The Pinball Show Ep 144: The Big Jaws Episode

The Pinball Network·video·1h 31m·analyzed·Jan 5, 2024

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TL;DR

Stern reveals Jaws by Elwin; CEO announces 3 cornerstones/year, kills post-launch LEs, plans DMD remasters.

Summary

The Pinball Show Episode 144 covers the official reveal of Stern Pinball's Jaws, designed by Keith Elwin with art by Michael Barnard and code by Rick Nagel. The episode includes Seth Davis (Stern CEO) dealer meeting highlights announcing three cornerstone releases for 2024, elimination of limited edition games post-launch, plans to remaster classic DMD titles, holding pricing, and improving delivery timelines. Production begins immediately with Pros launching late January, LEs mid-February, and Premiums late February/March, with a potential second run gauged for June.

Key Claims

Stern will return to three Cornerstone releases per year in 2024 and beyond, up from two in recent years
high confidence · Seth Davis, Stern CEO, dealer meeting announcement
Stern will no longer release limited edition versions or special editions after a Cornerstone game launches
high confidence · Seth Davis, Stern CEO, dealer meeting announcement
Stern published 94 code updates across their game catalog in 2023
high confidence · Seth Davis, Stern CEO, dealer meeting
Stern is considering remastering older generation DMD titles if parts can be sourced and there is lenser interest
high confidence · Seth Davis, Stern CEO, dealer meeting
DMD remastered games will have zero plans for Insider connected functionality
high confidence · Seth Davis, Stern CEO, dealer meeting
Jaws is a four-flipper game with an upper playfield, featuring hidden ramps including a wave ramp and Quint's Shack ramp
high confidence · Zach Manny and Dennis, game analysis based on official reveal video
Jaws features custom speech by Richard Dreyfuss, audio and video stems from the original film, and a licensed John Williams score
high confidence · Zach Manny and Dennis, citing official Stern reveal information
Jaws Pro production begins in two weeks from reveal, rolling out late January/early February
high confidence · Zach Manny and Dennis, citing Seth Davis production timeline

Notable Quotes

“I just think Keith Elwin hit the big red button and said 'we're waiting until the start of 2024'”
Dennis@ 5:07 — Speculative but humorous theory about why Jaws reveal was delayed to January 2024 instead of December 2023
“There will be no more limited edition games or versions after the launch of a Cornerstone game”
Seth Davis@ 14:02 — Major policy announcement eliminating post-launch LE strategy that had been controversial with collectors
“We have realized... the feedback that we have received from the community... they have no plans to do that in the future”
Seth Davis@ 14:14 — Justification for ending LE versions, citing community feedback despite sales success
“My first impression of this game is I was pretty shocked... this stands out from your typical zombie Yeti like artwork”
Zach Manny@ 30:31 — Positive reaction to Jaws' visual distinctiveness compared to recent Stern releases
“We're going to need a bigger boat”
Dennis@ 7:40 — Jaws reference; Dennis earlier set a goal to avoid these clichéd references throughout the episode
“They have zero plans zero for DMD games to have Insider connected in the future”
Dennis@ 18:58 — Clarification that legacy DMD remasters won't receive modern connectivity features

Entities

Seth Davisperson Keith Elwinperson Zach MannypersonDennispersonMichael BarnardpersonRick NagelpersonJerry Thompsonperson Richard Dreyfussperson

Signals

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announcement: Official reveal of Jaws as Stern Pinball's 2024 Cornerstone title with production timeline and full specifications
high · Jaws officially revealed January 4, 2024 with launch videos, designer credits, and production schedule
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product_strategy: Stern CEO Seth Davis announced end of post-launch limited edition games following Cornerstone releases, citing community feedback despite sales success
high · Seth Davis dealer meeting: 'There will be no more limited edition games or versions after the launch of a Cornerstone game'
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business_signal: Stern returning to three Cornerstone releases per year in 2024, up from two in recent years
high · Seth Davis: 'Stern and pinball will be returning to three Cornerstone released games this year 2024'
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code_update: Stern released 94 code updates in 2023 including badge/timed event systems for engagement and Insider connected content expansion planned for 2024
high · Seth Davis: '94 code updates in 2023 alone... extending the fun of their current games'
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product_strategy: Stern planning to remaster select classic DMD-era games into modern platforms if parts can be sourced and there is lenser interest; however, no Insider connected functionality planned for remasters
high · Seth Davis: 'They have realized... they will... be remastering some older generation DMD titles... if it makes sense that there's high demand'

Topics

Stern Pinball 2024 strategic direction and goalsprimaryElimination of post-launch limited edition gamesprimaryJaws pinball reveal, design, and production timelineprimaryDMD remaster plans and classic title revivalprimaryPricing strategy and cost managementsecondaryProduction capacity, supply chain, and delivery timelinessecondaryInsider connected code updates and engagement featuressecondaryKeith Elwin design philosophy and game analysissecondary

Sentiment

positive(0.78)— Hosts express enthusiasm about Jaws reveal, appreciate Stern's policy shift away from post-launch LEs, and show cautious optimism about remaster plans. Some skepticism about feasibility of home leaderboards and parts sourcing for DMD remasters, but overall tone is upbeat about Stern's direction and the game itself.

Transcript

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warning The Following episode contains adult language and screaming goats listener discretion is [Music] advised the pinball network is online launching the pinball Show episode 144 is here it's elwind it's jaws and it's already a certified hit follow along as Dennis and I provide you our first impressions of Joel's pinball game features the market and sales response of Joel's on launch day information from Stern Pinball CEO Seth Davis on more to come with this title as well as Stern Pinball production updates Stern Pinball goals for 2024 and years to come changing courses on Le models bringing back what once was and expanding pinball into the future oh yeah and of course pinball market trends and the pinball Show Club members are going to enjoy some exclusive content discussion of the recent announcement of Bal Williams licensing being granted for another manufacturer and what that means spooky pinball revealing a Scooby-Doo topper a Princess Bride tease and the return of pinburgh Papa it's jam-packed because well it's the pinball show pinball is a game of skill for some it's a passion and a lifestyle it's time for the pinball personality hey Dennis guess what it's the pinball show it's episode 144 and it is the big old Jaws episode does it is something smelling fishy in here to you buddy or is it just me haven't taken a shower all all day cuz a s sales day yeah well sales Sals must be strong Sals hey ships have Sals sailboat sales Sals and sailboat oh my gosh I'm a little you may you may not be coming in hot you may be coming in wet rung worn out tired trying to make it to land I don't I don't know what's going on with you I'm coming I'm coming in hotter than a that's how hot I'm coming in just like I want to give me a chill what no me how could I I no happy New Year by the way Happy New Year to you my friend put off recording on New Year's Eve like we normally would have cuz you were you were down you were a little down in the dumps I I wasn't feeling it you you weren't just not that I was hung over and drunk I just it was I wasn't feeling it and when you're not feeling it you can't do it you can't and I knew something big was coming I wanted to get hooked mhm but something big didn't come in 2023 well oh see I thought we could just like a great white crusting Byam Island I thought we could get through that go ahead go ahead go ahead what no I'm just I'm just saying you only did like what six seven episodes saying that there was this huge hole in the December calendar there had to be this big reveal and little old Dennis not a distributor got no real good connections whatsoever is just sitting there going you know I I just think they're going to be turning out old product I think they're going to wait till the new year to R R the new game not going to make sense to reveal Before Christmas in particular and why would you reveal in the dead zone between Christmas and New Year and you're like I don't know there Dennis there's a pretty big gap there and I and I was all like no mistakes were made your mistakes and you know what though here's here's what I think right how about that I was right but like that George Gomez you like that no well here's what I think happened now it's it's difficult to I'm not a Craig Bobby I'm not you know I'm not disguised as mahogany or teak or anything blasting through that [ __ ] just like Dennis Cel it's just look here's what I think happened no I thought you were GNA look it's denn here no I'm not no I'm not doing a look Dennis here that would have been had they actually done the reveal oh I had a good one Seth Dennis here look Seth I had one I had one oh I had oh it was going to be a roast to remember you would have come out like a peing duck nice and crispy oh I was ready for it here here's the thing that I think happened Zack I think Stern actually in reality a lot of at least elements of stern were planning to do the reveal in December I I think that was I think that was what was happening I think Keith Elwin intervened oh I think he walked in slapped the big red I imagine their assembly lines have that big red button to stop people from having like their hands severed and stuff you know and he hit the big red button and and like PR and everyone was like what are you doing and Keith said I'm Keith elwin I keep this company afloat we're waiting until the start of 2024 on new and they were like why and he's like Dennis needs this one I don't think Keith knows who I am but I just think in that moment he just kind of felt it and here's and here's my the closest thing I can give you to evidence for it Zach Victory laps here no no here's here so on the thread when the teaser dropped it dropped on Nap arcade and I made a comment I saw cuz you frowny faced it and then I also did a very similar post over on the stern announcement now Stern's social media person or team or whoever it is replied to like every innan stupid oneline statement in that thread except my post the most liked message was ignored they tend which leads me which leads me to believe that there was a tension between elements within Stern that there were there were the Keith elwin who were fighting for the righteous which would be me and then there was like the media team which wanted to get it all done with in 2023 didn't want to have to work hard in January who remains very bitter oh that's my theory not that it was Zach Sharpe right I mean I don't I look I don't know who like manages the Facebook I don't zp does I think Zach Sharpe is responsible for the person that does but I don't yeah I don't know I'm just saying I noticed when someone's like whoa so cool and you see Stern be like yeah you should get it and then I'm like thanks for waiting till 2024 and I crickets I forgot that we typically don't record in the evening we record in the morning I forgot you're perky in the evening my I'm snarky I'm snarky in the evening oh really yeah wow buckle up everybody here we go uh so you're right you were correct in that uh Stern revealed Jaws we will get to that you had a good New Year's Eve did you stay up late I I stayed up to midnight I'm not a child well I tried to go to sleep I was at my wife drug me you didn't have any games to sell why my God we've been things are selling we s this New Year's Eve your phone was blowing up with orders I I promise you it was for space hunt I I got orders on Christmas Day space hunt spur hunt hunt oh my God we don't have Craig Bobby this week we don't have any we don't no oh I guess reveals are too much work my goal this episode listener is to get through the entirety without making a stupid ass we're going to need a bigger boat reference that's my that's my I think you I think you can do it all of our Chums out there listening to this episode are even Keith are there with baited breath you know I I felt like someone wrote the script for him no but I don't care he hit the big red button for me and that's all that that's all that it's not it's not like uh Queen anoya reading the Q cards though at least he didn't do that that game has at least lots of plastic ramps not like Jaws full of habit Trails Stern Pinball uh production update wise right now they're making I think Godzilla premiums then they're going to move on to James Bond premium then stranger thing premium now I don't know how this has to do with with jaws or how they're going to do Jaws because they did tell us that Jaws is running uh going to be on the line in two weeks Joel's Pro so I don't know if that means Godzilla premium James Bond premium and stranger things premium they're going to try to do those in the first couple weeks here I could see them do it honestly I think that what's going to happen Dennis and listeners probably Godzilla premiums uh this week and next and then bleeding into that James Bond premium for a couple days and then a stranger things premium run that will probably overlap with jaws Pro run on a different line all right so besides that we'll give more of the updates when we talk about Jaws uh because there's some production timeline updates for that new Cornerstone title uh but until then I want to talk about leading up to the release of Joel's pinball by Stern Pinball uh they had a nasty little leak reported leak leak yeah from a shark nose punching its way through a ship we're going to need a less leaky boat yeah didn't last long uh yeah there was some pictures that came out and a video that came out and everybody was like is this really it I was confused yam cam yeah yam cam TM I was confused as to whether or not it was actual if it was truth because they'll never showcase an Le and and it was showcasing an Le in that leaked video so that was strange to me it was also strange that I saw speaker lights I'm like Stern doesn't do speaker lights that's so a lot of weird stuff so we didn't know if it was true or not and then uh they did announce prior to this that it was going to be Joel so we were ready for that uh and then what was it to Thursday January 4th is when they revealed in its entirety the game the launch videos and all of that stuff so before we go into that uh let's talk about the meeting that dealers had prior to this release all kinds of information besides just that of jaw specifics came out during this meeting that was led by Seth Davis CEO of stern pimbo wow yeah he he oh Mr Davis he gave a nice little rundown as to some of the goals of the team uh over last year fulfilled goals it was kind of recapping the year which was nice as well as presenting some of the goals and directions the company is looking to take this year as well as subsequent years but with that some really nice information such is this he said confidently Stern and pinball will be returning Dennis back to three Cornerstone released games this year 2024 I don't being think that's going to surprise very many people but yeah he said the last couple years I've been doing two yes they're returning back to three so that's exciting news he said also a focus of Stern Pinball going forward in 2024 is extending the fun of their current games which to them means more Insider connected content for uh the catalog of games out right now code updates he he said there was 94 code updates in 2023 alone 94 and he said look okay some of these were smaller updates but nonetheless their dedication to continued code updates uh and continuing the fun of current cataloged games it's pretty high in their books I like the little badge things they do for timed events that's that's I think pretty clever though don't did you get your Godzilla I did but guys don't be doing like 25 billion in 12 days on Godzilla we're not all blueberry we can't all look well we can because I on the last day I was 10 billion to go Zach and I put my game to 10 ball Dennis Cal I know and then afterwards cuz I didn't tell it not to record scores I wiped all the scores out of my pinball I was like no that can't that's fake I can't I can't have that I I earned all the point like get a number of points in the game on three ball I just did the 10 to grind out the total you wanted that last batch yes okay love the badge yes it needs to be like they should send me a trophy after they unpushed the red button they could manufacture me a trophy you little bad or you I'm glad you got it I I'm I'm staying away from that for right now the whole Co I will get addicted and I will you will you'll you'll fall down and see that's good I couldn't do the bond one cuz I was like oh gosh can you imagine trying to do that on Route how much all the The Operators must love those badges cuz it'd be like I'm trying to think if I was to try and get 25 billion on Route I would have easily dropped well especially because I would have been three ball I would have spent at least $200 yeah so and he was talking about that how their dedication to Insider connecting how it's going to continue expanding uh into this year and into other years another point that I think everybody was kind of ready to hear listener was that Mr Davis made it a point to say that they have realized and they have experimented with some of the special edition games that were limited in nature all like a Alvira blood red kiss and Jurassic Park 30th and stuff like that uh he said he's here to announce that there will be no more limited Edition games or versions after the launch of a Cornerstone game oh that is interesting yeah he said look uh while they may have been successful in their sales of that uh the feedback that they have received from the community and from everyone they've made the decision that uh they have no plans to do that in the future whenever a Cornerstone game comes out and if there's thousand L that's it they're not going back to the well for SP and that that was super surprising to me because I I I know the sales and the sales have been successful of those subsequent games so I guess they're playing long ball here is all I can think Den uh that I mean if they given that you've indicated that in the meeting he stressed that about the about sales success and strength of that you know that that wasn't an issue the only thing I can think of is they have to be absolutely mortified that they're going to lose Wales who will not trust Le's being L anymore because when you keep running new versions of L you make I mean you think about blood red kiss and then you have uh you remember alvra 40th coming out just before a much more expensive game into many collectors an uglier version or I should say blood red kiss being a more attractive version would be more fair no one actually thought for 40th looked bad but my point being that it gets you play a dangerous game I think with people's trust if they're and it's your high dollar people who buy L's you brought that up but I'm surprised because I like uh like you indicated and what Seth indicated my understanding was these games were moving and if they're moving then it sounded like the whales were all you know whale sounds and not actual action but if they're really worried about burning that bridge I think it's more of maybe a market analysis they're looking at where they project the market to be going in the next 5 10 years and they don't want to press their luck maybe well we I mean we saw this with in my view we saw it with jjp and the the jokes people would make especially with Wizard of Oz when it's like oh look a new a new limited edition Hobbit yeah yeah y it's just like okay whens oh it's the that it feels like they're playing games when they say oh well we just gave it a new different name it's got a different art package and it's like yeah but I thought I was buying the best version already and now you have a new maybe best version that's not fa I think this will go a long way with collector so I think it's a good move overall uh but that means they got to be pretty confident in what they are bringing or what they what they can bring in the future uh Mr Davis went on to say that any Spike two game refreshes then are going to be Pro and premium level only um with you know code to extend the gameplay experience so he gave the example of you know don't count them out to have different art packages kind of like the Star Wars comic Edition it wasn't a limited edition version version there a pro they did a pro a premium version so you get those those differences there but they're done with the the whole Le thing and they said the current generation of L's LCDs are only going to be issued once buy with confidence uh they're not going to do that again another goal was to expand pinball for everyone Seth said they will be considering as early as 2024 maybe bringing back some high demand Pro and premium LCD titles those Spike 2 games he said if there is a high demand for any particular game they're not going to shy away from it uh he also said in another big statement here almost as big as that we're not going to do more L's is this Seth Davis indicated that they have no problem and they are actually planning on remastering some older generation DMD titles ah so remastering meaning taking them into LCD he didn't say that he said if it makes sense that there's a high demand DMD game they will uh not he presented it almost as if they're find doing DMD games again like making oh I'm just surprised that he didn't just say we're okay going back to doing vaults yeah that's true I I don't know what to make of it he said the indication on whether or not a certain title would be remade he didn't talk about classification of board systems or or operating systems like white star versus Sam none of that he just said number one is like Parts can we even get the parts to make some of these older games that we made in them he said some of the parts you just can't make or can't get uh and he said the other one is like the lenser interest is the lenser even interested in uh in having a product like that again so he said those are the kind of the two big factors when uh when considering remastering older generation DMD titles he did say though that they have zero plans zero for DMD Gam GES to have Insider connected in the future he says not I don't know what they would do to especially if it's a Sam board set you'd have to have some sort of new board added I would think just to be able to interface yeah it it would cost so much money so much time it'd be very tased to especially he said like the screen it it wouldn't display what you needed it to not that they couldn't do it but that it makes a hell of a lot more sense just focusing on the future instead of going back with Insider connected he did say that they were working on home leaderboards he acknowledges everybody wants that but he said there are some uh intricacies of doing that type of system that frankly are much more difficult than uh people would assume because of how many different setups you would have to do rather than one big location kind of thing I don't know what it it was early it was early but he said they're working on it but that that's a big task there another goal of theirs is to hold pricing and to improve delivery reliability woo he's talking about Supply reliability said it it has improved getting parts those parts being reliable uh but it's still not perfect and another goal within that holding pricing is taming the substantial cost inflation that they've been seeing lately their goal is to do whatever they can to not have to increase prices even if inflation affects Parts well then I'm assuming they're going to cut into profit margin because I don't know what Stern honestly can do to constrain inflation well when you have clever designers they can do a lot I would argue oh sure they can lower the bo or say your boom doesn't go up and you're going to just make more with less well and who knows if they haven't been doing that maybe they've been increasing increasing I don't know uh they've expanded tech services in 2023 and they're going to continue to build uh that department and that team they're happy with the growth that they've had over the last year in tech services and another goal is to increase the delivery lag on accessories and and having even more product options than just the pinball machines themselves he referenced the stern alley sign has been a big hit and they really want to get some of those accessories out quicker than the lag I mean we still haven't seen Foo Fighters accessories oh so he doesn't want to increase lag he wants to decrease it yeah sorry yeah he wants to he wants to get them closer to launch okay that would be nice mostly things I think collectors broadly would like yeah yeah and I think it cover probably a lot of the basis of what collectors would in a survey or something what they'd say they'd like to see in the future so well and some of it's like the greatest hits of forum posting like I mean I know a lot of especially longtime collectors who are who are totally put off by the current price point on pinball machines because they don't have to remember even 10 years ago where they were thousands less MH and uh then of course you know the desire to there haven't been any vaults since Iron Man so the desire for which what I don't know the sticker on the one oh by the way thank you very much for that Iron Man pinball machine the uh the sticker on it was a February 2020 build which I'm assuming is one of the last that they did so I mean wow 20 see I I forget that it was that long ago yeah I was like wow you had that in the box that long did I did yeah so I maybe we see you know I was I was looking behind him and in this dealer seminar I guess it's okay to say what he had a couple playfields behind him and I don't know if it was his office or what but he had uh three games that I believe they still make and then one DMD B one DMD era uh Stern game Playfield behind him any guesses to what it was TRON it was Spider-Man a well Spider-Man would be one that would I mean they're plenty that I could imagine they could if they could get the parts would be desired of course Tron is a is one that was screamed for back when DMD was still the main thing they were making but but Spiderman did really good for them I wouldn't be too surprised on the licensing front just because it's usually easier they bring back bring back the band so you're going to see acdc's and and metallic God they felt like they vaed Metallica four times but but hey like they four or five times they they vaed them both a lot um would be huge if they could do that would be big Spider-Man remember they came with the Comic version of Spider-Man and that was before that was almost like a stranger thing so whenever they came out people like I don't know if I want that you know and then now looking back the value of it has grown substantially more so than the uh original uh movie film asset version of that of that game so maybe something like that or into the spiderverse I can see I can see all kinds of stuff there speaking of seeing something coming Jaws Pinball it's it's been heavily rumored right it has yeah at one point I heard John Borg was working on a Jaws pinball designed and done so by the team of Keith elwin we haven't seen a Keith elwin Cornerstone in a couple years not since Godzilla wow art work people weren't expecting this they thought we'd get a Randy Martinez no no no Michael Michael Barnard ah from the rush pinball machine art yeah it would have been funny though if it was Randy Martinez because then the shark would have had a lightsaber I was thinking of a all bunch of mini lightsabers for his teeth almost yes little like Darth mouth full mouthful of saber and we have the codor by Rick Nagel and team and then I think Jerry Thompson did some audio stuff along with I don't know John Williams yeah he's like 91 John Williams licensed John Williams themed score they've got it they paid the big bucks whoa that's right that's not the only thing soundwise they paid the big bucks for that's right they also paid for custom speech by the man himself Richard dfus What About Bob we're like what about Richard D wow what about Bob wow that is a that is a throwback I don't think we'll be seeing what about Bob pinball oh but yeah they they uh paid for Richard drives to do some of the custom speech along with some of the they've got I guess audio stems from the film they got video stems from the from the film they got all that stuff all right we'll talk about that but first we got to talk it was a normal Cornerstone dentist we had a pro a premium and Ellie models Ellie's limited to 1,000 units no changes there speaking of no changes no price changes no increases in pricing there were some speculation rumor maybe the pro model is going to see see a little bit of a bump in the northern region nope all staying the same a commitment to their goal in 2024 of holding pricing production wise we know that when Stern reveals a game we get them quick Pros are going to be on the line in two weeks so we're going to see them start rolling out and into uh operators arcades Etc public in the end of January to early February the pros so end of January I think we'll start seeing them roll out uh Ellie then will follow in mid-February and then the premiums are going to follow in late February into March now I don't know I think they indicated that unlike Venom they were able to roll a lot of venom out of the factory this one there are some parts not delays but difficulty getting some of the parts so they're going to be I think if they get enough sales they will add another premium and Pro run but between now and they're gauging June for the second run of pro and premiums June but they're PL if they get enough orders and it makes enough sense and parts are rolling in okay then uh we could see additional runs in between January and June but roughly at minimum right now they're looking at June for the subsequent the secondary runs all right let's look at this game Denis let's do our analysis like we do this is a four flipper game if I'm correct uh this is a wait a minute this is an upper Playfield I thought this was designed by Keith Elwin let me it was okay H Keith lwin generally doesn't do upper playfields or he hasn't yet but we know he's a jack of all trade so he's going with an upper play field on this game there are all types of features at first you look at this game listener and you don't see any ramps and you think did he just create a game with no ramps and then you'd be wrong there are multiple ramps they're just hidden sneaky little ramps yes they even call them like a wave ramp one of them yeah one of them's a wave ramp I think there's a uh a quint a quint's shack ramp um we've got horizontal Spinners we have outlane physical saves we've got a couple boats one of the upper playfields is a boat one of the smaller smaller boats l up and underneath it is a bash toy of Jaws himself or herself well is Bruce I guess it's a boy so Jaws that you hit they've got a Chum Bucket that's swinging around we've got Barrels in a single pop bumper Allah Godzilla we've got paths everywhere swirling very much like a Keith lwin game but again when you look at it may take you a while to find the lnes in it true or false agree disagree h depend on the player of course but I would say like the the lower well lower I should say the far right flipper that that alone makes me feel very eln esque in that I think isn't one of these shots looks like it's a figure eight style feed so that's going to be kind of Elo esque from Bon 60th MH the upper Playfield is going to be the part I think that maybe confuses people uh and the other aspect might be the fact that it actually features A bash toy which I don't normally think I mean there are obviously certain targets that need to be hit on certain games but I don't normally think of him as being particularly bash toy oriented the captive ball chumbucket toy seems more what though something that I think you'd look at and go oh yeah well it's kind of like the hidden captive ball thing that was in Godzilla he had an exposed one in Iron Maiden that was a big part of the game play so that I think is is very LNS we have two here I mean one in the one in the uh what's it called in the boat too oh yeah one one in the boat Target kind of things mhm uh and then the artwork artwork is very different too this game strikes me listener my first impression of this game is I was pretty shocked because if you told me jaws and you told me Keith elwin if my AI brain made something super creepy as AI often does it wouldn't made it wouldn't have made this this shocked me the looks of it shocked me because it stands out from your typical zombie Yeti like artwork uh even with some of the compositional art choices it's not crowded it is not a crowded Art Space at all whether it's on the cabinet the back class even the Playfield everything is spread out like the Open Sea so uh and it just doesn't look like an Ln until you dive deeper okay now I'm getting a little bit fre [ __ ] my first impression Impressions were oh this sucker stands out and upon further inspection I add this sucker stands out in a really good way what were your first impressions when you saw uh the different iterations of this game it does feel a lot different than a lot of other games that we've looked at especially visually Hallelujah yeah in that regard I mean but part of that is obviously we have a different artist than what we you know Jeremy's been doing so many art packages for stern I think you're always sort of a butt into it feeling a little syy unless they go really he went really different on Foo Fighters but I know that was more polarizing MH uh so yeah no I I thought the the layout looks interesting to me but because the way it's laid out feels to me less straightforward visually than what I'm used to for most games especially lnd games absolutely I don't I can't tell yet if I'm going to like how this shoots more or less than like I don't know where it would rank in his catalog just does that make sense I think they're yes because it always is tough looking in an Ln game and wondering I wonder how that works I wonder how that shoots and I and I may be wrong on this so I'll rely on you to correct me uh but of course I'm also looking at the pro model and elwin has and I I think this is true again I always felt he does a really good job keeping a lot of the key elements in his Pro Models uh over from the premium Le I mean uh obviously it varies a lot you use you expect to lose a lot of the toys which is often the case but a lot of the the shot geometry often holds true however on this game you do lose an entire flipper which I don't know if he's ever lost a flipper going to his Pro that's a good point and I'll I'll I'll add to that and say that typically whenever we see lwin games the pro lwin games sell really really well because as you've said uh the shot patterns often times still feel good you still feel like you get a lot of the game especially with code and his shot layouts in his pro versions really when we talk about lwin premium L compared to the pros Den we get we get um we get one feature that is more toy like than it is path-like so you get a a cool T-Rex that grabs the ball in Jurassic Park and you get the rising and lowering of a building in Godzilla yeah I mean you're still getting a great game with the pros his pro version yeah yeah they are they're all in you know I know people who own the pro of Godzilla and love it and the reason why I ended up going premium was the building as cool as it was it did change game state in terms of how it shot and so that was a that was a you know a compelling reason for me there but whereas like with Avengers I've been you know perfectly fine going in playing a Pro versus and giving up the Subway because you still get the tower magnet and the Godzilla Pros still gave you the cool magnet that flings it into the left orbit to set up the upper flipper shot which I always thought was like it made sense why he preserved that in the Pro because gameplay-wise that's the thing you interact with the most is that magnet yeah absolutely I don't think there's any magnets in this game no interesting I don't think any magnets I love my magnets that's okay well there is an opto spinner so you know what else is weird is as I'm looking at this game we so many physical ball locks on keep lwin games right got iron every one of them it's got a physical ball lock do we have one here yes we do we do and that's what I think's going to catch a lot of people I think that's the lwin feature that's going to be the the winner to a lot of people if if they fall in love with this game it's going to be because of this lock o that's my theory any explanation as to what this physical lock is because it's not you can't just see it I mean no no that's why this is the I think people look and they'll go well you know I remember a feature like this from Big Buck Hunter I remember a feature like this from uh the bell and ACDC you know there I saw people already going and identifying toys that just look like you know new sculpts on top of stuff Sterns already done but that far right middle Flipper the little flipper can we not call those baby flippers cuz cuz they're small there got two of them here all right so the right baby flipper so what do you mean the baby flipper is a physical no it's a flipper it's not a physical ball what do you mean but it can be a ball lock how when it's flipped it captures the little balls well that's like saying my flipper down at the bottom when I when I hold it it's a phys but is the game ever going to Auto deploy it oh then you don't the game doesn't hold your flipper up for you I know unless you're playing October Fest when may or may not like action buttons but I wonder if an action button controls anything may you know it's sitting down there all green and and shiny that does look green is the color of and Green's the color of ball lock oh that is true and these photos I'm looking at on multiple models it's lit green oh man I like that that's cool so a physical ball lock that's a flipper it's Dual Purpose see they're saving money already to keep the price contained it can be a flipper and it can be a ball lock what I have said uh about this game is that a lot of people have looked at it and were like where's the big Jaws I want the Jaws coming up it's going to eat the ball and that's the only toy in the game this game reminds me listener a lot like alvara House of horse because elvar House of hores you look at it and everybody's like it's so open and there's nothing alvar's House of hores has maybe some of the most toys in mechs in any Stern Pinball Machine it's just there's so many of them and they're not a big big modeling of of what they are think about elvirus you've got all kinds of physical ball locks you have all kinds of interactive mechanical features I I think Jaws is the same way in that sure we don't have a big Bruce right in the middle of the Playfield and nothing else I mean let's talk about we got the flipper there you also have the the chum line with the the the fin that goes back and forth and it doesn't it's not like make on a stick that stays up there or or the Q guy uh mom jeans on dialed in like it goes down there's lights underneath the play field that light up you have to hit it then to the left of that there's a little path there's drop targets I'm looking at the premium Le for reference here an upper Playfield with a ramp on the upper Playfield wire forms coming off that a Chum Bucket that that swings you've got a boat that lifts up You've Got A bash toy that is Jaws you have horizontal Spinners two of them you've got three-dimensional buildings you've got a pop bumper that's got a barrel in it there's a there's a lot of stuff in this game but when you look down at it you're like it looks like the open ocean do any of those toys in particular very much interest you and or do any of the features Mex toys uh were you at all in terms of I mean so many of them really add a lot to the theme immersion side of it so I see like value there like so I'm not an upper Playfield fan as a general rule so I'm I'm skeptical about what I basically see is just two shots for so much space however I do like like the sound integration of hitting the and turning the wheel of the of the boat and it being the deck of the Orca so visually that works really well on the premium Le I would say toy wise the the pop-up shark yeah that's probably the most predictable thing but I it's a cool way to take use of that space and turn it from A bash toy to another bash toy but it's like and another one especially since in the boat form you've got like the opto thing with the three lights in the back and that ball is supposed to trigger though so I think that's a that's going to be an interesting fun challenge there um uh the toy I'm most concerned about would probably be the chum line simply because I can't help but wonder if the fin is going to bend as you strike it with the ball so like mechanically it doesn't uh and I could be wrong it doesn't look like a drop Target mechanism it looks like a standup Target that is motorized right right I think it's probably bracketed and reinforced I'm just curious if it's going to like I'm sure they've tested it but the Curiosity remains nonetheless so that would be it but but visually that's my my you know saying aside the whole people will look at and remember things like I guess maybe Big Buck Hunter or or Mick or whatever um the use of The Chum line and that uh you know watching the video and seeing that as you bash the CH the Chum Bucket and that the light start to grow glow more and more red in that spot as the blood's in the water I thought that's just a really cool again about theme immersion but just a really cool way to take something relatively simple in concept and and make it feel like the world of Jaws well and we were talking about upper playfields I'm with you I'm not a big upper play field guy but what I will say is that if you're going to give me an upper play field I like how Foo Fighters did it with Jack danger and the team over there where you're hitting shots uh flow shots rather than standup targets like a freaking Aerosmith or uh even drop targets sometimes can be a bit mundane except for shadow but for the most part you don't want to hit you don't want to be using a small flipper in a small area hitting targets is just not fun but what Keith did here is two really nice looking shots one that whips around almost the shape of like a Monster Bash left ramp but whipping around not only on a wire form but one that takes a deep dive pun intended back up the Playfield into a looping thing so that could visually look interesting and feel good as well as like you said the uh the steering wheel or the uh the the boat's wheel that spinner again a very appealing feeling shot whenever you can hit a spinner so I think if they are going to have an upper play field this one might feel really really good it's separate from the from the toys though this that reminded me as I looked at it CU I wanted to check and see what was on the pro also and it is but I guess this is the wave the wave uh ramp but does stern like just have a stockpile of 180 ramps these inverted have another 180 there's up the center there's one yeah and the wave ramp is one okay yeah there's I'm just like okay okay yeah cuz the yeah the one I was looking at the one at the right cuz I see water on top of it I thought maybe that's the wave ramp that is the wave ramp but the one right up the center in between the Chum Bucket and the boat that's a 180 ramp that to oh I didn't notice it because of the little sign at first okay so that is a 180 to so I guess we live in a world of 180s I'm not much of a 180 then again give me that left orbit ramp on Godzilla all day long that thing feels so good and it doesn't feel 180ish it almost feels like almost feels like Avengers uh Avengers Tower shot but instead of going and sticking to a magnet it flips up and goes onto a wire form through the building but um but yeah I'm typically not a 180 ramp kind of guy I forgot Mex in here on the premium le as well as the pro there are inlane uh posts that pop up that you can control have moments have modments whatever you want triggered shots for that Chum line you can create a lot of things Keith did that with Jurassic Park yeah no that that's a Keith ISM yeah but he's he's got he's double barreling it here yeah well he has to make up for it because he didn't have one in Godzilla oh there you go and then you've got the outlane post that you can physically bump back into like some of the old solid state games you can bump in or even some of the yeah that was really that I like that that NE that's really nice little nice little low bomb but fun uh there were some people saying that's going to be too easy for comp I don't I don't think so you can just take off the rubber if so yeah if he did it like yeah just or that whole post might actually be removable yeah that's true if you needed to honestly competitive uh folks would probably just pull the Rubber and say yeah have fun trying it's like trying to use the center post on like super orbit without the rubber yeah it can be done but good luck without tilting absolutely so I there are plenty of games that had that format that were still super brutal like Ed krinsky I think had a whole pile of them back in the day so yeah wasn't wasn't Ed the one no I'm thinking of who's uh Kirk Kirk was the one that you could do the uh the Kirk bounce the Center Post oh yeah he was a big fan of the center post but Ed had games like uh Jacks to open and stuff where there would be abilities to save out of the outline now as we're looking at this what else interests me on this shot wise Dennis Is that real shot because I think it may be a figure eight type of shot that we' seen in James Bond 60th but man oh man that's going to be tight if it we if it wraps around there it's leading to that I'm going to call it a midlane mid in lanane to the right around that pop bumper that's what it feels like it's going to try to do a figure eight there yeah I think so it's think of it's going to make that cool little sound but really fast it's going to be cool but you know this is a game that I think is going to be very particular about you being sure you have it level yes that and uh the different slopes are going to matter and it's going to be kind of like Iron Maiden where when you plunge it's nice when it goes around that orbit to feed that upper flipper but design Wise It's not like a requirement so we'll see the right orbit ends up being a ramp that goes through the backboard and coming back and they got all these waves uh very theme appropriate there's wireforms everywhere on this game Dennis look at all the wire forms there's a lot of wire I love the wire what is the shot though of the little flip the little flipper to the right it goes across the Playfield but then I where's I think it like loops around Oh you mean when if shot above the drops yeah cuz that's the path it shows it right it does show the path yeah so that's that's Trixie I think it's made to do a little whippy too m I don't know the Pro Edition you lose the upper Playfield there's no uh there no like kinetic boat that's hold in the ball there's no 3D Quint Shack in the back right which looks superb by the way no drop targets you only get stand up targets and the the shark toy is a static toy that is not you don't bash it just sitting there bursting through like a wood or something a boat or something like that yes he's bursting through the cage from the first movie oh that's right thank you the cage he's bursting through the cage so but you still have the the fin Chum line in the Playfield you still have all the the different wiry flippy shots all of that so we got the horizontal spinner is that like an upside down post that you hit for the horizontal spinner that is the layout that's the toys of the mechs what about the looks of this game that's we'll bring in art a little bit do you like the looks of this game for me it's a big big attempt and I think successfully so of the world under class that we all bring up cliche wise or other yeah overall I I like it I don't love it but uh I what I think is that it does a really good job of telling that story or putting you in that world rather than what in a lot of these style of things where I kind of feel like you get the more homage stuff where it's just sort of like here's the here's your spectrum of charact and of course we didn't completely get away from that in the dead center of the of the Playfield with uh with Quint and drus but but overall you know especially with the toys and stuff factored in and it being so open with a you know doesn't feel like like they've contained the inserts in in sort of logical there's a lot of wood there's just a lot of wood so yeah it's I mean in some ways it I think it it's served by the fact that it's Jaws so they just need it to be a lot of water and so that's what they're able to instead of a lot of like Marvel explosions and just purples rain into Reds and then here's you know 50 villains in the back corners or or Godzilla for example where every shot is kind of like themed around a particular Kaiju and the shots it's not even like the ones that are tied to the rules they're just like kind of shots that that just have a monster and it's kind of like the way they decide to you know you're trying to incorporate as much fan service as possible well this is three dudes on a boat against a shark so there's not a whole lot they have to really work in yeah yeah so but yeah I think it it looks it's a really I'd say a really clean execution it does look clean uh if we're looking at the art packages listener I would direct you to go to pinball news or this week and pinball or nap arcade look at all the different art packages uh it looks as if the premium art package is the one that has the different type of art on the translate back glass compared to that of the Le Pro the Le Pro have similar it's like the Jaws uh movie poster whereas the Le is actually a mirrored example of it and then on the side cabinet on the LA you get that metallic uh with two different art images on each side of the cabinet whereas I think the pro and the premium uh the cabinet are duplicated on each side uh it looks like Brody fighting off the shark on the premium and then on the pro uh the pro is a really pretty looking art package it's of Jaws attacking the cage uh when driv is down down there f with the toy they had to use on the pro for me I'm going to give Michael Barnard a hell of a lot of credit here because we were tough on him on Rush and totally redeemed himself here uh because this art package for me especially the back glass and the cabinet [ __ ] works in Spades it is beautiful just the Simplicity of that Ellie back glass for me I love it I cannot wait to see that in person it needs to be simple to me because it was the 70s and that's what the movie poster was they couldn't have thought of a better one in my opinion now if you ask around the the collective a lot of people Dennis are really digging this premium art package specifically that firstperson artwork of the backlash perspective rather yeah I don't like it thek you something about it was disconcerting to me and I couldn't place what it was and now you you've said it and so finally it's cuz I'm too tired it's it's because it's the first person perspective like and it just yeah it's just doesn't work for me I like I liked all I like all the other art packages I like the side of the premium cabinet a lot but but no that back glass just it it just it bugs me it it's too disconcerting it's actually too scary oh I would rather have the Simplicity of the poster because it's so iconic it's so icon I think get on the side of the head of the of the premium I guess you do give me I don't want that I don't want that killer shark glaring at me while I've got my Friday the 13th machete in my hand I don't I love the pro cabinet the best that's so cool no the the pro cabinet is is is my favorite also but I do like the premium a lot the Le cabinet Arts actually my least favorite I think in person it'll be a spectacle with the metallic foil on it it's just again we never saw a scene in the movie where the swimmers were there and the shark is like showing his teeth and stuff it's a little too a little too creative for me when you're dealing with an icon I prefer it to be a little more true to for and at least uh on the other side it's better because the you've got the closeup of the shark byting the cage but I prefer the more distant stuff so I actually really like the premium sides of the cab a lot with the the part where the ship's sinking and he's he's climbing out with the uh the stick maybe that's because it's one of the few instances where you actually get to see any of Roy Schneider oh we'll get to that the artwork on the Playfield I'm good with it I love that there is so much water uh for me it freaking works it works because not I'm not saying it works a beauty contest I'm saying it works because it's different for once it's I mean it's full-blown water worldish we've got a lot of water but they're different shades of water it's still showing different paths uh the wood in the middle take or leave it but give me more water I got to have more water but uh even the Jaws down in the uh in the the center the center of the flippers love it I love the light coming in I love that you can see uh The Horizon of of land in the sky and then we're back to water water and can I can I not give props to whoever came up with these art blades for the LA just Bravo it's so theme appropriate we don't have all these characters and stuff no they're bringing the world under glass truly in because you see more water and then you see uh like the beach scene with the Lifeguard stuff it's almost the perspective itself when you're playing playing it almost looks disorienting so perfectly done it makes sense that the code name I think was the code name for this game vertigo I think it might be all right so we don't we haven't heard it yet we haven't played it to know what the code is per se but we have more information about it including Seth Davis telling us that uh they do have film clips from not just Jaws but all of the Jaws films I don't know if anybody's talking about that yet Dennis I mean I heard it I heard it in explained in somewhere I don't remember what anymore today and I I'm a little concerned about that I think they're was I I thought it I thought I mean I'm sure they just gave them the other three with it is what happened because there's absolutely no reason to turn to any of those other films and as a child Jaws 2 was the one I liked but I I was pretty stupid as a kid take well it's because I just like the part about them you know lashing all the boats together I seen any of the other Jaws they each get progressively worse so yeah definitely don't use any clips from Jaws the Revenge so do Friday the 13th but we still love it no Friday the 13th doesn't even find it stride till after the third one oh that's that's for the patreon members for us to discuss okay uh you are in the game you're Quint the Bounty Hunter yeah that surprised me and then later on Sat DAV said you can flip the script and play as the great white coming soon dot dot dot he teased it we do know that there's custom speech by Richard dfus licensed John Williams theme score uh when asked about Brody I think one of the dealers was like okay well let's deal with Brody do we get Brody do we not get Brody I don't know what the actor's name is I'm sorry too Roy Schneider thank you do we get Roy Schneider Seth David said quote we have everyone in the film clips but he then said talked about the challenges of Licensing and what likeness means and how there are differences if a person is still living versus deceased the complexities that arise with all of that now I thought someone said that if it was prior to like 1985 then you can do anything you want yeah that well it's easier but uh but I think once they pass away maybe it's maybe it gets the family involved I don't know uh but he did say we've got everyone in the film clips I don't I don't until we see it we just don't know I mean I did hear in the trailer the bigger boat line that sounded like it was his voice so yeah so I just but I noticed the thing that is and this is where I I don't agree with uh a decision made for the Playfield art I don't I think it looks too glaring when you have Quint and D's character Hooper there in the center of the Playfield and not Roy schneid there's three dudes on a boat and when you decide to prominently display two of them it it calls attention to his missing you know what I completely agree so I just wouldn't have I just wouldn't have I have still put their faces in but they could have been you know ramp shots or something yeah some just put them somewhere else instead it's like hey look here's the here's the collage of characters that Stern loves to do on their playfields and it's like uh you know the movie was about three and in fact Roy Schneider's the main one especially like they did the neder figure in Jurassic Park they kind of put him over here they could have done that singly just doing it off to the side it's yeah I'm not saying spend anything you you know they already spent a lot you know you have the Williams score and you've got D doing call they SP they spent enough I'm not saying they needed to get him to do this I'm just saying don't call attention to it like this yeah I can agree on that I would have thought that they would have argued that you're going to play as the perspective of of the of the cop of Roy's character because you know the whole argument that we used to hear when oh there's no Sigourney Weaver and Aliens because you're playing as her or there's no Jennifer Connelly in The Labyrinth yeah cuz you're you are in The Labyrinth you're doing your we have replace Brody we are the Brody we are Brody Brody do you even play pin okay sorry I am Broadus that's right oh that was a really old reference I'm sorry for that one take my tiny hand okay when they do scary movie too they better get his tiny hand they best be getting Chris Elliott I think it's Chris Elliot so uh additional future features check this out y'all Seth Davis said uh additional features coming to this title include a career ranking system ah that'd be fun yeah a special in-game mode unlocking oh coming soon he said you play as the Bounty Hunter and you actually you collect shark teeth that's a task in the game he did go on to say that collecting shark teeth was a carryover uh feature so people asked like are we going to get venom kind of stuff where we're building and he said there are some of that in this game with Insider connected one of them being collecting shark teeth that will carry over get enough shark teeth and do I become a mutant symbiote shark you get 25 billion shark teeth and you get your you get your Sharky badge and it's messed up like the one with the topper and it's like you ever turn the game off all your progress is lost was that that with the Mandalorian that b since been fixed uh so that's also digital content is coming such as a video mode on an LCD screen of video mode it's going to be making a CES debut so be on the lookout for that Jos 3D the other digital content coming you can play as the shark and they're also going to have some wizard mode reveals so yeah we can't we don't know what the code is the instruction cards it's Keith elwin always trust in the Nagle I will say we jumped over it but can we not praise Stern for not pulling a Jurassic Park on this for actually getting video assets and clips from the film okay Roy Schneider what but still we actually can look up when playing this game listener and we can see the film that we all love that's what I'm talking about that's what I want Bob yes yes yes that's what I want I want that in all of my games I'm missing it in Jurassic Park because I don't have that code that pulls the videos in I promise but that's what I that's what I'm wanting and it's got and they' like I'm not big on the whole paying the the the celebrity to do custom call outs I'm going let you in on a secret here listener I honestly don't give a [ __ ] for me personally like that's money that's whatever it's not special to me give me more video assets but I appreciate them getting it uh because I know people do care about that but video assets are huge for me give me video assets over any likeness art assets all day long and they got them in here I would be remiss if I stopped talking about Jaws without bringing up some of the LA features Dennis oh baby this this great white powder coat I mean when a pun fits beautiful white powder coat I think works I think white works on this game uh white and red really signifies lifeguard kind of stuff and then the uh the predominant blue around makes sense that's a that's a perfect color palette there Michael Barnard if you're the one that picked the PCO color the the shark bite I think is funny uh it's cute more than anything what about the shooter Rod I don't know about the shooter Rod the barrel shooter Rod I mean it doesn't look painful to use so yeah I don't know about that but can we talk about Mir back glass sh we've already talked Shaker motor sh non-reflective glass sh that's fine all of this is awesome but a first for Stern Pinball is what they're calling Seth Davis said they are calling Express expression speaker lighting everybody wants to know where expression lighting is they only put it on music pins while they're pulling it up to the speaker panel and interacting with the game are now the speaker lights Hallelujah I love this feature this is like if I don't know and here's another little tidbit you're going to hear on the pinball show when asked is this going to be a feature that you can buy as an accessory for the pro premium TB D we may we may not see it I don't even know what the I don't even know what the install would be like on something like that but I love that they now have speaker lighting like some other manufacturers that interacts with the code and gameplay of that of that title Seth Davis talked about like blood in the water you're going to see blood effects on that lighting and he talked about uh water effects splashing and stuff you're going to see that in those speaker lighting and then they've got the the cutout of the JW's figure in there too oh that's fantastic fastic can't wait for my La so those are some cool cool features oh I was looking at the speaker things and I didn't realize were the Star Trek right I did I I liked them quite a bit when I was like the federations there be whales aboard C there be whales there oh I'm wrong C it's a great white you think quint's gonna sing his little song shant probably at the start of one of the multiballs shanty uh okay so here's the timeline of events for the Joel's release not the one on social media that is confusing no uh January 7th we have the CES unveiling and the Press event so be on the lookout for that a game play Premier video with live game team chat on Stern's YouTube channel is happening Sunday January 7th at 8:00 p.m. central did did vom have that I I think a pre-recorded gameplay I don't know if they had pre-recorded I thought they did something with gameplay on their YouTube but yeah this is a what I've been preaching forever a pre-recorded edited nicely produced video showing gameplay Georgy Jack been doing that um I think uh spooky recently did that a lot of people are are switching to that I think it's very smart and then you still have the the Sturm creators and the game team live in the chat which I think is great focusing over to YouTube My God Stern you're making it happen I love it January 8th then is the CES pepcom press event January 9th through 12th is CES trade show and then January 16th through 18th is the eag trade show so we're going to be seeing some gameplay coming very very soon 1,000 ell's $ 12,999 does it sell out how does this game sell do the pros out sell the premium or is it the other way around is this a hard to find title or is this one that's going to be sitting on dealers shelves for for 20,000 Leagues Under the uh how do you think this thing sells uh it's an L1 it sells fine you're right you're right and by selling fine you're actually wrong it's selling great better or worse than Foo Fighters oo it's better than Benham better than James Bond well at this point the the pacing based on where we're at we're recording not even 24 hours upon Rel uh not even 12 hours 9 hours we're recording at 9 hours uh post launch at 9 hours post launch we have sold significantly more than we did Foo Fighters Ln effect or just that it's a stronger theme or why not both I think it's both because this thing what this doesn't have that Foo Fighters does is timing Foo Fighters release was timed perfectly MH for people to open their wallets that was like the The Last Breath of that huge ass Market that we've seen uh during pandemic that was the last harra so that's true it had a lot of uh current behind the wave if you will and and then Jaws here I think is fighting against the current and a lot of respects and even it is surpassing all of those crashes and those waves that people uh people have told me I don't know how many times in social media this last week Dennis people have reiterated that the sky is in fact falling um any time I post a used game for sale there's always one just genuinely clever individual [ __ ] like standup comedians that they tell me how the market is crashing and I'll be lucky to get half of that and yeah but for some reason yeah this this game is selling very very well I think this is a theme that is stronger than Godzilla and I think that the leak initially hurt the sales from a collector perspective I really do um because it got a narrative behind it too and just had to deal with all that [ __ ] I think this is a game that is so hidden in its Brilliance I super stoked about this game so much so that I'm easily without a doubt getting an Le for myself um I even oh I'm such a nerd dentist Jaws I love the Jaws theme it's not like a dream dream theme but I think it belongs in any Blockbuster like I just love Blockbuster films this is it um and I love the film too but I'm such a nerd that I I did the specialized number thing and I don't ever do that like this the first time I've ever done that for a Stern it's so stupid so dumb lucky number 14 so yeah I am I am stoked about this game uh and let's hope that hope that code is good and all of that it's selling great and I'm excited I'm excited for it all right we will be talking uh next episode 145 as well as on social media and and streams we're going to be talking about Jaws for a long time right uh yeah most likely so we'll break from that right now and there's a lot we need to talk about including I don't know padrea gaming securing the licensing for B Williams games in collaboration with planetary pimple what come on how's that going to work what's that going to look like have I talked to cgc about pulps being on the line or Cactus Canyons being remade or if they're going to maybe what about Princess Bride little sneaky peeky about Princess Bride is that a good theme for pinball when's it coming who's it coming from spooky pinball launching a Scooby-Doo topper accessory and a wonderful launch video that had a nice little pinball show Easter egg at the end I don't know if you call that did you watch that no I don't watch topper videos I I don't watch topper videos edited the the pinball show Easter r at the end oh so you oh you worked on it wow I had no idea you weren't being really heavy-handed with the suggestions of its greatness is pimber back I think so we need we need to talk about that speaking of heavy-handed in sponsorship of penberg baby's smallest penberg ever hey it's still penberg it's the motion in the ocean pin bero why I bur no uh so we've got a lot to talk about but they can only hear it if they are an exclusive Club member of the pinball show and you can sign up today by going to patreon.com the pinball show if you missed that it's patreon p AO n.com theep pinball show if it doesn't come up you're doing a backslash it's a regular slash I get confused too it's not a biggie so go sign up now listen to that exclusive content because we got a lot to talk about we also need to thank some people Dennis yes we must we got to thank the the I was going to say the beefer my God I just spit all over my what does a beaver sound like I don't I don't know what a beaver sounds like but it's not a bobcat who do you think would win a fight between a bobcat and a beaver Bobcat cuz it will attack anyone's wife attack attack a beaver wife oh shoot that [ __ ] thank you Rodney appreciate uh and congratulations on your new game what about Jabs the jablonsky the Bumblebee would a bumblebee beat a bobcat stings him in the Bumble eye it might I'm GNA stick with the Bobcat here thank you Steve and thank you rob the panther snar now we're now we're messing with some the Panther and a bobcat got to go Panther on that one yeah 60% of the time it would work every time now if we're talking about cocaine Bobcat give me cocaine Bobcat well that's that's the performance enhancing and and benzo Panther I'm good [Laughter] man the zy panther all right tabbed out Panther what about the kineticist well it depends if it's pin low doy ketamine or not kineticist that's perfect k for the K you couldn't have said it better special kineticist wow can't see a doped up freaking wizard oh man okay what thank you Colin for the support what about the Falcon an alcoholic Falcon I can see I can see a swooping uh swerving alcoholic FAL Falcons are not to be messed with I think a falcon if big enough can probably tear up a panther I think the Falcon might be the toughest no at least a what this a small pan what's a baby panther called a cub a kit dead meat if it's against the falcon just like at Yorkie or that Terrier or what was it Terrier was a it was a uh yeah like yeah like a Yorkshire Terrier or something or snower sower yeah right a toy snower uh what about uh Dave thanks thanks Dave the Shaker motor that Shaker motor ain't going to beat up anybody it's got that protective plastic shell that you know what pain in the ass to put that shell on sometimes it is ridiculous Dr the like making expression shooter rods or whatever your next dumb light thing is Stern figure out how to make a better case for that figure it out yeah what about the the fox Joe Fox thank you the fox get tore up I'm sorry Fox tore up unless it's got rabies well a rabid Fox got that froth power Charlie thank you Charlie your bell ain't doing [ __ ] buddy it's not doing even the Liberty Bell couldn't hold up oh already cracked is that too soon and the highest one of them all will an independence day with your joke on the pimple show I'm unsubscribing we'll get messages from Philip We Will William the dude this is what happens Larry that wasn't her toe dude dude ain't going to tear up in no yeah just going to abide the Dude abides I could see the dude riding a screaming eagle though man I can see that happening dude's no Kami he's a nihilist is he a no he's not a niist no he's not niist oh thank you all man oh Dennis that last live hangout happy hour that we had have some good stuff wasn't 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your style dude numbers don't Li what do you even leaked out of me I'm just like absolutely not don't report the report no cares the Market's like used ones we don't care about new ones look when there's a blip in the market I simply report it don't kill the master tennis I'm just a conduit of information that's all I am I'm like the CNN Fox News a pinball see what I did there what's what's even more walk that line the BBC M MSNBC where the BBC and Reuters of P what's the what's the boring news Reuters okay we'll take that uh turning up is Jaws because it it it is sales are phenomenal you're thinking about buying one if you haven't already listener I know you are by and I also have to Trend up Stern Pinball I always Trend up Stern Pinball it's not because I'm a shill even if I was a shill this is not why I'm doing it here I'm doing it here because they talked about all types of cool ass goals that we want to see uh in the next year or so and I don't know uh not continuing coming out with different Le variations is a good Trend in my opinion and as well as a talking about coming up bringing back some DMD titles not that I'm wanting them back but I think a lot of people do uh so that's that's another reason to Trend up as well nicely done Stern Pinball and of course this one's at a left field but numbers don't lie just reports the sales and trending up this week is pinball Brothers alien the Ripley Edition for whatever reason the last two weeks we have simply sold out of our entire inventory of these Ripley Edition machines sure I've still got a couple LVS sitting there at $3,000 more but everybody for whatever reason it's like the Hot Topic right now the hot the hot trending topic that's right all goed up and it's and it's Sigourney Weaver and it's can't wait for them to release the black lipstick annoying ass cat uh and weird witty t-shirts uh yeah Bob Jonesi God Joel was playing that the other night I'm like all right get through this mode I'm going to shoot a cat leave it who cares if the cat dies Ripley Edition sold out with us we're waiting for more uh but at $79.95 I I guess I understand why but alas trending down this week we're going to do something a little bit different this week I want to do some trending Downs as a retailer of pinball machines as a seller a distributor a dealer the man that sells you pinball machines buys pinball machines from you trades pinball machines I'm going to give you some of my most trending down pet peeves when it comes to buying selling and trading keep in mind I may illustrate these pet peeves for entertainment purposes or health maybe this is exactly how I feel right trending down this week is this is this one's not too bad but when you buy a machine from a distributor and and we're shipping it to your house we're shipping it to your door and we get it shipped to you and then like the day before it's supposed to get to your house you change your plans and you want to pick it up at a terminal now again not a huge deal but you know keep in mind that to do so there's more paperwork that's got to be done and it's much cheaper if I were just to ship it to a terminal in the first place for you to pick up honestly I want to save you some money mention that to me beforehand and I might be able to save you some money if you're wanting to pick it up at a terminal rather than bringing it to your door the the reason being not to nerd out too much here but the reason being when it comes to your house it's a residential property and often times you don't have a fort truck or you don't have a dock so you're going to need a liftgate on that truck to ship it to the dock take it out put it into a different truck a smaller truck typically and bring it out on a lift gate they charge more money sometimes1 sometimes $200 uh more so ultimately when you call and say hey I want to pick this thing up at the terminal now I'm like damn it's more work for me and I could have saved some money I could have saved you some money you know that's a small little trending down another trending down of buying and selling pinball machines one of my favorite things in pinball is talking about pinball interacting with my friends my customers about the newest releases what I think about the games candidly too what I like when I don't like about games it's one of my favorite things I love doing that because I freaking love this damn hobby a bleed pinball y'all but what is trending down is on launch day you guys got to get this in perspective for me as a dealer as a distributor uh launch day is like a holiday for me and not like a holiday like a good Hol like it's like Christmas so well it's like it's honestly it's like game day it's not even like a holiday cuz I'm not chilling out I am sweating I am working my ass off it's like Grand Central Station here it is like the Super Bowl I'm doing my stretches beforehand it is freaking game day and I'm about to run out of that tunnel and I am about to perform because I'm going to be answering text messages emails uh Facebook I've got pens side people are asking questions they're wanting to it is a nuton around here but I love it it's my Super Bowl it's my ays tour if you will for all you Swifty fans out there so I was born for game title launch day but trining down are a couple of you guys that find it appropriate on launch day to message me in the thick of things just to tell me how crappy you think a certain product is that launched that day man you see the ramp that sucks man the sales are going to suck on this thingz what were they thinking here look I'm just so tired of the pricing you can tell manufacturer ass to go kick rocks like trending down is that I'm open to that feedback and hell I'll agree with some of it too but there's a time and place and on launch day is not the time nor the place so if it takes me a little extra time or days to respond to you during launch day to to crap all over a product my apologies and our last little trending down sub segment of buying and selling pinball machines this one's not too bad either but just a little Quirk I've seen pop up every now and then when you go to sell a game or trade in a game try not to ask to change the terms of the deal without adjusting the value of said trade or sale deal like for example I've had a couple of these lately where terms are met upon here's what the trade in's worth we'll do this you get this new game you're giving me this game I get a resell blah blah blah right but then uh everything's packed up we're ready to go you're coming tomorrow or I'm delivering it shipping it tomorrow and you say hey I had a Shaker motor in my old game is it okay if I pull that cuz I'm wanting to put that in my new game now sure if you want to take $100 off the deal that's fine but you can't expect me to just be like yeah keep that extra $100 increase the value of your new game is that bad for me to say like I'm just keeping it real here like come on if it's in your game you made the deal it's in the game if you want to take it out it's $100 same with like pin stadiums or something like that if you're advertising something for sale with pin stadiums in there it's a couple hundred bucks you pulling them willy-nilly affects the deal it changes the terms and of course like something just like a Topper yes people are going to speak up but it's like the little thing sometimes I'm like come on now that was part of it there I guess it goes down to this if you send pictures of the item for sale or for trade and terms are agreed upon damn it everything in those pictures better still be in there maybe my trending down segment here uh it's because it was a long day I hope you enjoyed it though because it is very much a part of the marketplace when moving within your collection pinball machines do you all agree with me do you disagree submit your very own pet peeve for maybe a future pinball market trends trending up or down submit it to the pinball show at gmail.com I'd love to hear do you guys agree with me do you disagree with me and for anyone who is guilty of those of those trending uh down topics I assure you I still love you I'm just busting balls and speaking the truth pinball Bounty this week still radical still looking for a Congo I'm really hot and heavy for a Lord of the Rings y'all there are some I get it there are some on the marketplace they're just not clean enough or if they are clean enough they're not priced accordingly fat harves keep looking for me guys it's out there and as always I'm just here to report the facts because numbers don't lie neither do I on pinball Joels Trends Dennis let's shut her down where can people reach you you can always email me collectic Gamers podcast atgmailcom okay and you can reach us at the pinball show gmail.com as well I heard that there used to be another pinball show that covered fake pinball but they're not around anymore and I don't know maybe they just want to Warehouse 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you you've seen them out there you've seen them catch on to my Sly marketing and other people now offering free shipping read the fine details my friend because that free shipping may be to another city where you have to drive and go pick it up no no no no at flipping out pinball we ship it free to your door and maybe we can save you some money if you want to go pick it up at the Turnal but that's besides the fact it's free shipping to your door I can't guarantee you FedEx fre it's going to call you but like they didn't call me they see they well they did they did schedule the original although I have a little story for you on that oh really oh it's real quick so show worthy yeah yeah sure why not yeah no there already people posted on pide that was not show worthy I didn't I didn't hear that yeah yeah so no so FedEx uh we set a scheduled time they came 15 minutes at the end of the scheduled period so it was within the SCH yes it was it was the last thing on the truck I went out there they're they're lowering it down I'm explaining I've got a space cleared out in the garage for them to put the pallet and she's like am I going to have enough room to turn the device around like yes yes yes I've got all set up and she goes and she Wheels it in and she sees I got a couple others in the uh older games in the garage and she goes oh yeah you've got sad yeah I no Sinbad's in the lineup cuz it's good no Buck Rogers is now in the garage so and the Victory I'm still working on anyway so she's going and she's wheeling in and she sees them and she goes oh yeah I said oh you've got a couple other of these already I go yeah I work on them and she goes oh yeah no that's right I remember you what and I go what and she goes I delivered you a game before but here's the thing uh she didn't deliver Deadpool a guy did cuz he fell on my car I remember yeah getting pinned up she delivered Godzilla years ago and remembered me really because who orders pinball yeah but do we stick out that bad Mar dead do we stick out that bad did she say so with like a on her face no it was she remembered it was me mentioning that I work on them that I guess was the trigger where she's like oh yeah this is the guy who has the games in the garage that he's always working on and apparently never finishes would it be fair to say that you triggered her farewell and to you fair Spanish ladies no I think by definition yeah was there a little smile a flip of the hair possibly I don't know didn't there could have been flips but she was like oh now I got to go pick up a game all the way up in the Northland I'm R behind schedule P well that was interesting and uh the game itself arrived and at least it's there have you have you got to do or die multile yeah yeah I'm you well you know me and Carl we just basically just race for that stuff so so order your pinball machine today from flipping out pinball get free shipping to your door and the industry-leading customer service that's a that's 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week he's going to have a Jaws Pro here in a couple weeks as well that' be fun uh tpn last week oh well last couple weeks we been it's been a while we've had a few things yeah we had episode 46 of triple drain where they did the crossover episode with loser kids pinball podcast oh it was a good one yeah and then uh Gerry Stellenberg from multimorphic was on pinball innovators and makers podcast very nice and then silverball Chronicles this part one of their Capcom series oh I love that one why does Capcom uh interest me so because they have the most powerful flippers to have ever flipped do you hear them when you're holding them up you know I I don't know if they have the that buzz or not that's a physical ball lock I've heard look I'm holding four four ball physical lock tpn this week all kinds of good stuff so tune in follow the pinball show and the pinball Network teach these people something well I'm really I'm going to teach the manufacturers manufacturers oh no guys when there's 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