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The Pinball Show Ep 151.5: Into The Weeds: Fallout, Dune 2, Zach & Greg's Book Club & More

Pinball Show Patreon Feed·podcast_episode·13m 3s·analyzed·Apr 29, 2024
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TL;DR

Hosts discuss book club, movies, and IP licensing with minimal pinball focus.

Summary

In this casual, meandering Pinball Show episode, hosts Zach and Greg digress extensively into movies, TV shows, and a newly formed two-person book club before circling back to pinball speculation. They discuss Dune, Fallout, Dark Tower adaptations, and Stephen King properties, with tangential conversation about IP themes that could work as pinball machines. Limited pinball-specific content is present.

Key Claims

  • A worm/creature mechanic is coming to an unspecified pinball machine and the speaker expects it will eat the ball

    medium confidence · Speaker discussing upcoming pinball game with uncertainty: 'Will the worm eat the ball? We don't know yet. It's got to. It's just got to.'

  • Fallout would make sense as a pinball machine but probably won't happen

    medium confidence · Discussion between hosts: 'Do you think Fallout becomes a pinball machine? No, I don't think, I think that's a bridge too far.'

  • Cuphead as a pinball machine was a real product that happened

    high confidence · Speaker comparing IP: 'It would make more sense than Cuphead' (implying Cuphead exists as a pinball machine)

  • There was a Walking Dead pinball machine featuring the actor who played Herschel

    high confidence · Discussion: 'it had the guy who played the dad farmer from Walking Dead, which was a pinball machine'

  • Zach and Greg recently started a two-person book club

    high confidence · Greg proposed the idea: 'why don't we try to find like a book maybe we both might enjoy and then we can kind of discuss it'

  • They read Dark Matter as their first book club selection

    high confidence · Direct statement: 'we read uh what was a dark matter there's a dark matter'

  • Mike Flanagan is adapting The Dark Tower series for Amazon with Stephen King's approval

    high confidence · Speaker: 'he is actually taking on the dark series or the Dark Tower series with approval through Stephen King. And usually he's a Netflix guy, Flanagan, but they're taking it to Amazon.'

  • The speaker never watched either IT adaptation (mini-series or film)

    high confidence · Speaker: 'I've never watched any of it' in response to question about IT adaptations

Notable Quotes

  • “Will the worm eat the ball? We don't know yet. It's got to. It's just got to.”

    Zach or Greg (unclear) @ Early in episode — Reference to upcoming pinball machine mechanic; suggests worm/creature feature is a known feature in development

  • “Do you think Fallout becomes a pinball machine? No, I don't think, I think that's a bridge too far.”

    Greg and Zach @ Mid-episode — Speculation about IP licensing and whether major video game properties will get pinball treatment

  • “he and i have started a book club... it was his idea yeah it's just an excuse for him to wear all his sweaters”

    Zach (about Greg) @ Mid-episode — Announcement of new co-host project; personal dynamic humor

  • “this episode is already fucking good the audience is gonna hate this the pin side thread is gonna blow up with this 20 plus minute boring intro”

    Zach @ Mid-episode — Self-aware meta-commentary about episode structure and expected community reaction

  • “Mike Flanagan is actually taking on the dark series or the Dark Tower series with approval through Stephen King”

    Greg @ Late in episode — Announcement of upcoming Dark Tower TV adaptation by acclaimed horror director

Entities

Zach SharpepersonGregpersonThe Pinball ShowpodcastMike FlanaganpersonStephen KingpersonTimothy OliphantpersonFalloutgameDuneproduct

Signals

  • ?

    design_innovation: Reference to an unannounced pinball game featuring a worm or creature that may eat the ball during play

    medium · Speaker states 'Will the worm eat the ball? We don't know yet. It's got to.' suggesting a known mechanic in development with uncertain details

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Speculation about whether major video game IPs (Fallout, Dune) will receive pinball machine adaptations

    low · Casual discussion: 'Do you think Fallout becomes a pinball machine? No, I don't think, I think that's a bridge too far.'

  • ?

    content_signal: Host acknowledges episode structure (long intro) will draw negative community reaction on Pinside forum

    high · Direct quote: 'this episode is already fucking good the audience is gonna hate this the pin side thread is gonna blow up with this 20 plus minute boring intro'

  • ?

    community_signal: New book club project launched between co-hosts Zach and Greg as supplementary content

    high · Greg proposed two-person book club idea; they read Dark Matter together and plan ongoing discussion format

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Discussion of major entertainment IP being adapted across multiple formats (books to TV/film); relevance to pinball licensing strategy

    medium · Hosts discuss hot IP titles (Dune, Fallout, Three-Body Problem, Dark Tower) and their entertainment adaptations, questioning which would work as pinball

  • ?

Transcript

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0:00
Warning, the following episode contains adult language and screaming goats. Listener discretion is advised.
0:12
The Pinball Network is online. Launching the Pinball Show. Thanks again for the ongoing support as a Pinball Show Club member. Enjoy this exclusive TPS content and make sure to visit the Pinball Show Club Discord to chat about the bonus material. I just love Javier Bardem. Every time that kid will walk in the room, he's like, Oh, it's Jesus Christ. Oh, sorry. I'm not allowed to use that reference that is comparable there. Oh, it's the chosen one. It's the chosen one. Wee-oo. Wee-oo-wee-oo-wee-oo. That's what I was waiting for. The chosen one. I'm coming. I don't do too. I think we might have talked about it here. Just, I don't.
0:55
It's going to be a pinball. Everyone's excited. Here's another thing real quick. Will the worm eat the ball? We don't know yet. It's got to. It's just got to. Can you imagine the mods that'll have to happen if it doesn't? So Elvis comes in, right, as this badass that's like brother or cousin to the other fat guy or something. Or no, that's Drax. So is he brother or cousin to Guardians Drax? Elvis comes in, all bald and kind of sexy. And then he's this like chosen one. He's the alternate chosen one. he's the Darth Vader to the Luke Skywalker blue eyes from worm rider. Okay. I get the whole thing. It's the same. So you understood like they were trying, cause the first movie in the eighties didn't, didn't touch on any of that. Cause I think they rightly decided it was way too confusing to explain the Benny Jesuit breeding program and what they were trying to do. Okay. So then he comes in and it's like, Hey audience, watch how bad ass of a fighter he is. First off, he barely won the damn fight. He didn't seem strong at all. somebody in the audience is like yeah whoop your ass and damn near did and then i'm like okay this guy's not that great and then for the rest of the film he's like almighty and all powerful i'm like what what is going on here choose a side i i don't it's just not believable and this big fat guy just lifts out of ink like an octopus like what's going on i don't get it now crude's too oh god don't don't masterpiece no you know why people want to never have a pinball machine i don't even know if there'll ever be a homebrew for crudes too and i'm halfway through fallout we'll see where that goes i like fallout but if you haven't played the games you're not going to appreciate the sound effects or even the stem packs okay it's all the right sounds play the games don't you be don't you hate on keeping a close eye on that missing nose and how they're cgi in that because yeah it's a it's hard to pull off profile shots that that's true and if if walt was a serious actor like johnny depp he'd have had the nose surgically removed i'll drink your milkshake just let him have this one thing he works there what yeah okay i because i first was familiar with him there no pinball on there so i keep going why not Why wasn there ever a justified pinball With Timothy Oliphant Yes he also played Hitman They're a video game tie-in. He did Hitman 47 in a movie, and now Walton is doing a TV series about a video game, and Hitman was a video game. Yeah.
The Dark Tower
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The Bone Collectorproduct

product_strategy: Hosts suggest some IP is 'too big' or 'a bridge too far' for pinball adaptation despite popularity

medium · Fallout discussion implies certain AAA video game franchises may not translate to pinball, contrasted with successful adaptations like Cuphead

3:30
Do you think Fallout becomes a pinball machine? It wasn't a video game, but it had the guy who played the dad farmer from Walking Dead, which was a pinball machine. It's all connected. Herschel. Thank you. Yeah. There was an episode with the Herschel actor.
3:47
Okay. I'd take a Tim's the Oliphant pinball machine. You know, he could have been more prominently featured in Mandalorian. Yeah, I think so too. He was too sexy. You're like, let's not compare him to Pedro here. Where do we go? Just to wear a hat and mumble fallout. Do you think fallout becomes a pinball machine?
4:06
No, I don't think, I think that's a bridge too far. Really? Yes. It would make more sense than Cuphead.
4:17
I'm just thinking of these hot titles like Dune, Fallout, Three-Body Problem, that kind of stuff. I don't know. I'm above it all. I've been reading. Oh, how intellectual of you. First time in my life I've been reading. It's okay. I just got through, what was it? you know what's so funny you know what i don't even care this episode is already fucking good the audience is gonna hate this the pin side thread is gonna blow up with this 20 plus minute boring intro this is what they get uh this is this is me and greg bone just just being when are we getting another stereotypical people here this or that where's a new this or that it's coming i guess when are you doing the rubber band episode he and i have started a book club oh look he it was his idea yeah it's just an excuse for him to wear all his sweaters he goes you know what man i know this is kind of uh silly sounding but um and we can't let anybody know sorry greg i'm so letting people know he goes but why don't we try to find like a book maybe we both might enjoy and then we can kind of discuss it and i was like did you just try to create a two-person book club with your best friend he's like yeah but i know it sounds really weird but i'm like no okay well i'm i'm down so we read uh what was a dark matter there's a dark matter so is that really a book club like i've had instances where tony's like hey i read this book called the martian it's really good let me loan it to you and then i read it and we talk about it we don't call it a book club i think it gets a little bit intimate if you're reading at the same time that's what makes it cluppy because you're you're preparing for discussion and trying to pace oneself uh so that you can discuss at the end rather than hey this was good read it catch up tell me what you think that's more of a recommendation than a club but can you have a club with two people i mean i guess so but it kind of lame and nobody recommend email me recommend boats because I still trying to get in the process of enjoying reading So I think you need to read Dune. Oh, geez.
6:41
Just the first one. That's all you need to read. And then you can compare it to the movie. It's on my list. Lord of the Rings is a it's not the most pleasant read. I started the Dark Tower stuff and I love that so far. I'm in the second book on that. The first book I really liked. I think the fourth is the best in that series. Oh.
7:02
It's all quite readable. You've gone through it. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I read it decades ago. Sweet. So you recommend me continuing? Yes. All right. Because, yeah, the first one I was, I don't know why I liked it as much as I did. It's a good story. But I just really liked it.
7:17
The Man in the Black Hat. Okay. All right, all right, all right. No. Oh, that movie was awful. I didn't see it, and I try not to, you know? I try. I own that movie on Amazon. I had credits, and I bought it because I was like, well, I read all the books. And then I was like, I'm glad I didn't see this in theaters. Because I'm going through the series, though. I don't want to. Because I know the film only covers like one, two, three, maybe four. But I don't even want. That's generous. It basically covers book one in a totally different way than book one's written. Okay. I still, I need to get through a couple more before I watch the film. I mean, I would say never watch the film, but you make that decision when you come to it. It's totally different. It's not designed like for a sequel of any sort. In my view, it's all self-contained. It's not like the books. It's just different. well they got uh mike flanagan pretty prolific horror film uh creator of the last decade he a huge stephen king fan like almost like a fucking protege like huge fan and all his horror stuff has just been fantastic over the last decade he is actually taking on the dark series or the Dark Tower series with approval through Stephen King. And usually he's a Netflix guy, Flanagan, but they're taking it to Amazon. So that will be an upcoming Amazon series, The Dark Tower. And if it's by him, I can get behind it because he's been one of my favorite horror film people in the last decade. So you know what was tough for me though? Was I wanted to read, my favorite horror film is the the it franchise yeah it's my so not a film uh you mean the series right the one with the scars guard guy in it so yes so it depends like is lord of the ring lord of the rings the three films one big film or is it just a series of film it's three movies okay well the uh the mini series with tim curry that was a mini series i fell in love with that it was my favorite and then the uh the new machiati machiato what the fuck is his name um the director for it new film andy muschietti Okay Then the Muschietti stuff came up and I thoroughly enjoyed that as well So it's my, it's still my favorite, even through the new stuff. Uh, they're different to me, but I love them equally, but that's been always been my favorite horror stuff. And I was like, Oh, you know what? I'm going to read the Stephen King thousand fricking 2000 page giant. Yes. I gave up reading it. I've never watched any of it. Oh, you've never seen either one of the. Nope. And I got about halfway through the book and got bored and gave up. Okay. So interestingly enough, I, I started that cause I was going to start that in between one and two of dark tower and started it and got through about 150 pages. And I struck, I loved it just because I love this storyline, but I struggled not to visually picture the film actors and it kind of ruined it for me. Is that something that happened? Because I like a blank canvas so that I can create characters visually. But I had a hard time doing that without thinking of visualizing those characters. Is that a thing? Or should I just keep pushing on? Do you ever do that, like film-based stuff? Sure. Sure, it happens.
11:04
Can you enjoy a book after you've seen the movie? Yes, you can. I mean, it all depends. So Jeffrey Deaver is a mystery author that I'm fond of a number of his books. And you might have seen the movie The Bone Collector. Sure. With Denzel Washington and Angelina Jolie. No, no, no. That's Patterson. Kiss the Girls and Along Came the Spider is James Patterson. Jeffrey Deaver. I get those mixed up. Jeffrey Deaver. I think there was one made for TV thing way back in the day. and then there's only the bone collector to my knowledge of his books okay but he is he's a very i think he's a better writer than patterson is i've read patterson's books too i i can flow between them but one of the things was i saw a bone collector before i ever read deaver so i always envision lincoln rhyme as denzel washington even though deaver writes him as a white guy okay so i just read along and he's just he becomes i don't care what deaver says he looks like he becomes link he becomes denzel washington when i read is that hard for you though no i don't care and did you see the film before too yes or just seen enough of it to know that if i know a movie's coming like i made sure i read lord of the rings before the movies came out i deliberately did it a few months before they came out i made sure i finished jurassic park before the movie came out in the early 90s so i if i know and i think i like the book or i think i like the idea i've heard something about it. I try and get through the book before I watched the movie and then they stand separate. But I also, I do not reread books. So once I've read a book, it's, it's dead to me. I don't go back to books ever. Too many books. My, my argument, I don't know why I don't do it with movies. I'll rewatch movies all the time, but with books, my, my, my argument in my, to myself is there are so many other books I haven't read. Why would I waste my time rereading one? that's a pretty solid argument actually so many books out there