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Deep Root Pinball collapsed due to founder Robert Mueller's fraud, mismanagement, and $58M investor scheme.
The SEC charged Robert Mueller and Deep Root with defrauding approximately 300 investors of roughly $58 million between September 2015 and February 2021
high confidence · Direct SEC quote read by Zach: 'from at least September 2015 to at least February 2021 robert j muller and deep root both investment advisors defrauded two investment funds they advise and nearly 300 people who invested roughly $58 million in the funds'
The $58 million in investor funds came from life insurance policy investments, not from direct Deep Root Pinball stock sales (which failed in 2015)
high confidence · BJ: 'In 2015, he issued a stock for people to try to invest in Deep Root Pinball and nobody bit. And so then it was later after that, that all the other investments for the life insurance policies came from. And then according to the SEC, that's what paid for Deep Root Pinball.'
Deep Root rented a 47,000 square foot facility without verifying it could support manufacturing operations; it lacked adequate electrical power and structural capability
high confidence · BJ: 'Forty seven thousand square feet without checking, like, could it support manufacturing and spoiler alert, it couldn't. And so he was bringing in demolitionist electricians. He hired a full time electrician just to try to rig the place to be able to.'
Deep Root rented a second facility down the street to store machinery that wouldn't fit in the main building, but the forklift Mueller purchased was too large to maneuver in that secondary facility
high confidence · BJ: 'They rented another building right down the street from the headquarters... And the original purpose of the forklift was they were going to hire someone and pay him $60,000 to like smash a new hole through the wall... But I think finally the landlord was like, you have to stop destroying my building.'
Utah Department of Labor fined Deep Root Studios over $1 million for workplace labor violations around 2018, likely related to non-payment of employees
medium confidence · BJ: 'the Utah Department of Labor find deeper studios over a million dollars for like workplace labor violations. I assume about not paying people back then because we know I don't even know... if enough people have said that getting paid was a problem at Deep Root regularly.'
“If you're throwing things on a wall what are some of the big reasons... you could answer with one word and say Robert. That wouldn't be an exaggeration.”
Blueberry Johnson @ ~35:00 — BJ's succinct diagnosis of Deep Root's failure—founder incompetence and arrogance as the root cause
“You can have all the money in the world, but if the person in charge at the top doesn't know how to use it, it's going to result in this.”
Blueberry Johnson @ ~36:00 — Core insight into how Mueller's inexperience and ego destroyed a well-funded venture
“Robert came out of the gate saying, I've got money, and not only are we going to make a game, we're going to make more games in one year than all of the pinball companies combined.”
Zach @ ~39:00 — Illustrates Mueller's grandiose, unrealistic ambitions that doomed the company
“He wanted to make pinball machines. He just had no fucking idea what he was doing, and he didn't want anyone to tell him how to do it because he's him, and so he knows best.”
Blueberry Johnson @ ~47:00 — Captures Mueller's fatal combination of ignorance and refusal to accept expert guidance
“Some employees thought he fancied himself as Elon Musk. and whatever you think of Elon Musk, he's actually, I think, producing stuff. He's a visionary here, this Robert.”
Blueberry Johnson @ ~52:00 — Sarcastic comparison highlighting Mueller's delusion of grandeur without actual competence or results
“from at least September 2015 to at least February 2021 robert j muller and deep root both investment advisors defrauded two investment funds they advise and nearly 300 people who invested roughly $58 million in the funds.”
SEC (quoted by Zach) @ ~27:00 — Official SEC fraud charge establishing the $58M theft and scope of victims (~300 investors)
“his priorities, I don't know. I think he was mostly interested in looking great and having a great office and not necessarily listening to anyone telling him what he actually needed to succeed.”
business_signal: Deep Root managed inventory, purchasing, and financial tracking via Google Sheets without formal inventory system, creating risk of data loss and preventing proper supply chain management.
medium · BJ: 'They managed everything through Google Sheets... where if somebody deletes something, you've got to try to figure out what was going... hundreds of thousands of dollars they owe contractors.'
business_signal: Mueller rejected critical $15 part purchases while approving hundreds of thousands of dollars in non-functional equipment, indicating catastrophic prioritization failure and disconnection from manufacturing realities.
high · BJ: 'he would front on approving a $15 purchase price for some part that was needed. But then one of his right-hand men would be like, let's go buy this $350,000 machine that doesn't even work properly.'
business_signal: Deep Root's facility selection was driven by Mueller's personal convenience (proximity to his home) rather than operational requirements, resulting in a 47,000 sq ft space that lacked electrical capacity, structural integrity, and manufacturing suitability.
high · BJ: 'I was just told that the reason they picked the facility was because it was near his house. Forty seven thousand square feet without checking, like, could it support manufacturing and spoiler alert, it couldn't.'
business_signal: Deep Root rented an additional secondary facility to store equipment that wouldn't fit in the main 47,000 sq ft building, and purchased a forklift ($60K+) that was too large to maneuver in the secondary facility, exemplifying systemic operational incompetence.
high · BJ: 'They rented another building right down the street... the forklift... was too big to even turn around in the other facility... the original purpose of the forklift was they were going to hire someone and pay him $60,000 to like smash a new hole through the wall.'
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Deep Root employees were regularly not paid, with management blaming investor pipeline dry-ups and COVID, while Mueller continued hiring during these periods
high confidence · Zach: 'they would be given an excuse, hey, we're not getting paid because we're looking for these investors... they would hire people during these times. Nobody was getting paid.'
Mueller rejected $15 part purchases from engineers but approved $350,000+ machinery purchases that did not function properly
medium confidence · BJ: 'he would front on approving a $15 purchase price for some part that was needed. But then one of his right-hand men would be like, let's go buy this $350,000 machine that doesn't even work properly.'
Mueller spent tens of thousands of dollars on external lighting upgrades during the final week before shutdown while employees remained unpaid
medium confidence · BJ: 'Down to the last week before the doors shut, Robert had, I think, signed a contract, if not he was planning to, to redo all the external lighting to the cost of tens of thousands of dollars... And this is when people have been furloughed. People keep not getting paid.'
Deep Root managed inventory and purchasing through Google Sheets without a formal inventory system, with critical information at risk of deletion
medium confidence · BJ: 'They managed everything through Google Sheets, but the biggest Google Sheets you would ever imagine, like the same ones that maybe you'd use at your regular office where if somebody deletes something, you've got to try to figure out what was going.'
Deep Root spent significant money sponsoring a soccer team (the Scorpions) while the company was financially unstable, and Mueller discussed plans to bring MLS to San Antonio
medium confidence · BJ: 'Robert, you know, when you're a mogul, You can't just conquer selling insurance and you can't just conquer gold mining in Africa and you can't just conquer pinball... they had the Deep Roots. Deep Root Funds was sponsoring the Scorpions'
Blueberry Johnson @ ~58:00 — Characterizes Mueller's fixation on appearance and status over operational competence
“It was really unfortunate because there are a lot of talented people working there that would try to do what Robert wanted and even had a good level of success, though it wouldn't be the right things to do. And then he'd just come in and just almost like a tornado, change everything.”
Blueberry Johnson @ ~44:00 — Reflects the tragedy that competent staff were undermined by Mueller's constant, chaotic pivots
“I wanted to say it was all bullshit, but he also legitimately thought it could work... There were a lot of people working a lot of years really hard on making pinball stuff.”
Blueberry Johnson @ ~43:00 — BJ's nuanced assessment that Mueller was delusional rather than purely malicious, but fraud occurred regardless
“Down to the last week before the doors shut, Robert had signed a contract... to redo all the external lighting to the cost of tens of thousands of dollars. And this is when people have been furloughed. People keep not getting paid.”
Blueberry Johnson @ ~56:00 — Concrete example of Mueller's warped priorities—vanity spending while staff went unpaid
business_signal: Deep Root's funding model involved life insurance policy investments fraudulently obtained from ~300 investors (~$58M total), not pinball enthusiasts. Mueller's 2015 direct Deep Root stock offering failed, forcing pivot to hidden funding scheme.
high · BJ: 'In 2015, he issued a stock for people to try to invest in Deep Root Pinball and nobody bit. And so then it was later after that, that all the other investments for the life insurance policies came from.'
community_signal: Mueller's repeated broken promises (no pre-orders → acceptance of deposits; announced games never delivered; constant delays and excuses) eroded community trust and fed skeptical discourse on Pinside forums over years.
high · Zach: 'They didn't plan to take any pre-order money or deposits for machines... Money was being taken... forward with excuses to why these games are not being built there was pre-orders that then were taken money was then exchanged ok does the game come out still doesn't come out'
event_signal: The Deep Six (Sept 21–22, 2020) was a high-profile media reveal event with six invited pinball journalists that was canceled the very next day, signaling imminent public crisis.
high · Zach: 'September 21st, 2020, that was going to be the day... plans to launch, but it was canceled the very next day, September, I believe, 22nd, 2020... The Deep Six event was media from pinball being flown in... but after the deep six we'll talk about that there was kind of a mess and things changed'
design_philosophy: Mueller fancied himself a visionary polymath (insurance mogul, gold mining entrepreneur, MLS promoter, pinball magnate) but lacked execution capability in any domain. Employees described him as a 'tornado' who constantly pivoted projects and rejected expert advice.
high · BJ: 'Some employees thought he fancied himself as Elon Musk... And then he'd just come in and just almost like a tornado, change everything and now put him on something else.'
market_signal: Regulatory fine from Utah Department of Labor (>$1M, circa 2018) for workplace violations at Deep Root Studios presaged larger fraud investigation. Non-payment of wages was systemic across both Texas and Utah operations.
medium · BJ: 'the Utah Department of Labor find deeper studios over a million dollars for like workplace labor violations. I assume about not paying people back then because we know... getting paid was a problem at Deep Root regularly.'
community_signal: Mueller spent tens of thousands of dollars on external lighting upgrades and cosmetic improvements during the final week before shutdown, while employees remained unpaid, indicating warped priorities and disconnection from operational reality.
medium · BJ: 'Down to the last week before the doors shut, Robert had... signed a contract... to redo all the external lighting to the cost of tens of thousands of dollars. And this is when people have been furloughed. People keep not getting paid.'
personnel_signal: Deep Root's collapse in 2021 redistributed talent back to competitors: Steve Bowden left for other manufacturers; Jeremy Packer moved to Stern Pinball as head of art; others dispersed across industry.
medium · Implied by Zach noting hiring of high-profile designers and later acknowledging company 'collapsed' with talent re-absorption elsewhere. Jeremy Packer later became Stern's art director.
personnel_signal: Deep Root employed 40–50 full-time staff for extended periods despite chronic unpaid wages, with management blaming investor pipeline shortfalls while continuing to hire and approve frivolous spending.
high · Zach: 'they would hire people during these times. Nobody was getting paid.' BJ: accounts of employees not receiving paychecks and unopened paycheck envelopes found in facility.