Welcome everybody to Kaneda's Pinball Podcast. It's your host Kaneda. I'm back from Las Vegas still recovering. I feel like each day you spend in Vegas you need a week after to recover. So three days in Vegas in three weeks you'll be back to normal. So what is happening in the pinball world? We all are anxiously awaiting this James Bond stream. The moment of truth. Will this James Bond machine be worth it? Now Stern has been uploading a bunch of clips on Facebook and we're seeing more and more and more movie footage which is really good news. And if you are a fan of this franchise, that's what you want to see. You know, I've been thinking a lot lately, what do we really want in a pinball machine? And look, not just at these price at any price, we want a pinball machine based on a theme we love. We want it to shoot really well. We want it to have rewarding code. We want it to have memorable moments, but we also want to see the theme integrated properly. And looking at all this footage, I think it gives a lot of James Bond fanatics out there a lot of hope that this thing is going to be jam packed with assets. But the real question is this, are we going to see and you The Big Lebowski is one of the greatest theme integrated pinball machines of all time. and it's why I told Barry and I'll say this to you right now I told Barry I'm gonna get one I want one and don't stop making them until there is one for Canada so you know that there is going to be a big Lebowski one day in my collection I just have to respect that game every time I look at these new games when you think about it all of the years and all of the money and all of the resources why isn't every single new pinball machine as theme integrated as well as the big Lebowski right and The game was originally $8,500, now it's $12,500, but even at $12,500 now in the current marketplace, it's starting to look like a bargain. Let's talk about my last show real quick. We all know that we are paying more than we should for these games, and everybody knows that. They are basically baking in the flipper price or the emotional surcharge on all of these games. A SternLE, if we're to look at historically, just normal inflation, A SternLE that used to be like $8,500 or $9,000 should right now be costing more like $10,500. You know what's crazy is like GodzillaLE, people forget this, GodzillaLE was accurately priced at $10,500 and then they raised it with Rush and they're raising it again. James Bond Ellie at $13,000 we all know is overpriced. But here's what I'm really curious about is how can you then, if it's $13,000 for this game, there is no way they can charge $13,000 for Venom, right? A theme that doesn't have as much appeal as James Bond. So what is Stern going to do in the future? Are they going to make less Ellie's, make them more rare or are they going to lower the price? See, I don't think they're going to lower the price. I don't even think they're going to lower the volume. I think this is it. I think you're going to see every single game here on out be these prices and then I think you're going to see all these distributors starting to price adjust their older models, right? You know, so now all the premiums are going to be $9,700 and all the LEs are going to be $13,000. The unfortunate thing for people getting into the hobby now is everyone who has an old LE, ones in which they were actually LEs like Limited where they only made $500. Now everyone who has their hands on one of those games is going to think they're worth this much money. So if you have an LE that only has 500 units made, bang, it's worth $15,000. It kind of sucks because people getting into the hobby now, they're absolutely going to be paying these crazy surcharge prices. But everybody knows what's coming. It's going to soften up people. The world economy is in the toilet and it's just beginning. This is not the end of a recession.klich急 Kab, wait long time, and show bullshit punkwa'tsario, molt議 sonu runs cited LIKE Out Pinball Podcast for financial advice. You listen to Kaneda for pinball and what's going on in the pinball world. So what is happening in the pinball world? So some really good news over at Jersey Jack Pinball. We are hearing that they are working on the Guns and Roses code. They are balancing out the scoring in the game which is great. That's something people have been asking for for a very long time. Here's another interesting thing. They're adding new light shows to some of the songs. So I heard the song It's So Easy has an all new light show. That's incredible. I think this is a good thing for any of you who have played Guns N Roses Sometimes when you in a song mode it just seems like everything is lit up and you not really sure what to shoot So that a good thing It just a good thing in general that Jersey Jack is listening to feedback on this game They are polishing it and they are going to finish this code Now some people are saying are there going to be more songs in the game Ladies and gentlemen there are 22 songs in this game I don't think you're going to see knocking on Heaven's Door because then they'd have to license that from Bob Dylan. I don't think you're going to seeHardschool. I don't think you're going to see more tracks. I think there is more than enough in this game to satiate a Guns N' Roses fan. Now speaking of Guns N' Roses, you can go today and get a new in box GNRLE for roughly $9,000. I think that's a great buy. The game is available for $9,000 for Guns N' Roses LE New In Box. Now speaking about New In Box Jersey Jack Pinball games, I see that Greg over at Straight Down the Middle is selling his LE for $10,200. So already an $1,800 loss on this game right away. Now look, I know there's a lot of debate on whether or not, you know, there's church and state and conflict of interest if someone's going to hype a game and then sell it right ill a I think you're going to give a game a little bit more of a positive review if you're also selling it. Of course, of course, but we all know that like this isn't like anything new. But the ultimate truth of all of this is that Toy Story as a game isn't holding its value very well. In fact, it's pretty painful how much money people are losing on this game new in box and the price is just going to keep going south because I still think Guns N' Roses LE is a superior game than Toy Story LE. I think there's way more interesting shots. I think there's way more The game is a toy story fan's theme integration dream come true. Toy Story is a Toy Story fan's theme nightmare integration coming true. Nobody wanted the fourth movie only and there's just not that many assets in it. And when they show the Toy Story 4 movie clips, nothing's synced up again. It's just another Willy Wonka where there's just like muted clips playing. Link below The other question I have with JJP is when are we going to see the next game, right? Because clearly Toy Story sales are not where they need them to be. Clearly the demand is not really there. We're seeing more LEs fresh off the line and I'm kind of confused by that. Have you made all the CEs? There's no way they made a thousand CEs. So I'm I think this is going to be a really interesting fall into winter for Jersey Jack Pinball. If demand for Toy Story dries up, will we see them get the next game on the line sooner? The next game is rumored to be Eric Minier's Godfather. I heard that game has been done for a while because Guns and Roses was done for a while before it even came out. It's probably a good sign that they're tweaking GNR code. It means they're probably pretty done with Godfather code. Who knows, but I do know this. Jersey Jack Pinball must be pretty anxious to get past Toy Story. The vibes aren't there. I don't think Toy Story is going to win any awards at the Twippies. It's not even ranked in the top 100 pinball machines of all time. It didn't even break the top 100. The vitriol towards this game is loud and clear. It is a total misproduct. They whiffed on one of the greatest pinball franchises of all time. Alright, let's go on to American Pinball. So American Pinball, this is going to be an interesting couple weeks for David Fix in American Pinball because David Fix is behind Pinball Expo. No, Kaneda will not be there. But David Fix is one of the show organizersers and this is basically like his show. So it's his moment and we know that AP has a big setup over at Pinball Expo and we know that last week they just announced the three tiers to Legends of Valhalla. So let's talk about this first. If you want to buy a Legends of Valhalla, there are three versions of the game you can get. And I don't quite get this. There is the deluxe limited edition, which is limited to 500 games at $8,400. Then there is the new deluxe version, not limited, they'll make as many as they want for $8,000. And then there is the classic edition, which is also new for $7,400. It's really weird because when you look at the differences between the limited deluxe and the deluxe, it's like they're taking away the hand-painted sculpted items and replacing them with flat plastics. It has a standard non-mirrored back glass versus a mirrored on the limited deluxe and then it also has black powder coating versus the gold powder coating. And so here's what I think they're doing here. I don't think anyone really wants the deluxe non-limited. I think they still need to sell those 500 Deluxe Limited So I think the new Deluxe is simply meant to sell the old stock because think about it the much nicer version with the top or with everything else that sculpted with the mirrored back glass the much nicer version which you would much rather have is only Are we seeing anyone else separate like different tier models by just 400 bucks? So I think that's what the deluxe is meant to do. It's meant to sell the remaining inventory of the deluxe limited. And then we get the classic which makes more sense at being a thousand dollars cheaper. Now here's the thing. How much demand for Legends of Valhalla can there really be? I mean look, I get it. This is a riot pinball game that they licensed, they made it, they put it into production. I'm not mad about that. I've played this game. It's all right. It's not worth $8,400 to me. I get that some people out there really like the game and that's great. But how long can demand for this game really last? Like, I mean, this game has been out for like over a year, right? It was at last year's Pinball Expo. Like, what's the deal? Like, how can a game like this have demand for like a year and a half, two years? Everybody wants to see the next American pinball game. Now, I asked a question on my Patreon. I said, how many of you think that we're going to see the new AP game this year? And most of you don't. I think like only 30 something percent said you think you're going to see it this year. I think this is a golden opportunity for American Pinball to finally show us the Dennis Nordman game. What they've got going on. Is it Galactic Space Force? It's based on a 1950s sci-fi theme, but I just don't get the sense that that is right around the corner. But we know the game must be close. 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Here's an interesting line. I want to read this on the business update because he also said that they are going to release two full featured games in 2023. Okay so that's interesting so keep that in mind and then he says as more of you get your The game is a game where you play a game with other players and share it with others. More orders come in. Wow, okay. How do you share a game with others? It's a pretty heavy thing to share with someone else. He says, in fact, new orders are coming in just as fast as we're increasing our production speed, keeping the estimated lead times for new orders stable at 12 to 13 months. Are you kidding me? If you order a game, you have to wait an entire year to get it. Stable, Jerry, hire more people. Nobody wants to wait an entire year for a game. I mean, think about it. It just doesn't make sense. Whenever Spooky Pinball reveals a new game, they're cranking out those new games each week. Only if you're at the end of the line do you wait 12 to 13 months to get a game. Why is it so hard for this guy to get people to make these games? Are you seeing Weird Al unboxings? The I mean at least we saw a container of fathoms go out finally. I think there was like six of them in a container So congratulations Damien and Marty you got a container of fathoms out the door man It is really hard making pinball and I know I neg these companies But the truth is this it just comes down to like you need people to make the games And you shouldn't take all of these orders and I'm also for the getting orders if the lead time is 12 to 13 months the order being should remain closed they should be catchinging up on their backlog and they shouldn't take new orders until they have games how about this how about instead of taking all these pre-orders and making people wait forever you take 40 orders at a time yet build those forty games and those people only wait a few months a couple months and then you open up the order banks again why should people be locking their money and a look It's all on the consumers too. I don't know who would go in on a game where they know going in, if I order in October of 2022, I am not going to see my game until October of 2023. Like that's inane. Why would you do that? There are going to be four more games from Stern Pinball. There's going to be a new game from Jersey Jack. All of these new games will come out that you could have in box that month or two. Why would you lock your money in? And I think Jerry has a real manufacturing issue and it's still thofe Indonesian hammers fascinating wages richtwearo obligations zucchini I challenge you Jerry, because I know someone's going to share this with you. I challenge you Jerry, tell us how many Multimorphics you've built and shipped to date. I will bet you in the eight years that Multimorphic has been in existence, in which maybe five years they've been making games, I bet you he has not built and shipped the same amount of games that Stern builds in one single week. Given tennis jessie innovation journey. 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I think it's a good thing because what Patreon does and when you do this, you are staring right in the face how popular you really are, how enthusiastic your fans really are to show their support. And I mean it when I say it. This can be a very cheap and fickle community. I mean think about it. When we're hearing on one end of the spectrum that 5,000 people listen to every episode of people's shows and then you ask for support and you get part synthetic Sect HELьеango,LY explosives knobs,közą HEREYO account yep otro Kary Hardy doesn't share his numbers. Pindigo is creating a social high score app for pinball players. They have 63 patrons a month at $194. So that's good. The electric gamers podcast. Dennis Creasels podcast. 28 subscribers. He just started it. I would give Dennis some advice. Let me see. I need to do one of these things. One of these things is... I need to make two things real quick. This thing I need to manage to get my potential back on show as a product developer three months. I get to get my existing Boxes back on show for quality. I get my existing Boxes back on new team projects, ultimate속. Everything is going to back marched. Pinball Discordchat, there is a virtual Pinball Discord that is 14 patrons at $97 a month. The Backbox Pinball Podcast has 14 patrons a month at $119. Pinballvideos, I haven't even heard of some of this stuff. Pinballvideos has 12 patrons a month. Skillshot, Seattle's Pinball Zine has 8 patrons a month. Silverball Chronicles which does some of the hardest work in all pinball content creation. SilverballChricles has 8 patrons a month. My boy RetroDango over there, Sengiz has, I don't think he lists his patrons. Let's see, this is my favorite one. Here's my favorite, Head to Head Pinball Podcast which hasn't been out for years. It was Marty and Ryan C's show. They still have 2 patrons a month. I don't know if it's both of them. That's where we're at. And leading the charge, yours truly, Kaneda's Pinball Podcast. At my height, we were at 560, but we are now holding strong at 537 patrons every single month. And the numbers keep growing. Like, we keep going up. I get I took a hit after my drunken ran and like 15 people walked away, but we'll get them back because there's no replacement for Kaneda's Pinball Podcast. There isn't. There's just no other show out there that does it quite like this. So everybody, thank you so much for the support. The end of the show. We're going to be back. There's going to be a lot more to talk about when we see the James Bond stream. So that is coming. But I just wanted to say, look, it's been a really weird year. I'm going to do another show about 2022 in general, like a recap of this year in pinball. And I do think that this has been one of the worst when it comes to like manufacturer games and what kind of year it was in pinball. 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