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PNP 670- TPF Recap With Jamie Burchell of The JBS Show + The Round Table

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 4m·analyzed·Mar 27, 2026
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TL;DR

Jamie Burchell recaps TPF: homebrew growth, Beetlejuice dominance, Yukon Yeti engineering praise, Spooky momentum.

Summary

Jamie Burchell of The JBS Show and Round Table recaps TPF (The Pinball Factory) with host Orbital Albert, discussing the expanded homebrew section, standout games like Beetlejuice and Yukon Yeti, and Spooky Pinball's strong market position. Key themes include production strategy, game design feedback, and the growing boutique pinball manufacturer ecosystem.

Key Claims

  • Spooky Pinball should raise prices rather than expand factory capacity to avoid the 'Scooby Dooby factor' of overproduction.

    high confidence · Jamie discussing Spooky's pricing strategy and production philosophy at TPF

  • Turner Pinball's undercarriage technology could be of interest to Stern or JJP for acquisition due to efficiency gains in manufacturing.

    medium confidence · Jamie relaying conversation with unnamed industry executive about Turner's technical advantages

  • Yukon Yeti is the best-shooting Turner Pinball machine to date, but requires sound design and callout improvements.

    high confidence · Jamie describing hands-on experience with Yukon Yeti at TPF after playing it multiple times

  • Beetlejuice had 19 machines at TPF with persistent long lines despite the quantity.

    high confidence · Jamie recounting observation of Beetlejuice demand at show floor

  • Homebrew section at TPF 2025 showed significant growth with contributions from Fast Pinball, Erica's Pinball Journey, Fliptronic, Mystery Theater Pinball, and Dirty Pool.

    high confidence · Jamie crediting specific homebrew creators and noting expansion compared to previous years

  • Jamie finished third in a media tournament at TPF with modified final-round rules (no strike format).

    high confidence · Jamie recounting tournament result and acknowledging modified rules may have affected final placement

  • Retro Ralph has significantly higher name recognition than Jamie at pinball events, stopping every 15-20 feet for fan interactions.

    high confidence · Jamie joking about Ralph's popularity differential compared to his own at TPF

  • Turner Pinball has location machines in Texas holding up well with no reported issues.

    medium confidence · Jamie citing Chris Turner's report on location performance of Ninja Eclipse and Yukon Yeti

Notable Quotes

  • “Ralph's two to one to me, brother. That's a popular dude.”

    Jamie Burchell @ ~6:00 — Humorous observation about Retro Ralph's celebrity status and fan recognition at TPF compared to Jamie's own visibility

  • “Every pinball machine doesn't have to be for everybody, right? It's okay that Spooky makes these freaking beautiful pins with the most gorgeous art... they are the sweethearts of the collectibles world right now.”

    Orbital Albert @ ~12:30 — Articulates industry sentiment about Spooky Pinball's market dominance and collector appeal despite niche gameplay preferences

  • “If I was a betting man, Albert, that's what I think Spooky will do. I think it was a timing issue for me, Jamie. So if they had announced it when they announced the $9.99, by the way, we're also doing 88 show games, that would have been fine.”

    Orbital Albert / Jamie Burchell @ ~14:00 — Discussion of Spooky's show game announcement strategy and timing concerns around pricing transparency

  • “The callouts need help, right? They needed some help... The piano music's a little annoying after a while. Again, that can be fixed too.”

    Jamie Burchell @ ~25:00 — Constructive feedback on Yukon Yeti's audio design, indicating code updates and sound design improvements are expected

  • “If you want to progress in the world of pinball, I think Turner's got something serious going on here with his undercarriage and how he does the mechanical things.”

    Jamie Burchell @ ~28:30 — Highlights Turner Pinball's engineering innovations and potential strategic value to larger manufacturers

  • “He's kind of like the mayor of TPF is what Ralph and I call him, because he knows everybody, he's local.”

    Jamie Burchell @ ~18:30 — Character sketch of Kerry Hardy's role and influence at TPF as local personality and community connector

  • “I'll tell you this, we put a bow on this, I think he's going to sell his 500... It's going to take a while. Yeah, but that's okay. He hasn't sold 500 anything yet.”

Entities

Jamie BurchellpersonRetro RalphpersonOrbital AlbertpersonKale HernandezpersonChris TurnerpersonKerry Hardyperson

Signals

  • ?

    event_signal: TPF 2025 featured expanded homebrew section and had dragon theme; Jamie attended for fifth time; event drew major manufacturer presence including Spooky with 19 Beetlejuice machines

    high · Jamie's detailed event recap covering multiple booths, game availability, and attendee experiences

  • ?

    product_strategy: Spooky Pinball should prioritize price increases over factory expansion to maintain collector appeal and avoid overproduction mistakes like Scooby-Doo (1,600 units limiting value retention)

    high · Jamie explicitly stating: 'I think they'll probably go up in price... they absolutely need to do either a slight price increase or they need to make slightly more... I think it would be smarter to raise the price and not make a bigger factory'

  • ?

    content_signal: Poor Man's Pinball Podcast experiencing scheduling gaps (5-week hiatus); JBS Show/Round Table gaining traction with festival attendance and media tournament participation

    high · Orbital Albert's return from extended hiatus; Jamie's repeated appearances and media tournament placement; discussion of challenge coins and fan recognition

  • ?

    design_innovation: Turner Pinball's modular undercarriage design with clips and board innovations offers cleaner construction with potential labor efficiency advantages; engineering exceeds design/audio quality

    high · Jamie praising Turner's engineering: 'This man is an engineer... looking underneath the playfield how he does the glass and everything integrated' and noting industry executive's acquisition interest

  • ?

    code_update: Yukon Yeti requires audio improvements including better callouts and piano music variation; Chris Turner acknowledged feedback and implied code updates planned

Transcript

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0:00
Welcome back pinball nerds to episode 670 of your fifth favorite pinball podcast. My name's Orbital Albert and I'm here to crawl out of the cave I've been in for the last five weeks. I am so sorry to all the listeners that I haven't been here. But if there was one person who could bring me back into the pinball zone to come chat and ramble on to you nerds, it would be Jamie Burchill himself of the JBS show and also Perhaps more famously or almost as famous, the round table of course with Retro Ralph and Kale Hernandez. So thank you so much for coming to the show today Jamie and I'm excited to talk all things TPF and a little bit about you know some other stuff as well.
0:43
Well first of all we've missed you okay you know I go on every day to the Pinball Nerds Podcast to see where my boy Orville Albert is and you know I think the Pinball Junk Drawer has put out three podcasts since you put out one. They're up 3-0. I'm losing. You got me? Yes, no, I can hear you again there. Sorry, the good old Starlink internet may have kerfuffled here as we're getting a bit of a storm, but you're back. Well, I was just saying, you know, the Pinball Junk Drawer has done three podcasts since you've done one. That's not acceptable. That's okay, you know what, see, you were trying to get them off my network, so, you know, no, I'm just kidding. I was. I was. But, so, okay, so here's the thing, sometimes I put out three episodes before they do an episode, and once in a while, you know, it's gonna be the opposite for me. But I think as I mentioned on one of my last episodes, I'm starting a new job, and as being, you know, I'll use the term lazy homesteading, you know, stay at home dad slash bum, I'm a professional pinball player. I've been working for the past five or six years. I actually have to start working like a real job again with, you know, email and bosses and important things to do. So I actually had to work more than my allotted part-time job that I had wanted almost, well, very close to like 37, 38 hours a week for a couple of weeks as I was getting into it. And honestly, I, you know me, I go off topic a lot. It's very hard. If I'm starting a new job, I have to concentrate on the new job or I'm, I get pinball brained. All of these are the pinball nerds that are going to be joining us for the next podcast. I'm going to be talking about the pinball nerds and Jamie, of course. Jamie, I'm back baby. Jamie, let's get into it. Jamie, It's good to have you back. Ralph, it happens to be. It happens to be me and my day job. Ralph will call me and I'll almost drop everything just to talk pinball with that dork. I understand. Jamie, I love Ralph. I call him Rad Ralph once in a while because he's such a rad dude. I call him Rad Ralph once in a while because he's such a rad dude and you know I don't know like I know that he could go off and make arcade content and get 10 times the views but he's just so he still loves arcades don't get me wrong but he's just so much more passionate about pinball and playing in tournaments and you know being part of the pinball community that it just it oozes out of him on everything he does social media wise so I love that he's part of the roundtable with you but before we get into that I wanted to I was just very curious You live pretty close to TPF, right? Yeah, it's about four hours. Yeah. It wasn't a big deal. Yeah. I picked up Ralph at the airport and we made our entrance together and great times, man. I can't wait to talk about it with you. Well, so I'm just curious, how many TPFs have you been to now? This would be my fifth. So 2019 to now, but 2020 was canceled. So, five or six, yeah. I streamed them, Albert. In my old channel, I used to stream the Wizards tournament, which was a great big tournament. But I just wanted to stop streaming and really just focus on the podcasts and have fun. And that's all we did at TPF, which is why it was so brilliant, Albert, is because Ralph and I didn't have to do anything. And we just got to walk around and play pinball for three days and it was awesome. Yeah, that's the thing is like, you know, I'm sure as you were when you were a newer content creator, you're thinking, if I'm going to be at TPF, I don't want to waste my time, I've got to make sure I get to document everything. But then when once you do that for a couple shows in a row, and you realize you're spending 80% of your time in the tournament room or 80% of your time, you know, like Ralph would trying to get a certain shot over and over and over again. You realize, wait, I kind of missed out on all those personal experiences. And then also just for even for your own mental health and relaxation, like you said. So, yeah, so we just hung out on the floor and it's amazing how many people recognize us. Uh, you know, the support has been so great. And I love when people come up and say they love the roundtable and they love what we're doing. But Rob's two to one to me, brother. That's a popular dude. Okay, so when you walk the floor with him, just be prepared to stop every, maybe like 15-20 feet. I mean it's almost ridiculous when you walk the hall with him. I'm just thinking to myself the wheels are turning like you're walking with him. And say like one person in a row is like, oh my god, Retro Ralph, I'm your biggest fan, I've been watching you for 10 years, I've been in your live streams since you've been doing arcades. And then, and then he's like feeling bad because they haven't mentioned you so then he goes, oh and this is my friend Jamie, you know he's on the round table with me, and the person's like, oh, oh cool, yes, nice to meet you. And then like if it happens, if it happens two, three times in a row that would have sucked, right? He didn't do that! Oh, Ralph. No, he just let me stand there like a clown. He let, he let the awkward moment marinate. No, no. You know, again, he was also handing out these challenge coins that he had made. Yeah. That were beautiful. And so what he would do is he would walk up to a group of four people playing and he'd say, look, I don't know if you know me, but I've got these challenge coins. Do you guys want to play for a challenge coin? And most people knew him and loved it. It was really cool. That was that was really cool. Did he did the challenge coins even get past the first or second day? Probably not. Or just barely? No. I had a great time with them. Just a blast. Okay, let me ask you this. What questions do you have? What do you got? Well, this is my... This is for TPS. Yes, I'm so curious. This is my big question for you. What was the overall vibe differential from, say, the previous four years you went to this year? What was different? I know I've heard things like the homebrew section was a bit bigger. You know, I haven't heard really much about what else was new and different. It was the year of the dragon. I saw the big cool dragon, you know, but what else was different? Well, we never understood the dragon. It didn't make sense to us why there were dragons everywhere. But I guess that's the theme. And they went with, you know, they leaned in heavily to the dragon and there were some pretty cool dragons. I would say number one, the homebrew section is definitely taking off with the Modo Marco Specialties, Marco and Aaron from Fast Pinball. No question. Showed out a lot of effort.

Jamie Burchell / Orbital Albert @ ~31:00 — Discussion of Turner's production targets and realistic sales expectations for Yukon Yeti at 500 units

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Rachel Bestperson
Bugperson
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high · Jamie stating Turner was on 'point seven' code and: 'The callouts will get better... piano music can be fixed too... Chris is very good at listening to the public and taking advice'

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: Turner Pinball has location machines in Texas holding up well with zero reported issues; targeting 500-unit production for Yukon Yeti with realistic long sales timeline

    medium · Jamie citing Chris Turner's report: 'we have a bunch of locations in Texas and they hold up phenomenally. We've had no issues' and discussing 500-unit goal with expected slow sales ramp

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Beetlejuice features non-obvious shot layout requiring significant play time to learn; Yukon Yeti shoots well with accessible ramps but complex multiball selection mechanics

    high · Jamie on Beetlejuice: 'I couldn't find the shots... you're going to hit scoops like a lunatic... once you find them, it's really fun'; on Yukon Yeti: 'it shoots very, very well... The avalanche multiball is a really cool feature'

  • ?

    business_signal: Unnamed industry executive suggested Stern or JJP could be interested in acquiring Turner Pinball for its undercarriage technology and manufacturing efficiency

    medium · Jamie recounting: 'I was talking to an industry executive and I'm not going to tell you who... I wonder if Stern or JJP would ever buy Turner... if you pick up a Stern, look at all the wire harnesses... that's gone with this boards'

  • ?

    community_signal: Retro Ralph experiencing significant fan recognition and celebrity status at TPF events; Round Table podcast gaining credibility and reaching broad audience

    high · Jamie observing: 'Ralph's two to one to me, brother... it's almost ridiculous when you walk the hall with him... stop every maybe like 15-20 feet'; fan interactions lasting throughout event

  • ?

    venue_signal: Eureka Heights arcade secured Beetlejuice show game from TPF; Electric Bat Arcade receiving Yukon Yeti; Turner Pinball has Texas location network; strong operator presence at shows

    high · Jamie: 'My buddies at Eureka Heights, John Taylor... was taking one of those famous show games home'; 'The electric bat is getting a Yukon Yeti'; Chris Turner's report on Texas locations

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Growing appreciation for boutique manufacturers like Spooky and Turner despite niche gameplay; collector market positioning Spooky as category sweethearts; positive trajectory for small companies

    high · Albert: 'Every pinball machine doesn't have to be for everybody... they are the sweethearts of the collectibles world right now'; Jamie optimistic on Turner sales and collector demand

    • 7:32
    Erica from Erica's Pinball Journey, Fliptronic, just to give shout out to these people and Manu from Mystery Theater Pinball, whatever he is, 2000. I love Manu. So there's so many people that did so much for that community. Jeff from Dirty Pool, Jeff Dodson, I don't want to forget him. So you had all these great people doing so much work for the homebrew community and the homebrews were great. They're just getting better and better.
    8:03
    Yeah, so I would say that's number one. Number two, I didn't have any. Anything to do, so all I had to do, Albert, was just run and play pinball, and so I got to play all of the games. So I have never played Beetlejuice.
    8:22
    Because the place I play here, Eureka Heights, was taking one of those famous show games home. And... It's gonna be worth more, Jamie, I'm telling you.
    8:33
    It could be. So the lines of Beetlejuice were ridiculous all along. They had 19 Beetlejuice machines. And the lines were still long with 20.
    8:44
    Yeah. Wow. They had 19 machines. The best room was Don from Don's Pinball Podcast. Had a room with Sterling Martin from the Pinball Studio. And it was just a tent next to all the Beetlejuice. But people didn't know what the hell was in there, Albert. And so there were two Beetlejuice machines in there. You got to hear everything a lot better in there. Just a little tent kept the sound in so much better. Because the problem with the show, and you know this, is you can't hear the call outs, right? You can't hear anything. And there's not many call outs in Beetlejuice yet, because they don't really like them.
    9:23
    It's like a British dude. And so I got to play Beetlejuice quite a lot. My first impression was I couldn't find the shots.
    9:33
    Yeah, I thought I heard you mention that maybe on the roundtable that the shots do take a little bit of time to figure out. They're going to take time because you're going to hit scoops like a lunatic. It's beetle scoop for the first two times you play. But then you'll get it. And once you find them, it's really fun. It's really fun. Now as a tournament player, this is interesting because they have a mode that's very similar to Dune and the pain box. So that's a pain in the neck because it's hard. Think about if you're a tournament player, Albert, and you are, right? And then the Deo mode, which uses the flippers and just flips like crazy, especially when you don't hit the shots. It's not the greatest tournament game, but you know what? Tough luck. Everyone's got to play it the same. I think it's going to be fun. That's it. But Jamie, you know, I've heard you say stuff like this before. Every pinball machine doesn't have to be for everybody, right? It's okay that Spooky makes these freaking beautiful pins with the most gorgeous art from Mr. Christopher Franchi, our buddy Christopher Franchi there, you know, and now they're adding in the most number of mechs and the most number of toys and the most number of sculpts. And overall, the toppers are incredible. They come with a lot of features built in, you know, for $10,000, arguably, if you're not getting the butter cab and everything else, you're getting probably one of the most filled out machines out there. And now because they've been nailing it with theme and theme integration so many pins in a row, they are the sweethearts of the collectibles world right now. If I was a betting man, and I am, I would say their next two to three maybe even four pins in a row, as long as they don't, you know, shats the bet on the theme, they are, or they don't try to go too big and go to like try to do 2,000 of their next one. Then it could be, if I call it the Scooby Dooby factor where they made 1,600 when that game wasn't, you know, Scooby Dooby's fine for what it is, but it's not... Right. It's not worth $1,600. That one they had to limit to like $750. Albert, I think they're in a sweet spot. Funny story, Ralph and I are on the floor Thursday, and Thursday is move-in day. Okay, everyone's moving in, and we are in the spooky booth as they're unboxing 19 of these things, and we're getting hit with shrapnel. We're getting hit with We're in their way, Albert. We're totally in their way. And we got to speak with with Bug for a long time. And kindly enough, sent me a note saying, you know, it was really great to meet him because that was the first time I ever met him. I really spent a lot of time with Bug. Yeah, I never met Bug. And what a lovely guy. And I think they have their stuff together so much that they're in a sweet spot and their stock's trading high and they know what they are. And that's the key. They know what they're not and they know what they are. And what they are is we're going to pack this game. I think they'll probably go up in price, right? A little. I think there would be a mistake not to do the 11-6, 11-5 move on Goonies. Yeah, they're selling out so fast that the best time to sell out, you know, like so for instance back in the day when I went to business school, I read a book called The Millionaire's Mind and they talked about, you know, the average real estate agent takes 13 weeks to sell their own house when they're selling it for themselves because they'll price the The best time to sell out is day one. You either priced it too low, arguably, or, I mean, well, even the LEs for Pokemon, right? They could have priced them higher, which I'm glad they didn't. I'm not telling Stern to price them higher, but I think in Spooky's case, they absolutely need to do either a slight price increase or they need to make slightly more, and I think it would be smarter to raise the price and not make a bigger factory. Like if they grew too big too fast, that would be the only mistake I think Spooky could make right now. And more show games. No more show games, guys. Come on. I like the show games. Just build it. Real quick, I like the show games because obviously we get one at TPF, right? My buddies at Eureka Heights, John Taylor. So I'm going to be a big proponent of the show games no matter what. Just build them into the allotment. Yes. Okay. Say you're going to make 1,100 with one pinball. I'm okay with that, sure. And I'm okay with that too. And I think that's what they'll probably do. If I was a betting man, Albert, that's what I think Spooky will do. I think it was a timing issue for me, Jamie. So if they had announced it when they announced the $9.99, by the way, we're also doing 88 show games, that would have been fine. It was kind of like an afterthought. However, if that's the only timing mistake they've made like in the last couple years, you know, they're doing pretty good. So I'm very happy for them. Well, big fan. Yeah, they're doing good stuff. I love, I can't wait to see what they got coming up next. So, great showing at TPF from Spooky and the crew, and I got to spend a lot of time with Don. We played in a pinball media tournament. Finished third, Albert. Congratulations, I saw that. Congrats. Here's a little story on that real quick. Wait, how did Don do? How did Don do? Not as well. Okay, two and out. Not as well. He didn't win it. But here's the story. It was a two-strike tournament. There were about 20 of us. And we got into the final round. It was Neil McCrae and Clark from Carpool Pinball. And Clark is a top 400 player. Wow. Okay. Just saying. Okay. Just saying. And I didn't have any strikes, but I was hungry. And I said to the group, what if we just, whatever we finish on the last game is what we finish. Is everybody okay with that? So I'm using this as my excuse of excuses to say I probably could have finished second. If it was a regular final format. Yeah, if I had just sucked it up and not been a baby about the 800. You were hangry, my friend. That reminds me of the day that Kerry Hardy went on a bit of a gun rant, and it was mostly because he blamed it on Chipotle. He said I had bought Chipotle but I hadn eaten it If only he had eaten a chipotle So I told him I told him in a a livestream he thought it was funny I think he actually maybe considered it I said Kerry Hardy that is the first merch you ever made that I will straight up buy And I don buy a lot of pinball t and stuff so I said if it said I wouldn have went on the rant if only I had eaten my Chipotle And had like a funny picture of either like a burrito being shot out of a gun or something to do with a gun and I don't know. Anyways, the man likes his Chipotle, I get it. We got Kerry to play in the Media Mavens. He was being a baby about it, but I got him to play. I strong armed him. Yeah. And I made him I convinced his wife to hold off on dinner so he could play with us. I beat him as well, just to let everybody know.
    16:42
    I definitely beat him. And but he's not a tourney player. Come on. It was very, very fun. I hung out with Kerry a lot. He's kind of like the mayor of TPF is what Ralph and I call him, because, He knows everybody, he's local. Yeah, it's his home ground, it's his home show, it's four hours, it's 40 minutes from his house, and the mayor was very lovely, he was very nice to all of us. You know what? And got to play a bunch of games with him actually. This reminds me of something I was going to ask you about as well. I'm pretty sure, I haven't gone back and listened to the whole thing, but I think you're now a two in a row guest, Because I called you during the Christmas Hanukkah Festivus show, right? Yes, you did. Okay, so that counts, right? Yeah, two in a row. That's so cool. But here's the other cool part. I think everyone got to hear from you because you were in the first half of the show. The second half of the show, when I probably shouldn't have recorded anymore, and that's why it's behind the paywall, I actually called Kerry Hardy. And I did not think this man was going to answer because he hadn't responded to my earlier messages. And somehow he answered and I swear to God he's almost like half asleep on the couch and he's like, hey I'm watching a movie with my family. And I'm like, okay well I won't take much of your time and he's like, okay, oh brother, you know what I mean? He was just like this guy, okay. But anyways, thank you Kerry Hardy for answering. It shocked me probably even more than him when he actually answered. So that was incredible. I mean that same night I got to, like you and everyone else who's on the show can say you're on a podcast with Roger Sharp now. That's kind of cool. Oh, that is kind of cool. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. And Todd Tucky was making a sale during live during the thing. I think he thought maybe it was a podcast where I would edit it and he was in the middle of a sale. So he just kept going. And I was like, well, before he gives you the credit card numbers, Todd, I'm going to let you go. But I called Todd back and he answered the second time. He played in the Media Mavens and I got to hang out with Todd for a while. I thought you were going to say he's the mayor of TPF. I thought Todd's the mayor of every show he goes to, almost. Almost, but this one you gotta give it to Terry Hardy. Fair enough. Well, anyways, thank you so much for coming on the Christmas show. That was the last time I ventured out to do any type of recording, right? So like an interview. And it was overall pretty fun, but we've gotta move on. We've gotta talk more about... I wanna go into, before we get to homebrew, I want you to give me... I have a couple things to say about it, but I want to hear from you because you've played it. I want to hear all about Turner Pinball's new pin, Yukon Yeti. Give me the, uh, I don't know if you're, I know you know him because you interviewed him, um, the guy from Coast to Coast Pinball, I'm forgetting his name right now, um, I'll remember, I will remember. Shatz? I will remember. Neil? It'll come to me. The point is, he used to do... Don't worry, Bob. It's okay. You did it for Wormhole. You did it for Wormhole. Him and his wife do, like, He's like a guitar, he's a Fender guitar rep in Amsterdam. He did the Stern Pinball Podcast. Oh yeah! Was he there? No, no, no, no, no, no. This is what I was going to say is for years when I first got into pinball before I ever had a podcast, he was like my favorite guy to listen to because he did kind of my rambling trip blog tournaments like checking out a new place kind of. And why am I zoning out on his name? Nick Shelton? It'll come, it'll come to us. He's screaming into their car right now, whoa, that's so and so. God almighty. He's an awesome dude and he would always do five fast thoughts. So you don't have to give me five per se, but I'm curious, just the Coles Notes version of Yukon Yeti's, the new Turner's new game, or Whitewater too, if you will. It's a very fun shoot. If you've ever seen, and Chris did a really great job with me, Don and Ralph, and one I'm one of Don's buddies of showing us the under playfield of Merlin's, of showing us how to take the glass off. They had it set too easy in the beginning and those were the longest lines. One, because there were only two of them and they were 10 to 15 deep all day long, all day long. So you're waiting 40 to 45 minutes just to play. I got to play it three times, four, because during the, uh, one of the cool things about TPF is there's like a VIP slash exhibitor time from 11 PM till 2 AM on Saturday night. And there's half to a third of the amount of people, two thirds of the amount of people there. Okay. That's a good tip. Really small. It's much smaller. So you only wait like 20 minutes to, to play. All right. So here's my thoughts. When you play it, it shoots very, very well. This is good. The rollercoaster ramp, if you will, is fun. The callouts need help, right? They needed some help. And Chris said that. So I don't think that that, you know, he mentioned me, I said, what code do you want? Right? Because I knew I was going on a podcast later that day. And I didn't want to say I need, you need callouts if he's on point seven. I mean, gosh darn it, was he on point seven? And he was on point seven. You know the call outs are gonna get better. You know everything's gonna get better. But does it shoot good? And it does. So the call outs will get better. The piano music's a little annoying after a while. Again, that can be fixed too. And that's gonna be fixed. So Chris, there's one thing Chris is very good at is listening to the public, if you will, And taking advice, I heard some people didn't like the art. I had no problem with the art. He has a special type of art that he likes, very kid friendly. He's not going to show a Yukon eating someone. This is not Chris Turner's vibe, Albert, right? So it shot very well. I liked it. The avalanche multiball is a really cool feature of like Venom and Aerosmith, where you can Start it. Now he doesn't have a center button, so you have to flip the two flippers. Okay. And there's, okay, so what? And you can choose it or not choose it. And the first time I got the multiball, I chose it. I was like, forget it, I got three locked, I'm doing it. And then the last two times I tried to get the five and I couldn't get it.
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    I kept choking. But I did see someone get the five And it is a really cool feature. This avalanche comes down, the balls are all over the place, you got five balls, Stern multiball, very fun feature. Congratulations to Chris and the team.
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    Yeah, I... So, I liked it. I'm glad to hear you say that it's a good shooter. That's the hardest part for me, you know, being an armchair, you know, spectator, watching videos. I mean, it took me like two years before I got to play Stranger Things for the first time. I still haven't played a ton of games that have came out. Like I still haven't ever got to play X-Men. There's just none on the East Coast of Canada that I'm aware of like that I can play. So it takes me a long time to get to play games. So I have to kind of say, you know, what I like about the art, what I, how the shots kind of look, what I like about the mechs. But you can only tell so much till you play it. So the fact that you're saying that it plays this well makes me very excited because I think some of the other things need some work. Now, it seems to be by far the best shooter ever by Turner. I agree you can change the sound in the callouts and dear God do they need some work. I'm not trying to be rude. Again, that piano song could be used in like one mode of five, that's it. Or a wizard mode, please God. You know what I mean? They need something else. They need, like you said, I think on the round table, like a dirty pool or a Glen the Skateboarder or like someone who knows sound. They don't have to pay for the highest, they don't have to like try to steal the Stern guy or something, you know what I mean? But they need to get someone to mix it a bit better and have more variety and just kind of listen to the feedback from TPF. If there's one thing that's apparent is that Chris is an engineer, okay? He's an unbelievable engineer and just looking underneath the playfield how he does the glass and everything integrated, this man is an engineer. He needs some help on the marketing side and he definitely needs some help on the sound side. Jeff from Dirty Pool, Blandon Skateboard, these are two people that he should be on his speed dial to reach out to because they can make this better. I'll tell you this, we put a bow on this, I think he's going to sell his 500. Yeah, it's going to take a while. I really do. Yeah, but that's okay. He hasn't sold 500 anything yet. Right. So, okay. Now, I was talking to an industry executive and I'm not going to tell you who. I'm not sure that's the answer. I don't think so. But he was blown away with Turner, and he's like, I wonder if Stern or JJP would ever buy Turner. Okay? Because if you pick up a Stern, look at all the wire harnesses, look at all the wire workers that they have at Stern. That's gone, with this boards that he uses. Wow. It's... So wait, wait, wait, wait. You're saying... I'd be shocked. Are you suggesting here, because I always knew that underneath it looks cleaner, and I know it's more user friendly for the end user because they just have the clips and everything so you can change out like even myself being you know pretty bad at mechanical stuff I could probably actually do certain updates to a Turner board but are you suggesting that if a company like Stern or even JJP were to buy up this Turner technology that all of a sudden they would spend thousands less man hours actually making the under play field of the game and therefore lower the bottom line perhaps? Yeah, I think just as a business sense, you got to, when you do that Stern tour or a JJP tour, you see so many line workers. And I'm not trying to advocate Stern buying Turner Pinball and letting people go. I'm never for letting people go. But if you want to progress in the world of pinball, I think Turner's got something serious going on here with his undercarriage and how he does the mechanical things. But I'll tell you, it's going to be a really interesting thing. The electric bat is getting a Yukon Yeti. Okay. And the two greatest techs in the world are Rachel Best and Kayl Hernandez. And I'll tell you what, if they have. So it'll be interesting if you listen to Electric Batcast over the course of the next few months. Yeah. How is Yukon Yeti not only earning, but also how is it holding up?
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    And, you know, Chris told me, he goes, we have a bunch of locations in Texas And they hold up good. They hold up phenomenally. We've had no issues with Ninja Eclipse is the one that's been out on location mostly. So, all right, Chris, let's see. Good luck. And yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if one day Chris sold the organization. I 100% agree with you on almost everything that you said. The one thing I would have to push back in petit petit purr, just because I'm so close to the French border here. Okay, a little bit, okay, for you Anglophones, I'm telling you right now, that artwork ain't gonna fly for much past 500. So I like, I think Brad's artwork is very good for so many things. I don't know if, I even think it was okay on Ninja Clips for that style, because he was kind of going for a Ninja Gaiden type of 90s, you know, retro. I just think for this one, look, could he have got a better artist for whatever he paid the guy, Brad, you know, I don't know if that's his buddy. Brad Albright? No, it's not Brad Albright. It's Brad Duke, I believe. Brad Duke, don't quote me on that. Okay. So, and I like that style for certain things. I just don't, you know, we've heard other people say I don't like Zombietti's style on for certain things and that I disagree. I love everything Yeti's ever done, but I'm kind of just a, I'm a Stern fanboy like that, right? I guess, but to me personally, I heard one thing and I can't hear it again. The first thing is Scott from Loser Kid. He said that the last pinball machine, what was the medieval one called? Merlin's Arcade. He said Merlin's Arcade kind of appeared to be a little bit Great Wolf Lodge-ish and I thought that was hilarious. I couldn't stop thinking of that. That's a very funny, yeah. But I think that's what Chris Turner's going for and so that's okay. But then... I was saying that, yeah. So, in Kaneda's chat, someone in Kaneda's chat, our buddy Chris, someone over there said in the chat, and I don't remember who it was, but I was rewatching one of the Saturday Morning Spectaculars, now that I work every Saturday morning, I can't be in there and getting myself in trouble live, thankfully. And someone said something that I couldn't stop laughing about, I told my wife about it, she totally agreed. I grew up, you know, I was baptized Catholic, but I grew up in the United Church, and we always had these little cartoons given out at Sunday school, and they were kind of like consumption activity audience I don't like to say that I'm in the media, I just on my podcast. And said, I don't know if I love the art, Chris. And Chris went, that's okay, I do. So good for Chris Turner. Okay, good for him. Okay, he likes it. And as long as he likes it, and he thinks he gets L500, then salute. And like you said, you know, the two things he agreed that might need some work is the music and the callouts. And if they work on the music and the callouts, the rest of it's great. I agree with you, the engineering is incredible. The artwork, he'll just, I think they're gonna get better and better. I'm, I think we're at a good time in pinball with so many little boutique companies doing better and better. So let's move on to the one pinball machine you didn't play that you were supposed to play and that's Hexa Pinball's Three Musketeers. I've seen the video. I know you didn't get to play it. What was the vibe like when you talked to the Hexa guys? I feel so bad for them. The minute it made it through on Thursday, it went through like a rumor I think it's a huge honor through all of us that Hexa Pinball is not going to have three Musketeers here because it was stuck in customs in Memphis, Tennessee. And so Ralph and I walked up to the Hexa guys and gals and I don't remember his name, but I think, you know, he's head of Hexa. He just looked so defeated and I felt so darn bad for him Albert because you know this is this was a big show for them and this is a big show to Lawn Street Musketeers And how do you empirically put a number on how many they could have sold if that was there You know you don sell unless you spooky You don't sell out. You got to show it and show it and keep bringing it and keep bringing it. And you know, they're, they're a French little engine they could, and they just, they got screwed by us customs. So I felt really terrible for them. I really did. Wow. I uh and that's the thing like I as you know I used to own I it's kind of on a hiatus a little coffee company and tea company called angry alpaca well our biggest show of the year and I guarantee you it costs probably 80 percent less than going you know to go from France to go to TPF our our biggest show of the year was uh in the Annapolis Valley here and we have to hit three thousand four hundred dollars in sales to break even because we have to pay for you know you know two employees we have to pay for air We have to pay for B&B for three nights. We have to pay for meals for three days. And then, of course, even if our markup is 30%, we have to get to three times whatever we've sold to earn back enough to break even on just the cost of goods. Right. So I'm guessing for HEXA, they probably could have sold out of like, not all of their pins, but say they sold even a quarter of their three Musketeers, they probably still wouldn't have broke even on their trip. Now, with those pins being stuck in customs, the chances of them ever having that same excitement, like you get this is a do or die one time, you know, you have a one time chance to really make a big impression on people. And that that was a lost moment for them. However, if the game shoots well, like you said, if the game does shoot well, I think it's going to Pinsonati or some other big, some some small to medium sized show in a couple weeks, I think so. But follow Hexa Pinball on all their socials, they'll let you know where They're going so hopefully it's out of customs. I saw the video just now. I feel bad for the company, but I want you to give me your honest thoughts after watching the video, Jamie.
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    Um, yeah, I'm not gonna buy it. I'm not the market for it. I'm an on location player. So but if you know, there are plenty, plenty of collectors that just like that weird machine, you know, and that different machine and just a different company and if they can play into that, that The collectability factor of it. You never know, Albert. You never know what they could do. It didn't seem anything that was groundbreaking in the machine. So, I still wanted to play it. I still wanted to play it. I'm bummed for them. Okay, let me ask you a more direct question because you're kind of pivoting here left and right, alright? Do you think it's a step up from Space Hunt? I think... Oh, sure. I'll give you my thoughts. You could hit the right ramp in Space Hunt. Okay, okay. So, I mean, the canon looks cool. The canon looks cool in Three Musketeers. And who was, was Chevy Chase and Steve Martin and um... The Three Amigos, my friend. Yeah, is that not, was The Three Amigos, is that not kind of based on like The Three Musketeers or is it non-related? Am I silly? No, it's not related. Oh! It's a spoof movie. Oh gosh! Well, okay, well never mind. So I don't really know if I know much about The Three Musketeers. It was like a cartoon in the 80s or something or like a movie? No, it's an old, old French story of three people that... Because I know Zorro. ...do good for... Yeah, Zorro's totally different. They do the zing. I'm not... I love Zorro. Yeah, Zorro's different. And I know the Lone Ranger, him and Tonto, but I don't know the story of that. That's the thing is So we're just kind of kind of, what do you think of this? Have you seen it? I think it's super cool. I'm not sure what it looks like on a pinball machine and I don't think it's that cool. I think it's pretty cool, but I think it's pretty crazy. It's crazy. It's like, nobody in a, maybe, but maybe in Europe, like everyone's like nostalgic for it. Maybe they read it like we read Lord of the Rings when we were kids or something. You know what I mean? Yeah, maybe. Maybe over there it's big. So I wish them the best. Yeah. I think it's an improvement. The cannon mech is cool. I did watch some of the live stream, actually. Pinball if you're listening which we say here on the poor man's pinball network a lot okay are you listening uh you need when i type into youtube because i was doing the tiniest bit of research before we talked when you go onto youtube and you type hexa pinball or you type three musketeers you only get like an unofficial live stream from like a week ago you don't get like the actual trailer video or at least i could not find it easily so they need to do a better job like because i know it's on the nap arcade site thank you nap thank you jason but like it's hard for me as I'm just like a regular pinball dude to like find it and watch it but I did watch the video and what I do like is they have that mech at the back that mansion or castle or whatever I think it's a castle and if you hit the the leftmost stand up target it drops down and and all of a sudden you can hit this scoop that you couldn't hit before but if you hit the right two it can go up a different ramp and do something else or go into somewhere so that is kind of neat you don't see that that often I don't love the artwork I have no clue about the All of these are the pinball companies that have been successful so far. Cheers to them. I want every pinball company to succeed. So I want to try to give constructive criticism. I like that. Cheers to them. That'll be my new thing because I always say good luck. So cheers to them. Well, I know what you're cheersing with, Jamie. You know what? You're cheersing with a Diet Coke. I am right here. Bing. Right here. Bing. Cheers. Okay, I just tried to cheers Jamie. I mean, I, now on this, I know you were asked when you were talking with Craft Beer Sally and Foghorn Leghorn, of course, of the pinball junk drawer, you had, they had asked you if you knew much about the lore of Ian and Drew from the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. And I don't want to jump to that quite yet. I know you said you hadn't listened to them a lot. They were kind of getting out of pinball podcasting when you were coming in. But one question they always asked is, what you drinking? So I know what you're drinking. If you could go ahead and ask me. Whatcha drinking? Oh, thanks for asking, Jamie. I appreciate that. Yeah. I'm drinking Tatamagush Brewing Company, which is a really cool beach town near here. Think like, I don't know, like... Hippity dippity pale ale. Hippity dippity. No, hippy dippity pale ale. There you go. Oh, hipp... No, it's hippy dippity. I call it hippity dippity just to be a weirdo. But, anyways, I started with a sour tonight. I wanted... you always gotta start with a sour. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And then it's called them bot, don't ask. I think it was made for Pride Month, so it's kind of cool. I think it's a blackberry, like a Nova Scotia blackberry kettle sour for anyone who cares about that stuff. And then I jumped into a really good like guava fruit, or no, dragon fruit and guava sour from Propeller Brewing in Halifax. And now we're finishing with a little IPA, an IPA for my last beer. And I've done, I'm going to go off topic here for a second, Jamie. I've done something I think- Go for it! Your podcast, sir. Hey, I've been a bit of a... I like to, you know, talk open and honestly, and I've been a bit of a binge drinker for most of my years since college. I thankfully don't quite fit into the alcoholic category. I've checked a couple times, thankfully, or I would have had to given this stuff up years ago. So this year I'm trying to follow the Canadian food guide of like whatever's safe and stay between... for males it's supposed to be four to five drinks max per week. So what I'm doing is I'm tracking every single beer that I have all year round. I mean, if I'm at a wedding or a funeral or it's past midnight and I have an extra beer or two, I forget about the, you know, that's going to happen, I'm sure. But this right now, my friend, is beer number 33 of the year for me and it is delicious. And I actually, it sounds silly, like I hated counting carbs before when I've done it. It is not quite as hard as counting carbs because you only have, you know, four to six a week or whatever, but I've really decided to cut out all alcohol that's not beer. It doesn't mean I wouldn't have a glass of wine at a wedding if I had to from time to I'm curious when you are drinking, I heard a pretty cool story on Kaneda's Pinball Podcast. I'm curious when you do have some drinks, do you drink beer? Do you normally drink rye, gin? Are you drinking the sake with Kaneda or what are you drinking? I did drink some sake with Kaneda and that was a lot of fun. But then I switched to bourbon and bourbon, I'm a sipping bourbon with a little cube guy. I may have a few bourbons a month tops, but I think I have more than a few. I didn't think you drank much. I'm sorry? Oh, sorry. I said I didn't think you drank very often. You're not a... No, I don't. Special occasions. Did you have a couple at TPS? Yeah, special occasions. I had a couple beers. A couple beers. Good for you. Nothing serious. Nothing crazy. All right. Well, let's talk about homebrew. That's the only thing I think we're missing here on my little short list I wrote out that We haven't talked about... Well, we can... I do, real quick, want to get... Before we get to homebrew, I want to talk about Barrels of Fun real quick. You know I have a soft spot in my heart with barrels. B.O.F. And they had a quiet room that they let us in, Albert. Okay. And I think most manufacturers should do this, especially if there's room to allow you a special room. They had all three of their pins there, Labyrinth, Dune, and Winchester. You can hear the brilliance of Jeff Dodson. You can see the brilliance of their lighting and especially Dune, especially Dune, brother. And the Pepper's Ghost effect and Winchester. You get to just see everything. You're not in line. They brought anyone that's a Barrels customer or is interested in it got access to the room. It wasn't a VIP room or anything like that. So I got to really talk to Jeff Dodson and he gave us like a tutorial on how to play Dune. And the line workers who are my buddies gave me a tutorial on how to play Winchester. And having that is so great because you get to experience the game even more. And it's just too bad you can't buy these games. It really is because they're so great. They just did an excellent job of Winchester I can't wait to see what happens next. I am not excited it's never ending story because it's just a thing that doesn't do anything to me, but Labyrinth wasn't a thing that did anything for me. I enjoyed it. So you never know.
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    Well, I'll tell you what I was. I wouldn't say I was I don't want to say I was like, I'll say I was skeptical about Dune because of the timing of the launch as a guy that came from like going to school for marketing and advertising. For me personally, like I get so I'm so irritated if I think me, myself, some dude living in a little village of 400 people in River Hibberts, Nova Scotia, could have possibly helped a launch, a dude who works for like two bucks more than minimum wage, you know what I mean? If I could have, with a degree from 30 years ago when there wasn't even like, people barely had smartphones, you still played Snake on your phone when I took marketing in college, like that's how much of a dinosaur I am. And I still know how bad your multi-million dollar company kind of like launched a bit too early. And so that was my disappointment because the shots in Dune look incredible. After Jeff took over the music and callouts, they're incredible. The sandworm is incredible. And one of my, well, probably my son, Owen, his absolute favorite actor is Timothée Chalamet. Right. So, well, how do you how do you learn, Albert? Right. How do you learn? You make mistakes. Yeah, yeah. And should, real quick. Yes, I talked, I sound like I'm a bragger here and I don't mean to, but I spent a lot of time with everyone. You're a humble guy, we all know that. A lot of these executives and I talked to a bigwig at Barrels and he said, we learned a lot from the Dune launch. We learned maybe you don't launch against Harry Potter and
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    King Kong. We also learned, you know, we want it to be a little further along, so don't rush it. We also learned how to deal with, uh, you know, he called the special K. So it was not the best launch, but now people got to, I think because Winchester was so darn successful, the Carl factor, the Carl factor that everyone got to say, Hey, let's check out Dune since I can't get a Winchester now. And then they fell back in love with it. And, uh, you know, the rest is history. So good luck to barrels. Good showing, lines were constant. And then they did something called Barrel Ball, which is really cool. It's basically... Stall Ball, right? It's Stall Ball in their own code and they played it on Labyrinth, I think then they played it on Dune. So it's available in all their games. So that was really fun. I enjoyed Barrel, spent a lot of time in their booths. Uh, spent a lot of time on Stern. Stern wasn't there, but Fun Billiards, which is a distributor, I believe, out of Dallas, uh, took the Marco spot since Marco is now doing most the homebrew section and they brought ton of machines and Pokemon. Look, we know they don't have achievements. They need achievements. You need that Pokedex on your phone. It's gotta be licensed. Right. But it's not licensed. It's not. Yeah. Okay. So the licensors, you know, and you're dealing with the biggest IP in the world. And, you know, we talked to some execs at Stern and they said, look, we're trying everything we can to get that Pokedex out and these achievements out. We're doing everything we can and we're going to get it out. And so I have 23 Pokemon and I just want to go to my phone. I've collected 23, Albert. I just want to go to my phone and just see all the Pokemon I've collected because I played that the most, that and Winchester. I played Winchester. You did! That's a testament. Yeah, I played Winchester the most and Pokemon a lot. And we have a Pokemon at Eureka Heights, but I had never played the Premium because I didn't go to Media Day. So I like it. You don't need the Premium. The Pro is great.
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    But the Premium is really cool because when you collect your Pokemon, you can flip it from the left flipper.
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    Like you can backhand it easier? You can backhand it. Okay. Yeah, because it lifts up, which is a cool feature. So there's something about that countdown, Albert, that drives you crazy. You get so darn nervous when the time is clicking to collect your Pokemon because you don't know if you're going to get another Pokemon this round. So that's what's so cool about it. Wow. So if, okay, like, let's, this is, I'm going to kind of put you out here again. I got it. You know, I used to have a lot of hot takes. They've been a little colder the last year or two. I'm getting older, you know, I'm getting I'm not 25 making podcasts anymore, you know. I'm curious if if there was no cost, so I mean it cost you zero dollars and zero cents to get a Beetlejuice or zero dollars and zero cents to get a Dune and zero it was free to get any pinball machine there. Would you get and don't say like Pokemon Ellie and you'd sell it for 20 or Evil Dead and you'd sell it for 18. I just want to know if you had to keep it for life you could never sell it, but you only got one. Would it be Pokemon? Would it be Winchester? Would it be Dune? Would it be Three Musketeers? Don't lie, Jamie! That's a good question, Albert. You know, I'm a sucker for achievements. I'm a sucker for the Stearns. So it would be up there, but out of the ones I played probably Winchester and then Beetlejuice would be the two that I would want in my house for a long time because Beetlejuice is... Jamie, you gotta pick one. You gotta pick one. I mean you know my buddy Jeff Teolis okay He has the final round right Oh yeah he does He does the example with where you at the cliff and you holding on to one hand you got Winchester the other hand you got uh what was the second Pokemon Yeah, I'll go with Winchester. Okay, Winchester, I like that. You've got the Karl factor. I, I, my only thing is long, long, long term, I think like if, let's say you're one of these people who only cares about the value, I'm kind of weird because I'm a tournament player who also cares about collectability, who also cares about how good it plays and doesn't care, say like Beetlejuice might not be or Harry Potter might not be the best tournament game. I don't care. I still love just playing it for moments and trying to get to the wizard mode and see what's happening. So I'm kind of strange that way that I like kind of all the different aspects of pinball. But from a collectability standpoint, I would be shocked if Winchester, and I love you Karl, I'm just saying, Outside of the hardcore pinball nerds who know Karl, I'd be shocked if 10 years from now, Beetlejuice wasn't worth more, Harry Potter wasn't worth significantly more, even like a Pokemon, even Pokemon Pro, I'd be shocked if it wasn't worth significantly more than Winchester. But that being said, I trust you that you're saying that from a player's perspective, because Karl is such an incredible player, whether it be tournaments or live streaming or putting together INDISC, right? Karl's so good at that, like he's got that Karl factor of... You might be wrong. I think you can't go wrong with Harry Potter and your house either. So I played a lot of Harry Potter, got to talk to all the Jersey Jack people and they're going to kill it with Sonic. They're just going to kill it. They're so excited about the next game. We saw Jack and we begged him to say, don't spend another dime. And he did his lesson. He learned his lesson. He did? Yeah, but he didn't say what the game is. He just said, just don't spend another dime. So, but let's get to the homebrew real quick because we're just going to stop here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Okay. Tell me the homebrews and then we're going to move on up. They did a phenomenal job. If anyone went to Expo and saw what Marco did at Expo, they did their best to duplicate that at TPF. It's not as big as your show, right? They got 14 foam brewers all in different areas of where they're going to go. And Top Gun and Big Trouble in Little China were the two that people were buzzing about the most. Top Gun especially because it kind of came out of nowhere and no one really knew that he was working on it. And the call outs and the cut scenes are so outstanding that he just nailed it. I don't remember his name and I'm sorry if you're listening to this but uh um so had he made other homebrews that gentleman who did Top Gun is this his first one or yes his first one wow wow and what a freshman maiden voyage it's really fun it's really fun you can put this out on the floor and it it's just going to get better and better so and and then I don't know if you know this but Jeff Dodson of Dirty Pool a frat shout out friend of the show he said And he set up a booth for people to do call outs so you can get some media creators or anyone to do call outs. And you had a list of 30 call outs and you would just go multiball and all these things. It took you three minutes to record them all. And then he's going to splice those up. And if any homebrewer wants the JBS show or Retro Ralph to be your call outs, you get it for free. And I'm so happy that we did that. I don't know why you would want me to do your call-outs, but if you did, it's going to be up. Jeff Dodson's going to take care of that. I hope he brings it to Expo, Albert, because there'll be even twice as many people that'll do it if he goes there. Aaron from Fast Pinball is such a lovely guy. And the Fast Pinball system, which does Predator, I think Barrels of Fun. I don't know. I know he's selling a heck of a lot of these board systems. I think, yeah, I'm 99% sure they run on fast. Yeah, me too. And Aaron, if I'm wrong, and David Van Es, don't not come on my show. David has reached out and even said he would love to come on my show because I did invite David on the Christmas show and he wasn't able to make it. So he said in the future, closer to a launch, he'd love to come on the show, which is, for me, I only get like, you know, four to six hundred listens, maybe more when Jamie's on, come on. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to get that on the show. I don't get that many listens, so for him to say he's going to come on my show, shout out to him and barrels of fun. I love everything you do on there. He's a good guest, so get him on. Get him on. What are we missing here? I want to do a bit of a speed round here because I know you have to go very shortly, so I heard you say something that hurt my little heart a tiny bit. You were on the pinball studio and you with Sterling I believe right and you mentioned that you don't have a lot of baseball cards but you are such a huge Yankees fan am I correct? I'm a huge Yankees fan I don't know where I said this I don't know if it was Sterling or not. You mentioned you don't own any baseball cards. No I'm not a baseball card collector my brother was a huge baseball card collector. Okay so. From Clear to Tops to Dunrus you know I know everything about them. I just, he collected the cards, I ate the gum. How long have you been a Yankees fan? Oh, my whole life. Okay, listen, what I'm gonna do is I'm out of the collectibles game now, I stopped doing shows about seven months ago, that's why I have this other job now. You were a top tier Patreon for me for a long time and I've never had the pleasure of sending you anything, so I'm gonna go through all my sports cards sometime soon and I'm gonna fire you off all the Yankees ones. She's one when the tariffs are gone when the tariffs are gone yeah I heard a nightmare story about even Jimmy Kimmel ordered like a $35 the North Face sweater and he got charged $50 in tariffs so once the tariffs are gone I can fire some of that stuff out but I have a couple really good I'm not going to send you millions of dollars of cards but I'm gonna send you a little bit of 80s 90s all I have a sermon months them Oh God I mean I don't have a sign one or anything but yeah I don't have a graded one I definitely have a couple is a Who's your top three? If you think of a couple of Thurman Munson's, that's my favorite player of all time. Okay, when would he have stopped playing? Like late 80s? So he died, unfortunately, not to get... he died in a terrible plane crash when I think 1979 or 1978. Oh God. Okay, I might not have a Thurman Munson, but I have lots of other names. So Thurman was the catcher of the New York Yankees and a... to geek out for the five baseball fans here that are listening. He tragically died and Reggie Jackson was supposed to be in that plane. So not only could we have lost Thurman, we could have lost Reggie as well. So anyway, that's not a quick answer. No, it is a lightning round. So let's go. Let's go for a quick answer. I want two, three sentences max. What is your favorite part of being as you've called it, I love this term, a micro influencer? What is your favorite part? Meeting people. Okay. I'm not a shy guy, just meeting people and talking to them and if they like what I do, I'm so appreciative. That's so cool. And that's the weird part is like I've never got to meet so many of these people. I've never been to Pinball Expo, I've never been to TPF. It's gonna happen. My wife and I are selling the farm either spring of next year or summer of next year. My youngest son is now going to college in what, seven months, six months? Oh, five months, I don't know. So we're going to be empty nesters. This 2500 square foot farmhouse with seven acres to take care of is just way, way, way too much. And I've told my wife, I said, listen, honey, I don't need to go like get an expensive car when I hit my midlife crisis. I don't need to go on expensive trips to Cozumel, Mexico or like Iceland or like even Europe. I love you, Europe. I'm sorry, Cengiz. I love you, but I don't want to go over there. OK, I where I want to go. You want to go to Pinball Expo. Once a year, once a year I want to go to either Pinball Expo and then the next year TPF and vice versa the rest of my life starting next year. That's it. My one trip of the year. Maybe my wife will come one every three years or something depending on if we have dog sitters and such but anyways, that's I would love to do it. Goals brother, goals. Let's make this happen. Expo. It's gonna happen this year. Okay, next up my the lightning round.
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    What is it like to do the round table with Ralph and Kale? Who's a bigger diva, Ralph or Kale? I'm so curious behind the scenes Ralph Ralph's got to have it just perfect perfect no no he's just the busiest of all of us kale is running an arcade I'm not saying he's not busy yeah but kale is very flexible much more to record than Ralph Ralph getting Ralph to record is a big pain in the ass but we love you Ralph no I'm just kidding hey Ralph didn't come on my Christmas show busy I will get Ralph on this show I will get Ralph okay and I don't want to spill the tea here if you really want to tell me I'm not going to be off air or just not tell me at all. You don't have to. I had to ask one tea question. You got to spill the tea if you like. What was the deal with, I've heard Ralph mention it, I've heard the punk rock pinball people mention it who I absolutely love as well. I'm curious, was there some minor like beef or something like just a joke that went astray or like what happened with that? Nobody knows. You guys always mention it but no one tells the back story. It's a total misunderstanding and... They said his gloves weren't punk rock enough, didn't they? Yeah, it was a total misunderstanding and they're lovely people and whenever I can get a chance to make fun of Ralph, I'm gonna take it. But they worked it out. They worked it out. Okay. The only problem Ralph has right now is Cengiz, so we gotta get Cengiz back on board. Okay, Cengiz, are you listening? Don and Cengiz reached out to me last week and they specifically said they want me to come on for a Pokemon show. I'm only coming on the show if you unblock retro rad Ralph. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. No, you go on the show. I will. I will. I'm totally kidding. But Jamie... Again, it's another misunderstanding. Jamie, if I can make up with Cengiz, then definitely 100% Retro Ralph can. Because Retro Ralph is the sweetest, kindest, coolest dude out there. He is. Cengiz might take a little bit of time. He'll come around. He'll come around like a beautiful flower. He'll open up like a daisy in the spring. So, okay, last question and then we're going to end it there. I gotta know, be open and honest with me, what can we look forward to? I know only Franchi's your only interview for the whole rest of the year on the JBS show or with the Roundtable, but like what type of content can we look forward to? Because you still do interviews straight up just through the JBS show. Where's your content going? I know you're live streaming less. What are we going to see with the JBS show in the next 6 to 12 months? How are you going to evolve your social media? Are you going to keep doing those fricking hilarious shorts you do? And that is that where it's going? I'm having a blast with those shorts, dude. So I'm going to, you know, I'll post four to five shorts a week. I'll continue to do the roundtable and I'll continue to do once a month, the JBS show. What I'm good interviews. In fact, I'm interviewing a newer group called Pinball Pursuit, Cameron and his wife, Jane Ann. I've heard of them. I'm going to interview them next week and they're great. But, uh, the one I miss, I used to do a show with Ko from Corner Drop Arcade called Arcades Across America. And we just have not had the time. That guy is busy as can be. So look for one or two of those this year, cause I'd like to do another one of those. Not much live streaming though. Like not as much. I know. No, just maybe three to four times a year. I'm going to go up against Ralph from his arcade. I love that. In his garage. And my arcade here at Eureka Heights that I go to and we're going to just do it. And we're going to live stream against each other in different locations and use this technology that we have that's pretty cool. Well, this isn't even a question. This is just for Ralph in case he happens to listen. Ralph, if you want a chance at beating Jamie, I'll just straight up tell you not that I'm ranked very high on IFPA anymore. I'm like 6,000th or something. I think if I lived in Chicago I could break into the top 2,000 or 1,500. I'd probably never be a top 1,000 player and that's fine. But Retro Ralph, listen, you gotta dead bounce more! You flip too often. When I'm watching his stream, I'm like, don't type it in chat. Sometimes I go to chat, I'm like, oh, if you had dead bounced you would've got that multiball. But then I'm like, don't, that's rude. It's hard. I'm 4,400 in the world. Right. I gotta be honest, dead bouncing's just not natural. But I have added that to my arsenal. Forward nudge. Every dead bounce, forward nudge. Yeah, I'm not moving the machines as much as Ralph does, and I think if Ralph would add the dead bounce to his arsenal, he'd be one much better player. Well, let me give this tip to you then, as a more advanced dead bouncer. Something that changed my game is usually I would only dead bounce when I wanted the flipper on the opposite flipper, so I'd dead bounce off the left if I had a shot I wanted to make on the right. How you accelerate your game by leaps and bounds, and I'm getting a little bit nerdy We are the Pinball Nerds Podcast. What you do is, as the ball is coming down, if you know that the shot you want to nail is from the flipper the ball is going to, you give it a double forward nudge right as it hits. Just gently, obviously not on a super tight tilt. But if you know, say for instance, that you want to start, I don't know, say you're playing World Cup soccer and you want to start the multiball and it's really, really hard to backhand from that angle, you almost have to be on the left flipper unless you're like Keith Elwin or something, right? Or Raymond Davidson. So what you do if it's coming to your left flipper is you do a forward nudge right as it hits. That will give it more than enough energy to get across to the right flipper and right as it hits that right flipper you give it another forward right nudge, kind of. But anyways, I'm going a little deep here in the weeds. That will bring it back to your original flipper that it came to so that you can cradle up and hit that shot. Because trying to hit that final score shot, the final round shot, from just like from it coming down through a feed through your in lane from a ramp, nearly impossible. Coming out of an orbit, nearly impossible for everybody. You'll even see the top players out there do up to like a triple, like a triple dead bounce if they have to to get it back, back, back and back again, right? But I mean, that's the thing is like really, I think especially on EMs and solid states when you're playing in tournaments, if you can level up your dead bouncing, it literally allows you to cradle up and shoot for every shot. The older you get the, so for me, I'm, I track all the time. You can use it on any app to track your hand-eye coordination and see your reaction speed. I'm sitting right now at .29 of a second usually. When my sons did it they got like .18 and .19. So they're literally 33% faster reaction time than me. A younger player under like 30 years old may not need to dead bounce and cradle up as often to be as accurate. Whereas someone who's, you know, getting past 40 like me or closer to 50 than 40, you're gonna need to cradle up a little bit more, slow down the ball, especially on a modern stern. And if you can figure out how to do more dead bouncing, it just, it, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I swear to God, that's the difference between being like novice and like starting to get into like being a decent player. But I've gone into the weeds here. Your poor sister is waiting. I want to let you go. Do you have any shout outs you want to give or anything else you want to say before I get you off the horn here? No, just, you know, thank you for having me on Albert. I love your show. I love you. And I really appreciate you letting me come on here and and talk TPF, everything TPF. And if I missed a manufacturer today, I'm really sorry. That was not my intent, but my pizza is here, my wife's. Oh my gosh, okay. Go get your yummy pizza, have a wonderful night, thanks for coming Jamie, take it easy, and say it with me if you know it, until next time pinball nerds, remember to eat, sleep, and breathe. TPF pinball?