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Episode 95 – Use Your Back Not Your Brain

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·held·Jun 13, 2018
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt #95: Raymond Davidson wins again; industry expansion and upcoming games discussed.

Summary

In episode 95 of the Slam Tilt Podcast, hosts Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale interview two-time IFPA world champion Raymond Davidson about his recent tournament wins in Canada and the Northwest, his experiences at various pinball shows, and Bruce's restoration projects. The episode covers tournament circuit updates, emerging games like Stargazer and Kingpin, and industry news including American Pinball expansion plans, Spooky's second game in development, and Deep Root Pinball upcoming unveiling at Texas Pinball Festival.

Key Claims

  • Raymond Davidson is a two-time consecutive repeating IFPA world champion

    high confidence · Ron Hallett introduces Raymond as 'two-time repeatable, consecutive repeating IFPA champion' at start of episode

  • Keith Elwin won the Northwest The Pinball Show tournament and is returning to competitive play

    high confidence · Ron and Raymond discuss Keith Elwin winning the Northwest tournament, with Raymond noting 'I think it was again' and mentioning Elwin said he's 'going to start playing in more tournaments again'

  • American Pinball is building 30-35 games per week and has secured a new facility three times the size of their current building

    high confidence · Ron cites Joe Balcer of American Pinball discussing production at Northwest Pinball and Arcade Show: 'They're building about 30 games per week, 35 games per week... they have secured a new building three times the size of their current building'

  • American Pinball is starting to send games overseas

    high confidence · Ron reports from Joe Balcer: 'They're starting to send games overseas'

  • Joe Schober (formerly Alien designer) is joining American Pinball

    high confidence · Ron states: 'Joe Schober... He was working on the Alien team... is going to be joining American Pinball'

  • Spooky Pinball confirmed Scott Denise is working on a second game

    high confidence · Ron reports: 'Spooky has confirmed that Scott Danesi is working on a second game'

  • Deep Root Pinball will unveil at Texas Pinball Festival next year and has design team including Dennis Nordman, John Popadiuk, Jon Norris, and Barry Oursler

    medium confidence · Ron mentions: 'They're going to unveil that at Texas next year, supposedly' and lists team members found via Pinball Profile podcast

  • Next year's IFPA world championship will be held in Italy

    high confidence · Raymond confirms: 'next year is going back to Europe... it's going to be in Italy'

Notable Quotes

  • “I'm not going to go. I'm going to go home and play my WWE LE”

    Raymond Davidson @ ~28:00 — Raymond explains why he left the Northwest tournament early despite being in contention, prioritizing rest over competition

  • “I think it was this guy, Keith Elwin. Oh, again? I think it was again.”

    Raymond Davidson / Ron Hallett @ ~30:00 — Humorous exchange reflecting Keith Elwin's dominant tournament performance at Northwest show

  • “I'm coming out of retirement... His retirement where he won, like, a Pinburgh and a bunch of other majors, you know, his semi-retirement.”

    Raymond Davidson @ ~33:00 — References Keith Elwin's return to competitive play after a period of reduced tournament participation

  • “They're building about 30 games per week, 35 games per week... they have secured a new building three times the size of their current building”

    Ron Hallett (citing Joe Balcer) @ ~60:00 — Major business expansion news for American Pinball indicating significant production scaling

  • “The tightest shots ever. They're building about 30 games per week, 35 games per week.”

    Ron Hallett (citing Joe Balcer on Houdini) @ ~60:00 — Joe Balcer's assessment of Houdini's shot design and American Pinball's production capacity

  • “It's unforgettable. Yeah. It's a different kind of game. It's like not – I wouldn't call it pinball.”

    Raymond Davidson @ ~45:00 — Raymond's critical assessment of Orbiter's atypical gameplay mechanics

  • “You've got to get there early. You've got to get that 30 minutes early pass and run over to the kingpin.”

    Ron Hallett @ ~95:00 — Strategy for playing Kingpin at California Extreme due to high demand

  • “I don't want to be surprised. But, I mean, Bruce already knows the next 20 titles, right? About six.”

    Ron Hallett / Raymond Davidson — Humorous exchange about leaks and insider knowledge of upcoming games in the industry

Entities

Raymond DavidsonpersonRon HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonKeith ElwinpersonJoe BalcerpersonJoe SchoberpersonScott DenisepersonDennis Nordmanperson

Signals

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Raymond Davidson confirmed as two-time consecutive IFPA world champion with recent wins in Canada and Europe

    high · Episode introduces Raymond as 'two-time repeatable, consecutive repeating IFPA champion' and discusses recent Canada championship win and next year's Italy championship

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Joe Schober, formerly of Alien design team, joining American Pinball as designer

    high · Ron reports: 'Joe Schober... He was working on the Alien team... is going to be joining American Pinball'

  • ?

    business_signal: American Pinball expanding production to 30-35 games per week and securing new facility 3x current size

    high · Joe Balcer statements: 'They're building about 30 games per week, 35 games per week... they have secured a new building three times the size of their current building'

  • $

    market_signal: American Pinball beginning to export games overseas

    high · Ron reports: 'They're starting to send games overseas'

  • ?

    product_launch: American Pinball developing toppers and knocker kits for Houdini

    high · Joe Balcer discussion: 'they'll probably be coming out with a topper or two and a knocker kit'

  • ?

    machine_intel: Spooky Pinball confirmed to have second game in development by Scott Denise

Transcript

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0:00
And what would be the basis of this sexual harassment suit? She keeps harassing us by, you know, giving us stiffies. Yeah, yeah. Like, um, like just yesterday when she was writing something, I could, like, lean over and, like, I could check out part of her boobs. I see. Uh, tell me, is the young lady in question, uh, well off financially by chance? Uh, I don't know. She never talks to us because, like, she's one of those rich chicks. Yeah.
0:30
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, a show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale.
0:50
Frankenstein cheetah. Picked up another cheetah, didn't you? Yes, I did. We'll talk about that. I can't help it. And this is episode 95, Iron Man 2.
1:04
No, it's Whiplash and War Machine. This is the one the game is based off of. Almost people realize that the pinball machine is actually Iron Man 2. That's the title when you boot it.
1:17
But we're not alone this week, Bruce. Yes, we have a winner with us. We have a winner. Which obviously ain't us because we were not selected again. We're not worthy. Yeah, we'll get into that. But we have a guest. We do. Now the two-time repeatable, consecutive repeating IFPA champion. We talked him the first time last year at this time. We got him back again, of course. He's becoming one of our regulars, Mr. Raymond Davidson. Hey. What's up, sir? Good evening. Not a whole lot. Thank you. Before we went on the air, Raymond was wondering if we were having anyone else on, you know, another clusterfuck, and I said, no way. So, it's just the three of us.

  • Eric Stone won both the Classics and main tournament at Pinvasion (Southern Fried Gaming Expo) back-to-back for two years

    high confidence · Ron reports: 'Eric Stone won the Classics, and he won the main... Back-to-back both, which he did last year'

  • Kingpin was displayed at the Southern Fried Game Room Expo in Atlanta

    high confidence · Ron states: 'Kingpin was at the Southern Fried Game Room Expo... those guys are based out of Atlanta'

    • @ ~75:00
    John Popadiuk
    person
    [name withheld pending review]person
    Eric Stoneperson
    American Pinballcompany
    Spooky Pinballcompany
    Deep Root Pinballcompany
    Chicago Gaming Companycompany
    Stern Pinballcompany
    Houdinigame
    Oktoberfestgame
    Star Gazergame
    Kingpingame
    [name withheld pending review]game
    Texas Pinball Festivalevent
    Northwest Pinball Showevent
    Pinvasionevent

    high · Ron states: 'Spooky has confirmed that Scott Denisey is working on a second game'

  • ?

    announcement: Deep Root Pinball planning major unveiling at Texas Pinball Festival with established design team

    medium · Deep Root Pinball has assembled design team including Dennis Nordman, John Papaduke, Jon Norris, Barry Osler; planned Texas Pinball Festival unveiling mentioned

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Keith Elwin winning Northwest Pinball Show tournament and announcing return to regular tournament competition

    high · Raymond confirms Elwin 'won the world championship' and 'he's coming out of retirement... His retirement where he won, like, a Pinburgh and a bunch of other majors'

  • ?

    event_signal: Eric Stone won both Classics and main tournament at Pinvasion for second consecutive year

    high · Ron reports: 'Eric Stone won the Classics, and he won the main... Back-to-back both, which he did last year. Two years.'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Stargazer playfield design has potential balance issue with inlane mechanics encouraging spinner shots over drop target variety

    medium · Raymond suggests design improvement: 'instead of having the inlanes light the right and left spinners, have the left bank light the left spinner, the right bank light the right spinner'

  • ?

    product_concern: Orbiter 1 has non-intuitive ball physics where playfield curves don't match visual representation, making gameplay unpredictable and frustrating

    high · Raymond: 'the hardest part about that game is the curves don't match the curves of what it looks like. So the ball just does all sorts of crazy stuff.' He suggests painting field lines to help visualize curvature

  • ?

    venue_signal: Sanctum venue hosting pin golf tournament with diverse classic pinball lineup (Old Chicago, Hulk, Frontier, Alien Poker, Stern's Pinball)

    medium · Bruce describes playing pin golf at Sanctum venue less than two hours away with multiple classic machines in competitive format

    • 2:03
    Yeah, okay, it's a threesome, Bruce. Oh, my. Okay, so you were bored last week. You went to Canada, and you kind of played in a great place to play at, Adam Becker's, what was the name of his place? Press Start. Yes. and you fell in love with the game there, I heard. Yeah, that was the first time I think I put a lot of time in on a stargazer. Have you guys heard of this game? Yeah, I think I have one at my location.
    2:34
    It's got this cool, it's got like three sets of drop targets and three spinners, and like even extra targets for good measure, and a bumper or two. Like, it's got a lot. The only thing I would do to make that game perfect would, instead of having the in lanes light the right and left spinners, have the left bank light the left spinner, the right bank light the right spinner, like for one time. So you have to actually do something. That's actually a good idea. Interesting. Yeah, you should pass it along to Scott. That would probably be doable. I think you just take a different switch input. Because then you don't have to worry about people cheesing the lanes. You could just disable them or whatever or do what you do with your shallow flippers or But basically, in order to light those spinners, you've got to shoot those drop targets, because otherwise I didn't see a good reason to go after the other drop targets. Well, the middle one you want to hit sometimes, of course. Right, to lock in your spinner or collect it. Yes, or collect it if you get the lowest one, yeah. Yeah. The outer ones are for the multipliers. Okay, so maybe once you get some ball time, you start going after those. Once you get your Zodiac, start getting your Zodiac completed. Those are all those other stand-ups all over the place. That's when you want to get the multipliers up. And if you have it so they stay up, then you're really doing well, and your bonus is later on in ball two and ball three. Okay. You mean the incorrect settings? Yes, the incorrect settings. You get like 10x on ball one, and it stays for the whole game. Exactly. So you're getting like $200,000 in bonus even if you don't do anything? Well, doesn't it reset your Zodiac or no? No, it doesn't reset the Zodiac. There's no Quicksilver setting where it'll keep the x but not the bonus? I don't think so. No, it always keeps the Zodiac. Yes, it always keeps the Zodiac. Even on the alternate ROMs, it always keeps the Zodiac. The Tita here kept your bonus X across balls, which is the Zodiac. That's a setting. That's a dip switch setting. I wasn't a fan of that. No, I'm not a fan of that either. I once got like 5X at a Rock Fantasy tournament because I just, my extra ball, you have to plunge extra balls. So I plunged hard and it just hit the pop bumper and literally completed the bank twice without me doing anything. I'm like ball one, and I had five X for the rest of the game. So that was nice. That's pretty nice. Yeah. But that wasn't the nicest thing that happened to IFPA for you. No, there was other cool outcomes of that evening.
    5:03
    Like you won the world championship, so you're two-time champion. Yeah. You won a game. But wait a second. Hold on. He doesn't get a belt.
    5:13
    He's getting both. He's getting a belt, though. WWE belt yeah limited edition by Stern Pinball we know brother we still have like 30 of these dude we're going to be giving away forever brother yeah are you winning 5 or 6 more of these it's going to be really high I think well we'll see it depends on if Keith Elwin makes his way to one of these
    5:45
    He's too busy designing. He's too busy designing? Well, he's in between games. He's doing ideas. He's going to start ramping up soon. Yeah. I was really happy with the event with the Buffalo guys streaming. Even with the limited connection, I think they did a great job. I was really happy that people were able to see it live. Of course. That was the great thing about it. Limited connection? That's being kind. Yeah, that was being kind. That was like the worst internet ever. That was like satellite internet. I think it was satellite internet. Oh, God. Oh, good Lord. I wonder if it was that bad. Scary. Very, very scary. I was bummed, though. It's hard because they can only follow one match at a time, right? So they didn't actually get to me until the finals. But against Trent, there was some pretty epic battles. I did the save on Funhaus out of that left out lane, which I didn't think was savable, but it was like desperation ball three, just shove it and get it back into play. And everyone was watching, and I shook it into the in lane, shot the lock for the multi-ball, and everyone cheered and clapped. It was pretty cool. Nice. Very nice. So you won again in Canada. So now you've won in Europe and Canada. So you actually haven't won in the U.S. yet. No. And you won't for next year either because next year is going back to Europe. It's going to be in Italy. Yes. Yeah, that'll be a fun trip. It'll be an expensive trip, but I have to go. You know, I've got to be the first person to do three in a row or at least try to do three in a row. That'd be cool. I guess Daniele's won it like five or six times. I thought it was four. Four? Okay. I thought it was four. I thought five seemed a little high. Yeah, I thought it was four. It's mentioned during the stream that he's won it four times. Did you guys catch in the finals when Jack Tadman and Levy were commentating and Jack just could not get a word in edgewise? I felt so sorry for him. Well, Jack's quiet and soft-spoken, and then you have Levy who is – Very quiet and soft-spoken. Yeah. Maybe not. Jack would be trying to say something very insightful and very, like, profound, like, good rules info, and Levy would just, oh, my God, oh, he's going to beef town, you know, whatever he says. Beef town. It's a metaphor. It's Passover on Attack for Mars or something. I don't know.
    8:14
    Beef town. Yikes. Oh, man. They are in love with that whole beef thing. They are. Oh, man. So, yes, it's going to be in Italy next year. I guess maybe – do I get in automatically? I'm Italian. Yeah, believe it or not. My mother's side of the family, Labello is the family name. So don't let the Hallet fool you. I'm more Italian than anything else. So when do I get in? I should just have automatic entry.
    8:44
    Well, you might. I mean, I don't know how many people are going to fly to Italy for this tournament, so the cut line might be pretty low. I'd have to get a passport. I don't have one of those. I used mine today. I mean, you could just pull the Jeff Teolis and fly there and pray for somebody to show up. Yeah. We should call that the Teolis. you hear that Steve Bowden that's in your dictionary the Teolas when you just show up at a tournament hoping someone drops out so you can get in it's the Teolas I like that so anything else going on Raymond how was your weekend this weekend yeah I mean this weekend was the Northwest show I was kind of pinballed out what the thing to note here because I got confused with this There's two things called the Northwest. There's a Northwest show, and then there's the actual Northwest tournament.
    9:42
    Northwest Football Championships. I always get that confused. Which one is this again? So this was the show one. Yes, this is the show one.
    9:52
    It's tied. It's at the show. There's hundreds of people. It's a match play format with some crazy finals format on Sunday. but it's like it's not unlimited it's like you get one or two shots and that's it it's pretty brutal I think that each there's like four qualifying sessions and each of them has like 60 or 70 people for seven spots it's pretty nuts so you won that right?
    10:24
    no I won on Friday because I was doing a little seminar with Robert Gagno the Clash of Champions I think it's on YouTube. Search like Geek Gamer TV or something.
    10:37
    That was a fun little thing I did with Robert. We basically played some Attack from Mars for a crowd, and yeah, it was pretty entertaining. But anyway, I went down there for that, and then I did one qualifying run, and I got four out of five games, and I was already mathematically not live. So I just went home. It was already like 10.30 p.m. so like if I played the last game it would have been like 11 30 p.m and then I would have got home at like 12 30 and I was just tired and it's like an hour away from my house it's down in Tacoma and I live in Everett so it's like an hour and five or hour and ten minutes each way if with good traffic yeah with no traffic right it took me two and a half hours from Bellevue after work on Friday to go like 29 miles or something ridiculous so yeah I just decided wait a minute I don't actually have to play in this like I can just not go to this tournament like I know it was weird like because I was dreading like the drive and getting up early and like the fear of what if I don't make it and like I was like well I could just not go and like he said like I'm not going to go I'm going to go home and play my WWE LE yeah Yeah.
    11:56
    Yo, brother. Where is that WWE? It is on its way to someone in Oklahoma. All right. Nice. Yeah. Ta-da.
    12:09
    So who won the Northwest tournament? I think it was this guy, Keith Elwin. Oh, again? I think it was again. Didn't he face, like, some Bowen guy in the finals again? Yeah. It was funny. It was the final three for some reason. It was him, Bowen, and our local guy, Todd Rafix. Everyone was, of course, rooting for Todd. But, you know, Elwin just stomped like he usually does. I, Chihuahua. So congrats, the one. Yes. Yep. Is successful again. Saw his trophy on the hotel shelf. I'd be scared because, I mean, on head-to-head, he pretty much said, like, yeah, I think I'm going to start playing in more tournaments again. Oh, I know. I heard that, too. Yeah, he's coming out of retirement. His retirement where he won, like, a Pinnberg and a bunch of other majors, you know, his semi-retirement. So there you go.
    13:05
    I hate good players. They annoy me. Except you, Raymond. You're cool. So that wasn't the only show. This was like show weekend. It was. You had the Northwest show. So then if you go over a little bit and, I guess, down a little bit, you have the Colorado show, the Rocky Mountain Pinball Showdown, I think it's called. And I didn't see anyone know if there was any tournaments or who won that. I didn't hear anything. I mean, I didn't hear anything. Yeah, I have no idea. I'd have to ask Adam Lefkoff or some other Colorado local. I did ask him. He's still talking.
    13:43
    You get that? I thought that was good. Come on. Then we had, on the East Coast, in Atlanta, or was it Atlanta? It's in Georgia. I think it's in Atlanta. It's the Southern Fry Gaming Expo. Yes. Which I can't believe I haven't been to this yet. You know why?
    14:02
    They have pro wrestling matches at this thing. I didn't know either. Yeah. How could I not have been to this thing? Yeah, they actually have in one of the rooms, they have actual pro wrestling. I did not know that. Is this the same as Pinvasion? It is Pinvasion. Yep. Which confused me because I was looking for the Never Drains link, trying like every iteration of Southern Fright Gaming Expo 2018 and couldn't find it. Yeah, just message Evan Bingham. He's always on that. Yeah. And they got freaky here. They used PV because it's Pinvasion, but they didn't use the year. They used PV5. Oh. That totally threw me off, so I finally found it. And that was a circuit event.
    14:46
    That's the one they have to get done on time. Because, like, everybody gets shut off at 3 o'clock on Sunday if they're not done. Oh, yeah, that's the same as the Northwest Pinball Show. So they had it, I think, it's the same as last year. Eric Stone won the Classics, and he won the main. Wow, really? Back-to-back both? Back-to-back both, which he did last year. Two years. Yeah, two years in a row. and was streamed by Papa TV, so we got the full, like, the replays and all that other stuff. Oh, God, I can never see, because they're on YouTube, right? Yes.
    15:23
    I never see any Twitch notifications or anything. I would love to watch that. I was, like, basically doing nothing this weekend because I decided to just chill at home. That would have been great to watch. So, yeah, I was watching that. That was cool. It was good because I got the TV down in the game room, so just play pinball while watching more pinball. Yeah. Well, I'll have to look up some of the finals then. Although, I guess, spoiler alert, Eric Stone won it. That's the problem when you kind of know one. It's like, okay. Okay, next.
    15:56
    Unless someone had a ridiculous game or something where I have to see it. Oh, yeah, I love watching. Wasn't there the legendary Metallica battle where both players got over 200 million or something? Yep. I like the stupider things. It was like the one game Keith Owen had of Dirty Harry. Like the greatest game of Dirty Harry ever recorded.
    16:18
    I think that was that. Oh, with Robert Gagno at InDesk? Yes, yeah, it was InDesk, yep. Yeah. Where it was just insane. That was an epic Games All Around InDesk. I remember there was like a Whitewater where last place was like 400 million or something. Like, just crazy. It is crazy. Damn crazy players. Damn you people. Making it all you. Hard for me. Yeah.
    16:42
    Oh, hard. We apologize. Bruce is tired. I'm exhausted, guys. I've been up since 3 o'clock, and the night before I worked. Well, I worked till 12 the night before, so I got three hours of sleep. So why, pray tell, did you get up so early on your day off, Bruce? My day off. Segway, segway, segway. I took a drive. Oh, another drive. Did you go to Arkansas this time? No, Michigan. And I got White Castles. Ugh. Prepping for that TTI. I am. Ugh, that's disgusting. That no one's invited to yet. Nope. Well, no, everyone's invited to except us. Except us. We suck. They have two more invitees. Yep. We got shut out again. They had the Riptide podcast is in and the Meltdown podcast is in. Yep. I mean, they just literally started. They're on episode, like, three. They have six episodes between the two of them. Yes.
    17:43
    I mean, come on. One of them was not really, like, yeah, the Meltdown is its own thing entirely. I don't even know. It is its own. It's like the avant-garde of podcasts. You never know what you're going to hear. Yeah. Anyway, so what was Bruce doing at White Castle at three in the morning? I left the house at three. 45. I went through Canada, so I went through the land of the redhead, and got to Michigan around 10 o'clock, and I picked up another cheetah project. Another cheetah? Yes. Blue cheetah. And I've now come to the assumption that every cheetah in storage was a mouse's home, because this one's got a little damage to the bottom, but not as bad as the other one. So I gotta clean this one up I gotta work The head's a little The head's worse than my other head This head's worse than my other head Oh my But if I get this one working I don't know if I'll have a blue bottom With a black top or blue and blue Or black and black I haven't decided yet Franken-cheetah It is a Franken-cheetah That's a great idea I like that But this one came with a play field, this cheetah. Also, so I have a parts cheetah. I also have my NOS play field, and I have my really good play field from Arkansas. Plus, I have two black heads and a black body, and I have a body from an orbiter. A body from an orbiter? Yeah. Why? Because it's a Y-body. Yeah, but it says just Stern on it. Oh, no, no, no. Think of the possibilities. I now have a perfect stencil box so I can stencil those so I can make my other cabinet for Dragon Fist. That is a wasted cabinet I have. And then when the cabinet's on the orbiter, it's perfect. All right. So maybe I'll be going the opposite way. But I couldn't pass this up because it had all the wiring in it. It's even got a knocker, Ron.
    19:58
    Do any of these Cheetah playfields have in lanes that aren't trashed? No. No? I still need yours to copy your metal ones so I can make plastic ones.
    20:09
    If you see the way I have Frankenstein in there, it's not pretty. It's better than what I have, which is crap.
    20:18
    So, Raymond, have you ever played an Orbiter? Orbiter 1? Orbiter 1. Yes. What did you think of that game?
    20:28
    Unforgettable. Yeah. It's a different kind of game. It's like not – I wouldn't call it pinball. It's like – man, I don't know what it is, but it's not pinball. It's like – it fools you into thinking it's pinball, but it's not. Not at all. It's terrible.
    20:50
    There was a YouTube video of a guy playing it in a skillful way. There is a technique, believe it or not. No way. Yes. Why? I would seek it out because I've never seen it played at this level before, but this guy literally had the playfield memorized. He was actually getting traps, which I didn't even think were possible. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because the hardest part about that game is the curves don't match the curves of what it looks like. So the ball just does all sorts of crazy stuff. I would love to play one with a non-clear playfield. So you paint lines or something so you can actually see the curvature of the playfield and maybe react to it a little better. interesting possibly or we just set them on fire because they suck no we saved the cabinets oh yes right saved the cabinets and the wiring and the flippers on the flippers all the parts the one thing it's got going for it though is the infinite ball save so everyone gets an equal amount of badness it depends on the ROM It does depend on the ROM. Because there is a Scott ROM for that, too, that just makes it a standard three-ball game. Oh. Yep. That's the version I was used to playing because I always played it at his house. I didn't even realize there was a timed version.
    22:13
    The first time I played that, it's like, why am I keep getting the ball? I don't understand. Stop it. The thing I remember about that is the shooter rod is so low. It's so low in the game. And it has to have a light on there that tells you to shoot. Yes. Shoot, pinball. That's what I have to change. If I was going to have to use that cabinet, I'd have to fill that hole in to make a new one. That's right. I just thought about that. Yep. You're correct. I knew that. But that's easy. And if you had a, let's see, if you had a Viper, you'd have extra holes for the flipper buttons. Oh, my. Yes. Oh, my.
    22:47
    See, there's not many. Did you know, I played a Viper this weekend. So sorry. I was at the Sanctum. What were you doing there? They had like a pin golf thing going on during their league finals. It was open to anyone. And since they're like less than two hours away, I said, what the hell?
    23:08
    And I got in and then got destroyed in the first round of the playoffs. Was eliminated. Playoffs? Playoffs. Yeah. I had to play. Oh, God, what did I have to play? I played Old Chicago, so I was excited. and they did a thing where everything's on five ball and if you don't get the score, they have like a chart up there on how many strokes you get. Three shot close bar. So on Old Chicago, I'm so pissed. I'm on ball five. I still don't have the score yet. And I make this wicked shimmy save, just literally just save it from death. Then it goes right into the bonus collect all at the top and I thinking like I got to have this I got this right This is the perfect scenario Everything happened awesomely And then I drain and I think the score was 50K and I had like 49 Oh. So six for me, unfortunately. What sucks on those older games is sometimes those reels, you know, you can't really trust them. So it's like maybe you did have it. Maybe, yeah. Did it skip? Did it miss? Yeah. Actually, it was giving extra points. So they had everyone playing like one player. That was it.
    24:25
    On 300, or I guess it's called top score, the one that was at New York City Champs? Yeah, the two-player. That one would give you an extra bonus about 50% of the time, because the bonus is tied to the physical ball kicking over. Yes. And sometimes it would be like, ch-chunk, ch-chunk, and then it would do an extra ch-chunk for no reason. but it was like 50-50 on whether you get that extra bonus or not. Extra cha-chunk. I got to remember that one. So I don't know if Old Chicago has a similar bonus countdown, but I guess not because it doesn't have the balls. No. No, no. Just gives you the. No, but I, yeah, I failed. And then I got to play Hulk. Hulk? Which one? The old one? Yes, the Cotley piece of shit. Yeah. Ugh. Exactly. Those games were really bad, Bruce. They're so unsatisfying. And the sounds are so bad on those games. And don't they just play random bonus multipliers all over the place? Like, the most valuable things to be doing in those games just kind of happen by accident. You just roll over something. Hey, look, I got a bonus multiplier. Yay! Yeah, that killed me, unfortunately. We played Frontier. I did okay at that. Crickets. Yeah, crickets. Got to hear a lot of crickets. I got to get the right flipper out of their game. Because they have one bally flipper and one stern flipper. And you'd be happy to give them two ballys, wouldn't you? Yeah, I'd bring a bally over, like, can I have your stern, please? Then I played alien poker. Oh, well, that's good. So that went better. But, no, the Hulk thing killed me. Yeah, Hulk would kill me also. But I found another old stern that I really liked.
    26:14
    Hmm? It has the most original name ever, Bruce. Oh, I played that at IFPA. I know what you're talking about. It's actually amazing. I love it. I was super impressed. Okay, go on. What game would that be?
    26:29
    Stern's Pinball. Yes. Oh, I love Pinball. Pinball rocks. Probably the hardest game in the world to find parts for or any sort of info about when you Google it. Well, I love Pinball. Then you can get it two ways. You can get the solid state or the EM. Yeah, this was the solid state, and it's got the cool awards on the right, which move when you hit certain switches. Yep. So you want to try to get, like, the double bonus is good. The best one is the light top hole, and if you get it in the top hole, it's triple. Nice. Yeah, it's a good game. Yeah, it's a great game. I'm surprised they haven't played it in a tournament at all. That right, like, bonus hole thing, all those things are good. It's just, like, the money hole. Like, you just get good stuff for going in there. Like, none of them are really bad. It's the money hole, Bruce. It's the money shot. I think that's a good title, the money hole.
    27:25
    Maybe not. No? We can make worse. We can make worse? Yeah, at first I was trying to figure out, like, okay, what determines the award? And then I kind of realized that it's pretty much the slingshots and all the little point switches that are all over the place. and there's one like right by it too that you hit, and it changes it multiple times. And it's like, okay, what awards are the best?
    27:49
    But, I mean, I want to see a max bonus collect on that thing because theoretically I think it goes up to 100K. If you got the top hole at three, that should be 300K. That would be insane for that game. It's like a six-digit game.
    28:03
    Wow, yeah, that would be. Yeah, that's what I was trying to do, but I do not have the full skill. Unfortunately, it looks like it took a dump at the end. It broke. It wasn't booting.
    28:13
    That's easy, though, because it is still an MP100. Well, it looked like it had an Alltech board in it when I saw he had the back glass on it. So, yeah, I think there was a power issue. I was disappointed. Like, damn it, my pinball broke. It's a good game. Yeah, I was surprised. I've liked that game for a long time. The artwork is horrible. I actually don't mind the artwork. Oh, yeah, it's horrible. Look at the slingshot plastics. I don't mind it. Oh, it's terrible. It's terrible. It's cute. Okay, I'll give you that. It's cute. Yeah, that's the thing. It's not like, wow, look at this series. Great game. It's a cute game. You're like, oh, wow, look.
    28:48
    Yay. So we all like pinball. That's good to hear. Yes. Pinball rocks. So want to do some news? Want to get to the news? Let's get to the news. News of the week. Peace of news.
    29:05
    It's actually kind of light. Most of it was involving, like, the shows, things that happened there. Like, did you know, and Raymond might know this, at the Northwest Pinball and Arcade Show, Joe Balser of American Pinball chatted about Houdini. I'll tell you this. It's the tightest shots ever. They're building about 30 games per week, 35 games per week. That's good. They're already out of space at their current facility, and they have secured a new building three times the size of their current building, which they hope to have up and running by the end of the year, if not earlier. Oh, my. They're starting to send games overseas.
    29:41
    And for Houdini, they'll probably be coming out with a topper or two and a knocker kit. Oh, knockers. And they talked about the second game, which is going to be Oktoberfest,
    29:53
    which they didn't confirm, but they didn't deny. And I'm at This Week in Pinball. Again, thisweekinpinball.com. Hi, Jeff. the source for all podcast pinball. Which Jeff is that? Oh, what's his last name?
    30:09
    Help me, Bruce. I'm going to have to look it up. It's This Week in Pinball's Jeff. Patterson. Jeff Patterson. There you go. Sorry. Carry on.
    30:21
    Joe Schober. For those who remember Alien, we'll know who that is. He was working on the Alien team. He's also part of the I believe, Virginia pinball scene.
    30:34
    And I believe he wrote the league software they use. So he is going to be joining American Pinball. Ta-da. A lot of good things happen at pinball. Like if certain names come up and they just all seem to be going to companies. All the best players are going to companies. Yep. I'm sure Raymond's interviewing with Stern and all these companies as we speak. I guarantee it. Bastard.
    30:58
    Let's see. and Spooky has confirmed that Scott Denisey is working on a second game. Yep. Let's see. There's a Joe Kamikow interview.
    31:10
    Drunk? No, he was not drunk this time. I heard he was doing exercise during it. He was doing exercise during it. He was actually on his treadmill while getting interviewed. Okay.
    31:24
    So I basically said it's going to be another project, which are coming out November, January-ish this year, another pinball. It'll be the second Kapow project with Stern. And there's another project they're working on now also that he acquired the license for. Oh, man, a lot of good pinball. A lot of games upcoming, and I hope to not know any of them. But unfortunately, we probably will. I don't want to be surprised. But, I mean, Bruce already knows the next 20 titles, right? About six. Okay. David Thiel exclusive to Deep Root Pinball found that out listening to Pinball Profile with Jeff Deolis so Deep Root let's see they have David Thiel he's the sound guy they have what Dennis Nordman Papa Duke John Norris who everyone seems to forget Barry Osler who else do they have that's it the design group And then you have a couple of mechanical engineers that have been doing Williams stuff and Stern stuff in the past. So, Raymond, are you ready for the five days of deep root? Deep rooting. What is that? That sounds intense. They're going to unveil that at Texas next year, supposedly. You mean like along with Chicago Gaming's third remake? Yeah, come on. I'm sure it'll come out soon.
    32:50
    It's Monster Bash anyway. Come on. Sorry, we blew that for you guys. Yeah, you fucked it all up for us. That's right. Wasn't it the Northwest show? They said it was going to be there. It's like the companies are like, no, you don't get the satisfaction of spoiling it. Now we're going to wait even longer to announce it.
    33:12
    We'll show you. Yeah. Kingpin was at the Southern Fried Game Room Expo. No surprise as those guys are based out of Atlanta. Yeah, I was about to say, aren't they based right out of Atlanta? So that ought to be a short drive.
    33:28
    So they had a short stream. Have you – actually, let's see. Would Raymond even get to play this? Unless Raymond went to California Extreme, he probably hasn't played this.
    33:38
    I don't think so. I remember seeing it at California Extreme, but I think there was always someone on it. That's why you've got to get there early. You've got to get that 30 minutes early pass and run over to the kingpin. Yep.
    33:50
    That's what me and Bruce used to do. All the time. Then you also have a picture of Alice Cooper's Nightmare Castle, the play field. Where it's got this super cool skeleton thing that you can't even see because it's like where the castle is. That seems kind of a shame. I don't know if you saw that. No, I didn't. Yeah, it's like a skeleton.
    34:11
    It looks cool, but it's like you could barely see it because the castle's like right there. Iron Maiden 1.0 code. I assume that's on the Iron Maiden at Silver Ball Saloon? Yes. 1.0. Yes, 1.0. Did anybody ever find out what the super secret skill shot is? I know exactly what it is. I got it already. Oh, okay. But let's see. We'll guess. I got it the right way, too. I was actually playing the game and got it accidentally. Wait a minute. You got it the right way because you were playing the game and got it accidentally. What would be the wrong way, Bruce? Well, if I opened the glass up and started hitting switches. Okay. All right. I heard a couple of theories on what it could be. I'm going to guess. Is it the Congo? No. So it's not the drain in the left? No. Damn. Okay. Raymond, would you like to guess? I thought it was the short plunge Shatz target, but I don't know. Nope. It's not that either. No. Is it a plunge and then shoot the inner loop and then hit the dead end target? No. You were close on the first one, Raymond Spoiler alert He's going to say what it is If you want to pass in the next 15 or 20 seconds Please turn off your volume now It is actually short plunging Getting in on a flipper And shatting the other lane Isn't that what I said? No, you said shatting going up to the target Just shatting the lane will do it What happened to me is When I short plunged it I caught it on the flipper and it rolled up and hit the switch and gave me the five million. You mean the 25 million? No, no, no. 25 if you get it a couple times.
    36:00
    Oh. Five million in the first time. I only got it once during the game. Oh, so you could theoretically plunge, instead of plunging the Congo, you could plunge the in lane. Is that sort of how it's intended? Or you can plunge, you can short plunge it, catch it on your flipper and hopefully it rolls up or catch it and then shats the shot. Right. I'm totally lost here. I'm picturing this. I have no idea what you're saying. Which flipper? Either one. You're getting the in lane, like you're doing on Quicksilver. Really? It's just shatsing it. That's it. Or just rolling over, you know, if it rolls over. What do you mean if it rolls over? Like, say you have so much momentum, and you try to catch the ball, but you don't catch it perfectly, and it goes up into the upper in lane, and it goes back down. you're actually, you know, you're chatting that same side. Really, you're, you know, you're catching it and it's going up the in lane and it comes back down and goes onto your flipper. As soon as it hits that in lane switch and you've hit nothing else, that's your super secret skill shot. And we took more than 25 seconds. So now people are going to be all pissed off of us.
    37:06
    A minute. It's a minute. Yeah, that'll work now that it's afterwards. Me and Kevin both got it. It was cool. I was like, oh, wow. But the only bad thing about that is you don't get an Eddie letter, and you don't get time, extra time for your ball save. You don't get any ball save? No. It's the same amount as your normal ball save, whatever's set with the game. When you get your regular, you know, when you go for the skill shot or the super skill shot, you get more time, not the secret. Right. So if you needed points and win, go for that. If you don't need it, I would never do it. It would be nice if you got the super secret skill shot and it set up Eddie automatically.
    37:52
    That would be kind of cool. Maybe in the next update there will be a super duper mega extreme skill shot. Super duper mega extreme.
    38:03
    I like that. The super duper mega extreme skill shot. That's the one from Simpsons Do It All Party and High Roller Casino. Yes. Oh, no. High Roller Casino? Love that game. Love it. We know. We know, Bruce. We know you love it.
    38:19
    That was about it. Okay, let's go home now. It's weird to say, like, not much to talk about when we have all these shows that happen. I know. Let's talk about a couple of other things from last week.
    38:34
    I want a couple of retractions of what I said. Last week I said that I thought possibly that Colin might have been doing what he was doing and, you know, trying to set up a shot. I looked at the video again. He wasn't.
    38:50
    And I watched the whole thing again. I watched it all and I was like, guess what? He wasn't wrong. He was actually, if anything, he was in the right because he didn't practice at a turn. That was Josh Sharp's argument for it. Yep. But, you know, shit happens.
    39:08
    It's not meant to, you know, it's not the end of the world. He wasn't doing it. He wasn't doing that. I watched it all again. I watched it. I was like, boy, he wasn't really setting up. He just played his practice.
    39:20
    It wasn't trying to set up the power ball. It just happened. And did it really benefit him? Not really. But people thought he did.
    39:31
    Aye, aye, aye. And your other retraction is? I'm beautiful. Okay. You're retracting that you're beautiful? Yes, I'm retracting I'm beautiful because I'm ugly.
    39:42
    All right. I have a tournament question. I have an opinion question. I wonder what people's opinions are on this. This is something that came up on tool forums. I didn't even know this was a thing. I had never heard of this happening, but I guess it does happen.
    39:59
    The whole, like, players agreeing before the final to split the first place prize. Anyone heard of this? I don't know, but I know about it, yeah. I did it exactly twice in both times. there was one finishing position that gets screwed out of the deal, and it's second place, and I got second place both times I did it. So, yeah, that's my experience. I don't think it should happen.
    40:25
    I mean, what happens if you have, and it's just because it's public record, this was the, with the heads-up, the heads-up tournament, the one that happened after the Nationals were the finals. It was Zach Sharp and Bowen Karens. and before the last match they basically agreed to split the first place prize. Yep. Which, I mean, what's the point of playing the game then? I don't get it. Just for whopper points. That's all it's for. Okay. In ranking. Yeah, that doesn't make sense for the heads up because that's not worth beans.
    40:58
    Like, there's no points. And, yeah, that's weird. I mean, does anyone know what happens? So if they split, who gets second place? Nobody?
    41:08
    How does that work? Well, I mean, they still played it out, right? They still played it out, so they still have first and second for finishing. Yeah, but how about money? They split. What do you mean? So they split the first and second place combined? Yes. They put the two pots together, and then they split in half. Or they, you know, that's what I thought it was. I thought it was that way. It would almost have to be, because otherwise, I mean,
    41:33
    unless the person who was in third gets second place prize money. Yeah. No. Because there's no way the person in second is going to get half of the first place and the second place, because then they get more than the person who actually won. Exactly. So that's why I think they put it together and then they split it. Yeah, I've heard before of when the tournament's over, like, oh, you both tied for fifth place for $40. Do you want to play it out, or do you just want to each take $20? Yeah, that, okay.
    42:04
    But I've never heard, like, yeah, before you even play, you agree to split the money. I don't get that.
    42:11
    So you're with me on that one? Oh, I'm right with you. The only reason it makes sense is for like Popper or Pinberg, where there are substantial Whopper differences and you still have prize difference, but it's less jagged. Like 15,000, 7,500, 4,000, 1,000 or something is what Pinberg is. So like we all split agreed that it would be like seven, six, five, four or something. And that just felt a lot less like you had more fun playing it. Cause it wasn't like you're playing an $8,000 game of Ironman. Although I was, cause I got screwed on that deal. Yes, you did.
    42:53
    All right. But, uh, we were talked about today on head to head. We were talked about on head to head. Okay. With our sharp. Like, they were talking about how they only had two head-to-head competitions. Mm-hmm. And we were the ones that brought up, Josh brought us up and said, the only people I know who could possibly do it and have talked about it is you and me, Ron. Yeah, but they're like four hours apart. They're three and a half. Yeah. The problem with that is, is our games play totally differently. Not the stars.
    43:29
    Okay, not the stars. But, I mean, for the most part. And ACPC and Metallica. Oh, yes. The newer Stearns, yes, they're not going to play much different. But when you go like, you know, we're going to have two Dragon Fists. We're going to have two Cheetahs. We're going to have two big games. They're probably going to play different. The big game, I think our big game is probably pretty close. I think we can do it. I think we should do it. Stop. Where are we supposed to do this, Bruce?
    43:54
    Did you exactly? Road trip to runs. Oh, stop. The ultimate heads-up challenge, ladies and gentlemen. Where else will you get to play? Two Stargazers, two Dragonfists, two Cheetahs.
    44:06
    Oh, my God. People will be freaking knocking our doors down. Right? I know Rayman would probably come out for the two Stargazers. Oh.
    44:16
    That would be a fun game to watch a heads-up competition on. I don't know what goals you would have, but I'm sure you'd come up with something spicy. We better make sure that we have a top-notch stream or we may get criticized. We would definitely get criticized. Yeah. Or just have a stream at all, unlike the Stern Pro Championships. No, no, you just got to have like 27 cameras. Yep. I'm going to get Carl D'Angelo on the line, and he's going to drive over his full rig setup, all his cameras, his whole setup, and it's going to be the greatest thing ever.
    44:49
    He's going to do it all for free because he's awesome. Yeah, of course. Okay, maybe not. No. I guess I could buy the thousands of dollars worth of equipment, right? For the 100 people that will watch the stream? Yeah. It will really make me feel good. Yeah, you do that. And all the money contributions they'll give me, which will be none.
    45:11
    Yeah. It's all for the love of the game, Bruce. It's good. It's going to make pinball better. So if we did a heads-up challenge, Bruce, what would be the games? Stars, definitely. That's number one. Okay. Okay, so this is our dupe list. We have stars. ACDC. Metallica.
    45:33
    Dracula. Demoman. Black Spider-Man. Maybe not much longer, but okay. What are you selling yours? Probably going to be selling it soon. Need to make room. Oh, God, you don't need to make room. Yep.
    45:50
    What else? Big Game. Nine Ball. Nine ball. Cheetah, eventually, but not right now. Dragon fist. I will take that out of the equation because mine is not the snuff as yours.
    46:06
    Stargazer. Mm-hmm. You don't still have the Harlem Goat Riders, do you? No, I sold that. Mistake. No. I can only get one of those. That's true. I think that's it. There you go. There's the ultimate heads-up challenge. Go rent the U-Haul, Ron, and we'll start pulling them out of your basement and bring them to the Silver Ball Saloon. No, we'll do it at the Saratoga show. Oh, God, so we both got to move games? It'll put it on the map. That means I'll be moving them twice.
    46:36
    Okay. You got me there. Yeah, exactly. Interesting. So we're mentioned again on the podcast. We're so famous and we can't get into the trash talker. Exactly. Thanks, Chuck. Yeah, Chuck. How's that talking to the committee for us? Yeah. Good thing we didn't mention that you're a ginger. I know. Yeah.
    46:57
    See, that's a little-known fact, folks. Yeah. I bet you Raymond didn't know that. Know what? That Bruce is a ginger.
    47:06
    Isn't he just a white dude? You ever think he's really pale white, so... I'm pasty white. He's pasty white.
    47:15
    I'm so white, I'm translucent. Chuck was going on, you know, how, you know, gingers aren't allowed, and he hates gingers and all that because he's making fun of Teolis. Right. And the whole time on there, like, does he realize Bruce is a ginger? I don't think most people realize Bruce is a ginger. Nope. When I after had chemo, my hair color changed. And straightened out and fell out. Yes. Before that, he was a curly redhead. I was sexy. He was sexy. That means we just fooled ourselves completely out of the TTI now. Well no Remember he doesn like gingers but it the committee Oh yeah the committee Remember the committee yeah Yeah This committee seems like not a great group of people No, no. A little biased, I think. What did you say before? Did you say six episodes between the two? Yes. I mean, I think Meltdown has three. I believe Riptide has two. Zero, one, and two. No, just zero and one. There's not two. Five episodes. Excellent. Thanks, guys. Five episodes to, what, 95? 95, yeah. I mean, come on. Every week we do ours. Every week. On the nuts, doing it right. Even when Bruce is, like, tired like he is now, I mean, the dedication. Still doing it. Yep. Just like to say thank you, Bruce, for using the headset this week and your awesome new internet.
    48:38
    You sound way better. I won't have to spend 20 hours editing all the weird background noises out. do you ever have to volume adjust for the different hosts i use a compressor helps quite a bit with that plus we're on separate channels the issue is when like bruce is not very loud and the other guest on the same channel say you is very loud then it gets to be a pain but thankfully that hasn't happened today.
    49:08
    Everyone's in a nice volume. Hooray! Yay! Time for the mail ball bag. And it's a short one. We got some. We got one from Robert Byers. Oh, boy. He made a comment about Tom Brady pinball machine. Yes. Chuck said that would be a great idea. Well, Robert says there would be a lot of ways to cheat during gameplay. Yes, there would.
    49:39
    Get it? Did they think? Got an email from Soren. Yes, we did. He sent the video, and I did link it in the show notes. If you went to our website, slamdellpodcast.com, to this show, and just a little background on this show. This is a YouTube video. You can go back to our last week's episode. There's a link to it. But it was a quiz show from Danish television from 1989.
    50:08
    Contestants would voice control a pinball machine and win prizes from the score achieved. It was a quiz segment on a Saturday evening entertainment show that ran spring and summer of 1989. Two times a night, they would run three contests. In fact, and this is true, this might have been one of the first ever top-down view live broadcasts of competitive pinball. Because if you look, it is actually a top-down view of the play field. of a flash with banana flippers on it. In what year? 1989. Why did it have banana flippers? To make it a little harder. Harder. And they all flip, all three flip at the same time. It might have been the only rightful purpose of banana flippers ever, Soren says. I agree. Fun fact, it cannot be made today. This resides in an era of analog TV and analog telephones.
    50:58
    Because they did voice commands, but I'm thinking they were hitting a button on their phone, too. or something like that. Because if you watch the episode,
    51:07
    the guy, the guy is a contestant, the first contestant, and he's flipping, like right when he says flip, the flippers are flipping. Then they have a woman on, whenever she says flip, there's a big lag before they actually flip.
    51:20
    And it's funny, I would recommend, because once they start going, all you hear is flip, flip, flip, flip. I mean, it's Danish television, but flip is still flip, even in that language. Flip, flip, flip. That's amazing. Yep. That would have been interesting to play. It would have been. Yeah. So check it out. It is a cool video. Oh, boy. Then we have an email, Alex Ertl, saying, you hate the Bills, you sons of bitches. Okay, to be fair, I don't really care about the Bills or football in general. Oh, I thought he was talking about paying the Bills. Remember when you guys used to do the let's pay the Bills? Yeah, pay the Bills. Yeah. Yeah, no, he's talking about the Buffalo Bills. the only four-time losers of Super Bowls in a row. But the only true New York team, Bruce. That means nothing to make some from Jersey. Yes, so New Jersey Jets, as far as Bruce is concerned, yeah. They're New Jersey Jets. Perfect. Totally fine with that. That's so stupid. They don't even play in the right state.
    52:21
    Honestly, I find football boring. I find one of those boring things to watch. In a typical football game, there's like, I think it's 15 to 17 minutes of actual action. That's it. That sounds about right. All the rest is just standing around. Although the same could be said about a lot of sports. Yeah. But, like, I could watch hockey and basketball. I'd watch them way before I'd ever watch football. The thing about football, though, is I found one way I could watch it. It's called Red Zone. Red Zone is awesome because it's just action. The problem is once they get into the playoffs, when you get to, like, these championship games and you only have four teams left, then it gets boring again.
    53:02
    Whatever. I'm sure I'm in the minority because everyone loves football. Sorry. Going off here. Stop your rants. It's not good.
    53:11
    No, rants are good. Rants equals ratings, Bruce. Well, we don't have Tim rants anymore, so you've got to make up for it. Yeah, Tim's not allowed on.
    53:21
    He's allowed on. Well, he's allowed on, but, you know, he just can't because Zach won't let him. He's not allowed.
    53:30
    So that was it for the ball bag. We have three males. Let's put them in the archive. So should we do a face-off, Bruce?
    53:40
    We can do a face-off. I was thinking we should keep on our theme. If Raymond remembers what the games were for the tournament, we can go at each other with those. Oh, my God. Yeah. I'm sure Raymond probably remembers what the games were. Well, I know the three games that I brought. maybe we just rate the three games play I brought well we need at least six right okay well I can let's see I can name six there was this will be fun forever takes this one there was an Avengers Hulk LE edition there was a Indiana Jones Williams there was a dialed in that was my dialed in and then there was my Aerosmith and my Dirty Harry oh you got a Dirty Harry? smart man yeah Bruce didn't like it now he does it's okay it has to be set up right and then the other oh there was a Genesis got leave I think Genesis We were going good until that one.
    55:00
    We were getting all stern and Williams goodness and Jersey Jack, and then you had to bring out Genesis. Yeah. Someone's going to get stuck with that.
    55:09
    And then, oh, Guns N' Roses was another one. But the Guns N' Roses had the greatest mod of all time. I should have taken a picture of it. The right band member shot, instead of just like a big fat yellow rubber, the lane guide on the right side was welded on like an extension to kind of curve down so that it was literally impossible to backhand because the lane guide it extended further down the play field so you could only yeah forehand it was pretty sweet all right i won last week so I guess I have to go first. I guess so.
    55:49
    I'm going to select Dialed In. Oh, God. Jersey Jack's greatest game ever. A Pat Waller masterpiece. He had literally 20 years to come up with this play field. And boy, is it a great play field. The shots are excellent. The theme is original. Original theme. We have disasters. all the disaster modes are fun to play they all are very distinct modes have their own shots have their own character great humor great visuals on the humongous lcd display great rule set even though the sim card shot can be a little difficult at times with the protector on it but still just a absolute blast to play and did i mention the awesome david theil music it's got it all it's dialed in. I yield the floor.
    56:44
    I've lost this one already. Aerosmith. Great Dirty Donnie artwork. Rehashed rules from Lonnie Ropp. Great shots from John Borg. Who doesn't love an elevator?
    57:00
    Was it a pro or was it a premium? Raymond? Pro. No upper play field to get hung up on. So you got good, good, easy shots. Who doesn't love who does not love that toy box where you can lock six balls at once and watch them all come out? More balls, the better in your face. That's what I say.
    57:23
    It's got. OK, wow. It's got great shots. Good Borg design. Great rules by Lonnie Rupp. Wink, wink, hint, hint. It's a kiss rehash 2.0. That's it. I yield the floor.
    57:41
    Wow. Okay. Rebuttal time. Okay. Do you need it? I don't know. Okay. I don't think you do. You're trying to fool me here?
    57:52
    No, I'm not going to fall for this. As Bruce said, rehashed KISS 2.0. It's KISS done better. Basically the same play field. Other than that, rules could be better. I yield the floor. okay dialed in the worst selling jersey jack pinball machine by far by far took him 20 years to make this pinball machine what has he been doing for the past 19 and a half because it wasn't worth it terrible shot for the sim card it's got okay rules got corny freaking people on their modes. You don't even know what you're doing half the time.
    58:38
    Shoot this, shoot this. Holy cow, there's a tornado. There's a snake in my boot. What the hell am I fucking doing here?
    58:49
    Very corny. Very childish game. It's got some good shots. I'll give them that. But it's just... Who needs a big, humongous screen that no one can tell you what's going on with? You should get a smaller one like Stern. Compact. You don't have to look up so much and strain your neck. Who likes selfie mode? Selfie modes are terrible. I don't want somebody else seeing my stupid expressions while I'm playing a pinball machine.
    59:14
    Terrible. I yield the floor. I like the straining your neck to look at the big screen. I know that happens a lot with me. It does. Jesus.
    59:24
    Well, is that it then? That's it. Well, you know, Bruce did raise some valid and invalid points.
    59:36
    Yeah, I dialed in to the better game than Aerosmith, so it wins. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Come on, Bruce, the corny characters of the whole thing. Wait a minute, you don't know what to shoot. If there's ever a game that tells you exactly what to shoot, it's this game. No, no, no. Houdini tells you exactly what to shoot. Yeah, but it takes 20 minutes for it to tell you what to shoot. You can't remember it, though. That's your fault.
    60:07
    Come up with the funniest Zach comment ever on an episode. Do this, then do this, then shoot this, then do this. Give me the ball. Damn it.
    60:18
    Your turn, Bruce. Indiana Jones the best Williams wide body who doesn't like video modes galore you don't just get one with the cart you get two you get three video modes in this game and no hidden ones you get full three you get an upper left hand play field that you can move left and right and get those critical rollovers to get more points and even get an extra ball. Who doesn't like the call-outs in this game when you get super jackpot? That is the whole game. Super jackpot!
    61:01
    Excellent, excellent game. Brian Eddy rules. Mark Ritchie shots. Mark Ritchie flow. You get the X in the middle. Michigan J-Frog is your hidden mode also. Got to love that. Hello, my baby. Hello, my honey. Hello, my ragtime gal. Modes are very powerful, too. You know, people just go for multiball a lot of times, but the modes are very powerful points. Great shots. Good theme.
    61:30
    This is a keeper. I have one myself. IJ. I yield the floor. Hmm. Okay. Best Williams white body, huh? Because we proved last week that Star Trek was inferior to Star Trek Next Generation. Shut up. So. Proved it. Whatever. So I'm going to go with a Y-Body also. Guns N' Roses.
    61:55
    Data East's best Y-Body ever. Guns N' Roses. What a great game. Great play field. Great layout. Great artwork. Assemble the six members of Guns N' Roses to start multiball. But the one thing Data East did right, they're multiballs. We'd start with the one multiball. Then if you get the jackpots, you start like the second phase of the multi-ball. Paradise City. All six balls come out. It's just a great game. It has two shooter rods. I mean, what other than Funhaus has that? Come on. Two shooter rods. You've got to love it. Actually, does Roadshow have two? Yes. Yes, it does. Okay, so one of three games, but it's a rose. You've got a rose shooter rod. How awesome is that? It's got a snake. it's got great modes great shots, great multi-ball, it's a blast to play, who doesn't like Guns N' Roses I yield the floor okay, first you can always get sick of Guns N' Roses music while playing this just terrible, you know just grates on you with your last nerve oh, just, oh take me down to the and then when you drain well, well, well, by myself you know, I don't need to hear that ever you get the pity multi-ball from data east of course oh i think i didn't get it i didn't get in my first two balls but it's only a two ball it's not a pity six well i know but it is a pity multi-ball and that stupid flasher kachink kachink kachink kachink kachink while it's waiting to try to get that shot for the multi-ball it's very annoying very fast antiquated board set with the System 11 copy.
    63:39
    Magnets suck in this game. Suck. Terrible. They blow up and burn up and everything like that and blow fuses.
    63:49
    Eh, just not a fun game. And a terrible video mode. Worst video mode ever in a video game. Let's run over some people on a motorcycle.
    63:59
    Terrible. Modes are somewhat okay, but it's not a satisfying game. I yield the floor. Yes, the modes that you can actually lock in with the trigger. Another cool little feature of Guns N' Roses. Yeah, you didn't mention that. Because it's not good. Did you already rebut, Rob? No, he did not yet. The jungle, baby! You're going to die! Come on, everyone loves hearing that. It's great. Oh, God. Like, Indiana Jones is great. You get to hear the John Williams score. Oh, no, wait a minute. You don't get to hear the John Williams score. You get to hear, like, whatever that is. the digitized remake of the John Williams store.
    64:39
    And it's also stereo DCS. No, it's not stereo. DCS was not stereo. It's an uncompressed version, which is actually better. It's the first DCS game, so it's their first game that didn't sound like shit. Congratulations, Williams. It's got the Path of Adventure, which is fun maybe the first time. I'll tell you, just every time you go up there, you just go into a frigging hole and see the stupid same animation. like whatever. Oh yeah, video modes. Yeah, we need three video modes. We need as many video modes as possible in the game because that's what I want to do, play video modes.
    65:13
    I yield the floor. Oh man. Oh, and for the tournament player in you, all anyone ever does in that game in a tournament is try to get the multi-ball and get the super jackpot. I agree. There you go. But then you get the great super jackpot call out so you just made more of my point better.
    65:31
    Oh, oh man. That's a tough one. Both games kind of suffer from the same problem of multiball taking over the modes.
    65:45
    They both have kind of a lot of shots on the playfield that you don't really use all of them. Yeah, this is a toughie. This is a toughie.
    65:55
    I think I've got to give it slightly to Indiana Jones just for that super jackpot. really suck really suck all right so it's one one yeah ah what to pick here well only one thing i think i can pick i know what you're picking do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do Harry, one of the most underrated games of the Williams era. Really fits the theme. You have classic Clint Eastwood on the back glass. Not old Clint Eastwood. You have 70s Clint Eastwood with the long sideburns, holding the magnum right at your face. That's what I'm talking about. And on the play field, you've got a gun that you can shoot. You can shoot pretty much everything with. You can shoot targets. You can shoot the hull. You can shoot the ramp with it. What a great gun that is. just and and it's got the replica magnum handle on the side not like cheap plastic stuff just it's metal very solid great playing game great flow probably best flow for any barry ouster game i can think of great shots great multi-ball trying to coordinate the shots to keep getting the supers it's got uh you know cool modes try to get through the shotgun shells try to get to the wizard mode it's got your lanes up on top that you can barely see but they're cool because if you get through you can get 2x and 3x ransom it's like ridiculous ransom scores which is a fun thing to shoot for just so it's a great game to shoot and it's overall very fun how do you feel?
    67:38
    well it's going to have to be Genesis no it's going to have to be Avengers with the newer code Avengers is a good game. You guys should have done Genesis versus Avengers. That would have been... I know, but somebody had to go for the kill.
    67:58
    Carry on. Yes, I know. I agree. So Avengers is not a bad game now with the newer code. I actually like the newer code because you have the modes where if you complete, you can have Holt versus Black Widow and Hawkeye versus Black Widow. You have different mini wizard modes, which is very good. Shots are tight, but enjoyable in this game. DMD, very good. Artwork, yeah, it's cheesy. Be the first to admit it. It is the old point and click and drag and just do the Photoshop drop. But the DMD, I actually think, is pretty good in this game. Good player, good fan layout, sort of, but good player. Avengers, I lose. Have a nice day. Okay, my rebuttal, me Hulk, me get ball stuck all the time.
    68:54
    Me Avengers, Stern tried to put wedge sockets in back panel, bad move. Bulbs fall out all the time. Shitty artwork, which Bruce already said. Yep. That's it. Okay, Barry Osler can't make a game at all. We've proven this now many, many times. What? You can't. We've proven this. Look, he's on Deep Root now. It's just imaginary company. He's not going to make another game. He made Doctor Who. Yeah, terrible game.
    69:25
    Wait a second. It's a one-shot pony, that game. He made Barracora. Yes, he did. He made Gorgar. Wait a second. Space Shuttle. Wait. As Ryan pointed out, there's still Spell Barracora. How many targets are in Barracora?
    69:40
    That's because they don't know the history of pinball. that was originally supposed to be called Barracuda. I know. That's why they had to... Would you fix that?
    69:50
    Really? Is that your... You're not even talking about how you're putting down my game. What does this have to do with Dirty Harry? You're the one that brought up more of these games. You kept on bringing up the games. Did he or did he not? But, yeah, Dirty Harry just doesn't do it for me. Lame modes. Looping mode that's just terrible because it doesn't... You get no points in your super loops. Terrible game. But the music is killer. Doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom. That's the whole reason I got the subwoofer because of the loops. It's a terrible point shot. Actually, you can do that for billions if you – Kaylee George taught me if you have multiball lit, you should do it. Yes, if you have multiball lit. But most people will not stack multiball and then get that. They won't.
    70:32
    It's a terrible game. Shitty artwork up front. Don't buy Mickey Mouse. My opinion, not maybe yours, but my opinion, not well. you know, Dirty Harry should have orange on him. He looks like a freaking suntan, freaking... He wasn't suntan in the movies.
    70:53
    Clint Eastwood is pale, like me. And on that game, he's all freaking tan and buff. Remember, he probably had approval and wanted to look good. I know, but still, it's not original. Description, unfactual.
    71:08
    Fail. the game just shows the phoniness and fakeness of Hollywood fail fail fail so I guess Kiss really shows that then no because they actually show that they're true their artwork really the ballet game where they're all ripped yeah they're all clowny they were never that ripped actually Paul Stanley was definitely and they had huge packages the rockstar oh my yeah true story Kiss like they have that on IPDB like the original back glass, and then they kept sending it back. No, we want to be more ripped. No, we want our packages to be bigger. At which point I guess it is KISS Yep see That right Bruce You know you should go to kissonline I was waiting how far we would get into the Kiss discussion before we got a buy this buy that I love Gene Simmons. You know, I think I'm going to use this voice for my character now because he just exudes arrogance.
    72:05
    Right, Bruce? Bruce knows that we are the greatest band of all time. Of course. You yielded the floor, right? I yielded a four.
    72:15
    Okay, so we've got Dirty Harry versus The Avengers. One game shoots like a champ. The other game shoots just like the worst game I've ever shot before in my life. So I'm going to go with Dirty Harry because I can actually shoot things and have fun. It's all about having fun, Bruce. the whole reason i got the freaking better sound system in that was for that one mode even though yeah when i usually play in single ball play i never score anything and i think the default what the crime scene champion is always wag because no one gets beyond two i did it i did it finally that was like my big goal was to try to beat that and it is so hard because you can't feed to the upper ramp because the magnet is never on during that mode. At least on mine, you have to backhand the left orbit in order to have a perfect feed to the upper flipper. Otherwise, if you try to shoot the left orbit, it goes too fast and you can't combo it.
    73:21
    There was a bounty for anyone who could beat the Crime Wave champ and Robert Gagne almost did it at Northwest Champs one year. He got two, couldn't get the third. Dirty Harry, awesome As we know Yes Right, Bruce?
    73:39
    Okay, Bruce Wake up, Bruce Oh, hey, hey, hey, I won? Woohoo, I won! Yeah, you won Yeah, in your dreams In your dreams So what do we got coming up? What's coming up in the pinball world here? This weekend we have our Stern Army tournament at the Silver Ball Saloon, and the new idea will be this. If an existing player brings a new player who is not ranked in the IFPA or does not have up to five rankings that are still grayed out or gray barred, the new player will get him for free, and the player who brought the player will only have to pay half price for his entry. Wow. Trying to get some rated players up in Rochester. And also get encouraging pinball for everyone in the world to play and have some fun at the Silver Ball Saloon on this Saturday at 3 p.m. Invite competition. Yes. Are you sponsoring the dollars?
    74:41
    Well, I'll be paying for the whole entry for the person and also for the half of the other one. If the dollars? Well, it's usually $6.
    74:52
    It's usually $5 plus a dollar for the IFPA. But if you bring somebody in who's not. $3. It's only $3. And the other person that you're bringing gets in for free. Wow. So a double win. Come on down. And then 12 hours of stomp. We now have 21 players in the 12 hours of stomp.
    75:12
    15 more spots, and you only have nine more days to get the cheaper price. 20th is the last day. Do you think Steve Bowden is going to come? Steve is in. Oh.
    75:24
    Frank Romero is in. Frank Romero. I haven't seen that guy in forever. I know. The towel. The power of the towel. Does he still towel it up? No, he does not. No, he retired the towel. No. Yeah. Is it, like, hung up somewhere, like, in a frame or something? Maybe. It might be in a frame. And then Zab is going to be there. Jerry Bernard. So we have some good players coming. This is going to be July 7th. July 7th at the Silver Ball Saloon. doors open at 10 a.m. and we start promptly at 11 to 11 with an hour break in front of dinner at the Silver Ball Saloon you can get food, drink, and all your pinball pleasure check us on Facebook and on our website at thesilverballsaloon.com and we have new venues too we have nachos your food looks so good I see you guys posting all the time using Ripple Yes, we do. We use that. And we actually have monkey bread, Ron. You might even like that dessert. What? Monkey bread. What the hell is monkey bread? It is cinnamon pull-apart bread. Cinnamon flavored with glazed cinnamon, and you can pull it apart.
    76:42
    Your curly fries look amazing. Thank you. I love the curly fries. And we have now our tater tots and also now buffalo-flavored tater tots. Ooh. Yep. Even more selections for your choices at the Silver Boss Saloon. Even more selections for your choices. Yep, for your choices.
    77:01
    Is that the title now? More selections for your choices. Yep. I don't even know what that means. That's so beautiful. I'm going to beat myself out right now, so don't worry. I'm killing myself itself on the White Castles. Oh, no. White Castles. That's disgusting. Good stuff. Oh, upcoming this weekend, the 16th, it's going to be a critical hit tournament at Mystic Pinball in Massachusetts. Yep. Hey, Joe. Hi, Joe. And we got... Let's see at your house soon. Well, we'll get to that. Let's see. What's happening on the 23rd? Anything on the 23rd, weekend of the 23rd? Oh, Pinmania. Yeah. That's the first weekend of July. June 30th, July 1st. No, it's the 23rd. It's the weekend before. Is it? Yep. Because it's that weekend. Oh, that's right, yes. 23rd and 24th is Pin Mania. That'll be in Maine, of course. JR, John Reuter's tournament. They still have spots open. I'm guessing Jeff Parsons will be at that one? Of course. Jeff Parsons' project will be there. The Pinball Players Podcast. Hi, I'm the Pinball Players Podcast. Jeff Porsons. Coming up, Involved Players Podcast. I count down. Five. Five top players I like. And then hopefully no one criticizes him for the players he likes. Why didn't you mention me?
    78:33
    Okay. Then the weekend after that, we have Bintastic. That's what I was getting confused with. So I will definitely be there. being that is the, well, other than Saratoga, that is the closest show to my house. Is that still like an hour away? It's like an hour and a half away from me. But it's the one tournament I seem to be able to actually qualify for because it's like all the Sanctums games and they're mostly older games, so I always do better.
    79:03
    You'd like it, Raymond. It uses the old Papa format. Yes. The old Papa qualifying format. One of the few ones that still does that. The card format. Yeah, we actually inherited that for our Northwest Champs format now. Guys are insane.
    79:18
    I mean, I think almost every year when I've qualified, it's been literally my last try. Last year was cool because my last game was on Dirty Harry, and I pretty much knew if I got over a certain amount, I'd get in. And I got past that on ball one. I ended up getting the GC on it. Oh, I love that feeling. And once you're past that mark, it's just like you're invincible. Yep. It just all melted away. And yep. Of course, then I end up having to play Eric Stone on it. And he beat my GC with his own GC. And you lost to the winner. Yeah, I lost to the winner.
    79:55
    Yeah. Handed me my ass on Scorpion. He played that thing forever. I might have had close to a billion on Dirty Harry, but I wasn't even close. I got slaughtered. Wow. That was disheartening. will that will uh pin mania be streamed uh that's a good question because tim sexton would stream it so he'd bring his own stuff in so since he's not around unless someone else volunteers yeah i don't know if i feel like volunteering if anyone's listening and they want to ask me you know like yeah you're criticized don't do it don't get criticized that's going to be the new gimmick yeah yes actually we'd be able to get we caught all the games last year just kept moving the camera and there's plenty of room so it was actually easy to move it i mean i have i have the same rig that tim had literally the same rig with the uh 50 foot of cable so i probably could actually cover it they'll probably have someone else doing it i'm sure uh let's see and then after that is the 12 hours of style. It's like a tournament every damn weekend. And then after that is Ron's house. It's my little tournament. Orange County Pinball comes and invades Ron's house. Invades my house. This is me, kind of like my payback for all of the... That's not a good term. I thank you for all of the things I've attended. All the different Orange County tournaments. So opening up the game room. I actually have the nine balls apart right now. I'm replacing sockets. Oh, my. Getting it ready so, you know, that the grid lights actually work. Hey, I know where I'm going next Thursday. Where are you going next Thursday? Minikiss is playing at the local casino around here. Oh, Minikiss. You realize they don't even play? They just look sick? I know. It's terrible. Wait, really? Yes. Well, it's funny. It's two tickets for $10. What does that tell you? It tells me that their kickback to Kiss isn't what it needs to be.
    82:04
    Yeah, they have really good tribute bands up in our local casinos, and the tribute ones are free. You just go into the casino and listen to some, you know, people play some Lynyrd Skynyrd music or some Boston music, and it's pretty good. I think they need to pay me to go see Minikiss. What are you talking about, Bruce? I love Minikiss. They negotiated a good deal with us to use all our stuff. Of course they did, Gene. Of course they did. Yes. Did you know you can get tickets for their show at kissonline.com?
    82:37
    Yikes. See, wouldn't he be a great character? He could just be like every pinball game, I'm the greatest of all, you know. This was the kiss game, Bruce. Clearly the greatest game ever made. Are you guys referring to that Jeff Teolas interview, right? Well, I'm referring to anything with Gene Simmons, because he pretty much talks like that all the time. It's all about the money. Yes, Raymond. It's all about the money. You know about that. You're always cashing.
    83:06
    Do you know Kiss is going to live on forever, Bruce? Yes, of course they are, Gene. You sold your soul to the devil. You'll be alive at 104 trying to wag your tongue and making money. Well, you know, when I'm too old to play the demon character, I'll have someone play it. and I'll of course still make all the money. Of course you will, Gene. Exactly. Do you know what the name of one of my solo albums was, Bruce? Asshole. Exactly. Thank you.
    83:33
    Yes, that was the name of one of his solo albums. Yes. Wow. He like literally makes golden turds? Yes. Yes, he does.
    83:44
    So what do you think, Bruce? Should that be my character? That would be your new character. The streamer instead of the other voice? we just do. Everything's just like every game is inferior to Kiss. You know, come on, Nostremia. You know, today we'll be playing Firepower, which is by far inferior to Kiss.
    84:03
    Alright, what else do we got? Anyone want to plug anything? I don't think so. I mean, we were just talking about something that could be plugged, but I won't go there. Oh, my. If we didn't get totally into this, any other cool stories from IFPA to share?
    84:25
    Yeah, I mean, the Epstein Cup was pretty epic. Did you see that whirlwind picture of 15 million, 16 million, 17 million, 18 million? So what is the Epstein Cup? It's like a brawl between the North American pinball players and the European pinball players. The top eight from each side compete in a format where you basically, it's like you play four-player games, 2v2, and it's weird because it's 7-5-3-1, but, like, it doesn't really help to beat your teammate, right? So it seems a little unnecessary, but basically whoever gets the most points at the end of it wins. And there's also bonus points for whatever team had the highest combined score on a set of games and some other stuff. Yeah, and I think of it as like the Ryder Cup that they do with golf, which is basically the same thing. It's like I think it's the U.S. versus Europe. Yeah. So this is similar. So we won. USA. I mean, I guess North America. I mean, it was basically, it was USA and Robert. And it was pretty hilarious. After they were getting ready to present the awards and, you know, everyone's standing around for the winners of the Epstein Cup, and Robert Gagnon was like, I think me and Eric Stone should go first.
    85:49
    Because they, I mean, to do their credit, they did crush it on their games. But it was just kind of funny. And everyone was like, yeah, all right, all right, Eric Stone, Robert. Yeah, MVPs. just classic Trent came back on whirlwind we were all watching him he just kept going and going and managed to actually get there on like double dangers and I should have taken note of that when I picked whirlwind against him in the finals and he did the same thing to me that was one of my losses against him wow he uses every part of the tilt buffalo he like double danger every ball it was crazy that guy when is he going to He's going to win a major in the next year or two, I'm calling it. I actually thought he was going to win one last year. I really did. The thing is, you know, somehow he's in – he gets – like, everyone is Josh, Josh Sharp, Josh, Josh Sharp. It's like, well, if I was Josh, I'd be there, hey, Trent hasn't won a major either. Yeah. Why is everyone always picking on me?
    86:49
    And Trent plays, like, in every tournament, like, ever. He does. Ever made. He'd play in multiple tournaments on the same day in different parts of the country if he could.
    87:00
    It's like, wait, how is Trent at California Extreme? Isn't that the same as Pinberg? Exactly. He would play at California Extreme and Pinberg at the same time. Somehow he'd figure out a way.
    87:10
    Well, you can. It's easy. Yeah, you just get a flight. You actually work for Pinberg Thursday and Friday. If you don't qualify, you take the Friday night red-eye and you get out there Saturday and you do the California Extreme Saturday. Yeah, true. Always thinking. Always be thinking. Yep. And always be cashing. Always be cashing. Especially if you're Raymond and you're winning LEs. Woo! Did they ever give away a premium? They did. You know, Steve Bowen got a Game of Thrones premium. Yeah. And yeah, Stills then opened it. And I wouldn't if I was him. Really? Yeah, because that was the era of ghosting playfields. So it's a mystery. it's Schrodinger's Playfield. Yeah, that's why you just sell it new in box, like never opened, and then like, if it had ghosting, oh well. I didn't know.
    88:06
    I mean, that's... Unless he really wants to play it or really loves the game. He does like that game. He likes the game, but I have a feeling if it was like Spider-Man or something, he would have opened it already. He would have opened it already, big time. Yeah, definitely. Alright, Bruce, are we ready to pay some bills? Yep, pay them all, because I'm exhausted.
    88:26
    Yeah, Raymond reminded me. That's what we used to say, pay some bills. I need to start saying that again. Yeah, retro. Yeah, and you're not plugging your PB Lifter anymore. I think we forgot to do that. He's too tired to remember to plug his PB Lifter. You got it. But before we plug anything, all the RSS feeds have been changed. If you're listening to this, you're lucky. If you're listening to this, that means either it worked or you already resubscribed, and that's cool. Thank you. we will be putting out an alternate version on Podcast Garden telling you you need to resubscribe. Dumbass.
    89:01
    Oh, that's not very nice, Bruce. That's what I originally wanted to say, wasn't it? Yes, but I care about... Okay, thank you. I care about the listeners.
    89:12
    So, yep, we are fully out of Podcast Garden at this point. Yay! Everything will be posted on our site, Slamtail Podcast. The cool thing is now, if you go to iTunes and you resubscribe, you can actually listen to episode one.
    89:31
    Like, it actually works now. It actually works now. You ported all of them over? Oh, yeah. I did that months ago.
    89:38
    But, yeah, because I was being told that, like, in iTunes, like, when you try to play episodes before a certain date, it just wouldn't play. Because I think it couldn't download it from Podcast Garden, because Podcast Garden sucks. Oh, no. But now it works. Now it actually works. So you can see, listen to all the goodness from the beginning. All the goodness. Wow, we're so tired. Oh, yeah. I actually got my eyes closed listening. He's too tired even for repair, so. Yeah, oh, God. Okay. I got so many repairs I got to do now this week. It's like you guys are in the future. Three hours. Yes. No, that's true. Yes, we're in the future. I had to rebuild three sets of flippers on some games this week, so it's not going to be fun for me. Ooh, what games? Lower flippers on Swords of Fury. The upper flipper on Timmy's old World Poker Tour keeps on sticking. I rebuilt that. And Demoman needs a coil and a rebuild kit because the coil is deformed and I can't get the sleeve out. Any repairs for Raymond? Yes, I fixed the right slingshot on my Lord of the Rings What was wrong with it? Just soldered came off the switch or whatever just had to re-solder it back on Ta-da! Easy! Excellent! That's what I like to hear How'd you do repairs this week, Ron? I am working on, as I stated earlier the nine ball so replacing all the sockets which I don't have enough, I'm going to have to order more sockets Yay.
    91:19
    But that should be all I have to do. I'm sure something else will break before the 14th, but hopefully not. I was trying to find all my parts. They are all mixed in boxes, and I'm getting the boxes finally back to the house.
    91:33
    Because Bruce is now in the new place with good internet. Yes, smoking internet. Smoking internet. Very happy. And then Ron goes to me, why don't you stream from there? I'm like, with what games? Well, you have your repair area, right? Yeah, but I mean, it's going to be for setting up that stupid cheetah and trying to get that going. Stupid cheetah? Yeah. Don't ever say that. Franken-cheetah.
    91:59
    So this has been episode 95, Iron Man 2. I almost said Iron Maiden 2. That could be our title. Why? Franken-cheetah. Yeah, there's a couple. When I'm editing, we'll see which one sounds the best. That one weird thing you said, though, sounded good. Nah. I don't use that. You always make fun of me now. Yeah, but people love the Bruce-isms. My Bruce-isms are just me. They're just the Bruce, the Bruce man. Yeah. So paying some bills, we got P.B. Lifter. Check it out. Go to pblifter.com. Is that the site? Pinball Lifter. Pinballlifter.com. Go to pinballlifter.com. Save your... Use your back, not your brain. No. Wait, what? No.
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    Use your brain, not your back. Yeah, that's how tired I am. I'm exhausted. I told you, I am exhausted. That's a good episode name. Use your back, not your brain.
    92:54
    See, that's how tired I am. Raymond is our episode title guy. He's the one who came up with Clusterfuck. He did. See?
    93:02
    Oh, man. So, yes, pinballlifter.com. Check us out at slamtiltpodcast.com. Everything's there now. It's all great. also check out our Facebook page, basically just Google slamtiltpodcast.com you'll find out all the wonderful locations we are at, we can be reached at slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com we have our friends of the show we have pinball star Joe Newhart get it for all your Jersey Jack, American pinball, things called home pin and spooky pinball needs, then we have Mike Capupo from Flipper Fidelity. Check him out for all your pinball sound needs. He's also a Stern distributor. Thanks once again to Raymond for joining us this week. Thank you, Raymond, and congratulations again. Congratulations. He is on fire. He just keeps winning, which at a record pace since he started appearing on our show. Just thought I'd bring that up. Yes. No one ever heard of him before he was on our show, and then boom, instant champion. Just saying. Champion. For the podcast of champions. Yet, somehow, we're still not chosen by the committee. We suck. Which shows it's a joke. Come on. It is a joke. It's just a joke. Come on, Chuck. Come on, spokesperson. Well, I may be bringing booze to Pentastic, so that might help us. Maybe. That's what I was told. So we'll see. See if it helps. This has been episode 95.
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    Thanks, everyone, for listening. Say goodbye, Bruce. Good night, guys. I'm falling asleep. Oh my, my. I'm exhausted. Can you boogie? Can you fly?
    95:11
    Guaranteed to keep you alive Oh my