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WAP hosts analyze recent pinball releases, Kong's non-sellout, and market saturation signals.
Portal is probably Multimorphic's best game but has completely dropped off in conversation after Dune and Kong launched the same week
medium confidence · Don notes Portal's complete fade despite being their best title; attributes to launch timing collision with other major releases
Medieval Madness remake sold out 1,000 units in five minutes due to two-year production delay and massive distributor wait lists
high confidence · Cengiz and Don confirm instant sellout; Don explains distributor pre-order lists likely accumulated 1,000 people over two years of waiting
King Kong LE is softening in the secondary market despite Pro version maintaining strong gameplay; LEs not selling out signals market shift
high confidence · Don reports distros posting LE inventory for sale after initial allocation; attributes to upcoming Harry Potter, rumored titles, and LE feature parity concerns
Stern LEs should include expression lights as standard feature with cabinet cutouts to justify LE pricing vs Premium
medium confidence · Cengiz advocates for expression lights as standard LE feature; criticizes lack of coding integration across all LEs, cites John Wick LE as example of proper implementation
King Kong LE lacks expression light cutout capability unlike some prior Stern releases; requires premium coding spend Stern avoids
high confidence · Don confirms Kong LE cannot accommodate expression lights; Cengiz criticizes decision as cost-avoidance on Stern's part
Harry Potter is 'ready to come out' and listed among rumored cool titles affecting Kong LE sales decisions
medium confidence · Don states Harry Potter ready to come out; both hosts confirm it's influencing buyer hesitation on Kong LE in context of upcoming releases
Jack Danger's games show weak secondary market performance; Foo Fighters selling at $9K (Venom-level prices) despite initial reception
medium confidence · Cengiz observes secondary market pricing for Jack Danger titles; notes community response visible in dumping games and price trends
“Everything just took a step down. How can Kong not sell out, Donnie? I'm asking, how can this happen, man?”
Cengiz @ ~33:30 — Central thesis: Kong's failure to sell out represents systemic market change despite strong design and theme
“The reality is the reality, right? If Elwin games cannot sell out day one, you can lie to yourself... but the reality is the reality.”
Cengiz @ ~33:00 — Emphatic statement about market signals overriding designer reputation; Elwin's god-tier status insufficient to move inventory
“I don't see any problem with that. The only way I could possibly see them doing that would be like, okay, if you get the LE, it'll come with the topper. When the topper's available, we'll just mail it out to all LE buyers.”
Don @ ~30:00 — Articulates why price increases are unjustified without corresponding LE value additions; topper bundling as example of justifiable premium
“They're like, do I really need to jump into an LE that doesn't have $700 expression lights in it, isn't really any different than the premium except for some back glass and upgrades that you can add yourself?”
Don @ ~28:30 — Identifies buyer hesitation logic: LE feature parity with Premium undermines purchase justification; aftermarket customization erodes LE value proposition
“When you bought the Pros, you were missing the drop-downs. It would just stand upstairs... If it was missing that upper flipper and log diverter, that's what would have done it.”
Don @ ~24:00 — Contrast: Kong Pro retains critical gameplay mechanics; design avoids prior mistakes that made other Pro versions feel incomplete
“I think everybody that's going to buy a portal has already bought a portal. I don't think there's anybody still on the fence.”
Don @ ~10:00 — Suggests Portal market saturation among target demographic (existing Multimorphic owners); modular positioning creates isolated conversation
“So I think once it gets around we may hear a little bit of a late buzz on it. But right now, not a ton.”
business_signal: Stern's 2-year declining sales trajectory signals systemic market saturation or pricing unsustainability: Venom weak → Jaws peak → John Wick bad → X-Men bad → D&D average → Kong non-sellout
high · Cengiz charts pattern: 'Everything just took a step down. How can Kong not sell out, Donnie?' Notes even Elwin's best cannot move inventory at current price points
event_signal: Medieval Madness remake sold out 1,000 units in 5 minutes; attributed to 2+ year production delay accumulating massive distributor pre-order backlogs rather than exceptional demand
high · Don: 'initial line... that's important... distributors have a list of probably 1,000 people by now just waiting to get it. So as soon as 1,000 went out, they were all spoken for'
competitive_signal: Jack Danger designer tier games (X-Men, Foo Fighters) showing Venom-level secondary market pricing despite community sentiment; secondary market reveals designer status insufficient to drive value retention
medium · Cengiz: 'Have you seen the prices of Foo Fighters, Ellie? It's just 9K, man. They're like Venom prices, man.' Notes weak community response visible in active dumping
design_philosophy: Stern cost-avoidance strategy on expression light integration for Kong LE; avoids coding spend despite proven success on John Wick LE
medium · Cengiz: Stern avoids expression lights 'because that's extra money they have to pay to a coder to integrate those light shows'; contrasts with successful John Wick LE implementation
market_signal: Portfolio management visible in Kong LE sales: buyers deferring purchases pending Harry Potter and rumored titles; LEs with insufficient differentiation vs Premium attracting hold-back
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Stern's last two years show declining sales trajectory: Venom weak → Jaws high point → John Wick bad → X-Men bad → D&D average → Kong not selling out
medium confidence · Cengiz charts pattern of releases; attributes Kong non-sellout to cumulative market signal rather than individual game failure
Don @ ~13:30 — Merlin's Arcade slow-burn potential; insufficient show presence has limited visibility and hype despite Turner's reported satisfaction with sales
“If they raise the prices now, I mean, oh this is Spike 3 system, we need $1,000 more no effing way. It's not the time right now.”
Cengiz @ ~31:00 — Explicit warning against Stern price increases; Kong non-sellout proves market cannot bear higher MSRP
“So yeah, music sound went up for me, absolutely. Remember Godzilla, when you get that multiball, and you can pick the Blue Oyster Cult Godzilla song? It's just such a good moment.”
Cengiz @ ~37:00 — Kong audio perception revised upward after gameplay videos; comparison to Godzilla's licensed music success suggests Kong needs equivalent audio hook
“I was thinking about the game that reminded me of Portal. What was that called, man? A first-person shooter that reminds you of Portal? Half-Life.”
Cengiz/Don @ ~5:00 — Casual aside demonstrating host knowledge/gaming literacy; Portal game framing in broader gaming context
high · Don: 'People are looking at how X LE dropped in money... do I really need to jump into an LE... when Harry Potter ready to come out. There [are] some other rumored cool titles on the horizon'
market_signal: King Kong LE units actively offered for sale by distributors after initial allocation; secondary market showing weakness despite Pro version strength and Elwin design pedigree
high · Don: 'now the same guys are posting LEs for sale. So what the heck is going on, Donnie?' Cengiz confirms LEs still available while Pro sold out immediately
personnel_signal: X-Men mid-development designer change from Tim Sexton to Watson; community aware of transition; code still early-stage contributing to weak secondary market performance
medium · Cengiz: 'Tim Sexton's not around oh no, we've got the other guy Wason's on it.' Notes code maturity concerns and their impact on game reception
market_signal: Stern price increase unjustified and likely harmful given Kong non-sellout; hosts explicitly warn against Spike 3 system cost pass-through
high · Cengiz: 'If they raise the prices now... no effing way. It's not the time right now.' Argues market cannot bear higher MSRP given recent sales patterns
product_strategy: Portal's rapid fade from community conversation directly attributed to collision with Dune and Kong releases same week; modular platform positioning creates category isolation vs triple-A titles
medium · Don: 'Portal probably their best game... has completely dropped off now having dune and kong launch in the same week didn't do it any favors as far as longevity'
product_strategy: LE features (cosmetic backglass art, LED variants, expression light capability) insufficient to justify $1-2K premium over Premium edition; buyers recognizing aftermarket customization alternatives
high · Don: LEs lacking expression lights, 'isn't really any different than the premium except for some back glass and upgrades that you can add yourself'; Cengiz argues expression lights should be standard LE feature with cabinet cutouts
product_concern: Kong animation/cinematic approach inferior to Jaws movie footage strategy; lacks pulling-power narrative compared to prior licensed titles
medium · Cengiz: 'Kong is more dynamic than Avengers Infinity Quest animations. But it's still not like watching... Jaws, it was like, right away, like, yes, I want to go swimming.' Attributes Jaws success to character/narrative immersion Kong lacks
sentiment_shift: Community sentiment on Kong shifted from anticipated Elwin masterpiece to qualified approval; king-tier designer status insufficient to drive LE sellout
medium · Cengiz: 'I was expecting it to be a great shooting L1 game. It's a great shooting L1 game... I can't believe this is the greatest game I've ever seen.' Notes Elwin's pedigree should guarantee success but doesn't