Pinball Mod Talk Episode 19 - EXPO excitement is UNCANNY + Stumblor Partners with DPX

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TL;DR

X-Men hype dominates Expo preview as Stumblor partners with Dutch Pinball on Alice integration.

Summary

Rob and Davey discuss the upcoming Pinball Expo (Oct 15-19), focusing on excitement around the newly revealed X-Men machine by Stern (designed by Jack Danger) and Jersey Jack Pinball's upcoming Avatar title. They preview their booth plans including homebrew machines, mods, and toppers, and announce a major partnership between Davey's Stumblor and Dutch Pinball to integrate Davey's Lolly control board into the Alice machine for LED and servo control.

Key Claims

X-Men features offset flippers, triple flipper at bottom, no left sling, articulating hands that move ramps and flick the ball, and complex ball paths similar to but exceeding Foo Fighters
high confidence · Davey describing the machine design from video content and Jack Danger's Instagram
X-Men Limited Edition has reduced production count to 818 units
high confidence · Davey mentioning LE count when discussing his purchase decision
Stern used proprietary 3D modeling/virtual prototyping in X-Men development, not VPX
medium confidence · Davey's technical analysis of development methodology shown in Jack Danger's Instagram content
Avatar is priced at $12,000+ entry point compared to X-Men at lower price tier
medium confidence · Rob discussing the price difference and market positioning of Avatar
Avatar features UV lighting, glow-in-the-dark elements, and projector-based lighting system
medium confidence · Rob's technical analysis of leaked Avatar promotional imagery
Jersey Jack Pinball will do full Avatar reveal at Expo, similar to Elton reveal strategy last year
high confidence · Rob's prediction based on JJP's historical pattern of major reveals at Expo
Stumblor's Lolly board (version 3) will be integrated into Dutch Pinball's Alice machine for LED and servo control
high confidence · Davey announcing the partnership with Melvin from Dutch Pinball
Davey purchased X-Men LE partly as business decision to receive machines faster for modding R&D
high confidence · Davey's explicit statement about modding advantage gained from LE tier ordering

Notable Quotes

“I couldn't have been less excited when I heard it was the Uncanny X-Men...and then this drops and everybody was like what the f is that...it just looks unbelievable”
Davey (Stumblor)@ 5:37 — Captures the surprised reception to X-Men's innovative design despite initial theme skepticism
“This is the first title in a while where the premium is a must in my mind...those articulating hands are so cool”
Rob@ 8:17 — Indicates X-Men's mechanical complexity justifies premium tier pricing, a rare endorsement in the community
“If you're following the pinside thread on the day of release...it went from like three to 20 pages in like an hour”
Rob@ 12:39 — Quantifies unprecedented social media engagement for X-Men announcement
“They've got trust in him...but two I think possibly that they're realizing that this is actually what people want they want something a bit different they want something that's mech heavy”
Davey@ 12:01 — Suggests Stern's strategic shift toward complexity and innovation after period of conservative design
“I struggle with this movie because...I didn't see the second movie...I'm not going to spend $12,000 on this”
Rob@ 17:56 — Reveals theme licensing and price point are barriers for location operators on Avatar
“JJP going to release Elton at the show it's crap...and then everybody started playing it...it's actually pretty good”
Rob@ 22:06 — Notes JJP's pattern of initial skepticism followed by strong reception at Expo reveals

Entities

X-Mengame Avatargame Jack DangerpersonStern PinballcompanyJersey Jack Pinballcompany RobpersonDaveyperson

Signals

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design_innovation: X-Men introduces offset flipper layout, triple flipper configuration, articulating hands that move ramps, and eliminated left sling with pop bumper replacement. Represents significant mechanical risk-taking by Stern.
high · Davey's detailed description and Jack Danger's shared Instagram content showing prototype and physical modeling
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design_philosophy: Stern appears to be shifting toward mech-heavy, challenging games with intricate ball paths, moving away from conservative fan-layout designs. Suggests internal trust in designer Jack Danger and recognition that market wants innovation.
high · Davey's analysis: 'they're realizing that this is actually what people want they want something a bit different they want something that's mech heavy'
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product_strategy: X-Men LE reduced to 818 units (from historical norms), creating FOMO and faster collector adoption. Davey's strategic decision to purchase LE for R&D advantage shows collectors valuing tier access.
high · Davey stating LE count reduction and his rationale: 'it makes sense to either have the LE or the pro...get measurements sooner'
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sentiment_shift: X-Men generated unprecedented social media engagement despite initial theme skepticism. Pinside thread grew 3-20 pages in one hour. Community sentiment shifted dramatically positive upon reveal.
high · Rob's observation of Pinside engagement spike and both hosts' own sentiment reversals from skeptical to enthusiastic
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market_signal: X-Men's articulating hands on premium/LE tier appear to justify price premium in community perception. Rob states premium is a 'must' for this title, first time in a while.

Topics

X-Men machine design innovation and receptionprimaryPinball Expo 2024 announcements and expectationsprimaryJersey Jack Pinball Avatar title and market positioningprimaryStumblor/Dutch Pinball partnership and control board integrationprimaryMod maker industry and aftermarket customizationsecondaryHomebrew pinball development and communitysecondaryManufacturing innovation and design philosophy in modern pinballsecondaryPinball community sentiment and social media engagementmentioned

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Transcript

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[Music] [Applause] [Music] what's up everybody welcome to in before for the lock we are on episode number 19 I'm Rob with the Electric Playground as always we've got Davey with stumbler Davey how you doing he rob how's it going man you good I'm good I'm good I'm excited like everybody's excited we are ramping up for Expo the news is dropping dropping hot from everywhere you've got big news yeah big news man it's big news week yeah mad 48 hours but uh you know we're almost through to the other side now and I'll I'll have a more chilled day tomorrow so that'll be good for sure man this episode has come together quick uh over the last week we've got X-Men Avatar Alice is still hot you're making it hotter uh everything's coming down the line uh and you're coming to Expo right we've got that coming up in about definitely yeah definitely coming to Expo uh really looking forward to it um you know it's always one of those things isn't it it's like sort of you know two months out or whatever and you you sort of don't really know what's going to be happening or who's going to be bringing what and you're like yeah it'll be fun it's always fun and then couple of weeks out suddenly you know all hell breaks loose all the manufacturers start sort of announcing their games we get a game like X-Men dropping which is just blowing everyone's minds and then suddenly the excitement's just like through the roof so can't wait man it's gonna be great well us mind makers we don't get to make machines so our news is a little less exciting but you're uh getting us in the mix yeah well you know it's it's funny like it's like all this big news but there's it's it's fun to be bringing stuff uh to other titles as well so we've got some we've got some cool news for you guys uh in terms of Davey uh partnering up with Dutch pinball and Alice uh and uh we're g to start off we're GNA talk about X-Men and Avatar because that is the big news um so we're going to dive into those machines we're probably G to save um getting into like a mod Deep dive on those for a future episode once we've got to to play around with those more uh we're going to be talking about EXP which is coming up October 15th to 19th so that's in about a month uh Davy's partnership with Dutch uh latest that damn that damn thumbs up um Dave's yeah yeah we've got lots of lots of stuff coming for black and white um looking forward to seeing that video you've got and then we've got some cool stuff on The Mod front as well so Davey just like fresh fresh off fresh off the presses how are you feeling on X-Men are you in well uh well look I couldn't have been less excited when I heard it was the uncy X-Men which is not to say that I don't love The Uncanny X-Men it was probably like one of my big comic book loves I suppose before I sort of hit sort of Batman Dark Knight era um and like Sin City sort of Bas stuff when I was a bit older so on keny xman was one of my big uh you know you know comic books when I was younger but when I heard it was on KY Xmen I'm like oh no it's just another Marvel title um you know they've done so many Marvel titles you know everybody's done with them and stuff and then this drops and everybody was like what the is that like you know we've got offset flippers we've got a triple flipper down the bottom we've got no left sling we got a pop bumper where that sling should be we've got hands that move ramps and flick the ball and mate it just looks unbelievable the ball PS I mean Jack's sort of known for having these crazy ball paths Foo Fighter you know f fighters was you know uh really notable for that um just the weird sort of ways that the ball could move around the Playfield this looks like you know I was looking at f fighters earlier and stuff and it's still for me an incredible game this looks like you know it's just taken that idea and and and and doubled it it's uh incredible um so yeah I'm blown away man I'm definitely in um and I was in quite quickly to when I saw that video I was like on the phone to my dro just going yeah how much I again with this and you know so yeah man I'm I'm super jazzed on it um this is a little video I found on Jack danger the designer's uh Instagram uh this you know we haven't seen a ton of like real video on this yet this flipper setup is is super exciting to me um it's funny I was uh I was noticing that it was offset it reminded me of Spy Hunter which I got to play at pincinnati last year for the first time not necessarily a well-known game but uh it's cool they're taking so many risks I think I I was I was excited about X-Men as a fan uh less excited about seeing another title that we've seen from them before I think that was like oh they're going to do these guys again uh but clearly they're taking a ton of risks I mean I feel like this is making Stern as a company feel exciting um not only for this title but for what's to come um so like there's so many risks I feel like they're taking and obviously this offset flipper thing is one of them but uh man I also feel like for me at least like this is the first title in a while where the premium is a must in my mind I mean those those articulating hands are so cool um and and you said you're in what on the Le did you say or you shamefully I feel a bit ashamed but yeah I said I was done with L and then I saw this Le with the the purple and the amazing side rails and yeah I I found out you know whether my dro had an LA and so yeah I'm in on the LA um shamefully but I'm going to love it and enjoy it and uh it's going to be great I just think I don't know man I mean that just goes to show um you know how much it blew me away I guess because I was like I was Ho humming this title and then it came out and then I'm in on La like is just ridiculous but well I mean I don't know if it's worth the price for the difference but the paint looks amazing like if you're really excited about this game there's only 818 of them so they've reduced the count on it one of the other to be honest one of the other reasons I went with the Le man is like and it sounds really [ __ ] to say it but it's it was a business decision like we get the Le's so much faster here you know with jaws I was waiting for my premium here like you know the L came out Pros came out and the premiums came out like so much later that everybody else just got a head start from a modding point of view so if I am going to mod this game you know in some ways it makes sense to either have the Le or the pro or at least to know somebody within my inner circle it has one of those just so that we can take measurements sooner um so that was one of my primary um decision you know and that's how I convinced myself that it was a wor bu decision um you saying you were saying before about um how the premium is definitely the the way to go on this title and uh Neil McCrae who also does a podcast here in the UK and is quite well known on pinside he was over at uh Stern this week um playing X-Men uh a lot he played all versions and in his opinion uh the premium and Le obviously 100% of the way to go with this title sorry yeah I don't know all the specifics but like the articulating hands are just so cool in my mind there's one on each side I think it really brings the theme together like everyone loves the head the head is coming on the pro but you know the sen Sentinel if you're a fan of this theme um and the hands coming together um I believe the magnet is on the pro and of course you've got the danger room third flipper but there is this whole kind of contraption here in the middle that unique um to the premium um I mean isn't it it's the hands for the for the price difference like you know taking the Laie out of the picture you know if you're if you're a mod guy like we are obviously like you can rack up 2K on mods real quick and no mod you're going to buy is going to be these two articulating hands so nobody nobody's gonna put those back in yeah but um I was going to say like you know you you're mentioning earlier the risks that were taken with this and I mean you know I'm sure that you know other podcasters are going to get in you know talk about this ad nauseum stuff but I think it's so interesting that they that you know I can just imagine how difficult it must have been for Jack to have you know got this past and probably one of the only reasons why he he was able to do it um obviously number one because they've got trust in him you know um but two I think possibly that they're realizing that this is actually what people want they want something a bit different they want something that's um you know that's Mech heavy they want something with intricate ball paaths something quick something challenging and just something that they haven't seen before not you know just not another boring fan layout um uh yeah and you know and I I'm just I'm pleased and I'm excited that they decided to go in this direction and not continually try and play it safe or reduce the bomb or whatever it was that they were doing before this new direction is welcomed and I think like if you if you were sort of following the pinside thread on the day of release I don't think I've ever seen so was it was just Bonkers man yeah I didn't witness it personally but if you're if you're on pinside you know how there's these pages and the pages of content I think it Alec said it went from like three to 20 pages in like an hour or something so it's just Saye yeah just level of positivity too like the levels of positivity were insane like absolutely absolutely Jack has been sharing a ton of content on his Instagram again the designer uh I know he's been mentioned at least off record that it took some convincing internally to get you know this title through uh this is really cool I mean as mod makers we're constantly trying to leverage technology we've shown some of the 3D models that both of us do uh this is really cool to see that they're doing this where like they're they're speeding up development and prototyping by building physical models like obviously as consumers we're going to benefit from this um because they're able to make more educated decisions so really cool to see just from a from a Content perspective they're sharing this stuff as well yeah and the really what I found most interesting about this as well is that you know we um a couple of the technical guys uh you know that I know from around the world um a guy called Vincent in France and I quite often talk about you know we we just Dreamscape about creating pinball companies and you know talk about how we'd do it if we were going to do it and stuff and one of the aspects that we talk about is this virtual modeling of the machine um now we you know we been looking at uh you know anybody who has played or has set up a virtual uh pinball machine before we'll know that VPX is kind of like uh one of the leaders sort of in that field an open source platform there's you know all these tables are modeled they're physical um modeling is really precise they've gone through loads of different iterations I think VPX is like virtual pinball 10 so it's been through loads of iterations to get to that point vpe which is their latest um version of that system uh which is um you know still still in production but going to be released down the road um but the idea is is that you could use VPX to model your table and then run the same code that that you're going to be running in game but instead of pointing it to the physical table you're pointing it to this virtual platform now that to me what you just showed doesn't look like VPX to me now I might be wrong and somebody uh you know some more knowledgeable person in the comments might be able to point out that it actually is um but you know there's there's quite a few sort of technical challenges to overcome with getting um VPX uh you know pointing pointing game code at VPX because VPX uses like Visual Basic which is like an archaic language now which is partly the reason why they're moving to VP but um it looks as though Stones written their own solution to this problem that's that's yeah I'd be curious to know how long how long they've been doing this um but I'm I'm sure it varies from game to game you know designer to designer they're there certainly you know some of them use old school stuff and this is clearly probably new school so yeah uh super excited about this title we're going to do a deep dive on it um as it develops um hopefully going to get our hands on this in October um I know you you'll be looking forward to seeing yours and then we also have uh you know a fast follow of leaked footage or uh I don't know exactly what the plan is with Jersey Jack and their Avatar but we are getting content on that as well uh any uh I I'll put you on the spot again like any uh any early thoughts on this bad boy well we had a little bit of a chat with this about this pre pre going live didn't we yeah yeah way less to work on here but um it it is evolving yeah but we like I don't know okay so okay start start of all X-men we were saying you know that I I wasn't particularly jazzed about the theme but I went all in on the LA as soon as I saw the game so for me theme isn't a big thing right and I thought that X-Men proved that theme isn't as important as what people make out that it is however you were saying that Avatar as a theme as a real turn off for you well there's you know if you're following all the channels people are doing polls and like you know I think universally everyone is skeptical of this theme we were wanting Matrix or Harry Potter uh from them I struggle with this movie because like the movie was cool but like as a fan of you know my favorite movie being like Star Wars like I I know how I can get about a storyline and it frustrates me that I could give a crap less about Avatar like so much so that I I didn't see the second movie um and I I it's weird because like with Elton I was skeptical to that theme I see the game and I'm like I'm all in on it right like I care less about the theme with this one I I could I could be proven wrong but I just feel like I'm gonna turn my nose up to this one based on the theme because I just am frustrated with like the fact that it didn't suck me in you know it's like I'm not going to spend also you got the price of the machine like your your entry point is 12,000 instead of seven I think those two things together makes it tough for me to you know care about this and now we've got Xmen yeah yeah I know exactly now look I mean all of those reveals that we've seen so far look to me like the game is going to be lighting heavy yeah yeah now um now I'm not one to talk because my whole stick is lighting right that's that's my thing okay so that's that's a good actually that one you've got up there right so we've got what looks to be some kind of projector in the game right okay so that's they're the what we can see is those floating islands that are an avatar and of course you're going to create an avatar game they're really iconic set piece in Avatar so it's it's nice that they're in there but behind them is what I find most interesting see those like dots of light right that kind of means they've got like some kind of projector whether it's like one of those you know those disc those I'm not suggesting it's going to be a cheapo disco lamp but it's got got to be something like that right something that projects dots of Light Within the Playfield so they've got UV lighting uh possibly glow-in-the-dark rubbers and and maybe glow-in-the-dark paint at work as well possibly or at least UV reflective paint um and then some kind of light that projects light onto the backboard and and other areas like that which is which is really interesting okay but it it does look to me as though their that all of the at least all of their promo content so far has been focused on those aspects yeah so this is yeah the lighting is lighting is definitely the focus I I don't know if I don't know if this image came from Canada originally or or how it all came to be but they basically revealed these two different Graphics that I guess they piece together and you can actually see how IC the lighting can be based on their system um and it looks it looks impressive I mean don't get me wrong I haven't actually seing that but that is jjp has been kind of Knocked for being like too much all about lighting so I think people are kind of saying okay like the lighting look like it's going to be nextg as far as your guys's ability to use it but we still need to see some mechs right and now we've got X-Men that's got like still got and it's still got to shoot good like yeah well I think it'll good because they fixed that right they fixed it it's done uh well okay you own the game did they fix it no they did fix it they did they did well look the flippers are GNA the flippers are going to be good no mistake the flippers are going to be great but is it going to shoot good you know like sorry you know it's Eric again and no no no no no no it's uh this Eric sidon's guy so it's a new guy yeah it's a new guy oh I didn't know that okay that's you're spending too much time making 18 minute videos that I haven't been able to watch yet and you're not paying attention we're gonna get to that we're gonna don't don't shoot your load too early man we're gonna get to that I gotta say it first I'm not gonna let you I I didn't know I thought it was gonna be Eric ER mun so no it's Eric Mark Seiden I think his name so a new designer that people I think are excited about uh but down all right well the the jewelry's out then right so yeah thepp are going to we are definitely going to get to play this at Expo do you think or no I'm 100% I re we we'll get to play it for sure um yeah so we got Xmen Expo I what jjp will do is they'll do the full reveal at Expo much in the same way they did with Elton last year yep yep and they'll try and steal the limel that way which they kind of did actually they they did remember last year Foo Fighters was out and it was like 20 Machines of Foo Fighters were there and everybody was playing it and everybody was like jjp going to release Elton at the show it it's crap and and then the reveal happened we're like it is crap look at it what a [ __ ] game and then everybody started playing it we're like it's actually pretty good yeah you know that way so this this might go down the same way man we'll see cool so other stuff going on at Expo uh like we said we're both going to be there um one thing that I'm extremely excited about and I think I mentioned this on the last show is we're going to have Kyle Smith uh Friday the 13th uh which uh debuted at tpf a Homebrew in our booth um hoping everyone gets a chance to come check that out and he shared a bit of a hype reel for it um I want to show that to you guys yeah let's let's check it out I mean this game is fantastic and I I think what's really notable here is like he continues to build on it so he's got some new stuff going on with it so let's uh go ahead and check that out and it stopped H problem I'm gonna have to load it up differently um so we're gonna we're gonna show that here in a second um give me a second uh to load that in um what what uh what else is going on um we've got another in our Bo yeah good yeah no well I was gonna there's actually another question in the chat but I'm going to pull that in uh when time comes because it'll make more sense because otherwise we'll be jumping ahead too much but yeah you said that you've got you've got a number of home brews in your booth no yeah so we've got one other home brew that hasn't been announced in any way uh gonna be in our booth for the very first time super excited about it the shots on this thing are insane like honestly ly it's got some stuff that I've never ever seen before um he's attempting to pull off some things that that I think are gonna really blow people's mind so yeah okay how did you how did you like how did that come about how did how did contact you or he he's from St Louis so this one um we we kind of started to do this thing with Kyle uh because he was on our show and I was like hey man like are you coming to Expo he's like I don't know and I was like Well we'd love to have you in our booy can really like you know Focus people on your game and then we turned it into just a section of our booth um dedicated to home brw so we got a bigger Booth this year and we're gonna have this kind of dedicated home brew section we're also uh gonna be dropping uh a Topper that's been long rumored that we've teased a little bit um it is an official uh topper so we're going to be announcing a partnership that we're doing on this topper and then we've got another topper uh that has kind of been fast-tracked uh and it's got some something pretty special about it too so we got two Toppers coming a cool man cool I'm excited to see them I'm excited to see them um so yeah bigger Booth this year and you know so you're going to have a home brew section and there's also going to be another home brew section at Expo so yeah so there's the main home brew section and then we're just going to have these two home brw in our booth and I I think it's going to be located near the home brw so definitely uh go and check those out man this file is huge it's like it's still loading um what else did X we're going to be doing interviews like we did at tpf so if any mod makers wanted to stop by um anybody anybody's got any any if anybody wants an interview and is going to be at Expo um or if people aren't going to be at Expo but they want us to go and talk to specific people like if you want us to like Corner Jack danger and and you find out what his favorite flavor of milkshake is then you let us know and we are guys we are willing to do anything uh for beer yeah so if you um if if there's any interviews that uh you want us to do then uh just let us know either in the chats or PM us outside or email us um because yeah we'll just be walking the floor talking to people I was a bit slack on the interviews last year Rob was very good he was interviewing for the entire time did it for like an hour this year I'm gonna be on it right from the start except when I forget and we're gonna have uh I'm gonna bring my black and white Godzilla and it's gonna be is it going to be packed with your mods like is that happening I'm gonna pack it I'm gonna pack it with mods uh there's going to be no space left in that machine for anything other than my mods yeah so uh yeah and uh yeah so I'm I've just so alongside the Dutch thing that I guess we'll talk about in a bit um uh in the last 48 hours I've been putting together all the black and white versions of the Tokyo neon buildings the sign the noodle bar and the uh Subway um and so all of the sculpts have come in I assembled the mods put them in the black and white Godzilla which is which is now here at the back of the room just there um I've got to say man I'm really loving black and white Godzilla um I feel like oh I didn't know you got it yeah yeah yeah it's it's h out well mine shoots better uh than the one I had but I didn't know if it was just because it was new um but itot I think it shoots better like I don't know why um I mean I was blaming the fact that I've always got the glass off and the Playfield up and so it's just probably accumulated scum that I haven't cleaned because I'm always like chucking stuff in and out of it but M it shoot it's like a dream I'm loving it so it's kind of rekindled rekindled my love of Godzilla very nice very nice and uh I mean I've got to kind of keep both of the moment because um because I got the middle building coming at some point so I've got to keep color so I can shoot on the color and black and white so I can do the shots on the on the black and white version but um but yeah it's a great game so yeah I've got all the black and white um versions of the mods uh and I shot them all and did the promo my real should I should I get to that now should I should I jump on there and yeah let's let's see what these boed all right uh yeah I don't know if it's gonna happen I'm I'm trying to export it so so this video is all the all the stuff that you've done yeah yeah Che this out guys because like there's one in particular that really jumped out to me yeah yeah so this is just me showing black my Godzilla doing the take take it out there we go that's the stainless steel take your neon noodle bar now look at this bad boy mhm this is the one yeah man so John Youssi those mirrors so we put like these windows that were previously like blue acrylic um we've replaced it with mirror acrylic now uh we didn't think you'd be able to find mirror acrylic in that thin but we found some 1 mil stuff stuck it in and yeah it looks great and I thought it just perfect ly match the theme you know just uh it reflects the sort of the space around it reflects all the lights um and still looks silver so yeah perfect really um so really happy with that put him in very cool yeah I'm excited to excited to see those in person I've got a couple other mods coming for the black and white I've got some side art and then we'll have our topper uh as well um I've got I've got our black and white topper here can I can I show you that show you the latest on that yeah let's do it let's do it so um we we've been we've been working away on um the the color version we haven't actually shipped any of the Black and Whites yet uh but the thing I'm probably most proud of is what we're doing with the screens um so we've kind of got these like four screens obviously but we've done this really cool like classic let's get it up here um standby screen uh for each one uh so one's different obviously you've got kind of different stuff that fires up here but uh we've got a lot of mirror going on as well you can kind of see that there on the top um and uh we are just because I know everyone's gonna want to know what's up we are still working on uh the buildings um I've been fighting my resin printer like oh my gosh like I I think when I got it it was looking great there's John John's been helping me out with some with some uh stuff looks so much what are you talking about yeah what do you say they look amazing shut up man I know what you mean no mate so we I've been filming all my stuff uh this week and it's so difficult to get stuff to look good on camera you know when when there's light coming out of stuff you know it's it's It's Tricky but M that looks that looks awesome you should be really proud of that Rob looks yeah so we're going to have the color and the black and white at the show big shout out to Rob Burke who runs Expo who's bringing a number of his machine machines um this Rob has a lot of machines he's got the Guinness Book of World Records for most machines I think it's like 800 but what's really cool is that he's got about 200 machines in a storage facility because he lives in Ohio I believe he's got 200 machines in a storage facility just right outside of the Expo area and he just loads those bad boys in so that's that's pretty fun okay cool [Music] yeah I'm gonna keep going on my video attempt here because I want to show you guys Friday iom do that I'm not ready I'm not ready I want to hear about this Dutch pinball uh partnership that you formed um and I'm just gonna leave this up here for a minute while you [Laughter] talk okay so I was okay are you distracted so Rob Rob didn't watch my video before the show even though I told him to watch my video before the show and then it was about 10 minutes to go before the show and I'm like Rob did you watch the video and he's like no no no I'll watch it now and I'm like mate it's an 18-minute video you don't have the time to watch the video now so he didn't watch my video even though it took me all suay put it together yeah but uh he paused my look do this experiment Rob pause my video in some random spot no yeah no it's not working there we go anyway like I think I paused my video in multiple places like all right everyone's tired of hearing about that tell us what is the high level here on what is going on with this okay man all right so yeah yeah uh well Melvin and I uh sort of know each other from a while back we worked on the Funhouse uh to project together we've sort of remained in touch over that time uh Melvin uh got pulled into uh Dutch he's s of known the Dutch guys for a while uh he got pulled into Dutch to do a bunch of stuff we had him on the show um a little while back and he sort of went into detail about sort of what that relationship um meant and you know how he got involved with those guys uh he picked up all of the um assets uh for uh the deep root after the deep root closure um and part of those assets was Alice um Alice in Wonderland Alice's invention in Wonderland so uh obviously we sort of chatted with him on the show it's probably a couple of weeks after that that I think released the the boy of death and he got in contact with me and he said oh man it's amazing and you know I love it and we'll have to use you on a future project and I was like oh that'd be great man I'd love that and so he he contacted me a couple of days later and he's like no I'm serious let's do something and I'm like okay all right let's do it so we chatted and we talked about sort of what that meant and um uh you know we sort of nutted out the details and so essentially what that means is that my Lolly board which is the main board that I use this one that you show on the screen here the main board that I use for all of our mods in one form or another um is going to be used on Alice to uh run a bunch of LED lighting um that we can't really uh talk about yet uh but also run some servos uh which is a brand new feature of the Lolly version 3 you can see the the cat that I've got up on the screen here who uh I've affectionately called Jabba Kitty instead of Jabba walki which is the Jabba walking analice this is the Jabba Kitty and um you can see that the Lolly now is able to move his arm up and up and up and down um now the cool bit about the way the new Lolly board works is that um not only can you control servos to be like 0 degrees or 180° but you can also tie the same patterns that we controlling LED strips to control the servo so those servos can then sort of do this or this or this or this or whatever and all controlled um by those LED patterns so it sort of gives you like tons of flexibility with how a Servo can work without having to like directly code exactly what it's doing just a case of moving sliders and attributing patterns and all those kinds of things so you can see it's sort of doing a bunch of those things now um so yeah we're going to put this board in Alice it's going to do some LED lighting the uh the lighting that it's going to be doing is uh you know is sort of unique it's never really been done before in a production machine um so I'm really excited about that we're s not really allowed to talk about too much about what that's exactly going to entail yet um but it's going to be really distinctive you're going to be able to see it from across the room it's going to be game reactive so it changes based on what mode the game is in it'll be reactive based on switches as well so if you're sort of hitting a particular switch it could change the lighting like that to react to the switch hits um and it will also enable uh you know customers uh to M their own mods there's one spare sport spare port on the board where people can Implement their own mods um what you've got up on the screen now is uh an LED panel um the board can also now run animated gifts so um you can see a flame effect GIF uh that's playing uh from the board now um that's all changeable by colors so if you load up a flame gift you can change it to green or to blue and then likewise uh you can trigger it from in-game events uh so if you roll over a switch or going to a certain mode you can change that gift to be something that's more in tune with that current mode so lots of exciting new features uh in the board um this was the uh comment that came up right at the start of the uh program which said very exciting stuff congrats uh will the Lolly uh be available to the community absolutely this is just going to this is our this is our new Lolly board um um at the moment uh it's only going to be available for Alice but it'll be the main board that will be available in all our mods going forward um and it will be sent out as part of our Lolly kits that we're making for different games um it'll be the same architecture implemented in all our new mods so the Bluetooth app will work everywhere animated gifts will be working everywhere we're already working on a bunch of mods that utilize the servo Tech technology and the animated gift technology where Jazz B and I are working on something for Foo Fighters at the moment as we speak which was the sort of the precursor to this work with Dutch so tons of exciting stuff in the works um and it's just a really exciting time I don't want to I don't want to lose the fact of how big a deal this is I mean especially for the mod Community just like moving the needle forward on this topic because we've been talking about it on various shows about how nice it would be if we had more access to data like with with our Toppers we're doing all these things to get data and we're doing it in ways that ultimately do have an impact on you know our customers because it takes more time to install them and they're limited so like this is you know this is as big a deal for us as it is for like Stern to be making more Innovative layouts because it's moving the hobby forward um and uh you know congrats congrats to you making this happened I mean you you know you this didn't come out of the blue you've known Melvin for a while but Melvin is now bringing a more Forward Thinking platform to the space uh through a company in Dutch that a lot of people have a ton of trust in so I I I see these things coming together it's super exciting yeah yeah yeah and thanks for thanks for mentioning that because it's it's so true you know like I mean you know I'm an I'm an unknown resource to them you know we've not we've we've worked together a little bit on Funhouse 2 so you know we chatted we get along really well he he you know he's seen my mods and those releases and stuff but I've never worked on a production gamer in this sort of space before so for him to um you know have that trust to to sort of pull me into the fold and then to say yeah you know we're going to open up game data we're going to make sure that you know you get the information you need um you know is is a real milestone for us as as a community I think um you know leor is already working with them and has been working with them for a while and now both of us will be working on this on this project together um you know it's the first time that sort of model have really been pulled in and embraced on a project like this and it's so exciting for those reasons and you know it shows that you know you know how much Melvin sort of believes in that sort of that modding ethos um and as you say man like you know getting access to that game data in a I mean it's a USB cable between the game and the mod now you know there's no hacking there's no te- splicing there's no direct sensing it's like all modes all switches all lamps if you need them we'll get be getting sent to the board and you can pick them up and do whatever you want with them so you know for us um you know it's a really it's a really great first step and I really hope that that sort of continues and if other manufacturers sort of take note uh and think that that's a good idea and that it's successful and stuff then wouldn't that be a wonderful thing for us as a community definitely definitely well looking forward to learning more about the specifics and of course you know ways to tap into that will be um show covering it and congrats on you know furthering the tech too with the Lolly board I know I don't know how much you got into it cu converting videos but the fact that this is updatable via Wi-Fi is big I mean we don't have that with our Tech John who commented earlier has been doing some uh you got to download Arduino and update it and all that type of stuff so all that stuff really just makes it you know that yeah well actually that is another sort of aspect to so previously it has been Wi-Fi but the new app is all Bluetooth right and and the the reason why that's so great is because you can just load up your app and then the mod are there you know there's no connecting to a different Wi-Fi Channel and losing your internet while you're on there and you know when previously when we updated the firmware of the wi-fi people would have to connect to their home Wi-Fi and then you've got like you know password sharing issues and all kind and and people might be in their games room not have access to Wi-Fi so there was all these kind of uh usability headaches that we were constantly dealing with well it's going to be none of that now you know so it's a really amazing sort of step in a more sophisticated Direction I think and uh you know I'm I'm really uh excited to see where it goes awesome awesome all right well um I I want to show you guys this video because I've been promising we'll see how it goes so again this is Kyle Smith's uh Friday the 13th uh which he'll be bringing to Expo this year give you guys a look at that [Music] machete multiball one locked Jason lives awesome oh man it's it's it's so great I mean it like the fact that this is a home brew you know this is a oneof one he did the whole thing uh from scratch that he's now he's updating it he's adding a Topper so just like kudos to Kyle on this and looking forward to giving itend even more time at the show yeah yeah yeah I think I got maybe two games on it um a tpf so I'm super stoked uh to play it again man really looking forward to it so we've got some mods to show off um Dave is there anything else Godzilla black and white Expo that we missed um just before we kind of move on I don't think so I think we're good man I think we're good awesome awesome let's move on all right we've got some mods to show you guys let's kick it off [Music] so Davey's been super busy uh obviously and I I was responsible for finding the M this time and uh there was there's one there's one that really caught my eye and and some of it has to do with the fact that like uh for whatever reason I'm a huge fan of junkyard um that was a game that I I thought about buying whenever I was early in in a hobby it didn't end up H happening uh but I'm a big fan of it it's got a great theme it's got a lot of nostalgic callback and I and I saw this mod uh for it it's the junkyard toaster gun the game is about collecting like all these objects and I i' had never seen this before I thought it was really cool um and I I started I saw this too I think it was on Facebook wasn't it Facebook M yeah whatever Facebook group that we're all a part of getting fed fed the content um so i' never heard of pp mods uh I I sent him an email today just to let him know we were going to do the show I think he's based uh in Belgium well I know he's based in Belgium that's what it says um but he's got a ton of stuff that I had never seen before um when I hover over this oh I'm gonna go back I was like oh man what should I click so like Davey where do you want where you want to start uh I can't my screen's not big enough let me see uh okay hang on hang on hang on I got it I got it um CR straight up CR Creer of course I figured you're gonna pick it yeah so no prises anything you've never seen blackwitch cover that's a that's a c head C head switch cover let's check out that yeah oh yeah okay that's a pretty good that's a pretty good cre man and it's 20 those aren't quid it's whatever 20 that American money man there there was this uh this door for Twilight Zone which I had never seen I mean that's that's kind of cool it's different Alec has every mod that known to mankind for Twilight Zone except for that one he doesn't have this doesn't have this yeah no no um full backboard from IR 300 oh that's kind of cool that's kind of cool okay is this a okay yeah all right uh let's click through Adams Family uh this is kind of cool new thing box um that's actually pretty nice yeah yeah I think I might have seen this before as well you saw this one okay maybe yeah I think I may be saying that one before G&R Top Hat I mean it's a lot of it's a lot of the stuff we've seen in different forms you can get it in different flavor we got some some a throwback to Fireball um what's what's the shadow I got Shad b car yeah so I love I love kind of seeing this stuff because it's so hard for these guys to you know stand out out there so big big shout out uh to uh PP PP mods yeah and you know a company a dude that we've not um that we've not S I look Kyle's on the stream hey Kyle hi Carl um he probably just tuned in for his video we play it finally video dropped yeah somebody mentioned three gigabyte file finally converted problems but compress that [ __ ] before you send it man so so then I've got a little bit more to share um so my one of my first Godzilla mods um was from s he's s 16 on on on pinside this is this is the this is the mod I was a I was a huge fan of this one it was one of the first Godzillas but it also like for me was like really on point with zombie Yeti's interpretation of Godzilla um so I recently sold my Godzilla color to get the black and white but I I did ship this off with it so I reached out to s and I was like hey man like I'd love to get a black and white one and he's he's been kind of doing his own thing been kind of checked out of The Mod Space for a little bit but he's been he's been working on an update um so I just kind of want to share this everybody he's not even sure he's goingon to bring it to market yet but it is fun to work with a mod maker which I know you get to do quite a bit so we're kind of talking about um how to how to make this one different from all the ones that are out there because there are so many including um is it Jazz bue that yeah has do yeah he's just released uh his his black and white version as well both for the topper and the atomic Godzilla as well uh that's black and white thread um yeah actually I might try and bring those up while you keep talking about SL so he's not he's not um he's not convinced he's gonna bring these to market then no well I think he is but he's he's actually he's thinking about whether to do lighting or not on it and obviously that's taking it you know to the next level um but I I I really like how this is coming together um I'm I'm all about his Godzilla so I'm definitely going to be be picking uh this one up but if anybody's interested in this it's Leo 16 on pinside reach out to him and just let him know your thoughts um he did he did want me to note that this this line here down the middle is just part of the early prototype that won't be there um but uh he's he must be fighting his resin printer just like me um what do you what do you uh I know I know jazb just did the topper uh one does he have anything new or uh yeah well let's uh let's quickly show so I just I just managed to pull up uh said Paul's um Paul's Black and Whites that he's um he's he's sort of you know we we've been having conversations you know obviously I've just released the Black and Whites and stuff but well prior of that we're like God do we do we do anything for them or do we just try and convert what we've got to sort of match the Black and Whites and um both of us actually weren't sure how well the black and white was going to sell um um but both of us received so many messages about doing them that it sort of became um well just you know just just to stop rewriting the same message to everybody uh it was worth just doing something just so that we'd be like yeah it's on the way we're going to do it and you know and it's commercially viable I mean you know I think that probably both of us will maybe do 100 or 200 mods out of it which is fantastic and um you know it just goes to show that black and White's been a really popular title probably much more popular than a lot of us expected that it would be um and you know as we were sort of saying earlier you know I'm really impressed with how it shoots it seems to shoot better than my color um and you know I think it's got still got a fair bit of Buzz about it the the thread's still buzzing um you know a lot of mod makers are coming to the party and um and creating mods for it um this is his topper version of the of the uh same sort of so this is his topper Atomic Godzilla um H in the Black and White Version as well so yeah uh you know um those are those ones uh move on to the next mod that I've got lined up which is one for Pirates of the Caribbean now I haven't talked about this one this one's quite old now um and this is a French uh mod maker who has designed a shooter ride for it's the Caribbean now look this is not going to be everyone's cup of tea right um it uses real Barnacles on the on the handle um and he sort of integrates them into the handle to to make it look like obviously you know the uh um I don't know what you call these kind of guns what do you call them muskets maybe yeah it'll do um now I've shown this to a bunch of people and some people have responded with that's most kest thing I've ever seen me for me I'm like that's perfect you know in terms of like it how it matches the the theme of the game um now there and he's done sort of shooter o covers as well um wow um and they're not cheap I think it's about you know $500 mod or something like that they're all handbuilt he's only doing like a run of 10 or something like that each one of them is unique you can see that he's um given people sort of the option of choosing which one they want so he's sort of shown each of the different variants that he's Crea you can see they're all sort of slightly different they've all got different sort of patterns that it must take them an absolute age to make these um I wonder if I can show you sort of how they sort of come together I don't know I don't know what the model of the boat looks like it kind of kind of reminds me of this though I'd love to see how those kind of tie together and maybe up doing something with that too yeah yeah cuz I mean you can see sort of what he does he sort of buys the the Timber and then routes it all out and sort of you know so huge huge amount of work goes into these so you know people might scoff at the price tag but there's probably like you know 100 hours in each of these you know I'm only guessing but um you know you can see sort of how much effort and work goes into each of them um so you know I'm well behind this I think it's I think it's fantastic mod I don't even own a pirates the Caribbean and I I I was like yeah put me on man so um hopefully I'll be able to have one in hand I'll be able to demonstrate it and show it uh on the on the Pod and we can you know take a look at this beautiful work um and you know me man I'm not a I'm not a shooter Rod guy so um you know that was I was quite impressed by this right what else we got um oh last one that I've got is sokal so um oh I didn't know he makes mods I thought he just commented on pinside threads I know yeah yeah he's a big a big commenter on pinside threads well awesome welcome to well I'm welc to my knowledge of your welcome to the dark side yeah yeah welcome to the that I like that I know man so I look this is one that I just stumbled on I think it's only yeah 10 days ago so it just goes to show I haven't been as on it um as I should be because it's taken me till today to find this um but he's created a little modular wall for Labyrinth um so I think each of these pieces is sort of individualistic I think you can make it as big or as small as you like um and then each one of so there's sort of the modular sort of side of it and each one's kind of hand painted and if you have a look at the painting he's done he's done a really good job of it I think um so I thought this was quite cool man I think if you owned a oh the other the other bit that's worth noting too is that you know so that it doesn't block the view of the topper he's created a little sort of prop I guess um for the topa so that it sort of so that it lifts it above the wall level um so that it doesn't block your view of any of the uh the characters so you know it's really well thought out nicely designed nicely painted mod so yeah man I'm quite impressed and good to see a mod for a non you know mainstream title um it looks great I definitely think I I've always kind of felt like they that thing did feel a little bit plopped up there and I think this makes a nice I agree definitely definitely so this is a this is a really welcome addition to an already great topper right like it's it is it's a great topper um but I agree it did they were sort of placed just there weren't they there was nothing to sort of uh you know I guess frame them um and so I think this does a great job of that I mean I think that must be the unpainted version um because that doesn't look like like the same sort of quality s of level as as what you got down here um but yeah he's getting uh he's getting a fair bit of uh action on the thread yeah that's cool yeah you don't have this I don't no I don't have Labyrinth uh one day maybe one day um there was just I I was considering it for a while um and I'd really love what they're doing but there was just sort of too many other sort of shiny objects I suppose at the time that sort of pulled my attention away from it looking forward to seeing what they come out with next yeah man for sure all right well um Davey and I are taking a little bit of a break uh because we got Expo coming up uh so this is our last show before Expo but I'm sure we'll be hitting you guys up from the show floor so we're going to do another kind of like interview again any mod makers out there really anybody that wants to chat with us we'd love to to talk with you on the show floor and possibly get you into uh a little Expo episode that we're going to do uh electri playground will have a booth there I'm sure Davey will be hanging out um and uh yeah it's going to be a great show uh so looking forward to seeing you guys either uh virtually or in person at the show um daav you get it on Thursday right I get in on Thursday yeah so midday Thursday I'll be there Friday Saturday um um and yeah and you're you're there Wednesday get there Wednesday there through Sunday um so it's going to be a blast uh somebody says they'll see us there oh Rocket City the other the other the other the other uh fellow mod maker good to see you there man we'll uh hopefully do another interview with you if you're up for it I'm sure you're gonna have well yeah hopefully hopefully we'll interview Andy this time um not at the end of the show when he's completely KN poor guy I was like you do he was like okay did a great job but we'll do it at the start of the show this time so don't worry awesome so guys uh probably later in October maybe November we'll be back with episode 20 Davey thank you as always I love doing this with you we've had some great stuff and once more congrats on the new partnership excited to see how that turn thanks man thanks a lot cheers signing off all [Music]