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Kaneda D&D Test

Kaneda Pinball Podcasts YouTube Lives·video·41m 12s·held·Jan 3, 2025
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TL;DR

D&D test stream with commentary on game design, pricing, limited editions, and industry timing strategy.

Summary

Kaneda streams a technical test of screen-sharing ahead of a planned D&D pinball launch stream, discussing the game's dragon toy mechanic, playfield layout, and broader industry topics including pricing strategy, limited editions, manufacturer loyalty programs, and secondary market depreciation. The host critiques the timing of the D&D launch during post-holiday spending fatigue and CES scheduling, expresses skepticism about FOMO-driven dealer marketing, and offers exclusive commentary on upcoming Stern releases and designer assignments.

Key Claims

  • Stern releases only 5-10 games directly through their website to create artificial scarcity, not an indicator of actual popularity

    high confidence · Kaneda on live stream, discussing Stern's direct sales strategy

  • Every Stern game (John Wick, Venom, etc.) instantly sells out on Stern's website

    high confidence · Kaneda explaining artificial scarcity in Stern's direct sales model

  • D&D is a significantly better theme for pinball than Evil Dead due to broader franchise appeal and rewatchability

    medium confidence · Kaneda's opinion comparing Evil Dead and D&D themes

  • Evil Dead has not sold out all 800+ units because of theme limitations, not production or mechanics

    medium confidence · Kaneda speculating on Evil Dead sales underperformance

  • Goonies (next Spooky game) will sell out in the first hour of reveal and secondary market prices will exceed MSRP within one day

    medium confidence · Kaneda prediction based on theme popularity patterns

  • The Dungeons & Dragons Limited Edition (740 units) will technically 'sell out' through dealer allocations, but dealers won't find retail customers for all units at $13,000 on day one

    high confidence · Kaneda explaining distinction between dealer sell-through and actual customer demand

  • No major pinball manufacturer (Stern, Jersey Jack, Spooky) has ever implemented loyalty programs or VIP purchase priority for repeat/high-value customers

    high confidence · Kaneda stating he has asked Gary Stern, George Gomez, and Seth Davis about this

  • January is the worst time to launch a pinball game due to post-holiday spending fatigue and financial belt-tightening

    medium confidence · Kaneda's opinion on D&D launch timing

  • The D&D dragon toy will release balls from its mouth (vomit-style) rather than eat or consume them

Notable Quotes

  • “the game is going to sell through every single Dro is going to grab their LE that they get they have a certain allotment they're gonna buy them so the game is going to technically sell through AKA sell out but that doesn't mean that those dealers have found customers for all 740 units at 13,000 a pop”

    Kaneda @ ~03:45 — Explains the distinction between dealer allocation sell-through and actual customer demand for limited editions

  • “Dungeons and Dragons is a much better theme for pinball than Evil Dead... D and D is a better theme it's a bigger franchise it's way bigger”

    Kaneda @ ~05:20 — Compares theme viability and predicts market performance based on IP strength

  • “the reason Evil Dead has not sold out yet is because of the theme... when they release Goonies which is next Goonies will sell out day one Goonies will sell out in the first hour”

    Kaneda @ ~06:15 — Predicts Spooky's next release will dramatically outperform Evil Dead based on theme appeal

  • “the best onscreen animations I think I've seen in a game... are the animations in dialed in... dialed in like what's on that screen for the first time I felt like someone used the big screen in the right way”

    Kaneda @ ~12:40 — Evaluates animation quality across manufacturers and highlights Dialed In as benchmark

  • “after keith wins King Kong the next two Stern Cornerstone games will be John Borg games... so Kong now here's what I think that might mean we'll see maybe one is Tron”

    Kaneda @ ~18:50 — Claims exclusive intel about upcoming Stern Cornerstone release schedule and hints at Tron remake

  • “the only Le worth buying is either there's only two L now that are worth buying... you only buy an Le if it's a remake of a classic like Metallica and you only buy an Le if it's Keith elwin that's it”

    Kaneda @ ~26:40 — Strongly critiques Limited Edition purchasing strategy and identifies only two viable LE categories

  • “you might as well just forget every other Le that they're gonna make because it's just not going to hold... it's not going to be hard to get and that's that you know so no it's just it's a sucker bet”

Entities

KanedapersonBrian EddypersonGary SternpersonGeorge GomezpersonSeth DavispersonKeith ElwinpersonZombie Yeti

Signals

  • ?

    product_launch: Dungeons & Dragons pinball launching Friday via Stern Pinball with media event in Chicago; 740 Limited Edition units; three tier structure (Pro, Premium, LE); dragon toy mechanic with ball vomit/release behavior

    high · Kaneda testing stream technology for planned D&D launch coverage tomorrow at noon Eastern; multiple references to Friday launch date and Stern media event

  • $

    market_signal: Pro Edition machines now outperform Premium and Limited Edition in secondary market value retention, reversing historical patterns; Pro now costs half the LE price point

    medium · Kaneda analysis: 'Pro machines now have nice artwork... the pro should be as pedestrian... the only game that holds value decently now is the Pro on on the majority of games'

  • ?

    product_concern: Limited Edition machines experiencing rapid depreciation (losing ~$3,000 in 6 months) while Premium editions lose ~$2,000 in same period; LE purchases characterized as 'sucker bets' except for remakes or elite designer titles

    high · Kaneda: 'there's a like 90% chance your LE is going to lose $3,000 in six months... the only Le worth buying is either... a remake of a classic like Metallica and you only buy an Le if it's Keith elwin'

  • $

    market_signal: D&D Limited Edition will 'sell through' dealer allocations at 740 units but dealers will not locate retail customers for all units at $13,000 on day one; distinction between dealer sell-through and actual customer adoption

    high · Kaneda explaining D&D LE sales: 'the game is going to technically sell through... but that doesn't mean that those dealers have found customers for all 740 units at 13,000 a pop they're not going to find customers for all those on day one'

Transcript

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0:05
grown men rolling die got to get through the dungeon to beat the drag all right we're doing a little test here let me share this link with the dingbats my my dingbat motle crew fans let's see share copy link we can talk a little pinball who who amongst you plays DN D in your old age billion doll franchise you know it's like I know who plays it has anyone ever met anyone who plays D and D as an adult um we are pretty positive those people are not procreating though so it's probably the last generation of of D and D fans uh you know go into a bar and be like yo dude's like last night's D and D game was crazy okay never gonna hear that let's get people in here Brena don't look at me like that babe it's she's going she's got 50 minutes just let me do my test relax calm your horses geez geez Louise jeez Louise all right testing show show for DND D tomorrow come join come join and let's
1:22
chat all right let's see what here d d d DD look I got Roy's in the house Roy best wishes you too man it's going to be a good year every day above ground is a good day as Pitbull says Mr 405 is it 405 Brenda is that is that his zip code is no it's not is it is it 405 305 huh what's in the 405 I should be Mr 405 and just go live wherever that is and like one up one up pitball Scott Jones all right guys I'm gonna try something in a second you let me know if this works because I'm gonna I'm going to use this tomorrow to look at Stern Pinball's DND launch with everybody live and you know I had those big technical complications when I did the uh the Canada Kudos award which by the way is world famous now um for it's
2:33
all right can you guys tell me can you tell me if you see I'm going to share screen and I'm going to

medium confidence · Kaneda's analysis of dragon mechanic based on promotional video

  • Pro Edition machines now hold value better than Premium or Limited Edition, reversing historical depreciation patterns

    medium confidence · Kaneda analyzing recent machine depreciation data and tier strategy

  • Kaneda @ ~27:00 — Characterizes non-remake, non-elite-player LEs as poor investments

  • “Pro machines now have nice artwork if you look if it were up to me and I keep telling this to the stern marketing folks you guys are making the pros too nice... the pro should be as pedestrian... instead they idiotically sometimes make the pro artwork even better than the damn premium nle”

    Kaneda @ ~24:50 — Critiques Stern's Pro tier art strategy and suggests counterintuitive tier-based differentiation approach

  • “I also just think you let them get away with this you let them and and you know I get it you want to be a part of something you want to feel special but how does that make any of you feel special you have to take money out of your own pocket”

    Kaneda @ ~17:30 — Criticizes media's acceptance of paying for event attendance vs. manufacturer-sponsored coverage model

  • “Jersey Jack if they remade Wizard of Oz to coincide with the launch of wicked they would have sold more more Wizard of Oz back on the line than Avatar”

    Kaneda @ ~30:00 — Predicts Jersey Jack would have achieved better sales with different IP remakes aligned to film releases

  • person
    Ryan McQuaidperson
    John Borgperson
    Stern Pinballcompany
    Spooky Pinballcompany
    Jersey Jack Pinballcompany
    American Pinballcompany
    Pinball Brotherscompany
    Barrels of Funcompany
    Dungeons & Dragonsgame
    Evil Deadgame
    Gooniesgame
    Avatargame
    King Konggame
    Dialed In!game
    Metallicagame
    The Wizard of Ozgame
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    sentiment_shift: Community skepticism rising toward aggressive FOMO-driven dealer marketing; Kaneda explicitly discourages immediate purchases and questions scarcity narratives

    medium · Kaneda: 'I just encourage each and every one of you just absolutely enjoy the reveal don't order anything on Friday trust me the game's not going to sell out... don't go off of stern website thinking the game is like moving like hot cakes'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Stern intentionally limits direct website sales to 5-10 units per game release to manufacture 'sold out' perception; does not reflect actual popularity or demand across entire market

    high · Kaneda: 'they only release about five to 10 games at most sold directly through Stern and they do that on purpose to sort of say that it's sold out again not an indication of how popular the game is'

  • ?

    community_signal: No major pinball manufacturer implements VIP customer purchase priority or loyalty rewards for repeat/high-value buyers; Kaneda claims to have directly asked Gary Stern, George Gomez, and Seth Davis about this

    high · Kaneda: 'nobody and I mean this not Jersey Jack not Stern not spooky nobody has rewarded consistent long-term buyers... I asked this of Seth Davis and George Gomez and Gary Stern I was in the room with them have you ever given anybody who's bought $250,000 in your product...'

  • ?

    industry_signal: Pinball manufacturers increasingly expecting media/content creators to fund their own travel and accommodation for product launch events rather than providing sponsorship or coverage support; contrasts with tech industry standards

    medium · Kaneda criticizing media flying to Chicago: 'Stern should be flying you guys to Vegas as special guests of CES they should put you up in hotel rooms... that's what everybody else does in the tech world... you're going to waste money on this'

  • ?

    product_strategy: IP/theme selection dramatically impacts game sales velocity and secondary market value; D&D predicted stronger appeal than Evil Dead; Goonies expected to outperform both; popular cultural IP licenses drive FOMO and depreciation resistance

    high · Kaneda: 'Dungeons and Dragons is a much better theme for pinball than Evil Dead... when they release Goonies... Goonies will sell out day one Goonies will sell out in the first hour... Goonies spots will be sold for more than MSRP within one day'

  • $

    market_signal: January identified as worst possible launch timing for high-ticket consumer goods; post-holiday financial depletion and belt-tightening create demand headwinds; tax burdens and vacation travel compete for discretionary spending

    medium · Kaneda: 'probably the worst week in the entire fiscal year to ask people to spend another $113,000... how many of you are looking at what you spent during the holidays and feeling like all right now's the time to sort of like tighten the belt'

  • ?

    machine_intel: King Kong Stern Cornerstone followed by two consecutive John Borg-designed Cornerstone games; one rumored to be Tron remake; no timeline provided for releases

    high · Kaneda exclusive: 'after keith wins King Kong the next two Stern Cornerstone games will be John Borg games... so Kong now here's what I think that might mean we'll see maybe one is Tron'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Concern that consistent artist assignment (e.g., Zombie Yeti on all Stern games) leads to style-theme mismatches; Godzilla art criticized as poor fit for game's monster IP; King Kong should match iconic vintage movie poster aesthetic rather than new illustration style

    medium · Kaneda: 'Yeti's an illustrator... he's really good when it comes to comic book style stuff Godzilla isn't my favorite... his art style again it's not what Godzilla art looks like... King Kong pinball should look like not newly Illustrated Kong'

  • 2:52
    right all right can you guys see okay can you see me can you see the stern screen and and me talking I'm going to play the video and let me know if you can see me talking you can can you see both now
    3:14
    [Music] here can you hear their screen with me [Music]
    3:36
    [Music] I love how that wh did anyone hasn't deciphered all right awesome so it works did did did anyone your audio is low when the trailer is playing that's fine I'm not gonna talk over anything so that's fine is the audio better now yeah I made the video audio loud so we can lower that a little bit but how's my audio now is it good man I'm like I'm like excited to see this thing let's go let's go to this Dragon do we think let's pause [Music] it it does look like the attack from Mars Dragon right let's just keep this
    4:38
    what do you guys think you think this dragon eats the ball man I love the way you read that description yesterday really cracked me up yeah right I mean it was like the nerdiest thing I've ever read and and it's like these grown men are like yeah man I'm totally into DND D and you're like yeah man can't wait to grab the amulet that features little gemstone that lets The Necromancer pause necromancy skills in the third left tunnel of the trolls left wind you know it's like what the heck is this stuff welcome to DND people I think balls will release from its mouth but can't shoot it in well that makes sense though right that makes sense the ball should fire from the dragon like he's firing a flame right you know the flame doesn't go into his mouth so it it does look like the the mouth has a ramp there with no lower teeth and it's gonna open up it but it's it lookes it's it looks I don't just looking at it right now it does look like it's going to um look more like it's vomiting pinballs at us so we shall see uh it definitely looks like there's the three Bank Target below the Dragon uh how's the audio by the way is it popping at all because when I did my show I'm wondering if I'm just too close to it if I need to just let's see I don't get really any audio settings on YouTube but hopefully it sounds all right how's it sound Dragon maybe eats the why would the dragon eat the ball I don't think so uh it it it does feel like we're going to get a fan layout and that is seemingly Brian Eddie's thing uh I you know I'm I'm on Facebook now and all the it's interesting seeing all the dealers right they're already trying to get the fomo going uh order yours today order here Order there there's so many dealers and dros now and it's funny how they're just all gonna spam us as if we're unaware so I I just encourage each and every one of you just absolutely enjoy the reveal don't order anything on Friday trust me the game's not going to sell out what the game is going to do it's going to sell through every single Dro is going to grab their Le that they get they have a certain allotment they're gonna buy them so the game is going to technically sell through AKA sell out but that doesn't mean that those dealers have found customers for all 740 units at 13,000 a pop they're not going to find customers for all those on day one the other thing is this don't go off of stern website thinking the game is like moving like hot cakes they only release about five to 10 games at most sold directly through Stern and they do that on purpose to sort of say that it's sold out again not an indication of how popular the game is every single game John Wick included Venom included every single game is an instant sellout on Stern's website okay spooky didn't even sell out Evil Dead you're right man you're right it's crazy when you think about it everything that's look the reason why spooky did not sell out of Evil Dead is it's because it's Evil Dead let's be honest folks that movie is not hugely popular with most of us okay I've seen it you've seen it do you watch it over and over again Dungeons and Dragons is a much better theme for pinball than Evil Dead and you know as much as Evil Dead looks amazing and the mechs are cool like all it's cool it's but it's still Evil Dead like do you want to own an evil dead game do you want to watch those movie clips over and over and over again I don't I don't D and D is a better theme it's a bigger franchise it's way bigger it's way bigger um the thing about look the thing about D and D being nerdy yeah like but it's not going to go into that level of nerdiness they're going to take thematically DN and take the elements of DN D but it's not going to be the way you experience it when you play the the the game in real life you know the the game on a table with the books and all the descriptions and all the die roll like it's not going to be nearly as nerdy as that all right so like I've seen Evil Dead one and two 200 times all right well cool man look here's the good news if you're obsessed with Evil Dead you are very happy with that title but the reason Evil Dead hasn't sold out yet that was the point I'm responding to the reason Evil Dead has not sold out yet is because of the theme I mean they put everything in the kitchen sink into the game so why didn't they sell 800 and you know whatever 80 of them because of the theme when they release Goonies which is next Goonies will sell out day one Goonies will sell out in the first hour and then Goonies spots will be sold for more than MSRP within one day of reveal you understand what I mean there see how that works with the theme and popularity and and having an emotional connection to a theme matters a lot so and with a big pirate ship and what's going to be in Goonies going to be a way bigger response than Evil Dead I bet Evil Dead will sell out by Canada Day okay well I don't know who knows here here's the reason why I don't think they sold the last I don't know like 50 or 100 of them is because I think everyone is also aware that once spooky makes 400 of them it's going to be easy to cut the line get one for less money and why would you want to be at the end of the line because that's the problem and remember the deposits are non-refundable so if you give your the if you go in now on an evil debt and you're at the end of the line you can't get your money back and you're going to watch people be able to buy the game you want in front of you and for less money so that is why the later deposits are really the last place you want to be with a boutique deposit and I think the same thing might be true with Alice's Adventures in Wonderland you know you want to either get your game early enjoy the game game or you want to just wait and get it on the secondhand Market that's what's going to happen it's what happens with all these boutique games uh and you know they're GNA bring some games to the show and you're going to be able to cut the line there and then people are gonna like you think about like this people might want D and D over Evil Dead people who put deposits down on Evil Dead are going to then by the time their Evil Dead is even on the line gang they're going to see DND D they're going to see um King Kong they're going to see Harry Potter they're going to see you know maybe Gremlins from barrels whatever Barrel's next game is so that's the thing too is you know it's going to take them six months to get halfway through the builds of Evil Dead and by the time your game is up you might want something else and you might not have room and you might not uh you know have enough money to buy two games in one year uh if spooky was smart they wouldn't limit Goonies uh Josh come on don't don't don't say things you they need every game needs to have a limit with these Boutique companies you know it it's without that then no one goes in if you make an unlimited amount of Goonies then why would anyone rush to buy one if you're going to make them forever you need to have some sort of fomo built into these Boutique companies uh you can't just yeah I look I do think they Josh I do agree with you they should limit the number of CES uh this whole like will make as many CES as people want and then every single game is a CE and then you know the the highest trim version is the most made version is not really the I don't know it but again like I like what they're doing with Evil Dead there's no trim levels right there's just one there's just one version so just make one version of Goonies and make whatever 800 or a thousand and let that game be forever in demand that is the way to do it you you you don't want to burn your customers you you want to make it when you're building a brand a pinball company brand you want everyone who's bought your products to feel like they're part of some club and I I also think what's become ridiculous in pinball is that nobody has nobody and I mean this not Jersey Jack not Stern not spooky nobody nobody has rewarded consistent long-term buyers with the ability to get first dib on new games think about how silly that is that and I asked this of Seth Davis and George Gomez and Gary Stern I was in the room with them have you ever given anybody who's bought $250,000 in your product have you ever given them the ability to buy a game without having to wait online without having to maybe miss out on it they've never done that and the same is true with like spooky yeah you can be part of the fan club but I mean it when I say this like anyone who buys an evil dead gets first dibs at Goonies imagine if they said that anybody who's bought three or more spooky titles never has to wait online again imagine if they said that you know there's absolutely no loyalty you know I go to one of my favorite restaurants and there might be a line outside every day I don't wait on line because I go all the time and like Chris you're a normal you know you're one of our best customers and we want to make it so you don't have to wait like everybody else uh because you've shown us loyalty and spent a lot of money with us and the new people online are brand new they don't deserve to get the same treatment as you but there is no system like that because there is no marketing that is focused on the customer for the most part the world of marketing in pinball completely is just not nonexistent it's existent let's get to a different screen here there we go uh do you guys want to look at D and D or me I don't even know why I'm screen I'm not showing you
    15:40
    anything all right so um if you're a member of the Canada Club you got some good exclusive info today it's how I do it people I don't I don't wait I don't wait I I don't need to like I don't I don't need to do things on a schedule I don't even need to do things with fact check in I just I got a little birdie whispered in my ear this morning what's the next py gaming title uh Hey Canada did did Stern do the Metallica animations uh I believe so I I don't think they brought in anybody from outside I don't think those are from Metallica I I don't know if Metallica has like a cartoon or those animations were for their concert uh but I believe those were all done by Stern
    16:33
    uh Outsource yeah probably Josh I mean look it makes total sense for them to work with vendors and other Studios that are out there for animations I I and I I think that's smart I don't think you should rely only on inhouse animators when you're making a pinball machine Stern animations are a joke compared to Jersey Jack and spooky I I don't agree with that engleberg Humper dink from Princess Bride I I I think you're wrong on that you think spooky animations are better than the stuff that's happening in X-Men and in Godzilla and enjo no spooky animations are not better than Sterns there's not a single spooky game with better animations jjp's animations are really good what JJ P um has done well is they've sort of they just have a beautiful big screen you know JP to win really you know makes everything look really nice and Polished I wouldn't say like you know some of the G&R animations are really cool I I wouldn't say like they're mindblowing you know like when the gun revolver fires what your bonus is or the extra ball or slashes so solo comes up like they're they're really good to me the best animations I've ever seen I I'm just going to be candid here the best onscreen animations I I think I've seen in a game that just made me feel like more modern pinball should be like this are the animations in dialed in to me dialed in like what's on that screen for the first time I felt like someone used the big screen in the right way and dialed in real it just it just such a it just all looks so nice thinking about what the theme is and the city and like I just love dialed in's animations and it felt like they worked hard on them uh we got a question can't wait for DNA tomorrow yes um I I can't wait either uh I hope you guys all hang out here it's going to be right here we're going to do it right on the YouTube channel uh going to do it starting at noon Eastern Standard Time it's Friday it's the last Friday before I really go back to work I think I might have to pour some of my famous Manhattan cocktails I think we should sauce up this Dragon a little bit what do you think you think we should do this like completely sober or we should get a few in us and set some pinball records we got 26 lonely men right now with Canada talking about pinball and YouTube this is it this is going to be like my retirement you guys I I tried to monetize this thing I I don't know how to meet the criteria for YouTube monetization I we'll try to figure it out again I don't I don't know what I'm doing wrong everybody make sure you subscribe to Canada's uh YouTube channel uh let's see what else I'm trying to read what you guys are saying here um there are lots of animations houses in China yeah guys we don't need like guys the world has like hundreds of thousands of animators out there like I I love how pinball people think the world is like there's not that many good artists for you guys are like out of your minds you do realize that a graphic designer let me just tell you something right now a graphic designer at my company most likely a senior one in the in the marketing ad world makes more money than Keith ellwin all right they make more money than Eric Minor they make way more money than all your pinball designers I I think it's funny how in this myopic space we don't realize like what real skill and real talent is is pay so you guys like just don't get it like pinball design is Tiny in terms of like the the need for it where the need for like good designers that are working on like multi-million dollar programs blows away these you know these people that we hold up as like gods and dieties in in this pinball space so yeah no Josh you're right there's tons of great ones and and I think what's funny to me is like pinball is this nice like it's a nice side it would be like a side hustle for really talented designers and artists it wouldn't be their focus but you know it much like you know all artists they struggle to have consistent work uh then why does the same artist do every single play look I I I agree I agree I I think the artist should be selected based on the theme and I don't think they should just keep giving every theme to every artist now the reason why franie in a lot of ways is is is a is a better option for that strategy is like he just takes the source material and makes it look really good see we're like Yeti's an illustrator man and like he's incredibly talented but you know his illustration style isn't always ideal for every theme he has to do it's like he's really good when it comes to comic book style stuff Godzilla isn't my favorite like I don't think he should have been used for Godzilla his art style again it's not what Godzilla art looks like when you look at all the iconic Godzilla posters and how you think about too Godzilla you know I don't think that was the right matchup and like so that's what's interesting right as we get towards King Kong and King Kong has those iconic movie posters from yester years that's what King Kong pinball should look like not newly Illustrated Kong so you know the thing is this though it's like you know they're also these companies are they you know they they want to do things more consistently because there's more cost Effectiveness there so you know Yeti is now an employee I'm not look and the thing is is with Stern making three cornerstones a year across a variety of themes there's always going to be more than enough work for zombie yeti on an annual basis um 14 games announce release last year how many this year so uh look Alm Mighty yogurt I I love these names Almighty yogurt I I I feel like I'm talking to you guys on a very personal level uh engleberg humperdink and Almighty yogurt are are really standing out right now as as phenomenal YouTube names uh I think we get just as many games this year if not more and I I think you know we're gonna see I don't think we're GNA see anything new from American pinball that Ryan McQuade post was was really um sad to see uh you know I hope Ryan really has a better year this year than he did last year year I I I don't even know uh where to start with what I'm assuming it's a mixture of personal and professional and I also just think those two things are combined like when you become a pinball designer your professional world and your personal life are one and so I don't think we're gonna see cuphead but I do think we're gonna see more games from pinball brothers from padr gaming I think you know Turner pinball might have another game uh I think we're going to definitely see more from spooky we're g to see everyone's gonna come out I think we might see two from Jersey Jack Harry Potter is going to be so popular though I don't know if they're going to be able to like get another game out by the end of the year uh I think it's GNA be really exciting I think Stern's gonna start doing more remakes do you want a little bit of an exclusive on you know right now for all you guys who hopefully will hear this and then sign up for the can Club how about this I'll give you guys an exclusive right now what I've heard all right you ready all right let's all bring it in don't share this don't share this don't give this to Carrie Hardy and then Carrie's gonna you know say oh yeah I don't know why people are hearing this I don't know where people are hearing this hearing it right here Carrie after keithl wins King Kong the next two Stern Cornerstone games will be John Borg games H John Borg two cornerstones in a row so Kong now here's what I think that might mean we'll see maybe one is Tron and they're considering in a Cornerstone and maybe one is something else but if you think about it I mean Borg hasn't really had a new game in a long time like what was the last new John bore game was it Rush right is it Am I Wrong was it Rush huh I don't I think
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    so oh we got Orbiter Albert in the house Albert do not waste money and go to Stern Pinball on Tuesday I keep telling my media friends why are you guys going to waste money and here's what's here's what's sad to me is like you guys are going to waste money and fly to freaking freezing cold Chicago to go into a corporate sort of no man's land area of Chicago to go see Dungeons and Dragons you you you fool should fly to Vegas see Stern should be flying you guys to Vegas as special guests of CES they should put you up in hotel rooms and they should actually roll out the red carpet for the main content creators for their industry that's what everybody else does in the tech world that's what everyone else is doing all my friends in Tech media are going to CES they're all like you know they're not being treated like SCH bubs and you guys are funny you're like you're going to you're going to spend your own money to go to Stern Pinball and get the bour of the game because isn't everyone else going to be at CES while you guys are in Chicago and the fact that you're G to spend your own money is comical to me because that game is gonna be shipped out to dros like real soon and I just think like I just like go ahead man you guys are all wasting hundreds of dollars when they paid for your for John Wick uh and and and again like I just think it's comical that you know you let them get away with this you let them and and you know I get it you want to be a part of something you want to feel special but how does that make any of you feel special you have to take money out of your own pocket I also don't think you could launch a game at a worse time than right now I don't know about all of you but man how many of you are looking at what you spent during the holidays and feeling like all right now's the time to sort of like tighten the belt a little bit you know drink less eat less spend less like New Year like new youu resolutions probably the worst week in the entire fiscal year to ask people to spend another $113,000 and then 10,000 for unlimited premiums I just don't like the timing I don't think CES is important to sell pinball machines I don't think pinball like pops out at a show like that and I just think that most people probably have had the most expensive holidays they've ever had because the world is so expensive now people I don't know about you but every time I go anywhere $100 here $100 there Big Macs are like5 $20 for a Big Mac meal like the world of dollar menus is over the I you know most people haven't had a good pay increase in forever so I don't know like maybe all y'all are just swimming in it and got great yearend bonuses but I I also like the world now like people don't get their bonuses anymore like in December they get them in like q1 so uh my company most company is like March you know it's like they wait for the first quarter to do it um it's weird Josh because like as much as like the economy is not in good shape the stock market is through the roof you know I was just looking into it like I bought some ethereum and I didn't even check it out I I lost my log into coinbase I'm like oh my God it like doubled so I'm like okay so other stuff has done great um the stock market's about to crash I mean engleberg everyone's been saying that now for the last like eight years the stock market's about the crash remember when covid hit everyone's like it's over the recession's here and then everyone made fortune you know and they keep making Fortune it's it's fine tax returns see see I'm going to owe on tax taxes because I have to pay for my podcast taxes um it's not going to crash it's not going to crash I I just don't think people want to spend money in January on pinball I I'm I I could be wrong I don't think it's a good time I I I don't think it's a good time I think a lot of people go away to warm weather vacations and they look for other things to spend money on so I don't know um so that's like that's like where I'm at I mean I told you the reason why I'm not buying a pinball machine right now is I I bought a a a a I bought Brenda a piece of jewelry that cost a pinball machine so I'm I'm good I'm good I'm good we're about to get the apartment money and I I'll be back back to good monthly cash flow the way I look at my finances in life people is like I've got my savings I don't dip into that ever use the savings for things that matter like a house and a mortgage and you know and like meaningful things that that are appreciating in value and then I've got like my pin money right that the phrase pin money is actually an old phrase from I don't know like a 100 or two hundred years ago pin money used to be money that women like they would stick a pin in it and it would be like money that they would use to buy things on the side like your PIN money was your money for you know sort of frivolous things that you wanted that you didn't really need and it's ironic that pin money today in modern times means the same thing like none of you need another pinball machine none of you need to spend this much money on a new pinball experience and I also just think everybody like let's just face it the the need to buy a new inbox game week one if you look at the data now statistically the data why would you do that knowing that there's a like 90% chance your Le is going to lose $3,000 in six months and then there's like you know a 75% chance your premium is going to lose like $2,000 in the same time period and really the only good buy is the pro they flipped the whole model people the only game that holds value decently now is the Pro on on the majority of games and knowing that the Pro Edition of the games have the same exact code the same experience it really has turned into the pro buyers are the smart guys and they're having more fun because think about it like this too gang a pro machine is half the price of an Le that is insane it never used to be that so one pro of DnD which will probably have the Dragon because they can't remove that Dragon if they want to make the game work right one pro of DN D is the price of two Lees and you know the pro machines now have nice artwork if you look if it were up to me and I keep telling this to the stern marketing folks you guys are making the pros too nice you're making the pros way too nice the artwork is way too nice on the pro the pro should be as pedestrian they should be sandbagging what the C artwork on the pro is like instead they idiotically sometimes make the pro artwork even better than the damn premium nle everything about the proos should be very basic it should be very basic just that you know they should not be putting nearly as much detail into the pro so absolutely crazy what's this 7,913 GoPro what I I don't I don't know I don't know what's going on here yeah yeah time check I know my computer's about to die Sarah's got it right you got 10 o'cl right yeah all right so you got we got 17 give me five more minutes we I got the ad donovans in that Brenda or sister are here they're gonna go do work do yeah people I I I think I have work today but I'm taking off a personal day because I'm I'm old and I I I need more time to recover and get back into the work mindset don't tell the the skimp on the pro they will look Keith man I'm just being honest man like the pro should look like it should look half as good as the Le you know what I'm saying like the the the truth is this the Ellie buyer now is the dingbat the Ellie buyer is the sucker the only Le worth buying is either there's only two L now that are worth buying for the rest of all of what Stern does you only buy an Le if it's a remake of a classic like Metallica and you only buy an Le if it's Keith elwin that's it there is you you might as well just forget every other Le that they're gonna make because it's just not going to hold it's not going to be hard to get and and that's that you know so no it's just s it's a sucker bet Stephen you know I I look it's not like look if you have have money to buy a premium you have money to buy an Le and and and this is what's killing Jersey Jack too with like you know you know what's funny is Jersey Jack will sell more Avatar CES than they will Avatar Ellie because if you have $122,000 to buy an avatar Ellie you have 15 to buy the CE and the CE is way nicer now the problem is this when Harry Potter comes out those Avatar CES are going to be worth less than $10,000 um you know Avatar CE is is just just gonna drop like a lead balloon in in value so you know that's that's the reality and and and you know the fact that Jersey Jack is teasing Harry Potter and they haven't even shipped a single Avatar CE to customers I don't even know why they made Avatar to be honest they would have sold more Pirates if they remade Pirates they would have sold more Wizard of Oz machines I'm going to say this right now Jersey Jack if they remade Wizard of Oz to coincide with the launch of wicked they would have sold more more Wizard of Oz back on the line than Avatar and it's just like Avatar is going to go down much like father to me those two games barely made any nobody really wants them they they're never going to be the staple of the jjp collection none of them did anything unique I mean think about it like what what's the unique thing that they did the armor the topper right yeah UV lighting doesn't work well I I I I look it's it's it's a beautiful game with no personality that that is the the reality of Avatar look Guns and Roses Le Guns and Roses Le is the greatest value right now because you can get them for $6,000 and the reason why you can get them for $6,000 is because they made 6,000 of them right there is no shortage and what's crazy about G&R is hundreds of them and I mean this hundreds not like a handful hundreds of of them are sitting new in box around the world at dealers and dros and when you look when you put a G&R Le next to a Stern Pro or a Home pin machine or a Turner pinball like it's six grand gang it's six grand it it's like it's a no-brainer now now look now look you know and a person playing the Le is having pretty much just as much fun as someone playing the CE as a G&R owner you know and I love the CE I think it's a gorgeous work of art um I think the CES are GNA hold around like 11k maybe a little bit more but they're not going to go below 10K there's only 500 and you know it is the thing of the reason why I think the G&R CE isn't like a little bit higher I I I don't think the topper is nice enough and I mean that like you think about the exclusive things you get yes the purple is beautiful the artwork is beautiful the topper on gnrc isn't really that nice and the other thing about it is when you hook up pin woofer sound system to Guns & Roses CE which I think everybody has done that by now you unhook the topper speaker so you're not even using the topper speaker because you don't need it when you hook up pin woofer um but yeah no it's a great time to buy a G&R Le they're gonna keep going down uh one more minute G I'm I'm gonna like I've been saying this recently and people think I'm crazy G&R Le will be worth $5,000 pretty soon and I keep saying that we're now going to get to the point with the oversaturation of games and there's so many games out there you're G to start to see games that you think you know you we're going to start to see games go into the three and $4,000 range where like if you want to move your Ultram man it's going to be $3,500 $4,000 and again there's just there's just again if you want to sell it there's just too many games out there and with brand new Le's going for 6,500 you know old or sorry and brand new Pros going for 6500 there's just going to be so many deals to be had so get ready for uh if you think you're not going to lose on your $5,000 $6,000 yeah I don't know I could see G&R hitting 5500 5,000 in the next year as well uh no there's not going to be a Topper Stern doesn't ever give Toppers on Le's so don't expect one you know okay everybody be good I got to go I'm going to clear out this room so people can work because I ain't working I'm just distracting everybody all right everybody I'll see you tomorrow noon what you go do today go figure something out all right later