Okay, the evidence is pretty overwhelming. It clearly shows the defendant robbed a Maxi Mart at gunpoint, threw a keg of beer through the front window, and got away with $600 and five cartons of cigarettes. Whoa. That guy sounds pretty cool. I want to meet him. Yeah, they should have brought him to this trial. Wouldn't have been so boring. He was at the trial. He was sitting at the table the whole time. You mean that guy in the black dress? No. That's the judge. The defendant robbed the store. Oh. Well, the defendant kicks ass. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slamtail Podcast, a show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with the other host, Bruce Nightingale. Howdy ho! And this is episode 259. Wow. Mm-hmm. It's remarkable. We've got a couple extra weeks. Yeah, and it's good because stuff happened. Shit happened. Oh, shitload of shit. Oh, yeah, lots of shit happened. Yeah, welcome to the shit show. The shit show. Welcome to the shit show. Welcome to the shit show. Yeah, was that an album? We got funny games. All right. Let's get right into it, ladies and gentlemen. walking dead remastered i hear it looks a lot of colors so yeah and another one of the worst kept secrets ever walking dead the next uh remastered game yep they had a metallica last year yep this year they had walking dead yep and when i first saw this thing i had the same reaction to the art i think most people did yeah it's really bright yeah now i never really watched the show but just judging by the artwork on the original game yeah it's like really dark and dirty and grimy this looks like like this is like no no it reminds you know what it reminds me of like the original you know the original walking dead was like the beginning of wizard of oz you're in the black and white oh yes yes and then when you go to oz it's like yeah yes you're right holy i'm like holy shit the holy shit it was very colorful yes i do like the expression lights the fact that they're They're part of the rails now, so I would expect these to be available for all models going forward. Should be all models. We'll see how the new head looks. And everyone was excited about the lights on the outside. Yeah, I know. First time since Star Trek. Yeah, I'm like, you mean Star Trek? Yeah, exactly. Something they already did 11 years ago. And never copied. This is the first machine in 11 years that they haven't copied something like, you know. Usually when something works, they go, oh, let's do this five or six times before we burn it out. That feature literally made Bruce buy the game. It did. He saw that in the factory. He saw those lights, and he literally came in his pants. Like, right at that moment. And he just got on the phone, and he already had a game on order. But he's like, I need to change my order. I want the LE. Yeah, he's like, well, you can't. You already got one already on order. I'm like, I'm going to keep both. Trust me. And I did. I stole the other one, and we're ready to rock. Uh-huh. And I still have it. Mm-hmm. It's broken. Yes, you still have the LE. It's broken now. It's broken. I broke a post. You broke a post. Bad. Actually, everything's broken on that game at one time or another. I know. Always. It's just. Yeah. It's the good starting quality that you used to have. Well, it's like 11 years old, and it's beginning to pound it. Oh, yeah. Pound it hard. Yeah. Okay. So, other than the art, which may be a little. I mean, the actual. the dmd the color color on the on the display is awesome i think i like that what is on the artwork i think is cool you have some dude on a motorcycle shooting a zombie through the head with an arrow you got you got um another one getting decapitated you got one's getting shot i mean i figured that's that's on the show right that's kind of what you want oh yeah of course it's just so bright but it looks great but I wish they did a pro of it because I hate the LE Premium because I don't like the arrow and I don't like Dawson Powers oh the crossbow yeah the crossbow and I don't like the ramp they fixed the ramp though I know but I don't care I still don't like the head I'm going to hit a bash toy head. Well, some of the upgrades, they have the Well Walker now has a coil in him. Yes. So he can bounce around a little bit more. They supposedly fixed the left ramp so it doesn't suck now. What else did they fix? Oh, the rollovers. They swapped out the rollovers. See, I don't think they look as good as the original. No, no, no. Because the original rollovers are illuminated because of the star rollovers. These look like just black buttons. Yeah. It goes over. yeah but i'm i mean i digress was it an issue with them i don't think so but you know some people don't i guess it had to be an issue i've never had an issue with them not registering on any evil evil dead walking dead i've ever played whenever i waxed the machine the wax would get into a slot and i can't handle that as a pinball player okay that's the only thing i can think of like literally you know i was like what the fuck i never heard about them not registering but i I could be wrong. I don't know. I got some wax stuck in the star, and it doesn't get around too easily, and I can use a toothbrush. We have call-outs from a couple of members of the cast. Yep. I don't know. Are they good members of the cast? I have no idea. Some are. Some aren't. Some are dead. Some aren't. Hey, you know. Aren't they all dead? They're walking dead. I'm not crazy about the sling head. No. The heads on the slings. I don't think I'll stop doing that. It doesn't look that good. It doesn't look good, doesn't act good, and it's distracting. Let me see. I'm just trying to find it. No price change. No price change. We'll give them, you know, it's only like $3,000 more than it was originally with color. It's a bright technicolor. Let's see. The LE is limited to 500 units worldwide. You could probably still get one right now. Oh, I guarantee you're good. Pricing remains the same from the last release. Getting all this from NAP Arcade. Hi, NAP. $9,700 for the premium and $13,000 for the LE so Ron's got this on order is it put next to his Evil Dead no I don't mind I don't hate Walking Dead like our Zach does but I don't need it I never watch the show when we were talking on the chat we were like oh I might get cheaper Walking Deads now nope I haven't seen a cheap Walking Dead yet Ah, and it made its debut, its public debut, at IAPA, which is going on right now in Florida. God bless you. And after IAPA, they will take the games and bring them to Freeplay Florida. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's what they used to do when it was in Orlando. I'm assuming they're doing that because they were advertising the games to be at Freeplay Florida. Oh, that's cool. How far is it from IAPA to Florida? To Orlando. They're both in Orlando. Okay, so it's not that hard. No, no. They would literally arrive right after IAPA finished. They would show up. God bless you. What does IAPA stand for? International... Anal Amusements. Prophylactics. Yeah, prophylactics. Pool Associations. You know, pinball and pool. You know, IAF. Well, we were supposed to get gameplay on the 14th. But that didn't happen. Yeah, I wonder what happened. Supposedly licensing approvals. Okay. So we don't really get to see it. They didn't really go into, like, other than the hardware upgrades, they didn't really talk much about software improvements. Nope, nope. Like rule improvements, anything like that. They didn't really go into it. They didn't really go into that. Which means, I bet you, it's a little lacking in the show. Minimal in the editions. They mentioned something about the video. It's clips from the show, but they're painted over or something. That kind of tells me they couldn't use clips from the show. Yeah. Video killed the pinball machine. I'm looking at it. I can't get over how bright this thing is. Oh, God. It's so bright. I swear to God, it's Wizard of Oz brightness. Actually, Wizard of Oz by Jersey Jack wasn't this bright. Dark, I know, wasn't this bright. Is this the Ruby Red Edition? God. I think it is. This is the Ruby Red Edition. Yeah. Oh, man. There's the on. Where's it coming? It's coming. Oh, they said they fixed the barn door thing, which always never worked right. Never worked at all. Maybe it was disabled at a tournament. Yep. There you go. So they've addressed the physical issues most people complained about. Yeah. Would you pay more money for the same game? No, not in this case. Not this case. This isn't like Metallica last year. No, no. I think they were trying to. I think they should have probably did another game. I don't know. I think they should have done the two that more people are asking for. Well, what, Tron? Or? Lord of the Rings. Yeah. Yeah, but Lord of the Rings, forget it. So Tron, maybe. The problem with Tron is they just had a Tron movie. And it bombed. And it bombed hard. So that means you get the licensed sheep. Or they could do, like, Tron Classic. No, Tron Classic of the original. But they still have the, what's that band again that everyone loves the music in that game? Daft Punk. Yeah, Daft Punk. They could have them again. Think about that. Yeah, the best of both worlds. Uh-huh. yeah yeah uh i don't know if this is gonna be a winner for the old stern first it's kind of scary that you know a week later of course you know after announcing it you know you still haven't seen gameplay a couple but hey we we saw some gameplay from uh you know crappy phone phone cameras yeah and i this is in 2003 2005 yeah yeah yeah this is just uh I don't know. I don't really have the excitement for this. No, not at all. I mean, I think the art is better. I think the art is better. I just think it's way... It's so bright. We turned it up to 11. Yeah, it's turned up to 11. My eyes. I can't see my pupils anymore. They're burnt. Because when I think of zombies, this is the color scheme I think of. Yes. Tra-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la. I'm trying to think if there's anything else we can talk about. I mean... We haven't seen gameplay, so we can't... We haven't seen gameplay. It said the expression lights are now part of the side rail. Yep. So, that's nice. Yes, it is. So, we'll hopefully see some more. Speaking of accessories... Oh, what about accessories? Do you want X-Men accessories? Because if you do, you already got to see what they look like. Yeah. I don't know how Stern keeps doing this, but they somehow put the Stern. And they did it. And when they did it. Don't forget when they did it also. Oh, when did they do it? The day of announcement of another game. Oh, is it the same day as Spielberg? Oh, yeah, it was. Yeah, well, it was Friday. Well, not the announcement, the unveiling of Spielberg. Thursday. Friday. Quitting time. Friday. Friday. Put on your dancing shoes. Shoes. I love those. The quotes are fucking awesome in that game, I have to say. I think he's bipolar, though. He's all excited, and as soon as you lock a ball, I'm all worn out. I'm all worn out. Damn, that was quick. He has no endurance. He's two-minute man. Yes. I'm all worn out. You keep on pounding that bulldozer, yeah. Oh, God. So, yes, on their site, X-Men accessories showed up in their store, on their own store. This wasn't even, like, leaked by somebody. It was there briefly until someone must have been, oh, shit, and they pulled them off there. But we basically got a look at everything. Yeah. We got the shooter rod I'm looking at right now. We got the side art blades or whatever. But we also got the topper. Have you seen the topper? I have seen the topper. So what do you think? It's basically a bunch of panels. That rotate. That are going to rotate to, I assume, three different positions. Three or four. I think it's three. Okay. And, I mean, that's different. And how much was that topper? It's right here. $1,500. Yeah. Go fuck yourself for fucking three pictures. I'm sorry. Well, no, no. Hold on. Let me count. One, two, three. 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 panels. Yeah, but still, it only can turn to, if you're saying three panels, it can only turn to three pictures. Yeah, three pictures. Yeah, so for $500 a picture. Oh, you're right. It's $500 a picture. Yeah, great. Well, don't forget the motor. Who gives a shit about the fucking motor? The one motor that's needed to actually make it turn. Oh, yeah, it's turning up ahead. I wonder how it's going to turn. Is it going to turn slow, fast? Is it going to go... Or is it going to be like slow turn? It's going to be like the... What's it called? The sliding doors on... What's it called? Price is Right. A new car! Oh, yes. This would be a cool mech if you had the Let's Make a Deal game. Oh, God. What's behind door number one? It turns like a donkey shows up. Damn it! Damn it. that would be great yeah but nope let's see yep so uh strike out two already for stern yeah i like the topper different images of the past present and future depending on what mode the player is in isn't that exciting no no not at all i i like it i know you hate you hate everything i mean it is topper gate this is now we're pushing the stupidity level of toppers okay fifteen hundred dollars and you get three panels of pictures okay don't change ever after this and all right it's it's a bad choice just give me a fucking give me an lcd screen up top that maybe will scroll and do other things and warning danger you know oh we're in the dangers room you know i want a physical thing i would love to see that for like batman 66 like wham bam you know up on top you know when you're in multiball i want to see the i want to see a fish no maybe not a fish called one the pinball machine here it comes we need to be we need to bring the air raid siren back oh fuck yeah gold wings like oh my god turn that off that gets disconnected probably on every single one of those games. Every single one. Oh, man. Well. Yeah, I say strike two for you old Stern. Oh, sorry. Sorry. I like it. Bruce doesn't, but he hates everything. I like that it actually moves or does something. All right. Well, let's move off of Stern, and let's move on to the game that was already sold out before it was even revealed. Yep. And they sold six more. Oh, yeah. And now it's, yes, yes. We're talking about Beetlejuice. And they did a cool little thing with Project Pinball today. Where if they could sell, if they sold all six of these, they all sold out, Spooky would donate a Looney Tunes to a children's hospital somewhere. And boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Holy shit, the first one sold out in less than a minute because I was in there. And by the time I got all my info in, it told me I was too late. Too late. But luckily, I got in on either the third or fourth one. Oh, my. So I got one in there. You got one in on that third or fourth time. I got one in on there. Yeah. Yeah. I can't wait. That would be great if I could win one of those. It would be awesome. All right. So they had the big unveiling. They showed it off on Friday. So this just happened. And they had, it was the trailer. It was the, like, 40-minute piece that. Yeah. Yeah. Zach Minion, yeah. For them. Um, they also had a couple of gameplay videos, uh, one with commentary, one without commentary. I kind of like that. So you can just hear the game and then you can actually hear what the person explained what the fuck they're doing. Yep. Um, so have you, have you seen it, Bruce? How much research have you done? I've done a little bit, a little bit. Yep. Okay. That's, that's better than usual for me. Better than usual. So, Beetlejuice Collector's Edition is now, they only have one version, so I don't know what to call it, Collector's Edition. Let's see. How much was this thing? It was $9,999. Yeah, pretty cheap. Same as Evil Dead. Yep. I believe it's $999. Yep. I think they fucked up this time. Oh, you think they could have had more? Oh, yeah. I think we have to start getting off the 1960s and 70s motifs. and we're seeing now you know more popular 80s and 90s stuff being the way to go and they probably could have sold at least 18 1900 with the number that they should yeah the number that they should have had for spooky for scooby which was 1969 well they didn't sell that i know that but they could have probably this time with this thing it seemed like everybody had the old walking hard on for this thing. Yeah, even before it was released. And then when people... Yeah, the phones crashed and everything. The website crashed. They had to take all phone calls. They all had boners. And then when it actually showed it, they popped their boners. Yes. And now we're in the hospital. Yes. Blood loss. Yeah, blood loss. Yeah, it looks quite impressive. It does. It does. It does. Yeah, the topper is humongous. Yeah, humongous. I think the weight of it is like 60 pounds. Yes. I think they looked at Dungeons & Dragons, the Bally, and they looked at Heavy Metal Meltdown and said, like, those toppers are not big enough. We need bigger. Yeah. I will say the topper is top-notch. That is a topper. Yeah, the head moves, the mouth moves in a very scary way. No. How much is that topper? That is, hold on, let me get the information here. I was trying to find that price. It was like $100 more than the Evil Dead topper was. How much was that? I think it was like $1,400, and this is $1,500. So $1,500 for that topper compared to the X-Men topper. No-brainer there, I will say. Let's see. I'm searching for topper on the page here. Topperific. Topper. Let's see. But there is something you get with the topper that you don't get if you don't get the topper. are you aware of this it's something that you always get on lots of people get on stern for you get an extra mode no no no no no no no even worse even worse i'm still trying to find a fucking price god damn it the only thing i'll say is the flyer you know how on flyers they'll have the cool features and they'll list them out. This game has etc. Right? Beetlejuice, their flyer, guess how many features it has? Guess how many lines it has? Because they're numbered. 12? 41. Holy shit. Some of them are like, okay guys, you're kind of reaching here. They're like putting every habit trail as a feature. Yeah, that's one of them. I think the lit flipper buttons is one of the items. It comes with feet. I want to see how fast I can do this, if I can do this quick. I was never really good with the speed talking, but we'll try it. Let's see. LCD screen with official movie cast video and speech assets. Vital interior art blades. Real direct printed back glass. Original hand-drawn art by Christopher Franchi. Custom collector's edition plaque. Custom magnetic display speaker panel art. Integrated RGB speaker kit. Custom cut sandworm. Wait a minute, sandworm. That's right. We have two games with a sandworm. We had a dune that has a sandworm, and now Beetlejuice has a sandworm. Custom-cut sandworm, art powder-coated speaker grills, playfield backboard, RGB LED lighting system, high-gloss illusion people, power-coated laser-cut game armor with matching bill acceptor, ready door. See, even the coin door gets a feature. Multi-layer RGB LED integrated Dante's Inferno room topper, traditional physical knocker and shaker kit, easy slide playfield rail system. What does that mean? I think that's just so when you go back, it doesn't, like, stop, and you've got to shove the thing in, like, on a stern. I'm assuming that's what that means. Officially licensed official sculpts by Batcali Creations. Full-scale sculpted ball-eating sandworm with multi-axis movement. Texture Saturn sand dune shroud. Okay. Raising and lowering sand dune triple target bank. After-like sculpted sofa triple ball lock. Linda Dietz interactive flashing instant camera. Bridge out raising and lowering outlay divider. Okay, here we go. They each got their own. High Gloss Illusion Sour Apple Habitrail. High Gloss Illusion Wild Copper Habitrail. High Gloss Illusion Purple Habitrails. Bridge and Wreck Car Habitrail Cover Sculpt. Motion Lint Beetlejuice Arrow Sign. Interactive Now Serving Backward Sign. Custom Sculpted Stretched Face Adam Maitland. That's a character from the movie, I assume. Custom Sculpted Stretched Face Barbara Maitland. Grave Digging Captive Ball. flashing Beetlejuice coffin shaped stand-up plastic, custom sculpted raising magnetized ball, catching launching Beetlejuice tube stone mech. I'm not done yet. Still a few more. Dual left ramp to afterlife couch mech, custom sculpted Dante's Inferno room, devil's mouth ramp entrance, Dante's Inferno room, motion lit spinning prize left ramp sign, afterlife dual decal spinner. Wow, the spinner gets its own credit. Full RGP LED integrated action and flipper buttons. Four stainless steel ramps color plastic protectors magnetic art package for apron lockdown bar and bill acceptor plate Dildo shooter rock No it doesn actually say that Dildo I made that up Original recording of Day performed by Harry Belafonte and Danny Danny Elfman Beetlejuice theme You think they went a little overboard? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Additional upgrades. Ghost Glass trademarked. Full-color Beetlejuice Coffin Playfield dust cover. Direct print ultra-coated butter cabinet, trademarked. Motorized, RGB-lit, sculpted beetle snake head body with flashing rattle tail and eyes featuring spooky speak technology. Sculpted by special makeup FX designer Gary Tunacliff. But did you hear that last part, Bruce? The spooky speak. Yeah. So the game can listen to you. You say Beetlejuice three times, it turns on. but you only get that functionality if you buy the topper yeah so what do you think about that now everyone gets on stern when they do shit like that well hold on i would buy the topper because of the topper it's not because i'd get this extra thing that topper is fucking awesome that is a $1,500 topper. Not the fucking X-Men one. Not these other cheesy-ass ones. That is a real fucking topper. And I will give... Hold on. Hold on. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. What? Are you applauding? Oh, my God. I gave him the golf clap. You gave him... You just... You gave him the clap. Okay. Yes, I did. And I will say that is a topper. Okay. That is a real topper. Congratulations. Knocked it out of the park. 10 out of 10. Hopefully it's not 3D printed. No, I don't think it is. I know, but everything else on our games are 3D printed. You have that little gun shyness. But, yeah. Well, here's the thing. I was just thinking about this. This is the third game Winona Ryder is in. Yeah. Think about that. Yeah. And she's on the sling in every one of them. I know. Dracula. Yep. Well, protoplastics, whatever. Protoplastics, yes. Still on it. Stranger Things. Mm-hmm. And now this. It must be a tribute. Mm-hmm. Her flings just get me excited. And the one guy that's in this, he was also in Demoman, but I don't think he's in any of the Demoman art, so he can't say he's in two games. The guy, what's his name? Ah, you know, yes, I know who you're talking about. The heavy dude. Yes. Because he was like the bad guy's assistant or whatever in Devilman. Yes. Yeah, this was something. This was something. Yeah, this sold out fast. It moved fast. I think they wish they made more or could sell more. Hey, you just got spooky? Take a page out of Stern. Black and white it. Oh, God. You'll sell another 500. They have the golden eye save again. Yeah, I hate that. Oh, I love it. Plus, they added a cool feature now. Every so many launches, it'll launch the ball directly into the right out lane, and it'll come around, and then the magnet will grab it and throw it back into play for you. Because it's like you died, and now you're in the afterlife. Oh, you're in the afterlife. Yeah, okay. That would be great during the tournament. I don't know if I'd use this game during a tournament. I don't know about the spooky games at tournaments. No, no, no, no, no. But, yeah. Only, what's it called, Deathball gets spooky games at tournaments. But, yeah, then I watched, I mean, the only two things I would say about this game that worry me. One is the lighting. Yeah. And that every video I've seen of this, there's a certain mode or – it just looks like it's these green pulsating lights all the time that don't stop, like full strobe. Now, I'm thinking it's more of a camera issue. Picking it up, but yeah, still it's scary. Yeah, the actual game, but I'd have to see it in person. I agree. That just worries me. um but the other thing was so i watched the gameplay videos with zach our zach our zach and like halfway through the video i'm i'm thinking like zach have you heard any callouts like custom callouts for this game it's like nope i didn't hear any all the sound is from the movie which is fine. And I know in the past I've gotten, especially Jersey Jack, went all there, shoot this, shoot that, shoot this, shoot that, and there's too much of that. Oh, yeah. But I think you've got to have some custom call-outs in this. Because as Zach said watching it, it's like there's parts in this game where there's so much shit going on, you have no idea what's going on. Yeah. It might be good if they had some kind of speech or something. Yeah. Yeah, you can't win them all. You can't. I mean, that would have taken it to a whole different level. Can you imagine if they actually had Michael Keaton as Beetlejuice doing the call-outs? Yeah. You know, like they had Bruce Campbell do them on Evil Dead, which I played that again this past weekend. Did you diddle yourself? Did you diddle yourself while playing it? And it is something to have him just insulting you constantly as he's telling you what to shoot. I can do that to you when you're playing your game. I'm Bruce, too, so it even works better. So what do you think of the actual play field itself, some of the features? I like the back section, you know, with the little repeatable loop thing. You know I like that. Yeah, I have to play it. I'm not going to say bad things, but every spooky just disappoints me lately. Well, here's the thing I noticed. Very nice. If you hit the targets down in front of the sandworm thing and the gate comes down, There are more targets under the sandworm that go down into the play field. I don't know if I've ever seen that before. No, no. There's a couple of cool ideas. I like to play it. But maybe I won't because there's none around to buy. Oh. Oh. So you're saying they should have made more. They should have made more, Bob. It's like Stern was saying, you should have made another game. I told you. With Beetlejuice, we're saying, you should have made more of this game. Hold on. How many years has it been since Beetlejuice has been out? Hold on. Let's look this up. 88. 88. Came out in 88. Okay. So we put out the 40th anniversary to be coming up soon version. It's not soon. It's three years, Bruce. They put it in their back pocket. They do it. 40th anniversary, and they make it all red with black and white play field. I would say they've never done that, though. See, that's kind of their thing. I think they would piss people off if they did. TNA is the only game I think they ever did again. Yeah, there really is. And they never said that was limited. Every other game, we made it and that's it, and they've moved on. Well, you said there's no Bloodsucker? There's no Bloodsucker. Is there no Bloodsucker edition? Oh, yeah, they stopped at all the different editions. Okay, see? So then you can do another Bloodsucker edition. No, no. Yes, you can. Spooky. Do not listen to Bruce. You can do it. Money, money, money, money. Hold on. Cash grabs. You don't need cash grab when you're in Wisconsin and you have, like, what, 20 employees? I don't know how many employees there are. Pay grab. Amish grab. Amish grab. Wait a minute. Is Wisconsin known for the Amish? They do have Amish up there. Yes, they do. I think more Pennsylvania when I think of Amish. Yeah, but there's Amish all over. There's Amish, Ohio. There's Amish all over. Amish grab. Amish grab. Churn some butter. yeah uh we'll see how it goes we'll see how she plays yeah the videos were good showing the game off etc yeah yeah i mean i think this was a great reveal yeah i think they they killed it bro so what's the next game please do beavis and butthead it's never gonna happen No. Oh, well. Yep. Yeah. What else do we have on the docket? All right. So those were the two major game news. I had a – oh, he's like, hold on. Before we go to game news, I had a world-famous person come by. That was the game news, Bruce. But, yes, who is the world-famous person that came to the – We had a world-famous celebrity stop by the RPC. What is that? The Rochester Pinball Collective? Yes, it is. Where is that? That is in Rochester, New York. 349 West Commercial Street in beautiful Rochester, New York. Sweet. $29.65. We had a world-famous pinball celebrity. World-famous. No. Peter North? Nope. Randy West? Harry Reams. World-famous. World-famous. He had to come on a day we were closed because he was afraid of being swamped by everybody. Oh, Teolis? Nope. Nope. Even bigger. Oh, bigger than Teolis? How is that possible? He ran a pinball company. Oh, Jersey Jack was there? No, no. He ran a pinball company. He ran a pinball company. Okay, how many people have run pinball companies? Oh, is it Robert Buehler? No. Oh, that would have been awesome. No, he was in jail. He was in jail. He's still in jail. He's not in jail. He might be under house arrest with the ankle wristband. The Haggis guy. Oh, Damien? Damien. Yeah. No, he wasn't there? No, it wasn't Damien. Okay. Who else? I don't know, Bruce. Come on. Come on, baby. You can do it. You can tell me who you did it. Come on, baby. Oh, Dave Fix was there. Dave Fix was stopped at the Rochester Pinball Collective. That's right, baby. Had to see some games, and I saw some games, and I was surprised how many EMs I had. he was just like wow you've got a lot of ems in there like yes we do yes so we had a world famous pinball person at the rochester pinball collective would have been hilarious if it was robert mueller where's the pin bar at dude yeah that's what i said i would say where's the pin bar and then the old hulk hogan slapping the hands and showing the guns oh i i saw some shit that i like you know i could actually see buying that they're like christmas sweaters oh yeah i saw a lot of you see that they have one the mega powers they have hogan and macho man like oh man i am so tempted to get that the mega powers brother the mega powers are about to explode i'd love that oh yeah i've seen all those cheesy ones that was great i was like oh yeah Okay, back to the news. Tournament time. Tournament time, yeah. Tournament time, yeah. Everybody's listening to tournament time. Tournament time. We had the sanctum 24 hours, which none of us were at this time. No. Because I didn't get in. Boo. You didn't, you didn't, you didn't, you didn't, you didn't. You get in. No. But you would have loved the finish. Yeah. The finish was between Shannon Stafford and Sterling. I'm not even going to try to say his last name. The kid, Sterling. And they tied at the end. At the end of God knows how many rounds, in 24 hours, we had a tie. And at the Sanctum, as in RPC, all ties are decided on the greatest game. And that would be Stars. The official game of the Slamto Podcast. And Shannon won. Yes. Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations. You are the Sanctum Champion. You can go to bed now. You are champion. You are champion. You are champion. The gameplay might not be the best, but God damn, the sound and light show is just on surpass. Okay. What else do we have in tournament talk? Let's see. I even wrote tiebreaker on stars. There was a Star Wars heads-up tournament in California at that Ace Kogi place that they always have them. And the same person who always wins it won it. So who do you think that was? Don't know. Carl. Well, Carl won. Carl D'Python Anghelo won again. Carl D'Python Anghelo won again. They played Star Wars, which I have to say, for all the challenges they had, I actually understood all of them. It's like, oh, okay, I can figure these out. These are easy to figure out. All right. Are you coming out this weekend, Ron? Not this weekend, no. What? I'm not going to your new Rush tournament or whatever. New Rush? Yeah. Sorry. Come on out to new Rush. I already drove like eight hours last weekend. Same as the old Rush. Yeah. They also had a tournament in New York City called Harvest. Yeah, the Harvest. I guess since they don't have the New York City pinball championships anymore, This is their replacement where they can harvest whoppers. Harvest whoppers. I want to know what they were using for the stream because they were going upstairs and downstairs. It's like a bar with two levels. Yeah. And upstairs, downstairs, all over the building, never dropping a frame. Like, what's the secret? I must know. If anyone knows, please contact Ron at the Slamdellpodcast at gmail.com. Well, they went up to, I assume the, I think I've seen his rig before. It's like more like in a tripod thing, so you can bring it so it doesn't roll around. But I'm just amazed how you could not lose signal. Although you'll find this funny, Bruce. I was watching some online bowling, not online bowling, some bowling on YouTube. Okay. Right from Japan. And this is the official, like the Japanese PBA or whatever. and I'm watching the stream and in the background I see I see what looks like the scooned receivers. I'm like, no, it can't be. They can't be using the same shit we use. And then they lost one of the cameras for a second and the scooned screen popped up. Like, oh, they are using it. And it's just about as good as it is when I use it. I thought that was funny. I thought that was funny. So we had, let's see. They had the women's tournament, Anna Wolk won, and then the classics tournament, Levy won. Levy won classics. And then the defending, the reigning and defending New York State champion, Alex. Alex won. The main, Alex Kelly. Congratulations on your victory and your extreme number of loppers. Extreme! Extreme! Let's see, what else? Then there was, well, you know, I'm going to take these out of order. Speaking of Whoppers, we'll just get into this now. There was another tournament. Where was that at? A couple weeks ago. That happened at Flippers. Flippers in North Carolina. This is OBX, the Outer Banks Tournament, which has been going on. They've had this tournament for forever. I mean, at least a decade. Like even pre-COVID, they've been having this tournament. And there was a situation that occurred that caused all kinds of hoo-ha. Yeah, very good. So basically at this establishment, their manager, I guess, the manager. I don't know who the manager is. Well, they kept calling her manager. Yeah. So she does not like trans people. and made it very, very apparent, let's just say. And she chased a trans person out of the women's room with a, you can't use that. And then she tried to say it was like a North Carolina law, which I know they had that law. That wasn't a made up thing, but that was like either what never went actually into effect or it was repealed. No, it was never signed. Yeah, it was never signed. And this was years ago. So whatever. So obviously this caused an issue as the trans players were like, I don't want to go through this shit. What is with this person? And then she was threatening to call the cops, and they didn't want that either. It sounds like the tournament director, at least at the beginning, didn't necessarily do anything. And this is all on the – Then they started contacting people. Yes. So if you want the full story of back and forth, because I really don't want to go into it here, It's all in the pinball kineticist. It's got like the chain of events and all that, including a bunch of background Slack messages, private Slack messages from IP. That's weird. With a bunch of unredacted names. Yeah, that was not good. Yeah, that was like, okay, I don't know about that. But basically, at the end of the day, when the tournament was over, there was discussion about the main thing. safety of the players, what was done wrong. IFPA basically made the decision, or Adam Becker made the decision. I'm surprised it wasn't Josh. That was the weird part. I would think he would have made the final rule. Maybe he wasn't around. You don't know. Well, no. Adam said that Josh gave him the authority to make the final decision. So they decided since it was the IFPA's fault, in their view, they had a complete breakdown that they shouldn't penalize the players who were there so they would still get their whopper points meanwhile people took offense of it yeah the women's advisory board were like what the fuck no they should not have that they should not be getting points because it wasn't an inclusive tournament because you had a whole you know subset of people were not going to play in it because of this one employee oh yeah and the employee they went to the owner and the owner was like i i i can't send her home because she might quit and i guess some people did some research they looked up some like yelp reviews of this place and all of the bad ones are all because of this one person that's the thing yeah so they actually there was a petition also out there because they ifp made the decision nope they're going to get the points so then there was a petition sent out which i'm going to look see how many signatures they got this the signatures are to not give the whoppers for this tournament and it's up to 1353 people so there were 97 people in the tournament so it seems like you would piss off way more by doing going one way as opposed to the other way although i doubt all 1353 these people are actually tournament players or even in ifp i guarantee it or not yes but let's say half of them are yeah i'd say half it easy even if it's 500 just say 500 it's still 500 to 97 people. But when I saw it, I knew IFPA was not going to, they weren't going to change their mind. They're just not. And sure enough, I think two days ago, I saw the points actually were on the IFPA site like they were posted. So, and we just got this news right before we went on that pretty much most of the women's board, or maybe the whole women's board, have all resigned. The women's, the IFPA women's advisory board and they kind of bashed on the way out they kind of said you know this isn't acceptable we're going to take a stand for this and yeah not to get too much into that stuff i want to ask you as a tournament director as a person who is tournament directed something i will never ever want to do and as soon as i read like this it's like yeah this is why i will never ever TD. This is why. This kind of shit. But when you've TD'd, Bruce, it's usually in your own place. So this was a different situation. So say you're in the situation of this tournament director where you have a transphobe employee of the venue you're having this tournament in. It was going after people who want to play in this tournament. What do you do? I would just, first, as the employer to the employee for you're fired done sorry well you can't do that you are the td you are not the owner and the owner the owner didn't want to do anything because he was afraid she would quit no guess what i wouldn't give a shit as the owner i would have fired her right then and there and say guess what sorry yeah but you're not the owner in this case i know so in the td situation i would have froze the tournament and figured out what the fuck was going on instead of Worrying about, don't forget, there's 97 people there, plus more, because I don't know if they all completed their play. You still have, oh, maybe 100 people. Every person counts. I'm sorry. Every person counts in this talk. And if there's one person having a problem or 25 people, it's still a problem. Fix the problem. Pause the tournament. Don't care what happens. You just say, don't start any more games. Once the games are all done, we're going to take an hour break. Sorry, guys. Please. You know, I would then talk to the owner, say, hey, offer everyone a drink for free. Let me figure out what the fuck's going on here because of your employee. Then I would go find out what the hell happened and then turn around and say to the person who owned the bar, if I wasn't the owner, this needs to be rectified. If you can't change this rectification, we're stopping right now. I'll refund everyone their money, and guess what? We're done. And then you lose out, and then guess what? You'll probably never have a tournament here again. Well, they will never have a tournament there right now. I know, but I'm saying you have to be the threat of that. And it's one person who's being affected or multiple people being affected. As a TD, and going by the rules of IFPA, you have to take everyone equally. you know imagine if it was a guy being picked on by women same thing yeah i yeah i wouldn't imagine that but but but guess what it can happen and guess what i would still be the same way any way it happens it's still not right fix the problem pause the tournament if it doesn't fit fixed to the way you're liking it as a td stop the tournament. What happens if you have the other 80 or whatever people like, hey, I pay for travel. Sorry. This is an equality thing. If they were on the other shoe, I think they would be upset also. It's an equality thing. It is. I feel that way. Because if someone was making fun of me and that kind of stuff and I didn't like it, I would hope somebody would say something and stand up for me. That's what a TD is there for. Did some people drop the ball? Yes. Probably weren't prepared for that kind of stuff. I don't think anybody's prepared. And the problem is you have more people than possibly you're used to. Maybe you have more people where you know a comment can go a long way or a saying can go a long way and one person might take and compare what the other person saying it that happens but you address it you fix it you take it as soon as you're aware of it you go find the problem and figure it out you give a warning you give a yellow card if it's that bad where it's really bad you give a red card that's what you do if it's an employee of a place like what they had and i was running the tournament there and i had 97 people there i say you fix it this way or we all walk out and guess what no one will ever want to do a tournament here at your pinball establishment ever again yeah and they're like it's they are banned for a year right now yeah minimum yeah they want to ask and they wanted to be a circuit event that didn't happen yes that ain't happening now that's how you have to handle it things happened yes totally agree it was done wrong all around but don't penalize people for i don't know how to say it properly without pissing off somebody and i'm gonna piss off anybody yeah go right ahead that's what you do i guess what it was not handled properly Right off the bat. By TD, I know Kevin. Nice guy. Sweetheart of a guy. Great person. He doesn't want to have anybody have a bad time. Not handled right. IFPA, not handled right. I'm sorry. It wasn't. Yeah, I guess the whole issue with the IFPA is they had one of the people involved was an IFPA official. Yeah. And there was some kind of – they knew they were having this issue Friday, and then there was a message sent later that said, we're all set. and that was the whole thing what the person who wrote the message who said we're all set their meaning of what they thought that meant was a lot different than what they really meant what they really meant and what everyone took it as like okay the situation is taken care of yeah of course when it wasn't no they took it as all set means like you know we yeah we took care of it it's it's all it's all set and that's not the right way you what they need to do was literally and that was But that was the basis of the decision because of that. And then this didn't get addressed until later. They didn't want to penalize the players who were there and, yeah, all that. What you need to state, and it's a hard thing also because you're going to penalize because the tournament did continue. It did continue and it did complete. So now it is 97 people who got, you know, will get boned. And honestly, I would have refunded some of the money back to every single person. That's how I would have handled it first. Sorry, guys. You know, this happened. Maybe even refund all the money. And you don't have payouts. I would just say. And if you're listening to this, folks, and saying, like, oh, would Bruce really do that? When we do tournaments, if there is a person who's being an issue, everyone else goes to Bruce and says, Bruce, can you talk to someone? Can you handle this? There is a big advantage of having an asshole on your side. Yes, there really is. And guess what? I will go, and the thing is, I will listen to both sides. I have no problem. I'm very neutral when it comes to a lot of fucking things in this world. Because I own the bar. I know how everyone has a different thing. But when I hear everyone's story, I will then make my decision. And I think everyone who knows me, I usually make the right decisions. And I did, I thought, you know, a couple times in the past. And I stand by my... Except about the games you like. That's your little iffy on. But yeah. You like... Look at the ones you like. Yeah. Like Dialed In. Great games like that. Star Wars. God. You're 0 for 2 already on your pick. You are. Sorry. But that's what has to happen. For me, I wouldn't have gave the points. If I was the head of IPA. because now here's what you've done now with this whole situation oh yeah you've had you've had multiple people say they're suppressing themselves yes like you have multiple people now who don't even want to have ifpa yes now i know i know what josh will say because he always you know you don't need ifpa to have tournaments you can have very great you know great fun tournaments without the ifpa and he has said that in the past yes he has and guess what he's right he's totally right but Sometimes I think you need to walk back stuff and look at it again, and they're not going to do that. I don't think they will. There's no way. Guess what? A lot of mistakes were happened. Unfortunately, I feel the extreme of the women's board all quitting. I don't think that's good for pinball at all. It's not. And I think they should have been listened to more. and maybe there should be you know voting in you know for board members of yeah we always say it's a dictatorship and it is it is because guess what it's a private organization that's fine if you want a public organization where they have that kind of stuff guess i'm going to tell you right now what probably half the people are going to tell you make your own league that's it i'm going to be totally honest that's what probably will happen I think one of the biggest leagues in the country is the New Robert Englunds League. I don't think they're IPA. No, they're not. They're not at all. Yeah. The other thing, you pissed off – the people you pissed off, what is the biggest area in the country for whoppers? It's the Northwest. Yeah, Washington. Yeah. What is one of the areas that you'll be most pissed about an incident like this? Oh, yeah. Yeah. But what do you feel? Now, you saw my view. Yep. And I guarantee you probably agree with my view. But what do you feel of the response? You haven't said anything, so I'm trying to give you an answer, and I don't want to speak for you also. I think that TD didn't want to deal with it. Yep. And, you know, it's like, I just want to run a fun tournament. I don't want to do this shit. That's what everyone wants to know. Because literally that's what I would have been saying to myself if I was in this situation. but you can't do that in this case. You have to stop. Luckily, if you have enough people helping you with the tournament, like I do at the RPC, I'm able to be the asshole. I really am. And then other people can run the tournament, and we figure it out. But if it was so bad like this, I think I would have said, Zach, stop the last game. Just stop the entries. you know that's it yeah and we'll figure this out yeah we'll go in the back room we'll talk about this we got to figure this out everyone's like well now we need a code of conduct rules i'm like well not for nothing at the rpc our employees wouldn't be like this because that's all really started it was the employee that started it yeah this was literally one fucking person exactly that's that's it that's all it took to fuck all this up and it wasn't even anyone involved with the tournament no it was just a bar made maybe running the place maybe the bar manager yeah they kept calling her the manager so i assume so i don't know i've had ruffled ruffled employees where they were assholes to some of my customers and guess what eventually literally they're gone i i've got rid of my my head bartender twice two different ones gone see you later well good and guess what you'd see a dip but guess what everyone is equal everyone some people might not agree with my comments guess what if it was you on that shoe I think you would feel differently. Now don't tell me, oh, it's like a bad pinball call. No, it's nothing like a bad pinball call where you got ruled against you. It is life for people. Treat it as if it was against you. That's all. Yeah, like if I came in there and they were like, oh, you like dialed in? No, we can't. We don't let anyone. We can't have you here. We don't like anyone. We don't let anyone who likes dialed in on this tournament. No, no. Hold on. How about Star Wars? I can definitely go into Star Wars one. But you know what I'm saying. You have to take care of every single person. And that's what I go for. And I've had problems at the RPC. I've had problems at my own place. I deal with it. I'm not going to be shy. I will go right to each person, get the side of the story, and then talk to them. I will give everyone the benefit of the doubt even. But I will also say to them, if it's really bad, you've got to leave. Sorry. I'll even say, here's your money back. I'll even pull out $20 or $40 out of my pocket. Here's gas money to go home now. Or if you're staying with another person, here's some money so you can go do something else. Just everyone else matters. Get a garbage plate, but you're out of this tournament. Yeah, you're out of this tournament. But, you know, I have no problem giving yellows and reds. Sorry. And that's the way it should have been handled. And I feel like somewhat the IFPA management, they got bad information in the beginning. And then they stuck with the original ruling. Like they would in a tournament. I think they're acting almost like it's a tournament thing. Like, yeah, this is the information we had then. And we can't retroactively give ourselves – it's almost like if you had a malfunction, like, well, I didn't see the malfunction. So I have to stand here and actually see the malfunction to make the call. It is – when you say it that way, it is very similar. It is very similar. I just thought about that. I was like, boy, it does seem like that. And maybe this time you said it. Maybe for something like this, it shouldn't be decided that way. Here's even what I would have done for IFPA. I would have said, guess what? you get half points. I'm sorry. This is a major mistake. We handled this wrong. Everyone handled this wrong. And for every person who joined, for the rest of the year, you don't have to pay your dollar. It comes into a dollar from some, you know, from some, we paid a dollar. Ah. That's how you get it done. I mean, if they, because they're sticking with the line that they failed. So if they fail. That's how you should say it. Like, guess what? You 97 people plus the people who didn't get to play. Next year, your dollar is on us for every tournament you join. That would be interesting trying to keep track of that, though. Guess what? You have to. I'm sorry. You have to. You have to think of everyone in that tournament. You're taking the dollar, right? Yeah. You got to be responsible the other way. I know it's hard. I know it's impossible. And guess what? This was a no-win situation for everyone involved. It's like the Kobayashi Maru. The Kobayashi Maru of situations. I hope, I'm going to say this to everyone too also, I hope no TD ever has to go through this again. Please, just get along. if you're a tournament director or you want to be a tournament director put on the put up put on your pants and let's get going because you got to do some hard stuff and just you got to say do you go guess what if you're a tournament director just think of one thing what would bruce do and how could you be the best asshole you had to be that's how you have to act because, you know, it's just, it's a shame. It really is. And this person went there just to play pinball. If you can't just play pinball anywhere, maybe that place shouldn't be doing what they're doing. And they've lost their chance for a year, and it's under stipulation that other things also change too. Do you think the tournament director should be penalized more? Besides the place, the tournament director. I know Kevin. What kind of penalty would you put on a TD? Is he allowed to have a tournament for any tournament for a year? If you couldn't handle one time, let's say this isn't going to happen again. I'm doing the extreme stuff now. Yeah, you're going extreme. I am. Extreme! but you know if they're afraid to say one thing one time do you think they're gonna stand up now and say it or they hope that it doesn't happen again yeah no i'm being totally honest you know you have to make a stand and as a business owner a business owner with the person who hired this person and let them, I can't do anything. I would have been like, guess what? Whatever your name is, I'll just say, Exhibit A, there's the door. Your check will be in the mail in a week. If you don't like it, I'll call the cops. He's worried more about, here's what the problem was. And I'll say exactly this. Maybe down there it's a little different. Oh, yeah, the transcontingent were worried. When she said she was going to call the cops, like they didn't want the cops to show up there. No, of course. Because they don't know what's going to happen. Exactly. So, but as the bar owner who knows probably half the people in the bars that normally are there for 360 days otherwise, maybe they are a little against that. And maybe they're afraid of if I fire this person, I'm going to lose 22 people in my bar normally. And that can happen. That means for the five days you have your pinball tournament there, and you're going to act all nice and so pretty and everything's all hunky-dory, but in the other 360 days you're condoning other things that are bad for people, that ain't good. That's not right. And that's why you don't deserve to be that. Your actions and everyone else's actions. And if it was me as the bar owner, you know what I'd have done first? You're fired. Second, I would have brought the person back in, apologized profusely, said, I am so sorry for this. Guess what? Your tournament entry, here's the money out of my own pocket. You did not deserve it. You're still playing. First, here's the money back. And drinks are on me. And drinks and food for the whole weekend is on me. I'm so sorry. That's how I would have handled it. And it probably wouldn't have been enough. but it's at least an honest reaction to fix the problem instead of saying oh i can't fire you know that is the worst reaction you can say that's all i got drop the mic ah yes uh there was another tournament that occurred wow that was a long turn of a talk past times yes that's where i was this past weekend at the past times at the past the past it's past now it was me zach uh pinball princess steph rob yeah rob and zach the uh bitch twins as i called them in the previous episodes were they bitching there uh of course they were everyone yeah they're equal opportunity bitchers okay so it's just as your place yeah so the first day friday this is this is a past times arcade which is rob burke's place yes which i love going there just to play all the video games i got to play more zookeeper they still have the freaking dragon's lair on the super hard mode where it's like impossible to get through yeah but advantage is on super hard mode it fucking sucks it's because it will randomly certain boards will just have different move patterns you have no idea what they are when they come up. Yep. It's crazy. So the first day they have, Friday they have the strikes tournament. Yes. And our very own Rob from RBC, he finished third. Yes. He killed it. Killed it. Me and Zach didn't, yeah, we didn't do anything. Yeah. And Steph. I took a bunch of strike early and kind of held on for a while and then was out. You just keep me hanging on. Then, Saturday's the big mega match play. 20 rounds. Mega match play. 20 rounds. Started at 11. I think it was done by 10 or 11. Wow. It went good. I mean, it went pretty fast. Well, as Zach said, not as fast as the RPC. Whatever. Whatever. We can never. I like to say that. Whatever. We can never. We can never. Yeah. Yeah, because RPC. So, whatever. but yeah I got into a situation myself where with three rounds left I knew I wasn't in it was top 32, get all the finals and I was A restricted so I had to get in the top 32, I was screwed and I knew I wasn't in and I had to do something so I finished first in the 18th round first in the 19th round in my group and then the 20th round Before the 20th round starts, you know I don't like to look at the standings and stuff. I hate to look at the standings. And then you go, hey, all you need is to be in first this time. I was upstairs where they had the streaming thing, and they were showing the leaderboard. And I saw it at the corner of my eye. I see my name at like 31, 32, like right on the bubble, which is actually, that's where I thought I was going to be. So the final game, randomly selected, was Galaxy. Like, oh, old Stern. Thank God. All right, maybe we can do something. And yes, I won. I finished first and got in. Yes. And Zach got in. I don't think Rob and Steph did not get in. No, they did not. Then the finals, I always say if I can get past the first round, usually I go pretty deep. I did not get past the first round. The first round, no. How did Zach do? I was third on Iron Maiden. and then I was first on roller games, of course. Rock, rock, rock, roller games. Then the third game, the EM, was this game called Hit the Deck. Yeah, I heard. Which everyone was picking because I guess the whole thing about this game is you just hit it in the top left and try to get it in the candy cane. It's basically like the grotto from Playboy, but there's pop-up in the way, so you just try to get it in this thing, and if you can get in there a bunch of times, you win. Yay. Yay. I played first? Was I first? No, I was second. Or no, was I first? I'm trying to remember. No, no, no. You're always first in my mind. No, I was second. So the first player gets like 130K. Oh, boy. So then I'm up, and I played. Like, I didn't have house balls or anything. I played a decent amount of time, but it would not go in the fucking candy cane. It wouldn't go in the grotto. I went in once in five balls and ended up with 70K. Like, oh, well, I'm out. I'm done. Next player gets 130K. Next player, player four, he gets it in there three times on the first ball. And he's already like 50K after ball one. Like, oh, okay. Yeah, so fuck you, hit the deck. And everyone was picking that too, I guess, because it was, you know, it's pretty easy to explain. Yeah, you hit it up here and try to get it there. That's it. Like, okay. And it just didn't happen for me. How did Zach do? He finished eighth. Nice. Yeah, he got money and points and stuff. Money, money, money, money. Yeah. Money. And because he got eliminated when he did, we left, and we got back at a reasonable time, even after a four-hour drive. Wow. Yeah, it was very good. And you picked up a game. Yes, yes. Super straight. I picked up from, were there any leg bolts or head bolts or anything? No. No. No. The key. So it has the key in the coin door. That worked. And then there was the second key inside the coin door. Like, okay, that's got to be for the backbox. Nope. Didn't work. So it's like, okay, maybe it's the coin door one. Nope. Nope. Didn't work. Womp womp. So I had to drill that out. Yeah. Already drilled out and replaced. Wow. Looking good. What efficiency. Yep. And I changed the coin door lock to my usual lock. Okay. Yep. And I got to meet Zach's two foster cats. Yes. Beast and Snake. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I could be a cat person. Nah. I don't mind them, but, you know. I don't mind. These were friendly cats. Yeah, they're very friendly cats. They are. And they were very needy. Like, the one wouldn't let me go to bed. Oh, my. I made the mistake. I made the mistake. He went in the bedroom when I had the door open. He jumps up on the bed. He wasn't getting off. It's like, okay. So I pet the thing, and he just purred forever. And it's like, okay, I got to go to bed. Like, nope, not moving. So I just, like, I go under the covers. Like, okay, maybe he'll move eventually. Nope, he just lays next to me. Aw, you found a friend. So I'm like, maybe when Zach, like, goes to bed and makes noise, he'll, you know, go to see what's going on. And that's what he did. As soon as Zach started coming up, boom, he bolted off. I ran in behind him and shut the door. There. But yes. So, good times had by all. Yes. That's one thing about... And this weekend we have a pinball tournament. Yes. You're celebrating Rush's return to the road. Yes. And we have our... We'll see Ron out next time before his surgery at the Star Wars. Star Wars. Unless it snows. Star Wars. Unless it snows. Unless it snows. Unless it snows, but it won't snow because it's Star Wars. I did make a note to bring Zach's money. Yeah, good. I totally forgot to bring Zach's money from the Scooby-Doo. Fucking awesome. He's at my house picking up game cards. Bring the money? He's like, oh, fuck. That's in my safe. Like, oh, yeah. No, totally did not bring the money at all. Nope. Nope. That's fucking awesome. What else did I have here? I had this note. I noticed this when I was watching the Star Wars Heads Up Challenge. Star Wars! They had the Winchester game on there. And I was just watching. No one was playing it during this one part. And I was just looking at the attract mode. And I realized how much I like a really good attract mode. What do you think are some of the better attract modes? Or do you not care or pay attention at all? Star, I mean Black Knight 2000 You like Black Knight 2000? I think one of the first Really good at track modes Although now be considered super simple Would be the original Black Knight I think probably because System 7 More horsepower And it's the first one I remember that has the sweeping Effects Like the sword comes up But the whole thing sweeps all the way across What I would What I really do miss Is actually like music after the the game over Spider is the best one for that Wow wow wow Wow wow wow Wow, wow, wow. Wow, wow, wow. That is the best. That's what I miss. You don't hear that as much anymore. You'll get a space, that kind of stuff. Even next generation space, the final frontier. These are the voyages. I loved the TNA ones. Yes. Because it was all RGB lights, but it wasn't. Yeah, for you, it's light shows during the thing. I actually prefer the exit, you know, the end of the game ones. Those are my oh-my-godders. But I notice at least perils of fun. I like the Labyrinth one looked nice. The Winchester one looks nice. The Dew one looks nice. So whoever's doing their track modes, good job. Good job. Keep up the good work. What I don't like is when they do the full rainbow Skittles when they go crazy. Some of them are just like, yeah. Yeah, they're like, no, don't do that. Wasn't that a thing like you could control? It was a setting on Wizard of Oz? Yeah, I think so, yeah. They had one that's like the full rainbow clown one, and then they have the one that's like more like sweeping, old-school type. Yeah. Yeah. Clown puke or non-clown puke? That is the question. I also had a note here. He was at the tournament. I congratulate him. Congrats to Kevin Maddy. He's working for Multimorphic now. Oh, wow. In addition to his own job. It's like nobody just works for the pinball company. I know. So, yeah, he's going to be doing, I guess, like marketing or promotional stuff for them. I mean, he streamed their last umpteen new games. Like he's gone down to Texas and streamed them there. So it makes sense. Golly! You're out of Texas and you're out for fun! Here's a Whataburger! Interesting enough, they had I'm also getting this from Nap They had a tour Of the Barrels of Fun Factory And I thought it was interesting that they had You said how many dunes they've made so far They've made Let's see, where did he say They have built approximately 350 dunes so far And they're going to be wrapping up In January with dune So there's no way they're making 1,000 dunes. No. Nowhere even close. Nope. Mr. Inept did some math, and he's coming up with maybe 500 to 600 max. Yeah, which isn't good. And they had labyrinths there, like in shelving above everything, like 60 or so labyrinths. So in addition to the ones that distributors would still have. Not good. Maybe they're not selling as much as everyone thinks they are. I think they sold it. I think a lot of stuff was timing, too. Dune was hurt by Alpha Code. Yeah. And the timing. Kong came out at the same time. Yep. You know, that did not help. No, no, no. Like we said, I still stand by if Winchester wasn't out and Dune was revealed at Expo, like in its current state. Yeah. Like they had a spike of Dune sales after Expo because people finally got to play it. And they're like, wow. And they're like, holy shit, you know, I know Winchester's here, but damn, this Dune. Look at the sandworm. It eats the ball. It does this. Like, this is awesome. Yep. I just thought that was interesting. Hey, Rocky. Again. Again. Okay. We're coming to the whole stretch. We got either repairs or the ball bag. You decide. We can do repairs. Repairs. What you got? uh i lost the slit well first uh the gate broke on medieval madness so i had to replace the gate next day i i had to order gate now that's a fucking ripoff now the gates used to be like 50 60 bucks now they're a buck 29 wait 50 wait they used to be 50 60 bucks now they're a buck 29 yeah 129 129 dollars i was about to say they went down to a buck 29 no no it's what do you mean gate then Not just a wire gate like something else? No, the gate. The gate for the castle. Oh, the gate. The actual gate. Yeah, broken half. I'm thinking one-way gate. No, no, no. So replace that. Then next day I get a ticket on again. The switch for the boat broke. Oh, man. It's hard hitting that castle over and over. The wire broke. Put that on. Then I go back into it again. They're like, oh, now the left slingshot doesn't work. And then I had to reseat one of those daughter boards for the coils because this is a – Remake. Remake. Yeah, the remake, and it worked fine again. They just get tarnished a little bit, and there's not a great connection. So other than that, yep, Medieval Madness is up and running. I still have not had – I haven't had – trust me. My life is pretty fucked. Ron knows this now. And, yeah, I haven't had much time to do Medieval Madness. No, he hasn't. But he has several Ken Griffey Jr. rookie cards. They're all gone. Oh, no. All gone. Oh, no. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. All gone. Oh, okay. All gone. Bye-bye. That's what I remember most about what you showed me. It's like, well, Ken Griffey's doing your rookie cards. Yeah, gone. All gone. But I saved you the box of the special ones, Ron. Special ones? The dolls. Oh, okay. Yeah, I saved the box for you for that. You know which ones I'm talking about, right? I think so. Yeah. so uh yes uh so i have not had much other time repairing except for at the rpc we still rotation eight is still a fucking disaster right now we might put that in the back it's not worth it it's not worth it in my mind so we're at the probably figure out what's going on me and zach are probably to pull it in the back and to start but it's a good table anyway so right now it's just a table yeah that's true it's just a table it is big it is a big table and that's about it for me on repairs uh how about you i just had to drill out that lock wow did you put it together and play it uh no it needs yeah i gotta go through the whole game um i'll say it looks better in person than the picture because the picture oh yeah the pictures the one insert looked like it was worn away or something it had to just be the flash or something because when i looked at And it's like, wait a minute, all these inserts look fine. Yeah. It has a little planking, but, you know, not bad. Yeah, it looks good to me. Yeah, so I... Everything is there, and yeah. So hopefully at Stomp next year we'll... Oh! Oh! Oh? Stomp dates are confirmed now. We just voted on it yesterday. Yeah, I had people asking me when Stomp was going to be, and I did give them those dates. Yep. So it is the 24th, 25th, 26th. I said the weekend before Allentown. So hopefully I said that right. You did. Yes, I did. We'll be releasing the information for the tournaments. I think we're talking the beginning of December, and then I think tickets go on sale December 15th. We're talking. All right. And it will be a limited cap. No, a limited cap. You mean it'll be capped. Well, a limited cap because we still have to take away the past winners. So there's even a smaller cap in the beginning until – you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, I understand, but just the term limited cap. It is a limited cap. It's another Bruce-ism, I think. It's a limited cap. Okay. So every X winner gets an extra 15 days. They have to pay by the 31st of December before your spots go back into their regular pool. Yay. So April, come on up. Come on down. Come on over, depending on where you are. Yes, up, down, left, or right. Yep. Come play at RPC. Are you ready for the ball back? We're up to 82 games. Yeah, 82 games. Holy shit. And there's talk of bringing it up to 88. Wow. Without moving one piece of equipment. No, we were moving equipment, but one piece of wall. We don't move any walls. Are you ready for the ball back? I am always ready to let go of the ball bag. Okay. So this is the male ball bag, our trademarked segment. Yes. I heard my – I was talked about again on the – on that Australian slash Canadian podcast. Oh, you were? I was. I haven't listened to it myself because I've been just – Ah. Beyond the shit show of shit shows. I like when they mention the bathroom code. I know. For our PC. It's been out 3492. 3492. This is from Todd. Hey, Todd. It says, Ron and Bruce, I love your podcast. It's the best out there. Woo! Woo! I can't remember when we were trying to think of names of Gary's new boat. Gary Stern. Yeah. His new boat. He says, I can't believe you guys did not use the obvious names for Gary's new boat. Cash grab! Or whatever game's on the line. On the line. That's exactly what just came to my mind. Whatever game's on the line. That would be a long name. Cash grab is good, though. Yes. Yes. On my boat. And you know how some boats have, like, horns on it? Like, you remember the horn from Caddyshack on the boat? Sorry, that was the car. But, yeah, you just have, like, cash grab. Actually, it would have to be the cash grab if it's the boat. We're going to go on my boat, the cash grab. The cash grab. All right. Let's see. This next one's from Jeff. Subject line is cash, cash, cash. Cash, cash. It must be a theme now. All right. I know the answer now in hindsight is always looking at, oh, I know the answer now in hindsight is always ask for cash up front. Yes. That being said, I just sold my pen to a nice woman who was buying it for her boyfriend's birthday. She came in to look at it at my house and gave me a cash deposit. She also ordered a board for it from Germany, and when it came, brought it to my house, and I installed it. Well, today was delivery date. I brought it to her house and set it up. When it came time to pay, the Venmo circus started. Uh-oh. Trying to link one card or another, and she couldn't get any Venmo sent. So she wrote a check, and I wasn't 100% happy, so I asked for collateral and ended up taking her driver's license. She said she's going to come by my house tomorrow with cash. It was a headache and a weird situation to be in, especially with the pin already set up in her house. Yeah, before we do anything, before even getting to your house, here's the game. You see me brought it here. Let's talk cash. What would you guys have done in that situation, aside from not getting into that situation and ask for cash up front? Take all the boards out of it. There you go. Bruce, just take all the boards out of it. There's your coffee table. Depending on how knowledgeable they are, you could just pull the live views. Yeah. They're not going to know. Yeah, but they'll find somebody to come, can you fix my bitmobile and save the stuff from this guy? Yeah. All right. Thank you. Let's see. Next we have, this is from Cole. Subject, dear God, no. Okay. What's up, oh, ask someones. Let's get out of the way now. Super Bowl Chronicles can no longer be found on TPN. Just go to your favorite podcatcher and look it up. And, yes, you can check out our latest episode on Sonic. What a coincidence. I picked up a Super Straight, which is one of the two best Sonic EMs. I have the other one, Prospector. An RPC can be found at 349 West Commercial Street, East Rochester, New York, suite 2965, bathroom code 2349. No, 34. Oh, it's 3492. Oh, what is it again, Bruce? 3492. 3492, all right. There, now that is done. As for your question as whether you should do video, for the love of all that is holy, no. Bruce would instantly get banned as he would all of a sudden yell out the Harry Potter spell Erectus Maximus. Erectus Maximus! Jump off to show he is not wearing pants, start swinging his junk like an airplane propeller, oh, like Ric Flair, and start yelling, suck it, Spooky, give me a manual. Nobody needs to see that. One could only imagine what he would do for the email of the ball bag. Just plop it right on the screen cover. You see little wiry hairs and everything. I'm happy. I love this guy. You know why I love this guy? I'm able to swing it around. Uh-huh. As for doing karaoke and having Zach sing, that would have to be a hard pass. I would rather listen to a full album of William Shatner doing covers. It will have more emotion in it. Wow. Wow. Wow. Speaking of Zach, him having a cat is perfect. He will be like the old lady down the street with 20 of them in like, what, five to ten years? Wow. Are there any takers on this time pool? Wow. Wowzers. Talk about singing. All the music machines that have come out, I can't believe there's not a Black Sabbath one. I mean, there's two Kiss machines for fuck's sake. I would have to be old Black Sabbath with Ozzy, though. Doubt it will ever happen, especially now that he is gone. Would be awesome, though. It would have to have Satan figure and a bat on it. Play the new Star Wars and like it better than the turd Dwight Coated. yes still not great though i love how we get like 10 out of 8 out of 10 people agree with me on that always still not great though what cracks me up is comparing the premium and le models neither one shoots the death star shot worth a shit yep i guess that rebels just weren't meant to blow up the death star no man i hear more stuff about that is that hard to hit the death star it is bad oh Oh, yeah. Wow. You are correct, Ron. Just impacted on the surface. Hey, hey. Raymond, you're doing the code. Get that quote. You need that quote. You do that every time it fails. Just, oh, negative, negative. It didn't go in. Just impacted on the surface. Beautiful. We just made the game even better. They probably don't have an entrance switch. Oh, yeah. I want Stern. Everybody, bring back entrance switches. No one uses them now. What I mean is, in the old days, like in a Williams game, you would have an entrance switch at the beginning of the ramp, and then you would have the complete switch, like when you knew it made all the way up. That way you could do cool sound effects. Even Gottlieb did it, like on my surfing safari. If I hit a ramp and it doesn't make it, it literally says, oh, no. Oh, no. You can't do that now because they only have the complete switch. One switch, yeah. Come on. Let's do this. Let's do it. So if you had that extra switch, you could literally do that callout every time. You hit it, and it didn't go in the Death Star. Yep. You are correct, Ron. Stay on target. He's saying I'm correct. You are correct, Ron, and that is an Imperial Walker. If you can't call it that, then it's an AT-AT, not an A-T-A-T. You don't say the letters. Imperial Walkers are in the base. Imperial Walkers are in the base. You don't say the letters like you were an STD. People who say it the wrong way. People who say it that way are the ones like Jar Jar Binks, who should have been shot instantly. No, it's like the people who like Espen the magazine. As for Predator, it would have been better to blur out Arnold's face like the TV show How to Catch a Predator instead of cutting it out. I guess it's good that Trudeau didn't make it as a helicopter would have been white with blacked-out windows. Kids, you want some ice cream? Come on in. You got some candy? I got some candy taped to my thigh. Yeah. Oh, Chris, come on. Oh, that's terrible. On a non-pinball-related topic, here we talk about Mattingly made me smile. Nah, Donnie Ball. As a lifelong San Francisco Giants fan, we loved him being the manager of the Dodgers. He made some of the dumbest calls that cost his team. We were all sad when he left. The only thing that made it okay was that they had their analytic morons make the calls after him. Unfortunately, the Giants hired one of their analytic morons to run the club for five years and made the Giants unwatchable. Thank God they got rid of his ass and Posey's in charge. yeah also unfortunately the dodgers stopped listening to those same morons and won the world series again yes jay's got kind of screwed and killed themselves damn it yes one of you hey one of your hold on one of your sick stds call him oh my god man he's sick i hope you get better yeah god you can take to venezuela for that thing uh yeah sorry toronto I loved it I did Love that I wanted to see Bangley get a ring Nope He got a ring He gets a ring No he doesn't Yes he does They both get rings It's just not a Championship ring Yeah you need a Championship ring Nope Nope he got a ring Okay next one's From Kristen Says hi again Noble nerds Oh my hello Yes sent us An email last time What a delightful Surprise it was to be included in your ball bag on the October 30th episode. You had us in stitches, especially when you're trying to pronounce Sonoma County. Did I say it right this time? I think I said it right. Well, according to the rules of magic, you did call out Adam's name three times. So voila, here he is. If you want to talk about pinball and the periphery with us in the future, please holler back. Live long and prosper. May the force be with you, et cetera, et cetera. I see your Schwartz is as big as mine That's from the Rewind Arcade Ah welcome I'll leave that one in the Non-filed section for now That's the ultimate section To be in Hardly any emails there And that empties out the ball bag Hey if you want to be on our show Do you want to join the calamity Come on down and give us your name and give us a story. If we pick you, you get to pick Ron. You need to make a video and say why you should be on our show, just like Batman 66 Super L.E. Exactly. You need to make a video, but you don't want to see me on a video. Oh, man. Yeah, if you want to join us, come on. We're looking for people to say hi and come on. He said come on. All right. This has been episode 259. Yes, it has. I think this was a good one. Yeah, I think so. Good conversation here. Oh, hold on. Let me look at my notes. It's plug time, right? Plugs. Plugs. My other podcast, Silver Ball Chronicles. Check it out. Sonic or Seagasa. Come on, Bruce. What? Sorry. I was perfect. Sorry. You know the Super Straight actually had the Sega goodie bag in it? Really? Yeah, you had it. That's the bag that was stapled on the inside. It says Sega on it. I had the same thing on my prospector, so they both came with the bag. What are the chances? Yeah, that's pretty rare. What do I got here? Website email info. Oh, yes. If you want to email us, we can reach you. You want to join the show. You want to comment on the show. You want to see anything. We're up for your conversations. Come on down. slam tilt podcast at gmail.com that's slam tilt podcast at gmail.com you can check out our website slam tilt podcast.com at the upper right hand corner all our links are there you can check out our twitch or youtube or everything everything you can think of ladies and gentlemen everything uh hello to everyone in the cluster of uck hi zach pinball princess and hi i just saw steve Hi, Steve. Final bonus. Hi, Jeff. Hi, Jeff Tealeth and Ryan Thay. Yeah, when I was at Bruce's, the dog that hates everyone, I was talking to her like Bob Ross. Yeah, and she still didn't like you. She barked at you. I'm sorry that you don't like anybody. She does not. You can bark at anyone you want in your world. And she barely ever barks. That's the funny thing. She only barks at people who come to the house. Yeah, she's not a friendly dog to anyone else. Except my wife. My wife, she loves. She tolerates me. She tolerates you now? No, she tolerates me. Like, if I came home today, I got home a little earlier than my wife. I get home, bring the mail in, that kind of stuff. Open up the gate, because we keep her in the kitchen. She stays in the kitchen. I can be out eating a steak sandwich in the living room. She will not come out. If I'm sitting there dangling beef in front of her, she still will not come out. As soon as my wife comes in, opens the door, garage, you know not barking but she's like mommy's home she'll come out and then bug me for the food i don't want to be around bruce when he's dangling beef yes my beef is always dangling in the house it's like a lot meat locker in here maybe a little shrivelage all right i think uh i think that's it uh really that's it yes so this has been episode 259 we said all our stuff uh until next time see y'all later Say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Jason Foss. We'll be right back. Oh my Oh my Oh my Oh my All right. Me, me, me, me, me. Me, me, me, me, me. All right. She's going down on me, me, me, me, me. Me, me, me, me, me. Why must you always take it to the bottom? Oh, you're out of the sea? He's going down on me. Would that be better?