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S289: XENON Battle!

Don't Panic Flip·video·1h 46m·analyzed·May 29, 2020
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TL;DR

Xenon battle stream with TMNT discussion and JJP connectivity speculation.

Summary

Don't Panic Flip hosts a high-score battle between Flipstream (virtual pinball on VPX) and Pensomniac (real hardware) on classic Xenon (1980 Bally). The stream covers gameplay commentary, discussion of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles pinball reception, speculation about Jersey Jack's upcoming 'Jurassic Park innovation' (likely wireless connectivity), and banter about operator appeal vs. collector preferences. Both players struggle with the brutally difficult Xenon playfield, which forces loss of control after every shot.

Key Claims

  • Xenon (1980) was Bally's first table with a voice/sound card rather than just chimes

    high confidence · George (host) states this directly during gameplay commentary

  • Jersey Jack Pinball has been alpha/beta testing wireless connectivity through Buffalo Pinball

    medium confidence · George cites knowledge that Buffalo Pinball has been testing it; Eric Minear from JJP streamed with Buffalo Pinball earlier that day

  • The upcoming JJP 'Jurassic Park innovation' is expected to be more than just wireless connectivity—something bigger

    medium confidence · Zmbag references Eric Minear saying 'if you think Internet connectivity is big, just wait for this'; George and Flipstream speculate on implications

  • Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles appeals to nearly everyone except people over ~45 years old

    low confidence · George speculates based on his understanding that TMNT did not resonate with older demographics; Chrome Candy Pinball (age 47) mentioned on an earlier stream

  • X-Men spinning magnet causes significant playfield wear/damage similar to Batman '66

    medium confidence · Flipstream reports owning X-Men with the magnet and describes textural damage so severe you can cut fingers on it; expresses concern TMNT will have same issue

  • TMNT animation style looks like 'Paw Patrol' rather than authentic 1980s art

    medium confidence · Flipstream expresses frustration that animation shading is too modern versus the retro playfield art

  • Mario Bros and Street Fighter 2, despite not being 'great games,' often earn more on location than higher-quality titles due to familiarity

    medium confidence · George and Nick discuss operator economics; this is based on observed location earnings

  • Xenon multiball is typically not worth pursuing for high score because the spinner bonus increase (10→1000 pts) is minimal vs. hitting Special (50,000 pts)

    medium confidence · Nick (Pensomniac) explains strategy during gameplay

Notable Quotes

  • “This game hates people at a personal level. It is a really simple design but it is incredibly brutal.”

    George (host)@ 9:13 — Encapsulates the reputation of Xenon as deceptively difficult and unforgiving

  • “There's nothing like feeding a flipper. Your best shot feeds it to the top of the right swing that's going to either punt it down the left or bounce to the left swing and punt it down the right. Every single time you have control, you have to give control up.”

    George (host)@ 9:36 — Technical analysis of Xenon's core frustration: forced loss of ball control

  • “If you're not interested in the theme and the pin and what the game has to offer, you just don't buy it.”

    George (host)@ 26:53 — Reframes pricing/feature debates as consumer choice rather than manufacturer obligation

  • “It's the fact that they went with the retro 80's look as opposed to the horrendous looking newer movie style—I think it's fantastic.”

    Flipstream@ 16:28 — Positive framing of TMNT's design choice to use classic cartoon aesthetic

  • “I'm concerned we're going to kind of see some of that same stuff [playfield damage] with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. That circular pad...was rough. Texturally, I could cut my fingers rubbing across that.”

    Flipstream@ 17:13 — Quality/durability concern about spinning magnet feature based on X-Men experience

  • “It's going to be extremely operable in about two years when operators come back into play. You put that at any arcade and it's going to get played.”

Entities

GeorgepersonFlipstreampersonPensomniacpersonXenongameTeenage Mutant Ninja TurtlesgameJersey Jack PinballcompanyStern Pinballcompany

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Pinball feature/pricing differentiation debate: community questions whether higher-tier models justify premium pricing when baseline quality is strong

    low · George notes 'fine for Sam Stern to provide extra features for a price it something they couldn't quite fit in at the price point but now you can have it you don't want it don't buy it'

  • ?

    community_signal: Stream format (head-to-head battles, rule explanations, community chat participation) demonstrates ongoing community engagement and education

    high · Don't Panic Flip stream structure with detailed gameplay commentary, audience questions, and collaborative rule discussion

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: TMNT receiving mixed but largely positive reception (6-6.5/10 scores) despite some design reservations; strong appeal to broad demographics and operators

    high · Multiple chat participants and hosts discussing TMNT positively; George notes he ordered one; Nick values operator appeal

  • ?

    design_philosophy: TMNT animation style criticized as too modern/cartoony ('Paw Patrol-like') versus retro playfield art, creating visual disconnect

    medium · Flipstream: 'the shading is all wrong. It looks like a brand new animation versus bringing the same art that looks like the 80s'

  • $

    market_signal: Location operators favor familiar/casual-appeal games (Mario Bros, Street Fighter 2, likely TMNT) over deeper/more complex titles for revenue generation

    medium · George and Nick discuss operator economics; TMNT positioned as high-draw location game despite not being 'professional player's game'

Transcript

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0:00
🎵 Thank you. Hello! Hello, and welcome, guys. My name is George, and this stream is Don't Panic Flip. Thank you so much for hanging out. Tonight, we have, I think, a really fun battle lined up between Flipstream and the Pinsomniac. I think you guys are pretty familiar with both of those guys.
5:16
Flipstream right there in the chat, yo. We've got Fliptronic, MPT3K, StirFriedCrazy, Dice, Pinsomniac also in the chat. You guys, welcome. I think this should be super fun. These guys are going to duel it out on Xenon tonight. I think it's just going to be enjoyable. Very cool table. And Jedi McMuffin, right away, my hat's off to you. Thank you very much for that raid.
5:45
I don't know, that was the... thank you for calling that out. That was the haircut today, by the way, and I tried to get a shave. that failed miserably. We'll come back to it. That's the Tony Stark move. Yeah, it was either that or shave it all off, so I just now have to speak with an Irish accent for the rest of the night. You guys, flipping over here to show our two battlers in both the green and the blue corner.
6:18
You guys, up top, we've got Nick. I'm standing behind something. Nick, aka the Pinsomniac, he's going to be above me and off to the left, which is actually my right hand over here with the DMD, or I guess number, display, and playfield. And then down below, we've got Flipstream, aka Cavio, and off to, I guess, my left. Yeah, and just above me a little bit is the display and his playfield over there. You should see their two logos. That's relatively kind of where they are. Thank you. Yes, you guys are amazing and helping out. So, Nick, a.k.a. the Pinsomniac, how are you doing this evening?

Nick (Pensomniac)@ 17:46 — Articulates operator appeal vs. hardcore player appeal divide

  • “Internet connectivity is nice, but it really depends on what they're going to do with it...Are we talking DLC? Going the EA route?”

    Flipstream@ 22:11 — Identifies monetization concern around the rumored connectivity feature

  • “If Eric said that Internet connectivity is big, just wait for this—you nailed it.”

    Chat user (Zmbag, referencing Eric Minear comment)@ 22:48 — Hints that the upcoming JJP feature is significantly bigger than just wireless connectivity

  • “What's cool about the high-techness of this table is it was Bally's first table that had a voice, like a sound card versus back in the day, it just had good old chimes.”

    George (host)@ 29:13 — Positions Xenon as historically significant in arcade sound evolution

  • “When I get a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, it's going to be disgusting in this stream. It's going to be references to all of the original movie, all the sounds and everything.”

    George (host)@ 33:45 — Humorous enthusiasm but also signals strong brand affinity will drive TMNT gameplay content

    • Buffalo Pinball
    organization
    Paul Ferrisperson
    Eric Minearperson
    Nazperson
    Chrome Candy Pinballperson
    X-Mengame
    Batman '66game
    Don't Panic Fliporganization
    Gorgargame
  • ?

    community_signal: VPX virtual pinball implementation includes attention to physics detail (ball texture, spin rotation) and customizable visual features (lighting, alternate graphics)

    high · Flipstream explains VPX setup: 'alternate graphics on the pinball, just again to try and show that there's some actual rotation going on here'; no mods, just physics and lighting changes

  • ?

    announcement: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles pinball confirmed shipping with retro 1980s cartoon aesthetic, upper flipper loop, and spinning magnet mechanic

    high · Multiple participants confirm owning or ordering TMNT; detailed gameplay and design discussion

  • ?

    product_concern: Spinning magnet on TMNT may cause significant playfield wear/damage similar to X-Men, raising durability concerns

    medium · Flipstream reports X-Men magnet damage severe enough to cut fingers; expresses concern about TMNT experiencing same issue

  • ?

    product_strategy: JJP's upcoming 'Jurassic Park innovation' described as being bigger/more significant than just internet connectivity, hinting at additional feature

    medium · Zmbag references Eric Minear: 'if you think Internet connectivity is big, just wait for this.' Speculation includes DLC model, dueling functionality, or global leaderboards

  • ?

    technology_signal: Jersey Jack Pinball developing wireless/internet connectivity feature for home and location pinball machines; Buffalo Pinball alpha/beta testing

    medium · George: 'To me, that has to be wireless connectivity, which they've been talking about, which Buffalo Pinball has been alpha or beta testing for a while now'

    • 7:08
    Good day. We have some technical issues. It would help if I unmuted you guys. Let's try that one more time.
    7:16
    Nick, how are you doing this evening? I'm doing great now. Before, I was good, but now I'm much, much better. We had some technical issues, like George doesn't know how to unmute people and all that, but I had some tech issues myself, but we're here now, and I think we're just going to have a good time on this kind of shallow game compared to some of our other duels. And Flipstream, how are you doing? What's the weather like where you're from? What are you wearing?
    7:49
    Well, let's see. in order. Well, okay, well, not in order. I'm actually doing pretty good. Kind of scared a little crapless here that I'm about to get my butt handed to me on but that's okay. We're here to have fun anyways.
    8:01
    Let's see. Weather-wise, it's actually pretty warm today, Central Oregon, about in the 80s, so it is dropping nicely though, so it'll be a good evening. And as far as the last question, I'm repping the host here. I didn't even think of that.
    8:21
    Awesome. Perfect. And that's mostly because I don't have my own shirt yet. You got a little brown on your nose there. I caught you on the same side. Awesome.
    8:34
    It's the beer. Okay, get those frowny points, Mr. Fred Crazy. Awesome. You guys, it took a while tonight to get here. Let's have some fun. Let's just throw down on a standard high score game, three balls. Let's see what you guys can do. and I will attempt to commentate and if there's anything else you guys want to throw out about the game feel free to say so. And chat, if you have any questions about this game feel free to throw it out.
    9:03
    And they don't need to throw it out, like get rid of it. Oh, well, alright. There goes that plan. Plan B, this game hates people at a personal level. It is a really simple design but it is incredibly brutal. Okay.
    9:23
    The worst part is every single time you have control on this table, you have to give control up. There's nothing like feeding a flipper. There's nothing like that. Your best shot, which is your tube shot, feeds it to the top of the right swing that's going to either punt it down the left or bounce to the left swing and punt it down the right. Okay. You're going to see it as it comes back. It plays brutal. Let's get things going. I'm going to count down, and standard lethal weapon rules are in place. It's 3, 2, 1, then go, right, as opposed to 3, 2, and go on 1. Okay, so. If we're on high score, do we really need a countdown?
    10:02
    You said go twice already. Brian, what did you say? I said if we're playing high score, we really technically don't need the countdown. No, no, you're right. We don't need the countdown, but I'm going to do it anyways. 3, 2, 1, go.
    10:14
    Oh. I know. That's the third time you said go. Big text. ZMAC, welcome to the stream. I think I saw a drain near instantaneously from Brian. Yeah. Pretty much. Okay, cool. We've got a tube shot on the left from Nick right away, a little bit of nudging, and hits that left out lane with precision. Looked excellent. And, yes, ZMAC, this is virtual on the right, real on the left. Nick, a.k.a. The Pensomniac, is playing real. And Brian, a.k.a. Flipstream, is playing virtual on the right. And, okay, a lot of dead flips here. Loving it, loving it.
    10:57
    Brian, obviously, going for the strategy of hitting it up top and get it into that little saucer. Which, Nick, don't you have a phrase for hitting the saucer? Isn't it getting saucy? Yeah, getting saucy. So Brian Kitten Saucy, Nick, on the other hand, is just, like, wildly in control. Is that a thing?
    11:23
    Also, Quiltronic immediately asked, is that a Powerball, which was my first question. That is not a Powerball. Is that correct, Brian? It is not. So it is a metal ball. You can change the graphics being a virtual table. I was attempting to try and get something with a little bit more texture, just so you could see that it's not just a floating ball. There's some texture. You can see spin and rotation on it because it is actually emulated. But it did come out looking a little Powerball-ish. Now, NGQP.
    11:58
    NGQP, that is interesting. Those are the three letters in the alphabet that have little hanging characters below them. That's actually really hard to differentiate as I tried to say that. I really like that last name. It was so difficult to read. It was wonderful. Thank you for that, A. And B, hasn't seen any nudging on the virtual. Brian, do you have the capability to nudge? I do. Okay. So I can control that through the left analog, so I'm playing controller here. Okay.
    12:26
    I do have that capability. However, I turn off the screen shake. So usually when you're playing virtual and you're doing some sort of a nudge, you'll get the table shake on the image, but that's turned off mostly because it looks terrible. Okay. Good to know. now how many hacks and or mods are you running Brian on this do you have something that makes the middle post a little bit bouncier than normal what else might we be experiencing as an audience right now that Nick shouldn't know about don't worry I have his audio muted he can't hear your response I'm sure that's the case but no we're actually playing with Jim I have just a straight table of physics. No funny business going on. The only thing I've done is change the lighting, because the last time we tried this on Insomnia Extreme, it was commented that my table was a little dark, so we went to change that. And I have some alternate graphics on the pinball, just again to try and show that there's some actual rotation going on here. Okay. And Dice says, check the virtual pin, it's corked.
    13:35
    I think he just was also agreeing that there's probably something. If we know Flipstream, a.k.a. Caviel, a.k.a. Brian well, it's that he seems like the kind of person who might do that.
    13:50
    I could see where you would see that, but no. There's no trickery going on here. If we want to call a judge over, we can look at the virtual PNX settings if you want. No, no, no, no, no, no, okay. We're fine. Brian actually did go through all of the dip switch settings I think with Nick beforehand. Now, am I correct in assuming that was ball three for you Brian? It was so I have a pretty terrible ball one 123,000 to 32,700 Oh wait, there's a missing number over on Nick's So by the way, the missing number we're going to always assume is a zero. But in this case it doesn't come into play. Nick has the first one I'm going to go ahead and give that to Mr. P. Mr. P, who for whatever reason I can't click on that anymore. It's cool. You've got one. P has one and FS has zero. Guys, what do you think so far?
    14:53
    I'm going to catch up on chat. Which play field butt is better? Ask Sliptronic. That's an interesting... obviously the real one that's funny you guys both pointed to yourselves on that one I think it's kind of funny also what I struggle with is I took lots of really good pictures the last time I was over at Nick's house of this play field and a whole bunch of fun blurry shots with things being out of focus and a couple of really good ones of the play field where there was a little less wear on Nick's play field and they came out beautiful I can't do anything with them because there are seemingly naked butts and breasts all over this playfield. It's funny.
    15:41
    I don't know what you're talking about at all. MPT3K thinks that Flipstream's playfield is easier. He put Fliptronics, but I think he meant Flipstream's.
    15:51
    I don't know how it works. Dice says always assume it's a 9 and Big Text wants to know how everyone is feeling about TMNT before we get into the second battle you know what we haven't even chatted about it what do you guys think of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles I the only reason I'm not buying one is cause I don't have money okay Fliptronic thinks it's 6 out of 10 Flipstream what do you think I'd actually have to agree with Fliptronic it's the fact that they went with the retro 80's look as opposed to the horrendous looking newer movie style I think it's fantastic I like the layout I like some of the stuff they're doing I like the upper flipper loop I kind of like that Star Trek-ish shot behind the upper left flipper the left flipper getting up there yeah for that little training mode I think Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not a fan of the spinning magnet.
    16:54
    Oh, the X-Men-style spinning magnet? Yeah, I just, no. I mean, maybe part of that is the way Stern's playfields have been lately.
    17:05
    You know, owning a Batman 66, I have a playfield protector over the entire playfield surface because I've seen what kind of damage that magnet gets, and I'm concerned we're going to kind of see some of that same stuff with Turtles. That's really interesting. because I had an X-Men, and that circular pad on my X-Men LE, which was both a magnet and it spun the exact same way it does for Turtles, was rough. And I mean, like, texturally, I could cut my fingers rubbing my fingers across that. So that seems like a worthy concern.
    17:42
    For me, the allure of it is everything you guys have talked about, plus the fact that it's going to be extremely operable in about two years when operators come back into play in the pinball world.
    17:58
    For me, you put that at any arcade and it's going to get played. It's not going to necessarily be the professional pinball player's game. It is going to be something that is going to attract people to pinball. Yeah, that's a really good point. It probably has a similar draw to old school. Mario Brothers is maybe overshooting it. But it's funny that something like Mario Brothers or even Street Fighter 2, both of those not being great games, often when they're on location, earn more than everything else.
    18:34
    And it's just a familiarity. A word I can't say right now. I'm only one beer in. That's really surprising.
    18:42
    Yeah, exactly. Just can't enunciate at all right now. And, yeah, both of those games earn more. I wonder if Turtles is also going to be similar. I was listening in on a conversation earlier today. I don't remember who was streaming, but they were chatting about whether or not Turtles was universally, it appeals to everyone. And I think it only doesn't appeal to people over the age of maybe like 45. Whatever that... I'm 37, and I... I don't know. I'm guessing as to what that is. Oh, I was on Chrome Candy Pinball's stream earlier today, and I think he mentioned he was 47 and just missed out. He was a little bit too old for Turtles at the time when it came out and just didn't get into it. And whatever that age is, I would argue everything else going forward probably can relate in some way to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. I think they're... go ahead.
    19:43
    So I said this last night, but I really am a little frustrated at how they went with the animation style. That it looks like Paw Patrol, but it's turtles.
    19:58
    Like, the shading is all wrong. It looks like a brand new animation versus bringing the same art that looks like the 80s turtles into that same animation. That was like my number one issue with it. There's a disconnect between the art on the play field, which seems very retro and OG, versus the animations in the LCD, which I think what you're saying look a little too new. Is that kind of a quick summary? Right.
    20:32
    Yeah, and to switch gears a little bit, I'm going to go back to what ZMAC was saying, and let's chat about what we think about the whole JP innovation thing and what that might be. I totally lost chat. I've been so into this conversation.
    20:49
    Yeah, so really quick, I guess, queuing up on that, the JP innovation, which I don't know when the announcement is going to come through. To me, that has to be wireless connectivity, which they've been talking about, which Buffalo Pinball has been alpha. Okay, yeah, Fliptronics has internet connectivity as well. But Buffalo Pinball has been alpha and or beta testing it for a while now. Buffalo Pinball also streamed, I think, an hour or two ago with Jersey Jack Pinball, specifically Eric Minear. So, yeah, I'm guessing it makes sense for that to be internet connectivity just based on the knowledge we have. Do you guys have other thoughts about that, though?
    21:31
    I'm curious to see if they do launch like their own digital pinball right now since everyone's kind of still,
    21:44
    you just can't go out and play the games. But I'm also curious if they're going to add like dueling into the whole internet connectivity thing with the whole ISTA announcing duels and stuff like that. they have the ability, because they have webcams, that you could have proof that you're actually playing the table and not just flipping it. What do you think?
    22:08
    Honestly, I think it's a little too soon to call. Sure, Internet connectivity is nice, but it really depends on what they're going to do with it. And I think we even talked about this in the past. We're talking DLC, okay? Are we going to have a partially released table, and then we have to buy DLC to get the rest of the content, kind of going the EA route, so to speak? Is it going to be something more simple, like Arcade 1-Up is doing the NBA Jam connectivity where you can play online or you can get updates? Is it going to be something more along those lines where you have global scores or a little bit of a lighter touch? Zmbag, I think, just ran exactly with what you said. He said, in the stream today, Eric said that if you think Internet connectivity is big, just wait for this. So I think you nailed it on the head, Flipstream. Yeah, and I think the big benefit for Internet connectivity from a dueling perspective, like head-to-head, isn't really going to be with operators. And I think that's where the majority of, you know, JGP or Stern and name-your-favorite manufacturers' money is coming from, not for the home user or the streamers like all of us.
    23:16
    You know, for that Internet connectivity for things like this, that's fantastic, especially if you can have, imagine TNA, but you can actually do the co-op game remotely. Well, right now we can play, but not in the same thing. And we know TNT has that same functionality, that it's got that cooperative aspect to it. But, again, you have to be there at the physical table.
    23:40
    Operators, unless the location sets up kind of a special thing, you're not just going to randomly play with someone across the country, or what are you going to do, wait until they're done with their game, and if you've got someone that's really good versus someone that's really bad. I just see it being really problematic as far as how that's going to work if it's not something that's kind of pre-orchestrated. So I could see some possibilities there, but I think at this point we really just have to wait and see what they're planning and kind of go from there. It's certainly not a bad thing. I just don't know if it's going to be something that's going to sell more tables than the table itself. Right, right. Okay. Oh, go ahead.
    24:19
    Also, Z-Max says, really feels like TMNT was meant to be the first online connectivity game. And if that's going to be an online connectivity game, I want to be able to order a pizza through the game. Mash button for pizza. Oh, my God. Just mix that right in there to Domino's? 30 minutes or it's free, man.
    24:37
    Right. Just. Or it just cooks it itself and then spits it out for you. Yes. Do we have a new challenge? You get the first person to start multiball. You get three balls to attempt it.
    24:53
    And if neither of you guys get there, we'll play it again afterwards. All right, we're going to do the countdown. It's going to be very slow. I'm just going to get you there. I will lead you right into the start of it. I'm not going to rush it this time, okay? Okay.
    25:08
    Five, four, three, two, one, go. Awesome. Big text. Thank you very much for changing that color. Also, wonderful drains, both of you guys, right off the bat. That's great. You are even right now. Wonderfully even.
    25:32
    I mentioned on my stream earlier, where is my Gen 1 Transformers table? Jedi McMuffin. I feel like somebody commented online. Nick, did you just drain again?
    25:44
    Holy cow. Okay, cool. Yeah, straight down the middle. Yeah, that was the write-up. at a weird, funny angle for Flipstream as well.
    25:52
    Pick a name. Who was that that mentioned that Transformers, like, OG-style comic? Oh, number three, Caviel is out. I mean, Flip... Oh, my God. That's going to keep happening? I'm so sorry.
    26:10
    But, yes, I'm also waiting for a redo of Transformers using original artwork, comic artwork, I think that would be great. Not that that table was great, I'm assuming they would somehow fix it in some way. But yeah, it's another Gomez pin, so I feel like if it's not broken, I would probably fall in love with it. And I think it hold on I think it fine for Stern to provide extra features for a price It something they couldn quite fit in at the price point but now you can have it You don want it Don't buy it. Yeah, yeah. ZMAC, I feel like a reminder that a lot of people need to have is that if you're not interested in the theme and the pen and what the game has to offer, you just, yeah, just don't buy it.
    27:01
    And the virtual game got skewed. says, oh, like skewered. And no, Fliptronic, it's not frozen. It's Nazirator coming in with a host. Naz, thank you very much. Tonight is an interesting duel. Yeah, Fliptronic, he, Flipstream just, he three-drained it very, very quickly. And at this point, Nick hasn't won unless he can actually start multiball.
    27:33
    get saucy then, right? Two sauces away. Naz, thank you so much. Yeah. I hope you had a wonderful stream. Thank you very much for that, host. And if you're just joining us from Naz, A, everybody that's here, Nazirator, she's my cousin, amazing streamer, helped kind of get me into Twitch back in the day. Lots of great advice. She's amazing. Give her a follow if you haven't done so already. And on the flip side, if you're just joining us from Naz, This is Pinball, specifically a really old game called Xenon from an artist called Paul Ferris. It's unique and maybe a tad outdated with regards to the art. Don't look too closely at that play field. But beyond that, it's fun, and these guys are showing us how to play it.
    28:28
    Terribly, but yes. or not to. I did not get it. Okay, guys. Let's go. One more attempt. I want to see a multi-ball happen. So let's go one more attempt and see what happens. Afterwards, that's fine. We'll switch up to maybe another high score and then we have a couple more games lined up afterwards. And Naz says she thinks it looks high-tech. That's awesome.
    28:58
    It's fun. I think these battles are great. I'm going to do the countdown really quick. Once again, very slow. Hopefully I won't throw you guys off. Five, four, three, two, one, go.
    29:13
    What's cool about the high-techness of this table is it was Bolly's first table that had a voice. So it actually has a voice, like, sound card versus back in the day, it just had good old chimes.
    29:38
    Oh, good, good, good. We're even again. When you're going for multivolts, really the biggest thing is you cannot miss it on your phone. Have a wonderful day at work.
    29:52
    And she says she streams absolute trash games, unfortunately. I would not say that. Super fun. Really enjoyable to watch. Has a great rapport with Jay. Jay and Naz are constantly streaming together. Very funny. And Lord Howard Hurts, thank you. Yeah. So amidst the 6.5s and the 6s out of 10s, I went ahead and ordered my TMNT today.
    30:24
    And that is a second or a third drain for Nick. That's ball two. Okay, you got it, man. You can do it all on one ball. You've got this. Brian, play in the safe game over on the right side. Oops, sorry. I tagged the microphone.
    30:44
    Now, Nick, how, or Brian, either one of you guys, how do you actually go about getting a multiball? So you hit three saucers, you block one, and then you hit three more saucers on, depending on how conservative the rules are set, on your zip switches.
    31:07
    You hit three more saucers after you lock one, and that'll start your multiball. but I'm going to just bring out okay, Brian, this is up to you Z-Mac, thank you very much, man I think it looks fun, I am a huge Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fan from way back, I absolutely love the old cartoon I went to the theater to go see all of the movies and I only walked out of one of them in the past 30 years, however long it's been so I'm a fan, Brian is on his third ball, he's already got the ball locked I think he has one tube shot So he just needs...
    31:44
    Uh, no. He's got to do... Oh, the saucers up top. Yep. Okay. Oh, hit it, hit it! Okay. So, Zmack asks, I'm guessing this was released close to Gorgar. Yes. So this was 1980. November of 1980. Nice good dead bounce there. Up around the corner, Tandy. Oh, there's two? One? Gorgeous. There's one.
    32:18
    There's one. You can actually, if you look at the forehead of the face right in the middle of the play field. All right, one more. There's one light there. There's two lights. Does that start multi-ball or does that light multi-ball?
    32:32
    That will start multi-ball. Okay, he's got this right here. Up and around. Yeah, there's three. So that is, that's multiball. Congratulations. There's multiball. We will win the four-flip stream. The world's shortest multiball. It is over already.
    32:48
    But I'm not shut out. Yep. And the hardest part about that, this multiball is actually one you don't usually go for if you're playing for a high score because it's really not worth it. You're probably going to drain out. it's kind of harder to get to.
    33:07
    And, like, the only benefit of the multiball is that your spinner turns from 10 points of spin to 1,000 points of spin, which is really not that many points when you can get 50,000 points if you max out your Moto Special on the first round. I'm sorry to do this to everybody, but Dice nailed one of my favorite songs as a kid, which is T-U-R-T-L-E power, T-U-R-T-L-E power, T-U-R-T-L-E power, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Yes! From the movie. Thank you so much. There is one other... Oh my god, you guys. When I get a TMNT, it's going to be disgusting in this stream. It's going to be references to all of the original movie, all the sounds and everything. It's just going to be really bad.
    33:58
    Nice. Hello. I am so sorry, Ryan. Slash Flipstream. Yes. So, he had that ready. He definitely had that ready. Hello. My name is Flipstream. Thank you. Actually, I built it while we were talking. Okay, cool.
    34:18
    All right, you guys. That is one-to-one. We are tied. Let's get some more games in here. Next up, we're going to go for complete bonus is the next one up. Nick, do you want to walk us through what you have to do to complete bonus?
    34:36
    Well, you've got to advance your bonus all the way. So there's actually a couple, and depending, again, how your dip switches are set, and I think ours are slightly different. I've noticed a slight difference in our games so far. But usually you'll see this light right there, this light right there, and this light right here kind of alternate. Those will advance your bonus.
    35:07
    The saucer may advance your bonus. So how do you know whether or not you have completed your bonus? So your bonus is tracked on the blue and orange xenon lights. that are right here.
    35:23
    My N is out, as well as my orange X and my orange O, but this N is the one that's going to matter in this.
    35:34
    Yeah, I believe you can also do so... You really just got to hit a bunch of them. ZMAC recommends one hand building that, and on the other hand, get multiball and multitask for the win.
    35:46
    Okay. You guys... Okay. Wait, feel the rhythm, do the thing, eat the stuff, and here's your bling. Eat the stuff?
    36:02
    Oh, man. MPT3K needed to copyright that one. Beautiful right down the middle drain for flipstream right at the start there.
    36:16
    Yeah, there was no nudge in that one to safety. Oh, you will notice that my upper arrow right there. Good to know. I just assume it's lit when the other one isn't.
    36:34
    And it looks like my tube shots are also advancing bonus. So we'll see if that is the case for Flipstream.
    36:45
    Because I somehow have four lit, which means I really... So that, the saucer, cavio, oh my god, flipstream, getting saucy and didn't get that extra letter, but does pick up one with a side target, I guess the bonus targets themselves. And Nick, did you drain or lock?
    37:10
    Okay, okay, good, good, good stuff. Oh, I drained. Good stuff. Yeah. No doubt. And so Nick at this point Looks like he has lit four I don't see any of the orange But he just drained Ryan on the other hand is Lit four Five potentially six or four I don't know if the orange ones count I've got the first blue Wow Alright I have all blue lit All blue is lit But now you have to get the orange Apparently right Okay And Zmax says This is such a weird game You're not wrong Yeah Take a poop shot Whoa Oh That's down the middle Oh What? What is that virtual pen? Now was that ball three for you? Oh, nope That was not ball three All right So we are focused on flip stream here.
    38:17
    Can he get three more shots? Let's see it. And... Oh, don't house ball. All right, all right. He's going with the don't drain tactics. I like what I'm seeing here. Always a smart play.
    38:38
    It's a good tactic. Woo! That was a... That was coming in with some... Little shats there. Maybe that was going to happen. Okay.
    38:51
    No max bonus, guys. Let's move on to a high score game. So this is guaranteed to create a point by the end of it. And there's no reason to rush, so you guys start up whenever.
    39:05
    And fun fact, when Gorgar came out, The promotional flyer actually came with a 45 RPM record featuring sound clips from the game. That's awesome.
    39:17
    Yeah, I think so. And that was from Midheart. Midheart, welcome to the stream. But what if they both get the same score? Dice, knowing that the Pensomniac's hundreds places out, it seems very unlikely. but it's possible and if that happens I guess sudden death hey wait a minute I don't want to die it will be a duel to the death shortly thereafter oh boy I did not sign up for this that pinball request no you said turn off the controller to nudge and that just doesn't do anything shake you things alright and it happened before IFTA 2019 anybody on an actual tie.
    40:11
    Yeah, no, they had to play another five games. It was such a long stream. That was brutal. Nick, on the other hand, was a little indecisive on that tube shot, but ultimately it decided to go through. Score-wise, you guys are both at 66,000 right now. You guys are neck and neck Pinsomniac, are you on ball three?
    40:37
    Ball three now. I am on ball two. Now I'm on ball three. Flip stream. Oh, my God. I had to go through all three names. I feel like that parent who has a bunch of kids and can't think of Michael, Jerry. I've got quite the bonus, though. Nicholas. Oh, God, yeah. He has to do that with every kid.
    40:58
    Yes. Okay. Hi. Hello. My name is Flip Stream. You're going to have to just leave that up, I think. Oh! Nick's got it. I think that's... 101,000 to 80. There we go.
    41:14
    No surprise. Eh, I'm a little surprised. I'm a little surprised, but I think... Oh, I wasn't talking about the game. I was surprised I'd done it with you already.
    41:31
    Oh, oh, oh, yeah. No, I wasn't talking about the game. Does that mean I'm the dip switch? Okay, cool. George still needs to show up to the tuna sandwich eating duel I challenged him to. Dice, you win. Hands down.
    41:51
    Casablanca. Yeah, no. I will gladly do that. Unless, of course, he sets a new high score and it flashes on all four displays. on one of the games they actually tied pretty sure out of an 8 game max they played 10 games I mean look at Elon Musk's kid you could call him anything and it would be correct is that too soon?
    42:12
    also to go back to Midhart's comment it is actually a board issue so all four have the same issue got it ok yep But the play field plays a lot better when it's missing the digits. Okay, guys. Next one. And you guys are each going to have to keep track of your own, and I will just comment on play. But I want to know who can get the maximum number of saucers between the two of you, a.k.a. who can be the sauciest?
    42:50
    Okay, are we talking there's two? Is there a belt for being a saucer? The tube or both? Sorry. No, no, no. The tube is not a saucer. The tube is an end point where you are awarded your exit value.
    43:14
    Let me do my point of protection. To answer Flipstream's question, the saucer, when I say saucer, I am referencing the one up top. Okay, so whoever can hit that the most, you guys, I'm going to go get a beer. I will be right back, and then I can comment on how wonderful your playing is. At the same time, every time, I want this to be like Gimli and Legolas in Lord of the Rings. If you remember in the two towers, when they're fighting, and every time they kill a goblin, they yell to one another across the battlefield how many they've killed. It was an amazing sequence, and I want to recreate that in pinball right now. So every time you guys get a saucer, I want you to call out how many saucers you have.
    44:02
    The D-Max says it's 11 o'clock PG-13 time, baby. Laser Lowe's, it's not a spoiler. Come on. Wow, spoilers. Laser Lowe's, welcome to the stream. All right, you guys, feel the rhythm, do the thing, eat the stuff, and here's your bling. Go.
    44:28
    I'm going to grab a beer. I'll be right back. One. Two. I had a huge save. That was not good.
    45:02
    Already? Sorry, I'm talking to George. I am still at two. All right. You're still at two, right? Nope. Really bad post-match.
    45:22
    Oof! Oh! If this was a ritual pen, I would have snapped that. Okay. I'm back. What are you guys at? One. Okay. Z-Max says jackpot one!
    45:38
    Two! It's funny because that was voiced by Jimny. Okay. So Nick has two, Brian has two. Is that right? Three. Four. Three. Four!
    45:51
    Three. Four. Three! Don't house ball. Don't you dare. Thank you. All right. Cool. Oh, here's an opportunity. Five. Five!
    46:07
    Sorry, you guys are supposed to do it, but I'm really into it. I apologize. By the way, someone at work today had the audacity to ask, wait. Six. Yeah.
    46:23
    Nick sliding the game into New Mexico and tilting big time. I am really, really surprised you did not break something just then. What a save.
    46:37
    That was a solid. So I have this on a two-by, not quite a two-by-four, but like a panel of wood. I slid it about three inches off of that And it's in the middle That was a solid like eight inch slide Can we clip that please Just for the record The real table is not a light table I mean this is This is 80's era Cabinet No no not 80's era 1980's This thing is heavy Don't even get me started On the woman that wrote seven books based off the eight Harry Potter movies Can she not count? And a household.
    47:19
    All right, so you're still at six, Flipstream, and the Pinsomniac, what did you get up to before you tilted into the next dimension?
    47:31
    I think I hit three, but I distracted myself by tilting into the next dimension. Cool, in that case, Flipstream has that one for the win. guys it's the beer it's helping two to two I do think the beer is helping it's not hurting so at work today I got asked if I was into Harry Potter and there were reasons if I was and I'm like I could see George the little guy in George's head going am I a Harry Potter fan what really is somebody asking me that right now. Oh my god, this is my moment to shine. Yeah.
    48:18
    It was cool. I was born for this. We texted via Slack back and forth for an hour about Harry Potter and kids related stuff. You guys, I just started reading Harry Potter book one to my daughter and we read it to her the whole series when she was six months old and then we tried again at two and Jessica thought that was way too early. It was, but you know, we read it. She obviously wasn't into it back then because we were still really focused on the, um, all of the other kid books at that time, which were mostly like construction paper kind of little things. We tried again at four. We tried again at five. My daughter is about to turn seven in July. And finally she is, she is hooked. She is, it was the end of the first chapter and I did all the voices. I have a unique voice for every character. The Mr. Dursley, Petunia, it was amazing. I feel like I had been preparing for six years for what we'd started a week and a half ago, and now bedtimes are running about 45 minutes to an hour because she doesn't want us to stop reading Harry Potter, and who am I to not do that for her?
    49:38
    So here's the issue with starting your kid, and I saw this on a stand-up shot, and I'm sorry that I can't give credit to the actual comedian, but starting your kid on Harry Potter when they're young is just setting them up to fail, because nothing will ever meet their expectations. Everything is always going to be second best. there's a couple of exceptions when she gets older nothing I feel like at that age group Hunger Games is older and nowhere near as good help me out what other book series like young adult book series don't compare to Harry Potter or I mean Lord of the Rings I feel like is a little bit both younger and older I don't even know how to describe that but the Eagles to me ruined that entire book series I feel like Tolkien wrote himself into a corner and then just had to save the characters he didn't want to die off with Giant Eagles. Laser Lose, that is not a spoiler. Okay?
    50:41
    I do love this whole pixelation thing. I've got privacy going right now. Goosebumps, says SirFryChicken. SirFryCrazy. Captain Underpants. My daughter actually likes Captain Underpants. Nick, is that Aaron Woodall from Drybar Comedy? Also, honestly, I have no idea. I look at r slash stand-up shots on Reddit, and they're all pretty solid. It's basically just like a bounce platform for comedians to throw a joke at and see what kind of feedback they get. And yet he has that unique facial hair and can't give us the Irish accent. This is recovering from a really bad accident. Okay.
    51:26
    Yeah, George was on his motorcycle and got a chin burn. He's just trying to make a little thing and suddenly it's like... And that's why I usually use professionals, but professionals now require that you wear a face mask at this point, so they can't do trims. They do. Oh, that's good. I do have to be right back. I was going to say let's go, but now I'll just continue chatting, because ZMack really likes Hunger Games, but definitely goes one Lord of the Rings, two Harry Potter, three Hunger Games.
    52:01
    I'm not going to get upset by that order. And as long as by Hunger Games you mean the first Hunger Game. Because Hunger Games 2 and 3 was just Katniss kind of whining and doing everything that she hated about her mother, I feel like, in the second two books. That's just my opinion. Yeah, but you also kind of have to think, and I kind of agree with ZMAC a little bit, if there wasn't a Lord of the Rings, we probably wouldn't have a Harry Potter. You are absolutely right. That is, there is something to be said about setting a precedent or even building a genre.
    52:43
    Wow, spoiler. Yes, first, obviously, says ZMAC. Okay, and Dice agrees. George was riding under a helicopter and tried to bend backwards under the spinning blades like Neo from The Matrix. Did I just do that somehow?
    52:59
    Okay, and Flipstream. Yes, hello, my name is Flipstream. I can't remember. Are you a reader? At times. At times? At times. Okay. Do you have a preference for a type of genre perhaps Fantasy science fiction fake historical fiction romance
    53:28
    Kind of the fantasy era is, I think, kind of like more of my go-to. The ones I really like and really find the geek flag here is the old Dungeons and Dragons, like the Dragonlance books. Oh, cool. Yeah. You know, those were always fun, and reading through those. And apparently, you know, after I had read through them quite a bit later, I found out they were actually based on a campaign that somebody did,
    53:57
    and they just basically turned that whole campaign adventure process into novels. Yep. So I was like, whoa, mind blown. But, you know, I was 12, so it wasn't that hard. Still is a butt step, you know. Okay, cool, so Old School Dragonlance that at least gets me kind of the direction SirFryCrazy, I'm going to get back to you in a minute but I want to follow up here with Flipstream so you go from Dragonlance does that mean that you fell into the Drizzit DuWerden series after that by Ari Salvatore?
    54:29
    No, no, I didn't I never read it I just haven't been there yet If I could throw my cap on the floor right now I take my hat off for people, but now I want to throw it. So you got into Dragonlance, but you didn't do the natural progression, one way or the other, honestly, into Ari Salvatore and his D&D-esque books on Drizzit?
    54:56
    Again, I'm familiar with the character. I played Dungeons & Dragons for quite a while. I mean, I can't really show you now because it's all green screen now, but I have a pretty healthy selection of Star Wars games. but yeah.
    55:13
    I never actually got into the novels, no. Okay. And Haxter says, Forgotten Realms is fantastic. It absolutely is. I have role-played, played video games, done some fanfic, run adventures. The Forgotten Realms is absolutely amazing, and that is where Drizzt, and I'm probably mispronouncing that, but I'll never not be able to...
    55:39
    Wait, that's a double negative. I'll never be able to pronounce it differently from how I first read it. All I know is if when you're trying to write it, if you think you've put in enough Zs, you're wrong. You still missed one. You missed one. It's kind of like Wolfman, actually, and missing out on the number of A's in his name. There's always one more than you think. Now, I've got to go back to Stir-Fried Crazy. I am a huge Jim Butcher fan I was ecstatic when he moved out to Denver and now he both starts and ends all of his book tours in Denver or around Denver I also collect first edition, first print books and I have them all signed so I have his Codex Alera series I have almost every book first edition, first print of his Dresden Files series, his new series, the Aeronauts Wind Lists, and Wolfman.
    56:42
    Yes, Z-Mac, you totally win. And I will throw out there, if you thought you had it there, it's always one more. Really close, though. Yeah, really. And on top of that, Stir Fried Crazy, if you know this line, the line is likest thou jelly within thy donut tell me the book series that that came from and now I'm testing you if you're going to bring it up I'm going to throw that out there but careful say it three times as he shows up there's a lot more chat I could just keep going but I wanted to get some more pinball running in the background this is going to be fun actually this is going to be a lot of fun because it's going to be timed responses while playing for high score. Timed responses meaning I'm going to try and interrupt you and make you think while you're playing and still try to achieve a high score. This one wasn't on the list. Can you just give the point to him now? I'm sorry.
    57:41
    All right, you guys. This is so not going to go well for me. High score. It's like that one-word poetry thing we tried that one time. Oh, that was so bad.
    57:56
    I'm not going to say it because I don't want to give you any ideas, but... We, uh... Okay. Yeah, I was trying to put an extra A in there. That looks the same to me. I'm measuring.
    58:10
    No. Oh, there's one more A in there. Also, why is there not a beetle juice? That has been discussed a lot recently on... Oh, sorry. That has been discussed a ton recently on multiple podcasts, specifically the one that has Christopher Franchi in it, who did the designs for Beetlejuice, and apparently Stern said they couldn't find a team of people who were interested enough in doing the pin and didn't want to force a team to do it.
    58:41
    Are you kidding me? What? And Stir Fried Crazy says, Do me a small favor and say that slower, winky face. That's a point, Stir Fried Crazy. That's a point. You get that. All right, you guys. Feel the rhythm. Do the thing. Eat the stuff. And here's your bling. Go.
    59:04
    Now, Nick, could you give me... That was a George-level soft plunge right there, by the way. I'm sorry?
    59:11
    I said that was a George-level soft plunge right there, but you missed it. I like it. Flipstream, the old new soft plunge. That's going to be a thing. All right. So, Nick, I'm going to need you to multiply 11 and 13.
    59:31
    11 times 13. Okay. So 11 times 10 is obviously 110. And then another two 11s is another 22. So 110 plus that 22 is a solid one. I'm actually not going to double-check that. I'm having way too much fun watching you guys.
    59:52
    Well, yeah. Okay. It needs another one to 143. Yes, yes. Okay, now, Flipstream, another question for you here. In what year was the Declaration of Independence written?
    60:12
    Was it 7? 1776? You can't stop playing. You didn't say that. Nick Cage would definitely know this one. Okay, 1776. But you gave it the thought, and you almost drained. So that is... I'm not draining. Does that make you feel better? Yes. Okay. And on that note, Nick, I'm going to need you to name me two movies that have Nicolas Cage in it.
    60:44
    Ooh, Declaration of National Treasure. And, uh, 160 seconds, the... Oh, I'm going to do three because of Raising Arizona, and there's one you can't forget about. This thing is basically already one at this point. Oh, did you make it through all three? Oh, yeah. Okay. This is now, by the way, my new favorite game. I have so many fun questions lined up in my head right now.
    61:13
    I am... This, I'm so excited to commentate now. I do love this. We're going to do this again after a more standard duel. By the way, it is 11.26. Guys, we have 34 minutes. I'm going to give this point to the pinsomniac who's killing it right now.
    61:36
    I just got into multiball, and I'm focused on Nick Cage. Z-Bag happens to think that National Treasure is Nick Cage's best movie, and I don't know about that man I would think that Rock is more enjoyable but I do really like National Treasure Faceoff CNK says CNK welcome to the stream and Faceoff is amazing with John Travolta and Nicolas Cage that movie never did it flip stream do you have a third ball or are you prepped for the next game no I'm just prepped for the next game sorry continue Nick you got zero points on ball one and two but that makes a lot of sense I cannot argue with that logic sir so I choose not to and you win alright George I'm going to need you to follow me around and just ask me trivia while I play because that's the best game I put up on here leaving Las Vegas for Sirius Nick Cage Ghost Rider for Ridiculous I think there's better more ridiculous movies than Ghost Rider it's ghost I would actually put face off for ridiculous what about what was that the um the Alcatraz movie with the rock that was the first yeah the rock welcome to the rock Mandy I have heard nothing but good things about actually I think I heard it from electronic I fairly certain that was a Becca and Jordan talk for like 30 minutes about how amazing Mandy was. Okay, guys, next one here, we are going to go for who can get an extra ball. This is going to be a tough one.
    63:19
    Okay, cool, we're going to get it. I ran! Point immediately goes to Flintstream. I can still get there.
    63:31
    There's a couple ways to do it. depending on the level of game, but we're not going to count the extra ball based on score.
    63:41
    I would argue you have to finish four. If you feel comfortable tracking that, I'm okay doing it. Otherwise, we can skip to special, which is essentially the same thing, but there's three different ways to go about doing it.
    63:58
    Right, but it's still lit. I don't have to track it. I just don't get awarded any extra points. You will have to tell us if you get the extra ball. How about that?
    64:11
    All right. Well. Okay. So if you guys do not get the extra ball, we are going to base it on score. So that kind of adds a little bit of funkiness to it. Okay? And then I will catch up on chat while you guys are playing. And also jump in and just point out all of the mistakes you're making. Okay? also you should talk about the rollovers at the top and how they're useful against the drop targets might have to defer to you on that one there all right you guys feel the rhythm do the thing eat the stuff and here's your bling let's do this go oh and uh cnk it does have an attract mode i just had a game started and they uh and I was ready to launch. Right, yeah, he was... It's almost like a six-shift car, and you were sitting at a stoplight kind of revving and moving the car back and forth a little bit. He was doing the same thing with the plunger and the ball in the launch lane. Also, CMK, all I care about is, are you happy with your haircut? I love that line from The Rock.
    65:22
    I have seen The Rock so many times. it is, like, I haven't seen it as many times as I have seen the fifth element, but it's got to be pretty dang close.
    65:34
    And write playfield has no, okay, that's what you were saying. Oh, okay, get that fixed. Write hashtag fix your playfield flipstream. Okay. I see So, uh, Flipstream, do you No Do you start with your 2x lit? Uh, Flipstream, we lost your audio Really? The stream might be able to Okay, so he He does not start with his 2x lit So, uh, I'm going to have to get to special I'm going to check on Twitch stream's audio.
    66:15
    What happened? Yeah, they said they can hear me just fine. Yeah, they can hear you, but we couldn't hear you. And now I can hear you in Discord. We lost you in Discord. I can see your mouth moving, and I can see your levels moving on the stream. We're not important. The stream is obviously what's important. So don't... Yes, we love all of the folks watching out there. We appreciate you being here tonight. and watching us really be terrible at pinball.
    66:45
    Stice says we can hear him fine. Pain in game, funniest rock, fliptronic. I would disagree. First of all, I love The Rock. He is definitely my guy crush. No question about it. And two, that would be the one he does with Sean Patrick William Scott. He's a guy with like six different names from American Pie. the rundown is the flat out funniest movie he has ever done also Flipstream did you drain all three balls that quick? yep that was it okay cool cool cool Fliptronic also yeah okay not also but you tried to answer it with me and there was just a little bit of a delay but I would argue that the rundown is funnier than Pain and Game also I struggle with Pain and Game so the hardest part about this challenge Wait, but do you maintain your progress?
    67:39
    No. Okay. In that case, Nick, you have won. Because we said the secondary win was based on score, and you already have an idea of this. Okay. Yeah, and I haven't even played my ball three.
    67:57
    Flip stream, am I seeing that right? Flip stream, your high score on here is 289? It's 289. Or is that 1.2?
    68:06
    alright it's a new computer and I don't have any gold ice cores good comeback good recovery on that one you mean like Kim Kardashian I don't understand that one I feel like if you have to explain it probably loses something bloopers from the office Just Google it. Oh, that's not the office thing, right? That's Parks and Rec?
    68:42
    No, it's not. Sorry, Parks and Rec, what was meant to be a spinoff from the office, but based off of West Wing, I was listening to the Rob Lowe episode of Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard,
    68:59
    and, wow, it was full of just amazing information. But the guys that wrote Parks and Rec as a spinoff for The Office wanted the West Wing, but a comedy instead of a drama. Also, another fun note about Parks and Rec, which, A, I've only watched, I think, one season's worth of Parks and Rec, which I know I need to remedy that. But did you know that is based on the city of Fort Collins? The logo is based on the city of Fort Collins At least the initial How people interacted I guess And kind of the initial how the show was started Was based on the city of Fort Collins Maybe I guess I read that Incorrectly I read that from a poor source Is that kind of like how Portlandia is kind of a documentary Maybe I'm making shit up well yeah Portlandia is a documentary I feel like anybody that lives in Portland says that Portlandia is a lot closer to truth than you would think I live about two hours away and yeah pretty much yeah exactly and Fliptronic this guy right here he goes to every town hall meeting so I'll let you answer that so Fort Collins has all the dumb citizens people at the meet oh me i don't go i'm not that involved but i'm involved with the pinball community i feel like at this point not actual people like i no no i just want you to know it was a joke i would say it went over your head but it went under your chin also here really fun note a i got a haircut today and b this whole accident happened with my chin my chin has been freezing today. This is the first time in like ten years this chin has seen fresh air. It has always had a beard on it. And it has felt very weird. Yeah, I think I've done that like... A year ago I couldn't grow it. You have to go with the naked chin and it just feels so bizarre. It's like wind. What is this wind? Alright, guys. We are going round two on... Sorry, round three on Sick Razorburn Nick says dice on trying to start multiball. All right. But I might be able to get a point this time. Yeah. But we are also there's going to be it's a little Q&A multiball. So once again, you guys are going to have to baby face towards.
    71:44
    Flip stream, you're going to get so good at pinball because you're used to talking to people while you're playing. By the way, how goes the progress towards routine pinball streaming? I know that that's your goal. What does that look like? When will you start? And do you have a guess on what your schedule might be?
    72:03
    No, not yet. Sorry. What does that look like? I'm getting pretty close. This would be a perfect question, by the way.
    72:11
    I'm sorry. No, no, no. Wait for that opportunity. I want you to actually respond. Okay. Pretty close, actually. So graphics are coming together. This really, really nice guy has sold me a Sony camera for the Playfield, and that's showing up on Monday.
    72:31
    I still need a little bit of a storage, by the way. Still need to kind of work out some stuff on the hosting side. I kind of want to come out strong with the layout and whatnot, but it's getting pretty close. So I would say if you haven't, you know, follow the Pensomniac as he streams more often, then maybe follow me if you still have some clicks left in you and get some notifications. But I'm hoping, hoping in the next few weeks we might be able to get a live table stream as opposed to this virtual stuff. Okay. Awesome, man. I'm excited to see it. I am excited for your, and I don't know if I'll be able to say this word right now, inaugural stream. me too and I would I hope that you will post vehemently on discord when that will be so the whole night squad can show up for that I will see what we can happen maybe I'll skill summon Pinsomniac's Thunder do it on a Wednesday night just to piss him off okay I would do that hey you know I can always not stream Xenon so to answer Zmax's question wait wait wait don't answer that Zmax this is it while you guys were playing, A, and Bitwalk, thank you very much for that follow. My hat's off to you. And how long is that shark? It's about that big.
    73:58
    I once caught a fish this big. I also tagged the microphone in my... Okay. Okay, good, good, good. I'm not finished with my answer. Feel the rhythm. Do the thing. Eat the stuff. And here's your bling. Plunge away. We're going for multiball, right? Yes, go for multiball. Nick, how many games and what are they and what year were they created?
    74:30
    One, Xenon, 1980. To expand on that answer, my original goal was to do a lot of on-location streaming. How's that working out for you?
    74:40
    I'm not that far. Well, this left out lane is not working out super well for me And on location is basically not a thing right now So, moving on Flipstream There's a bunch of What do you call them? I panicked doing flipstream But I'm like, ah, I panicked Yeah, no, no Don't panic flip And how many games do you have And what are they? You have a little bit larger of a list, I think. Slightly. So I actually have four physical tables. I have a Capcom Breakshot, which was $95.
    75:24
    I also have a Jurassic Park Pro. That was, of course, last year, 2019. I have a Batman 66 Premium. It's one of the signed ones, so I actually have the Adam West signature card on it. What was that? 2017? 2018?
    75:43
    And then I also have a Revenge from Mars, which is the Pinball 2000. It was one of the last two tables that the whole Bally Williams thing did before they gave up on Pinball.
    75:56
    Okay. And what is, I'm going to follow up, instead of asking the year that it was made, what is your favorite of those games? I'm sort of house-bold anyways.
    76:06
    Good question. I think JP, without a doubt I actually sold my Twilight Zone to buy that JP for those of you freaking out right now you sold a Twilight Zone I've had that thing for like 8 years and I was done I get that so fairly similar to George I don't think anything would ever be permanently bolted to the floor but I think it was a good upgrade for me ok but yeah, I would say JP Cool. So, ZMack, I hope that answered your question thoroughly. Did both of you guys finish playing, and neither of you get the multivolve?
    76:48
    Well, and we both finished at 69,000, and going off of my rule, there is a 2 out of 10 chance that he beat me. He said it was a 0.
    77:02
    Wow. It's a zero no matter what. Wow. Yeah, I guess the point's got to go to Flipstream. I can't believe how close that is. I'll take it. I need it. Yep, yep.
    77:18
    All right, guys. Next one here is going to be Max Tube Shots. All right? And I am not referencing the trailer on it here. I'm saying the tube shot. Nick, can you point out where the tube is on the play field so the audience knows what you're going to be hitting?
    77:43
    It's one of the biggest shots in pinball that you always miss. It's going to be a blank pump, but, you know, I'll keep this family friendly.
    77:52
    Awesome. Oh, I can't make a good bubble sound. Thank you. I have been working on that for decades. I can make... I can sound apparently just like a tube shot, if we're going to call it that.
    78:15
    All right. I need to switch in there now that it displays the sound whenever I make a shot. That was a little more like teleconference. but hold on a sec there we go sound is reset and you guys maximum number of tube shots Lord of the Rings rules applies Nick I want you to play the role of Gimli Flipstream I want you to play the role of Legolas and you guys feel the rhythm do the thing eat the stuff and here's your bling plunge away Didn't Legolas win?
    79:01
    I do want to ask Flipstream if he can see his playfield well enough to tell me one of the Easter eggs that is on the table. Oh, good, we're even.
    79:15
    This mosquito is trying to get me. He's trying to find me. I can tell that he's trying to find me, but I've got a fan on me right now. So as he gets closer, she, I guess, gets closer. She gets blown away.
    79:32
    I don't know that I can see the, uh, the arbor girl. Alright, well, those of you that don't know, I'm gonna take a moment here. This is Kinetic Molecular Integrated Evolution Cylinder. Talk about that for a second. Again, Kinetic Molecular Integrated Evolution Cylinder. evolution of evolution What do you think that means Yeah was it Greg last name
    80:03
    I don't know. Wasn't he like the playfield designer? Jedi says, does Nick get any bonus points for the collared shirt? Did you go into work or did you dress up for tonight? I was in work, and I'm used to wearing a collared shirt on stream. Got it. Both? So no bonus points there, unfortunately. What? On the other hand, Lipstream gets a bonus point for wearing a Don't Panic! Lipshirt.
    80:38
    Oh, there's a... I'm at, like, seven. One, two... So you can actually count your tube shots using your moda special on the play field. So this circle right here.
    80:52
    It looks like... So Flipstream looks like he's at either zero or... How many did you hit, Flipstream? Because I've also discovered tilt isn't actually working on my tablet. So... So I... Nudge.
    81:09
    Nudging. Tilt is working. Or nudging. Okay, so would you disable the camera wiggle? I was going to say. You actually disabled nudging, apparently. Apparently killed the whole thing.
    81:22
    I'm jamming on the analog stick, but it's not doing anything. We love pinball. Welcome to the stream. We've got an exciting duel here, and Prost, which is We Love Pinball's command, not mine. You guys, in fact, after this session, I want to take a quick second and say, if you guys are not following Flipstream and the Pinsomniac, you absolutely should. please head on over to their streams and throw them a follow.
    81:49
    And Flipstream is going to have his inaugural physical table stream here in the next couple of weeks, I think. And the Pinsomniac has been streaming on a consistent schedule now for months.
    82:02
    Sorry, years? Has it been a year yet? So technically, off of my first stream, It's been right at a year, but I'm not counting that until my first Xenon stream, because I did stream one TNA session from George's basement.
    82:25
    That was when you... Man, I think last June, what did you do, Don't Panic Club? I went on a month and week long road trip to Alaska from Colorado with my family.
    82:39
    Now imagine... I can't do that this year. Oh Because RV parks are shut down It's like It's almost enforced social distancing I guess the communal showers and stuff Is where they probably get a little bit worried Well So they're shut down But B, if you get into one You're stuck there Because if you leave You have nowhere to go so there are people that had that whole lifestyle of van life and and just that nomad style that having quick i just read that the conclusion of my stream earlier was that i should consider changing my name to always panic flip and uh i would disagree but uh more than for multiple reasons, but the biggest one being I think Jedi McMuffin has the coolest logo in pinball flat out. It is exactly what it sounds like. It is the mascot for McDonald's as a Star Wars Jedi Disney trademark.
    83:58
    What's that mascot's name? Okay, cool. He said with a question mark at the end. sure, and a McRuffin in the background, kind of like the Death Star. It's amazing. So for that reason alone, I would suggest you never change your name, because I think that's awesome. So, by the way, I threw a suggestion to follow the Pinsomniac and Flipstream. You guys, once again, head over there and go through those guys' follows. Amazing streamers, great content creators. At the same time, we have some other streamers online tonight as well. We have WeLovePinball. We have JediMcMuffin. We have LaserLost. We have Fliptronic, and that's Jordan and Becca, who were streaming Dungeons & Dragons doing a giveaway earlier tonight. I only got to lurk for a little bit, guys. Sorry, I didn't chat it up. CNK, if you are interested in first-person shooters and somebody who's at the top of the list, I think, for a number of different things. C&K, you are welcome to throw out what you hold the world record for because I'm fairly certain you have several of those. And I'm just scrolling back through to see if I get anything, if I missed anything else. Oh, my God, there is a Hamdrew Burglar who is in chat or might still be in chat. I feel like Hamdrew Burglar and Jedi McMuffin maybe know each other a little bit. And Flipper Snapper! Yes, Flipper Snapper, another wonderful streamer from Bells and Chimes, killing it on Metallica. So close, so close to end of the line. I have seen her play some amazing games on Metallica. I'm looking forward to a lot more. I can't believe you subscribed to Don't Add Any Flips. I mean, you're... Oh, look, I can do Gilbert. You're done. You must be a billionaire if you're wasting your money.
    86:04
    Awesome. Dice, you're amazing. Thank you so much for that gifted tier one sub. Flipper Snapper, enjoy those emotes. Use them up. You got the Gilbert. They all have sounds associated with them on this stream and a couple others at this point. So enjoy. That was a perfect example Ludicrous speed On the tier Two height I think No tier three sorry Tier three Don't mess with that Flex Oh my god by the way I have said weird flex But okay At least 75 times Since you used that, I have shown that clip, like, personally to people from my phone a number of times. That is my favorite moment, I think, in two years of streaming. Actually, I'm going to say top five, because the first one has to still be Ty, a.k.a. Bertzilla, playing Pirates of the Caribbean. And when he's playing, he literally tries to shove his Pirates of the Caribbean and rips off, just like he was way too strong rips off the lockdown bar. It was the most surprising and amazing moment I've had in two years. That said, MPT3K, another streamer who was on here. You guys, follow, check out, hang with all of those other streamers. Oh, crap, I forgot that I had the shot enabled.
    87:39
    Oh, my God. It's... I will go take a shot. That's fine. You guys, it is really close to 12. Hopefully we've got time for maybe two more. Oh, my God. Dice just gifted three tier one subs to the community. I could do his arms. Oh, that's great. So Stir Fry Crazy, Mighty Squirrel, and Mixer Tudor, enjoy those wonderful emotes and the sounds that accompany each of those. And if you ever Actually, I gotta go. I gotta let him do it.
    88:28
    Dice, you're amazing. My ambassador of Kwan. You hit 100! Oh my god. Dice has gifted 100 subs in this channel. That's up here, man. You can't even see it. I'm going to use my left hand. That's up here. I am a righty. This is really difficult for me to do. Alright.
    88:50
    Guys, before we cross the 12 o'clock Oh my god. The pin's not working. I wanted to take this out of the spot again. Thank you very much. My hat's off to you.
    89:09
    Andrew Burglar, Just Eric, and HF pinball league. Guys, so that way we can see this. Hold on. I'm just going to really quick go back to solo and say, hey, we got rid of the notification and jump back over here.
    89:27
    I know, we are borderline about to hit a hype train right now. But I got to give Flipstream an opportunity to tie this up. It is 4-3.
    89:37
    Wait, did I not get a point for that one? Damn it. I was really hoping you'd forget. I gotta be honest. I don't forget. I'm like an elephant. I gotta give credit. He is a better Xenon player than me.
    89:50
    Okay, guys. In that case, we've got hopefully time for one last one here. Somebody is Santa Claus today. I'm just happy it's not a blowout. We are gonna go for Max Saucers again. Let's see who can get the sauciest since Pensomniac also threw down three gifted tier one subs. Let's see if he can walk away the sauciest of the bunch. You guys, feel the rhythm. Do the thing. Here is your stuff. And there goes a bunch of McMuffins across the screen. Go ahead and flip.
    90:32
    That rhymed. It rhymed. it rhymes we'll love it alright oh my gosh this was too much fun I gotta say guys I hope you enjoy the duels as much as we do I feel like there's so much fun and on top of that if you've been on the discord at all recently we have a channel dedicated to duels and a bunch of people who are interested in doing them we're trying to align schedules tonight. We missed out on two other people who couldn't make it happen but this was almost a four person duel on Xenon and the other two would have been hybrid virtual physical cabinets. So I think you're going to see a lot more of these more regularly. Flipstream, I saw what just happened there. It kind of bugged out for a second.
    91:28
    Oh, that was a nudge? That was a nudge. That actually works. Okay. And Flipper Snapper wants to duel if anyone has a Metallica.
    91:39
    So, by the way, so we have going right now, Flipper Snapper, we have a Google Docs where we're keeping track of what games everybody has access to, whether it be physical or virtual, and then also tracking availability and just basically providing a place for people to contact one another and schedule those up. On top of that, there's another tab to that same document that allows you to put in there when the schedule is. So that way, if others are interested in talking about it or bringing up or kind of cross-promoting it, we can do that. So, yeah, jump into the Discord, check it out, throw your name into a column and add Metallica if it's not already there. And we'll see if we can find some other people who have Metallica and want to battle it out.
    92:26
    Flippersnapper, it is... I'm on that too, by the way. If you do explanation point Discord... By the way, Nick is at two.
    92:32
    So am I. Okay, cool. So it's two to two right now. You guys are equally saucy. Two to two. Bugs are trying to get in my face here.
    92:42
    Steagals, stop it now. I saw that drain. I'm very sorry about that. I hope you guys are all familiar with the Steagals. Stop it. I thought that that's one of my favorite things in the game. Oh, get off my head.
    92:53
    Three. Okay, yeah. Flipper Snapper is already in it. Great. So it's just the hashtag dual channel. Ooh. Both Laser Lose and Dice have access to Safe Cracker. Thank you for typing in exclamation point Discord flip screen.
    93:12
    And so you guys are each tied at three right now. Is that correct? Four for Pinsomniac. Four. Okay. So Pinsomniac, you have it. Oh, don't want the point. I don't think there's any way to win for Flipstream at this point, but we still have two minutes. We can either, A, chat, or potentially, yeah, we could either chat, or actually, it's not an either or. We're going to get in one more. This game is brutal. Two minutes is perfect. Let's do it.
    93:48
    I could dream three in two minutes. The score is 3-3 right now. Pensomniac has the lead. But last game here, guys, we are going to do who can start multiball.
    94:08
    I should say first person to start multiball. And if neither person starts multiball, it comes down to score. And you guys feel the rhythm, do the thing. Here's the stuff. and there goes your bling. I messed that up a little bit. Plunge away, please.
    94:28
    By the way, another thought on what's happening tonight. We are using Desk Camera for streaming, which is not only software based on the RTSP protocol as opposed to the RTMP protocol, which NGINX we've previously used. It's working out really well. It allows a ton of flexibility in how you present the individual components on the screen. You're actually not seeing me use a ton of that flexibility right now. Once we get, I think, to three- or four-person screens, you'll end up seeing us move around a ton more and showing off a little bit more of that. I think the biggest thing you guys are going to notice, though, is the delays are significantly less than they were with Nginx. So these guys here, even with audio, are, I think, at most set at about two seconds, and there's just a little bit of alignment on my side to kind of try and bring everybody together.
    95:34
    Yeah, George, do you want to say what RTMP and RTMP are? No, no, yeah. If I actually knew what RTMP and RTSP stood for, I would totally throw down on that. Real-time streaming protocol?
    95:49
    Real-time streaming protocol and real-time monitoring protocol, I believe. There. Yeah, you're right, you're right. And let's see, you're checking up on chat. I'm so used to not understanding George sometimes. That's funny. My wife says the same thing. My six-year-old, on the other hand, thinks I'm just hilarious.
    96:10
    All right, so we've got a straight down the middle for Flipstream. Nick, on the other hand, is still going. Was that ball three for you? That was unfortunately ball three for me. Oh. All right, so it's up to Nick to see if he can get there. Flipstream has double your score currently. Wow. Once again, Nick nudging into the next area code. And no tilt. Yeah, I'm really surprised.
    96:36
    That was a... I slap-saved that one. Was that ball three? Bitlock, there is already a block post on this tech.
    96:48
    And Flipper Snapper... I can't think of her name right now. Tracy? Nope. The person that voices Xenon... I know she does a lot with electronic music. which is kind of like really big in that area. It's not totally my thing, but...
    97:15
    Suzanne. Suzanne Chiayi. There we go, guys. Flipstream wins the final match of the night. Final score of 6-4.
    97:24
    Pensomniac, you're going to walk away with the big W tonight. I'm saucy. Molly Hatchett, welcome to the stream. good evening or good morning it's a little after midnight I might lose the internet in the next yeah in the next few minutes so we're going to have to end this very soon the Pinsomniac and Flipstream you two are amazing thank you so much for allowing me to stream y'all dueling slash battling slash fighting it up I had a wonderful time I hope you had a fun time as well put em up Yes, thank you. So we then are... MPT3K, thank you very much. We are going to do a quick break. You guys, I am part of the Pinball Network, and that is a collection of streamers who are like-minded and willing to work together to both coordinate schedules and figure things out, share information, and honestly just enjoy the hobby. really quick, let me show you guys what I'm talking about and the other streamers that are available on Twitch through TPN. Hold on.
    99:00
    Thank you. All right, guys. So you just saw the video there. We've got straight down the middle, flipping out pinball, Ray Day pinball, one iPod, one pinball, TurboGrafx-7, the pinball mafia, myself, Emily, and Dr. John. What the flip? And finally, MPT3K, the newest addition to the pinball network. Upcoming schedule. we've got today is Thursday so that is current. We've got TurboGrafx and MPG3K tomorrow. We've got SDTM Pinball and Rayday Pinball Sunday after morning and evening and then on Monday we've got Flippin' Out Pinball and finally me again on my standard schedule of Monday, Tuesday, and Thursday. So yeah gotta pay the bills. You guys, I'm going to switch back over to wow that didn't work but over there you guys thank you so much for hanging out again enjoy your weekend be safe socially distant masks or whatever you feel comfortable with and enjoy what is left of the next year of the pandemic and also have fun playing pinball have a great night and we'll see you guys again later
    101:25
    I left you guys on mute Can you say that one more time? Okay, I said, good night, everybody. Hopefully we're not on the internet. Bye, everybody. Thanks for hanging out.
    101:34
    Hey, 50 followers. Jedi, you are on your way to Australia. All right, guys. See ya. We're going to find someone to raid here.
    101:56
    Thank you. I want to say, guys, bear with me here one second. We're going to raid MaxPower68000, who is building a pinball machine. Absolutely hilarious. I did not do the shot! Ugh.
    103:01
    All right, hold on. Hold on. I got to put everybody back on, so you guys are all unmuted. And now I'm going back over to solo. Somebody bought a shot.
    103:14
    Give me two seconds. I'm going to do the shot. I will be right back. And then we're going to raid MaxPower68000. and that wasn't... In fact, no, no, no. Are you guys still up? Because at least you guys can chat.
    103:28
    Uh, hello? Hello? I don't know. Can you guys hear us? You can't do two shots. Oh, no. Yes, you can. You can totally do two shots. You can't do two shots. Then what if you guys are doing a shot? All right. It's midnight. We're about to lose the internet. All right, fine. I don't have anything. I don't have to go to work tomorrow, so... Well, I have to go to work. I'm just working from home.
    103:52
    God, all of these shots are terrible that I've got. Yeah, I'm coming to your place. I've got lime-flavored vodka. It's going to be wonderful.
    104:05
    Yeah, I bet. That's all, like, totally downstairs, opposite side of the house. All right, hold on. You guys. Well, so Fliptronic, the last time he did the whole disable it after the first redeem, he had to reactivate it because we wanted to, like, pitch in.
    104:26
    All right, that's one. Oh, my God. Do you want to switch back so they can watch me take a shot? Yeah, totally. Give me a second.
    104:38
    What, are you busy flying a plane over there? Yep, yep. I'm in aviation. There you go. Someone bought a shot. I mean, every time you say a Jedi McMuffin, I'm like, oh, my gosh. No, no, no. That was three very small. There was three sips. I didn't have access to a quick glass.
    105:01
    Can someone clip that and then tag Ryan Reynolds in it? Yep, yep. All right. Yeah, maybe. And did you take your shot, Nick? Hang on a second. I did, yeah. Comcast has kicked you off. Comcast has not kicked me off yet. Give it three minutes. Yeah, sometime between now and 12.15, I usually get kicked off for a half a second, which is enough to kill me from Twitch. So anyway, you guys. Why does tonight be the only night? Really quick, you're amazing. Chat is amazing. Thank you so much. We're going to go raid MaxPower68000. And in the meantime, while that times out, I've got a funny little thing for you here. I'm going to...
    105:50
    Is he still here? It's over. Go home. Ciao.