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Ep 42: Cale’s Expodump

Pinball Party Podcast·podcast_episode·54m 45s·analyzed·Oct 24, 2023
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TL;DR

Kale reports from Pinball Expo 2023: Labyrinth success, JJP Elton John backlash, Spooky GTF quality crisis.

Summary

Kale returns from Chicago Pinball Expo 2023 and discusses major game reveals: Labyrinth (Barrels of Fun) received strong praise for marketing, gameplay, and sold-out direct sales; Elton John (Jersey Jack) is criticized for expensive pricing ($12k-$15k) and niche appeal despite beautiful presentation; Galactic Tank Force (Spooky) faces serious quality issues including ball-tracking bugs and flipper problems with unresponsive manufacturer support; other expo debuts include Ninja Eclipse (Turner Pinball) and Elements. Pulp Fiction (Knapp Arcade) production begins shipping soon. Stern's year-end schedule and rumors about Metallica vaulting are discussed.

Key Claims

  • Labyrinth from Barrels of Fun sold out in direct sales with plans to build around 1,000 units total

    high confidence · Kale discussing Barrels of Fun sales at Expo, confirming soldout status of direct sales

  • Elton John is priced at $12,000 (standard) and $15,000 (CE) making it difficult for operators to recoup investment

    high confidence · Kale and Jason discussing Jersey Jack pricing and operator ROI concerns for Elton John

  • Galactic Tank Force has a critical ball-tracking bug where balls end up in the coin box and lose track in the trough

    high confidence · Rachel discovered and duplicated the bug; Kale describes it as a show-stopping issue affecting multiple machines

  • Barrels of Fun was initially secretive about Labyrinth but strong pre-expo marketing ('we have Labyrinth, it's working, multiple copies, bringing to Expo') drove ticket sales and hype

    high confidence · Kale crediting Barrels of Fun's marketing team for transparent pre-expo messaging that worked well

  • Jersey Jack flipper feel has improved significantly since Godfather, matching Stern quality more closely

    medium confidence · Kale and Jason comparing flipper feel across manufacturers; Jason notes Elton John flippers feel great, not like old Jersey Jack mush

  • Spooky and American Pinball have recurring flipper issues including mid-game flipper death and machine-gunning

    high confidence · Kale reporting multiple instances of flipper failures and erratic behavior on Spooky/American machines, confirmed by others

  • Pulp Fiction (Knapp Arcade) is entering production with first Gold Master rolling off line, shipping soon to operators

    high confidence · Kale citing Zach (Flip N Out Pinball owner) confirmation that Pulp Fiction is shipping soon; Electric Bat getting one of first off line

  • Spooky customer service on Galactic Tank Force was dismissive of ball-tracking and quality issues reported by operators at Expo

    high confidence · Kale describing David Fix response at Expo as uninterested and dismissive of balls ending up in coin box

Notable Quotes

  • “The only guys who have figured out flippers are the guys who have been in the business making machines the longest and that's Stern. Stern has this flipper feel that's way up here and then everybody else is kind of below it.”

    Kale @ early in Labyrinth discussion — Core technical assessment of flipper quality hierarchy across manufacturers

  • “They're open to feedback. I think...I'm in complete agreement with what you said. It came out during kind of the TPF time...it was so vague...but the best thing they did was like hey we have an awesome theme, it looks great, it's built, it's ready to go. That was like A+.”

    Jason @ Labyrinth marketing discussion — Praising Barrels of Fun's transparent pre-expo marketing strategy

  • “I'm an Elton John fan. But neither one of us want to roll the dice on this one for the simple fact that man they are they are expensive...It's hard for us to make our money back on a Jersey Jack.”

    Kale @ Elton John discussion — Operator perspective on JJP pricing making ROI impossible for arcade venues

  • “$12,000 for an Elton John pinball, damn it. It just sucks. I wish the price was lower...I don't think a $12,000 game, a license can't hold that price tag unless you give them the good stuff. Star Wars, Matrix, Lord of the Rings, Mario.”

    Jason @ Elton John licensing analysis — Critique of theme strength relative to price point; identifies marquee licenses needed to justify cost

  • “We have an issue where there's two different coils on the flipper mechs. And so one of them has a short bobbin...And we're like, we have this short bobbin, so it's just like rattling in there. And...the response was 'we don't know, you know it's nothing we did we order those flipper mechs fully assembled'...and then he was like 'I don't know even know what a bobbin is'”

    Kale @ Galactic Tank Force quality issues — Demonstrates manufacturer ignorance of basic flipper mechanics and dismissive customer service

  • “Do you realize that the balls are ending up in the coin box? And he's like, looks at us like, oh, no, that doesn't happen with our games.”

    Kale — Documents dismissive manufacturer response to documented critical bug

Entities

Kale HernandezpersonJasonpersonRachel BesspersonBarrels of FuncompanyLabyrinthgameBowen KerinspersonJohnny Crapperson

Signals

  • ?

    product_launch: Labyrinth from Barrels of Fun sold out direct sales channel; planned production run approximately 1,000 units

    high · Kale: 'they're actually like sold out now...they had like they're gonna build like a thousand or something like that the direct sales were [sold out]'

  • ?

    content_signal: Barrels of Fun's pre-expo marketing announcement ('we have Labyrinth, multiple copies, bringing to Expo') significantly drove hype and Expo attendance

    high · Kale: 'the best thing he did, him and his marketing team was let people know what's coming to Expo. Boom, we have Labyrinth. It's working...Doing this right before Expo really built up some hype'

  • ?

    product_concern: Galactic Tank Force has documented ball-tracking failure where balls end up in coin box and lose track in trough; bug duplicatable and affects multiple machines

    high · Kale: 'Rachel discovered a bug where the balls, it lose track of balls...She was able to duplicate it over and over again, it is something that can be fixed in software'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Negative sentiment shift toward Spooky Pinball support; dismissive response to operators' bug reports at Expo contrasts with positive American Pinball support on Hot Wheels

    high · Kale on David Fix: 'he seemed very like uninterested in the problems with the game and we were just like you know what fuck this...when we went to Expo, we're like, oh, we'll actually get to talk to these guys'

  • $

    market_signal: Jersey Jack Elton John ($12k-$15k) positioned as poor investment for operators; theme licensing insufficient to justify price relative to Stern earning potential

Transcript

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That's probably the lighting. Son of a bitch. All right, I'm gonna start this podcast. Kale's back. Hey, man. Pinball party. Hey, man. Just flew back in from Chicago. I don't know if you know I was at Expo. There was a big thing, a pinball to do. I've heard about this Expo. Do you like what I've done with the place, though? I know we're What's happening now, we're both back at, you know, reunions are in order and welcome and all that. I got this, the sign back here? Yep, says pinball. Yep, you have the microscope? Mm-hmm. That's nice. It's a new setting. Let's do, we're, we've matured since the last time everyone's heard us together. Yeah, we were changing things up for 2023. Yeah, you can't just do the same old, like, listen to us, we say swear words, and we make fun of stuff. No, no, we're more experienced. Yeah, so speaking of swear words, I met Johnny Crap finally. Mm-hmm. And? He's cool. He's yeah, he met him at the stern did a party at a place called microphones. It's a it's a miker like a like a person's name Mike or phone. and triggered the R张k chinese если The site, yeah, in Chicago or Schomburg, they gave everybody these sweet jean jackets. You'll see it. I don't know if I'll ever get a chance to wear it in Phoenix, but it's nice. Okay. Yeah, so met Johnny Crap. He was cool. He did some of the art on the new pinball machine, the Labyrinth from Barrels of Fun. I would like to talk about Labyrinth instead. Let's just talk about Labyrinth for a Transお願いします And Dave Vindicore. No offense to you and Rachel, I don't think he's the favorite guest we've had on Pinball Party, and to this day. I'm with you, I agree. He should just have his own. I want to hear more about punk rock records than anything else, but punk rock and Mortal Kombat. No offense to pinball, but that was great. I like the video stuff you guys are doing, it's awesome. More of this stuff out there. Thank you. But I miss you guys. Thanks for coming back. Well, yeah, I'm glad to be here. We missed you. Rachel wishes, is it called wishes? Wishes? Who cares? She could be on. She wishes she could be on, but she's still kind of recovering from all the traveling and hustle and bustle of airports and airplanes. And she just wanted to relax Typer Mechan prayed, Aunt, 你, 这个组, I say it might be a little bit more might be, you know, right at 100 if not, you know, five or so people above that because today is this the series finale this this this is where we find out who ends up in the top 24 and then the top 24 battle it out tomorrow, Wednesday, which Wednesday today is today is Tuesday, October 24. We're gonna we're gonna have a finals tomorrow. What's the first place? First place you win a ton of whopper points. Okay. And somewhere between 80 and 90 whopper points which is what everybody's going for really. And then you get a custom laser etched electric bat pinball. You win that. Yeah, it's a nice little glass case or That's actually pretty sweet. Plastic case. It looks like glass. It's clear and shiny. Sorry, I just got a message from on Discord from Ray Day as we speak. Rayday, for those who don't know, a famous pinball player and coder at Stern makes some awesome rules. I'll shout out Rush more than anything. But he just messaged me. I know you said it was on your never buy list, but I have a very nice turtles premium if you ever wanted to give that another go. Willing to give a good price if you want to make an offer, smiley face. And see, that's what I said. managers, All right. Let's talk about labyrinth. I didn't see it in person. I was in Door County a few hours north of you. I did consider, I'm like, maybe we should make a quick eight-hour round trip to see labyrinth, but that didn't happen. So you played it. I saw you post some videos. I think it was Rachel playing it. Maybe it was of you on Instagram, etc. What did you think? The Let's get into the look of it right now That's one thing I can actually see from afar right look very the artwork is is super cool and totally fits the theme and and it's I Mean it's right on I'm Johnny crap did some and then some other guy did the rest

  • Stern posted Nintendo Wii menu music on Instagram for Expo, which Kale interpreted as possible Easter egg or Nintendo licensing hint

    medium confidence · Kale noting Stern's Instagram post with Wii music and speculation about Nintendo IP connection; unsure of meaning

  • Jersey Jack source indicated they do not have Harry Potter license

    medium confidence · Kale reporting conversation with Jersey Jack employee who said 'I don't think we have that license' (source worked on Godfather)

    • @ Spooky Expo conversation

  • “Labyrinth did it right...brought functional games that are ready to go and for sale soon...And Labyrinth sold out. At least direct.”

    Jason @ Post-expo analysis — Contrasts Labyrinth's production readiness with other manufacturers' issues

  • “I love that they're doing just one model too. You want the game? This is it. You don't have to think about it.”

    Jason @ Labyrinth product strategy — Appreciation for Barrels of Fun's simplified SKU strategy (single model only)

  • “The glass and the rails which hold the glass, the whole top just comes off. You pop it...you reach underneath the game like you're opening the hood of your car and you pop this button and the whole thing pops off with like lights, with a stadium style lighting.”

    Kale @ Ninja Eclipse description — Notable design innovation for serviceability and presentation

  • “we even so when we went to Expo, we're like, oh, we'll actually get to talk to these guys...And he seemed very like uninterested in the problems with the game and we were just like you know what fuck this”

    Kale @ Spooky customer service discussion — Emotional pivot point showing operator frustration with manufacturer indifference

    • Stern Pinball
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    Jersey Jack Pinballcompany
    Elton Johngame
    Spooky Pinballcompany
    Galactic Tank Forcegame
    David Fixperson
    American Pinballcompany
    Turner Pinballcompany
    Ninja Eclipsegame
    Knapp Arcadecompany
    Pulp Fictiongame
    Zach Sharpeperson
    Ray Dayperson
    Pinball Party Podcastorganization
    Chicago Pinball Expo 2023event
    Electric Bat Arcadecompany
    Mark Pearsonperson
    Godfathergame

    high · Kale: 'Jersey Jacks are really expensive...It's hard for us to make our money back on a Jersey Jack. They just don't earn like Stern's do'

  • ?

    design_innovation: Ninja Eclipse (Turner Pinball) features innovative quick-release glass system with pop-off design and stadium lighting; entire top assembly removes like car hood

    high · Kale: 'the glass and the rails...the whole top just comes off. You pop it like...you reach underneath the game...and the whole thing pops off with lights, with a stadium style lighting'

  • ?

    product_launch: Pulp Fiction (Knapp Arcade) first Gold Master unit completed and rolling off production line; shipping soon to operators

    high · Kale citing Zack: 'First production Pulp Fiction Machine rolls off the line, so you guys should be...Yeah, that's kind of... You bought one a while ago...should be soon'

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Stern posted Nintendo Wii menu music on Instagram for Expo; Kale interprets as possible Easter egg or Nintendo licensing hint

    low · Kale: 'Stern posted something on Instagram...they used the Nintendo Wii menu music...I don't think that they would use it for no reason. Tell me what's going on.'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Community speculation about Nintendo-licensed Stern machine (possibly Mario or related); Stern's Wii music post fueling theories

    low · Kale: 'I don't think that Knowing Nintendo, Nintendo doesn't really fuck around...Does that extend to their menu music? I don't know. Would it maybe be, hey, Nintendo, what's up?'

  • ?

    product_concern: Spooky and American Pinball exhibit recurring flipper problems including mid-game flipper death, machine-gunning, and erratic behavior

    high · Kale: 'spooky has these weird flipper issues where in the middle of the game the flippers will die...the right flipper got full strength and then half straight start machine gunning'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Labyrinth positioned as production-ready and fully functional at Expo; contrasts with other new games having bugs requiring glass-off play

    high · Jason: 'Labyrinth did it right...brought functional games that are ready to go and for sale soon...other games like Elements had to have the glass off so you could grab the ball'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Barrels of Fun offering Labyrinth in single model configuration only; contrasts with Stern/JJP multi-tier approach

    high · Jason: 'I love that they're doing just one model too. You want the game? This is it. You don't have to think about it.'

    • 6:50
    But it all it it it's all very well put together. It doesn't feel disjointed even though A few artists worked on it. The only guys who have figured out flippers are the guys who have been in the business making machines the longest and that's Stern. Stern has this flipper feel that's way up here and then everybody else is kind of below it. So it has a spooky or American like flipper feel. It's got a little lag. But it doesn't take away from the game, you know, just know that going into it.
    8:03
    When you say American pinball spooky and you said lag and I agree, it's like those both have about the same power as a stern. But yeah, this is like slight disconnect where like old school Jersey Jack was like, this is kind of just mush. Right. No matter what. And they've fixed that, they've improved that. Jersey Jack. Oh, and we're going to talk about the best theme pinball of all time. I'll get to that later. So, would you say to make it Labyrinth even more impressive would be like what give it another 10% flipper feel 25% how far off is it? Yeah, well, I mean, it's it's just like just like spooky or American if you've played one of those games, you know how the flippers feel and it's this is similar to that. You know, I'm not saying it makes a bad game. But that's just where you know, when you go into it. The You know you're gonna get that feel you can still hit all the shots And the shots are cool. The the animations are great
    9:06
    The the rules are and I think Bowen had a lot to do with it. There's a lot of comedy in it You know when you you hit this one wrong shot You know you if you you're in this and I can't remember what what mode what the mode was called The game was called, but our friend Mark was playing with us. It was me, Rachel, and Mark Pearson. He got into it, accidentally hit this green shot that he wasn't supposed to hit, and so the rest of the game he's farting. Perfect. It was great. In real life he was farting. That's what... Well, he may have been. I don't know. But in the game, his character in the game, his score was green and he saw this fumes coming off of it for the whole rest of his game. The game was really yeah, so it was hilarious and Bowen was like laughing and so it wasn't a glitch. It was like oh, that's a thing Yeah, that's a thing. Yeah, so
    10:01
    Yeah, it was funny great great game Well everybody was asking if we were gonna get one and No, not not yet I think they're actually like sold out now They had like they're gonna build like a thousand or something like that the direct sales were I'm not Congratulations. This was really built by a great team. Rachel and I just didn't want to, you know, spend over 10 grand on like, kind of roll the dice. We you know, we've been burned in the past. And we weren't ready to roll the dice on a new company. But these guys, we talked to David Van Es. And man, what was really cool he was zabank knee security sa п mmaries wpinne dessus sisaboo Only if How baby No Why Do I kind of let
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    Sh666 I with God Honey at Mar or Gin Days Books with My I'm a little fatigued with it, right? Sure. They weren't showing us anything. Oh, and it felt kind of deep root-esque, right? But then I told him the best thing he did, him and his marketing team was let people know what's coming to Expo. Boom, we have Labyrinth. It's working. We have multiple copies and we're bringing them to Expo. Doing this right before Expo really built up some hype and I'm so glad they did that. Instead We're going to have a labyrinth game to play and probably sold some more expo tickets. I mean, the, the lines to play this game was insane. I think there were four on the expo floor and then later they brought some out upstairs for a pizza party. And they bought pizza for, they must have spent like 10 grand on pizza. I'm not kidding. Good call. Yeah. Okay, so you were gonna give your opinion on the marketing. I'm happy they're open to feedback. I think, well, I guess in the end, I'm in complete agreement with what you said. It was because it came out during kind of the TPF time when there was like that ninja eclipse. And there was a lot, you know, it fell to me personally in that category of like, is this just gonna be some more trash or whatever? And it was I was so vague and I was kind of like I don't have time for this. It's not like I literally don't have time but I don't know it just kind of came across as kitschy or kind of especially at the end where the best thing they did was like hey we have an awesome theme, it looks great, it's built, it's ready to go. That was like A+. I think the first stuff just wasn't needed. If it was a little more clear of what it was going to be unless it was an NDA thing or anything licensing like if there was a hint like oh no this is, this is, N Out Pinball, shotsilingual Franchi【praneucello, Pneumonymous 25 manos d sociologyownedtain hole of the CyberD engineer Dennis Elsa Same thing over and over I don really get much from it I not going to play the guessing game whatever you know but in the end the important thing I think it water under the bridge It doesn even matter You know the game reveal seemed great Was there any did you see much downtime buggy stuff anything busted you know not to paint negative light but everything I hear is just like man it just a home run I didn't they were every time we walked by they were working damn yeah that's yeah very impressive the whole the company actually wanting input is really refreshing best Zach even mentioned it on the latest his part the pinball show is that what it's called the pinball show it's the pinball show correct yeah he even mentioned that and and I was like whoa so it wasn't just us Le goal of this interview by Horny worth of tactical Cross Compl någonting IX weeks На The Game, it's different than like I'll use myself for example. The Neon Dale or Pinball Party like whatever if I have someone's opinion Hey, would you know what did you think of you know? I've had people say oh swear less do this less or have less distortion in some of your music. Right, right. Yeah, nah You know it's more of an artistic thing. They're not asking like oh, did you like that the taupe we used in?
    15:18
    Labyrinth, I mean they could but the fact of like hey, you know we're confident in the product but we want to make sure that like the message is getting out there of what we're doing and you can I think that's great in the key like okay it if we were promoting the electric backcast the pinball party podcast and all I did was put a bunch of dicks on instagram snow like just like guess what podcast is coming up as a big dick yet people like I mean nice and it's cool but after while I'd like this dick gets me nothing you know yeah I like what you think my market like I can't connect you know the dots are the dick so yeah but they're open to it and especially on the first game yeah they came out with this ego which I sometimes see in some of this like you just right I wanted there was no there was no ego we and we talked to uh multiple people in the company and man they were just very excited about it it really they are like living up to the name of it barrels of fun they were they had great attitudes you know they weren't um you know snarky like some you know we we talked to some other people Kingsley Dar sean and Jerry Fальном and Patrick Williams in Autovaar Fold personnes end game test of 6-8 The game was kind of always pretty rock solid and good from my experience aside from some code whatever but it was like Big Lebowski came out like wow that's impressive as hell yeah this seems to have the same thing if they can just keep the momentum going and be on like more than anything I'm glad they're open just be honest if there's delays say it don't wait don't don't pull a CGC and just go silent don't do that. The Dutch pinball guys, right? Yeah, man. Those guys are balling Do we when we're all leaving the hotel? Man, they had the craziest looking limousine. Yeah, it's like with like gullwing doors and all that shit Yeah, man, they look so cool. They should have had a DeLorean right? There's a stretch DeLorean, right? Yeah, man, this guy's
    17:59
    We didn't play Lebowski there. It was there I think Cointaker had it in their booth, but I've played it before. I have a couple of friends that have them. Fun game.
    18:10
    Before I forget, because I want to keep going down this Pinball Expo, rabbit hole, rat hole, TM, as you would say, is Stern posted something on Instagram. I think it was just kind of like, hey, Expo, what's up? They used the Nintendo Wii menu music.
    18:32
    Really? and I commented cuz people like oh it's Mario like that's not Mario it's it's the we I commented on Instagram I commented as the pinball party moniker I said oh that's the we music what and they it's the only time they've ever given a post I've had a thumbs up not like I'm religiously stalking Stern oh my god they just happened to be like oh yeah yeah what is this what does this mean Jason is this an Easter Egg I don't think that Knowing Nintendo, Nintendo doesn't really fuck around when it comes to their IP. You know, they're very much like the protective because they're, you know, almost like the Disney of video games, right? Does that extend to their menu music? I don't know. Would it maybe be, hey, Nintendo, what's up? We love you. You know, we want to make a Mario game or make a Zelda just make a Super Nintendo game. Oh, man. I don't know. I don't know what it means, but I don't think that they would use it for no reason.
    19:40
    Tell me what's going on. I Don't know. I wish this was part of our hey Well, we're gonna name three things and one of them is true and the one that's true has something to do with a Nintendo licensed Stern machine. I don't know anything. I've just I've heard the same rumors I guess everybody else has. About the little ball? Little balls? Something like a little red and white ball Mark Knerz 06 empleo I was about to go into something else. What I thought was weird, I asked a friend of mine who works at Jersey Jack, like, what's up with Harry Potter? And they said, as far as I know, they said, I don't think we have that license. How much of a smirk did he have when he said it? 0 well in this person I know worked on Godfather and I'm trying not to give too much away I don't want to get any money trouble but and his name rhymes with Mac Jack anyway but and I was like really I thought you know didn't so Joe fill me and I don't really keep up too much with the news but so Joe kamakau said like We have a very cool y而已ujdyud The twins Bai Juice. Twity D Ja Whant Paw K Ho We ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Emer I Am a L Much Very I haven't heard anything about it. From a pinball enthusiast's opinion from afar, I would say y'all should get a good license soon because nothing against Elton John. Is this the segway into Elton John? Subtitles by the Amara.org community It is the most fabulous pinball machine I've ever seen in my life. It has like glitter everywhere. I think it's like glitter in the clear coat. I mean it is and this is the the CE we played the CE. Okay, it has the topper has two screens in it two monitors. Wow, it's showing like concert footage. I didn't notice that. Holy crap. This thing is is really really it looks beautiful. All the artwork. I mean, it has a little animatronic Elton John, Elton jamming out. It's got a crocodile. And it's fun. It's super, super fun. Everybody I talked to, even industry people were loving playing this thing. It feels like a stern at this point? It does not feel like a stern. Oh, no. It feels like a Jersey Jack. No, but the flippers feel great. I mean, it's like, you know, you have stern and then since Godfather, like Jersey Jack, escases Audio Music animator The right there was was spooky in American, okay, so still below just yeah, I didn't play it enough
    23:48
    American you know what we'll get into galactic Tang force we have a galactic Tang force and we'll get into that laborer. Okay. Yeah. Yeah Tell me about it, man yeah, I've got some stories about that thing, but uh
    24:00
    Okay, so Yeah Elton John's cool, but I agree. I can't wait to see how many they sell cuz The It is a hard set Rachel is not an Elton John fan. I'm an Elton John fan
    24:17
    But neither one of us want to roll the dice on this one for the simple fact that man they are they are
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    expensive the Jersey Jacks are really expensive mm-hmm, and It's hard for us to make our money back On a Jersey Jack. They just don't earn like Stern's do so So, right, it's hard for you to earn your money back as one of the top pinball arcades on the planet, literally. Knowing the secondary market as I do and a lot of us who are listening do, it is near impossible to not lose money on buying, especially Godfather or the last few JJPs, especially this. So consumers would lose money instantly. You guys would most likely, you know, it's a roll of the dice, but probably lose money. That's what I mean I don't know who their audience is for this $12,000 machine with this license. If this came out, it could be the identical layout. I love Steve Ritchie games. If this license was like Sonic the Hedgehog, it would sell amazing. If it was Matrix, if it was Pokemon, if it was even in the top 50% of like, hey, that's a theme I'd play. If it was Blade Runner, Matrix, fuck, man. No question. Transluenced incomprens Лноменс Йëсirtyзъруkersъ;; equalsan, FugVyYунジ accepting Посiche С cuk crafting 복Adםсъ Nagс з�로burв итоге 對啊 ch��� knittingкctiveЛ trader DM Ig be bэзيнсso änъاовы-ъя Montana'seiий ф Mercuryдъ Freeze i calcium y doublingnъянья™зы'яξъя الن究必ж learntъ corporations alien まذاєєлєє Sheriffenə hatsngæwksäd Pluto I don't know if they can, man. This thing is loaded, dude. But yeah, I feel you on that. When I played it and I was like, man, this is beautiful. And I did play the CE. So that's like what? The $15,000 version? My God. Yeah. And man, it looks like a $15,000 pinball machine. Yeah. But the same thing. I was like, man, this is for old dudes to have in their game room. Old, old rich dudes, right? I don't. And of course, they're going to be on the street somewhere. But but to this For those of us rushing triggers, rewrap orchestral text relationship cloneуют Know can Yeah. And that's a good game. I like Godfather. It's great. We've had good luck with it. No show stopping issues. It's operating. It weird to think of their last three titles the best theme was Toy Story 4 And when it kind of got announced everyone like oh my god this is the worst theme But I think you know Godfather again it nothing against the game as you said but it's just, this isn't, I mean, I don't think a $12,000 game, a license can't hold that price tag unless you give them the good stuff. Star Wars, Matrix, Lord of the Rings, Mario. John Wick. I don't even know if John Wick could carry that. I don't think. Maybe Fast and, nah, I mean I hate Fast and Furious, I've never seen any of them, but I don't know. $12,000 for an Elton John pinball, damn it. It just sucks. I wish the price was lower. Yeah. I hope you get a chance to flip it, because it's fun. I don't know where I would. I'd have to drive a couple hours. And again, I'm not going to drive a couple hours for that game. Replace the theme, sure. If you come out here, we'll play it. Our friends at Game Room Goodies will set it up incident nodes from there are 99% correct Nadia Anderson훈 describes NO encounter Just last week we discovered that it doesn't count as your trophy in the end side, we should meet them every one tomorrow to fight and to unite the topم We are not done yet. This is not yet a hobby you can do. The prize money we need is 10% your hat. We don't really need it for the stream of 51 minutes, so don't们askedyezenieen我就ensa almost said that about 70% of your under tighten thermal is over. uros nailed choreography, So, Godfather... Godfather... Jersey Jacks... Elton John... We played Elton. We played the Labyrinth. And all these were great. Yeah. You know, all these were great. So there was another new game. What was that called? Ninja Eclipse by Turner Pinball. Do you know anything about this? All I've heard is subpar. Okay, so this is Let's be positive about this. We're trying it's it's so cool that there are so many
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    Offering a consultation with some team members out of the movie's, I think of like a rerun channel. For sure, for sure. I guess the only other new game was the uh, the the Punny Factory and then the new, what was it, what was their new game? I don't know. I don't even know. Right, can we move past it? Does it matter? Elements. Elements. Oh, the mirrors. Yeah. Does it matter? Uh, no. Punny Factory was cut, we flipped Punny Factory, we didn't flip Elements, because it always had a, it always Man, is that a problem? They actually had to have the glass off of it, so you could grab the ball and move it. Cool. Yeah, so the whole time the glass was off, so you could actually play the game. So, anyway, we don't need to get into- So, moral of the story, Labyrinth did it right. Well, and of course, so did Stern and JGP by bringing functional games that are ready to go and for sale soon and- And Labyrinth sold out. At least direct. Direct, yeah. Awesome. Way to go guys. Congratulations. Yeah, that's fantastic. I have itchy trigger fingers for that game. I'm just a text away of... I love that they're doing just one model too. Yes. You want the game? This is it. You don't have to think about it. That's it. Right. Man, way to go. Who knows? It could be a year from now and be like, that game is terrible. Yeah. I don't know. I bet it'll be great. Speaking of terrible, Galactic Tank Force. Jей One medicine of receiver Andy Brody Hendon Cause Mines ​ The Spooky style uh Yeah, we we kind of feel like we've been burned kind of like with uh, what's spooky in the past
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    What When I don't know what happened at that company so we we had a Hot Wheels Yeah, I love the hot NFL game Yeah, right. He's loaned it to a hotel for like six months or something. Yeah for an NFL player We made our money back on it and then we ended up trading it for no fear with a little money attached to that which was a good trade. But that man, Hot Wheels was a solid game and the American Pinball customer service, we did have a problem with it when it first dropped and there's a magnet on the orbit that holds the ball and the software would give it a little too much juice and just short out that coil. These images are available in Braille, Chinese, B sausage Subtitles are available in English, FB T proteg promo code overlook or western Russian is an лес Hudson™
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    A complete opposite which galactic tank force umm I mean, we have an issue where there's two different coils on the flipper mechs. And so one of them has a short bobbin. The bobbin is the spool, the plastic spool that all the wires wrapped around. Yeah. And we're like, we have this short bobbin, so it's just like rattling in there. And I would have to put like a stack of like spring washers to even secure it to where it's not rattling. and you know the response was uh we don't you know it's nothing we did we we order those flipper mechs fully assembled and i was like and then he was like he's like i don't know even know what a bobbin is could you you know tell me more about it i'm like i mean these guys are building these they need to know what a bobbin is but anyway um yeah so and and there are other issues i mean an american I'm just like spooky has these weird flipper issues where in the middle of the game the flippers will die. I was I was playing that's happened to multiple people And I was I was playing one time and like the right flipper got full strength and then half straight start machine gunning and then full strength again
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    which I've seen with with you know spooky and American before That's fine, but I mean, there's just like show stopping issues where like you'll lock a ball and then it goes to the next person's game. Hmm, stuff like that. A ball will end up in a in a the the the saucer in the on the on the top right that pops it back up to the right flipper. And it was just the game will lose track. And that's, there's there's plenty talk about that. That's a game. That's a problem across all of the galactic Tan Ford Games, I have seen people inside talking about it. Then, Rachel discovered a bug where the balls, it lose track of balls and it is like a trough issue. She was able to duplicate it over and over again, it is something that can be fixed in software. She is trying to reach out the customer service and they are like they just not, You know, they need to be like these other games. I mean, other manufacturers. I really want to hear from the operators and get their opinion that they seem they seem like they really don't care. We even so when we went to Expo, we're like, oh, we'll actually get to talk to these guys. And we talked to David Fix. And we're like, do you realize that the balls are ending up in the coin box? And he's like, looks at us like, oh, no, that doesn't happen with our games. 1. Amazing picture of Keith
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    Could be too soon. Yeah, if they surprise us with something, I have a feeling they would surprise us with an Elwin game. Ooh. Because they want to get some holiday sales. The They got I mean a
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    Few one two three four punches from Jurassic Park to Venom to stranger things to Elvira kiss edition Mm-hmm. I mean do they need more say I guess if you announce a Elwyn game that stuff just sells man They have a big factory right now Running and not even at full capacity. They yeah, they need to move some machines man The last thing I wanted to talk about with you here is, is there any way that you can convince me that Venom is a good game? Yeah, I mean I can just tell you it is a good game and you have to trust me. I've played it. So you played it. You played the pro and the premium, right? No, just the pro. Okay, well and the pro's great. We finally got a chance to play the premium. We really like the pro. First of all, just as a player, man, it's fun. The shots are fun. And we've spent a lot of time with it. I don't think we've seen this much enthusiasm with our players about Venom. And it all has to do with the leveling. Oh, sure. Man, they will stop us and go, and that's what you know, this isn't from the player side. This is more from the operator side. This is what we like to hear like the enthusiasm about dropping more money in these machines and trying to beat it. They're all trying to beat, beat the game, collect the three different characters, Hulk, Captain America and Wolverine. Sure. Yeah, this is this is cool. The game aspect, the layout. Playinging it.What do you think? What was your feel? I like the theme and I was excited to play it. My first impressions weren't great. So I'm just like, it's one like I've played. Where did you play it? MGC? No, locally. It is set up fine. It's just my first impressions as like, I mean, it's just what it is, you know, first impressions are important for anything, any game. When it was over, the first time I played, I was like, that's enough. I didn't, you know, whatever. Nothing was really that intuitive. And that's coming from someone who pays attention to pinball, clearly, you know. Were you logged in? Yeah, I was. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I saw those numbers going up. I was like, Oh, that's cool. It's cool. But you know, the The shots weren't very... I mean, yeah, I hit the blinky shots. No, I didn't read anything ahead of time aside from what I read on the podcast for an extensive period. None of it got retained, but it wasn't that intuitive. The shots, none of them felt that great. And I didn't like above the slings to the left and right where sometimes there's like drop targets or stand up targets where the ball's kind of a lot of motion moving around. There's just, you know, some rubbers that just keep it bouncing everywhere, which is like, and she's a little out of control and not not that great but not as fast as I thought it would feel like because they're not the shots aren't close to the flipper so it's not like a black night we're like oh man it's just flying back at you so I waited a couple days went back and played it a couple more times as a guy I'll pay more attention to what's going on and play it and I don't know I just was like for me it was it wasn't like Some other games that come across like oh, I can't wait to play that again. I can't wait to dig into the rules The shots are great. It was fine. And maybe over time, it's in a position now where my opinion over time is going to go one of two ways. Like, okay, no, I was missing something and this thing is awesome. Or like, yeah, this is just kind of a pass for me. No, I feel that. I have a friend who has the same opinion. He was like, I just don't feel it. I feel like the shots are kind of dangerous and the ramps are too steep. And you're finding that you want to kind of like Black Knight, you want to backhand everything and be The Left Ramp, all I wanted to do was backhand the left ramp and it's such a clunky can't really do it not enough power right damn it
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    But no I feel you on that I think you just need a Little more time and I haven't played a premium I think the horseshoe ramp or the horseshoe shot on the pro is cool But it's not as fast as like Star Wars where it flies back jits Yeah, so I played the premium a lot because this was the first time I had a guy chance to play a premium and it's S Financier ED I'm not sure if you're familiar with the pinball game, but some of those perks he's talking about, I love persistent percs in pinball. Yes. More, I think, than anything, like the awards in Jurassic Park for completing paddocks, the Iron Maiden, the tomb Shot, what is the thing you collect them, right? I forget what they're called. Yeah, persistent awards and the shot he mentioned where you get permanent add-a-ball basically. Awesome. The Yes, yeah very very cool stuff coming for that and after we and like I talked about on the podcast after after his talk we went and played it cuz Man, we're doing so much, you know once an update comes out We're not we should be but we're not like reading the readme and then going in and playing this game See what we'll see what's so once he told us about all these updates I was like, oh man, we got to go play it and we we put the martini shots cool the the smart missiles I was like this smart missiles. I had no idea The game is getting really, really, really good. It needed a lot of code help once it was initially released. I think you even owned one for a little bit, right? No. mp3dew ASL approach으로 WPPR bilingual lang ש挑 setzen Innisch pitch The Right now we have to get ready for our big Tuesday pinball tournament. This is a season finale and then we are doing the the finale top 24 battle it out on Wednesday and
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