
    But no, we're going to throw some more stuff up on that. I want to get some more t-shirts up, too. And yeah, but the Silver Ball Swag. Check us out on the promoters tab. And yes, Glenno, fear the deer. Fear the deer. The Bucs are in game six of the finals. I know 90% of you listening don't care, but 50 years, man. They're the underdogs of the underdogs of the underdogs. They've been around a while. We have dealt with a lot of bad basketball in Milwaukee. My whole life has been bad basketball, but I've watched everything from Vin Baker to freaking Brandon Jennings to Big Dog to... The tractor trailer, remember him? Yes. The gold tractor. Yep, to Mr. Giannis himself. So it was a long time going, and Drew and I are ecstatic. We've been going to the games. We've been seeing some shit. Ian actually went to the game. He spent some money. Him and Eric. Tribe member Eric. We had so much fucking fun doing that. But I will say this. Go Bucs. And thank you so much for listening to us and sticking with us through our little hiatus here. And we'll see you next Monday. Next Monday. See you guys later. Love you. Love ya.
    124:52
    All right, we're good. We're off. I got a little boobie again. That was funny. It's been a while. I will always be back. You know why? We've got a P3 coming, so we've got to have you guys go, I guess. I want to play P3 the first one.
    125:31
    It is late. Well, I haven't scored. We went way too late today. Look. I want to look inside your book. Look inside the book. Oh, I always want to look. Look inside the book.
    125:52
    Look inside the book. Oh, I always want to look. Look inside the book. Oh, I always want to look. Look inside the book. Oh, I always want to look. Look inside the book. Don't play. Don't listen. Don't're not reflected in our sponsors. So I was showing. obviously they don't really care as much as we do about buttholes. We're still talking. I know. People are listening. Thanks for listening, guys. Have a great day. Bye-bye.