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FNO Pinball Ep 4: Deadpool Premium Pinball Machine

Flip n Out Pinball·video·3h 9m·analyzed·Jun 5, 2019
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TL;DR

FNO streams Deadpool Premium with community chat, rules discussion, and pricing debate.

Summary

Flippin' Out Pinball streams gameplay and community chat around a Deadpool Premium machine being picked up Friday by Jason Fowler of Slap State Pinball Podcast. The episode features live gameplay, discussion of code updates, and community banter about location pinball pricing, machine leveling, and secondary market values. Notable guests include Josh from Loser Kid Pinball Podcast and Dr. John discussing licensing topics.

Key Claims

  • Deadpool code was updated to version 1.something, with stacking mechanics changes around .92-.93 that significantly improved fun factor

    high confidence · Host discusses code update timing and impact on gameplay experience during stream

  • Deadpool LE features upgraded sound package designed by Jerry Thompson at Stern; Premium should add external Polk Audio subwoofer

    high confidence · Host recommends external sub upgrade for Premium owners due to bass intensity

  • 50 cents per play in 1992 inflation-adjusted equals approximately 91 cents by today's standards

    medium confidence · Host performs inflation calculation during stream to contextualize location pricing

  • Flippin' Out Pinball has Deadpool Pro and Premium units in stock ready to ship

    high confidence · Direct question answered by Zach during stream about inventory

  • Black Knight Swords of Rage LE will be streamed next with multiple industry personalities participating

    high confidence · Host confirms upcoming stream schedule with approval from Zach/Flippin' Out

Notable Quotes

  • “Real men don't level their machines, man. This game is pretty crucial to leveling.”

    Host/Ken@ 4:46 — Playful banter about machine maintenance; machine actually plays slightly off-level during stream

  • “The code update and being able to stack that started coming out after maybe .92 or .93 changed this whole game from a fun factor perspective. It's fun to shoot.”

    Host/Ken@ 11:03 — Explains technical improvement that transformed Deadpool's playability and community reception

  • “I want to be the podcast that drives all the prices down dude and just be just be done with it”

    Host/Ken@ 23:36 — Humorous comment on podcast influence over pinball secondary market valuations

  • “Jerry Thompson, who's a sound engineer at Stern, killed it on this package. If you get this game and you don't have the LE because the LE has an upgraded sound package, do yourself a favor. Get a Polk Audio external sub and connect it.”

    Host/Ken@ 28:24 — Technical recommendation for Premium owners; credits Stern sound designer

  • “I found myself not really enjoying playing pinball as much with the streams. But, like, with everybody that comes in and checks in on flipping out with us, it's just, I mean, it sounds corny, but I feel like I'm playing pinball with my buddies. Oh, yeah. 20 or 30 of them.”

    Host/Ken@ 20:39 — Reflects on community engagement aspect of streaming format compared to solo play

Entities

Deadpool (Stern Pinball)gameFlippin' Out PinballcompanyKenpersonZach MennypersonJason FowlerpersonLoser Kid Pinball PodcastorganizationBlack Knight Swords of Rage LEgameOktoberfest (pinball)gameJerry Thompsonperson

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Flippin' Out Pinball reports inventory availability of Deadpool Pro and Premium units ready for immediate shipment

    high · Direct confirmation from Zach during stream that Pros and Premiums are 'ready to go' in stock

  • ?

    community_signal: Flippin' Out streaming format creates community hub atmosphere where 20-30 viewers participate in live chat during gameplay

    high · Host reflects on finding streaming format more enjoyable than solo play due to community participation and chat engagement

  • $

    market_signal: Location pinball pricing conversation indicates market supports $0.91-$1.00 per play for modern machines (inflation-adjusted from 1992 50-cent baseline); $1.50+ considered excessive

    medium · Community discusses inflation-adjusted pricing with $1.00 deemed acceptable, $1.50 'absurd'; preference for $0.50-$0.75 stated by some viewers

  • ?

    announcement: Black Knight Swords of Rage LE confirmed as next streaming subject with multiple industry personalities scheduled to participate

    high · Host confirms upcoming stream with Zach's approval; notes 'lots of personalities' and 'good banter' expected

  • ?

    product_strategy: Deadpool code updates around versions .92-.93 introduced stacking mechanics that significantly improved fun factor and game appeal

    high · Host states stacking changes 'changed this whole game from a fun factor perspective' and multiple references to code improvements

Transcript

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0:00
Mike's are alive, just so you know. No chorus language. No. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. The mic is hot. Yeah, that's intentional. Drop it like it's hot. It's good times.
0:30
Let's see if we can get in and get this thing rocking and rolling here tonight. Just sit right back. Yeah, man. If anybody's in chat, let's get ready.
0:45
As Steve Bottom would say about Deepfruit, get ready. Right? Well, he meant to say keep getting ready.
0:53
For a little bit. That's okay. All right. Innovation is key. Yeah, Deadpool Premium is tonight.
1:05
So that'll be kind of fun. We'll get this thing going here in a second. Dude, you've had more new games in this basement than most people had new cars in their life. Yeah, it's been a lot of back and forth, man. I will take it, though.
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product_concern: Deadpool Premium being demonstrated with noticeably off-level playfield affecting scoop feed consistency; hosts note machine was moved immediately before stream and requires 10-12 games to dial in

high · Multiple references to scoop difficulty, machine lean, and need to relevel before optimal play

  • ?

    technology_signal: Stern Deadpool LE features upgraded sound package; Premium tier recommends external subwoofer addition (Polk Audio) for bass-heavy audio design

    high · Host explicitly recommends external sub, disconnected it for stream due to bass intensity, credits Jerry Thompson at Stern for audio design

    • 1:26
    I'm trying to find the channel. and I know the channel because I plug the channel. Oh, looks like we got some commercial. Get a little live action going here. It beats these Cielos or Viagra commercials that normally follow this. What up, Albert? Hey, boy nerds. Albert? What is going on, man?
    1:52
    Let's test some audio on some vidpool here. All right. We'll wait another couple minutes, get another couple people in chat here, and then we'll start the stream. Deadpool Premium from Flippin' Out Pinball, Zach and Nicole Menny. Thank you, guys. Thank you.
    2:26
    This is my personal machine that I purchased from Flippin' Out, and it's actually getting picked up on Friday. And it's going back to St. Louis with Jason Fowler of Slap State Pinball Podcast.
    2:37
    Going out. On to bigger and better things. With a bang. With a boom. Boom's always good. Yeah.
    2:59
    Hey, we're live. Let's go. Shazam. What's up, man? Bad boy Bill, what's going on? Nothing, man. Party people in the house. Sweet.
    3:11
    We should maybe start off with playing a little Deadpool. I updated code on this just now, so this is version 1.somethingsomething. It's the latest version of Deadpool code. Are the audio levels okay, guys? Zach, Albert, if you could give us a heads up on that. I just want to make sure that we're not blasting people out. So I'm on the pinball machine, Mike. So testing one, two. And testing one, two over here on the podcast table.
    3:42
    You want to start another or a first two-player game of the night here? I'm ready if you're ready. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.
    3:51
    Hey, it's Joe Bob. What's up? What's up, man? Little Dennis from Eclectic Gamers is here. Dennis. If the pinball audio is a little too loud or too soft, we can adjust accordingly, too. We just recorded episode number 55 of the Special One Lit Pinball Podcast. Good to have that out of the way. Hey, nice ball. Hey, just getting warmed up for you. There you go.
    4:23
    Yep, Deadpool this evening. Hey, what up, Ryan, TurboGrafx? Ryan, what's up? We're going to see you Friday.
    4:34
    Friday, the day to be, man. It's going to be a good time. We may have to level this, man. I moved this pin right before the stream here, and I didn't even think about leveling. Real men don't level their machines, man. This game is pretty crucial to leveling. Real men don't level machines, right?
    4:53
    I guess not. Hey, man, you can hold it on the flipper. It's fine. Let's hope this area of my basement is level.
    5:04
    Well, you want it pitched a little bit so when you flood, it goes towards the center. Yeah, everyone that's in here, hopefully you're watching on Friday. And Friday's going to be an epic stream night, guys. Friday's going to be fun, man. I cannot wait for Friday. It won't come fast enough and it's also coming too soon because of the amount of stuff that we've got to get ready but that's okay So we've got, what, like four machines going up on Thursday and then two coming down on Friday That was a wicked save there Well that wasn't a save, that was just like crazy I didn't hit the scoop in time so I started the little Deadpool multi-ball which is what I didn't want to I wanted to stack that Albert, we are going to be... Well, dude, I don't know if we can talk about what game we're going to stream next. Yeah, we can talk about it. Zach said it was all right. Okay.
    6:04
    So we're going to wind up streaming Black Knight Swords of Rage LE. And that will be a pretty awesome stream night in all honesty, man. A lot of personalities.
    6:15
    And, dude, just some overall good banter back and forth, man, on a good machine. So looking forward to that. I'm really looking forward to that night, actually.
    6:26
    Who's a day late and a dollar short? Yeah, the Black Knights should be pretty awesome. I'm looking forward to playing that one. Ken's already lighting this up You made my three second ball look terrible No I'm just getting used to how the machine is It feels different Because I moved it Yeah and Oktoberfest is heading out to the dumpster My dumpster remains X Coming to pick it up Yeah don't say that It's right behind you actually Oktoberfest Yeah if you see it Here, I'll point to it right over here.
    7:15
    All in its glory. Great game. And, you know, definitely going to be missed. So hopefully we'll get another one in at some point.
    7:26
    You know what? Yeah, I'm curious to see that upper play field. I've heard not mixed reviews, but some thoughts. But there's some people that I've talked to that absolutely loved it. So, definitely curious to see that. Honestly, I know the soundtrack, I'm actually looking forward to playing that just for that reason. So, I know some people are like, that might be a little much, but I kind of like that, man. That really gave me a pump for the playing.
    8:03
    Yep, yep, it's going out to Chris Haper down in St. Louis. What's that? Icoba Fest, yeah. Is that confirmed? Is that where it's going to go? Yeah, Zach just confirmed it.
    8:20
    Yeah, so Jabberidge says we have to destroy the machine with a sledgehammer when we're done testing it. At that point, I would turn it into something else if that had to happen.
    8:31
    All right. Let's see if we can catch up on Ken here. You guys are going to have to remind me who some of you guys are because I don't recognize the names in chat, but I don't recognize the people behind the name. So if you're comfortable sharing, that would be pretty awesome. And then let everybody else in chat know who we're talking to. But if you're trying to fly by night of anonymity, that's fine too, man.
    8:53
    Having a couple cocktails tonight, at least I am. Bill's drinking. What are you drinking, Bill? I was drinking Starbucks. Starbucks and Fanta's.
    9:02
    Very nice. I was up about 3.50 actually this morning. So Bill doesn't want to fall asleep under the machines. So somebody else has already coined that. What's up, Josh?
    9:15
    Josh from Loser Kid Pinball Podcast is here. Orbiter Albert from Pinball Nerd Podcast is claiming himself as Zach Many. It's always a funny joke there, Albert.
    9:28
    We've stalked many people on Facebook. I call it a... I like to call that admiring from afar. Is that what it's called? Yeah, absolutely, dude. You put on your police song, I'll Be Watching You, and while you're doing some Facebook stalking, it's very prolific there.
    9:52
    State Attorney. For Exhibit B, Pinball Stream, Kenna Bill's Flippin' Up Pinball Podcast, talking about Facebook stalking while listening to the police. What is known as the stalker anthem. I'll Be Watching You.
    10:09
    Ah, so Jobberidge is claiming to be Gary Stern. Oh, nice. It's always good to have Gary in chat. Yeah, the katana shot is cool. I will teach you humans that we knew to be superior and those that live in fear. Loser Cal, Albert, I'm not sure what you mean by that. You mean like we've got to get some more guests on or what?
    10:47
    More guests, huh? All right. Yeah, you're throwing down, dude. What's that? Yeah, you're doing all right. I'm just kidding. Yeah, this is definitely a good game, man. This is a great game. The code update and being able to stack that started coming out after maybe .92 or .93 changed this whole game from a fun factor perspective. It's fun to shoot.
    11:15
    Some of the shots require precision for them to be executed properly, but the code is so fun, man. I love the coat on this. Ah, that was horrible.
    11:26
    Sorry, John. Sorry, Albert. Dude, I'm lack of sleep, man. So if I get names wrong, just bear with me. We'll get them worked out. So sorry about that.
    11:39
    Albert? Yeah, dude. Lack of sleep. Not a good thing. Sorry, sorry. We'll make up for it with our lack of playing. yeah yeah yeah alright so let's go through the roll call here flipping out pinball Zach Chuck Wirt what's up man yo yo this game's badass I actually kind of suck at it but I love it yeah me too man I don't mind sucking at it because it's like a fun sucking it's not like a frustrating sucking it's good times oh there's definitely games that are a lot more brutal than this Jobber says he doesn't know why this game didn't win for Twippy Art.
    12:20
    Yeah, Jeremy did a great job on the art package. Pinball Nerds Podcast is Albert, Orbital Albert. He's here.
    12:32
    My mic is not on. Pins Rule says my mic is not on. Is it not on? All right. Pins Rule, your volume is not on.
    12:49
    But thanks for coming in, man. That's good times to see you here. A little fun sucking. It's fun to suck. All the stuff you can expect to hear in chat.
    12:58
    Pins rule can only hear the game. That's interesting. Maybe try to refresh there, buddy. I think we're doing okay with the audio live.
    13:10
    Chuck says the mics are on. Oh, man, dude. I got lucky on that one. Yeah, so, Albert, are you, like, Are you, like, getting away from the orbital aspect of Albert or what? I thought that I heard a podcast of yours once where you said you were putting the name to rest, and then all of a sudden I remember hearing you talking more as Orbital Albert, so it's kind of hard for me to understand what's happening here.
    13:39
    I don't know. You know what? I don't know how you would only hear the game because we have two mics. We don't have a direct audio feed to the game. So any audio you're hearing from the pin is coming through our mics. So unless there's some weird booty thing going on where we've become vampires of voice and can't hear us, that's kind of crazy. But I'm not really doing a lot of talking on the mic, so that could be part of it. That could be, Bill. You're not really adding to the chat. It's hard when you're playing, man. You're not reading these screens, right? Yeah, my contributions are a little light as I'm trying to suck less.
    14:14
    Oh, I understand. Zach, do you have Deadpools available for shipping or like pros or premiums? This is a premium.
    14:29
    Or is that something that like you order through Stern? Do you have stock in these? We had a few people reaching out about Oktoberfest, which was pretty fun.
    14:41
    Pros and premiums ready to go. All right, cool. Dude, that seems like you've got everything in stock. I've got pin golf on this. I forgot. Oh, snap. Don't sneeze on the left side. No, no, no. That would be bad. All right. Good ball, man. Yeah, I did a little catching up. I like it.
    15:02
    Wasn't hard from 500,000, though. Dude, part of the reason why I want this game one day, dude, is just because of the unicorn. I could see my daughter. Unicorn! Come on.
    15:13
    You guys are like almost two house balls. This game isn't that good, guys. It sucks a little bit. You mean you or the game? Yeah, me playing the game. It's not a good combination.
    15:29
    Nice. We'll start the dollar game soon. Hey, we still got Steve Beatty's money from two weeks ago. Yeah, so I came down here. There's dollars on the table. That was from dollar games. we had on Oktoberfest, I think. It was. Unreal. For the left-handed drinking games. Hey, Tim's Rule can hear us. We're back. Good to have you back, bud.
    15:51
    Thank you. Yes, good to have Dennis from Eclectic Gamers Podcast here. So, thanks for coming in, man.
    16:03
    Oh, here comes SW Poppinhead. I love it. And I think I'm totally mispronouncing anything. Is it Southwest Pennsylvania Pinhead? That would make more sense to me than Swapin' Pinhead.
    16:27
    That's quite a hit for me, though. I'm trying to figure it out myself. Need to do the next spooky update tonight. Oh, man! Dr. John, I didn't realize it's you, buddy. Dr. John, we had an unbelievable discussion around your segment today. So that will air tomorrow on Special Winlet Pinball Podcast.
    16:46
    And it's a lot about licensing, especially as it pertains to not only Spooky, but in general. We loved it. So Dr. John, who pins rules, he is the correspondent on Special Winlet. So it's awesome. And this game is being illuminated by Penn Stadium. By the ever so popular. Penn Stadiums. Yeah, Dr. John, that was a great segment you did, man. Thanks again, man. That was awesome. It really fueled some conversation for about 10 or 15 minutes. It was a while, man. I don't know how much that's going to make the cut, but it was definitely good.
    17:21
    Oh, not us making the cut. Not him. His segment was perfect. No, no. With our banter back and forth on the topic. Sorry guys, just getting caught up here so bear with me So this machine is leaning to the left slightly I believe No man, I like the TV shows man
    17:54
    Play field multiplier Honestly, just send us an audio clip on what you want to cover and send it to Special Unlit Pinball Podcast. Well, just contact us about what you want to cover. Yeah, contact Ken or myself, and, yeah, we'll see where it takes us.
    18:13
    Yeah, it's definitely a good game, man. The hardest part about having just a bit less side is what Zach is saying. Yeah, a little bit. I sense a slight lean in the fourth here. Dude, I'm doing good on it, so I'm all about this gangster lane tonight, man. It's giving me an advantage.
    18:32
    Yeah, no, it's definitely a great game, man. The hardest part is there's been so many great games that came out lately, and you can't have them all. And if you do, you hit that $400 million lottery that's tonight. So hopefully everybody got their tickets.
    18:53
    Pinball Nerds wants to ask, can I cover Suncoast only? Yeah, well, that's what you would do. You would pick a manufacturer, right? And then you would just cover that manufacturer every single week. You would let us know what's going on in the news. And then it's not easy, but, I mean, if you're following a company, it's perfect. It works out well for us because we don't have time to put as much time into every company. So I just think it makes sense to dedicate a 60- to 90-second clip every single week of somebody that's covering a manufacturer, and then we discuss it. I mean, we'll cover our own news also, right? Yeah, especially when big stuff hits. But, I mean, we're not going to catch every little thing, so it's fun to do it. New games come out. That's where, you know, I mean, the smaller stuff that might be prevalent, that we might miss is definitely where that's beneficial to have correspondents that can keep up to date with that because there's just so much. there's so many manufacturers now it's hard to keep up up to speed with that yeah now will suncast coast have enough news every single week no most likely not but when anything does happen it can be discussed so if you're going to cover a company that's new you might not be expected to be able to have content every single week that being said if there's like a pin site thread or something and and people are posting even if someone's if there's a hot topic or surrounding a company it doesn't have to be news but it's got to you know No, whatever prevalence of the company. You know what I mean?
    20:21
    So we'll see. Yeah, Dr. John's killing it. I love having Ryan Claytor aboard too, man. He's pretty polished. Both these guys are polished guys, so.
    20:31
    It's fun. I'm loving the streaming, man. When we started streaming on special when lit, it was fun, but it's like I found myself not really enjoying playing pinball as much with the streams. But, like, with everybody that comes in and checks in on flipping out with us, it's just, I mean, it sounds corny, but I feel like I'm playing pinball with my buddies. Oh, yeah. 20 or 30 of them, so I do dig it.
    20:57
    Fulgren is in the house. What's up, Dave? Dave! Dude, man, hopefully your show went good today, man, at work.
    21:14
    Yeah, but, all right, so best artwork ever, not, but still rad art. Yeah, but, dude, I mean, the artwork on something is, you know, a big part of that is just subjective.
    21:26
    Dude, I mean, this game got murdered when it first came out because everybody was like, it's too red. And, dude, when you see it in person, I don't think it is. I think everybody likes to complain about stuff.
    21:36
    Awesome, Dave. Are you complaining about people complaining? Yeah. Sounds about right. What's up, Maniacs? What's up with your Maniacs, Dave? Your partners in crime out there in the booms.
    21:58
    They said you had a good show last week. You had 75 people that registered, so that's pretty awesome. Nice.
    22:11
    Well, that was a little Steve beating you up. Yeah, this game's about to do that. Don't break the dead pool before Jason picks it up Friday. Hey, I'm just breaking it in. Slightly nudging. Just breaking it in.
    22:28
    This game is not treating me well tonight so far. And I'm having a hard time hitting the scoop. Yeah, that's a little brutal on that. It's slightly off to me because, again, I moved the machine, and it just seems out of sorts. Hey, you just saved that one nice. It's going to take me about 10 or 12 games to get dialed in, and that will be right about time we go to after hours. So anybody that's sticking around tonight, after the stream, we are going to be hosting after hours where the gameplay settles down and the conversation heats up. Kerry Hardy jumped in here, too. What's up, Kerry? Finally got what he's on a location near me, so I'm getting better at it. The boom button is already not working. Well, it's not. It's location pinball, man. Dude, the game will be on three legs by next week anyway. You know, people don't know how to trade stuff.
    23:18
    We'll get a little battle going here. And I saw your post about prices on pinball machines. I thought that was kind of entertaining, man, to see what some of that's going on.
    23:31
    You know, it's funny. Like, some podcasts get credit for driving up the market on certain machines. I want to be the podcast that drives all the prices down dude and just be done with it I agree I mean I think Cactus Canyon is terrible no dude no pin rules we got nothing crazy for scoring going on right now just getting warmed up because the game is a little off level and I'm kind of messing with Ken saying real men don't level their machines.
    24:09
    We're going to play location pinball today is what we're doing. So just to talk about the machine for a quick second, I think one of the most satisfying shots in the game when you hit it, I mean, so there's two, right? And the first one is feeding the left ramp by coming through here, coming up and around for the katana sword ramp shot. The second one is your play field multiplier, which is this side target, which is right on Wolverine's left foot, and you're hitting that from the left flipper, it ricochets, comes up the ramp, and katana. Every time you hit that, it increases the playfield multiplier two times, three times, four times, five times. The last time I streamed Deadpool, because, again, I'm not a crazy, ridiculous, competitive pinball player, but I did challenge myself, and I said, let's see how far we can get the multiplier up. Yeah. And I was able to, that game, get it to the five-time multipliers. And then that's when you can really start blowing up the game because if you stack with a multi-ball or you're in any type of mode, if you're not in pinball purgatory where, you know, you're not scoring anywhere, it's not going to be advantageous. But, again, every time you increase that play field multiplier, you're on a timer, right? So you've got to keep hitting the multiplier to increase the multiplier and keep it from timing out and taking you back down to zero. I think the other way that you can increase the play field multiplier permanently would be when you collect 100 weapons. I know it goes to a permanent two-times playfield multiplier. And weapons, collecting those throughout the game will reward you with points by collecting them at the scoop. So we're just going to keep playing. Again, we're not going to get deep into the rules. And again, we're not going to blow the game up for the most part. But I think it's fun to get back on Deadpool before it ultimately leaves. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
    25:57
    Keep it going. So, honestly, dude, about a buck a game is fine for me. You know, that's enough to see if I like the game or not, if I'd actually want to put it in my personal collection.
    26:10
    There was actually a barbershop down in the south side of Chicago. I know they had a Ghostbusters because a co-worker was like, dude, have you seen the Ghostbusters machine? I'm like, yeah. And he's like, dude, I love that game. You know, he goes, I can only play a few games because it's two bucks a play. So, I mean, the two bucks a play out here is definitely a little more common than I'd like it to be. But, you know, it was a Ghostbusters pro. I mean, it wasn't, you know, an LE or something crazy where they've got to make back the money. But, you know, it is kind of crazy. But, I mean, they do got to put the...
    26:47
    Our boom button's working on here. All right. Just to get cut off on chat here, carry your thoughts on that. What's the max price you would pay for a location pin like a Deadpool? Free ball game. Yeah, I don't know. You know what? We don't play a lot of location pinball. If you're getting over 50 cents a ball or a game, I'm not digging it. You know? If something's brand new, a dollar for a play? Really?
    27:09
    A buck for? Yes, a dollar. But even still, if you're playing a game, is a dollar for three minutes? I mean, if you're not having a good game. I don't know. It just kind of sucks. Dude, there's a, so. I'd like five plays for three dollars. That would be pretty nice. Yeah, but dude, about ten minutes away from here, there's a bowling alley with, World Cup soccer. And they got a bill acceptor because it's a bucket game. And it is the absolute pinnacle of a routed beat-to-snock game. Rubbers are cracked, flippers half-work, you know, just terrible.
    27:44
    The guy that's blocking the goalie barely works. You know, they want a bucket game for that. So for a brand new game that's working right, to be able to see if I want to buy a game like that, or, you know, it's not a game for me because we haven't had access to one, I don't mind a buck a game.
    28:01
    That's true. If it's properly maintained. And just so everybody knows, Ken's First Ball is sponsored by Flippin' Out Pinball.
    28:19
    We're back. All right, let's go. I love the audio on this. Jerry Thompson, who's a sound engineer at Stern, killed it on this package. If you get this game and you don't have the LE because the LE has an upgraded sound package, do yourself a favor. Get a Polk Audio external sub and connect it. I had to disconnect the sub for the stream because the bass is so crazy in this game that it would have been a rough listen, I think. But in person, it's unbelievable. So consider it. Consider it.
    28:54
    so you have to bear with me guys because we didn't switch it back over to chat so we are gonna wing it here oh yeah well here that's what's right here here watch this flipper catch this sucker can multitask here oh oh oh pinball skills right there no you're fine everybody else might be pissed at you but I still on them, beloved. No, we're good, man.
    29:24
    Alright, sorry. Alright, so I've got to catch up on reading this. My bad. Yeah, $1.50 is kind of outrageous, in all honesty.
    29:32
    You know, I mean, $1.00, okay, but $1.50, that's kind of absurd. Yeah, okay, it makes sense with buying tokens in bulk, you get a better price per game. Yeah, three for two I don't think is too bad.
    29:55
    This scoop hates me tonight. I'm going to hit this scoop dead bang. It looks like there's eyes peeking out of there. No joke. It's like the wells. That was freaky. All right. Yeah, for ten bucks all you can play, that's a feel, man. That's a no-brainer. Yes, Kerry, he does cradle very well. Thank you, Kerry. One thing I like about Kerry is he's always first to tell me how well I'm doing in my pinball skills. All right, so you got my... curiosity peak there, Kerry. So, back in the day, in the 90s, it was 50 cents a play, right? So, 50 cents.
    30:31
    We're going to Google this. Are we doing, like, inflation here? Inflation? Inflation calculator, yeah. So, let's see what, you know, adjust for inflation and see what it is. you know, I don't think that is too crazy of a trade in all honesty. But I want Ken to read that. I don't want to spoil it. So hold that thought. All right.
    31:01
    Yeah, cradle the balls. Thanks, Kerry. Do you think trading a WWE LE for Ghostbusters Pro is crazy? Hey, nothing is crazy now for pinball, because you can ask over $10,000 for a Gilligan's Island. You can ask $4,000. You can ask $2,000 plus for a Mike D mod.
    31:30
    Nothing is crazy. I think the thing is, like, when you look at the values, a WWE LE and a Ghostbusters Pro is probably similar in value. So I would say whatever is, what do you think? I mean, if you like WWE LE, I mean, it makes sense, right? Yeah, then you would keep it. But, you know, I don't know. See, that's one game that really didn't pull me in.
    31:55
    Yeah, I can't say that I would keep that. I'd rather deal with some of the shortcomings of Ghostbusters because I think overall it's just a more entertaining game. Did we say hi to Chris Haper, who's in slap underscore save underscore? Chris. What's up, Chris? Good ball, Scopernova. What's up? Nice bed bowl. What's up, guys? How are you, Lee?
    32:17
    Good to have you in. Lee Doves. All right, Kerry. So I did the inflation calculator on 50 cents for 1992, and by today's standards it would be 91 cents per play. So, dude, I mean, for a dollar a play, that's equivalent to what we were paying as kids. So that I'm okay with.
    32:38
    This scoop is killing me. All right. Yeah, I agree with you, Zach, dude. I mean, when you're talking like a Wizard of Oz or, you know, some of the rare, the Stern LEs, you know, two bucks a game on those because of what kind of devaluation the game's going to go through, I don't think that's too outrageous to ask. Thanks, Albert.
    33:06
    I'm going to go jump off a cliff real quick. Ken's going to take over straight. Tell your wife I'll take care of the pins.
    33:15
    Hey, just tell her you're going to pay me what I bought them all for. Give her $500 and carry them out quick. It's a running joke, right? When I die, I hope my wife does not sell my pins for the price I told her I bought them for. Unless she sells them to your pinball homies.
    33:32
    Unless it's in Aurora, Illinois, and it's a Gilligan's Island. Yeah. I'm going to let the Gilligan's Island go.
    33:38
    Dude, this game is starting to break the shot. Oh, yeah. We're just breaking in, man. This is like game three. We're good.
    33:47
    These are very low scores for Deadpool. Yeah, we don't want to... Only the best in pinball streaming. Now, if you noticed, last week when we streamed Oktoberfest, we saved the best game for last. Yeah. All right. So let's actually play. All right. Now we're really going to play, guys. All right. We're done. We're done in the amateur hour.
    34:21
    Lady Purple, hello, hello. Welcome to chat. Thanks to everybody for coming in chat. This is pretty fun times. I'm Ken, he's Bill from the Special Wind Lake Pinball Podcast. We're streaming all the new games from Flippin' Out Pinball. Thanks to Zach and Nicole for sending the games. Come into our studios where we keep a live banter going while we play the games. At the end of the game play, we start an after hours, which is a no holds barred chat session. That's always fun.
    34:57
    It's good to see the conversation rolling here, guys. I dig it. When keeping it real goes wrong, after hours. I dig it.
    35:05
    Make sure you grab your favorite refreshments and relax. Lady Purple says thank you. Was looking for something to watch and I found you guys. I want to say thanks and I'm sorry, but it's good to have you over. Absolutely. Hopefully you enjoy the show, minus what I just did there. Yes, sorry it's low tonight, but the morale is high, so that's good.
    35:29
    Dr. Johnson, it's nice to hear that you can give an apology last episode. So, yeah, you know what? Yeah, I thought it was nice of him to kind of clear the air. I wasn't sure where he was going with some of his comments. And, you know, I think it's one of those situations where, you know, act like a gentleman and figure it out. So it was no big deal. But, yeah, I thought it was commendable for him to issue a formal statement, so to speak. Not that he really needed to because we were just talking. Yeah, no, I think that was nice of him to say that. And, you know, I mean, he acknowledged it, but all is well on that front, I think.
    36:15
    Zach said he wants to tap into Bill's subconscious during after-hours chat. All right. Yeah, we'll do a live Timbal subconscious. I like that. That's going to get deep, man. Either it's going to get deep or it's going to be all Penn Stadium. I don't know. It got pretty deep a time before, so it was pretty fun. Well, it got pretty deep in the things that shouldn't have been deep.
    36:36
    Toronto 861, what up, man? Yeah, this Deadpool is playing a little rough, but we didn't level it. It's playing a little bit rough here. Here, you know what? I kind of like that because it's kind of like playing location pinball where something's all jacked up, you know. Kind of makes you a better player. Yeah, Kerry, you know what? Five dollars for 20 plays, you can't go wrong there. But, yeah, dude, for a bucket game, that's fine.
    37:07
    Well, thanks, Lady Purple. Well, yeah, you know, it is fun. You know what? I think the allure of how we try and do this is keep the chat going with a lot of great content and as well as showing the gameplay and, you know, trying to light it up or show good examples of what not to do on this game. Well, you know what it is tonight? It's the scoop. There we go. Thank you. But, you know, you wait too long to hit that scoop for the final shot, and you lose a lot of your value. So it just kind of, you're almost, at one point, you can let it time out, It doesn't even make any difference.
    37:40
    Well, Crono, you can contact Zach at Flippin' Out Pinball at 847-778-4876, man, and I'm sure he'll be happy to take care of you.
    37:56
    Or Chris at Kingpin. Kind of odd there, but okay. I'll roll with it. Chris at Kingpin and Zach are flipping out our buddies oh yeah but there's always competitive rivalry there in a good sense I'm sure friendly competitive rivalry Zach's tenacious he'll take anybody down when it gets in his way he ain't playing we only align ourselves with the best he'll go full Dr. Phil on you see why do you have to bring that up I didn't say on you I said he'll go see Dr. Phil. It was a conversation with me. Well, hey, Bill. Why don't you go ahead and conjure me up? It was just a good topic of discussion. Wow. What do you think of here in the chat? Like, everybody's just kind of general comments.
    38:52
    So, Kerry, the grand chance score on this machine is stock because I just updated the code tonight. Prior to that, it was 1.6, 1.7 billion, I think, before we did that. I can normally play this machine all right. But again, I just moved it.
    39:13
    And that's going to be my excuse from now on. If I'm having a bad... I just moved the machine. I don't know what's going on.
    39:20
    So we'll see. this machine really, it's really sensitive to being set up properly as far as leveling and your pitch if you want to be able to hit all these shots with any regularity.
    39:42
    You know what, honestly, dude, I've had such a long day because I had to actually work downtown today in the city, so it was an hour and like a half to get home. It was great because this morning was 39 minutes to get down there. Of course, you know, speed limits did not apply or traffic lanes, But, yeah, honestly, it's just a long day downtown and then doing this. But definitely glad to be here.
    40:03
    And, you know what, honestly, guys, one of the questions that I had for you guys tonight that I was curious about is how is everybody liking the after-hour show?
    40:12
    Well, Bill, thanks for asking. I do enjoy it. I'm glad you enjoy it. Oh, my goodness, man. All right. A lot of people don't know how to level a game.
    40:32
    Dude, you're just lighting me up today. It's not lighting up. I mean, that's not a good score. Dude, I'm going to need like a two-liter of Coke and a bottle of Coke. Is there a tilt bobber in the game? Of course there's a tilt bobber in the game. Absolutely not. Now, is it said a little generously? Perhaps. It's absolutely in there. It's, you know where it's at? It's in the coin bucket.
    40:56
    Hey, man, you know what? I saw a good trick today, and you know what? I feel bad because I can't give the person complete credit. What's that? I posted it. Is that the ear? The ear plug holding it in place? Dude, that was awesome.
    41:10
    Trivia. Dr. John wants to know, what was the first tilt-bob call? and chrono 861 says this or that which is straight down the middle segment lord of the rings in iron maiden premium or wonka collector edition what was the question well there's two questions there's a trivia question by pins rule dr john our special correspondent wants to know if anybody knows what the first tilt bob was called and whoever gets it right we're going to send you the tilt bob from deadpool because we're We're not using it tonight.
    41:45
    Let's ship it out. Get it out of here. Yeah, I mean, we just got to open the coin door and yank it out of the box. No problem there. Dennis from Eclectic Gamers. Dennis Creasle says, Duel Pigeon.
    41:58
    Chris Haper says he would take the Wonka CD over the Lord of the Rings and the Iron Maiden Premium. I don't know, man. That's a Lord of the Rings. Is that combining both of them? Or is it Lord of the Rings? Or. Or Iron Maiden Premium for a Wonka CE.
    42:16
    Or is it, which one would you just want in general? Lord of the Rings and Iron Maiden Premium for a Wonka CE. Dude, I'm going Wonka on that. I'm totally confused on, I just confused myself.
    42:28
    You know what, man? I'd still have to go Wonka. I wouldn't care if you got both. I mean, dollar-wise, it doesn't make sense. You know, two pins versus the one. But I like Wonka a lot more. Damn Bill, what's going on here? You're playing for longer than I forgot what I was supposed to be doing here Yeah, it's alright It's alright And by that I mean losing Zach says he'd probably take the Wonka L.E. plus cash over the others Hey, it's Joe Bob says I'd take the Wonka Lord of the Rings was fun for a while, but it feels more like a chore to play It's hard and it's tough because as much of a chore Lord of the Rings is you're probably not going to go out and conquer that game anytime soon.
    43:22
    Hey, we will shake this machine as much as we can. We want to show the sturdiness and the rigidity of a stern pinball machine by nudging the absolute hell out of it until it breaks. And it hasn't broken.
    43:36
    And in all fairness We did have Steve Beattie test and approve this machine. Right. It made it through Steve. Every machine is a crash test dummy to Steve's casual pinball playing.
    43:49
    All right, guys. Sorry. I just got to catch up here. Bear with me here. Let's start some disco loops, man. Because that's always a fun mode. Yeah, I think the Wonka is just a fabulous game.
    44:05
    Wow, I had a longer ball than Ken. I'm just starting to get slightly upset at the death hole. You know what, Carrie, man? From when I started shaking the machine, dude, that is literally out of character.
    44:17
    Because, dude, because I don't want to see a cabinet split, man. Because I built a few of the cabinets in my game room. You know, people go to shake them. It's like, dude, I want to shake them and get them down. Their cabinets don't split? No. No, but Bill Webb's cabinets can.
    44:36
    I'm sensing a good game here, guys. Sensing a good game. Usually takes me a couple of... Well, let's be honest. Coors Light is essentially like Aquafina or Distani. It's not even really beer. I'm hydrating myself, if anything else.
    44:59
    Eric Minion, where's my vodka? Zach wants to know. So, Toronto 861 says that he's just going to buy a Wonka standard and put it in between two other games. Viable option, actually, man. If you don't care about the locking mech in the back, the Wonka Vader, I mean, the SE is a lot of pins. It really, really is.
    45:23
    All right. Time to blow up Deadpool. Are we ready? All right, let's do this, man. I will treat the machine gently. Kenny's the chug.
    45:52
    I don't know, man. I think I might have to go with Quicksilver on that deal there, Chris. You know what, though, here. Batman, though, I think that's a great game, too, though. That's definitely an iconic man, and there's a lot to do in there.
    46:23
    Oh, come on, Zach, man. Dude, that's all about taking the dirty pen and making it new again. That's a good time to dump nothing but money into something. Yeah, I don't... What was that? I'm sorry? I caught something out of my personal vision there. Oh, I scratched my ear. Oh. Really, I was going to slap you. I didn't know what was going on. You know, but you turned around, so I had to stop midstream. That's all right.
    46:54
    See, that's a quick final shot. No, no, no. Let's see what we can do here. Who wins? key is to get to mech suit multiballs is my favorite multiball of the whole game and I love the Jerry Thompson call out mech suit multiball Jerry did a game Yeah I love what he did with Deadpool
    47:27
    Yeah. Just got a smoking deal. Class of 1812, Gilligan's Island, and Mike D. Mott for a bargain price of $18,500. I mean, it's like you got 1812 for free.
    47:44
    What's up, I Amoto Arcade? Hey, what's up, Amoto? Good to have you back. You know what? Yes, I still like shopping the pins out, man. That's a good time.
    47:59
    Ken is listening when I recite what you guys are typing, which I'm trying to do when it makes more sense.
    48:09
    Hey, a new pinball for $50 is a darn good deal. Well, the way the market trends are going, the secondary market buying new pinballs, physical balls for $50 is a good deal. Yeah, no kidding. But don't worry, they were used in the Gilligan's Island.
    48:30
    Man, that's terrible. Yeah, you know what? Here, if it's a game I like, though, I would definitely, no problem doing it up. If it's another game that's like, I'm not sure if I like it, then yeah, dude, just buy a clean example and sell a clean example.
    48:49
    Nice. Nice on the project, Pinball. May the odds be ever in your favor. Pinball is good forever. Hey, was that a knocker? No.
    49:04
    Absolutely, man. She does definitely provide a lot of content. Hey, so that's new animations for this code update from the last game that we were playing, or last code, which was .99 maybe?
    49:19
    All right, let's go. Where do we have some dessert going here? You know what's crazy about this, man, thinking about this? This game is, what, nine months old? and Tanya Klay is still updating and throwing new stuff in, man.
    49:33
    Does that make sense? Yeah, I really like that he's actually still doing that. But the game is, I mean, if the game never received another code update, it's perfect. Well, I mean, it's awesome as it is right now. You would still feel that it's complete.
    49:50
    No, everyone, you know what, man? Everyone gets their games at different points. Are you kidding me, man? What a waste of a hockey ball. It is a little harder on this game, but you just jumped into chat.
    50:06
    So, in all honesty, we can move the game from one side of the basement to the other. So we can stream it.
    50:14
    So it's not as level as it could be. This might not be the family-friendly stream that we normally provide. I can't envision, because Deadpool's aggravating me. Well, and I keep dragging with Ken saying we're just playing location pinball tonight. And Mystique is going to kill me here. There we go. Pop him.
    50:33
    Is that you, Mystique? All right, so Kerry Hardy asked, and it is a hard shot to make even on a level, though. What's that? The multi-ball, to get it up the lock. Oh, the multiplier shot. To lock it up. Yeah, well, like I said, I mean, I got the play-fill multiplier to five times. last time I streamed this game, and I was just trying to hit the multiplier shot. When I get out of this mode here, I will, at some point tonight, I'll just try to go for that multiplier shot and see how it goes. Once you kind of know how your personal machine is going to play, it's a lot easier to hit that shot. But if you step up to a machine cold and you don't know how it's set up, I mean, it's literally, it's like down to the micro millimeters on where you want to hit that shot. And sometimes you'll just get some flop, you play, and it'll hit that ramp and you get credit for it. But it's very satisfying when you actually do hit it. It's good. I like it.
    51:34
    Alright. Did I miss anything? Dude, you are lighting me up here, man. That's ball one. I said it's time to get serious. Enough of this screwing around here, man.
    51:44
    It's Deadpool, and it's a Tuesday night. We should be getting crazy on Tuesdays. Right? Tuesday? Absolutely. Right. Thanks again, everybody for coming in the chat. Yeah, thank you, everybody. And look forward to the After Hours banter. Eclectic Gamers, Dennis says, I'm concerned about this borderline obsession with Gilligan's Island. Some sort of intervention may be necessary. I agree. I need to be stepped away or taken away from Gilligan's Island. Alright, but if you listen to the podcast, you'll be introduced to a new segment tomorrow, I think. We decided to keep it, but I think it's quite the quite a Winner in all honesty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I agree.
    52:25
    Dave says, best Deadpool that he played was the one at Stern Expo party. Every shot was butter. And this shot is every shot is butter. When I had it on the other end of the studio, where I had it all leveled out perfectly, you're going to take a little time to get it settled in. But once you do, it's good. Moto says, it's so tight. It is. It can be tight up there on that bonus multiplayer shot. But it's so fulfilling when you hit it. And Juggernaut's the biggest pain in the ass for me. Because you've got to go east and west on those drop targets to keep going in that mode, and it gets dangerous over there.
    53:00
    All right, let's see. Yeah, right, don't pick Juggernaut without a team-up. I agree 100%. Or unless you're going to stack him with, like, the little Deadpool multiball, it's kind of fun to be able to knock him out quicker that way.
    53:14
    Zach's looking to pick a fight with a cup eye. Granted, if I can slide the game around six inches like this machine, I'm pretty sure I could rack up 100. That's not six inches. First of all, the machine's a little bit lighter.
    53:27
    That was a little harsh. I'm coming with it. That was pretty bad timing there. I might have shifted it a little. Just a bit. Oh, gosh. Are the cameras still in? Like everything's crooked.
    53:43
    Hey, man, you said come with my A game. I'm trying, man. I'm trying. So anyhow. Moda likes the Deadpool animations. She says they're her all-time favorite.
    54:02
    I think they're cool. They're not my all-time favorite, but they absolutely are fitting with the pinball machine. I think that overall they did a good job with this game. I mean, the game is a game. And we talk about this all the time. sometimes you have to look past an art package and sometimes you have to look past the theme and sometimes you have to look past the shot that's in the layout. Sometimes you have to look past a little bit of what the rule set is. But if a pinball machine offers you a fun playing experience as a whole, that was nice. Nice lead-up. Two balls, one drink. Oh, that's good. That's good.
    54:37
    So Emoto likes the fighting game shots animations like the straight fires? Yeah. Alright, let's see what we got going on here.
    54:52
    Alright, sorry guys, just catching up. Yeah, I wouldn't want to own a Popeye or remove it. I love that pool. starting to get my scoop shot down a little bit finish off mystique and let's try to stack something with uh juggernaut see if we can't get to the little uh mini wizard mode yeah you know the the um the mini deadpool or the The little Deadpool mode is kind of cool for kids. For kids?
    55:33
    I'm not trying to talk smack, dude. I'm throwing a shout-out to your daughter. It's a nice three-and-a-half who can get the Deadpool multiball. I love that you said it like that. That's a great mode for kids. I like that you said it's an accessible multiball, right? And that's where I think you were going with that. Yeah. I don't mean to put words in your mouth. No, I'm sure you did, but that's okay. Because I never do that on the podcast or on the streams. I never cut you off, Bill. No, no, it's fine. If it's one thing I do, I don't cut you out. No, no, no. But you know what, though? Here. I think for any game to be great for people that don't play pinball, it's got to have an easily accessible multiball. You know, because when somebody that doesn't play pinball gets multiball, suddenly they think they've beat the game and life is glorious and, you know, I don't need to play it anymore. I've got multiball already on that.
    56:20
    Scott says, I started a new rating system, a kid rating system. That's actually not a bad idea. in all honesty. Or is that a horrible idea? No, dude. You know what, man? I think it's a great thing. Here, I saw a Shrek list every day for five grand and I was like, you know,
    56:37
    part of me was like, that'd be kind of cool to have for my daughter. And then when she's not around throw the Family Guy sound rounds in it. If he spells that, he's halfway to Gilligan's Island. He does. He is halfway to a Gilligan's. So he's only an hour and a half into his tour. But that's okay. This is true.
    56:56
    You know what? Yeah, that's another one that's on my list is the Guardians of the Galaxy. I wouldn't mind having either. That's one I haven't had yet.
    57:09
    Well, that's good. You know what, Zach? Dude, I'm not at that point yet. Well, I haven't gone to the end of buying stuff that's more family. I have just bought stuff that I wanted to enjoy.
    57:30
    That said, there are some titles that I would probably be more entertained with. I'd still like to get an Elvira, but that's kind of... Elvira? Elvira at some point, yeah. What did that one turn into? Elvira and the Party Monsters, the original.
    57:51
    There's some crazy things going on in the studio today. The ACDC Lucy was a little risque. Dennis was asking what unfriendly kid games are there. Oh, so the Lucy package is one of my favorites, but she's in a little bit of a compromising pose that can be easily covered up by putting that pin in a row. It doesn't bother me, but so this is my whole thing with pinball machines and as I'm trying to... Is it my turn? Yeah. Yeah, I did not get a ball save on that. That was just choice. All right. With all seriousness, there's something not right down here today. Like, because I saw... I'll tell you later. I thought I saw something earlier that concerned me.
    58:37
    Like, that light just turned itself on and we haven't been up or down on that stairs, right? No. And that's on a slider. And I purposely keep these overhead lights off because we're streaming, right? And I don't play it. Yeah, the slider was up and that light was on, and my basement door is locked so that I don't get any of the munchkins down here. So that was a little bit strange. So your slider's broken or you're haunted, one or the other? Well, I mean, this could turn into like a Blair Witch pinball stream.
    59:04
    So if you guys see some apparitions floating in the background, let us know. If you see orbs, please go ahead and clip them so that we can see what's going on. Yeah. All right. Are you a good ghost or a bad ghost? Let's not open it up to the communication here. Hey, man. Dude, grab your Ouija board, man. Let's make this sucker real. I would not mess around with Ouija boards.
    59:29
    That's a story for after hours. Oh, my gosh. Anybody that wants to hear the Ouija board story. And I'll give you a preview. I had a girlfriend that got a Ouija board back when I was in college.
    59:41
    And I am not a Ouija board guy. It's just not for me. And the things that I saw, that I thought I saw, do not get a Ouija board. It's not good. Juggernaut. All right, so we've got some team-ups with Juggernaut. If we can get Juggernaut down here, we'll be in pretty good shape. You know what? All right, so I'm reading your post about playing the House of, where was the title? The House of Dead. All right. And, you know, when I was like seven or eight, that was the first time I watched Die Hard with my dad. There was no, you know, this is too graphic. This is too, you know, holy cow, do you remember watching RoboCop? At least when I was growing up, I watched RoboCop. It was like pretty bad, man. Well, yeah, but, dude, there was no sensitivity training when we were kids like that. You know, feelings and stuff didn't matter. It was, you know, grab a can and suck it up. It is the... Oh, that's a little cold-spirited right there. I don't even want to read that. What's that? What's haunting the studio this evening? Yeah, BD's off in Czechoslovakia, Russia, Bosnia... Croatia, right? Croatia. Dude, he's all over Europe right now, backpacking. And nobody knows why. Yeah.
    61:01
    And it's like... No, we know why. We asked him, and he said, Dude, I just want to go check it out. He said he wants to go eat and drink. I'm like, dude, you can do that here. Anywhere in the U.S. Right, hit a Croatian restaurant and go to Benny's and get some drink. Like, I don't understand what he's doing.
    61:17
    So, all right, so absolutely. You know, and that's the hard part. So, you know, Dennis, going down this list here. So my sister, she's raising her kids a little different. What does that mean exactly? My nephew is going to be 12, and he's never seen the original Jurassic Park because he scares too easily. So, I mean, I think there's pluses and minuses of everything, but, I mean, Jurassic Park, really. Yeah, Die Hard was definitely a classic in my house. I love that one. I'd love to see a pin after that one day, especially with the holiday music playing. What was the pin you talked about earlier again? Which part?
    61:58
    The thing that you were talking about, maybe. Oh, Player 2! I forgot it. It's stock scores, guys. Stock scores. So, you know, a little preview to the... No, no, you don't forget Robocop. You know, your parents didn't care about what you were watching. You know, I mean, my parents smoked. Guess what? We were in the car when they smoked. Now it's a rule not to. I think it's a good rule not to, but, you know, I mean, it was a different time, man. Lead-based paints were tasty, and, you know, you like to play with the... What's the mercury inside of thermometers? You know, we had it real. I don't have a thermometer in my mouth. and there was mercury in it, and then I had to take some type of liquid poison that would make me throw up the mercury.
    62:42
    I got some powers, man. Epicac. Mercury, man. It is. There are two sensors. Exorcist. Dude, at eight, that's a little scary, man. Exorcist in general is pretty messed up. Yeah, that's like watching. That would be a pin where if you had like an exorcist pin, that would be a little concerning. I don't know, but I would want to be playing Exorcist Pin in the basement by myself. A little bit interesting. Anyhow, what was that crazy... Pet Cemetery was a very creepy... All right, so, Emoto, let me ask you this, and anybody else. Original Pet Cemetery, I know they just had the remake. Remember Zelda, like, that had the back, like, the severe scoliosis thing going on, and she would come up out of the bed, and she'd be all disfigured? It scared the shit out of me. for, like, even now, I'm thinking about it, like, it's very, it was very creepy. And then the other part, ironically, of Pet Sematary was when the guy, the dad, like, wakes up from sleeping on the bed, and he falls off, and he hits his head on the corner of the table. For some reason, that always messed me up. It looked pretty painful. Yeah, it's pretty scary. Yeah, the crucifix scene is pretty wild, man. It's a pretty wild movie. There was another one that was classic. Yeah, the Ant in the Basement. I thought her name was Delden, though. Like, the ant. That could have been, like, really nasty.
    64:02
    Yeah, let's be careful there, because then we have to reset the stream. That would be no good. Do you remember Full Metal Jacket? That was another one that I watched as a kid. Oh, jeez. How old were you there? Like six? I was probably like ten when I watched Full Metal Jacket. Watch your major malfunction! Yeah. That's a messed up movie, man.
    64:23
    Yeah, you know, it's just such a different time. But you know what? Here's the thing, though. I think everyone that's in this chat remember times walking down to 7-Eleven and going to play pinball or going to play Mortal Kombat or any of that stuff. We just lived in a much different time.
    64:42
    It's just so different now. Maybe it's just because of the news and everything else. You just see a lot more than what was publicized. I think it's just a different time in general.
    64:57
    Let's dance. I never saw Sleepaway Camp. I don't even know what that is. That sounds like a My Little Pony episode.
    65:07
    My daughter's really big into My Little Pony. Actually, both my daughters are. The It Modern reboot? Okay, so I didn't see that movie yet, dude. That's one I do want to see.
    65:24
    Yeah, they'll get kidnapped or worse, you know. it's just a scarier time. You know, stuff we got away with as kids, you know.
    65:35
    Oh, I chose the wrong battle. I didn't see the remake of it. I saw the original one. Actually, what was great is one of my coworkers, he got,
    65:45
    this might help all you guys out for Halloween this year if you're looking for ideas to scare the crap out of all your neighbors. So he got an it doll head, cut the mouth out, shoved a Bluetooth speaker in there and then had the... Perfectly normal behavior? With anyone that has kids? The it, where he's talking to Charlie or whatever. You know, hiya, Charlie. You know, there's glooms and rides. And he had that on repeat.
    66:14
    Those kids are going to be like... Oh, dude, he had some adults running away. Those kids will be in jail in like six years. Well, the head was sticking on top of a storm grate. Five years. And, dude, he had a red balloon hanging from it. Dude, cops were rolling by. It was great. It's good stuff, man. George. Hiya, Georgie. That's it. Ah. Georgie.
    66:36
    Hey, man. There's nothing like scaring some people, right? No, no, no. It's all good. Yeah, but I would like to have, like, a creepy pin that sets the tone. Something dark. That's orienting, right? Like, something that is a little bit dark would be pretty fun. Dude, I would still. All right. I agree with you. And I think music... Phil is hanging out with the rough crowd, man. There's no doubt about it. No, I was an ace dude back in the day.
    67:03
    And Jim. But the Shining. Dude, this pin with the Deadpool soundtrack from the movie. With some of the one-liners they had in that movie? Deadpool with the... Ryan Reynolds. Oh, I don't care. I actually kind of like that it's not the Ryan Reynolds one. I think it would be a cool in-between, though, dude, that you could flip on, dude. You could pin browser this to Ryan Reynolds, whatever you want, I suppose, right? I mean, the Haggis pin is supposed to be creepy. Yeah, I heard that. I don't know. We'll see.
    67:38
    You know, and I think about, like, creepy video games. Because, like, for us, I'm in my 40s. Bill, you're in your 30s. But, like, I grew up playing video games. And as video games got more and more creepy, like, I remember Silent Hill was pretty awesome. Resident Evil, like the original, was like very creepy pinball machine.
    67:59
    Those kind of, the ambience that those games created, like when you were playing them, you were captivated by what was happening. I would love for a pinball machine to be able to do something similar where you're playing it and you just, you can feel like an atmosphere. You can feel like tension building. Like you just, in pinball it's just kind of reaction and skill and that's, and funness and that's fine, but something kind of freaky would be kind of awesome. Schmitty here? There's Schmitty. Intermission at a show. Hey, whenever Schmitty shows up, we always want to welcome Schmitty. And we also want to take a flipping out pinball timeout.
    68:44
    Schmitty's here. What's going on? Good times. All right, let's go. You all right, Bill? All right, so maybe someone in the chat can help me look at the... Was it Night Tramp? All right, Night Tramp. I was like, that's a whole other pin, man. That's like... No, no, no, no, no. Cinemax, Late Night or something. No, no, no, that wasn't Cinemax. That wasn't Cinemax. That wasn't Cinemax, dude.
    69:11
    Sorry, guys, I'm catching up on Reem. Hogan's Heroes. Hogan's Heroes? Yeah, Schmitty is in Branson, Missouri. I was talking to Schmitty today.
    69:26
    Don't worry, Zach. You'll be telling some stuff back for him, just in a little FYI. Yes. Okay. All right, so that's why I had to look this up. Sega CD had a game called Night Trap. I remember that with a video clip. Yeah. It was all the chicks that were like, getting murdered in the house. Dude, so then I remember that game. All right, Dennis. All right, so this is one. With all due respect, I don't mean to cut you off because I never do that. You're the only person in my life that ever knew what that game actually was. I can't even play pinball now. Night Trap. Yeah. Yes. So my buddy had a Sega CD, and his dad bought him like two games, and of course one of them was Night Trap. So you literally sit. All those blind ninjas just try to bump in, right? Yeah. Not ninja. I thought they were like. Well, they were killers. Killers, yeah, whatever. Ninja-like. Yeah.
    70:20
    But, yeah, you know, that was the one we played. It's not out of that game. And they banned it from the stores and yanked it and whatever. Yeah.
    70:30
    Dude, I was just reading it. Sorry, guys. We've got to educate our people here. They're probably in, like, the landfill next to the E.T. You laughed. The E.T. 2600 Atari cartridge. Anyways, Night Trap was, and at the time it was like, You were watching video clips reacting to your game in real time. It was pretty cutting-edge stuff, man. I was digging that. You're up. All right. Don't worry. We won't jump right from Night Trap. Oh, yeah, you will. You know what? That's one game. Dude, we've got to figure out how to play... He played Night Trap. A friend owned it on Genesis. Yeah, but for Genesis, you needed the Mega Drive add-on, the Sega CD add-on to play those multimedia games. Yep. That was pretty cool. It was Sega CD. You had your, uh, Sewer Shark was the other game. I'm going to let that one. Is that the one that was banned, too? I know it was two games that was banned. Were they banned because they were risque or banned because they were just kind of shitty? Because they were supposed to be violent.
    71:27
    Dude, but then you walk down the street and you go throw it on some Mortal Kombat. You know, it's like, really?
    71:33
    Yeah, Socrano 861 full motion video of my brother has a complete Sega CD set. See, that's awesome. Like, I would like to own that again. Dreamcast was... Or borrow it. Like, my favorite system that never got going.
    71:47
    Imoto says she's late coming back to the conversation to collect the gamers. Resident Evil would be excellent. They were opening animations all day long. The original Resident Evil was just fun and creepy on PlayStation.
    72:00
    Imoto, do you remember Sega CD's Night Trap? Yeah, Sega CD didn't really take off, but that was one that we played a lot by his house.
    72:21
    Beat the Soccer on Sega CD when it had come out was just, because I was always like a sports game kind of guy, and that was pretty sick too, man. Like, the Sega CD was awesome. You had Sonic CD, which was the new Sonic game that was on there.
    72:36
    Yeah, you know what? I had the Nintendo and the Super Nintendo. Actually, I didn't have Sega. That was my buddy's. But, you know, it was cool because he could play Mario at my house, and then we were throwing down a little Sonic at his. So it worked out.
    72:53
    All right, so full disclosure, the last game system that I purchased was a Nintendo 64 that I still have and I still play occasionally. And actually, the wife and I will still throw down Super Nintendo right in the basement and play either the original Mortal Kombat or Battle Tetris.
    73:14
    No kidding. Oh, yeah, dude, we still play that one. Your wife's playing a little Nintendo 64? Oh, she's brutal, man. Like a little Mario Kart or something? We'll do Mario Kart, but, yeah, dude, it's all about the Tetris at our house. Interesting.
    73:30
    I'm in an interesting predicament here because on the Mystery Award, I was awarded the extra ball being lit, but also I'm two weapons away from another extra ball. So this could be the rare occurrence on a Deadpool where you can nail out two extra balls with having a pretty shitty score.
    73:45
    I'm not really progressing. Just on it right here. There you go. Take one. Extra ball to go, please.
    73:53
    I will choose a quest. No, I'm not going to. I'm going to cancel the quest. Well, I didn't cancel it. You know what? I was supposed to hold down the center button. Yeah, I would like to see a Star Wars premium. that'd be a nice stream 64 is awesome Super Nintendo dude I spent so many winters playing that that'll always be this is turning into the Eclectic Gamers podcast stream because it's pinball which we all enjoy but it's also diverse enough to be able to discuss some video games it is but we jump around you know alright thanks for checking in I'm utilizing my excellent cradling technique that Kerry Hardy likes so much. He loves that. He loves the cradle. I've also been known to use my right hand to cradle with the left flipper and vice versa.
    74:42
    That's pretty nice. You're ambidextrous that way, huh? Right. I'm bilingual. You know what? I think they could become pinball teams, Dennis. You know what? I really do.
    74:58
    I haven't seen a great execution of that. In my eyes. What do we have? Street Fighter II is one of the video games that came out to be a pinball machine.
    75:23
    Ah, okay, you know what, yeah, you got that right. Super Mario Brothers was another one. Honestly, since the resurgence of pinball in my life, I've only got to play one Super Mario Bros. pin, and it wasn't that great. That was actually a routed game for about a dollar, and it wasn't the greatest playing. So I reserve to not have an opinion on that game just yet.
    75:51
    Maniac Mansion would be cool. How about Leisure Suit Larry? Anybody ever play that? Dude, I have played that game. Those were classics, man. And Doom. The original Doom.
    76:05
    Yeah. Oh, yeah. Dude, that was another great game. Who hasn't done that? No, Dave, shit's not going to get real for another, I don't know, what about another half hour of streaming or so? Yeah, what time do we have here? Nine o'clock. So Dave Fogler is already like, time for, it's going down. I'm just ripping orbits, not even paying attention to my mode here. I've got to look that up, Dennis. Thanks for letting me know, man. I'm going to actually take a picture of the screen here, so don't forget to look that up, man, because I think the Doom one would be pretty cool, man. I spent a lot of hours playing Doom back in the day.
    76:44
    Let's get out of these. DuckTales would be cool, man. All right. How many people in this chat could actually see a DuckTales pinball machine? You remember? Yeah, I remember. Huey, Dewey, and Louie, I think, right? And then Uncle Scrooge? Right. With the giant pit of money that he swam in? He was like the Bill Gates before Bill Gates type stuff.
    77:07
    Wow, I ripped that spinner. Are you kidding me? I don't feel good about this ball at all. We all feel pretty old. That's why we play pinball, to feel young again.
    77:19
    Yes, pail spinner would be cool, too. I think you kind of nailed all that. You know what? Another video, well, I won't say it's a video game pin, but based off of a comic was the Turtles, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
    77:38
    I remember those. They were like the turtles with the half shell, right? And they had turtle power? Yeah.
    77:44
    Knocker. Free game. Knocker, not knocker. Knock speaker. That's actually in poor taste. Not when I said knocker or disclose.
    77:53
    All right. Yeah, those are classic. You know, my wife the other day was like, you should do a save by the bell pinball machine. Oh my goodness gracious. Yeah, dude.
    78:12
    Somebody probably said that about Baywatch too. They should do a Baywatch thing. Yeah, dude, now it's like a cult classic game. And full disclosure, Zach Menny loves him some Baywatch. Is that what it is?
    78:26
    Oh, dude, he was bagging that one on his Mega Man. Another big guy. Straight down the middle, he was kind of like, oh, Ken's got to answer some initials. Nah.
    78:43
    Ken with a K, right? What? Just having with you, man. From what I remember, we're with a K. So we're at 9.04 right now. We want to thank everybody for joining us in chat.
    79:01
    Again, you are watching the Flippin' Out Pinball Streaming Twitch channel. I am Ken Cromwell to my right. Bill Webb. We are from Special Win Lit Pinball Podcast. and we've been given the excellent opportunity to stream some of the newest games on a weekly basis for Zach and Nicole, the owners of Flippin' Up! So every week you come here, Mondays and Tuesdays, either or, we will be streaming some new stuff. Now next week we're bringing in, this is cool, we're bringing in, Zach's bringing in a Black Knight Sword of Rage LE. And we're streaming the game outside, outdoors, from under a gazebo, which is kind of cool, because when you're fighting off the monsters in Black Knight Sword of Rage, you need the outside elements. And including people that will be at that stream. Obviously, we'll be there. People walking by with their dogs.
    79:54
    And then Jason Fowler from Slash Save Pinball Podcast will be there. And Ryan Kuyper, who is TurboGrafx7 on Twitch. For those of you that are watching pinball streaming, you guys probably know Ryan. The five of us will be knocking out that Black Knight Sorterage LE. And rumor has it, two big rumors. One, there could be like a ridiculously awesome special guest that comes depending on his recovery time from a little ailment or two that he's picked up. And this is a very, arguably one of the most popular people in all pinball. So that'll be cool. The second thing we wanted to discuss is that we might put the plumb bob in that Black Knight. Really? Sort of rage, Ellie, which would refrain us from some unnecessary nudging. So I'm just saying we'll see what happens. Yeah, Ellie, right? Dennis, Ellie, how often do you see an Ellie Black Knight being streamed? If you want to pick up on a chapter line right there, buddy. All right. Because if it's one thing we like to do, we like to make sure that everybody's involved in chat. Yeah, we try and keep up. And I also want to do this. So this game, and this is probably not the best example of me trying to do this because I'm getting used to the game on a different kind of plane here, but I'm going to go for the skill shot multiplier and see how many times we can get that. Nice shot. So I'm not going for points.
    81:18
    I'm going for multiplier shots. Whoa. I will cancel out of the mode. Animaniacs would be cool. No, no, no. We're not under a gazebo tonight. That'll be on Friday night. That will be Friday night.
    81:39
    Part of going for the skill shot is being able to park the ball on the left lever. Here we go. Yeah, we'll see. It worked out very well. Here we go.
    81:51
    Yeah, dude, we'll knock this out one more time. Watch the chat for a second because I've got to run upstairs for a quick minute, and I'll be right back. All right, then we will switch places. And, yeah. Scott, yeah, dude, I've got to figure out how to play that game again. That's definitely a throwback. We'll have to be talking about that.
    82:09
    Yeah, plumb bob's are for river fishing. I like that, Dave. You going to eat that? Sorry, I'm just catching up a little bit.
    82:23
    All right. Chrono861, dude, you have a good one. Thanks for jumping in. Yeah, definitely looking forward to Friday. Friday is definitely going to be an epic night.
    82:41
    A lot of good timing. I'm sure we'll get some pictures on Instagram and Facebook that day of our travels with everyone, because that should be a pretty epic day.
    82:58
    No, I can't skip it. Thanks, man. All right, guys. Going to jump up now. Hey. All right, so we'll definitely have to wish you a happy birthday on Friday. Who's that? Pinball Supernova. Lee, your birthday's Friday?
    83:20
    Lee, all right, let me propose something to you. It's your birthday. I need you to consider asking the wife as a last-minute gift to fly you to Chicago on Friday morning. We'll pick you up. You come string some pinballs that night with everybody, and then we'll get you back to the airport on Saturday or Sunday.
    83:43
    I mean, that would be kind of cool. There's always a fixed microphone available. So consider it. I mean, we're upgrading just for this. June 7th, yeah. Let's go. Oh, roundcollector.com. That doesn't sound like that's very legal.
    83:59
    All right, here we go. Again, going for the multiplier shot, which worked out very well for me last time.
    84:09
    I'll have to check that. See, I'm not too savvy on some of that stuff, though, Scott, but we'll figure that out.
    84:17
    Oh, he's not married, dude. He can just come out whenever he wants. Well, if you have a girlfriend, dude, you're not married. So, I mean, dude, you might have a little more forgiveness there.
    84:29
    Where are you? Leeds down in Texas, I think, right? We're saying a lot of flipper stupid stuff here. I've got to stop it. Yeah. This will be the last game I go for the multiply.
    84:40
    New Jersey. Oh, dude, that's nothing like a 12-hour ride, man. You know who Leeds is pretty good friends with? Our Robin Kitt at Lermont. Okay.
    84:51
    That's kind of cool. Yeah, but dude, who aren't they friends with? They're just awesome people. Nice tap-passing attempt. Yeah, I'm having a rough go at it at Deadpool tonight, Ben.
    85:01
    I've been known to be able to cradle pretty well and tap-pass on occasion, so... Stop my neck. So the conversation has shifted off of Sega CD games, I see. Yeah, yeah. Anybody playing, like, the Nintendo Switch? Because I bought the Nintendo Switch, and it started to remind me of what, at the time, I thought was a good idea, but then ended up being a mistake. When the Xbox 360 came out, I remember buying it to play all these new games, and I downloaded, like, the $2 pool game, and I played a $2 game on an Xbox 360. I've got this Nintendo Switch, and essentially I'm just downloading, like, minigames for it and not playing any of the blockbuster stuff. But considering this is a pinball stream, let's not even... He's playing Night Trap right now. I think you missed that post. Are you playing Night Trap right now? Scott's playing Night Trap right now? Yeah. Get out of here. Interesting.
    86:00
    I love it. So I think as we should always do, Bill, is every week we should have some type of a wager in which somebody has to do something that they don't want to do for a game of Deadpool. Dude, I think we need to make that one Beavies here. Is that just when Steve's here? Yeah, dude, with the Malort. All good things, the Malort.
    86:22
    Yeah, Switch does have some virtual pinball games. And Zachariah, pinball effects is there. Yep, I've got some pinball effects on there.
    86:37
    Snivy Tri says, I mean, I played a... I played, I made a game with zombies. I don't know what that means, but it sounds kind of fun. I dig it. And they said that's on the Xbox. Yes, it's probably like, right? Like, you're getting ready to buy this new console to play these $60 games, but then you go into, like, the marketplace, and you're like, oh, I'll take that dollar app, and then you have fun playing the dollar app on a time, like, a $300 or $400 machine. I believe it. All right. Hey, it doesn't matter as long as you're having a good time.
    87:12
    I'm now going to attempt to go for disco loops. Just because I enjoy that. And then we'll get back to some gameplay here pretty soon.
    87:34
    Sorry, guys. I'm just trying to catch up here. So bear with me. I think people are gearing up for the after hours. Yeah, I think that's more popular. And I don't know what time we're going to be doing after hours tonight. What time is it right now? It's almost 9.15, so I think this is our last game. Oh, no, we've got to have one more. Oh. We've got to have one more game. Okay. Because typically, like historically, we blow the game up on our last game. I'm going to pass the note here.
    88:06
    Pass up on that. You got one more in you? You're just mad because I'm beating you. No, I'm not. At all, actually. I didn't realize that was the case, though. No, that's all right. I'll do it.
    88:26
    We got a little Deadpool multiball starting. Yeah, yeah. We shall see how this game will go. I can get risky on purpose with the shoot again insert flashing. Otherwise, I would not do that.
    88:52
    But I have nothing stacked with a little Deadpool here. You got nothing worth collecting right now? Well, that was convenient.
    89:00
    There we go. Nice. That would have been cool, Dennis. No, no. Well, it's only 914, man. Whatever.
    89:15
    I'm doing what you want. What time are we firing the stream? 7.45? So we're about an hour and a half in? Yeah. All right. How about one or two more games of Deadpool will transition over to after hours. That works.
    89:30
    Because if it's one thing I'm confident of right now, Bill, it's that the extraordinary pinball playing are not keeping the people in check. No, the streaming is not.
    89:41
    But you know what? I'll tell you what. How about we do this? How about you entertain for a minute while I use the facilities and make a quick stop on the weather check? Yeah, no, that works. All right. Good times. All right. So while Bill is upstairs and taking care of a little bit of business, we're going to take care of a little bit of business, a little bit of housekeeping here on the Flippin' Out Pinball Twitch channel.
    90:07
    And we are back. It's Ken. He's going solo. My goodness. So we should play a joke on Bill while he's upstairs. I just don't know what it is. I wish I would have thought about this before he left.
    90:24
    And the joke should be like, when we start after hours, which is going to be in the next 15 minutes or so, I think we need to figure out a question that's going to make him uncomfortable. And then we just keep helping him with it. That is so horrible. I'm not a good co-host of a pinball podcast when I'm trying to set the guy up.
    90:46
    But it might be kind of fun. I don't know. What's up, Dirty Toes V? Hello there. When are you guys getting blurs?
    90:55
    I'm not getting blurs. I've got pretty good vision, actually. So I don't know, Jimmy Honda, if you might have mistyped or if I just misunderstood. 90 tries question tightest underwear ever worn that's the uncomfortable one alright well you know what interestingly enough there was a Calvin Klein incident that happened earlier today in the epic streaming chat between myself, Zach Menne, Jason Fowler, Ryan Kuyper and Bill Webb so we'll keep that for later the blur of the description below your screen or your stream Oh, is that kind of blurred out a little bit? Oh, there's a blur here. Okay, so you know what that is? Let me see if I can fix that, actually. Hold on.
    91:54
    Let's see if we can do it. So the blur, so this is how it, how it actually, oh. Well, hey, that's perfect. Now you can't see anything, right? Hold on a second.
    92:13
    So the blur is actually... So to get lighting properly done here, we have... There, that's a little bit better.
    92:22
    We've got multiple cameras at multiple angles. And to try to all make sense, like to orchestrate it all so that it's like a symphony of streaming is kind of complicated. We've got the pin stadiums that are illuminating the Deadpool. We have one, two, three cameras here. We're getting ready to add a fourth here in a couple weeks. We've got the two mics. We have kind of some offset lighting, which probably, to your advantage, would be to turn that off. And I can show you what that looks like turned off. So if we don't have that set lighting, we can turn it off. So now I'm in, like, the haunted darkness. and maybe that's not too bad. I'm trying to look to see. See, I'm here. I'm like in that Talking Heads video, burning down the house.
    93:10
    So we'll see. Have we considered using T2 cameras? We'll consider anything, man. We're trying to get the streaming down, but we'll see.
    93:20
    Most people put how to donate and stuff like that below it. Okay, we're not asking for donations here right now. We're trying to get affiliate status here on Twitch, which means we need to stream a certain amount of days and a certain amount of hours and have a certain amount of followers and that sort of thing. Generously, Zach and Nicole from Flippin' Out Pinball said, once we achieve affiliate status, anybody that would like to donate to the stream, whether it's a subscription from an Amazon sub or a Twitch sub or wants to donate bits, that they're going to allow us to kind of receive those, and we're just going to kind of put it back into the stream and into our podcast so it kind of supports. But while I'm in the – oh, 12. Sorry, Dennis. Not T2, 12. Your joke is ruined now. We considered 12 cameras, but we settled on three for now. Let me go back and turn the lighting on, and I'll be right back. Bill, are you back? We are back. We were experimenting with lighting. There was a blur spot of it, Alan. Okay.
    94:16
    So I'm back again. The blur would work nicely on the sword of Deadpool. All right, you ready? Yeah you ready Do another Yeah so Zach once affiliated all bits and any subs would go to ourselves for our work I don't know that it's exceptional, but it's fun. We're having a good time.
    94:39
    And if you choose to support us in that way, that's awesome, but your support really means a lot to us. Just that you guys are showing up in chat and having conversations with us on a week-to-week basis.
    94:51
    It's just a nice get-together with everybody. It's fun, man. I look forward to this every single week. It's a little escape for two or three hours from everyday life, man. And it gives me an excuse to play pinball and to chat with our buddies. So I absolutely dig it.
    95:06
    When did the official Flippin' Out Pinball streaming shirts release? Dennis from the Collect the Gamers asks.
    95:13
    And Zach says two weeks. I like it. I like it, too. We have considered using 12 cameras. I read it as T2 originally, so I ruined Dennis' joke on accident. Ah, okay.
    95:45
    Thank you for the compliment. We do try to bring good quality on the video and audio on the streams, and hopefully we're doing it justice. That is a nice compliment. Who said that, Bill? That was Zach. Oh, thanks, Zach. Yeah, can't wait for Friday to have you on, man, and have some beverages and play some outdoor pinball, man. I love that we're streaming outside, man. You know, we got to stream once outside. Well, we didn't stream, but we were on a stream once at a venue where they had like four machines lined up outside. And, you know, it was just a beautiful night outside. We had some beverages. There was live music being played, and it was just a great night.
    96:30
    Dennis, you're always supportive of Zach. You know what? I still love the market trend shirt. I think that would be one that I'd like to wear.
    96:42
    I know Dennis might not be a fan of that, but that's okay. Sorry, Dennis, man. And, you know, with your love for that segment, it's a good time.
    97:02
    Dude, it's okay, man. I think it's a great, that's one of my favorite segments in pinball right now. Market trends? Yeah.
    97:12
    Just like Gilligan's. So Scott says the stream is excellent quality. He is at a nice monitor and shows up well enough with HD quality. That's awesome. Thanks, Scott. I appreciate it. And let's not forget to mention, I mean, Scott, these games every single week are illuminated by Penn Stadium kits that Scott from Penn Stadium is providing. So this Deadpool premium has a Penn Stadium kit, and it's a tremendous help if you want to play. Deadpool essentially has some dark spots in the middle of the play field, but not with the Penn Stadium. So, I mean, we appreciate it. Good customer service, quality product.
    97:58
    It doesn't get better as far as the pinball mod community goes, in my opinion. So thank you, Scott. Dirty Toe says, I don't hate you because you're beautiful. I hate you because you defended the Hobbit. Who said that? L-O-L. Dirty toes beaming. Okay.
    98:15
    Dr. John says, market trending t-shirt with a picture of the Hobbit on it. That would be pretty sweet. You'd probably sell that at some shows, I think.
    98:24
    Yeah, you got a licensing on that. Trending up this week on Pinball Market Trends, the Pinball Market Trends Super Limited Edition tees. Coming in two weeks.
    98:34
    The Dennis Creasel Limited Edition, Hobbit Limited Edition shirts. Scott, you are welcome for that. Thank you for what you provide for pinball and for the community, man. You've changed a tremendous impact on the pinball community in general. Dude, me always answer the phone, dude. Jimmy Honda says, living off pinball streaming is trending up. Thank you, Jimmy Honda. Thank you, Jimmy.
    99:02
    Jack Danger's got flippers and butts up. You've got that. We need some type of a slogan. When somebody says something nice to us or follows us, or might even do like a sub or some bits, we need like a slogan. We should talk about that in a little bit right now. I was thinking about that. So I think what we need to do is cut a pinball cabinet side and put some artwork like Whirlwind or Getaway or something on there, and every time we get a bit or sub, dude, we write their name on it. Kind of like Megan Linnes, how she signs the guitar or whatever she does.
    99:33
    Yeah, well, okay. I think it would be a cool feature. Works for me. But we'll figure it out. Yeah. Then we can kind of like give it away or something. Or do we just compile a stockpile of names? I don't know. You know what? Here. I think, dude, anytime. So my idea was to get a, you know, basically build a side of a pinball cabinet and then have artwork done on it, whether it was Whirlwind or Getaway. Not Whirlwind. Transformers, something. And every time somebody contributes or becomes a sub, we write their name on it. It's kind of an idea that we took from Megan Linus. She's a Twitch streamer that does music. Check her out, by the way, if you guys get a chance. Do you even know how to spell her name? What? Do you know how to spell her name? I don't know how to spell her name. We'll rate her one night on Twitch. Yeah, absolutely. But if we do that, what I think would be cool is whenever we have some of our guests If they come in for the podcast, we have them sign it. Maybe we auction it off at the end of the year or something, or give it away to a fan or something.
    100:40
    Or just have it as like... A memento? Yeah, forever. Your name is on the Flippin' Up Pinball Stream pinball side cabinet. I like it. Or we'll do two sides. Something.
    100:52
    And then we'll slowly accumulate enough signatures where we have to build a whole pinball cabinet. And then we'll just build a custom pin out of it. Or we do the Beverly Hills Cop side art on it.
    101:05
    Thanks for the flip and follow, Snidey Tries says. Yeah, that's a great slogan. Snidey Tries has some groundbreaking slogans going on. How about this? Thanks for the flip and follow, user. Like, thanks for the flip and follow, Special Winlet. I like it, man. I do kind of dig it a little bit. Nicely done.
    101:28
    Then it says some gaming streams do groupie-style naming. Welcome to the Moo Moo Crew. Welcome to the Super Army, etc.
    101:39
    I like it. And then Zach says, just substitute. All right. But he didn't read that, so I'm assuming. No, I don't know how PG-13 this is supposed to be. Well, it is not the after hours yet. It's not the after hours. Now, that sort of thing could go on an after hour. So now, you know.
    102:02
    Candid swearing is okay. But reading a scripted swear or a forced swear is not. See, I don't buy that, dude. Because if your child swears because they're singing a Maroon 5 song, I think that's less frowned upon than if they were to say, you know, what the F.
    102:17
    Oktoberfest is leaving the studio. This is going out to Chris Haper, St. Louis. Going to miss a little Oktoberfest. I have it here so that we can pay tribute to the Oktoberfest as it leaves. Just give it a nice little pat, like a pet that's been with us. Like we fostered it, and now it's going to a full-time family. So it's kind of nice.
    102:43
    Welcome to the Escalera Banderos, amigos. I like it. I do kind of like that. So we'll figure out. Maybe we'll do a contest. Whoever comes up with the best slogan can get like a flipping out T-shirt that will be sent to you in two weeks. Right?
    102:59
    Yeah. Something like that. Something in that effect would be pretty decent. Yeah, Chris ordered the Penn Stadiums for the Oktoberfest. I think Oktoberfest is a worthy candidate of Penn Stadiums, absolutely.
    103:15
    Oh, yeah. One thing you're going to notice on Oktoberfest, it's very well illuminated on the back panel, and it's a little bit darker up front. So unless all the tent inserts are lit, meaning you've visited all those tents or all those nodes. It's a little dark in there. Flip it out or like come flip this.
    103:33
    That is complimenting your alley pass. My what? Your alley pass. Ah, thank you. Yes, yes. UV flashers on contractions. That might actually have to be a... We should do a run of some of the choice phrases that we've come up with over the course of the year doing this, man. Like UV flashers on contractions on the back of the T-shirt. And there's like a second one. I forget what it is. Didn't dig an inch. Good old Terry.
    104:13
    Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she actually read that on Friday last week, and I was like, dude, let's see how this goes. And she was actually pretty mellow with it. So just a bit outside, that definitely would have to make a t-shirt. Like, at least 10 shirts of that.
    104:30
    They're great to vote here. So we've got one of two options here. As we hit the 930 Central time, we've got that Flippin' Out stream coming up Friday, which is going to be a fun stream, streaming the Black Knight, Sword Rage LE. we are giving away, and this is something I don't know if we mentioned, if you're in on that stream that night, we are giving away a Black Knight Sword of Rage Translight signed by the creative team over at Stern, and it will be framed. What are you laughing at? I like your, uh, knock me out of the park, Dennis. Oh, there we go.
    105:05
    It'll be displayed and it'll be shipped in a backlit frame, which is from Brad at Lit Frames. He's donating one. So it'll be something that is like razor thin that hangs on your wall, will illuminate with all the signatures. So that'll be pretty cool. Got a special guest coming in. So we can do one of two things here. One of three things, actually. We can go ahead. We can play one more game of Deadpool and keep the chat rolling. We can end Deadpool now. We can switch over to After Hours. For those of you that aren't familiar with our After Hours segment, essentially it's no holds barred discussion. We steer away from the gameplay, although you still see the pin, but it'll just be us kind of all having a close and intimate conversation. No holds barred. The third option is to just turn everything off. I don't want to do that. I still want to stick around. So if you guys think that we should go ahead and – Penn Stadium says it's not a liver or a kidney. I love it. It is. It is not a liver or kidney. Well, Scott says that should be your T-shirt. Oh, I know. For Special Olympics. It's not a liver or a kidney.
    106:05
    Yeah. DirtyToesV says, at Eclectic Gamers you destroyed Zach with a Hobbit. Scott wants to sponsor us if we use the idea. Absolutely, Scott.
    106:17
    Please. Please do. So I guess I wish there was a way we could go ahead and put it to a vote here. But what we will do is. We have to do a Facebook vote contest. Screw you, Dirty Clothes. What's that?
    106:33
    Dirty Clothes. Hey, whatever, dude. I'm game for whatever, man. I just got a text. Let's ask the boss. Zach, what do we do? Do we play Deadpool one more game, or do we go into After Hours? Totally up to you, buddy. Now, Zach and his wife, Nicole, owners of Flippin' on Pinball, they allow us to stream these games. So let's see what we've got going on here.
    106:58
    This makes for interesting streaming, so thanks for coming in. Anyone want the liver or kidney? One more game one-handed. Let's do it. You have to pick your hand. It's got to be left or right. Dude, I'm going to do it. But on Deadpool, there's no one-handed mode. I know. I get it. Okay. All right. You ready? No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on a second. So we're going to play Deadpool one-handed. I would venture to say this arguably will not be either of our worst games. This will be the quickest game. I don't know if it'll be the worst.
    107:29
    Let's see. Play my height. One-handed on your knees. All right, how tall are you? How tall are you? You're not like 36 inches tall. I mean, Bill says, Bill uses his left. Hey, thanks for the handicap. All right, there we go. How about that? Thanks for the handicap. Bill, you use the right, and Bill uses his right. Ken uses his left.
    107:55
    All right, Modo's five feet tall. She's pretty tall. Okay. All right, well, I'm like 6'4", so I might have to play. How about this? We can use both of our hands, but on our knees.
    108:07
    Would that be okay? I got to adjust the camera a little bit. You're just going to see little eyes peeking over the back of our head. That said, the first person that types one-handed or knees and types the letter two after that is what we'll do. First person. By typing two, then I know you are responding.
    108:32
    Okay, I vote just see the eyes. And then Zach wants us on our knees. Yeah, Ken left, Bill right, and they hold hands with the free hands. All right, so Imoto wins with knees too. Yeah, we're going to go that. All right, so hold on, hold on, hold on. We have to do camera adjustment here.
    108:51
    Because I don't. Are you good with this? I might not. Hold on, dude. I might. Can you still see your head? Dude, I'm gone. Let me adjust the mic. There's a Bill Webb down there somewhere. E your hearts out, everybody. Hold on. Let's see if that adjusts in real time. All right. Hold on. The crazy part is my daughter is 42 and a half inches taller, almost 43.
    109:20
    So now I feel like I'm legit to how she's doing this. All right. Well, I want to make sure that I'm in sight way over here. So let me get into position here. All right, dude, I'm throwing down. And then, all right, here we go.
    109:41
    I can't even put my hands on the lockdown bar because it just feels too weird. I feel like I should be on my knees on the mic here.
    109:53
    Hey, you're in a mode. Dude, if this works, I'm going to look like the weirdest dude playing pinball at a show like this. Still kind of cut off here. Hold on a second.
    110:07
    I still think that was... Wait, stay there. Stay there. I have to make sure the camera's adjusted here. We've got to... All right. You ready? All right, here we go. All right.
    110:20
    Oh, dude, I launched on you. Look at that. You launched on me? My bad. All right. So my first thing's here. This is pretty interesting, actually. This might be my stance if I ever get into competitive pinball. I'm going to try to hit the scoop.
    110:38
    Nope. I feel like I'm watching a flipping out or a straight down the middle promo video for Willy Wonka down here. Like it's all first-person perspective. Yeah. Welcome to our view. Yeah, it's definitely a bunch of things. This is actually...
    110:59
    Yeah, it says all Bill cut off Ken's head. Shit, if I play better pinball down here, it's going to be real awkward going forward for the rest of my life.
    111:12
    Hey, we try to get the camera working. All right. Yeah, Lyman I don't think is the tallest guy either.
    111:31
    Well, now with the stance, too, because they have those eclectic stances where they're, like, doing, like, aerial splits, and, like, their chin's on the lockdown bar. I don't even know how that's called.
    111:41
    Sabertooth wins. All right. That's fun, man. They called it the Cromwell Crouch. Yeah. That meant something completely different in college. Absolutely not, Scott. But thank you for the thought.
    111:55
    Well, it's interesting because the way the camera angle is, I went from the Cromwell crouch to the Cromwell crotch camera angle here. So, I don't know how well that's going to be received. My apologies.
    112:10
    How about the loser gives the winner a horseback ride across the basement for victory lap? Absolutely not. Not going to happen. We're older. We get sore easily. We have bags that break. Dirty Toe says, forever explaining the crazy how to wear the shorts, right? I probably have some leg hair wear there too, like right around the knees.
    112:33
    Yeah, Lyman is pretty stretched out on the stance, I think. Who wants to be the first to comment on how well Ken's doing on his knees? Well, Kerry, it should be you, buddy, because you're hypercritical of everything I do during pinball play. If I'm not good on my knees, I apologize. I'm going to have to start traveling to knee pads for pinball shows. You're right, Emoto, especially when I'm hyping the Jersey Jack Willy Wonka.
    112:59
    The knee pads will be, you know, my pinball mod of the year. The Ken Cromwell knee pads. Dude, in all fairness, man, in my basement, I literally keep a step stool just so Madeline can throw down on some pinball. Dude, this is like, I don't know, I kind of like it, man. Really? Yeah. I might start playing pinball on my knees.
    113:21
    Let's see how it goes. You feel more relaxed. I will say this. I can hit the lockdown bar button with my chin, which is what I've been trying to do with Star Wars for a couple years here. Yeah, dude. All right, so imagine that, Kerry. Yeah, Ken walks up to a game at Expo, like, cool, you know, and then kneels down and starts playing it. And we get camera people like WTF on that deal. That'd be pretty entertaining. No, but can you imagine like TIE Fighter and Multiball? You're like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
    113:56
    Dude, you know what? That would probably get banned from play for some reason. I'd have calluses on my knees and on my chin. I'd have like a, get rid of that glass jaw, man. Deadpool wins. I might be the first person in pinball history to complete a mode on Deadpool on his knees. All right, so, dude, Scott said, or Scott, Zach said every time that, you know, last week of the game, dude, we make it interesting by doing some sort of game like this, one-handed or on our knees or whatever.
    114:37
    All right, so, dude, I always use a finer drill bit, drill the center, and then go after the top of it, in all honesty. Just wanted to throw that at what I've done on mine.
    114:49
    No, dude. Loser does not lick flipper buttons. That's some cruel and unusual punishment. And we live in a country that frowns on that. I may have accidentally licked one or two just from being down here.
    115:00
    Yeah, but they were sterile because Steve Beattie was playing and his hands were... Hey, I just hit the playfield multiplier. It's not from my knee. I might be the first person in Deadpool history... Just a bit outside. Oh, that was so close.
    115:17
    See, whenever you get excited about something in pinball, it comes back and bites you in the ass. All right. Good times here. Let's go, bad boy Bill. Let's see it. I'm playing in less than desired conditions for me to have an optimal game. You actually have a better perspective. Like, when I'm kneeling down, that... So, all right, when I actually play, dude, I actually stand really far back. You need to establish eye contact down there, bro. Like, eye contact with the pin. Oh, sorry.
    115:56
    Oh, no, no, I love when people talk to me while I'm trying to play a game. Oh, shit, it is a freaking pinball stream. Sorry about that.
    116:04
    Well, 28-8-45 is not my worst score of the night. I will say this. I have to clean the glass a little bit. Chin marks, huh? That's what's going to... Chin prints all over my glass. This is free to spurn HD glass. Ken Cromwell must have been here.
    116:26
    Right. My wife's going to be like, why are there chin prints all over our stuff? Oh, and I started the first ninja ball tonight on my knees. It's like the game knows. Ken's going to charge people with double chins, because that's twice the cleaning he's got to do. Look, I couldn't hit the scoop, and now I've got two balls in the damn scoop. All from my knees, ladies and gentlemen. All from my knees.
    116:52
    You know, all right, so literally, I know Ken and myself do hate dirty glass. So anytime we get ready to play some pinball, him and I are normally playing in the glass because that drives me nuts.
    117:07
    Multi-ball is a little more challenging on your knees, dude, because there's a lot of, like, balls coming at you at the same time. Like, you can't really set up your shots as well. So that's a big miss. That's trending down.
    117:23
    You know what? All right, so Scott, no, honestly. When I normally play, I stand further back and hunch over so I get a better perspective of it. And I don't think I've actually been doing that on Deadpool.
    117:35
    Maybe we'll do one more ball just to see if I take my... I'll tell you what, we might need to do one more game on our knees here.
    117:42
    I want one ball as standing how I normally stand when I'm doing it. So, let's see if I can hit the scoop. Dude, I can hit the scoop down here. Yeah, it was giving me problems all night. I think the problem with me is my eye level. It's like a good hitter. Like, you need to adjust your eye level. Mazzy, what's up? Yeah, I need to stay down here. Mazzy, who's Mazzy? Mazzy. 34. Mazzy, what's up, Mazzy? I was thinking Mazzy Star from 90s alternative. Yeah, yeah. It's been a while since I heard that name. Oh, I know. I should not have hit the lockdown bar button. Dude, Dave actually nailed this, man. He said, dude, you need a helmet cam for knee play.
    118:22
    That actually might not be a bad deal there. If you want, dude, I've got Gorilla Tape upstairs. I will tape that Logitech Handycam right to the top of my head and play this game.
    118:35
    Maybe next week. Yeah. When viewership drops. We need to get something back. Oh, damn. Yeah, GoPro. GoPro on our head, dude. I have a GoPro here.
    118:46
    All right. I'm not terribly disappointed with that score from being down here. Deadpool liked it. All right. All right, so I just want to do one ball to actually. We're going back to regular? Not a whole, well, I just want one ball where I'm actually taking how I normally play when I'm just whatever. What were you doing all night? Oh, I was effing around.
    119:11
    Oh, snap. So Bill's going to play how he normally plays. What were you doing all night? This is how we play for burritos right here.
    119:21
    Oh, I see you started a one-player game. I just wanted one ball to see if that actually improved my score. Oh, all right, one ball.
    119:28
    Ken can have one ball in whatever stance he chooses. I don't need a ball. On his head, however he chooses.
    119:40
    Yeah, there's a lot of ways to tweak a game to make it play differently. This is not the game that you want to put on a steep incline because it messes up all the trajectory of the shots.
    119:53
    So Bill's in fight or flight mode here, but you're in, like, fight mode. No, I'm in, I'm playing for a burrito mode.
    120:04
    What's different about your stance right now? You see how my back is almost level? Level? Like? Like, you see how, like, I'm standing? I know you don't like me talking when you're playing. Four feet out from the machine. All right. I'm a good like two and a half feet away from the machine where tonight I've been playing like this why have you been playing like that? because I get I don't know I wasn't focusing but I was thinking about it dude whenever I normally go to play a serious game like when we're playing for burritos or someone pisses me off and we're going after high scores I was trying to figure out why we played like 8 games and you just realized you weren't in your stance for pinball dude but come on I'm bowling They want to stop the money. That's really it. You want to play another one in your stance?
    120:54
    I mean, that was like the warm-up ball in your stance, I suppose. Then we're going to after hours. Let's see what we have going on here.
    121:05
    Zach from Flippin' Out Pinball says, Bill's the guy that shakes the golf ball, then spears at someone for chewing the gum.
    121:12
    Whoa. Hold on. We might be dropping our sponsor. Sorry about that, Bill. Let's do another one. Let's try ball three. So I'm Judge Mills, according to Zach. Let's do ball three here.
    121:27
    His back is parallel to the floor. The abs are straight to the choir. Bill plays pinball planking. He's just like stiff as a board. Light as a feather, stiff as a board. Don't forget the Ouija board story. No, no. Yeah, I'll tell later if anybody wants to stick around for after hours.
    121:43
    I got the unicorn. Terry Hardy says, hey, the white just asked, Or I just asked the wife to make me a sandwich. She gave me the finger and walked away. That's the mother of my children, everyone.
    121:55
    Yeah, that's awesome, man. I guess it depends on how you ask. Were you asking her to make you a sandwich because you were busy watching pinball streaming? Because I could totally see the middle finger being justified at that point.
    122:07
    Listen, man, with that kind of treatment, that would make me feel like I was right at home. Did you say sandwich or sandwich? All right, I don't know about this. Bazzi34 says, I thought you were going to sell this pin. I did. It's sold. It's getting picked up Friday. Jason from Slack. This is the going away party for my Deadpool, which I bought from Flippin' Out Pinball.
    122:27
    If anybody doesn't have a distributor or is looking to maybe try another distributor out for whatever reason. Or switch distributors. Well, I'm not encouraging somebody to leave something that's working. That doesn't make sense. But please consider Flippin' Out Pinball because it's been a hoot being a buddy of the owner. and also being able to work out some of the more fun things in pinball. I stand by them. I put my reputation on the line for flipping out pinball.
    122:55
    So that's what's going on with that. Did Zach get back on the Judge Schmel's comment? No, no. I think we're good.
    123:02
    Atmosis says, I choo-choo-choose you at flipping out pinball. Well, good. Keep it up. And for those looking for some custom quality, you know, pinball lighting on each side of the pinball machine. It's a little what? A little pin stadium?
    123:18
    Pin stadium is huge. Let's do this real fast. I did this on an earlier stream. I'm going to turn the pin stadium lights off real quick before we fade the black and go to after hours. And then I'm going to turn them back on, and we'll get an idea of what the heck's going on here. So this is full blast for streaming purposes, right? We turn off the pin stadium lighting.
    123:37
    And it's not as dramatic here because we have exterior lighting that's kind of hitting our little face cams and whatnot. But it does kind of change the dynamic as far as playing the pin. It really does. It's always good to have some pin stadiums and set that brightness and set those colors how you want them.
    123:56
    I forgot to tell you that Deadpool Pro .85 code deliver with its legs on heads up. Huh. I'm not sure. Oh, all right. So that's flipping out pinball.
    124:11
    So let's do this, and I think I say that too much. We're going to say a couple quick thank yous. One, we're going to thank Zach and Nicole. First and foremost, Zach and Nicole, thanks for letting us stream these games for Flippin' Out Pinball. Two, we want to thank Scott from Pinn Stadium for providing the internal cabinet lighting for the pins. Every week. And three, I think most importantly, thanks to everybody that joined us in chat. We are not ending right now. We're not signing off on chat. What we're going to do right now is we are going to fade the black, and we're going to start the Flippin' Out Pinball Special Inlet After Hours Party, in which we dig a little bit deeper into some personal matters and pinball. And it's fun. It was fun last week. It was fun the week before. It's going to be fun this week. So think about what you guys want to talk about, and let's take the next 30 minutes or so and crush that out. Before we go ahead and do that, though, we want to pay a little homage to our sponsors.
    125:09
    It's not really sponsored. He actually runs the channel. He's here by the grace of goodness. Thanks for having us come in. After the party, it's the hotel lobby. Yeah, so I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to recap myself with a refreshment. We're going to adjust this camera so that you're not just off to the end because that's not fun. So let me adjust that real quick. Are you good with that? No, but I don't think I get a choice. Let's get those questions ready to rock and roll here.
    125:44
    And we'll see where that goes. We can change that later. Let's go ahead and stack up. One book by Ken Cromwell. Swedish made pinballs. What's that? None spoken fun. That was a movie quote that I adjusted to fit. I like it.
    126:13
    Zach should know that quote, though. What's that? Because they were talking about said movie on this week in pinball the other day. All right. So, Bill's levels are too high. You're absolutely right. I'm going to trust that right now. Hold on a second. You know what? It was put up because of the fact that on the machine you have to stand further back.
    126:34
    There you go, buddy. Turn them things up. Yeah, so that microphone that Bill's on is our player mic, and that's a little bit further away from the player, so it's not in their face while they play. I think we adjusted it, so if that's okay, we're good.
    126:50
    Smoke cigars in honor of Deadpool tonight, lads. Nice. Smoke some cigars. Goodbye to Deadpool Premium. It's been a hoot. I love you. I miss you. I will own you again, but you're going to a good, good home.
    127:02
    Emoto Arcade says, new show at Cary Hardy. The Hardy and Harney Pinball Show. Hey, you heard it here first on the Flippin' Out Pinball Streaming Channel. I think on Friday, though, I'm going to probably bring some cigars, so anyone that's watching. Trending up. Yeah.
    127:18
    Are we allowed to smoke cigars in the gazebo while streaming? Yeah, we're not. Okay. Just making sure. Not that we're advocating smoking or anything. Just don't smoke on the black night sword of rage. Yeah. You've got to smoke in the back. Yeah. Smoke in the back. We won't be ashing in the game. Don't worry. We'll be fine. So anyhow, the pinball news has been slow. We talked a little bit about Deep Root today. They've kind of adjusted their timelines. So it's kind of interesting to see. Had a little venting today. We had a little venting. So for those of you that haven't listened to our episode 55, it's because it's not out yet.
    127:53
    It'll be out tomorrow, though. I get to see some people in the background like, oh, damn, did I miss an episode? I hope somebody comes out on the right field because it's not out yet. Right. Yeah. It's just not out yet. what pins do you have planned for purchase this year, and what are your thoughts on the Star Trek vault, everybody?
    128:12
    My next purchase is Willy Wonka, I think. What about you? You know what? I still want to get rid of Transformers because I have two of them.
    128:23
    I was going to keep the one and make it put the other one back together a little easier, but I just don't think that's really necessary now. So honestly, I want to get rid of Transformers and get either a Monsters Pro or a Ghostbusters Pro, or even maybe a Guardian of the Galaxy, any one of those three. Guardian of the Galaxy seems like the Pro model is the sought-after model, and maybe not necessarily the Premium because of the Groot hands. I don't know if anybody has extensive time on either of those pins, But I do have somebody here that's local that's looking at purchasing a pro or a premium. Would be curious to know the difference. And I know, I think Zach at Flippin' Out has a premium that's unboxed that's discounted for one reason or another. Which you might be able to get. Guardians. Guardians of the Galaxy. So if you're looking for a Guardians of the Galaxy, you might want to hit up Zach. And if you have any thoughts on sharing, you know, which one you prefer, pro or premium, I'd be curious because I'll relay it over to Chris. Yeah. Let him know I don't have a lot of time on the premium. I've only played the Pro of Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, the problem is I don't really want to sell anything right now. So, you know, it kind of limits the budget. And with a child on the way and some home projects, if I go spending six, seven grand on a toy right now without selling something, I might not be around to stream or be on the podcast anymore, as my wife will make it look like an accident. Yeah, yeah. I mean, kudos to the wives for allowing us to do this, too, because I'll tell you what, when it's a Tuesday night and we've got an hour and a half dedicated to a pinball podcast and two or three hours for a pinball stream, and then the next day another couple hours of editing. Well, you have to go through that. That's the hard part. Hats off to you, man. Well, hats off to the wife, man. I appreciate it. The nice thing about me thanking her is that she will never see this because she has no idea what's going on down here with pinball streaming. She doesn't understand the concept of the stream, which is probably to my benefit. Because if she really realized that I'm just down here having a conversation and recording pinball, it would probably be a different outcome. I think she thinks I'm fighting the greater good for a cause or something. But you know what, though? Last week when we were talking about pin stadiums and contractions and UV flasher glows, the wife did see that. She didn't laugh, but she's like, you guys are kind of out there right now.
    130:50
    Joel's in the house. I'm sorry, man. No, it's all good. Good job. Coming through chat, Joel Rees in the stream. Loving having Joel here.
    131:01
    Didn't Joel help out with Twippy audio or video stuff, right, at Texas Nouveau Festival this year? Wasn't he, like, doing a little DJ action over there? I thought he was, or at least I thought that was the plan. I could be wrong.
    131:16
    Dave says his lineup is locked. Actually passed on two games this week. Dave, you're full of it, man. I've seen more pins come in and out of that Tomorrow Bar. Dude, that avalanche has seen more miles picking up pins than work, I think. It's locked for the next couple weeks until the next game comes in. I appreciate your tenacity and your hopeful will there, but that's not going to happen.
    131:39
    Laser cue. Yeah. Sorry, I'm jumping on that. No, you're good, man. You know what? Honestly, I can tell you right now, my wife is actually sleeping. So I know she's not watching because that was actually one of the one text message I answered this evening was the wife told me she's going to sleep. So.
    131:56
    Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. What time was that? Like 20 minutes ago. Oh, yeah. So you took a text on stream. Sorry, people. That's OK. I shame on Bill.
    132:08
    Shame on shame on Bill. All right. Should be on the wall of the wall of shame. All of shame. So let's do this. We'll do a quick ask Bill Webb anything. brought to you by the Flippin' Out Pinball channel. More than just pinball, an experience.
    132:24
    So please ask your questions to Bill here for the next several minutes. We will watch Bill answer anything that you can possibly come up with. It doesn't matter how personal or how horrible it is. Bill's willing to put himself on the line as he's looking at me trying to figure out what I'm saying.
    132:40
    My journalism integrity will be online here. uh scott wants to know what you do for a living that's uh he knows that you drive but why is that uh all right so i actually work for a construction company and i actually have a few different hats that i wear so one of the main responsibilities is uh transporting and moving equipment um bobcats heavy machinery tools and that kind of stuff as well as uh inventory for construction products for job sites and stuff like that.
    133:18
    Emoto wants to know what the next pinball event that you're planning to attend. All right. So in all honesty, my secret – He's not going to lie to you.
    133:27
    Yes, there is no lies. I want to try and make Expo, but like I said, my child is due like that week or the week before. now that said anyone that's kind of in the pinball family I might do a Bill Webb host on Wednesday or something before Expo for anyone that wants to come over and just hang out and talk that's a great idea a little special one with tailgate party from the Bill Webb casino gazebo I was thinking about making it a casino that night and doing some dollar games on pinball or burrito bets I'm hoping Expo But we'll see. Paid Sign Guy wants a whirlwind update. We actually had a pretty nice whirlwind update on episode 55. So if you get a chance, hit the podcast tomorrow. And getting close, maybe that is the end. We'll see what happens. As we go through chat, Scott says, all right, so Zach wants to know, Bill, what's the next Jersey Jack pinball game?
    134:28
    I'm hoping GNR. No, no, but what is it? What is it? Yeah. You know. Wonka? What are you talking about, dude? He wants to know. What is it? You're connected with him all the time. Oh, the one that I want to purchase, Nick? Is that what you're trying to go after? No, no. What's the next release?
    134:49
    He's going to ask you anything. I don't know, but if I was to take a guess, I'm hoping GNR because I really want to see that. Okay. All right. Yeah.
    134:59
    Scott wants to know what I would change on Scared Stiff. The fact that he has an old one. Man, that's true.
    135:06
    Scared Stiff's one of my favorite pins. If I had to change anything, I would probably just add a little bit more to the code. And with, like, a little Cactus Canyon continued type update would be pretty fun on Scared Stiff.
    135:18
    It's pretty attainable for anybody to light that stiff meter up on just about any game that you play once you get used to the pin. But it's still a fun pin. So you need, like, an Elvira with, like a... Well, hey, you know what? We've got another Elvira coming out here at the end of the year. right? What about O'Reilly? O'Reilly 3. Oh, yeah, yeah. First turn.
    135:41
    But, dude, if you took the second one and threw a full-size TV in it, dude, and P-rocked it, that would be a... Like a re-theme or just like an update? Like an update, dude. You throw a 27-inch monitor in there. Oh, damn. Okay.
    135:57
    Get your new board set, program some images from the show, and I think that would be pretty cool. It's a fun pin. And from that time era, that's a great pin to have.
    136:09
    Bazzy34 Bill wants to know your thoughts on Star Trek. So I haven't had a whole lot of time on it. I liked playing it. You've played the Pro Vault if you've played the Pro Vault. I have not, but I don't have a lot of time on it. So, you know, I played like two or three games on it, which I don't think qualifies me on a great reviewer on that. I did like it, the two or three games I played. But Star Trek, because I had Star Trek Next Gen in my basement for so long, I'm not looking to jump in that kind of theme right now, just like Star Wars. I wouldn't want to jump in on a Star Wars just yet. Because, honestly, one of the biggest things that I wanted was a Ghostbusters and a Munsters, you know, and Guardians. So I'm still on the hunt for those.
    136:51
    All right. What is your, and Emoto is putting you on the spot, other than Special Wind Lit, what's your go-to pinball podcast? Ah, man, that's a tie between Between nine podcasts. Between nine, yeah. A nine-way tie. You know what? Honestly, it's hard to say because, you know what, I have a list that all, you know, whichever one comes out first.
    137:13
    So I do like Dennis with Eclectic Warriors. No, no, no. What's your favorite? I don't have a favorite. You have to have a favorite. They're all my favorites. That's like saying which child is your favorite. All the podcasts that are in chat are all your favorite. Secretly, you know which one's your favorite, but you're going to tell them all I love you the same. Okay. You know? So you're not, you're not, you don't have a favorite because they each approach you on different days and that sort of thing. And everything has its different place. Okay. So. All right. Well, let me expand on that. You know, if you had to listen to one podcast for 24 hours straight with no breaks, which one would you listen to other than Special and Lit?
    137:56
    All right, so I'm going to go with... I didn't expect you to say that. But yeah, you know, I may jump in. It makes sense, dude. Okay, so I would have to go with This Week in Pinball. Because you have Dennis jumping in there, and then you have your guests. And like last week, you had your five different... Very safe answer because now you've combined a second podcast with a primary podcast. Yeah, exactly. You're a thinking man, dude. I like that. But, I mean, it's literally between that or Slap Save.
    138:37
    Coincidentally, Jason from Slap Save coming here Friday. Nicely done, Bill. I'm laughing your chop. Do you like how I chugged that water? No, you need to be very diplomatic here. I chugged that water and got back into the gallon. I like that.
    138:50
    That's true, though. All right. It makes sense. and we've got people coming in on their... Hey, you know what? So Zach from Flippin' Out Pinball, shout out to Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. We will echo the sentiments. So it's Ian and Drew from Milwaukee that have a new podcast that have been out for a little bit. So good times, good times. Slap save, slap underscore save underscore, because Chris Hafer likes Twit.
    139:17
    Poor Man's not sure he recognizes the name. That's Dennis. He's not sure what that is. What about me, damn it? Flipping out pinball. Well, yeah, I mean, I think that Twip was mentioned, right? So that's good. Yeah. I don't see how I didn't mention that. Yeah, and Moda's got a good point, man. You combine all the podcasts because you have got frequent guest hosts, so you're kind of like the melting pot of podcasts over there. Yeah, he is. But an excellent host and a guy that tirelessly edits and puts his heart and soul into what he does. Dude, I just don't think he ever sleeps, man. That's how he gets all this stuff done, man.
    139:56
    Jobbers clarifying his Canada statement there for those that were curious. Dave says, this week's This Week in Pinball is one of the best. I like to mix up. I like to mix up, too. If anybody hadn't had a chance to listen to This Week in Pinball podcast this week, there were, I think, four or five different people from pinball all kind of contributing to segments. So it was kind of like a potluck approach to pinball podcasting. I thought it was great. And I was telling Zach, I'm like, that would be an excellent idea for a podcast every single week. So that was pretty cool. If you get a chance, check that out. And thank you, Jeff.
    140:33
    Jeff Patterson from This Week in Pinball for running the site. Yep. And getting that podcast rolling. And handing over the keys to that podcast to Zach. Because Zach's driving that train. So I kind of like it.
    140:47
    Podcast potlucks are fun. I didn't much care for the first guest host I don't blame you man, the guy talks too much he interrupts a lot and he's a shitty player when he plays on his knees right, I agree it's tough yeah, so the TWIP opening guest was a little long winded
    141:07
    Chris Haper was on there, he had his brick shot I missed the brick shot segment so it was nice to hear that come back Chris has cornerstoned the brick shot Dude, I was listening to it, and now I'm trying to blink, but, man, I was dying listening to it the other day. I think it was when Zach and Chris were on. I'll have to message you, Zach, what I was listening to, man, and I just about rolled over laughing, but it was definitely good. Dr. John says, Jeff on the Pinball Podcast used to be very entertaining, and he loves all the current podcasters now You know I have to say that there were the pioneers of pinball podcasters right And you know who those guys were And those guys laid the groundwork for anybody else that came in after the fact. And so there's like a special amount of respect that I have for those guys. And not to say that all those guys have become antiquated or have kind of winged off as far as the interest levels go, but it's almost like in some certain instances, I think there's like a passing of the torch where it's like you've gone from like DMV to the LCD era of pinball podcasting. And, you know, it doesn't mean that the guys that are still doing it from the past aren't any less or not as good as the new stuff. But it's just fresh things. Some people prefer the LCD era and some people prefer, you know, the System 11 era or the DMV era or the, you know, the early solid state era or electromechanicals or wood rails. you find your niche and you get comfortable with it. So there's a place for all of it, but it's just, I find it fascinating to see how podcasting, streaming is evolving as far as providing content for pinball media. I think it's fun. Right now, though, you know what, I'm trying to keep up with the chat, too. So, yeah, definitely throw some love towards Todd Tuckey, man. Hope he gets well soon. Yeah, we have a nice little shout-out today on episode 55. Great guy. Todd is awesome. Yeah. Yeah, but I kind of wanted to jump in here and say this. Right now, as far as pinball content, whether it be streaming, podcasting, reviews of games with Zach and Greg straight down the middle, distributors, I mean, there is more pinball content than I think has ever been prevalent ever. Even in the 90s when these things were selling 10,000, 20,000 machines just because of the Internet and how easily accessible the information is now. So, I mean, I think we live in a rich time for pinball content, and it's all due to everyone that puts in these efforts, sleepless nights and getting stuff done. So, honestly, I know we contribute a little bit to that, but, I mean, it's hats off to everybody that does this, and even more hats off to the people that enjoy the content and give the feedback because it's always those people that you get the emails from saying, hey, listen to your podcast, I like this, I didn't like this, but I like your show. Just the feedback, that's what makes it all worthwhile. We've had a couple that have really just set a different tone and really made us feel like we were connected with certain people. We've done a few things that I've been super proud about, and I was so happy that, and my hope is this, and not to get sentimental, But it's like a part of me wanting to do the pinball podcast, obviously, is to provide content, right? Yeah. Discuss the content. And I want to talk about Dr. John's question or comment about what's the longevity, the life expectancy of like a pinball podcast? Is it two to three years? Two weeks. Two weeks for some, right? But it's like to be able to contribute to something that I love, that we love so much, and to have even a few handful of voices that like to hear the content was humbling for us. Number two, I love the fact that with the Internet and with cloud storage and with hosting sites, to have what we've been able to offer for ourselves potentially be documented forever. Permanently. Where when our kids grow up and they're older, maybe they're in their 30s and 40s and maybe we've passed on, right?
    145:22
    Our great-grandkids can go on. For them to be able to hear us talk about something that we love and we're passionate about, I think is just the coolest thing. It's not a picture. It's not a video. It's like us talking about something extensively. Like we have over 50 hours of content that we've uploaded for our podcast. And to know that like my kids and maybe our grandkids potentially could listen to us jibber-jabber for 50 hours is pretty cool. Now, when we go into the life expectancy of a pinball podcast, I would say two to three years is a pretty damn good run. I would think so. To be honest with you. When we started, we were like, dude, can you imagine getting to 20 episodes? Today you read off 55, and I was like, damn, has it been that many? You know what? And I've gotten to the point where I'm pulling beers out of my pocket because I've become efficient as a pinball podcaster and as a pinball streamer. And we don't want to walk away. No. But, you know, you're right. I mean, two to three years, if you are doing this for a year, two years, three years, you know, depending on – there's no depending on how often you release. It's remarkable.
    146:40
    Again, it's not like this grueling thing that we're doing, but it's a lot of effort, man. It's a lot of effort. Yeah, we're getting a little deep here, Dennis, but that's okay.
    146:50
    Yeah. Yeah, well, listen, full disclosure, I'm hoping I don't die anytime soon. But if I do, I've got Pinball Podcasts ready for people to stream. And if Ken leaves, I'm out, by the way, just an FYI, because this tech stuff is... Oh, no, we're going to have to go ahead and get you set up to... I'm older than you. I don't know about all this. I'm absolutely dying first. Yeah, but I have an interesting lifestyle. So, yeah, I remember. So Scott's like, I remember when he said that he remembers when he talked to me about how we were thinking about doing a podcast. And it was like a year and a half ago. And he's like, look at us now. I mean, we got 54 or 55 episodes under our belt. Yeah.
    147:30
    And we pushed it six months from when we originally wanted to start. Yeah. I mean, it's just it's fun. And I think what ultimately happens is if you get burnt out or it just doesn't become fun or your interests go elsewhere, then it's, I mean, you don't want to force it, right? No. It's just time to be like, hey, just have fun with the memories that we had doing it. And how long do you think we're going to go?
    147:55
    If you had your best guess. Until we don't have fun doing it. I mean, honestly, that's the only reason why we do it. So, honestly, if pinball starts to start next week, man, we might be out. No, but you know what, though, in all honesty, I don't know, a year or two.
    148:10
    We'll see. I mean, we're already at the year mark, so probably I'll say two to be safe. It might get a little harder for me come October, but, you know, we're going to do our best.
    148:21
    Sorry, guys, I know we're not doing our best to keep up with Chad here. We were having a real eye contact moment about pinball podcasting. We were having a Jack Handy deep thoughts moment. What's the next big innovation in pinball, without mention of virtual or fake pinball? Real flames in a game. Thanks, Bazzy34.
    148:39
    No, it's augmented reality. It absolutely has to be something that has to be incorporated in pinball. For those of you that don't understand what augmented reality is, and I've said this several times,
    148:53
    it's not changing your entire environment and replacing it virtually. It's additive, meaning you are placing things within your environment in real time. So, for instance, if I'm playing Twilight Zone and let's say I'm wearing glasses and they're clear, I'm seeing everything as I would normally. But because of the augmented reality, objects and graphics are able to be added with my reality in real time. So if I'm lost in the zone and things are whipping by my head and I can see that in real time and it's just it's additive. If I'm in a little Deadpool multiball and every time I hit him and stuff's flying at me in real time, but I'm still seeing the pinball machine for what it is. It's not a recreation. It's additive things. It seems like something that would be, I mean, from a graphical standpoint, I'm sure you have to pay a decent amount of money for that. But, I mean, as far as an execution standpoint, I mean, I see these toys at the store for $40 that are augmented reality, and they're pretty solid. I mean, if you could do something like that in a pinball machine and code it with modes, I don't see how that's not like a huge thing. The other thing is this. If you're somebody that doesn't want to wear like a clear set of glasses or you just the augmented reality is not for you and it's motion sickness or whatever, don't wear the glasses. The pin still plays as it is. Oh, yeah. But, I mean, it just seems like a viable upgrade to what we're seeing now, and it's not even anything that's mechanical for the most part. I know. That's just kind of where I'm going. There's a lot you could add in. Yeah. Yeah, and the playful glass can be a projector for augmented reality. I think that's a swing and a miss. You can get these little tiny projectors out of China for $40 that will shine a 350-inch screen in your art. Why can't there be something like that that projects on the glass or projects on, you know, how about this? How about where you would normally have art blades? How about projecting art and changing scenes and having motion on those blades from projectors? Now, that would actually be really cool. I mean, that would be really cool, too. I mean, it just steps it up a little bit. um so yeah so bazzy 34 says i would say uh augmented reality as well but internet connectivity it just should have happened by now and and not necessarily head to head but leaderboards like i had a golden t down here and you could go ahead and you could jump in at any time you can play any course for 18 holes and it would take 20 golfers and they didn't all have to be playing at the same time but you would post your score on the leaderboard and then when all 20 golfers had played, you could check your app to see where your final score was, where you ended up. Yeah. I mean, that just seems like it's so easy to do. IT, incredible technologies have been doing it for a long time. So we'll see. I am curious to see how it's implemented with pinball. It doesn't have to be head-to-head play. But if it is, for me to be able to set up like a Twitch stream like this and for Jersey Jack to have a camera that's in the back glass, essentially, or the speaker panel, to be able to see the guy that you're playing and converse in Skype and chat in real time would also be pretty cool. In the corner of the screen you see the player you're playing against. The player window? Yeah, I think that would be fun too, so for sure. Schmitty, we are still here.
    152:04
    Do you think the shape or size of the pinball play field will ever change? Standard at the flippers, expanded, wider, deeper?
    152:11
    Yes, I do think you'll see changes in the sizes of play fields. And I think you saw experimentation with some pins, you know, like safecracker, like smaller things. I think somebody will find something that makes sense geometrically where you might lose a little bit of the – and you might see the ball size change, not to it's like a micro ball, like a Stewie pinball. Yeah. But I could see something on like almost like maybe a three-quarter scale that is still fun to play and flip, something that is a little bit more portable, something that's a little bit easier to move. Because I think one of the drawbacks to pinball right now is, I mean, man, for the average person to be able to move a machine, it's just a little bit too much. And even like this virtual full-size cabinets are pretty big. I folded up Indiana Jones yesterday by myself in that kind of suit. Yeah. You know, I would really like to see some pin 2K stuff, especially now with the technology and the graphics being what they are. I think you could do some really, really cool stuff with that.
    153:11
    Definitely easier to move, too, when you're just moving the body of a pinball machine. Kerry thinks the augmented reality is cool, but too much of it, honestly, would start messing with your mind. I agree. The whole thing doesn't have to be augmented reality, but if you're hitting the end of modes or wizard modes, to have just something additive I think would be beneficial.
    153:30
    Dennis says he could see the size changes as long as the same approximate lineup of space is taken. More likely to see the significant back box changes, but score is still visible via the back box. That's a great point, Dennis. I always thought like, and when Deep Roots started thinking about changing or they were talking about changing things, I thought getting rid of the traditional pinball head, as we know it as like a trans light with an LCD and speakers. Again, if you've ever gone to a bar and you play Golden Tee, you've got a pedestal unit. You've got a monitor that's up on two poles and it's just, it's a 32 to 50 inch monitor. Why can't you just have a monitor in the background that takes place that can have, like, animated artwork with scoring that looks cool with, you know, a GUI just in a monitor? And that's it. It doesn't have to be this big back box. Everybody is – I can't say everybody, but people just want that retro, what they're familiar with. But I think having some impressive display on a 32-inch or on a 39-inch monitor that's just piped up the back of a pinball machine would be awesome. I would love to see that. See, I would love to see, you know, for innovation, I would love to see, like, some true holographic stuff that pops up on the play field during modes, you know, and disappears.
    154:46
    You want to see what? It's like some true holographic images. It should be able to be done. You know, not a screen that's transparent or whatever. I mean, like some 3D holographic stuff. I mean, I don't think the technology is there yet to pull something off. If it was, it would be awfully expensive, but I think that would be pretty cool. Kerry, I think you're missing the point. When we talk about DeepRoot being AR, I think you're thinking of virtual reality. I'm thinking about taking a regular machine, as you would see a DeepRoot, and just being able to add graphics to the sides, like outside of the space of the pinball machine or on the sides of the rails. We're not talking about completely replacing it to an augmented reality experience. experience just talking about like additive things um holograms are something that puzzle me right so it's like you would think that it's something again for anybody that's been on facebook and this has happened to me before and usually like my facebook has been it's just infiltrated by pinball like i'm friends with so many pinball people anything that pops up in my personal facebook page is pinball oriented yeah with the exception of the occasional commercial or or marketing concept for a new product. But you see things like holograms and stuff that are advertised for $30, $40 that look completely impressive, and I'm thinking to myself, oh my gosh, that would look awesome in a pinball machine. Well, here, all right, so my vision, I have to kind of throw this in here. So I've been thinking for the last few minutes of what a great vision of that would be for me. Think of Back to the Future 2 when Michael J. Fox is walking by the theater and the shark comes down and bites him. Dude, if you could pull some crazy crap off. That would be a cool topper, right? Like the theater topper with the shark coming down. I mean, just something crazy. Dude, sky's the limit on creativity. I mean, I think that would probably be the next actual truly most innovative thing that you could probably do with a pinball machine. I can see that. I think what I've been waiting for is just like the ultimate pin that's got to have the best art package, and it's got to have the best layout, and it's got to have the best theme, and it's got to have the best light show, blah, blah, blah. I think what I'm actually looking for is just realistic innovation that pushes the envelope. I think we need to kind of at some point leave the stereotypical pinball layout, not so drastically where it's not recognizable or it doesn't feel familiar, but I think we need to at some point have a little bit of a drastic change where it just brings it. And, again, now, arguably, that's multimorphic, P3. Yeah. But I think, as we discussed a little bit in Episode 55, they need to have something that is a groundbreaking game experience for that platform to take off. Yeah.
    157:31
    You know what? I mean, the sky's the limit on a lot of this stuff, but I think that would be the, you know, I still truly think that that would be, like, the most innovative, one of the most innovative features. All right, so let's backtrack this. Imagine you're playing T2, and the T-1000 is running around chasing your silver ball as a hologram. Tell me that will look kick-ass. And you kind of see a little bit of that in the Zen studios where you can get into arcade mode, and you've got things that are additive to the play field. The original game. Right. So, again, it just kind of adds a little bit of everything. Let's get caught up in chat here, though.
    158:09
    Bazzi34, imagine characters from Pinball Machines popping out of the side of the back glass and talking to you. So that's kind of exactly what you were just saying, right? Dennis from Eclectic Gamers. Given the increase in use prices on game types that were historically low, such as like Stern Electronics and System 11, how long before Premier Games rise to the levels along those lines? Dude, I think they're already going there, man. The Premier Games are already going there. I don't think it's how long. They're already trending up on market trends. I would still love to have Cactus Jax, and I know that game is terrible, and I'd probably own it for a month. But, dude, I can't find one. And the only one that I found, too, one locally, the guy wanted $3,500. I thought he was smoking crack. Dude, game sold. And there was one in Canada for like $3,200. I'm not shipping a game from Canada, though. And I haven't been able to find one. Dave says, innovation doesn't mean squat if it doesn't shoot well. I absolutely agree with you 100%. I've said it before, and I'm not the first one. You can slap lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig.
    159:08
    Zach, our buddy, flipping out pinball, says, pinball is mechanical. I want more mechanics. I do not want more virtual anything. I disagree. I think we can see innovation in mechanics, and we can implement a little bit of the virtual world, and it doesn't need to take away from the actual pinball experience. Again, it's just additive, and it could be something that's turned off for somebody that might have visual or personal preferences about it. I think it makes sense to implement some digital stuff with that.
    159:41
    Eclectic Gamer's not sure how much more you expect to see out of magnets, and that's in response to Zach saying magnets and mechs is where it's at.
    159:51
    I'll be honest, man. I'm getting bored of magnets. I think too many times to say that you've added something to a game or that you've made something more interesting, like you use the excuse of, well, there's eight magnets. Well, I mean, okay, that's great, but make the magnets do something cool. Just to grab them randomly and fling them around doesn't impress me anymore. When you think of missed multi-ball on Bram Stoker's Dracula, excellent use of a magnet, dragging a ball across the play field in order to start a multi-ball. Something innovative, not like that. Not just throwing magnets in a game randomly just for the sake of having magnets. Dude, honestly, I hate going into this game because I'm kind of done with it, but whirlwind deal with the spinning discs, man. It's just something different. Do you like spinning discs? I just, in general, I've never, I'm sorry, I just have never found the significance of spinning discs. Well, no one's ever accused you of good taste. This is true.
    160:53
    This is true. I'm kidding, man. Just kidding, man. This is true. No, but you know what? Honestly, it's just a different take on things, man. So that's why I kind of like it. I don't like spinning discs. For me, pinball is about doing the best that you can to predict the ball coming back to the flipper and executing your next shot. And when you implement spinning discs or magnets, there's so much variable that's introduced. Now, for some people, they like that. And to a certain extent, I can accept it, but I'm not a proponent of somebody that wants to see more of it. Especially, I don't know, I enjoyed seeing the magnets as the slings in the Ghostbusters Premium LE. I thought that was innovative, and I thought that was cool. And I'm surprised that we haven't seen anything else with the magnet slings, because I didn't think they were horrible. but I'm just I'm not down so much with magnets that don't do anything that make the pinball experience like look cooler or feel cooler or spinning this just not for me that's why when pirates were like well our three concentric rings went down to one or two I was like oh good I don't care the lesser the better and we're going to wrap this stream up here in a few minutes I know Bill you've got to get going you've got an early day Magnet use in modern society is unreal We aren't even close That's Zach Schmitty supports him And we've got Dave There's a lot to see in magnets Used to control the ball like Grand Lizard You'd throw the ball at the magnet safe Right It shouldn't just be chaos and randomness There should be a purpose to the magnets I think one of the best games was Adams family with the three magnets under the play field. I mean, granted, it could screw you real quick, but I still liked how that game was implemented. Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. They're in the house. What's up, gentlemen? Going on. Yeah. Ian and Drew, not a fan of the variables, but magnets tend to be pretty cool.
    162:51
    The newness of magnets have washed, like they have just worn with me. I need something innovative with the magnets. Vazzy34, I have a great idea.
    162:59
    Hold your hands on a pin like normal. put buttons on top of the table where your thumbs would go, and flip with thumbs versus fingers.
    163:07
    Interesting that you say that because I thought that, like, thumb placement for buttons would be cool for Magna Saves on games. Yeah, actually, that was a great idea. And I thought that with Black Knight Sword of Rage, it would have been interesting to have, you know, where that Magna Saves was on the right of the cabinet to have a thumb save button. So I'm in agreement with you there. I think that's pretty cool. So what about the magnet save for Alice Cooper? I think that's an excellent use of the magnet, being able to draw that up, save it, and fling it back up into play. Poor man, thanks for that. And that's what I'm talking about. But just randomly place the magnets and throw the ball around, I'm not down with that. So I think I've spoken my point on that. Eclectic Gamers in response to Emoto Arcade, and she said, like no ball save safe. And he says, more along the lines of pop bumpers actually being dangerous, like TNA, or brick shots being punished. Not every target feeding to a flipper. So Dennis kind of likes the risk versus reward aspect of pinball and his approach to pinball. And I can appreciate that, too. I agree. Zach says, Magnus Havon, Alice needs to be controlled and saved by the lockdown bar button.
    164:16
    And then he goes ahead and he's responding to, I collect the gamers podcast. Too pricey, but yes, I like the game. All right, so listen.
    164:25
    we're going to sign this off here in a minute. I'm going to ask each one of you in chat to plan, if you can, on Friday night.
    164:34
    And I would guess this to happen somewhere like around the 7 to 8 o'clock range. Get ready to come back here. We're going to stream Black Knight Sword of Rage.
    164:45
    In the stream with myself and Bill, we're going to have Zach Money from Straight Down the Middle and the owner of Flippin' Out Pinball. We're going to have Jason Fowler from Slap Save Pinball Podcast. We're going to have Ryan Kuyper, a friend of mine that really helped us to get our special one-lit pinball podcast stream up and running, and I'm happy to have him out. He is TurboGrafx7 on Twitch. He's been streaming pinball for a while. Five of us are going to knock out Black Knight Sword of Rage LE. We're going to have a great time. The mics are going to be live. We are also going to be giving away some prizes, one of which is the Black Knight Sword of Translight donated by Zach Sharp and Stern Pinball signed by the creative team. That will also be placed in a lit frame from Lit Frames, who's a company that's run by Brad Hunter, somebody that's locally. So you will be able to have something that hangs on the wall, plugs in, illuminates the frame, and is razor thin, very, very sharp. We've got other prizes that will be given away, but consider coming in. Keep the conversations rolling. I know it's outside of our typical Monday, Tuesday schedule, But Friday night, and this is the other thing, guys. We're streaming it outside, right? Outdoor stream. We're not streaming in studios. We're outside. We're in the gazebo. We're in the elements for Black Knight Sword of Rage.
    166:03
    So it's going to be fun. So Friday's going to rock and roll. And for us, you know, you throw around the term epic lightly because everybody says it. For us, it's going to be an epic stream. You know, we have a great time doing it. We're challenging ourselves, though, right? Like, we're out of our controlled environment. To be outside and to have five people on bikes, cars, my neighbors walking dogs, kids, who knows? I would not be surprised if the cops come. I wouldn't be either now with the lights set up. Yeah, what's going on? Who's got pinball outside? What's happening? We'll try, Dennis. We'll try knocking it out. That's going to be fun.
    166:37
    And then Zach says there's going to be a live roast by Dr. Phil. Tune in. All right, thanks for having me by, Sexy.
    166:45
    All right. On that note, I think we got to – Yeah, no, you know what? We're not in a horrible neighborhood. Muggers won't come up and take the pin, but – No, just our mailbox. No, we should be good to go. We should be good to go. So, ladies and gentlemen, before we close this out, we're going to pay our dues here to Flippin' Up Pinball.
    167:15
    I want to go ahead and thank Scott from Penn Stadium for providing the lighting on Deadpool Premium. Deadpool is going to be up and out of here. I want to thank Bill Webb. I want to thank Ken. My partner in crime here. Zach and Nicole. Flippin' on pinball. I want to thank everybody that was here that participated in chat. And who's been coming back. Yeah, who's been coming back. We know who you are. We're starting to form this relationship, and I like it. and I don't know. I think at that point we're going to kind of wrap it up. If anybody has anything to say, you can go ahead and say it a little bit later, but Friday night, 7.30, 8 o'clock somewhere in there. Between 7.30 and 8.30. We're going to fire that stream up, and we'll go from there. So, guys, we appreciate it. Everybody have a good night. For Bill Webb, I am Ken Cromwell. Everybody have a good morning, good afternoon, good evening. And don't forget to take some time out of your day and play some pinballs. So long, everybody.
    168:13
    Alright, shit. I gotta be gone. Oh, this mother... Hello, hello? Thank you. That's a great question. What is everybody still doing here? I feel like this is the ending of Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Everybody needs to go home. It's over. Go. It's over.
    176:23
    It's all done. Thanks for coming. Welcome to the After After Hours Party. Oh, my goodness. Everybody needs to go home. It's time to go to sleep.
    176:47
    We should play the Flippin' Out Pinball commercial on loop. Let everybody know it's closing time. Uh-oh. All right. Everybody's home. So I would like to take this opportunity to thank everybody for sticking around. But we need to go. I know. We can't do it. I'm doing Tracy Allman. Come on. Bill left. I came downstairs fully expecting everybody to be gone. Right? Chat's over. And there's still people in chat. We got to go. We got to get this going.
    177:23
    We got to end the chat. We have to put it to bed. We have to let it be gone. So, but thanks, guys. I think it's an encore. I saw like two or three lighters. So I came out. We're going to do this like five times. That's right, Dave. I'm probably violating my contract with flipping out pinball by coming out for an encore, so I probably shouldn't be doing that.
    177:50
    That's awesome. One more game. This is it. Friday nights, guys. That's the way to go. Friday night this week.
    178:05
    The ad will pop up soon like old TV channels. It's 12 a.m. That was always creepy to me. And where I lived, it was like around 10, 10.30. It's like, it's 10 p.m. Do you know where your children are? I was like, oh, snap. I didn't have any kids, but that freaked me out a little bit. So, Badsy34, nicely said, nicely said.
    178:29
    Team Low Prices, man, listen, if you work weekends, I totally get it. But you know what? It might be worth your efforts to just kind of watch the archive stream if you can. because you should be able to watch it Friday night, late that night, Saturday. Check it out.
    178:45
    I think we're all working weekends these days. And, Dennis, I'm so happy that you're still here, man. Most kids get in trouble between school ending and parents getting them 3.30 to 6. That's true.
    179:00
    Am I worried about the wind outside? Nah. The mics that we use are pretty sensitive up close. So, I mean, if I'm speaking here, that's fine.
    179:11
    But then, like, using the same volume and stepping away, like, if I'm over here, it's not as prominent. So they're sensitive up close. But, you know, we have got pop filters and windscreens that can help with that. If it's super windy, I mean, what can you do? Who cares?
    179:29
    I was mostly concerned about potential rain, but it's supposed to be like high 60s, low 70s that night. No rain. We're going to be in good shape. I'm excited. I'm very excited.
    179:40
    At 10 p.m., my kids are exactly where they are now. Non-existent. Non-existent that you know of, Wolfman. Might have kids roaming the countryside. You never know.
    179:52
    Eclectic Gamer Facts. So I had a good time tonight, man. Good times, ladies and gentlemen. I hope you enjoyed Deadpool. And I am so not looking forward to letting it go. but there comes a time you cannot keep them all. So Deadpool will be leaving.
    180:13
    Oktoberfest, right behind me, is leaving. And Star Trek The Next Generation, across from me, is leaving. So three pins out, three pins in.
    180:26
    It'll be interesting. And for those of you that have stuck around a little bit, so we know Black Knight, Sword of Rage LE is coming.
    180:36
    This is kind of interesting. So Scott over at, well, Pinball Life, Scott Denise, he is allowing us to borrow the pin stadium, I don't know if it's a pin stadium, the TNA Whitewood that started this whole thing off. So we're going to be able to have that. And we'll probably stream that on our special one-lit channel, so that'll be kind of fun. And then there might be a little Monster Bash special edition coming in. which will be kind of fun. I don't have time on the special edition. I've played Monster Bash, but not special edition. And then finally, what's the other one? Oh, I can't talk about the fourth one because Zach is in the process of getting that figured out, so that's not for me to reveal.
    181:26
    Yeah, TNA Whitewood's going to be cool. I'm looking forward to streaming that. And then when we stream TNA Whitewood, we're going to have Scott in with us to stream the game. We're going to have Terry from Pinball Life. come in. And Terry is Scott's boss at Pinball Life, but Scott runs Denise Designs, which they contracted, or he contracted Spooky to make his game. So it's kind of like this triangle going on. So that'll be a fun stream. And for anybody that's ever listened to Scott kind of talk, he's been on our podcast a few times, Special One Lit Pinball Podcast. Very well received. Just a humble guy. Nice guy. We've been buddies prior to TNA, so it's cool to see where that game's gone. And I'm looking forward to seeing game number two. I have seen and flipped the Whitewood for Scott D'Anessi game number two.
    182:14
    I have. So that's kind of cool. Batsy34, I'm trying to get the first new inbox pinned, or any pin for that matter, into the house. Envious of those with pins. Hope to join soon. Yeah, man, you know what? Once you get in, there's no escaping. Like, you're going to make room for more pins coming into the basement. You may even, at one point years down the road, have to get a place that's going to accommodate your pin collection. It's pretty crazy. And cheers to you, Bazzi34. I appreciate it.
    182:44
    What game would that be, Ken? That would be the Scott Denise's Haunted House Party. That is, I think, codename at this point.
    183:00
    MGD Philly. Yo, totally found a Deadpool at a random bar 45 minutes a week. Then go play it. If it's a premium or a pro, you're going to have fun. Deadpool is a fun game. It's got to be set up properly, though. This one tonight wasn't set up as well, so it was a little bit more difficult to hit some of the shots, but it's still a good time.
    183:22
    After Hours Revelations, Dave. Crazy times. Too bad it stands called Party Bar. Yeah, well, part of the experience on Deadpool is absolutely the music, right? So you've got to sit down and be able to, again, get an external sub and hook it up to your premium or your pro. And Jerry Thompson killed the sound package on Deadpool.
    183:42
    And then Tanya with the code. George Gomez, the layout is aspiring. I mean, there's some shots that you think might be able to be tweaked a little bit, but it is what it is, and it plays great. It's a fun, fun game. Absolutely.
    183:58
    Dennis had the Star Trek Pro first new box. What a great game, Star Trek Pro. I like the newer Star Trek more than I do Next Gen. So, I mean, I think of all the current day Sterns, especially from the DMD era,
    184:14
    Star Trek has got to be top three. It's just that good of a game. And you don't even need to be somebody that appreciates the Next Gen or the new wave of Star Trek to appreciate the pin. It's actually really fun.
    184:34
    So that sounds like a keeper. So, all right, man, maybe we'll take six trying to end the stream. I wanted to come back in and see if anybody was still here before I officially signed off and cut the stream down. So at 10.50, do you know where your children are? Here at Central Time, I think we'll get ready to cut loose. If anybody's got some final thoughts they'd like to share, let's do that. But I'd like to release everybody into their night knowing that they're not missing the unbelievable content provided from the Flippin' Out Pinball channel, which is huge.
    185:08
    They said Jerry Thompson is really putting out some great stuff. Got to pick with him and Dave Thiel going on the wall tomorrow. Yeah.
    185:15
    Dave, I remember you at TP – or not TPF, at Expo last year hanging out with David Thiel. and I think I might have snapped a couple pictures for you, man, and sent them your way if I remember. I'm trying to remember. That was a little bit of a blur. Looking forward to Expo this year. It's going to be a good time.
    185:32
    Yeah, we've got to throw the switch, buddy. I agree. Let's throw it. Before we get a little sloppy with the Coors Lights,
    185:45
    newest episode number is episode number 55. We recorded it tonight right before the stream, and it'll probably come in right around 50, 55 minutes and it'll be uploaded tomorrow. So I appreciate you asking. It'll be there. So it's fun, man. We love doing this podcast and we're still getting used to the streaming. So bear with us as we figure out how to monitor a chat and play pinball and have a conversation. But it's fun. It's good growing pains, good learning pains, if that makes any sense.
    186:17
    I think I did take that pick, Dave, if I remember correctly. Yeah, Coors Light. Hey, you know what? With our podcast budget, we've gone down to Coors Light.
    186:26
    The podcast has taken a life of its own financially. The other thing with Coors Light, which is nice,
    186:35
    is that it's about as close as you can get to bottled water. So whereas you may feel a sense of accomplishment by putting down multiple Coors Lights, you're in a sense kind of hydrating yourself at the same time. So I'll take it. Good night, guys.
    186:51
    Two brothers. Two brothers absolutely would sponsor this stream. I just don't understand what's in it for two brothers, and I don't understand what's in it for us. And I think that's why ourselves with two brothers had parted ways. It was fun to establish a little bit of credibility on both aspects with them kind of getting the pinball beer out and us trying to get a sponsor to legitimize our podcast when we started. But you know what? You kind of grow out of those moments. and I wouldn't be surprised if we do something similar again in the future. And the idea was for us to host an off-the-hook Pinball Expo party this year, but with, I guess, Bill trying to grow a family with his wife and the baby coming, that's going to have to be put on hold, I think, until 2020. So that will be the party that we do that.
    187:44
    Coors and Coronas are anytime's beer. I would say more Coors than Coronas, but yeah. Now, Dave, I'm going to keep the switch on throne.
    187:53
    We're going to go to midnight central time, guys. We've got an hour and seven minutes to go before we end the stream. No, I'm kidding. We're going to end this so everybody can get some sleep. Make a little ultra.
    188:05
    That's about as watered down as you can actually get. About as watered down as you can actually get. So, sorry, Dennis. Dennis, you just need to get to Chicago, buddy, when you get a chance, and let's get it going. It's fun times out here.
    188:21
    Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, thanks for joining us. We would not be able to end this stream without playing this.
    188:42
    So long, everybody. Thank you.