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Episode 10 - SPECIALWHENLICIOUS!!!

Special When Lit·podcast_episode·31m 30s·held·Aug 22, 2018
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TL;DR

SWL celebrates episode 10 with market analysis, artist drama, and upcoming Steve Ritchie interview.

Summary

Ken Cromwell and Bill Webb celebrate Special When Lit 10th episode, discussing Bill's custom Getaway restoration project, pinball market pricing trends (especially vintage Star Wars and secondary market appreciation), an upcoming interview with Nick Parks of Pinball Company, increased social media activity and apparent frustration from Spooky artist Zombie Yeti, a fan-built Breaking Bad retheme of Doctor Who, HomePin shipping delays to Australia, and positive impressions of Houdini: Master of Mystery of Mystery. The hosts announce a Steve Ritchie autographed Star Wars translight giveaway tied to an upcoming interview at Stern.

Key Claims

  • Bill Webb is building a custom Getaway restoration with powder-coated underside, chrome-backed side art decals, and plans to have Steve Ritchie sign the playfield

    high confidence · Bill Webb describing his restoration project in detail to Ken Cromwell

  • Star Wars machines that sold for $1,100-$1,200 five years ago are now selling for $3,500+

    high confidence · Ken Cromwell citing feedback from a California contact searching for a Star Wars

  • Zombie Yeti has announced he will no longer do pinball podcasts due to a conflict with another podcaster, though he made jokes about this being sarcasm

    high confidence · Ken Cromwell discussing Zombie Yeti recent social media posts and statements

  • Zombie Yeti has received criticism over Deadpool cabinet artwork, particularly regarding the amount of red coloring visible on streams

    high confidence · Bill Webb discussing criticism Zombie Yeti faced and his reaction to it

  • Nick Parks (Pinball Company owner) is running a seminar at Expo with plans to discuss past, present, and future of Pinball Company

    high confidence · Ken Cromwell describing his breakfast meeting with Nick Parks

  • Jersey Jack Pinball's Pirates game has shipped, with the first unit going into a box

    high confidence · Ken Cromwell and Bill Webb discussing JJP Pirates release, mentioning interview with Eric Meunier

  • American Pinball released a code update for Houdini that added two modes, rules, and call-outs

    high confidence · Ken Cromwell noting code update for Houdini: Master of Mystery of Mystery

  • HomePin is shipping machines to Canada before Australia despite Australian pre-orders dating back five years

    high confidence · Ken Cromwell discussing HomePin shipping delays and customer complaints

  • Vintage pinball prices have increased across multiple tiers, including D-tier games rising from $1,200-$1,500 to $1,500-$1,800

Notable Quotes

  • “Prices can only go so high. And they're not creeping up anymore. It seems like certain titles get a jump start and they go through the roof.”

    Bill Webb@ 3:51 — Articulates uncertainty about whether the pinball secondary market has reached a pricing plateau or continues to rise unpredictably by title

  • “when it comes to pinball what is sacred you know four legs two flippers you know the steel ball and that about it Everything else is subjective because no matter what you do you not going to please everybody”

    Bill Webb@ 15:38 — Encapsulates the fundamental design philosophy that pinball machines must balance competing interests (tournament players, home collectors, casual players) that cannot all be satisfied simultaneously

  • “So he's brought attention on, and here it is. So we're talking. And anyone that's curious to know what this is, look up Ghostbusters, Iron Maiden, or Deadpool, and he did all the artwork on all those machines.”

    Ken Cromwell@ 18:57 — Hosts acknowledge that discussing Zombie Yeti's social media activity has ironically amplified his visibility and their own coverage of him

  • “I give credit to them. I mean, that's not an easy undertaking...you're taking something you have a foundation already but there's still hundreds upon hundreds of hours that are going to go into this”

    Bill Webb@ 20:50 — Highlights the scale of effort required for custom rethemes, positioning them as significant creative projects despite reusing existing machines

  • “Well, we wish him nothing but the best. He's a tremendous asset for Stern and for the pinball community, no doubt about it.”

    Bill Webb@ 16:43 — Hosts express solidarity with Zombie Yeti despite discussing his apparent frustration, demonstrating respect for his artistic contributions

Entities

Ken CromwellpersonBill WebbpersonSpecial When LitorganizationZombie YetipersonNick ParkspersonPinball CompanycompanySteve RitchiepersonEric Meunierperson

Signals

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    market_signal: Significant appreciation of vintage pinball machines across multiple tiers; Data East Star Wars rising from $1,100-$1,200 five years ago to $3,500+ currently; D-tier games increasing from $1,200-$1,500 to $1,500-$1,800; Lethal Weapon rising from $1,100-$1,200 to $1,900-$2,000

    high · Ken Cromwell citing California contact inquiries and Bill Webb observing Tales from the Crypt selling for $3,000+ based on same board set as older $1,000 Lethal Weapon

  • ?

    collector_signal: Secondary market demand driving rapid appreciation; hosts questioning sustainability of pricing bubble and whether market will correct

    high · Bill Webb: 'Haven't seen anything really come back down'; Ken speculating about inevitable market correction: 'when does everything come back down? Is there a bubble?'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Zombie Yeti displaying increased social media activity with sarcastic/frustrated tone in recent posts; apparent burnout from podcast drama and artwork criticism; announcing departure from pinball podcast circuit

    high · Ken Cromwell tracking 30 days of Zombie Yeti social media posts; documented posts about podcast frustration, rebrand to 'Zombie Yeti-licious', criticism of Deadpool artwork color choices, and vow to avoid podcasts

  • ?

    community_signal: Podcast-related conflict between Zombie Yeti and other podcasters (Canada's Pinball Podcast mentioned); Deep Root Games/Robert Mueller involved in artwork revision disputes; tension around exclusive interview distribution

    high · Ken identifying Canada's Pinball Podcast as source of exclusive interview conflict; Robert Mueller's 'Mission Impossible' tour reference; Zombie Yeti's sarcastic posts about 'assholes endure in podcasting'

Transcript

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This special when lit pinball podcast is sponsored by Two Brothers Pinball Pale Ale, proudly supporting the passions of pinheads everywhere.
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Coming at you out of St. Charles, Illinois, the special when lit pinball podcast starts now. Here are your hosts, Ken Cromwell and Bill Webb.
0:21
Hey everybody, welcome to episode number 10 of the special when lit pinball podcast. My name's Ken Cromwell. My co-host is Bill Webb, and we are celebrating episode number 10 today. Congratulations, Bill. Made it to 10. Yeah, I didn't know if we were going to make it to 5. Cheers. In the Two Brothers Pinball Pale Ale Studio. Thank you, Two Brothers. So we will drink to that, and thanks, everybody, for allowing us to make it to episode number 10. Bill, when you came over today, you had brought over an interesting item, which I thought was pretty cool, and I was wondering, would you want to share that with the rest of Podcast Nation here? Yeah, you know what? I'm trying to get all the pieces together to start that getaway project that I've talked about a couple times on this podcast. So I actually had the getaway graphics, a sized-down image of it printed on Chrome instead of white backing just to see how it looked. And it actually looks pretty good. Maybe we'll throw that up on the Facebook. It's just a rough print just to see how it would look. Yeah, like a test print. Yeah. Yep. It looks really nice. The Chrome is going to take the place of anything that's white in that decal. So like the outer edge, the contour lines of the getaway, which is on the side art, is all chromed out. I think it looks really sharp. It looks awesome. Yeah, so basically like a chromed edition getaway. It looks very cool. That and with the new play field that I just got, and then hopefully getting it signed on Thursday, should make for a cool build. Oh, you're going to ask Steve Ritchie to sign the play field? If he would. Yeah, that's a great idea, actually. Are you going to clear the play field also? I believe I am. Okay. With it signed, I'll have it cleared. Yeah, that's going to be nice. What kind of an estimate or timeline are you giving yourself? Because you're building the cabinet, you're doing brand-new cabinet artwork, and you're essentially just building a game. Yeah. I mean, I have some of the parts that I already put together. I've got to find a board set eventually because the getaway that I have now, I'm probably not going to really use any parts off of it, Just more or less built a brand new one from a populated play field that I have and have everything powder coated underneath. Yeah, cool. Redo everything, all new coils, mechs. Powder coating underneath the play field on some of the mechs and whatnot is a really special touch. It's like when you're lifting the hood of an automobile and you're looking at that engine for the first time and you see everything kind of nice and chromed out and maintained. To see powder coated pieces underneath the play field I think is pretty cool. Yeah, you know what? I mean, we did it on Transformers, and it looks awesome. It does look awesome. So after that one, I think every game that I do,

medium confidence · Bill Webb and Ken Cromwell discussing secondary market pricing trends

  • A fan is currently rethemeing a Doctor Who machine to Breaking Bad and seeking an artist for playfield art

    high confidence · Bill Webb describing Breaking Bad retheme he found on Facebook pinball group

    • Jack Guarnieri
    person
    Jersey Jack Pinballcompany
    American Pinballcompany
    Stern Pinballcompany
    Christopher Franchiperson
    Donny Gillies (Dirty Donny)person
    HomePincompany
    [name withheld pending review]person
    Robert Muellerperson
    Deep Root Gamescompany
    Two Brothers Pinballcompany
    Spooky Pinballcompany
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    product_concern: Initial concerns about American Pinball Houdini shot difficulty based on streaming footage; concerns alleviated upon hands-on play

    medium · Bill Webb noting initial impression of challenging shots 'not wide open' but finding shots manageable in practice games

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    product_launch: Jersey Jack Pinball Pirates game has begun shipping; first unit boxed for delivery

    high · Ken and Bill discussing interview with Eric Meunier prior to announcement; Jack Guarnieri social media confirmation

  • ?

    code_update: American Pinball released code update for Houdini adding two new modes, rules, and call-outs

    high · Ken Cromwell noting code update and continued development of machine

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    supply_chain_signal: HomePin rerouting Canadian shipments ahead of original Australian pre-order customers (five-year-old orders); shipping container consolidation causing fulfillment delays and customer discontent

    high · Ken describing 'little uproar' between original Australian buyers; Mike from HomePin explaining discrepancy in free shipping terms and container consolidation strategy

  • ?

    design_innovation: Bill Webb using powder-coating underneath playfield on keeper machines and chrome-backed decals for enhanced aesthetic; positioning as standard practice for personal collection

    high · Bill describing chrome-backed Getaway side art and powder-coated underside work on Transformers; comparing to automotive detailing standards

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Fan-built Breaking Bad retheme of Doctor Who machine in progress; seeking artist for playfield artwork; significant undertaking with hundreds of hours of cabinet and programming work required

    high · Bill Webb discovering project on Facebook pinball group; discussing scope including cabinet rework, playfield art, audio programming, and potential P-Rock animation system

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    event_signal: Pinball Expo approaching (~50 days away per hosts); Nick Parks running seminar on Pinball Company past/present/future; Steve Ritchie interview scheduled for day before episode release

    high · Ken describing breakfast with Nick Parks and seminar announcement; discussing pre-Expo podcast interview with Parks; Steve Ritchie interview scheduled for Thursday

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    content_signal: Special When Lit reaching episode 10 milestone; hosts implementing contest mechanics (Facebook likes, email submissions) to increase engagement and gather audience questions for guest interviews

    high · Ken explaining three-tier entry system for Steve Ritchie translight giveaway; discussing value of Facebook page metrics for gauging audience interest

    • 2:53
    that's a keeper that I don't plan on selling. We'll probably get that treatment just because it's just one more step of something that you really wouldn't find unless somebody really cared about a game that they didn't plan on selling. For sure. Or they were going to sell for $15,000 or something ridiculous. Hey, sky's the limit these days with pinball prices. So, you know, you see every time you turn around, you see some game that you're like, wow, there's no way this guy is going to get that price for that game. A day later, it's pending. I just had somebody from California that was contacting me that I was doing some work with and they're looking for a data East Star Wars. And man, I remember like the high end of that data East Star Wars was like in the threes and people started asking the thirty five, thirty eight. And again, this a couple of years ago and I was like, man, you are you're just on the high end. And you can't ask that money just because it's a Star Wars pin. But $3,500 now on a nice-looking Star Wars Dead East is a steal, it seems like. I mean, you're not getting those prices anymore. So as the prices continue to climb, what happens? Prices can only go so high. And they're not creeping up anymore. It seems like certain titles get a jump start and they go through the roof. And, you know, do they come back down to reality? Do they stay where they're at? I don't know. But maybe it's just me. I haven't seen anything really come back down. No. Well, that's my point. It's like when does everything come back down? Is there a bubble? I don't know. That's the crazy part. I guess there's probably a bubble to just about everything, but when does that bubble come? I mean, that's a whole other discussion, but it's just I keep seeing these prices in the aftermarket on these used pins up, up, up, up, up, up. But on the same token, some pins that have just come out recently are dipping a little bit in price. So I guess it kind of weighs itself out in the grand scheme of things. More so, it looks like prices are on the increase, though. Well, yeah. I mean, even your D and E titles, in my opinion, games that aren't great. And I'm not going to mention names just because it's a D title in my eyes doesn't mean that it's a D title. It's just I don't favor that pin for anything that's going on in it. But, you know, you're seeing some of the D titles go for, you know, $1,500 to $1,800 now. Yeah. You know, one that I won't you know, I don't mind throwing kind of under the bus is lethal weapon. You know, those were eleven, twelve hundred bucks five years ago. And I thought that was even a little high back then. But now they're going for two thousand, you know, high 19s in that area to two thousand dollars. It's like whatever's left in that thousand to fifteen hundred dollar range is just being force appreciated because of the increase in prices everywhere else. And I guess that's what happens. Increase in demand. And the crazy part is that your Star Wars that you're talking about, or even like Tales from the Crypt, that one goes for $3,000 plus. They're all that same board set out of a lethal weapon that was $1,000 a couple years ago. Yeah. So it's interesting to see. Hopefully the economy doesn't drop and everyone decides to drop trow and give these things away. But it kind of would flood the market. We'll see. We will see. So I had an interesting breakfast this morning. I was able to sit down with Nick Parks and himself and Brooke Parks are the owners of the pinball company in Missouri. And we just sat down and had a friendly breakfast. We had done some transactions, and I had mentioned him on the podcast a few episodes ago. Yeah, you told me about Twilight Zone. Yeah, Twilight Zone, some arcade cabinets went his way, and I was just saying what a nice guy he was. So long story short, we sat down. So Nick's got some pretty unbelievable plans that he has for pinball company, And he's got a very interesting story as far as the past and the present and the future of the pinball company. So he's got a seminar that he's running at Expo, which will be interesting. So I was talking to him, and he agreed to come on the show just prior to Expo and kind of give a little preview of what that's going to include, his talk at Expo. And then he's going to come on for a follow-up interview after Expo. And I think what people will see or will listen to will be intriguing and interesting. So, you know, he didn't let the cat out of the bag, but from what he did kind of discuss, it's pretty exciting stuff. That should be interesting. Yeah, for sure. So, again, Expo. I'm looking forward to Expo. Yeah, it's got to be like 50-something days away by now. Yeah, the countdown to Expo. We should get like advent calendars. You open it up and there's like a coil in day 29. Yeah. Then there's like a set of LEDs from Comet or something like that. A six-pack of balls in day 10. You know what? A pinball advent calendar would not be horrible. You could put rubber sets in there, LEDs. We might have just come up with something. Yeah. So if we see it on Terry's website here in a couple of weeks. You can make the advent calendar in the shape of a back box and just have doors that open up and have pinball parts in there. That would actually be cool.
    7:45
    You heard it here first on the Special One Lit Pinball Podcast Yeah So if you want to use our idea feel free to make the checks out to Ken and Bill Right it be nice to get a check for something Yeah I don know Whatever But yeah so it been a busy month of August I was kind of sitting down and I was thinking earlier of all the things that happened this month, and you had game reveals, and you've got stuff that's on the horizon.
    8:07
    And so I wanted to kind of flip gears here for a second, because the month of August, for whatever reason to me seems like it's been an interesting month for Zombie Yeti. And the reason I say that is he's just kind of coming down off of the Iron Maiden high. He transitions into the reveal of Deadpool. So he's right back up there again. Right back up there again. I've also noticed him a little more active on social media lately, especially in the month of August. So what I had done is I just kind of took the last 30 days to kind of see the life and times of Zombie Yeti on social media. First, it was it's a little bit depressing because we lost Zombie Yeti in the podcast interview world because he just recently had shared that he will no longer be doing any pinball podcasts because of a situation that he had with another podcaster. Although he's done, I think, two or three podcasts lately. Those are the last of the last. And he said he was fine before the podcast and he'll be fine after the podcast. So, Bill, I'm sorry. We've missed our opportunity to interview Zombie Eddie. I wanted to let you know. Well, that kind of sucks. It does kind of suck. So I was looking back there. He kind of trolled Deep Root a little bit with the five days of Deep Root of reference there. He changed his name on one of his Facebook pages to – I'm sorry, Zombie Yeti-licious? Is that what it was? I didn't read it, but it sounds right. So J-Pop-a-licious was what Robert Mueller revealed they were calling J-Pop. Yeah. So I think Zombie Yeti changed his name to Zombie Yeti-licious. So that was kind of interesting. It seems like he's had a little bit of blowback about some people's opinions with the artwork on Deadpool that he's kind of voiced over some jokes that are going on during the pinball streams and some references.
    10:14
    So I guess my question is this. I don't really remember him being as outspoken on certain things prior to the last month. is he a little bit burnt out maybe just from taking a little bit of extra slack from people that he doesn't think is warranted is he to the point where he hinted that he may or may not be doing pinball machines in the near future but i think i kind of understood that as maybe being a little bit of a joke that he does plan on doing it i couldn't he had a lot of jokes i couldn't Yeah, he had a couple of references there that I'm not doing anymore pinball machines. No, I'm just kidding. That's my humor. Right. And he does have a tendency to – Yeah, build it up a little bit. Well, he jokes a lot. Yeah. And anybody that knows his personality, we don't know him personally. We had spoken to him at Expo last year. Yeah, briefly. Yeah, nice guy, interesting guy, had a lot to say. But, again, his sense of humor is – it's a lot of just kidding, just kidding, just kidding. Yeah. which isn't a bad thing.
    11:17
    So I'm trying to figure, is this guy burnt out? Is he tired of dealing with podcasters? Is he tired of dealing with critiques with his artwork? Because all in all, he's generally really well-received within the pinball community. Again, I just noticed that there's a little bit of backlash, a little bit of back-end humor and jabs that are going on. Is this guy getting frustrated? What's up with Zombie Yeti? Well, you know what? Here, think about it this way. So, you know, he put a lot of time and effort into both those pins, Iron Maiden and Deadpool. And when you put that kind of time into something, you're going to take it personally when someone has a criticism, especially when they haven't seen it and they're just ball busting, you know, over the Internet because, you know, people are haters. So I can kind of see where he gets upset with some of that, especially in some of his posts where people were talking about the Reds.
    12:08
    You know, with the Reds in the Deadpool cabinet? The Reds in the Deadpool game. Right. Okay. You know, which is there a decent amount of red? Sure. But until you see it in person, you really can't, you know, I don't think that's the end all be all until you actually see it in person. Just because you see it on a stream doesn't mean a whole lot.
    12:27
    So I think from the interview that I heard, he seems a little frustrated-ish from taking some of the heat. But, you know, I think he's trying to take it in good strides. Right. Which I can understand that. You put your time and effort into something and then somebody bags on it. Well, yeah, you're going to take it personal. Well, and the reason I'm bringing it up is because he's just, again, I don't remember him being as prominent in the eye as far as posts where people had to figure out what does that mean, what does that mean, what does that mean. Dating back at the end of July, he said, so this week I totally figured out the best way to kill my enthusiasm, time to start a podcast. And I think that was frustration over Deep Root and Robert Mueller announcing that they may change some of the artwork with the Magic Girl and that maybe they didn't appreciate Ghostbusters as a machine. So, you know, I can understand.
    13:23
    Disappointing. A little shout out to that. Then end of July, he says, to all my pinball friends, I'm rebranding and changing my website URL to zombieyettilicious.com. Or at least I locked down the domain for potential jokes. again that was in reference to robert muller talking about uh jay popalicious yep which uh was what they call john papaduke over at deep room and then we kind of go into august he says to all my pinball friends from this day forward i vow to never go on another podcast as and not injure the feelings of any competing podcasters apparently i didn't read the fine print again now having said that i'll be appearing on tons of non-pinball podcasts to discuss a range of topics including but not limited to such topics as humility and podcasting wintercraft ideas for bored podcasters and one near and dear to me assholes endure in podcasting uh that's got to be a reference to i'm thinking uh canada's pinball podcast who called him out for not giving him an exclusive interview and making the tom cruise uh tour of revealing mission impossible reference versus just trying to give him an exclusive interview.
    14:36
    And then again, I think I mentioned before the Iron Maiden and Deadpool cabinet pictures that were back-to-back, and he said it's like eight months of Zombie Yeti, which is way better than five days, and the machines are real and playable.
    14:48
    Hashtag so rad, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It just seems like a lot on this guy's plate for the last month. He's firing back. He's not going to take it. is there some over sensitivity that's not for me to judge we're podcasters uh we want to have respect for everybody and i think if somebody personally attacked us i could see us taking that personally but if you're a pinball artist art is so subjective you're not going to please everybody so i i think i mean and he's a seasoned artist yeah i think he has to realize and i'm sure that he does realize it's not going to make everybody happy all the time so is he letting this little stuff get to him a little bit more or is he just to the point where he's like you know what i've just had enough of it and he's venting out yeah back off when we've talked about this before i mean when it comes to pinball what is sacred you know four legs two flippers you know the steel ball and that about it Everything else is subjective because no matter what you do you not going to please everybody Either you're going to piss off the tournament people, you're going to piss off the home market, shots are going to be too tight, shots are going to be too easy, too much on the play field, not enough on the play field, too big of a screen, not big enough of a screen. You know, I mean, there's just no consensus to say everything that you can do on a pinball machine everyone's going to love. I did want to reach out to Zombie Yeti and ask these questions to see if I could clarify that, but as a podcaster, I didn't think that was probably the best timing to do so. And by talking about this today, my intentions are not to exploit anything that he's doing or not doing, but to just really kind of get an open forum idea of what this guy might be going through. Well, and we have a lot of respect for him and the stuff that he's done. I mean, he's done some beautiful artwork on the games that he's done.
    16:43
    Yeah, I mean, we wish him nothing but the best. He's a tremendous asset for Stern and for the pinball community, no doubt about it. As is Christopher Franchi in art with Stern.
    16:55
    High props to him and Dirty Donnie. You never hear from Dirty Donnie. Not as much. I don't recall him coming out and really saying much of anything about anything with pinball. I don't know. So in the grand scheme of things, I guess pinball isn't the World Series of entertainment either. So there's a smaller market here. But going back, though, real quick. So if him venting out a little bit on some of these issues keeps him grounded, let it ride.
    17:24
    Yeah, I would hope that there's not any blowback from the blowback. It doesn't hurt my feelings that he doesn't want to do a podcast. I'm not a podcaster first. The problem was that we didn't set up our podcast about podcasts about podcasts. Exactly correct. So, I don't know. We missed the boat on that. Yeah. So we'll have to do basket weaving and have him on. And hopefully we're not one of the bad guys in pinball podcasting. No, we try to be. We'd rather have a smaller following of listeners, but keep it honest instead of being hateful and vengeful. It's all in good fun, I suppose. It is. At the end of the day, it's pinball. It's not a liver. It's not a kidney. And, you know, we're all going to breathe just fine even if the machines don't turn on. So does Zombie Yeti come back on any podcast within the next 365 days, yes or no? Are we going for a burrito bet on this deal? Yeah, we can go for a burrito. Okay. So the over-under for Zombie Yeti to go back on a pinball-related podcast is 364 and a half days. I'll go double that for two burritos for a year and three months. I would guarantee he's on a podcast within the next 700 days. Okay, I was going to go with the positive on that. Yeah, you're going to go over? No, I would say that within a year and three months. Okay. I'm just thinking about timelines as far as maybe a next title that he might be working on next or, you know. You know, and good for him. We're talking about him. So, you know, whether or not he wants to draw attention to himself from doing all this posting, he's brought attention on, and here it is. So we're talking. And anyone that's curious to know what this is, look up Ghostbusters, Iron Maiden, or Deadpool, and he did all the artwork on all those machines. Great artwork. So, yeah, we encourage you to check it out if you haven't. Absolutely. So as we look at the smaller scale of pinball, there was another pinball machine that you brought to my attention that came to interest of yourself, and that was a Breaking Bad pinball machine that's being rethemed out of a Doctor Who. Yeah, so I was scrolling through Facebook, pinball enthusiasts, and saw this Breaking Bad cabinet. I'm like, who's doing this? I haven't seen this before.
    19:32
    So yeah, it's a Doctor Who that somebody's re-theming to a Breaking Bad theme. And the artwork on the cabinet looks good. I guess they're searching now for an artist to do the playfield art. But I give credit to them. I mean, that's not an easy undertaking. And so far, it looks pretty cool. I like projects like this. it's not as difficult versus making something from scratch with a white wood but it's a pretty significant time in a process to take an existing machine kind of break that down and rebuild the artwork to make it make sense for your re-theme are you a Breaking Bad fan? are you a fan of the show? I've watched a couple minutes of it never had one lesson didn't dig an inch Ken. Didn't take an inch.
    20:19
    So you realize you're in the minority because it's such a big show, Breaking Bad. But you know what the problem is? We've got a three-year-old and we don't watch a whole lot of television to begin with. Yeah. So I figure one weekend when we all catch the flu or something, binge watch it. Don't watch it when you catch the flu because the coughing and stuff will make you feel worse. Yeah, you get my point. Yeah, no, I got you. So I'm excited to see this come to life and I really wish that gentleman well who's doing this yep yeah to see people take you know and i i give that credit too because it's not like building a new game i mean you are taking something you have a foundation already but there's still hundreds upon hundreds of hours that are going to go into this you know just with redoing the cabinet redoing the play field um getting a board set to fire up with all the call outs uh doctor who's an animated game which means that i don't think they're going to wind up using the original dmd which means they're probably gonna have to use a P-Rock on it. Or throw an LCD maybe, retrofit that into a back box and have movie clips that are timed with modes and switches. It's possible. That's the nice thing about having some material to edit up versus having to do an original theme. You're going to have to come up with all the... And that was something that I didn't even really think about when I was considering, still considering moving forward with our... Project. It's a project for sure. Animations, animations, animations. Yeah, because you're going to have, let's just say on the light side, three to five hundred hours in doing the cabinet. How many hours are you going to have in programming the audio? Then throw animations on top of it. It's a lot of time. It's a lot of effort. You know, the ultimate payoff is having it done. Hopefully he finishes and he gets it to some pinball shows. If you're a fan of the show, I think that would be really cool to be able to play. Yeah, so that would be my save it for the week. Oh, you're already into drain it or save it? Into drain it or save it. So that's the one for me. I really, really like that concept. I missed the whole audio cue on that. Hold on.
    22:16
    It's time for this week's edition of Drain It or Save It. Okay, so that was your save it. So now I have to come up with a drain it right off the cuff? You can, or we can wait until the end of the show. Yeah, you know what? No, because we're in the segment. Ah, okay. So my Drain It this week is when you have podcasters that spring something on you without giving you an opportunity to figure out how you're supposed to reply, and you're just kind of caught off guard. I like it.
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    I'm making notes on my phone. You know what? Drain It is all podcasters that have any type of opinion and then cause an artist to never want to go back on a pinball podcast ever again. So my Drain It this week is being mean to Zombie Yeti. That's my Drain It. I like it. Okay, so we'll get that out of the way. As we go to HomePin, they are shipping pins not to Australia, where the original buyers are, but those pins are getting shipped to Canada. A little uproar between the original buyers that were expecting to have those machines first. Mike from HomePin is basically saying that there was a discrepancy on the free shipping aspect. They had to wait for containers to fill before they would ship to Australia. but because the container is spoken for it going to go to Canada first People are mad mike saying hey that kind of what i told you but that not the way that the original uh investors five years ago understood the terms so more drama it could have changed we're not there you know what i mean i guess let's look at the positive that games are shipping yeah i don't know i for sure it is shipping but we've had situations where in the past early achievers or people that went in early to support a company when they didn't get a pin first it was bad and recent buyers got pins it was because you were trying to shift money around to cover losses from the original runs and so let's hope it's not another one of those because i you know the hobby's endured enough with these companies that have really just mismanaged funds and never delivered pinball machines. Yeah. So we'll see. Yeah, so given the benefit, hoping that's the case, but we shall see. Jersey Jack Pinball, Pirates are out. I think we kind of broke that story on our other podcast where we had spoken to Eric Minier just hours prior to us announcing that the first Pirates was due in box to be put in a box and they were out. And then the next day, Jack was out there and he's doing cartwheels in the lawn and confirmed that we had already reported. So congratulations on breaking a mini story. I don't even know if we actually broke that story. Timeline wise, I think we may have, but I didn't see us in the 2020 or anything for no, it wasn't on our local news either. Yeah. But hey, I'll take it. American Pinball, they are still pumping out the Houdinis.
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    I don't know. There's a code update that went out, I believe, that had added to modes and rules and call-outs. So that's cool that that game's on its way, still going through the motions of getting those out the door.
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    I had an opportunity to play on a Houdini at our buddy Joe's down the street. and so I had my first impressions of maybe, I think I played two games. How did you feel about it? It was, okay, so I'm probably just not going to rehash what everybody else has been saying. My honest opinion was the machine looks beautiful.
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    I liked the animations. I liked the rule set. My initial thought was that it was going to be a challenging pin because the shots are not wide open. but really towards the end of my first game and then into my second game the shots weren't as difficult by by no means were they easy shots but they weren't shots where i would be frustrated enough where i wouldn't want to keep playing it so i think if you own that game or you're able to put some time on it you're going to adjust as best you can just like anything else and some machines just kind of beat you down regardless this didn't look like an over overly killing machine because i I mean, I'm not a competitive pinball player, and I was able to hit shots. And so my overall impressions were generally good about it. I liked the game. So finally, before we wrap this episode up, Bill, episode number 10 of the Special When Lit Pinball Podcast, I wanted to take a minute and explain kind of this contest we wanted to run for the Steve Ritchie Star Wars Autograph Translight that we're going to be giving away in celebration of the Steve Ritchie Pinball Podcast interview that we will be conducting Thursday. that's in you know another day from the time you listen to this podcast at we're going to be at stern sitting down with steve so the way that we're going to do this is this first we're going to give you three opportunities to enter this none of which cost any money obviously and you can choose to participate in one of these options for one entry two of these options for two entries or all three of these options for three entries and you'll be entered in the contest that many times So the first thing that we're going to ask, and I'm going to wrap this up in like a minute. I don't want to podcast about a contest. First thing we'll ask is if you do like our podcast, go to our podcast page on Facebook, which is Special When Lit Pinball Podcast, and give us a like on the page.
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    If you don't like the podcast, please don't feel compelled to like it. It doesn't make any sense for you to do that. We're not looking for likes, but we are looking for people to interact with the page to give us an idea of general interest. And in all fairness, I've got some best buddies, even buddies that are in our pinball club that just have not liked the pinball, our podcast page. It doesn't mean that they don't like the podcast. It's just a lot of people don't think they like the page. They don't understand the benefit. For us, it just gives us a gauge on interest. So by liking our pinball podcast page, you will be given one entry. And for those of you that have already liked the page, you're already entered into the contest. So that's awesome. Number two, the second thing we'd like for you to do is consider emailing us a question for Steve that we can then ask him on Thursday. And the email address is this, specialwhenlitpinballpodcast at gmail.com. So specialwhenlitpinballpodcast at gmail.com. Email us a question and make sure you include your name in the response so that we know who is entered. So that would give you a second entry into the contest. The third entry is for those that have listened to now all ten of our shows or some of our shows. We wanted to give you an extra opportunity to have a little bit better chance of getting the Translight. And that is this.
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    Email us. You don't want to post it on the page because it makes no sense because then everybody knows the answers. Just email us two movies that we've referenced over the course of the last ten podcasts. And when we were talking about this today, we've referenced, I think, like eight or nine movies, almost a movie every single episode. Name two movies in which we referenced, and that'll give you a third entry. So a like on the page, an interview question for Steve Ritchie, and two movies that we've referenced will give you three entries. And again, there's not going to be 30,000 people that are going to be entering this contest. So if you do any one of those or all three, you've got a pretty good chance of having a real nice piece of art autographed by King of Pinball, Steve Ritchie, that you can hang on the wall or throw in your Star Wars Pro Premium or Elite. And if you guys enter, may the odds be ever in your favor. May the odds be with you.
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    I don't know. Was that Star Wars? I don't know. Like The Force? I know what movie I was calling when I said may the odds be ever in your favor. Oh! But that's okay. And maybe I just referenced the movie also. Yeah. Wow. Thank you. Wait. Shazam. Okay. But that's it. So that's episode 10, Bill. Hey, let me shake your hand, man. It's been a pleasure over the last 10 weeks knocking this podcast out with you. It's been fun. I look forward to we podcast on Tuesday nights out of the Pinball Palau studio. And it's just always fun and entertaining to sit down and do what we've done prior to this, talk pinball, but kind of be able to get our thoughts out there for other people to listen to and reflect on. You know, it's been nice to have the people comment back and correct us. you know we got a correction last week that Checkpoint was the first DMV game so wanted to give a shout out to that person that corrected us or corrected me on that but just to interject with people and their thoughts besides our own for sure and you know what everybody that's reached out to us it's been cool that I've already met people from this I've already had opportunities that presented themselves because of this podcast I'm grateful for that so that's cool too so guys that's episode number 10 of the special one lit pinball podcast thanks again for your listenership don't forget to consider entering that contest our facebook page is special when lit pinball podcast and the email address is special when lit pinball podcast at gmail.com so for bill webb i'm ken cromwell thanks for listening to the special when lit pinball podcast you guys have a good morning good afternoon or good evening don't forget to take some time out of your day and play some pinball so long everybody
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