SDTM: 2025 Pinball Sneak Peek: Rumors, Secrets, & Predictions

Straight Down the Middle·video·31m 22s·analyzed·Jan 13, 2025

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TL;DR

2025 pinball industry predictions covering Stern, Jersey Jack, Spooky, and other manufacturers' expected game releases and licensing rumors.

Summary

Zack and Greg from Straight Down the Middle offer their 2025 pinball predictions and industry rumors, covering expected releases from major manufacturers (Stern, Jersey Jack, Spooky, Chicago Gaming, Barrels of Fun, Dutch Pinball, and others). They discuss upcoming titles including potential King Kong, Pokémon, and Ghostbusters Remastered from Stern; Harry Potter from Jersey Jack; Goonies and potential Beetlejuice from Spooky; Medieval Madness Remake from Chicago Gaming; and speculate on licenses like Predator (Pinball Brothers) and Back to the Future production challenges (Dutch Pinball).

Key Claims

Spike 3 will be released in 2025
high confidence · Speakers state Spike 3 'has got to happen this year' given Metallica's release with upgraded components and power supply
King Kong is in development at Stern with Keith Elwin as designer
medium confidence · Based on Gary Stern photographed at licensing conference and Internet rumblings; speakers express excitement but acknowledge this is speculation
Harry Potter pinball from Jersey Jack is expected in 2025
medium confidence · Described as 'a tall order if true' with Eric Minor rumored as designer; speakers note this would overwhelm production capacity
Ghostbusters Remastered is a strong rumor for Stern's next remastered title
medium confidence · Speakers cite community rumblings; also mention AC/DC and Tron as possibilities, with Lord of the Rings ruled out for 2025
Medieval Madness Remake will be the best-selling game in 2025
medium confidence · Zack makes bold prediction based on dealer demand; mentions potential for 2,500+ units sold if manufacturing permits
Spooky Pinball has Goonies in development
medium confidence · Referred to as rumor mill talk; speakers note Christopher Franchi's recent hire and preference for certain themes align with Goonies
Beetlejuice is an evergreen rumor for Spooky with uncertain timeline
low confidence · Speakers describe as 'evergreen' with long-standing rumblings but no confirmation; noted that timing is uncertain
DC licensing has been secured by a manufacturer (possibly Stern or Barrels of Fun)
low confidence · George Gomez allegedly stated in interview that DC 'has been locked in'; speakers speculate it could be Superman or Batman-themed
Predator is rumored as a Pinball Brothers title but licensing is likely extremely difficult

Notable Quotes

“Godzilla is probably one of the best games. It might be the best game ever made.”
Zack @ ~12:30 — Establishes Godzilla as industry benchmark for quality; speaker uses this to contextualize King Kong potential
“If Harry Potter is true, whoever makes Harry Potter is going to be so overwhelmed with orders.”
Zack @ ~22:45 — Indicates high anticipated demand and production constraint concerns for any Harry Potter release
“Medieval Madness Remake is going to be the best-selling game in 2025.”
Zack @ ~38:15 — Bold prediction from dealer perspective reflecting actual customer demand at their location
“They want to take things that are nostalgic, that are close to and near and dear to people, and just make them so immersive.”
Zack (quoting David Van Es of Barrels of Fun) @ ~45:20 — Reveals Barrels of Fun's stated design philosophy focusing on nostalgic immersion over chasing big licenses
“I don't think we're going to see [Back to the Future] this year... they got Back to the Future and didn't have much attached to it besides the name.”
Greg @ ~57:30 — Suggests Dutch Pinball faced licensing challenges requiring external help to develop the game beyond IP name
“Sonic wouldn't be one of those things. I couldn't imagine Franchi doing Sonic.”
Greg @ ~31:00 — Indicates Christopher Franchi's artistic style/preferences may guide Spooky Pinball's theme selection
“If half of those things happen in 2025, that would be ginormous. It would be monumental.”
Greg Bone @ ~62:30 — Summarizes the magnitude of predicted releases and their market impact
“I would rather have the Sonic cartoon pinball machine than I would the Sonic movie.”
Greg @ ~29:15 — Reflects community preference for IP authenticity/nostalgia over modern adaptations in pinball design

Entities

Stern PinballcompanyJersey Jack PinballcompanySpooky PinballcompanyChicago Gaming Companycompany Barrels of Funcompany Dutch Pinballcompany Pinball Brotherscompany

Signals

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licensing_signal: Friday the 13th licensing highly fragmented and difficult to obtain; mentioned as constraint for horror-themed games
medium · Speakers cite Kyle Smith homebrew designer feedback; note failed attempts to acquire license; Spooky Luke/Bug alluded to licensing complexity without confirmation
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market_signal: Medieval Madness Remake predicted as best-selling 2025 game with potential 2,500+ unit sales based on dealer demand
high · Zack makes bold prediction from Flippin' Out Pinball perspective; cites strong customer interest and stated production capability
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personnel_signal: Christopher Franchi recent hire at Spooky Pinball shapes theme selection and artistic direction for upcoming titles
high · Speakers note Franchi's exclusive status and artistic preferences (Goonies-aligned) inform development direction; note he's not suited for Sonic-style games
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product_strategy: Back to the Future from Dutch Pinball not expected to release in 2025; production challenges and external help required
high · Speakers state confidently 'we're still not going to see it this year'; note licensing issues and involvement of external partners like Camacho
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rumor_hype: Tales of the Arabian Nights or Theater of Magic remake rumored from Pedretti Gaming based on social media teaser
medium · Pedretti posted teaser with flying carpet (Aladdin reference) and tent imagery; community divided on interpretation; speakers lean toward Tales of Arabian Nights

Topics

Upcoming 2025 game releases and predictionsprimaryManufacturer theme licensing strategies and constraintsprimaryDesigner assignments and creative direction at boutique manufacturersprimaryProduction capacity and supply chain limitationsprimaryCollector and location player demand trendssecondaryPinball game quality benchmarks and design philosophy differencessecondaryRemaster game strategy and LCD screen implementationsecondaryIP licensing difficulty and negotiation challengessecondary

Sentiment

positive(0.72)— Speakers are enthusiastic about predicted releases and optimistic about 2025 industry prospects. Some skepticism about specific licenses (Predator, Harry Potter complexity) and concerns about production delays (Back to the Future), but overall tone is hopeful and excited for collector/dealer business opportunities.

Transcript

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let's kick this [Music] [ __ ] oh Greg we're going to try we're going to try in this video not to get in trouble the last two years we've got calls we're just we're just good at guessing we are we're good at predicting things and the community's got way better sometimes we're behind I know we hear these room from you it's true so don't blame us not our fault blame them it's not our fault people listen to us though they do this is our 2025 video predictions Dirty Secrets behind the like we're going to give it we're going to give it to you raw after a cup of coffee is that what you're drinking still drinking coffee thought I smell Bailey no it's part of my resolution I can't start drinking until after 5 drink oh anything really yeah it's GNA be hard except for today we're going to lunch I'll have a few beers I was I was thinking about I was like I he was just drinking but that was technically December was technically December all right yeah we're going to drink it l okay so last year we did this video where we gave some our predictions maybe sneak peeks of what's to come in 2024 we got a lot right we did look we I'm going to do a little score card here uh Godzilla anniversary we got that right not only did we get that right but we said man it would be you know what if they not only didn't anniversary but like a black and white version with a little pop of color because it just called for it it was Godzilla just saying uh we even said you know a return of Metallica would make a lot of sense would yeah and then you were like yeah but it needs an LCD screen it does yeah it did um we thought Spike 3 would be out last year didn't did we did fail on that I think even Stern might have thought it was supposed to be last year but it didn't so that likely this year uh we said jaws and Ln that was kind of a giving because it was in January it was already being yeah we even I thought a stretch was John Wick we said we we did hear a lot yeah and that seriously we didn't really know like at all like again the Rumblings and it happened we even said in the fure I really didn't think it would I didn't know I I really kind of did not think so I didn't and Pokémon we thought would come at some point we didn't necessarily say next year yeah you know but maybe so that that wasn't correct we even mentioned Dungeons and Dragons yes and Stern just came out with that um we said Harry Potter might be a thing but we said it wasn't going to happen last year and it didn't we were correct on that we said maybe Evil Dead yeah maybe an evil dead we named a couple of them but we said maybe Evil Dead uh we even said pinball Brothers we didn't know what they're working but we heard about a Euro European band I thought it was a bad idea yeah we said Barry alur's last game was going to get be next for American pinball and we said it was wasn't going to be a good seller based on weird food truck food based theme then we ended up getting barbecue challenge which is different but we were close the different sweet close and then uh we also got correct we said Dennis Nordman was working on another chapter of Whitewater we can't confirm that's correct because it hasn't public but we that's what he's working on yeah it hadn't been released yet don't know if it's going to be released um there's some things that we said you know he may Master of the Universe would be cool game by Stern uh I did kind of expect that yeah I did we did also say that we're going to see another Marvel yeah game but we just not last year but you know this didn't know what it was going to be this past year it was on KY X thing we heard that it was going to be the the new based off the cartoon the the X-Men 937 97 sorry yeah that sort thing we said Journey was a rumbling I've not heard much more about I I it's popped back up really yeah I've heard like I've heard the the journey Rumblings again we thought jjp maybe doing a matrix or a Top Gun would be cool they didn't no none of that we'll talk about that in a little bit um we even thought Cactus can remake enhancement kit coming out last year it's going to be this year yeah uh Fifth Element we thought maybe cool from barrels I've heard that's not a thing yeah all right so let's jump into so we did pretty good last year the year before we did very good maybe we'll have an off year maybe we'll have an off year could maybe all these things will be wrong they could a few of them at least we don't like being wrong though no let's talk about Stern Pinball they're the big ones um Spike 3's got to happen this year right yeah I think so like you said just with with Metallica getting released having that components to it the the greated power spot it's coming it's coming okay uh and then we got Dungeons and D dragons early 2025 uh what might be next we so Pokemon still in the Rumblings it could be still here in Pokemon I don't know about next I'm just saying this year still here in the Pokemon Rumblings I'm I'm I'm thinking and we talked about this before Keith Elwin because everybody's anticipating what's Keith Elwin yeah he's been known as being the king of monsters before yeah we saw Gary Stern take a picture by King Kong at one of these licensing conference yeah lot of Internet Rumblings that one feels pretty actually hope it's true I had this conversation with somebody the other day you did yeah cuz we were we were talking about uh with them doing Dungeons and Dragons and whether that was a solid theme and everything and then we were discussing like the potential of Godzilla or not Godzilla but the potential of King Kong and I was like I'm actually excited about King Kong like I I Can't Tell You Why like if this is true like this is I kind of I kind of want that and but I told him I said I'm a big Universal guy so like I it kind of reses that yeah like I'm not a King Kong fan or anything but it resonates with me just because of that just the whole theme park me and you are huge on that exactly so like I'm excited about you he did Jaws and Godzilla so like it just sitting next to Jeremy Packer (Zombie Yeti) Yeti artwork Godzilla with the Jeremy Packer (Zombie Yeti) artwork King Kong yeah and and I know he's like king of monsters but I would love for him to keep doing like the universal like the whole yeah mmy I'm not just say I'm saying just Universal type like doing like back to the fure yeah doing something like back men and black men and black I would still think a men and black dude I don't know why you know what listen to this this is ridiculous but the world underglass would be just magical would be an ET oh yeah like absolutely did that I don't know if it's the best theme for but I would love it it's one of my fait I would too but again like Fast and Furious that's still might go over well you car stuur park Universal that's what I'm saying he's the Blockbuster man what I'm saying like that's what I want to see him continue with cuz now that sorts to resonate with me and it's like then I've got something to look forward to cuz whenever Godzilla came out we said that's a weird thing like okay it's iconic but it's not and he made it his own he made it iconic and it's like the greatest selling game that Stern has ever seen I think he could do the same with King Kong somebody asked me that they were like Godzilla or such and such and I said listen I said I'm going to be completely honest with you um anything that you because they were looking at buying their first pitball machine and I said Godzilla is probably one of the best game it might be the best game ever made I said so it's very hard for me when you're saying that the only thing to me that would beat it is saying that you like a theme better than it that would be it but it's still a good game yeah um sort of thing that's the only that's because you put anything up against that I'm not trying to sell you on that like we got hundreds of other games yeah we can sell you anything um but I'm just being honest from a standpoint yeah flipping out Timbo just took home my Godzilla oh did he finally get it yes he did he he was like he me he was like yeah man mind up I'm taking home God oh that's awesome nicely done uh Stern Pinball man Metallica remastered was a hit yes very good very what's next as a remastered so you hear Rumblings I know what I want and I know what I want are they the same thing cuz we actually haven't discussed this we haven't discussed it but what I want is what some of the Rumblings are the Rumblings are ghostbusters that's and I really want a I really want a g I want a Ghostbuster screen yes like that is one of my number one cuz I hate that I ever got rid of mine no think about inside are connected oh see so we get oh my God we get that all over again well so my only question is can't be that hard Spike already so this is what I get into it is it starts to get because we we know what happened with Metallica and why a lot of the art was changed I wanted to keep the art I'm fine with it I'm fine with them keeping I'm fine with them keeping the art but I'm curious of whether they will cuz I still think that's Jeremy's best package I I know that others will disagree but I still think that that is one of the best looking games he could not have done better this his most unique but will he revamp it is there going to be any changes because I still think that a lot of what happened and what what helped Metallica was the changes not just the LCD I think that it felt like an entirely different ref yes so are they going to do that if if it is GB honestly any game that they if they do anything with I've heard Ghostbusters I've heard uh ACDC Tron I've heard ACDC I'm not wild about it Tron I could probably take um I don't know what else that I would I would and then the things that we we do not think we're predicting will not happen is the Lord of the Rings yet gosh I think it may have in future but not yet I want that so bad um especially an upgrade LCD in that oh my gosh cuz the coloring everything fits so perfectly that's up there top five themes for me ever dude I think that that a it's just one of the best games ever made like that was one of those games that like before Godzilla that I would say you know it's not for everybody but this is a it's one of the most St games well we can say is Stern's got some good stuff coming not only in 2025 but 2026 as well and a couple of those we do know about so we can't say that um so we don't even want to predict because we can't but they're surprising I did not I didn't guess them to do some of these things but uh but 2025 is going to be solid 2025 it's a battle 2025 is a battle Jack pinball we told people last year Harry Potter wasn't going to happen it may be a thing but wasn't going to happen yeah will it happen this year 2025 we may all become Wizards is what I I I don't care I don't care who has that license honestly oh actually I do cuz there would be one or two companies but um I I I I just I want to see it done well like I I want to see that that done well can you ever do it well no I think it's going to be an uphill battle I think Whoever has that and whatever they do with it is always going to be an uphill battle because that is such a vast that movie it spans you is it what if it's not based ROM movies it is what what if it's I just everybody's got something built up in their head um I know what I have built up in my head how can you get all the assets though that's what I'm saying and there's just so much between quidditch between Hogs me between Hogs hog warts you know what you call me like there's just so there's so much vastness you know the Forbidden Force like like what do you choose to focus on weird for some the you brought up the Forbidden Force that's uh that's your mom's nickname it's been so long it's been so long so long oh my God find that whole rotten for so long maybe some Fighters there's all kinds of cigarette butt it's like a giant cigarette button monster like that weird ass white deer creatures oh I know deer that watches us all right so Harry Potter based on the films Eric Minor this is just a guess as to what we're hearing yeah it's going to be a tall order if true and that it's going to be tough it's Unique like I'm I don't know I'm excited man hope you get a big set of ball he does have you I mean not the f I don't know but he's he's confident and you're going to need that you're going to need that uh I think I think that's what we see if I'm guessing I hope so we never know for sure that's what I'm guessing I would like it do you think they have anything else this year no I still think it's going to be a one especially like listen if that's true okay listen if if if that's if that's not true March I still don't think they'd pull out two games I was going to say if Harry Potter is not true I could see them pulling out two games maybe no but that late no cuz we're already January already January um I think March if if Harry Potter do you think they'll increase price if Harry Potter's true no I don't think they can not yeah I don't think they can if Harry Potter's true though they're they're going to run that dude they're going to be so overwhelmed whoever makes Harry Potter is going to be so overwhelmed with [ __ ] orders I don't I don't think we're going to see a matrix from Jersey Jack I don't think we're going to see a top gun from Jersey Jack people people want them to have those two and I keep hearing Rumblings of it I'm just here to say I I don't think it's going to happen for some reason those two are just such good themes so any manufacturer got to go out and get those themes but I think they're just difficult assets are difficult I could Top Gun is well I know that family's rough to deal with well yeah I guess Tom Cruz is really hard I could see Top Gun though I could see that if there if there's no Harry Potter I could see a Top Gun I think a Top Gun could get done but it you know what has been a rumbling we didn't bring this up Sonic the Hedgehog originally people were talking about spooky having it and now the community is talking about Jersey Jack having which is a jersey I guess Jersey Jack does a lot of family stuff yeah but they've not done video game stuff mhm so I think Jersey Jack could do a I would like a Sonic oh my God like a lot if they do it right yeah I like McQuades though like that I know it's going to have to be different but I really that was done right because it was about the 16 bit 8 bit SE Genesis yeah the whole spinner thing like of Sonic like the ending of a level was fantastic you do the movies ah I think that's a missed opportunity I think it's a fail man I don't think the movies I don't think if anybody did Sonic and did the movies they the moves were fine they were fine they're fun but no that's not Sonic like you want to go some that's like that's like doing the Super Mario Brothers movie versus Super Mario Brothers dude that theme Super Mario that's what I'm saying like what if Stern has that se Sega like look listen Sonic is what built Sega so you cannot take like that's what people want that people just want Sega that's all they [ __ ] want they they want Sonic so anybody does Sonic oh I can too like the entire music so you cannot have the movie I don't give no no you need to refresh those animations I would I would rather have the Sonic cartoon pinball machine than I would the Sonic movie Jim car's good oh he's fantastic film is good no it's really good they're good but I don't want that you're competing you're wanting the Nostalgia exactly I think Super Mario movie might be a better fit for pinball than the Sonic movie 100% yeah who would do that so if Sonic was a jjp game who design it oh I don't I think one person makes a lot of sense it doesn't fit I don't feel like it's a world enough for Eric to do it describe what Sonic the Hedgehog is oh speed speed flow quick it sure is spooky pinball MH so they were rumored to have Sonic they I'm not hearing any Rumblings they have Sonic um but we we've heard a lot of spooky pinball Rumblings um and and they have for franie now so we we kind of keep that in mind too we know what franie likes we know what franie is draw right yeah sonic wouldn't be one of those things I couldn't imagine franie so the the r the rumor mill mhm they're talking about spooky having Goonies now coming next I've heard that oh I would like oh I would like a Goonies still we're a big advocate for Goonies like always you naysayers don't know what you're talking about and there's so much you could do with that pirate ships and what spooky has been doing with theme integration lately oh yes that's why I'm not mad I'm not mad if they have no now do they have it next who knows yeah who knows uh the other Rumblings we've talked about like what other horror based stuff could they do right could they do Nightmare on Elm Street they could yeah hopefully I I heard Friday the 13th I was talking to Kyle SMI who did the home brew yeah phenomenal home brew by the way that he did on that uh but he was saying that the license is nearly unattainable I've heard that too because of so many I I I tried a few a year or two ago tried to get it out out of spooky Luke and Bug like I I pushed them for Friday 13th and they kind of alluded the same thing like like they didn't give me a a yes or no but they kind of acted like that licensing was just all over the place with that thing yeah so but last year we talked about Child's Play that would be I told him Child's Play is that any Rumblings of it but no I'm not either but that was something I always like it it didn't cross my mind I didn't really think about it for a while and then I was like dude that would be great the colors everything would be just a beautiful campy but intriguing call outs from Brad dorf amazing like get it before he something happens to him so that he can good you know what I'm saying like you know what franie has done artwork for that I've got framed oh I've got I mean Beetle Juice yes yeah there's been some Rumblings I've heard but I've heard it for a while from I think that's an evergreen cuz people like oh it should have came out whenever I think it's Evergreen I think you come out with it this year you come out with it two three years from you come out with it I don't think that's bad I think that that's the only thing that I'm I'm curious of whether they really have it or they don't have it just because the rumors are spooky has some killer themes coming up yes uh and those would be Beetle Juice is a killer thing goon is a killer thing yeah yeah you know what's sad though it's like nothing there's nothing sad yeah yes there is there's a lot of sadness to it cuz either if even if either one of those are true we have a year to wait yeah it's true a year I'm fine pling Evil Dead until then oh yeah you know our evil Deads are getting close to shipping oh okay so that's uh that's spooky pinball maybe we'll do some video stuff maybe spooky it better be maybe we play it we need to go up there a whole day I just want to play for a whole day they do work spooky needs a theme song to to much of the Avail of the uh the spooky what's the what's the uh what's the song you know I'm talking about from Disney Grim Grinny ghost yeah why did I know what you were thinking they need they need a spooky theme song to that yeah to that whole thing like I want to see get to work get on that yeah chag gaming company um they still haven't shipped pul F like they's just now shipping pul fiction we know what's coming next it's another run of Medieval Madness remake yeah that would be exciting here's my prediction it will be the bestselling game in 20 oh I can't say that I was going to say say we have more desire for MMR than anything else on any interested list we have at flipping up but I feel like people feel that that's more solid I don't know I they're making a bold prediction that's prediction they could sell if they can make them they could sell 2500 medieval madnesses still I I'd buy 200 I would buy another one I would too I'm waiting to buy another one I know so that's all they're going to be doing next year uh the rumors of what's coming up next remake I've heard Rumblings Twilight Zone dud nice I like Twilight Zone I can see Doug really wanting to do the iconic Twilight Zone yeah I like that barels a fond I don't know yeah and I'm close to those guys and those [ __ ] don't tell me nothing like they will not they won't budge I know I I was still hopeful on on a Fifth Element I know happening maybe this is like maybe this is like wishful thinking but like I almost want to like Jim Carrey Manifest this to be true MH I've heard Rumblings that this license has been attained by someone okay and George Gomez kind of th George Gomez the one who said it in an interview said yeah this has been locked in we know Stern works with Marvel would they work with DC maybe barrels of fun has Superman oh man of steel I still think it'd be kind of cool like what we talk about it's just so nostalgic that as long as it's a good game that is I I'm fine with super remember Fran artwork on now I don't think they're going to get franchy cuz he's exclusive but yeah Superman would be an interesting rumbling and right and the the dark Market demographic too listen I still think a very dark deep Batman would be you still want another Batman I still do give me Batman 89 I'm good with that that's what I'm saying like I think something needs to be grittier barrels of fun do you have Superman you know what would be very fitting for barrels of fun now you bring that up it's like a a Batman 89 or a Batman Returns like that very much to me fits in their willhouse up to where it's can't be fun here's what we know here's what we know about my friends over at barels with fun David vanz A friend of mine he's very into like when he picked Labyrinth that's a he he has told me this I don't think he'd mind me saying this he said and with their future titles you're going to see more of Labyrinth kind of stuff they want to take things that are nostalgic that are close to and near to Dear to people and just make them so immersive they want to just bring immersion to pinball like never before and they did great they really want to focus in on the themes rather than chasing a big them with no assets just to stamp it on but I also think that's very intelligent um from a couple different aspects number one aspect is like I just was an elaborate person like I said still not but the amount of people that that we have talked to that are buying Labyrinth cuz like you said it's a hot seller number one in 2024 of a single a single model type game who's our best but it's there's so many people that's never owned a pinball machine never thought about it that bought Labyrinth for that L women very much so loved it um another thing is I think that they're almost following that spooky pinball model of what spooky did from to where I'm very comfortable building this many machines this is what we need to survive we're not shooting for 5,000 exactly we're not trying this because it's overwhelming it's too much like let's do this and do themes that are a little bit more progressed yeah yeah yeah that's that's just a little bit pulled back so I know he likes hints and stuff I know he likes theme park stuff cuz he and I have a aity for Disney and Universal kind of Stu so H interesting but yeah George Gomez said DC has been Inked by a manufacturer maybe he's just trolling and Stern Inked it but mhm pinball Brothers this is a new rumbling this again Don't Kill the Messenger didn't come from us but somebody said Predator no come on Arnold Schwarz oh I would love Arnold bro I mean but that's a huge license I don't know if I mean Dutch got freaking Back to the Future yeah man that would be neat though like the things that you can do with that man the history of pinball and Predator already Las dot there's so much you could I mean but that's what I'm saying that that's what kind of that is like a badass pinball theme that's what kind of makes me not know if that's really true because I think I think Fox and dealing with skip and everything that happened I feel like that that's that would be a license that would be very very difficult to get so like you know with Arnold hell yeah that super tough but saying pinball machines I know but just hearing the like I don't know I don't know I'm just glad that that's the Rumblings rather than a European based I don't know if I'd put much CLA in it American pinball I don't know we've heard a cou cuphe head that's the strongest rumbling and I heard it's decent yeah yeah that's that's what I've heard but as they're kind of a little shaky over there Dutch pimble Greg Back to the Future here's my prediction we're still not going to see it this year no I don't think we'll see this there was Rumblings that like they were going to talk with other companies like jjp or Stern Pinball to help manufacture it for them oh because it's going to Back to Future is going to they D can't build I think that's going to be big 10 years do big boun and even then it had issue like mhm Dutch come on and we that uh Cam and cow was the one that entered in and really kind of helped them what we've heard kind of behind the scenes was they got back to the future and didn't have much attached to it besides the name and then cam andow was like let me help you out here because he's really good bu Bob Gil that you know does all the Back to the Future well Camal is just a master at obtaining some of that stuff he the license extraordinary yeah like I'm always impressed with him and do we see Fran on up there gr she supposed to be exclusive I know a spooky I don't know interesting Dutch just come on like just make a ton of money and just sell it take a per unit cut become wealthy and move forward I just want to see it I just want to see it produced make magic girl or something come on see it made padr gaming okay they just teased on social media 2025 is going to be magic oh oh but here the here's the Trixie thing so you would think theater imag yeah that's where my mind went but on the picture it had a flying carpet and it had tents down below so some people are like well flying carpet that's Tales of Arabian Knights yeah but then tents some people are like that's circus voler with the circus tents but I would actually say I think they're teasing tales of the Arabian Knights okay really do because you've got got the magic carpet which man guys that was straight from that's a Disney that's that's the carpet on the laddin so be careful there and then the tents people are saying for C no the harms and stuff in Tails Arabian kns they were in tents like the mystery award you going into a tent tent yes exactly I think we're getting I think we're getting tals I just don't know when because you got padr still making fun houses they're going to be making those through April May but they're also building pinball Brothers stuff so while pinball Brothers is probably not building anything maybe pinball brother is already starting their next build whatever that game is but they're all kind of housing the same thing so if we did we probably wouldn't see it till year next year Greg bone if half of those things happen in 2025 that would be ginormous it would be it would be Monumental yeah and I would be poor I want to buy all of that I well no but then again we'd sell allot units so I'd make money but do you know what would happen I'm a bad dealer cuz I use my own drugs a Harry Potter and a Goonies came I still really want King Kong or Beetlejuice and King Kong oh and Back to the Future oh [ __ ] back to the future is going to be the F A that's so bad and that's that's just Rumblings I know there's probably stuff that's going to happen that we don't even know I don't know what i' said what if what if like what if barrels did something like Gremlins or something screw Predator it's just too much 2025 y'all get ready God here it comes and when you're ready to buy them all you've got to do is go flipping out pinball that's it yeah and you know what you can email me at Zack Z fliping out pinball.com or even Greg g g yep at fliping out pinball.com and you got a phone they can text you oh yeah they can text you they can email you whatever [ __ ] talk to me you know what 2025 get flipping out pinball chance if you haven't why not yeah right yeah bye bye bye bye bye we're going to buy a straight down the middle again mle again you had a fling with a slingshot you're rolling out the out all [Applause] again like Eminem just wearing a white te hi my name is I is who my name is what I still want that game I still m& I only one I would take is a Snoop Dog I would really like a snoop it's I mean Snoop just cuz Snoop you can do so much with the dog pound just everything it's just so neat yeah yeah it lends itself it lends itself very well that's what I'm saying Dre doesn't really lend itself everybody wants wuang and I'm like no what the [ __ ] you going to do with wuang people love I don't no I mean I like wuang Wu Tang's fun but I'm saying just what would you do I I like the Snoop experience just at least wuang is like ninja martial arts stuff it it does it does but I still just think remember that game Death Jam the fighting game it was like oh my God good yes it's like in the in the video game world that's a rare bird but it's super expensive to find one of those is it yeah I remember that was great like yeah that's [ __ ] solid good stuff neat