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Episode 255: Loserkid Pinball Podcast

Pinball Profile·podcast_episode·24m 17s·analyzed·Apr 17, 2020
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TL;DR

Loser Kid Podcast hosts discuss rapid growth, community impact, and optimistic industry outlook.

Summary

Jeff Teolis interviews Josh Roop and Scott Larson of the Loser Kid Pinball Podcast, a show launched in January 2019 that has grown significantly through positive community engagement and high-profile guest interviews including Keith Elwin. The hosts discuss their origin story, charitable work, merchandise success, and enthusiasm for emerging manufacturers like DeepRoot, while maintaining an optimistic perspective on pinball's growth despite pandemic-related event cancellations.

Key Claims

  • Loser Kid Podcast launched in January 2019 and has been running successfully for over a year

    high confidence · Jeff Teolis introduction and direct statement by hosts

  • Keith Elwin said 'Laundry Day' would be the next game/his third title for Stern, causing it to trend on Twitter

    high confidence · Josh describes Keith opening up on their show about Laundry Day theme

  • Scott works at a hospital and participates in annual charity surgical missions to Guatemala (cleft lip/palate repairs, Microtia surgeries)

    high confidence · Scott's detailed description of Guatemala charitable work

  • Josh runs a heating/air conditioning company that donated services for a wheelchair-accessible room renovation

    high confidence · Josh's description of company charitable work

  • DeepRoot has developers and talent but hasn't put anything physically out for public trial besides a test run of Raza

    high confidence · Josh's statement about DeepRoot's current status

  • Salt Lake Area Pinballers (SLAP) grew from 10 participants two years ago to 40 at their last event, with 150 participants at Salt Lake Gaming Con

    high confidence · Josh's description of SLAP league growth

  • Loser Kid merchandise is one of the most visible branded products in the pinball community

    medium confidence · Jeff's commentary on merchandise visibility ('number one in that')

  • Texas Pinball Festival 2020 was canceled due to COVID-19 concerns

    high confidence · Josh and Jeff's discussion of TPF cancellation

Notable Quotes

  • “We just came out of the gates running, and we weren't too worried about the product. And so we just wanted to do something fun.”

    Josh Roop @ ~7:00 — Explains Loser Kid's success philosophy: prioritizing authentic fun over production perfection

  • “He is a fantastic man. He's very charitable, and he does a lot behind the scenes...Scott does so much behind the scenes. It's unbelievable.”

    Josh Roop (about Scott) @ ~37:00 — Reveals power dynamics in the co-host relationship; Josh publicly defers to Scott's contributions

  • “It just makes it more fun in life when you focus on the positive, I feel.”

    Scott Larson @ ~43:00 — Core philosophy statement defining Loser Kid's positive approach to pinball coverage

  • “We're very positive guys, and I'm just excited for more pinball always, because that means that there's room for it to grow here, and we always want growth in pinball.”

    Josh Roop @ ~48:00 — Articulates optimistic stance on new manufacturers and industry expansion

  • “For him to bring the passion and to really want to elevate and change the game. The last time we saw this was with Jersey Jack trying to change the game with Wizard of Oz.”

    Scott Larson (about DeepRoot/Robert Mueller) @ ~45:00 — Positions DeepRoot's potential impact in historical context of game-changing manufacturers

  • “I didn't want to make anything that people weren't going to wear...If you get the $5 throwaway T-shirt, you're not going to wear it again.”

    Scott Larson @ ~51:00 — Explains merchandise quality philosophy driving commercial success

  • “He's done things that no one else has done. He's put up his own money. He took J-Pop from the scrap heap and actually paid J-Pop's debts.”

    Scott Larson (about Robert Mueller/DeepRoot) @ ~43:30 — Acknowledges Mueller's financial commitment and risk-taking despite past hype cycles

Entities

Loser Kid Pinball PodcastmediaJosh RooppersonScott LarsonpersonJeff TeolispersonKeith ElwinpersonRobert Muellerperson

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Pandemic impact on arcade operators and venues creating economic strain; Jeff posts resource thread on Tilt Forums

    medium · Jeff: 'I actually made a post on Tilt Forums. There's a long list of places, barcades, if you will, operators that are going to be probably looking for a little bit of help'

  • ?

    event_signal: Salt Lake Area Pinballers (SLAP) league grew from ~10 to 40 members in two years, with 150+ at annual Gaming Con; demonstrates robust grassroots pinball community building

    high · Josh's detailed account: 'the last one I went to, we had our record turnout of 40 people...as of two years ago, we had maybe 10'

  • ?

    community_signal: Positive podcast format enabling high-profile industry access; Keith Elwin and other designers actively participate in independent media

    high · Josh: 'I wasn't expecting Keith of all people to say yes...I'm humbled every day by it'

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    market_signal: DeepRoot positioned as next industry disruptor analogous to Jersey Jack's Wizard of Oz era; enthusiasm tempered by acknowledgment of past manufacturing hype cycles

    medium · Scott: 'The last time we saw this was with Jersey Jack trying to change the game with Wizard of Oz...I'm looking for another infusion like that'

  • ?

    event_signal: Texas Pinball Festival 2020 canceled; significant blow to spring event calendar and new machine reveals

    high · Josh: 'We're certainly all disappointed that Texas Pinball Festival, rightly so, had to be canceled for this year'

Transcript

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0:00
Hey there, hope everyone's doing okay. It's time for another Pinball Profile. I'm your host, Jeff Teels. You can find our group on Facebook. We're also on Twitter and Instagram at Pinball Profile. But where you really need to go to is pinballprofile.com. That's where you get all your feeds because whatever you've been using ends the end of this month. Go to pinballprofile.com. You can also email us, pinballprofile at gmail.com. Time to officially bring on a couple of guys who've been doing great things in podcasting for a little over a year now. You know them. You love them. So do I. Scott and Josh from Loser Kid Podcast. Hey, guys. How are you? Good. How are you doing, Jeff? Hey, Jeff. Thank you for having me on your show. We're going to talk about that. It's been on since January of 2019. So you've had that over the year. Once you get past the year hump, I call it, then you kind of get into a groove. But you kind of got in a groove pretty early, wouldn't you say? You know, we just came out of the gates running, and we weren't too worried about the product. And so we just wanted to do something fun, and we reached out and wanted to see if people wanted to join us. And the response was positive, so we've just had fun with it. And I think it's starting to show through our podcasts, and people just want to be a part of that. Yeah, it was really nice when Josh started it. He asked me if I was interested in jumping in, and I really had no experience in podcasting. And so I just figured this would be a fun opportunity. Josh and I, we knew each other before, but we've grown to know each other a lot more and we see each other as regularly as possible, even though he lives about three hours away. But it's been a lot of fun having all the people on. It's funny. I think there are a lot of similarities to not just myself, but other podcasters. I knew nothing really about podcasts. Obviously, I've been a broadcaster for many years, but podcasting is a different animal. And, you know, I certainly don't have a co-host. I always like to think every guest I have on, in this case, you two, you are my co-hosts. And these are people that I don't really know extremely well. We have that common bond of pinball. But like you said, you two didn't know each other, but you've really grown to become great friends and see each other all the time. It's like that for me, too, with people like yourselves in pinball. And I think that's one of the great things about the format of the pinball podcast. And you've obviously found that as well. For sure. Well, and the funny part is, I don't know if I've told you how Scott and I, like we met through pinball, through our online group on Facebook, the Salt Lake Area Pinballers Slap. And we clicked. We had a lot of different backgrounds besides pinball that matched up. And it was funny because like Scott's like, oh, just come stay the night. I know you live out in Vernal. If you're ever in town, you can stay at my house. I was like, OK, like you have no clue who I am. You've met me via Facebook. But just because we have these different backgrounds that match up, you're like, dude, just come stay the night. And I did. Of course, alarms went off immediately. You know it. Call 911. We do have a deadbolt going down to the basement that locks from my side.
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    market_signal: Loser Kid merchandise success indicates strong brand monetization opportunity in pinball media; quality-focused approach driving repeat purchasing

    high · Scott's merchandise philosophy: focus on high-quality items with lasting wearability; Jeff confirms visibility: 'number one in that the hats the toques, the shirts'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Keith Elwin mentioned 'Laundry Day' pinball as potential next Stern title; comment reportedly trended on Twitter

    medium · Josh: 'Keith...said, basically, make a game out of anything. Laundry Day would be the next game, his third title for Stern. That's got to be fun...I think you made Laundry Day actually trend on Twitter'

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    sentiment_shift: Positive community tone contrasting with forum negativity toward new manufacturers; Loser Kid represents optimistic counter-narrative

    medium · Josh: 'It kind of bothers me when people go on the forums and stuff like that and try to tear down these efforts' vs. hosts' commitment to positive coverage

    • 2:54
    But he was very generous. He let me stay the night. Even in the morning, he's like, yeah, just lock up when you leave. We got to head out. We'll see you later. I was like, you barely know me. You let me have the keys to the house. Cool, whatever. Yeah, so I stayed and I played all of his pinball machines as long as I could until I had to hit the road and get back to Vernal. There were two missing when he left. So you're both kind of on the creepy side. You're staying at the place, and he's telling you things like, boy, you don't really toss and turn that much when you sleep, and then you're overstaying your welcome by staying in his basement, probably stealing a few things on the way. I can only assume. You know it. If he can move things up and down, I have the stairs of death in the back, which is why I don't buy and sell games that much, just because it is so horrendous to actually get up and down these stairs. They should never have been built because I guarantee they are not code. But this is what I have to deal with to get into my basement. That is so true. I mean, I'm lucky. My house is, I guess they call it, it's not a back split. I don't know what. I go through the basement to get in my pinball machines, but I can go around the back directly in the basement. But I have friends that have just the worst possible basements. Operators, too. They have to go up winding stairs to get there. It's just I don't know how they do it. I mean, you have to deadlift these 300-pound machines. You better like a game when you're getting it because it ain't moving. So when we got Wizard of Oz down, we were bringing it down these horrible stairs. And if you have not moved Wizard of Oz, it's probably the heaviest game ever made. And it was horrible. And I'm surprised no one got killed dropping that thing. You mentioned slap. I actually received a slap pin last year at Texas Pinball Festival. That's a pretty big league there in Salt Lake. Yeah, it's fairly good sized. the last one I went to, we had our record turnout of 40 people, which is pretty good for an area that as of two years ago, we had maybe 10 that were showing up. And so we do the Salt Lake Gaming Con every year. And we have wonderful people in the group that bring all their pinball machines. And we also have JJ of Game Exchange bring his machines. And we set up for this big event. And I think last year we had 150 participants just at the show itself. And so it's growing every year. and it's wonderful to see pinball prospering here in Utah. It's something I have to check out. And by the way, I've been to Salt Lake. In fact, I was there in January, and you're wondering, why didn't I call? It was a layover to go to Palm Springs to go to Indisc. Sorry, that's why. Really? You chose Palm Springs over Salt Lake City? Well, I was on the way to Indisc, right? So wherever I flew from, whether it was Detroit or Toronto, I can't remember, stop off in Salt Lake, and it was maybe even an hour layover at best. Anything longer, of course, I'm ringing you up, Scott. I just bet the weather in Southern California was better in January than it was here. Again, I don't even know if I made it outside, probably just terminal to terminal. But those days are going to have to wait before that happens again. But anyway, actually, speaking of Salt Lake, earthquake there just a few weeks ago. Everyone okay? Yeah, actually, speaking of the airport, we actually had some damage at the airport. They shut it down. The control tower was shut down and there was a water pipe that was dumping onto the terminal Also I personally happened to be up and around and I was sitting on the toilet when the earthquake hit Sure it was an earthquake We very famous for our rodeo here So he actually had a rope. He thought he was doing the Buck of Morocco thing here. So what happened when you were on the can? Seriously, I was sitting there and it just started moving and my wife was in bed just watching TV. I shouted out, you better check the kids. I think we're having an earthquake right now. And she said, double flush. Yeah. She says spray. Light a match.
    6:33
    But everyone's okay? Yeah. We didn't have any damage. Did you feel it out there in Vernal, Josh? We did not. I have some family members that are out in the Utah area that did feel it, but it didn't come this far east. We're about 180 miles to the east of Salt Lake, so didn't get that far. We may eventually get to pinball, but I do want to talk more about the bathroom situation and what's going on today. Scott, you made a great purchase, too. You got me thinking I might be looking on Amazon for a very wise decision to add to your loo, so to speak. Absolutely. So my wife last year, she went to Europe. And when she got home, I surprised her with a bidet insert that you put right on top of your toilet seat. She was very surprised and she was used to them in Europe. And so with all the toilet paper hoarding that is going on with the coronavirus, we are good to go. I just think if this would have happened around Halloween when people are lining up my trees with toilet paper and stuff, we'd all be fine. But, of course, now it's not the case. But anyway, that's a great idea, the bidet. I think that's – if you're looking to help your stocks, boy, find stocks and bidets. There you go. Well, I'm sorry. I've got to cut you off for a second. My grandfather, his kids, when they were growing up, they got their house toilet papered. And he's waste not, want not, right? So he made all his kids go out and get a trash bag and they filled it up and they stuck the trash bag right next to the toilet. And that's the toilet paper they used for the next couple of months. Wait, you're kidding. Did you have to pick out the twigs out of the toilet paper? I'll have to ask my mom. It was my grandfather that made my mother and her siblings do it. So yeah, I guess they had to pick out the twigs and put them in the trash can. Wow. I think I saw an episode of that on Little House on the Prairie years ago, but I can't remember. The good old toilet paper episode. I know which one you're talking about.
    8:17
    So right before the kid goes blind. anyway oh my gosh maybe that's what cost it uh off the rails what the hell we're stuck at our houses here you know we're just having some fun here with uh scott and josh here from loser kid podcast if you certainly don't know the podcast you probably have seen their merchandise everywhere my goodness you guys number one in that the hats the toques, the shirts now. You just, I assume hazmat suits and face masks coming out soon? Yes. Also toilet paper and whatever else we can get our hands on. Well, you know, I do work at a hospital, so all of my masks are personally logoed with the Loser Kid logo right there. So that's all people see when I walk around. It's funny how that logo has continued so many years after it was created. Yeah. I don't know why it stuck around. It's just something I've had it for so long. Like even I remember graduating and my grandmother wanted to do something special. So she actually stitched that logo on a queen size blanket for me. And it's been around since I've been in high school. And I just don't know why. Maybe it's because it's a cool logo. Kind of your version of a nicer graffiti, so to speak. And I think it's great. And I like seeing it everywhere too, by the way. Me too.
    9:31
    Scott, you mentioned you work at a hospital and I have to tell you, I was personally moved, loved hearing the stories. And you recently were in Guatemala and did some wonderful surgeries and helped a lot of kids there. And tell us about that time in Guatemala. Yeah, so I feel very lucky, one, in that not everybody has the opportunity of using their skill set or their trade in a charity fashion. But I was approached by one of my partners who goes down to Guatemala every year, and he asked if I wanted to become involved. And so we go down there every January, and we work on kids who have cleft lips and palates and other things. Some kids aren't born with ears, And it's called Microtia. And there are some kids that have scars, whether or not it's dog bites or burns. And we spent an entire week trying to help repair these things. And we do this surgery at no cost. There's a high percentage of poverty in Guatemala. The average annual income is just around $1,000. So that would not allow for most people to get these type of surgeries. And so we have a motivated team here from Utah that go down and we pay our own way. and we rent the facility and we provide these surgeries free of charge. Again, I feel very lucky that I am able to go down and I will go down there as long as I can. That's so special. I'm really proud of what you've done and your whole team there for doing that and really changing lives too. So Josh, what have you done?
    10:59
    If you're going to put me on the spot, our heating air conditioning company has donated our service before. We had a child that was wheelchair bound and so we ended up doing duct work and upsizing their furnace. so that way they can make a wheelchair accessible room on a house for this little girl. And we donated all of our services and materials for it. That's very nice. I'm so glad I'm the one asking the questions because if it was the other way around, I'd be like, ah, bah, bah, bah, bah, internet connection, ah, bah.
    11:24
    Well, you know what? The reason I bring this up is I think it's just a natural, you know, whether you're watching a TV show with two hosts, whether you're listening to a podcast with two hosts, whatever the case may be, you know, if you listen to old comedy, Abbott and Costello, you always kind of had a favorite. it. So I am on the fence. Am I a Scott fan? Am I a Josh fan? You know, you got to pick one or the other. I just don't want to teeter. So I'm going to let you guys make your case right now. And for the listeners of the podcast to tell us why first Scott, why you are the much better podcaster and even human being than Josh, I'll let you go first. Okay. Well, first of all, I'm bald. So I'm aerodynamic I can run really fast I also am shaped a little bit like a cannonball with short legs which is aesthetically pleasing I also drive a mani van which is an Acura MDX So it basically the male version of the minivan And so that obviously has street credibility right there. I also have a Wizard of Oz pinball machine, which is catering to both genders. And it certainly is something for the ladies. And I have never tried to walk on high heels, but I bet I could probably do that too. So I can basically appeal to all people just on my ability, my aesthetics, and my collection. I'm making notes. Not bad. Josh, what do you got? You know, I'm going to go at it a different approach, Jeff. I know that you've been in doing this podcasting thing now for quite some time, and you've done it with plenty of co-hosts. And you know that having a co-host is like a marriage. I will tell you right now, I could not do this without Scott. He is a fantastic man. He's very charitable, and he does a lot behind the scenes. and so you should definitely pick Scott because I'm just the velvet voice. No, not the velvet voice. I am just the loud voice behind everything, and Scott does so much behind the scenes. It's unbelievable. I appreciate everything he does. So really, you should pick Scott.
    13:17
    Not bad cases for both, but Josh, I know the game you're playing there. Let's be honest, all right? I mean, that kind of passing the buck there, you know, the woe is me thing. I don't know if I'd buy that, so Scott may get the vote on that. Scott, you said you could walk in high heels. It's just talk right now. I haven't seen any proof. You've had time while Josh was talking to throw on a couple of stilettos. You didn't, so there's a big negative there.
    13:42
    What else do we know? Well, I do like that Guatemala thing, and Scott did pose for a picture in which he actually made a sign that said, Jeff Heels for IFPA president. You don't have any idea how many Utah votes I got because of Scott doing that. Although, Josh, you do model the loser kid merchandise quite a bit. I think it makes me wonder if we were to purchase it, if it's going to have your DNA all over it. I am a little concerned about that. Scott, Josh, it's still a tie. I've got one tiebreaker. All right. Go for it. Josh, pick a better name, buddy. Scott, you're the winner. Whoa, boom. Hey, I've also been to 11 Rush concerts. Boom. Oh, okay. Done. You know what? I'm going to blame this on Josh Sharp because obviously Josh's takes seconds.
    14:27
    Oh, boom. Exactly. Let's be honest. All right. You didn't stand a chance, Josh. But I still like the podcast. I mean, it's just obviously there's the stronger voice. And please now market that as the strong Scott with co-host or sidekick or, you know, whatever you want to call.
    14:43
    Goofy foil, Josh. Just I would like Loser Kid to rebrand that way, if possible. See, I think next time I need to introduce their podcast and then introduce him as my co-captain. It's probably true. Here, I'm going to give you a quick intro, too. Feel free to use it, all right? You're listening to the Loser Kid Podcast with the amazing Scott and Josh. Love it. All right. There you go.
    15:07
    Well, the other thing, though, when you were on our show, we tried to rebrand you. Have you been rebounding yourself as Jeff, the Velvet Voice, Velvet Voice Teolis? I have not called myself the Velvet Voice. I was flattered by that, I guess, compliment.
    15:20
    It's funny you should say that. Others have said that, too. I'm in broadcasting. And when it comes to voices, by far, I have the worst voice of anybody I work with. By far. That you work with, not in the pinball podcasting world. We don't know where you work. Okay. That's a good point. That's like saying I'm an ugly movie star. I mean, come on. So long as you're above Steve Bumushi, right? Whatever his name is. Buscemi.
    15:48
    Handsome fellow. What are you talking about? You know, I really do get a kick out of your show because of, Well, the content's amazing. I mean, Keith Elwin, you're like the go-to for the GOAT and him coming on there. My goodness, I think you made Laundry Day actually trend on Twitter when he said, basically, make a game out of anything. Laundry Day would be the next game, his third title for Stern. That's got to be fun when you get Keith on there, and he certainly likes opening up when he's on Loser Kid. Oh, it's fantastic. Like I said at the beginning of this, we started this out as just something fun, and we reached out to Keith just saying, hey, we want you on. and she's like sure let's do it and so i was kind of flabbergasted i wasn't expecting keith of all people to say yes and so between keith and like eric and josh sharp it's just there's a repertoire of people that have been on our show and it just kind of i'm humbled every day by it because i just wouldn't have expected people high up in the industry to want to talk to two kids from from utah you know what i'm saying yeah and it's basically as joe kamikow calls him the kid the kid the goat and also and he talks about all the new blood and pinball It's just fun to be part of that new blood, certainly not to the level of a lot of other people. We just felt very honored that when we reach out, people will talk to us. We do tend to be on the positive side. It just makes it more fun in life when you focus on the positive, I feel. And so I've just had a great time. I'm disappointed that we weren't able to go out to the Texas Pinball Festival. But as we all know, life takes precedence over pinball. and certainly it was the safe thing for us to not go out there and for them to cancel the show. But we are looking for next year, and it should be a great show coming up. And I can't make it to Pinburg this year, but I'm certainly looking forward to again watching the excellent coverage online. Yeah, I think we're certainly all disappointed that Texas Pinball Festival, rightly so, had to be canceled for this year. And I actually made a post on Tilt Forums. There's a long list of places, barcades, if you will, operators that are going to be probably looking for a little bit of help. So if you go on Tilt forums, you'll find that thread. It's actually a wiki now and that you can add to it and the links and it's a way for people to help out some of these great events and certainly great local places too. So I think that's important you have a look at that. You mentioned TPF. One of the things I was looking forward to was obviously the release of the new Deep Root game and whatever else was coming out from Deep Root You had Robert Mueller on That was a great interview What are your thoughts about Deep Root and Robert and do you share that excitement So it was great because it actually had some well responses to him He wasn shooting from the hip which was really great I always been a big fan of one his enthusiasm and absolutely, he has probably been burned a few times by some bravado and trying to hype up the sales. However, as I've said before, he's done things that no one else has done. He's put up his own money. He took J-Pop from the scrap heap and actually paid J-Pop's debts, which again is above and beyond. When he was trying to do the Deep Reveal, he was paying for people to stay in hotels and to host them at this event. And so he's all in. So I'm really excited to see what he's doing because we know that the business is hard enough if you are not passionate about it. And so for him to bring the passion and to really want to elevate and change the game. The last time we saw this was with Jersey Jack trying to change the game with Wizard of Oz, because once Wizard of Oz came out, it pushed Stern to greater heights and to explore different things. And so I'm looking for another infusion like that into pinball, where you're getting a relative newcomer coming in and being able to tell us, hey, you guys haven't thought of this. Let's do it. Back to your question, Jeff too. I'm really excited for DeepRoot. I'm excited for honestly any company willing to make pinball and try to make a name for themselves in this industry. It kind of bothers me when people go on the forums and stuff like that and try to tear down these efforts. I know that DeepRoot hasn't put anything physically out yet for the main public to try besides the test run of Raza, but how could you not be excited for them? They've got developers, they've got the talent. I mean, there's just so many right things with DeepRoot. All we need is to see the machines now. And yeah, he's had a lot of bravado in the past and said some pretty brash things, but you've got to do that sometimes. And so, like Scott said, we're very positive guys, and I'm just excited for more pinball always, because that means that there's room for it to grow here, and we always want growth in pinball. I agree about the positivity, and I certainly try to relay that on this program. I also allow people to say whatever they want on this show, and it can be from one end of the spectrum to the other, And as long as it isn't something, you know, hateful or anything like that, you know, opinions certainly welcome. It's interesting that you do have such a positive show, which is one of the reasons I like Loser Kid. But I did see one of the funniest posts on your Facebook page when you asked, all right, what is the worst possible theme for a pinball machine? You got some crazy answers. Let's not go over the answers right now. But, Scott, what would your worst theme be? And you too, Josh. Oh, I was the one who posted colonoscopy a center to your core.
    21:01
    It's got to be a lower play field for sure. Oh. With a bidet, obviously. Exactly. All right, Josh. Honestly, I don't know. Someone posted like C-SPAN or like Congress the Pinball Machine. I think that'd be terrible if I had to sit through even five minutes of that. I just I don't think that'd be an enjoyable theme at all. It's probably a recent title, but I don't think anyone would disagree. Cats the Musical the Pinball Machine would be horrible. Yes. I totally agree. There's so many themes out there that I just don't think would integrate well with pinball, but I guess I haven't put much thought into it. The problem is when we posted that, we knew Keith was coming on, so it was kind of like we wanted answers without people knowing that Keith was coming on, kind of like an under-the-rug thing. Very tricky. Don't worry, I do that same kind of research too.
    21:50
    Once in a post, I said, what are the things you don't like about tournaments or formats or things like that? 372 responses. Oof. And Marty and I kind of tackle that on our final round pinball podcast. And it's funny. I mean, there's some good suggestions. And I think actually some changes in the IFPA may come from it. So we'll see. Guys, it's been a pleasure to have you on Pinball Profile. I know I'll be listening to Loser Kid Podcast. And I'm sure I'll be seeing a lot of people wear your incredible merchandise. And where can they get that merchandise? You can contact us through Loser Kid Pinball Podcast on Facebook or Loser Kid Pinball Podcast at gmail.com. And these shirts are so soft. It's like Scott's snuggling you to sleep every night. Okay, that's creepy. But I'm throwing you in the back of the man van.
    22:34
    Yeah, that's crazy. When we started doing this, I didn't want to make anything that people weren't going to wear. And so I said, make sure it's the best quality hats, the best quality shirts. And so that way, when people wear them, they're going to wear it. If you get the $5 throwaway T-shirt, you're not going to wear it again. But if you actually get one that is comfortable, that's soft, and the hats are good quality, then people are going to wear them over and over again. And so that's my attitude is don't do it unless it's comfortable. You guys are wonderful. I appreciate everything you do. Let me just give you one merchandise tip, and hopefully no one's listening to this podcast right now so that you guys can steal this. You can trademark it. I've seen the hats. I've seen the toques. Very good, especially here in Canada where it's cold. You know the one part of the market you missed? Which is that? Underwear. I'm going to give this to you, all right? And you can just, I'm sure it'll sell millions. The Loser Kid Dickie. Oh, yes. Go ahead. Love it.
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    Putting it on the map. That would be awesome. Boys, all the best. I look forward to the next episode of Loser Kid Podcast, and you can too. Scott, Josh, thank you very much. Thank you, Jeff. Thanks, Jeff. This has been your Pinball Profile. You can find our group on Facebook, also Twitter and Instagram at Pinball Profile. But go to pinballprofile.com. Get your new feeds so that you can continue to get this program. and hear maybe you on the next episode. Also email us, pinballprofile at gmail.com. I'm Jeff Teoles. The kids are alright.
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    The kids are alright.