Kaneda D&D Test

Kaneda Pinball Podcasts YouTube Lives·video·41m 12s·analyzed·Jan 3, 2025

Analysis

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TL;DR

Kaneda tests D&D stream setup while providing exclusive intel on future Stern cornerstones and criticizing industry pricing strategy.

Summary

Kaneda conducts a technical test of screen-sharing for his D&D reveal stream while discussing Stern's Dungeons & Dragons game launch, pinball market dynamics, and industry trends. He criticizes the January launch timing, defends D&D's theme superiority over Evil Dead, and provides exclusive intel that John Borg will design the next two Stern cornerstone games after King Kong. He argues the Pro edition now offers better value than Limited Edition machines and critiques the three-tier pricing model.

Key Claims

John Borg will design the next two Stern cornerstone games after Keith Elwin's King Kong, possibly including Tron.
medium confidence · Kaneda sharing exclusive Canada Club intel on future Stern roadmap; framed as rumor/insider whisper rather than confirmed fact
Pro edition machines now hold value better than Limited Edition machines due to three-tier pricing compression.
high confidence · Kaneda providing data-driven analysis of secondary market trends; states LE loses ~$3,000 in six months (90% chance), Premium loses ~$2,000 (75% chance)
Stern only sells 5-10 games directly through their website to create artificial scarcity perception.
medium confidence · Kaneda explaining distribution dynamics; claims this is deliberate strategy used for every release including John Wick and Venom
D&D is a better pinball theme than Evil Dead due to franchise size and broader appeal, which is why it will sell out while Evil Dead hasn't.
medium confidence · Kaneda opinion comparing theme strength; cites Evil Dead's niche appeal as reason for slower sales
Spooky's Evil Dead game will eventually sell out by Canada Day despite slow initial sales.
low confidence · Kaneda speculation/prediction about Spooky inventory clearing; framed as prediction not confirmed data
Pinball manufacturers never reward long-term loyal customers with priority access to new releases.
high confidence · Kaneda states he asked George Gomez, Gary Stern, and Seth Davis directly about this practice; claims no manufacturer offers loyalty program
Jersey Jack will sell more Avatar Collector's Edition machines than Limited Edition machines.
medium confidence · Kaneda prediction based on pricing logic; states CE will be nicer and only $3k more expensive

Notable Quotes

“Don't order anything on Friday. Trust me, the game's not going to sell out... Every single game is an instant sellout on Stern's website, okay? They only release about five to ten games at most sold directly through Stern, and they do that on purpose.”
Kaneda @ early section — Core thesis about artificial scarcity in pinball distribution; explains how 'sold out' doesn't reflect actual demand
“Dungeons & Dragons is a much better theme for pinball than Evil Dead... it's still Evil Dead. Like, do you want to own an Evil Dead game? Do you want to watch those movie clips over and over and over again? I don't.”
Kaneda @ middle section — Justifies D&D's expected success vs Evil Dead's underperformance using theme strength argument
“After Keith Elwin's King Kong, the next two Stern cornerstone games will be John Borg games.”
Kaneda @ mid-to-late section — Exclusive insider intelligence about Stern's design roadmap; major personnel/project signal
“The LE buyer now is the dingbat. The LE buyer is the sucker... The only LE worth buying is either a remake of a classic, like Metallica, and you only buy an LE if it's Keith Elwin. That's it.”
Kaneda @ late section — Stark critique of Limited Edition value proposition; challenges fundamental pinball collector purchasing behavior
“A Pro machine is half the price of an LE. That is insane. It never used to be that... the Pro buyers are the smart guys, and they're having more fun.”
Kaneda @ late section — Argues economic case for Pro edition; represents shift in secondary market value dynamics
“I think you're wrong on that, Engleberg Humperdinck, from Princess Bride. I think you're wrong. Spooky animations are not better than Stern's. There's not a single Spooky game with better animations.”
Kaneda @ animation discussion section — Defends Stern animation quality against common community criticism; cites specific Stern titles (X-Men, Godzilla, John Wick)
“The best onscreen animations I think I've seen in a game... are the animations in Dialed In... I felt like someone used the big screen in the right way.”

Entities

Stern PinballcompanyDungeons & Dragons (Stern)gameKanedaperson John Borgperson Keith Elwinperson George Gomezperson Gary Sternperson

Signals

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business_signal: Spooky's boutique deposit model creates customer regret and late-deposit disincentive; non-refundable deposits locking buyers into waiting periods while newer titles emerge.
medium · Kaneda: 'deposits are non-refundable. So if you go in now on Evil Dead and you're at the end of the line, you can't get your money back... watch people be able to buy the game you want in front of you and for less money.'
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event_signal: Kaneda hosting exclusive D&D reveal stream Friday at noon EST with screen-sharing technical setup; testing broadcast capability for future cornerstone game launches.
high · Kaneda: 'I'm going to use this tomorrow to look at Stern Pinball's D&D launch with everybody live... It's going to be right here on the YouTube channel... Friday. It's going to be starting at noon Eastern Standard Time.'
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sentiment_shift: Growing skepticism about Limited Edition value proposition and three-tier pricing model sustainability within collector community.
high · Kaneda: 'The LE buyer now is the dingbat... The only LE worth buying is either a remake of a classic, like Metallica, and you only buy an LE if it's Keith Elwin. That's it.'
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competitive_signal: Jersey Jack's Avatar positioned to be cannibalized by upcoming Harry Potter release; JJP teasing Harry Potter while Avatar CEs haven't shipped creating demand conflict.
medium · Kaneda: 'When Harry Potter comes out, those Avatar CEs are going to be worth less than $10,000... Jersey Jack is teasing Harry Potter and they haven't even shipped a single Avatar CE to customers.'
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Topics

D&D Launch Strategy & TimingprimaryPinball Pricing Model & Value PropositionprimaryLimited Edition vs Pro Edition Market DynamicsprimaryStern Distribution & Artificial Scarcity TacticsprimarySpooky Boutique Production & FOMO StrategiesprimaryFuture Stern Cornerstone RoadmapprimaryPinball Animation Quality ComparisonsecondaryArtist Selection & Theme MatchingsecondaryManufacturer Loyalty Programs & Customer RetentionsecondaryContent Creator Treatment & Industry Standardssecondary

Sentiment

mixed(-0.15)— Kaneda is generally positive about D&D theme and game quality, but deeply critical of pinball industry practices: pricing strategy, distribution tactics, three-tier model problems, lack of customer loyalty programs, and Stern's treatment of content creators. He's dismissive of LE buyers and skeptical about January launch timing. Critical of artist selection practices but respectful of individual talents.

Transcript

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grown men rolling die got to get through the dungeon to beat the drag all right we're doing a little test here let me share this link with the dingbats my my dingbat motle crew fans let's see share copy link we can talk a little pinball who who amongst you plays DN D in your old age billion doll franchise you know it's like I know who plays it has anyone ever met anyone who plays D and D as an adult um we are pretty positive those people are not procreating though so it's probably the last generation of of D and D fans uh you know go into a bar and be like yo dude's like last night's D and D game was crazy okay never gonna hear that let's get people in here Brena don't look at me like that babe it's she's going she's got 50 minutes just let me do my test relax calm your horses geez geez Louise jeez Louise all right testing show show for DND D tomorrow come join come join and let's chat all right let's see what here d d DD look I got Roy's in the house Roy best wishes you too man it's going to be a good year every day above ground is a good day as Pitbull says Mr 405 is it 405 Brenda is that is that his zip code is no it's not is it is it 405 305 huh what's in the 405 I should be Mr 405 and just go live wherever that is and like one up one up pitball Scott Jones all right guys I'm gonna try something in a second you let me know if this works because I'm gonna I'm going to use this tomorrow to look at Stern Pinball's DND launch with everybody live and you know I had those big technical complications when I did the uh the Canada Kudos award which by the way is world famous now um for it's all right can you guys tell me can you tell me if you see I'm going to share screen and I'm going to right all right can you guys see okay can you see me can you see the stern screen and and me talking I'm going to play the video and let me know if you can see me talking you can can you see both now here can you hear their screen with me I love how that wh did anyone hasn't deciphered all right awesome so it works did did anyone your audio is low when the trailer is playing that's fine I'm not gonna talk over anything so that's fine is the audio better now yeah I made the video audio loud so we can lower that a little bit but how's my audio now is it good man I'm like I'm like excited to see this thing let's go let's go to this Dragon do we think let's pause it it does look like the attack from Mars Dragon right let's just keep this what do you guys think you think this dragon eats the ball man I love the way you read that description yesterday really cracked me up yeah right I mean it was like the nerdiest thing I've ever read and and it's like these grown men are like yeah man I'm totally into DND D and you're like yeah man can't wait to grab the amulet that features little gemstone that lets The Necromancer pause necromancy skills in the third left tunnel of the trolls left wind you know it's like what the heck is this stuff welcome to DND people I think balls will release from its mouth but can't shoot it in well that makes sense though right that makes sense the ball should fire from the dragon like he's firing a flame right you know the flame doesn't go into his mouth so it it does look like the the mouth has a ramp there with no lower teeth and it's gonna open up it but it's it lookes it's it looks I don't just looking at it right now it does look like it's going to um look more like it's vomiting pinballs at us so we shall see uh it definitely looks like there's the three Bank Target below the Dragon uh how's the audio by the way is it popping at all because when I did my show I'm wondering if I'm just too close to it if I need to just let's see I don't get really any audio settings on YouTube but hopefully it sounds all right how's it sound Dragon maybe eats the why would the dragon eat the ball I don't think so uh it it does feel like we're going to get a fan layout and that is seemingly Brian Eddy's thing uh I you know I'm I'm on Facebook now and all the it's interesting seeing all the dealers right they're already trying to get the fomo going uh order yours today order here Order there there's so many dealers and dros now and it's funny how they're just all gonna spam us as if we're unaware so I I just encourage each and every one of you just absolutely enjoy the reveal don't order anything on Friday trust me the game's not going to sell out what the game is going to do it's going to sell through every single Dro is going to grab their Le that they get they have a certain allotment they're gonna buy them so the game is going to technically sell through AKA sell out but that doesn't mean that those dealers have found customers for all 740 units at 13,000 a pop they're not going to find customers for all those on day one the other thing is this don't go off of stern website thinking the game is like moving like hot cakes they only release about five to 10 games at most sold directly through Stern and they do that on purpose to sort of say that it's sold out again not an indication of how popular the game is every single game John Wick included Venom included every single game is an instant sellout on Stern's website okay spooky didn't even sell out Evil Dead you're right man you're right it's crazy when you think about it everything that's look the reason why spooky did not sell out of Evil Dead is it's because it's Evil Dead let's be honest folks that movie is not hugely popular with most of us okay I've seen it you've seen it do you watch it over and over again Dungeons and Dragons is a much better theme for pinball than Evil Dead and you know as much as Evil Dead looks amazing and the mechs are cool like all it's cool it's but it's still Evil Dead like do you want to own an evil dead game do you want to watch those movie clips over and over and over again I don't I don't D and D is a better theme it's a bigger franchise it's way bigger it's way bigger um the thing about look the thing about D and D being nerdy yeah like but it's not going to go into that level of nerdiness they're going to take thematically DN and take the elements of DN D but it's not going to be the way you experience it when you play the the game in real life you know the the game on a table with the books and all the descriptions and all the die roll like it's not going to be nearly as nerdy as that all right so like I've seen Evil Dead one and two 200 times all right well cool man look here's the good news if you're obsessed with Evil Dead you are very happy with that title but the reason Evil Dead hasn't sold out yet that was the point I'm responding to the reason Evil Dead has not sold out yet is because of the theme I mean they put everything in the kitchen sink into the game so why didn't they sell 800 and you know whatever 80 of them because of the theme when they release Goonies which is next Goonies will sell out day one Goonies will sell out in the first hour and then Goonies spots will be sold for more than MSRP within one day of reveal you understand what I mean there see how that works with the theme and popularity and and having an emotional connection to a theme matters a lot so and with a big pirate ship and what's going to be in Goonies going to be a way bigger response than Evil Dead I bet Evil Dead will sell out by Canada Day okay well I don't know who knows here here's the reason why I don't think they sold the last I don't know like 50 or 100 of them is because I think everyone is also aware that once spooky makes 400 of them it's going to be easy to cut the line get one for less money and why would you want to be at the end of the line because that's the problem and remember the deposits are non-refundable so if you give your the if you go in now on an evil debt and you're at the end of the line you can't get your money back and you're going to watch people be able to buy the game you want in front of you and for less money so that is why the later deposits are really the last place you want to be with a boutique deposit and I think the same thing might be true with Alice's Adventures in Wonderland you know you want to either get your game early enjoy the game game or you want to just wait and get it on the secondhand Market that's what's going to happen it's what happens with all these boutique games uh and you know they're GNA bring some games to the show and you're going to be able to cut the line there and then people are gonna like you think about like this people might want D and D over Evil Dead people who put deposits down on Evil Dead are going to then by the time their Evil Dead is even on the line gang they're going to see DND D they're going to see um King Kong they're going to see Harry Potter they're going to see you know maybe Gremlins from barrels whatever Barrel's next game is so that's the thing too is you know it's going to take them six months to get halfway through the builds of Evil Dead and by the time your game is up you might want something else and you might not have room and you might not uh you know have enough money to buy two games in one year uh if spooky was smart they wouldn't limit Goonies uh Josh come on don't don't say things you they need every game needs to have a limit with these Boutique companies you know it it's without that then no one goes in if you make an unlimited amount of Goonies then why would anyone rush to buy one if you're going to make them forever you need to have some sort of fomo built into these Boutique companies uh you can't just yeah I look I do think they Josh I do agree with you they should limit the number of CES uh this whole like will make as many CES as people want and then every single game is a CE and then you know the the highest trim version is the most made version is not really the I don't know it but again like I like what they're doing with Evil Dead there's no trim levels right there's just one there's just one version so just make one version of Goonies and make whatever 800 or a thousand and let that game be forever in demand that is the way to do it you you don't want to burn your customers you you want to make it when you're building a brand a pinball company brand you want everyone who's bought your products to feel like they're part of some club and I I also think what's become ridiculous in pinball is that nobody has nobody and I mean this not Jersey Jack not Stern not spooky nobody nobody has rewarded consistent long-term buyers with the ability to get first dib on new games think about how silly that is that and I asked this of Seth Davis and George Gomez and Gary Stern I was in the room with them have you ever given anybody who's bought $250,000 in your product have you ever given them the ability to buy a game without having to wait online without having to maybe miss out on it they've never done that and the same is true with like spooky yeah you can be part of the fan club but I mean it when I say this like anyone who buys an evil dead gets first dibs at Goonies imagine if they said that anybody who's bought three or more spooky titles never has to wait online again imagine if they said that you know there's absolutely no loyalty you know I go to one of my favorite restaurants and there might be a line outside every day I don't wait on line because I go all the time and like Chris you're a normal you know you're one of our best customers and we want to make it so you don't have to wait like everybody else uh because you've shown us loyalty and spent a lot of money with us and the new people online are brand new they don't deserve to get the same treatment as you but there is no system like that because there is no marketing that is focused on the customer for the most part the world of marketing in pinball completely is just not nonexistent it's existent let's get to a different screen here there we go uh do you guys want to look at D and D or me I don't even know why I'm screen I'm not showing you anything all right so um if you're a member of the Canada Club you got some good exclusive info today it's how I do it people I don't I don't wait I don't wait I I don't need to like I don't I don't need to do things on a schedule I don't even need to do things with fact check in I just I got a little birdie whispered in my ear this morning what's the next py gaming title uh Hey Canada did did Stern do the Metallica animations uh I believe so I I don't think they brought in anybody from outside I don't think those are from Metallica I I don't know if Metallica has like a cartoon or those animations were for their concert uh but I believe those were all done by Stern uh Outsource yeah probably Josh I mean look it makes total sense for them to work with vendors and other Studios that are out there for animations I I and I I think that's smart I don't think you should rely only on inhouse animators when you're making a pinball machine Stern animations are a joke compared to Jersey Jack and spooky I I don't agree with that engleberg Humper dink from Princess Bride I I think you're wrong on that you think spooky animations are better than the stuff that's happening in X-Men and in Godzilla and enjo no spooky animations are not better than Sterns there's not a single spooky game with better animations jjp's animations are really good what JJ P um has done well is they've sort of they just have a beautiful big screen you know JP to win really you know makes everything look really nice and Polished I wouldn't say like you know some of the G&R animations are really cool I I wouldn't say like they're mindblowing you know like when the gun revolver fires what your bonus is or the extra ball or slashes so solo comes up like they're they're really good to me the best animations I've ever seen I I'm just going to be candid here the best onscreen animations I I think I've seen in a game that just made me feel like more modern pinball should be like this are the animations in dialed in to me dialed in like what's on that screen for the first time I felt like someone used the big screen in the right way and dialed in real it just it just such a it just all looks so nice thinking about what the theme is and the city and like I just love dialed in's animations and it felt like they worked hard on them uh we got a question can't wait for DNA tomorrow yes um I I can't wait either uh I hope you guys all hang out here it's going to be right here we're going to do it right on the YouTube channel uh going to do it starting at noon Eastern Standard Time it's Friday it's the last Friday before I really go back to work I think I might have to pour some of my famous Manhattan cocktails I think we should sauce up this Dragon a little bit what do you think you think we should do this like completely sober or we should get a few in us and set some pinball records we got 26 lonely men right now with Canada talking about pinball and YouTube this is it this is going to be like my retirement you guys I I tried to monetize this thing I I don't know how to meet the criteria for YouTube monetization I we'll try to figure it out again I don't I don't know what I'm doing wrong everybody make sure you subscribe to Canada's uh YouTube channel uh let's see what else I'm trying to read what you guys are saying here um there are lots of animations houses in China yeah guys we don't need like guys the world has like hundreds of thousands of animators out there like I I love how pinball people think the world is like there's not that many good artists for you guys are like out of your minds you do realize that a graphic designer let me just tell you something right now a graphic designer at my company most likely a senior one in the in the marketing ad world makes more money than Keith Elwin all right they make more money than Eric Minor they make way more money than all your pinball designers I I think it's funny how in this myopic space we don't realize like what real skill and real talent is is pay so you guys like just don't get it like pinball design is Tiny in terms of like the the need for it where the need for like good designers that are working on like multi-million dollar programs blows away these you know these people that we hold up as like gods and dieties in in this pinball space so yeah no Josh you're right there's tons of great ones and and I think what's funny to me is like pinball is this nice like it's a nice side it would be like a side hustle for really talented designers and artists it wouldn't be their focus but you know it much like you know all artists they struggle to have consistent work uh then why does the same artist do every single play look I I agree I agree I I think the artist should be selected based on the theme and I don't think they should just keep giving every theme to every artist now the reason why franie in a lot of ways is is a is a better option for that strategy is like he just takes the source material and makes it look really good see we're like Yeti's an illustrator man and like he's incredibly talented but you know his illustration style isn't always ideal for every theme he has to do it's like he's really good when it comes to comic book style stuff Godzilla isn't my favorite like I don't think he should have been used for Godzilla his art style again it's not what Godzilla art looks like when you look at all the iconic Godzilla posters and how you think about too Godzilla you know I don't think that was the right matchup and like so that's what's interesting right as we get towards King Kong and King Kong has those iconic movie posters from yester years that's what King Kong pinball should look like not newly Illustrated Kong so you know the thing is this though it's like you know they're also these companies are they you know they they want to do things more consistently because there's more cost Effectiveness there so you know Yeti is now an employee I'm not look and the thing is is with Stern making three cornerstones a year across a variety of themes there's always going to be more than enough work for zombie yeti on an annual basis um 14 games announce release last year how many this year so uh look Alm Mighty yogurt I I love these names Almighty yogurt I I feel like I'm talking to you guys on a very personal level uh engleberg humperdink and Almighty yogurt are are really standing out right now as as phenomenal YouTube names uh I think we get just as many games this year if not more and I I think you know we're gonna see I don't think we're GNA see anything new from American pinball that Ryan McQuaid post was was really um sad to see uh you know I hope Ryan really has a better year this year than he did last year year I I don't even know uh where to start with what I'm assuming it's a mixture of personal and professional and I also just think those two things are combined like when you become a pinball designer your professional world and your personal life are one and so I don't think we're gonna see cuphead but I do think we're gonna see more games from pinball brothers from padr gaming I think you know Turner pinball might have another game uh I think we're going to definitely see more from spooky we're g to see everyone's gonna come out I think we might see two from Jersey Jack Harry Potter is going to be so popular though I don't know if they're going to be able to like get another game out by the end of the year uh I think it's GNA be really exciting I think Stern's gonna start doing more remakes do you want a little bit of an exclusive on you know right now for all you guys who hopefully will hear this and then sign up for the can Club how about this I'll give you guys an exclusive right now what I've heard all right you ready all right let's all bring it in don't share this don't share this don't give this to Carrie Hardy and then Carrie's gonna you know say oh yeah I don't know why people are hearing this I don't know where people are hearing this hearing it right here Carrie after keithl wins King Kong the next two Stern Cornerstone games will be John Borg games H John Borg two cornerstones in a row so Kong now here's what I think that might mean we'll see maybe one is Tron and they're considering in a Cornerstone and maybe one is something else but if you think about it I mean Borg hasn't really had a new game in a long time like what was the last new John bore game was it Rush right is it Am I Wrong was it Rush huh I don't I think so oh we got Orbiter Albert in the house Albert do not waste money and go to Stern Pinball on Tuesday I keep telling my media friends why are you guys going to waste money and here's what's here's what's sad to me is like you guys are going to waste money and fly to freaking freezing cold Chicago to go into a corporate sort of no man's land area of Chicago to go see Dungeons and Dragons you you fool should fly to Vegas see Stern should be flying you guys to Vegas as special guests of CES they should put you up in hotel rooms and they should actually roll out the red carpet for the main content creators for their industry that's what everybody else does in the tech world that's what everyone else is doing all my friends in Tech media are going to CES they're all like you know they're not being treated like SCH bubs and you guys are funny you're like you're going to you're going to spend your own money to go to Stern Pinball and get the bour of the game because isn't everyone else going to be at CES while you guys are in Chicago and the fact that you're G to spend your own money is comical to me because that game is gonna be shipped out to dros like real soon and I just think like I just like go ahead man you guys are all wasting hundreds of dollars when they paid for your for John Wick uh and and again like I just think it's comical that you know you let them get away with this you let them and and you know I get it you want to be a part of something you want to feel special but how does that make any of you feel special you have to take money out of your own pocket I also don't think you could launch a game at a worse time than right now I don't know about all of you but man how many of you are looking at what you spent during the holidays and feeling like all right now's the time to sort of like tighten the belt a little bit you know drink less eat less spend less like New Year like new youu resolutions probably the worst week in the entire fiscal year to ask people to spend another $113,000 and then 10,000 for unlimited premiums I just don't like the timing I don't think CES is important to sell pinball machines I don't think pinball like pops out at a show like that and I just think that most people probably have had the most expensive holidays they've ever had because the world is so expensive now people I don't know about you but every time I go anywhere $100 here $100 there Big Macs are like5 $20 for a Big Mac meal like the world of dollar menus is over the I you know most people haven't had a good pay increase in forever so I don't know like maybe all y'all are just swimming in it and got great yearend bonuses but I I also like the world now like people don't get their bonuses anymore like in December they get them in like q1 so uh my company most company is like March you know it's like they wait for the first quarter to do it um it's weird Josh because like as much as like the economy is not in good shape the stock market is through the roof you know I was just looking into it like I bought some ethereum and I didn't even check it out I I lost my log into coinbase I'm like oh my God it like doubled so I'm like okay so other stuff has done great um the stock market's about to crash I mean engleberg everyone's been saying that now for the last like eight years the stock market's about the crash remember when covid hit everyone's like it's over the recession's here and then everyone made fortune you know and they keep making Fortune it's it's fine tax returns see see I'm going to owe on tax taxes because I have to pay for my podcast taxes um it's not going to crash it's not going to crash I I just don't think people want to spend money in January on pinball I I'm I I could be wrong I don't think it's a good time I I don't think it's a good time I think a lot of people go away to warm Carl Weathers vacations and they look for other things to spend money on so I don't know um so that's like that's like where I'm at I mean I told you the reason why I'm not buying a pinball machine right now is I I bought a a I bought Brenda a piece of jewelry that cost a pinball machine so I'm I'm good I'm good I'm good we're about to get the apartment money and I I'll be back back to good monthly cash flow the way I look at my finances in life people is like I've got my savings I don't dip into that ever use the savings for things that matter like a house and a mortgage and you know and like meaningful things that that are appreciating in value and then I've got like my pin money right that the phrase pin money is actually an old phrase from I don't know like a 100 or two hundred years ago pin money used to be money that women like they would stick a pin in it and it would be like money that they would use to buy things on the side like your PIN money was your money for you know sort of frivolous things that you wanted that you didn't really need and it's ironic that pin money today in modern times means the same thing like none of you need another pinball machine none of you need to spend this much money on a new pinball experience and I also just think everybody like let's just face it the the need to buy a new inbox game week one if you look at the data now statistically the data why would you do that knowing that there's a like 90% chance your Le is going to lose $3,000 in six months and then there's like you know a 75% chance your premium is going to lose like $2,000 in the same time period and really the only good buy is the pro they flipped the whole model people the only game that holds value decently now is the Pro on on the majority of games and knowing that the Pro Edition of the games have the same exact code the same experience it really has turned into the pro buyers are the smart guys and they're having more fun because think about it like this too gang a pro machine is half the price of an Le that is insane it never used to be that so one pro of DnD which will probably have the Dragon because they can't remove that Dragon if they want to make the game work right one pro of DN D is the price of two Lees and you know the pro machines now have nice artwork if you look if it were up to me and I keep telling this to the stern marketing folks you guys are making the pros too nice you're making the pros way too nice the artwork is way too nice on the pro the pro should be as pedestrian they should be sandbagging what the C artwork on the pro is like instead they idiotically sometimes make the pro artwork even better than the damn premium nle everything about the proos should be very basic it should be very basic just that you know they should not be putting nearly as much detail into the pro so absolutely crazy what's this 7,913 GoPro what I I don't I don't know I don't know what's going on here yeah yeah time check I know my computer's about to die Sarah's got it right you got 10 o'cl right yeah all right so you got we got 17 give me five more minutes we I got the ad donovans in that Brenda or sister are here they're gonna go do work do yeah people I I think I have work today but I'm taking off a personal day because I'm I'm old and I I need more time to recover and get back into the work mindset don't tell the the skimp on the pro they will look Keith man I'm just being honest man like the pro should look like it should look half as good as the Le you know what I'm saying like the the truth is this the Ellie buyer now is the dingbat the Ellie buyer is the sucker the only Le worth buying is either there's only two L now that are worth buying for the rest of all of what Stern does you only buy an Le if it's a remake of a classic like Metallica and you only buy an Le if it's Keith elwin that's it there is you you might as well just forget every other Le that they're gonna make because it's just not going to hold it's not going to be hard to get and and that's that you know so no it's just s it's a sucker bet Stephen you know I I look it's not like look if you have have money to buy a premium you have money to buy an Le and and this is what's killing Jersey Jack too with like you know you know what's funny is Jersey Jack will sell more Avatar CES than they will Avatar Ellie because if you have $122,000 to buy an avatar Ellie you have 15 to buy the CE and the CE is way nicer now the problem is this when Harry Potter comes out those Avatar CES are going to be worth less than $10,000 um you know Avatar CE is is just just gonna drop like a lead balloon in in value so you know that's that's the reality and and you know the fact that Jersey Jack is teasing Harry Potter and they haven't even shipped a single Avatar CE to customers I don't even know why they made Avatar to be honest they would have sold more Pirates if they remade Pirates they would have sold more Wizard of Oz machines I'm going to say this right now Jersey Jack if they remade Wizard of Oz to coincide with the launch of wicked they would have sold more more Wizard of Oz back on the line than Avatar and it's just like Avatar is going to go down much like father to me those two games barely made any nobody really wants them they they're never going to be the staple of the jjp collection none of them did anything unique I mean think about it like what what's the unique thing that they did the armor the topper right yeah UV lighting doesn't work well I I look it's it's a beautiful game with no personality that that is the the reality of Avatar look Guns and Roses Le Guns and Roses Le is the greatest value right now because you can get them for $6,000 and the reason why you can get them for $6,000 is because they made 6,000 of them right there is no shortage and what's crazy about G&R is hundreds of them and I mean this hundreds not like a handful hundreds of of them are sitting new in box around the world at dealers and dros and when you look when you put a G&R Le next to a Stern Pro or a Home pin machine or a Turner pinball like it's six grand gang it's six grand it it's like it's a no-brainer now now look now look you know and a person playing the Le is having pretty much just as much fun as someone playing the CE as a G&R owner you know and I love the CE I think it's a gorgeous work of art um I think the CES are GNA hold around like 11k maybe a little bit more but they're not going to go below 10K there's only 500 and you know it is the thing of the reason why I think the G&R CE isn't like a little bit higher I I don't think the topper is nice enough and I mean that like you think about the exclusive things you get yes the purple is beautiful the artwork is beautiful the topper on gnrc isn't really that nice and the other thing about it is when you hook up pin woofer sound system to Guns & Roses CE which I think everybody has done that by now you unhook the topper speaker so you're not even using the topper speaker because you don't need it when you hook up pin woofer um but yeah no it's a great time to buy a G&R Le they're gonna keep going down uh one more minute G I'm I'm gonna like I've been saying this recently and people think I'm crazy G&R Le will be worth $5,000 pretty soon and I keep saying that we're now going to get to the point with the oversaturation of games and there's so many games out there you're G to start to see games that you think you know you we're going to start to see games go into the three and $4,000 range where like if you want to move your Ultram man it's going to be $3,500 $4,000 and again there's just there's just again if you want to sell it there's just too many games out there and with brand new Le's going for 6,500 you know old or sorry and brand new Pros going for 6500 there's just going to be so many deals to be had so get ready for uh if you think you're not going to lose on your $5,000 $6,000 yeah I don't know I could see G&R hitting 5500 5,000 in the next year as well uh no there's not going to be a Topper Stern doesn't ever give Toppers on Le's so don't expect one you know okay everybody be good I got to go I'm going to clear out this room so people can work because I ain't working I'm just distracting everybody all right everybody I'll see you tomorrow noon what you go do today go figure something out all right later