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Pinball Expo Recap w/ Doug from CoolToy!

Mystery Pinball Theater 3000·video·1h 8m·analyzed·Oct 25, 2023
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TL;DR

Cool Toy's Pinball Expo debut: gameplay critiques and manufacturing concerns.

Summary

Doug from Cool Toy attended Pinball Expo as a stand-in, providing a first-timer's perspective on notable machines including Magic Girl, Hercules, Venom, Queen, Alien, Pulp Fiction, Big Lebowski, and Galactic Tank Force. The conversation covers gameplay impressions, design critiques (particularly regarding Pro vs Premium editions and playfield layouts), pricing concerns, and manufacturing quality issues like 3D-printed components in production units.

Key Claims

  • Magic Girl had severe plunge and ball control issues at Expo, with players draining without getting flippers on the ball

    high confidence · Doug describing hands-on experience at Expo; witnessed and experienced the problem multiple times

  • Magic Girl was priced at $45,000 or best offer at Expo

    high confidence · Doug directly observed the pricing display at the show

  • Stern did not have carpet at their Pinball Expo booth this year, unlike previous years

    high confidence · Multiple attendees mentioned this; Doug confirms no carpet observation

  • Venom Pro edition costs $6,999 while Premium Edition is $9,699

    high confidence · Doug citing actual pricing from Stern

  • Venom Pro edition lacks the choose-your-own-host mechanism that changes shots in four ways on Premium Edition

    high confidence · Doug explaining design differences between tiers

  • Queen has playfield layout issues including ball hangups on drop target lines and inconsistent plunge skill shots

    high confidence · Doug played multiple Queen machines at Expo, experienced same issues repeatedly

  • Dutch Pinball is developing Back to the Future pinball in partnership with Universal, not Stern

    medium confidence · Described as rumor/talk from Pinball Expo

  • Big Lebowski is priced at $15,000 and has durability issues in operation

    medium confidence · Host mentions durability problems with their own machine; Doug cites price rumors

  • Galactic Tank Force features 3D-printed toys visible with print lines instead of injection-molded components

    high confidence · Doug directly observed and criticized the production quality at Expo

  • Pulp Fiction was priced around $8,000 at Expo announcement

Notable Quotes

  • “I said, I am christened with the last name Robert T. 'Bob' Smith, and I'm here to represent.”

    Doug@ 0:53 — Doug humorously explains how he secured the Expo attendance by jokingly claiming to be 'Robert T. Bob Smith' (the host's actual name)

  • “It's as if you played Hercules. You just go, Yeah, it's a box you check off on the little pinball experience list.”

    Host (Manu)@ 8:08 — Captures the sentiment that certain games are bucket-list experiences rather than genuinely enjoyable

  • “I dislike the Pro edition because I feel it is too stripped down. The mechanism for the choose your own host... I think is integral.”

    Doug@ 15:56 — Core criticism of Stern's three-tier strategy; Doug argues Pro loses essential gameplay mechanics

  • “The speed... the changing play field thing to me is a nice gimmick but it reeks of slowing the game down... where the shots just whip around and come back at you.”

    Host (Manu)@ 17:26 — Counters Doug's position; argues Premium Edition's mech complexity slows core fast-shooter design

  • “I like listening to the game being played.”

    Doug@ 31:33 — Backhanded compliment suggesting Queen sounds better than it plays

  • “I shouldn't be able to see the 3d print lines... I don't expect to see something that joe schmoe can print in their garage on a commercial product.”

    Doug@ 37:07 — Major quality concern about manufacturing standards on $10k machines

Entities

DougpersonManupersonRobert T. 'Bob' SmithpersonMartypersonPinball ExpoeventMagic GirlgameHerculesgame

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Stern's reduced Expo footprint attributed to capital investment in new manufacturing factory rather than marketing/booth presence.

    medium · Host: 'All the money is in their new factory, Marty.'

  • ?

    community_signal: Stern had significantly reduced Expo presence compared to previous years: no carpet in booth (unlike traditional years), minimal merchandise, only one new game (Venom), small TV for Insider Connected with poor placement. Community perception: Stern 'phoned it in.'

    high · Host: 'I heard a lot of people saying, you know, Stern of all the people, the big dog kind of phoned it in is what the general impression I got'; Doug confirms no carpet observation

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Magic Girl had severe mechanical issues at Expo: plunge unable to reach main playfield consistently, causing players to drain without getting flippers, with severe ball control problems even after successful plunge.

    high · Doug: 'most of the time you couldn't even get the ball to plunge up to get the ball started. Then when it did, it would come firing out of a scoop... drained three times without ever even having a flipper on it'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Queen playfield has persistent ball hangup issues on drop target lines, inconsistent plunge skill shots, and weak flipper power creating unplayable sections. Players experienced same problems on multiple machines.

    high · Doug: 'I would hit them and then the ball would get stuck on top of it and then it would just hang out there's a line of drop targets... and like a full plunge seemed just like bank off a ramp every single time'

  • ?

Transcript

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0:00
Hello friends, welcome to the mystery, the pinball, the theater that they call the mystery Pinball Theater. I'm Manu. And right to my right? Left? Nailed it. Right? To my right? Okay. I mean, on camera, yeah. Okay, good. Hey, it's Doug from Cool Toy. Salutations. Pleasure as always. How are you, my friend? Doug took my place this year at Expo. Yeah. I went in your stead. I said, I am christened with the last name Smith, and I'm here to represent.
1:01
Really, you've heard of us. We founded the country. We planted our flag. Your lanyard said Smith. That's all. Yeah, that's it. Just capitalized, underlied, italicized, even threw a tilde in there just to church it up a little bit. well i'm glad you went and uh uh i'm glad i got you here tonight so we can chat guys if you don't already know doug doug runs a youtube channel which is amazing i've subscribed you definitely need to subscribe right now uh cool i would say mediocre on a good day but thank you so much for the kind words um yeah cool toy uh i met a lot of cool people at pinball expo and the common denominator of that was no one knew my name everyone just called me cool toy which was fine and i realized yeah i i typically don't refer to myself in the third person so that is the reason why people don't know my name but if you've ever wondered what cool toys name is it's doug smith and it's about the most generic vanilla name you can get and you can call me cool toy you can call me cool boy you can call me doug you can call me whatever i will answer to pretty much anything jeff mark frank whatever just don't call him late for dinner hey let me switch this oh look at that hercules so um oh thank you for the uh game club sent you thank you for the link to cool toys channel um marty says i called you and yes he did much appreciated what we got here wow we got a lot of people dr doobie what's up Grammy Flipstream Brock is here Marty of course Lynn oh yep yep you can call me cool daddy I mean technically I'm a father cool daddy depending on who's around that might go over a little awkward but you are a dad yeah still haven't left him on the hood of the car so everything's good the stream is Doug approved haha that's cute I love you um hey vampire hey everybody so we're gonna skip right into this um okay so uh this is your first time hi terry red i turned off a lot of redemptions but i i'm not i can't turn off people's startup sounds we're gonna do that hey what's up terry yeah his wife calls him hot toy i got no control over them you know I'll take it like I said there's worse things in life to be called thank you for the tier one oh you just got gifted a tier one from Marty oh thank you so much I appreciate that hey cool toy nice uh ti wise behind you do you have a yeah I don't have a Rubik's Cube Deluxe in fact I am not ashamed to admit that I am too unintelligent to understand and solve the mystery that is the Rubik's Cube I understand there's like patterns involved but to me it's just like five minutes of fiddling and then it's like okay I don't have the time I can't do this cool daddy how about this one Doug okay see now you're just making it even more complicated like i couldn't do the square like in theory i ought to be able to do that right it's got one less side but uh it's yeah i just read the book that's all i did i cheated i mean but you solved it see i didn't know there was a book back in the day you're already two steps ahead of me didn't use i didn't do stickers Terry. Stickers were for punks to peel the stickers off. Yeah, see I wouldn't have tried that because I would never have got the stickers back on. They would have been crooked and just nah, not happening. Everybody knows if you did that that you did that.

medium confidence · Doug citing what he observed/heard at show

  • “You weren't charged ten thousand dollars for a game that came with 3d printed mods... that should be injection molded.”

    Doug@ 37:48 — Clear indictment of Galactic Tank Force's manufacturing shortcuts

  • “This one does have movie clips and assets... supposedly the rumor is that this company also is going to be in control of a Back to the Future pinball.”

    Host (Manu)@ 35:42 — Introduces major industry rumor about Dutch Pinball's Back to the Future deal

  • “All the money is in their new factory, Marty.”

    Host (Manu)@ 21:44 — Suggests Stern's Expo effort suffered due to capital investment in manufacturing

  • “Can't wait to see some crappy cell phone footage of a new game... try to do that do you want better than i'll give you some crappy dslr footage”

    Doug@ 12:24 — Doug acknowledges community expectations for Expo coverage content

    • Venom
    game
    Queengame
    Aliengame
    Pulp Fictiongame
    Big Lebowskigame
    Galactic Tank Forcegame
    Stern Pinballcompany
    Spooky Pinballcompany
    Jersey Jack Pinballcompany
    Dutch Pinballcompany
    American Pinballcompany
    Hot Wheelsgame
    Houdini Master of Mysterygame
    The Flintstonesgame
    The Big Lebowski Pinballgame
    Insider Connectedgame
    Cool Toyperson
    Isaiahperson
    Brianperson

    licensing_signal: Big Lebowski/Pulp Fiction pricing reflects significant movie licensing costs; Pulp Fiction specifically lacks full movie clip integration despite being $8k, prompting community question about where licensing funds went.

    medium · Host: 'you see the retro layout and everything and then you see the price and you're like you don't really technically have movie clips in this... I don't know how that works'

  • $

    market_signal: Three-tier Venom pricing ($6,999 Pro / $9,699 Premium / LE higher) with Pro edition critically stripped of essential mechanics (choose-your-own-host, additional shot diversity). Host argues $2,700 premium not justified given gameplay differences.

    high · Doug criticizes Pro for missing 'integral' mechanisms; Host counters that Premium's complexity slows core fast-shooter design. Chat debate on whether $2k difference is justified.

  • ?

    product_strategy: Alien release involved licensing approval delays for Sigourney Weaver likeness, with her face still covered in promotional materials pending final approval.

    medium · Doug: 'they just recently i think signed that deal where they have the likeness of sigourney weaver... her like face is still covered so i was like is that like pending approval'

  • ?

    product_concern: Galactic Tank Force features visible 3D-printed toy components with visible print lines in production units instead of injection-molded parts, indicating manufacturing shortcuts or incomplete design development.

    high · Doug: 'I shouldn't be able to see the 3d print lines like me and you can print that... I don't expect to see something that joe schmoe can print in their garage on a commercial product'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Dutch Pinball securing Back to the Future license from Universal (not Stern) with working relationship established. Capacity concerns raised given Big Lebowski demand/durability issues.

    medium · Host: 'supposedly the talk of the Pinball Expo is supposedly Dutch Pinball has a you know working relationship with universal... you can't keep up with demand currently for your Big Lebowski how are you going to keep up with demand for Back to the Future'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Doug's overall Expo impression positive despite specific machine criticisms; emphasis on checking box on 'pinball experience list' for novelty machines (Magic Girl, Hercules) rather than genuine enjoyment indicates shift in what constitutes memorable Expo experiences.

    medium · Host: 'It's as if you played Hercules. You just go, Yeah, it's a box you check off on the little pinball experience list'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Galactic Tank Force gameplay improved significantly from debut year (reduced air-balls and ricocheting death shots), suggesting mid-production design refinements and iteration.

    high · Doug: 'they clearly had fixed uh the tank issues that were having i guess last year when it debuted because it was like air ball on and ricocheting and just death instantly um i didn't experience that so that was good'

    • 5:10
    So Doug, how did you manage to get to go to Expo without me? So like I said, I went up there and said my name is Smith and they said mono smith yeah we've been expecting you i said no no no no no we don't want him we want to do this this guy this guy presently so i basically took your place but really it was just a last second deal all the stars aligned like i had babysitter lined up for the kid had plenty of time to take off for my actual day job so um i just took a eight and a half hour jaunt up to chicago and uh wow it was a great time you drove once you get past yeah once you get past this st louis it's literally nothing but like cornfields and nothingness so that side of the drive is a little rough but um yeah it was it was okay just listened to podcasts and music and it was all right stayed awake name one podcast you listened to that i listened to um so i listened to uh a bunch of wrestling podcasts and nostalgia podcasts about toy collecting and where's mr hard luck yeah they would love that okay hey what's up irad i didn't see you there how are you um all right let's get into it welcome to pinball expo this was your first time at expo and uh so like i said doug's a youtuber i got to live the expo experience through cool toy um vicariously if you go to his channel you get to see a bunch of things and we're going to just we're not going to sit and like watch doug's stuff with doug because i'm sure that would be a boring video for even him but i will jump through i will jump through um some of it and so okay let's go in order magic girl was there again it was um from my understanding it was better than years past, but I don't have any foundation to understand or appreciate if that's true or not. To me, it was an awful gameplay experience.
    7:16
    Whether it was set up incorrectly or not, but most of the time you couldn't even get the ball to plunge up to get the ball started. Then when it did, it would come firing out of a scoop straight down the middle. I watched somebody in front of me drain three times without every single having a you know opportunity even get a flipper on it and then i went behind them and drained the first two balls the exact same fashion and then finally i got a flipper on it on the third so i did get to flip it for a little while but uh i mean it's like i said for anybody that knows the history of this game and you know the long winding road that it took to even exist and why these why this guy even has a brand new in box one i mean it's it's an interesting tale and it's an experience to say, yeah, I got to play that goofy thing. Yeah.
    8:05
    It's as if you played Hercules. You just go, yeah, I got to play that goofy thing. Yeah, it's a box you check off on the little pinball experience list and you say, alright, now that's out of my system and I'll move on to bigger and better things.
    8:20
    So did they really have 45... Yes, or best offer. Yeah, 45 grand. Oh! 45k orbeo so yeah i mean there's there was some uh there was some play on that price but um it was magic girl and then literally a crate right next to it that you know was like caution wrapped and then i had the sign that said 45 000 obo and you know i'm like oh that's cute um okay let's move on yeah if you're interested yeah if you're interested in the history of magic girl it's what's the word it's worth googling yeah yeah just google it yeah because it's a long-winded winding road of deception and fake money and bounce around from company to company and ious and oh just best wishes to anybody that has ever plopped down any money towards that game in any fashion whatsoever uh hey l robinson what's up buddy so they had a working hercules now here's what's funny the the we've got a hercules uh at the pimo museum in um alameda actually it's not out on the floor but um i've played this a bunch uh so so so we'll move on move on right from there yeah i mean it exists like i said it's a niche it's it's it's something you can tell the kids or show the kids like hey look at this egregious size machine that has a pool cue as a pinball let's let's check it out and you know kids for sure like absolutely what the heck is this going like you know what yeah most of them can't they don't even have the wingspan to reach but I mean it has almost zero tilt like I mean as far as you know it's playing it's almost levels and uh it just it doesn't play like a pinball machine you just feel like you're playing an oversized game of plinko with maybe some more sound effects you know who streamed that uh marty might know this um I think laser loss stream Hercules I think that was an interesting camera I gotta have like the top down camera what like 15 foot in the air to get that play filled?
    10:41
    I know. You're not using my coat rack. No, no. Yeah, LOD streamed it a few times. Yeah, Lowe's streamed it a few times, yeah.
    10:52
    Hercules had a Bigfoot-themed redesign? Isaiah, are you serious? Did you see that, Doug? I saw that in text. I was not aware of that being... So, does it exist, or is it one of those things like it was supposed to happen and then never came to fruition i can't imagine anybody wanting to redesign that thing like where do you get one like they're well yeah i mean they had a hard enough time selling the hercules like all right let's throw bigfoot on there because yeah that's what the arcades want bigfoot well one of the things that's great about um expo is that you got to look at that beautiful face that man right there yeah look at that he's talking to himself in the hotel room i know i was like when you when you when your first video went up i was like oh shit this dude is legit he so you came knowing that you had to put out content like had to and want to i mean it's both kind of like a 50 50 like i gotta justify you know the expense and driving out there because i paid you know everything's out of my own pocket or whatever so yeah um for like we said tax write-offs i gotta justify my expense of being there so i can try to get some of that money back but plus you know i like to capture my own experience whether it be for youtube or just personal accord you know say hey this is what i saw and did and this was my experience and you know while it's fresh and there was also a bunch of new games that i know people were interested in and the biggest gripe is always like can't wait to see some crappy cell phone footage of a new game and i was like well try to do that do you want better than i'll give you some crappy dslr footage but i mean you know do something for the people did you have anybody that was able to shoot you playing a game yes uh so uh one guy was when i was playing elton john he's like you want you want to record me or you want me to record you i'm like yeah sure if you don't mind and then you try to grab my dsl i appreciate it but no i don't know you enough to hand you you know like my gear that is quite expensive what do you think he's gonna do he's gonna run out of the no but like i don't know if you've ever given somebody a camera that doesn't know much about a camera, the first thing they do is push the wrong button and then you're like, oh, okay. So I'm like, yeah, sure, here's my phone or whatever.
    13:10
    And as soon as I saw him, he's like panning in, zooming in, and I was like, well, I should have gave you my DSLR. I'm sorry. I misjudged you for a fool.
    13:18
    Now, Game Club Central is telling me, do I recall what happened to George? But that's a different story, Marty. George decided to go to a movie and leave all the gear in his car. Oh, yeah. Never do that. Yeah. I grew up in very shady areas so I know better than that I will lock the door to take the trash out yeah exactly they had a Flintstones there I liked they had the novelty Flintstones they had the ice I think ice makes it or whatever they had that one and of course they had the Williams one as well that I saw out there yeah Marty I know that Paladin had his catalytic converter stolen. That's terrible.
    14:04
    So you did get to play... Any new Sterns you liked? It was just Venom. Venom's the only new Stern. Yeah, I was about to say, I got to play Venom when it got premiered at Comic-Con and since then the code's updated a little bit, which is nice. I still hate the Pro with a passion, but I enjoy the premier. Oh, this is good because we have different opinions. Oh, really? Okay. oh yeah yeah and normally i'm a i'm a pro pro guy like i'm all for it i think they're great value and most of the time but like venom pro to me just feels way too stripped down and like there's a local barcade in my area that has literally venom pro foo fighters pro godzilla pro and james bond pro all four next to each other and if you tell me or you tell a casual person all those machines are the same one same price you know do you think they're all you know accordingly featured most people are going to say no okay wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute flip stream okay Flipstream is a mod. Flipstream, can you make a poll?
    15:19
    Venom Pro versus Premium. If you can make a poll for me, Pro versus Premium, I would like to see. So let's do this, Doug. You give me your reasons why you feel this is all subjective, people. Let's calm down, okay?
    15:40
    Nobody's getting shot. Oh, you can't? You're on mobile? Okay. No one's getting shot. I would have done it anyway. We can just do it in the chat. If you like the pro, say pro. If you like the premium, say premium. Doug, go ahead. You've got 30 seconds. Okay.
    15:56
    So I dislike the pro because I feel it is too stripped down. The mechanism for the choose your own host that's in the premium that physically changes the shot four different ways I think is integral. the doppelganger hokey but not having it on the pro feels like it's just missing way too many things especially with the like connecting ramp that comes with that mechanism um and i think the shot slash fan layout is maybe a little too similar on the pro i i compared it to mandalorian pro brian had his last game um and i just think it's you know not diverse enough with that fan layout, but equally where the main center ramp is and the little horseshoe ramp, I think that's way too similar to Mandalorian to be a justifiable machine Okay What How much more The Pro these days The Pro yeah The premium is Like $9,000 or $10,000 or $9,000, $7,000, $8,000. It's basically $10,000.
    17:02
    I just need to check. $9,000? Yeah. Venom? Yeah. It's over that because they've raised the price like twice in the last year and a half. It's like $9,800 I think or 9699 you know one of those Walmart type of pricing yeah this is 6999 and then premium we're not even going to look at the limited yeah 9699 okay so here's why I think the pro is better than the premium okay uh speed the game keeps you on your toes the changing play field thing to me is a nice gimmick but it reeks of slowing the game down for me and over complicating what at its core is a fast comic book style shooter where the shots just whip around and come back at you now mind you i like the moving mechs but the first time i played a premium the sucker broke and my game was over so i'm going to choose the pro because the rule set i think is i do agree about the doppelganger i think maybe you could just put the doppelganger in the pro and we're good um instead of making one of the three shots at the top but at its core i think venom wants to be a fast shooter considering the fact that it has those fast feeders on the sides and uh all right there we go yeah point i enjoy the game yeah i enjoy the game and you're right it is very fast um those mechs do slow it down a little bit um i just competed in a venom launch party tournament and i feel like the entire time i've played venom i'm always fighting side to side because it feels like it's just constantly aiming for those outlands whereas yeah you get the wide open layout and you feel like okay i got more time to react but it's still always just way too much side to side where i'm just constantly doing this which ups the ante of the anxiety and the pinball play i really i really suck at venom but i i appreciate the pro layout let's look at the chat and just see what uh what people are saying all right so we've got uh isaiah who actually blew up the game when we streamed it together. Venom Pro is really stripped, but it seems like with a fan layout, you don't need many bells and whistles to get the same experience.
    19:28
    Lynn in Denver. I've enjoyed playing Venom Pro, but I haven't had a chance to play Venom Premium yet. The barcade I go to for tournament just changed from Pro to Premium. So I'll be able to see how improved it is. I don't think Free Go Watch, I think Matt Henry agrees with me, I don't think he's going to get the Premium. I think he's going to stick with the Pro. um irod says pro for me personally flipstream of course says but is 2k worth it um well that's the big argument nowadays anyway i mean because when the price is of what you know up 1500 1700 1800 over the last couple years yeah it really makes the justification between the two very hard yeah uh ill robin says if i'm honest i'm pretty neutral about it thanks paul yeah Who has never played either game.
    20:22
    That's like my best friend in Austin. He's being bald. So Ghost Flipper says I'll take either if they just give them away. Yeah. All right. So you got to see some Sterns. What's nice about the Stern booth is they didn't have a carpet this year. That is one thing I was going to bring up. Like I, again, like I said, I didn't get to go. This is my first time. but I heard everybody at the show lamenting about how they didn't have carpet and they were kind of lackluster on their merch. And I guess, yeah, carpet's kind of like a big to-do because you're on concrete everywhere else, and then Stern's like, hey, we got the cushy trade show carpet, but not this year apparently. No carpet this year! No. No carpet in that Insider Connected score you just saw and kind of glimpsed on my video there. It was a teeny tiny TV, and that was the only one.
    21:16
    Oh, this looks huge. Is this a cell phone? No. I think it's like a 32-inch TV that was on the pole next to the Venom face, and that was it. It was like a place that no one would really even pay attention to, and they only just had one.
    21:31
    Yeah, so I heard a lot of people saying, you know, stern of all the people, the big dog kind of phoned it in is what the general impression I got from a lot of the people that have been in years past. All the money is in their new factory, Marty. um Emoto was running a Stern merch that's my buddy Emoto I did see her there you look down though right cause you both see her yeah I'm not being mean guys I'm just being factual hey Pulp Fiction yes fun game talk to me so when this first got you know like announced said hey they're making a pulp fiction game i was like oh super excited you know i'm gonna see this pulp fiction game it's probably gonna have you know your standard little 15 inch lcd we're gonna have movie clips and assets whatever and then we saw the reveal of the actual game and i was like no that that that's not what i was anticipating at all i thought it was going to be a modern game instead it's it's an old game designed by mark ritchie like what what is going on like i just I was so unimpressed because I had a preconceived notion of what it was going to be, and then it didn't meet my expectations. So I just kind of written it off, and I had a buddy who went to Expo last year, put a pre-order down, and here it is a year later, and he still hasn't got his machine.
    23:00
    I was like, all right, well, I'll go check it out. I've enjoyed all Chicago Gaming's games thus far, the remakes and everything, so I'm like, I know they can make a good machine, but let's see this. So I went and played it, and yeah, it is a retro layout, but it still has some interesting shots, and you still get the speech call-outs from all the actors. It has modes, which a retro machine of that kind of design typically wouldn't. So it won me over. It flips like you would expect a modern-day machine. It has an older layout, so I liken it to the Bond 60th or whatever, the Keith Elwin special edition that he designed. Kind of the same principle. You know, you got an old retro layout, but still modern sensibilities. So I completely changed my tune once I played it. It's a great game. Theme integration, fantastic.
    23:49
    It's just, you know, when are you ever going to get your machine from Chicago Game Academy? That's the problem. They seem to not be able to keep up with demand.
    23:58
    Looks like they're saying in chat that going into production in two weeks. A year later, okay. Yeah. Okay, so this is a combination of Chicago Gaming Company and those guys at Raw Thrills, believe it or not. Yeah, so people that we associate with like Big Buck Hunter and you'd go to the mall and see the Jurassic Park arcade and the ginormous Halo arcade and all those type of things. Yeah, that's an odd combo, but I mean, clearly something works with that relationship. So maybe we'll see some future surprises. uh if this is a one and done i'd be fine with that i mean when i got to play pulp fiction last year with al anonymous and game club central we were all playing we got this the only game that we all got in line again to play um number one because it kind of brutally murdered us on the first go yeah but i was incredibly impressed at what they did with the street level play field mostly street right i mean you have a kicker that goes but it's not a you know when you don't have a ramp you're talking street low um very intuitive uh locks hey fliptronic how you doing buddy um i agree man it was uh did you see the topper in action no and i was surprised because i'd seen videos and pictures of it from last year's you know debut and everything not a topper to be seen which there was the argument of yeah I don't know why but there was no topper on the machines well okay because I wanted to see you know first hand the little shimmy shake and the twisting and everything you know what okay I sure hope that topper isn't $2,000 but it's super fun the only way you can get it is to buy the was it the bad MF version The Bad Mother Flipper? The Bad Mother Flipper edition, yeah.
    26:02
    Six Machines, they're not going to sell the topper, except only with the LE. And the LEs are sold out out here. Yeah.
    26:09
    It's fun. It's fun, Doug. It's not like a game changer. It's not like an integrated topper like on Cactus Canyon's remake. No, but... It's fun. With theme integration, I mean, it drives it home. I mean, little things like that. They actually turn to you. I get it. Yeah. The characters turn to you and they go, and they flash when they talk. Yeah. Speech call out comes out. It's in sync. It's great, you know. It's great. All right.
    26:35
    Yeah. If you guys in the chat have any opinions about any of these games we're talking about. Oh, look at that. There's, wait, was that Jules? That was Jules. If you guys have any opinions about what we're talking about, just throw it in the chat.
    26:46
    Doug and I. Rotating briefcase in the background. I love that. Yeah. And the fact that. It opens up just enough. I know. Yes. when the briefcase turns to face you again it's closed so yeah some some jerk is gonna take the mod and just show it on this this is what's in the briefcase it's gonna ruin everything it's gonna ruin everything um fabulous game played really well um pulp fiction is great yeah so fliptronic is here is another one who who's uh definitely owned a lot of games and is a hardcore player.
    27:19
    Yeah, I really enjoyed this game. Hey, Captain 12, how are you? We're here with, or I'm here. I'm here with Doug from Cool Toy.
    27:31
    I was using the royal we again, Doug. I don't like that. That's fine. I don't remember asking you a goddamn thing.
    27:41
    Perfectly placed. queen oh boy let's talk about queen and alien talk to me yeah so i got more nice things to say about alien than i do queen like queen i mean i love the band so the you know theme of the music integration and having all the songs and stuff that's great um playfield layout not my not my favorite i know i agree i played multiple multiple games like machines and kept having the same issue where i was getting the ball to hang out there's a line of drop targets that are like piano keys on the left hand side i think and i would hit them and then the ball would get stuck on top of it and then it would just hang up and there was no like ball search so it would have freed out so i'm like shaking the machine tilt i'm like all right whatever it's not like i had to put quarters in it but I'm like alright let's start this game again let's do it again and like a full plunge seemed to just like bank off a ramp every single time like the side of a ramp and like had no real clear direction of where it was ever supposed to go and I'm like I don't know what the objective for a skill shot would even be and I don't know like it just feels like the band deserved better like it you know they clearly tried to do them justice like i mean there's a guitar upper play field like they tried to really tie in you know musical elements to it but it just drops you're talking about yes yes though so i kept i would hit the ball and it would like land on top of that target and i would just sit there for eternity until i either beat the machine or tilted yeah so i played this last year too and marty makes a good point the flippers to we will rock you and there's one other mode that I think if you flip flip that can only carry you but so far I did not like that's great coding code can't fix shots and layout and that's why I had issues if you can give me an example can you give me an example of a code that fixes the curve layout Ghostbusters! Ghostbusters! Ghostbusters is not a bad layout. It's just got the flipper issue with having a mile-long gap in between. I know, the flippers are like this. Yeah. They already look like somebody installed them wrong, because they look droopy. And there's a football field in between them.
    30:21
    I gotta agree. I gotta agree, Doug. And there's like Scolari Brothers on Queen that drove me nuts. They would pop up and just yeah they're bad like unless your canyon has those canyon yeah but there's good yeah it's good how it's integrated um it's coded exceptionally well where you know they pop up and draw and then they go back down they don't interrupt you those like i couldn't tell you why or how they kept popping up they were just getting them away all the time and it wasn't like oh you hit the target here's a bunch of points it was like hey you hit this target that just annoyed the shit out of you Here's 50 points. There it is. What are they, groupies? Are they the groupies?
    30:59
    The groupies popped up! Yeah. And the flipper, I know these games get played a lot or whatever, but I got to play them a little before the show doors would even open. So the flippers were still fresh, and I couldn't make it up that center ramp half the time. It would just go up and trickle down, go up and trickle down. I'm like, I can't imagine playing this for an hour and a half and getting some flipper fade and being able to hit that if I can't hit it when it's fresh.
    31:24
    so yeah i wanted to like this i wanted to like it but i just i just could yeah i like the band like the music like listening to the game being played but just not for me not for me i like listening yeah there's a there's a quote there's an endorsement i like listening to the game being played. Doug from Cool Pants.
    31:49
    Yeah. I'm sure they're going to put that on the flyer. For sure. Captain Toil says, I never had fun playing Queen. It makes me sad. The plunge to drop targets drives me bonkers.
    32:02
    Amiga Kami. I think Pulp Fiction looks great. I really like how it's a bit retro, but it's not something that I felt I could afford. Yeah, Pulp Fiction was about $8,000, I think. That was another thing that kind of surprised me when that got announced was you see the retro layout and everything and then you see the price tag and you're like you don't really technically have movie clips in this I'm like yeah you got actors likenesses and speech but like I don't know how that works yeah where'd all the licensing money go I don't know how that works Queen layout just seems generic not inspired gotta gotta agree Terry just says put bigger flippers um ASAP Salam Salamas help me Doug Salamas nod and smile yes Salamas 87 um 8k licensing money went to the licensing money that's Grammy thank you Grimmy I forget to read who is the poster before I read their chat message Grimmy gets me all the time but we still have to get to Doug's best of show which is coming out I mean it is but I am biased about that so I mean I have a personal connection to to that theme But yeah this is the first time I got to play Alien What did you think of Alien? It's nice. It's good. I like the theme. They got the pop bumpers and the hatching eggs.
    33:50
    It feels a little too stop and go, maybe, for my liking, as far as just the gameplay experience. for me it felt like i would make a shot then it would hold the ball and here's a clip and let go and light the arrows hit two arrows hold the ball and i was like hey can we maybe keep it going is this the uh get away from her you bitch edition wait that's not true uh yes sorry no uh the ripley version is uh i played that there we go the ripley sorry the ripley version yeah which i i forget the details of that like they just recently i think signed that deal where they got the likeness of sigourney weaver um and like on the back glass or the advertisement or whatever her like face is still covered so i was like is that like pending oh really yes approval yeah like i was like i don't know what what that's about um i'm saving my money for waiting for government table man was harassing me while i was playing Aliens so I couldn't get the full experience. No, Aliens is fun. Aliens, less stressful for a man who compared to Future Pinball. Future Pinball? Yeah.
    35:00
    Flipdance says Big Lebowski. Okay, so yeah, Big Lebowski was there. I think Big Lebowski is a great game. Unfortunately, we can't keep ours working a lot. I've heard that as far as durability issues. I think it's a great game. I think it's overpriced.
    35:19
    Well, this is This is the granddaddy of overpriced games. Yeah, I mean... There was Beatles and this were like $12,000? Yeah, I think it's $15,000 now these days or whatever. But, I mean, it's got some interesting mechs and stuff, but I don't see $15,000. Again, that goes back to the licensing, because this one does have movie clips and assets and actors' likenesses or whatever. But supposedly the rumor is that this company also is going to be in control of a Back to the Future pinball. And I'm like, I can't afford that then. Dutch pinball? supposedly that was the the talk of the expo is supposedly dutch has a you know working relationship with universal and that okay it ain't going to be stern it's going to be dutch that does the back to the future okay that's good as long as news sorry that's good as long as they build it a little better well that's build a little better but i'm like you can't keep up with demand currently for your big lebowski how are you going to keep up with demand for Back to the Future trilogy, which is immensely more popular as far as popular culture.
    36:31
    Yeah, Capri says you'll have to wait eight years to get it. Don't talk to me about this game. Please move on. Please move on from this game. Wait, wait. Okay, wait, Doug. Wait, I have never spoken to you about Galactic... Galactic Tank Force?
    36:49
    um go ahead what's not to like i mean it has 3d printed toys on it it's got 3d printed and i love how you wait don't you pick a shot you just take the meanest shot too oh that's the thing like it wouldn't be a shot if it wasn't for the price tag like there's certain levels of yeah i shouldn't be able to see the 3d print lines like me and you can print that i know i don't i don't expect to see something that joe schmoe can print in their garage on a commercial product like i expect a higher level of you know professionalism as far as toys and like everyone makes fun of stern from you know not having the best sculpts for their you know toys but like at least they're sculpted you know they're not 3d printed like that to me looks like somebody bought a mod and put it in their game which to each throne that's fine like if you bought a mod that was 3d printed and put it in your game that's fine but you weren't charged ten thousand dollars for a game that came with 3d printed mods there should be cooler toys i like that morning um yeah a clearly 3d printed thing shouldn't end up in your production unit that should be injection molded correct i mean that that's what you use to do your production or not production but your prototype your testing and everything you're like okay this is all right now go mold it go sculpt it do whatever but yeah i mean i enjoyed playing the game they clearly had fixed uh the tank issues that were having i guess last year when i got debuted because it was like air ball on and ricocheting and just death instantly um i didn't experience that so that was good i enjoyed the gameplay the theme of course being a hokey crazy attack from Mars meets 90's Bally Williams type stuff I'm fine with that I got two problems with this game number one the tank it kills you because it's right in the middle number two there's like four shots on the table so and that's around the tank and that's the thing it had two ramps and a diverter that you could control with the third button or whatever. But one of those ramps, I struggled to get it up all the time. It was just like halfway, halfway down. I attribute that to just being expo played for 14 hours a day. But I enjoyed their other machines more if I had to pick any of the American Pinball ones.
    39:22
    Yeah, my top machine from them is Hot Wheels, of course. Yeah. That game is great. I enjoy Houdini a lot. It's very tight shots, though. That was my biggest criticism. I liked Houdini. Yeah, I liked the mech where it goes in the milk can and chucks the ball in the back of the magic trunk. I think that's super cool. I like the theme, you know. Houdini, that's a neat theme. It's a cheaper IP for sure, but it's still recognizable. I think that's their bread and butter.
    39:52
    You know, Doug, Ill Robinson brings up a good question. is the dire is desire for hand sculpted toys about authenticity i'm i'm gonna say no i think it's more about cost correct and yeah because like i don't need that to look like an actual tank i mean it looks like you know some sort of space thing or whatever they can take creative liberties with it but like yeah i just going back to the professionalism and the polish like uh that's were my desire for it. Let me see.
    40:27
    What's the... How much is a Galactic Tank for us? Don't they have their two models? Like an 8,000 and a 10,000 model?
    40:38
    Oh, jeez. I don't know how to work websites. Somebody tell me how much this damn machine costs. Yeah. I mean, there's the Hokie Tank version, but I think that was maybe a limited quantity.
    40:56
    What? They won't tell me. I hate sites that do this. They're not going to tell me. No, you've got to go to a distributor.
    41:12
    Isaiah, Hot Wheels is a good game. I can't make you a fan of American, but Hot Wheels is a good game. uh okay and i said in my video i think american pinball is like this company that's like on the precipice of being successful but they're just close they can't break through like they're doing the same you do the same thing perfectly time you and doug were like you almost made it you almost made it um okay i got the price deluxe is 9 295 hot wheels break so fast well okay i mean it yeah i mean if yours broke that's that sucks ours hasn't broken um uh not for a while le tank is 10 995 so that's the issue uh ill robinson is um these guys spend a lot on these machines so when you look inside and you see a clearly 3d printed part you don't i mean you don't it doesn't it's not like 3d printing is bad yeah i don't i don't mean to like thumb my nose at 3d printing it's just like for that price point it shouldn't be a thing like it's just that's a whole like i expect 3d printed products on like the home version of a Stern game or something like that. That'd be more acceptable because it's a completely different price demographic.
    42:43
    Yeah. I mean, yeah. So anyway, we're going to move on from that. One I've seen of Hot Wheels on Twitch, it looks really good. I'd love one, but again, it's out of my price range. No, actually, Hot Wheels is well, look, look, look. I can't tell you what your price range is, right? So I'm not going to disagree with you. But they're not going to show me the friggin' price. Let's look at, let's go Let's do the smart thing. Pin side. It's always been my understanding that American was like slightly priced below Stern. So like a couple hundred bucks below Stern's pro and premium pricing. So estimated value of a Hot Wheels is relatively inexpensive.
    43:24
    And this is 57 to 66. Hot Wheels is neat, but I don't know. It's just okay with this layout. Isaiah, we have to chat. i reject your reality yeah i know i reject your reality and substitute my own isaiah okay um we're gonna skip vendors let's get let's get uh let's get to the meat right now um i would love to talk to you about at games but but i am not we're going to talk a little bit about let's talk to me about Labyrinth did you have a specific video on Labyrinth or did I miss Labyrinth in your video? yeah I made a dedicated video I briefly mentioned it in my wrap up just because I didn't want to you know repeat myself oh alright look at that okay go ahead Doug tell us about Labyrinth so yeah I kind of like it a lot clearly as you can see from the goofy self deprecating clips. I have a personal connection to the movie. I named my kid after David Bowie. It's one of my favorite films. I'm a huge Muppet fan. It checks all my boxes of nostalgia and desire.
    44:53
    It's got officially licensed David Bowie music from the film. It's got movie clips. The thing it doesn't have is Jennifer Connelly's lightness. They've given a pr spin answer as to why that is but honestly i just think it comes down to cost which is an understandable thing yeah um but i mean it's a company that literally came out of nowhere um said hey not only did we make a game that you know is a niche 80s um dream for some people we also already made it like we're not taking money from people and gonna promise you a game one year two years three years down the road it's like no we literally incurred all the costs our own uh made some machines proved that we could do it we'll sell you some more but um it's got some cool things that you know no one else has really done in a while like the secondary lcd there so doug can people in chat just please tell me i'm not crazy i've seen that back the the backboard animation is that that was like a third party thing that was being sold for games right thank So this particular screen? This particular screen. I remember seeing like a year ago or years ago, they were like, hey, you can upgrade your game with a moving back. So it was my understanding after talking to CEO or whatever you want to call him, David Van Ness. He had bought these screens from Deep Root Liquidation. Right, okay. For pennies on the dollar. and originally they had the idea that they were going to have mechs back there that had the little guys that go up and down that we saw kind of in that clip. And they realized that was like space consuming, expensive or whatever. And somebody said, why don't you just put the LCD back there that you got those, that you bought in bulk or whatever. And he's like, that can work. See, that's the thing.
    46:52
    People in chat are saying, yeah, I've seen it as a mod. It was a mod. Yeah. All right. I interrupted you. Go ahead. Let's continue. fine but no like um they did a really good job on this game like it felt solid you know the biggest question marks when you hear hey a new company comes out of nowhere and makes a game or whatever you're like okay do they know how to make a game like it's one thing to you know dress up a pig or whatever but is it fun to shoot does it tie in with the theme does it have decent rules all those type of things and like i played it several several times over the weekend and i mean it's got great people behind it like people that know pinball um to me it felt like a solid well-built machine it was the hit of the show thing was lined up for people 24 7 the entire show was open i was getting played 14 15 hours straight uh i talked to him on day two i was like so what what's the status like you know what's broke what's falling off your machines he said we had one one screw fall off under one of the things he's like we got under there and put it back on and put some loctite on it and he's like look looking at it he's like we realized it was a mistake that somebody did you know at the manufacturing process he's like so that gives us good feedback to go back and make sure we don't make that mistake again he's like but other than that he's like we haven't had any issues and i i can attest to that because i did never see them cracking it open and i'm sorry guys you know we got to do this to it or whatever those things ran like champs the entire week Amiga Kami, did you say that you have one on order? And while Amiga Kami answers that, does that work as well?
    48:29
    She's got one on pre-order. I am super jelly. Meatball saucy. I am ready to pre-order. I just need to sell a game first. So I could put it on a credit card right now, but Mama raised a smarter kid than that. I don't buy things that I can't immediately pay off or afford right then and there, and that's just the way I operate my life. So I will put it on pre-order the moment I have the funds secured and not a moment prior just because it feels a little irresponsible to me. But I mean, if anybody's familiar with this movie or whatever, theme integration, little things like that, like the heads popping out of the apron in the back corner, it's so in tune with the theme and the scenes in the movie. And then like... Wait, okay. I like how they... All right, all right. Doug, Doug, Doug. Okay, come on. you're talking to manu right now okay yeah all right just you and me just you and me what is it the theme or is i think it's the theme is the theme and the game is good what pushed what pushed you probably 60 40 so like theme starts the theme is always like my main focus personally that's it's typically what i gravitate first and foremost to that's just the nature of you know what i like about pinball but i actually enjoy playing this game yeah it's The shooter had lots of interesting mix. A lot of the shots changed path, which ties in with the theme, which is really good, but it also allows for a more versatile game. You don't feel like you're just doing the same repetition, hit this over and over again, because there's diverters, there's things that would change the ball path.
    50:07
    I think the price is really good for the value. What is the price? $10.60. $10.60, okay. so for 10 I feel like you getting like a stern le for cheaper because you got kenwood kenwood speakers in the back box you got rgb lights that are actually coded to integrate with the game itself you got powder coating you got an upgraded eight inch sub i think it's eight inch but yeah upgraded subwoofer you got the secondary lcd back there as well as your standard one um i said you got licensed david bowie music you got you got the shooter rod that's sugar on so like it looks exactly like it should from the movie but it's the most obnoxious thing ever like i'm a huge fan of the movie but i don't think i could have that hot dog sticking off because it it literally sticks out like i'm probably not even exaggerating eight nine inches yeah i mean i would smack smack my hip on that for sure my kid i guarantee he's gonna forehead himself yeah like the ninja turtle like sword plunger i think is cool but it sticks out too far for me like yeah they get that they're a little silly um um i just want to hit up on um amiga cami one more time amiga cami was it the theme because clearly you haven't played it yet but i'm just wondering if it's the theme that sold you and doug you mentioned that bowen was like bowen karens the amazing mr but the pin the pin professor himself was there um first of all i gotta say bowen helped with the rules and you know you're solid but uh he's definitely a guy you want feedback from but like i got to speak with him and he was there just kind of in the wing ready to talk to or explain anybody all you have to say hey how do i play this game and he would do his you know pen professor put his hat on and then just start walking you through it and he can immediately obviously tell who's a skilled player and who's not so he could you know change and dictate different um tips and tricks and things that they should go for but i mean he's johnny on the spot all day every day helping out like all hands on deck like definitely there you go you like my game all right yeah and that topper look at that topper man like i don't know this is how many people are familiar with the movie but like it's a one-to-one scale ratio the muppets like they said on site like hey we barely have anything coded in this right now because you know we're still doing things but it's like we we've got plenty of plans for more call outs because they talk trash to you like the two on the outside does their mouth move no moving mouth like it just turns and the eyes light up whatever but like okay they blink and as far as the the flashing of the leds and they talk smack as far as you drain too quick or whatever um they said they got a lot more call outs and stuff but like it's 980 bucks for that topper which again it's a lot of money but you look at something like that and then you look at something like i don't know a stern jurassic park topper that's like 800 that's acrylic and led strips yeah yeah well so I mean I love Stern obviously I've got multiple Stern machines but like if you try to compare like value and that type of thing it just looks like night and day who would have thought a company with their first game that makes a game like this goes so all in on something that they would make something like that. Okay, Ill Robinson, what do you think about that topper? Ill Robinson is a very talented person who can tell good stuff.
    54:12
    We don't have a lot of time, so I want to jump to the other star of the show. So, Labyrinth is a win for you. That was win. That was show win. I'm so happy for you.
    54:24
    Wait, did you say you put a deposit or not yet? not yet but i will be like it's it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when very cool all right what what games do you currently have so currently i have a simpsons pinball party i have stranger things pro i have teenage mutant turtles premium i have mandalorian pro and i technically still own south park i've sold it to a friend but he's paying me in payments and i don't really technically have to worry about him like screwing me over or things like that but he's taking possession of it and I'm just taking monthly payments. I think I own like 40% of South Park.
    55:02
    So what's going to go? What leaves? I mean, I have some arcade cabinets as well so I may sell two of those and then one of my pinball machines or I would have to technically sell two because this is an expensive machine.
    55:23
    Another game down the drain. You got that right. Simpsons is not leaving. I can tell you that. Right now, that is my current favorite. Good. I enjoy it. It's just I don't see it going ever.
    55:38
    Okay. All right. Last but not least, and there was a lot at the show I'm skipping over, but we all want to talk about Elton John a little bit. Now, why isn't this? Why isn't Elton freaking John? The name of this game should be Elton fucking John, really, I think. But why is this not your game of show? Oh, well, I mean... Look at that! Come on! I mean, I'm not going to argue that it doesn't have so many amazing things going for it. Captain Jack Pop Bumpers! Yeah. I actually enjoy Elton John's music a lot, but like... I love your video. It was great. Yeah, it's just... I've always been anti-JJP just because of their flipper experience, and thankfully that has changed. Well, you know what, my friend? Steve Ritchie probably took one shot on the prototype. Well, he had to. And that was my first thought, too, because when I heard he was going over there, I'm like, well, they've got to do something about the flippers because Mr. King of Flow and fast gameplay. How do you do that on these flippers that you feel like you're high ally throwing the ball at the play field? He took one flip on those frigging Toy Story pirates mush flippers and was like, I will walk back across the street and go join Stern again if you guys don't get these flippers out of here. Yeah, so I mean, I'm excited for Jersey Jack pinball future if they continue down that trend of having these flippers have enough juice to them. But yeah, I mean, this is an obscene light show for sure. I overheard them talking about how they put so many LEDs in this thing that they had essentially ran to max capacity of their power supply, which does not shock me at all. I think they're up to like 1300 LEDs that are individually addressable or something like that. Yeah. No, it wasn't the lights. It was the fact that Steve Ritchie made them divert all power to the flipper. That is also very likely. All power. Fuck these LEDs.
    57:52
    I want power flippers. Full power. But I mean, Elton John fans, they'll surely be happy. I don't know how many of them are out there that are going to spend $15,000 on this machine they got Elton John call outs which multiball is this that literally gives you the power of levitation oh yeah one of the highlights yeah one of the highlights of the show is seeing Mr. Jersey Jack himself walk out of the bathroom and is like wish.com Elton John's sparkly costume had the star light up glasses oh yeah there's some sweet pictures online of him and I've never met the man he's also very emoticized so seeing this older gentleman that is 5 foot 2 coming out with a sparkly Elton John outfit that also had LED soles on his shoes that would you know light up was one of the most funny things ever and I felt bad because like knee-jerk reaction i just gasped and start laughing hysterically like almost in his face and i felt rude because it's not one of those things like i'm not trying to insult you it's just i was not you know ready for a older five foot two gentleman to walk out of the bathroom dressed as elton john with light up glasses and shoes you know just my my mental capacity wasn't framed for that type of exposure apparently we haven't hung out on the weekends man I'm just saying you know I got the light ups you know what I'm saying alright but you got to play it I got to play it they only had three machines total so they had two of their platinum and one collectors so the lines on this bad boy were long just because of you know sheer lack of machines it is by far my favorite Jersey Jack machine that I've got to play just for the overall experience I like the shots to me like I said it felt like roller games if anyone's ever played roller games it felt very similar to roller games and like Led Zeppelin premium don't flip yeah artwork's cool I mean if you like Chris Franchi's artwork if you don't I think he only actually technically did one of the machines but they're very similar as far as their art you'd be hard pressed to honestly tell the difference like I said it's the piano toy, I think that is amazing. You talk about theme integration, like I said, it has the DMD that goes across the side of the piano and does a little shoot here and gives you updates. I think that's neat. Oh, it does? It says... Yeah.
    60:36
    It'll scroll across and shoot left ramp or whatever, and then has the little animatronic Elton that sits there and plays and turns his head, which that's hilarious. yeah there it is so stuff like that and then sculpted toys no 3d printed toys better not be for 15 grand for crying out loud i know so paul this is an example of games we don't want 3d toys yeah yeah but like jersey jack's always kind of astounded me because they've clearly like said hey we're not gonna mess with operators we're just going straight for the home collector because like you can't tell me operators are buying these twelve fifteen thousand dollar jersey jack machines and like getting their money well not unless you're like next level yeah but you'd have to be a ginormous like you know big player like interium or whatever you know one of those kind of places that has tons and tons of foot traffic that's in a large metropolis area that has you know copious amounts of people coming through like i mean just think about how many quarters and dollar bills it would take to just break even we're getting one at freehold watch you're not getting the 15 grand one are you so there's the ce and then there's the yeah the ce is like the the one that has the two screen toppers 15 grand not they're not getting the ce the play fields are the same though right Yeah, play field is the same. It's just like trim, like, you know, the topper. And I think maybe the lights on the side are different.
    62:18
    Oh, next level is also a distributor. So they get a cost advantage. Okay. Oh, that helps. It does help. All right. So your ranking, would I say your ranking is Labyrinth, Elton John?
    62:35
    Well, wait a minute. What's your ranking? Labyrinth and then give me the three top games you saw there.
    62:40
    So new games or just in general? New games. Yeah, so I would say Labyrinth, Elton John and then, yeah, probably Pulp Fiction.
    62:51
    Rare Pinball, thank you for the follow. Which is hard because they're obviously so different from one another. Like each one of those are night and day differences.
    63:02
    How they approach pinball and their features and all that stuff. But as far as enjoyment and nostalgia, even if price were even more in line with each other, I would still enjoy shooting Labyrinth more.
    63:16
    Yeah, I definitely want to shoot Labyrinth a little bit. Let me see. This is Bowen just showing off. Bowen came out of retirement to show off this game. I knew there was something up. where is the first one so I'm just checking real quick we do have to mosey on because we're over time but I knew talking to Doug was going to be a blast and thank you so much for letting me live vicariously through you Hercules and everything else yeah Hercules and everything else yeah I saw that one once again guys you got to keep up with Doug does a lot. Doug doesn't just do pinball. I do too much. I do everything you're not supposed to do on YouTube. You're supposed to just talk about one subject and beat that dead horse. And I'm all like, hey, let's talk about pinball. Hey, let's talk about toys. Hey, let's talk about arcade games. Hey, let's talk about something you don't care to talk about.
    64:23
    This was one of my favorite. Ill Robinson will appreciate this one. The fact that you did a Death Star this was so good you know I see my wife's face she like pulls up and I'm in the garage working on this she's like what are you doing I'm like I could tell you but I'd rather just show you so I'm like come back in a couple hours when I'm done this is great and it's when you see how it's done Doug will show you so I'm gonna you guys are gonna have to go watch the video to see how he did it, but it's pretty baller.
    65:04
    Well, thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, I'll subscribe to Cool Toy. That's my Boy Scout engineering. That's what that is.
    65:13
    Doug, thanks a lot, man. Hey, thank you. Always a pleasure, man. Hopefully we can meet up and hang out next time for sure. You got to go to TPF. I'm hoping. Like I said. Start. now.
    65:29
    I mean, I can ask off. It's just a matter of like, I gotta find... The problem is, TPF is like, I'm obligated to visit family. So I have to schedule accordingly because I've got family in Texas that are in the area so it's not like they see me on Facebook, like, hey, you're literally 30 minutes away from us and you didn't visit us type of thing. So I gotta make sure I've got a lot of time that I can spend with family and then I can focus, because I don't want to have to do both. We're like, hey, I'm going to hang out with the family until 3 and then go over to tpf for a couple of like that's not fun like i want to i want to focus i want to be able to yeah play pinball for 16 hours and you know exactly not do anything else well hopefully we'll get to meet up finally and uh and uh looking forward to it have a drink i'll buy you a drink nice and then i'll tell you all the games that you love that i hate sweet i i can't wait for you to crush my hopes and dreams it's like you know that labyrinth game you were so I ain't mighty on it. I played it. God, that thing was a turd. I hope you get your money back, CoolToy. Or should I call you Foolboy?
    66:37
    And with that, we will leave it. Thank you so much, guys. Make sure... Awesome! Ill Robinson subscribed. Rye Shots has subscribed. Everybody go subscribe to CoolToy. Thank you. I appreciate it. We're going to go find somebody to rate. And I will see you guys Thursday at Free Go Watch. When I stream something, maybe we'll do Godzilla because I don't remember asking you a goddamn thing.
    67:01
    Thanks, Jules. Good night.