Welcome back to another episode of the wedgehead pinball podcast the best pinball podcast in the goddamn world that's how we should start all these shows is that a good intro are we keeping that banger dude yeah well i would like to add the only thing i would add is in the most humble about it yeah in the most the most humble too uh i'm joined uh this is this is alex the water boy in my basement studio here i'm joined by my faithful co-host alan alan how are you doing dude i'm doing great water boy i love the fire you're bringing into this episode that's because this is another alex episode which is it's what the people want yeah the inmates running the asylum right now but before we get into the episode we get to our listeners favorite part which is us plugging our coffee account give us money yeah the ko fi or ko-fi.com which had podcast we got a fundraiser we're trying to make money we're trying to get out to the east coast to visit our buddies we're over 50% of the way there, which means Alan can go right now, but I can't. 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Any extra money will go towards the next one, I guess. I think it's to buy a hearse that we can custom deck out and then use as a road trip device, right? I want a K-truck more. Road trip and a K-truck, we can only do 55 going down the interstate. We're like, we're going to LA, 55. Slamming Sammy Hagar's I can't drive 55 because we can't literally go 55 miles an hour. The engine won't let us. So any spillover money will go towards our new K truck. Anyway, that wraps up the promo segment. We're here for what is now the third episode in a three-part series, I believe. We're taking pinball. This was kind of a beginner-friendly series. We did an episode featuring my Alex Top Tips for buying a pinball machine. Alan did an episode about what to expect for maintaining a pinball machine. And now we're seeing the life cycle, the return to dust, which is kicking that son of a bitch down the road. This is the name of the title and the name of the episode. It's how to sell a game or selling a game, right? Yeah. That's it. Something like that. It's workshop title. Because here's the thing. It's like we talked about it in the buy a game episode, but really everyone thinks, and it's a beautiful delusion, but everyone thinks that you're going to buy a game. You're going to have forever. You figured out which one. You asked Reddit. You said, should I buy Deadpool or should I buy Godzilla? And they responded, well, they're both really good. you should buy one of these two games only because they're so deep and you're gonna enjoy them so much and you'll never get sick of them that's not true you will get bored of any game you buy yes you'll get sick of them all and there may be some rare exceptions to that some games will stick around longer than others maybe but just you're gonna get bored you can sell a game that's the nice part they're expensive but it's not like a car where there's like registration fees and insurance and it's a pain in the ass you're like a game is just an expensive heavy to move piece of furniture you can sell them quick if you want to you can like it's it's not that big of a hassle outside of moving it the real cost of owning these games a lot of the time if you buy a game used and it doesn't require any expensive fixes when you go to sell it the only actual expense is the pain in the ass of moving it yeah which is kind of funny enlisting it yeah well that's what we're going to get into yeah we're going to get into that i hope so yeah that's what we're covering in this episode is how to sell it so you don't get stuck with something and to encourage you to not be afraid to buy a game because you're worried about being stuck with something like you can sell them you sell them now the last episode you had a bunch of hot tips are you gonna have a bunch of hot tips for this episode i think like the last one some no i don't have real hot tips in this one honestly these are actual i think this is all pretty sound advice okay i guess my first alex top tip is before you go to sell your game if it's broken you should fix it which sounds crazy but a lot of people sell like that sounds like a no-brainer but a lot of people sell broken games and that will drastically affect the value like more than you expect like yeah because when you list something up and you're like oh well it only needs a 20 part i just haven't gotten around to it people looking at that online if they're from a ways away they're like well i don't know what this is going to mean i don't feel like driving two hours if it's a mystery you never know if it's really a 20 part they never know if you can trust you so if it's something we say it's just a fuse that's bs if you can if you're capable of fixing the game fix the game it'll be worth your time if you have someone you can pay to fix the game it's probably worth paying them always fix the game just fix the game if you can just so we always talk about this is the car and pinball podcast full of carguments talking about car analogies and pinball machines very easy but here's the thing just like it's harder to sell a car that doesn't run it's hard to sell a pinball machine that doesn't run you're going to get less for your pinball machine that you're trying to sell if it doesn't work then you will if it does work always fix it or find someone that can help you fix it yep and if you really can't if you've gotten some if you bought you know a zachariah and a board is cooked and you're like fucking nobody will i can't send this board to anybody for repair i'm can't find documentation sell it and learn a lesson from that and keep that in mind when you go to buy games that's why when you see some of those ultra rare oddball games or just even not rare ones that are just poorly built systems that aren't documented well and don't have replacement parts available there's a reason that like we kind of always try to steer you towards popular documented like friendly pinball systems or generations because it's like some games are a bitch to fix yeah so take if you have to take a big loss on one try not to do that again yeah totally okay so selling a game listing it where should you list it up probably listen to our other episode about buying a game i mean you somehow got this thing unless i guess it fell into your hands but uh that probably gives you a pretty good idea of where to list it my i my order would typically be checking with any friends that may be interested just like buying games selling to people you know or people that know people you know friends of friends that's gonna be the easiest option there's not gonna be bullshit you can actually just like speak freely with them and set up a time you know they're not waste you know they're not gonna no-show you or something and it also means the game will kind of stay in the family which if you're like oh man i really don't want to let this go but i really need the space i really need the money it's kind of nice when you can go visit your old game at a buddy's house or if you buy like a lot of people do stern sells a lot of games they sell a lot of games to the home market they release a game, that game is not the same game as two years later. That game changed a whole bunch. And maybe you bought it at launch, you played it, you had your fill, and then you're looking at it, you go play it at the local arcade and you're like, damn, what the hell happened to this? Oh, there's all these new modes and stuff. And like, oh shit, I actually kind of missed this game. Yep. Well, it's still in the family. They're probably sick of it by now. And you might be able to buy it back or trade for it which happens a lot dude Yes You see certain people will buy and sell the same game or trade the same game over and over and over again especially if you space limited it starts just being like you don't necessarily lose much on new games especially when they're going back and forth and so it's just kind of like at some level you're like if you can make it if you're doing it with your buddies there's just not much there's not much reason not to the next option so past selling to somebody you know my next preferred option would be pinside because the buyers are educated they know what to expect they're usually no nonsense you won't necessarily get the best prices on here like if you're trying to flip something people on pinside know what games are worth yeah they also have the guide due to their marketplace of the median price so they know what games have sold recently they're educated buyers but that's who you want to be selling to you shouldn't be trying to trick people so which we'll get into it a little more too but so pin side is my next my next one because it's you're not going to get a lot of tire kickers it's just kind of a straightforward like no nonsense group on there but then there's the big ones here so there's facebook marketplace and in the u.s we have craigslist as we talked about kgg gumtree whatever your local country's version of this kind of classifieds ad and a lot of games do get sold this way and depending on your region these groups might be more or less popular because i know on the west coast and particularly in the northwest where we are i don't think a lot of people sell their games through pin side that's true pin side does not seem to have as much of a presence here you see a lot more games going on facebook groups which would be my next preferred option versus just general facebook marketplace so what's the difference there so if you're on facebook you can join groups and there a lot of the time be like local buy sell groups like there's a Portland group that's very inactive because there's a bigger Pacific Northwest group or West Coast collectors or something and those groups it's like people within the region you know anything listed in there is within driving distance if you really want it right though you might be going down to California it's only going to be pinball people in there whereas if you go to a general marketplace or Craigslist the reason I like buying games off of those I look on Craigslist and marketplace general like quite often i don't like selling on those because you're dealing with like casuals normies as we call them and it's like once you start dealing with that you've got inexperienced buyers you've got tire kickers you have people asking you just you know they're like oh will this fit in the back of my honda civic and you're like uh is your civic a hatch and they're like no it's a sedan and you're like yeah it's gonna fit in the trunk dude and you're like sorry man you're like i don't think pinball's for you it's just you kind of also get low ballers yep and you do get those tire kickers that'll make it they'll make you hold on to it and then they'll come out and they'll just play the game and they'll either critique everything about it and go i don't know i gotta think about it or whatever and then leave that's what alex is talking about when he says tire kickers very common just time wasters essentially they had no real serious plan to buy it but they like going on a trip they like playing the game they like bullshit and they like They're trying to get a good deal. And if you're selling, know what your game's worth and then just fucking stick to it. I'm just, I'm going to repeat the kind of the same advice from when you're buying. Don't do this stupid, don't lean into this stupid bullshit. Don't price it at, don't be like, oh, it's 6,500, but I'm ready to take six. If you're ready to take six, list it for six. Like, why do people play this shit? And I get, because it's like, well, everyone wants to think that they're getting a good deal or whatever. But when I just sell things, I buy things straight up. I sell things straight up. the experience is always much better for both parties as a result i think yeah and so i always maintain that don't lean like if someone comes out there and they start lowballing the game don't like play that with them just be like oh okay sorry man if you're not happy with the price that's it close the garage or walk away yeah hey man i'll find someone else i'll buy it yep so what do you do to make an ad like i am assuming you have to make an a classified ad of some sort whether it's on pin side or facebook or craigslist or whatever so do you have any advice on that Yeah, the first top tip here is... Oh, there are top tips. Don't be a piece of shit. Represent the game as it is. Don't avoid taking pictures of the side that has a big gouge in the cabinet. If you know, if you've got a classic game and the plywood's delaminating, don't just forget to mention that fact. Don't gloss over shit. Highlight the flaws, even. Yeah, people are going to see the game in person anyway, so you're not gaining anything when you try to lie or ignore something you're aware of and i just don't buy it when you show up and someone's like oh huh i didn't notice that bullshit man you've had this thing in your house yeah like you're saying you didn't notice some like if i can if i can spot something within two minutes of looking at game and you've been playing this thing you noticed so don't be a piece of shit that's the top steps if the game does have some lingering issue that you can't figure out or it has damage or something you just take the L tell them and the karma is worth more than the money you think you're gaining from that sure yeah because it'll come back if you're a buyer or seller you're going to be a buyer or then a seller again it's a circle of life like we talked about in the last episode I always say like if I'm looking at an ad I want to see as many pictures as possible I think that that's a lot of people so it's like Take close-up pictures of everything, and anything that has any wear or scratches or whatever, any conditional problems, take pictures and include them. It's better to pull up a post that has 25 pictures than one that has one or two. Especially with older games. On an older game, regardless of if it's in mint condition, shit condition, whatever, you think you might have a game, and you're like, well, this is kind of how, like, it's player's condition. that take if it's an old game and by old i mean anything that's like pre-2010 take tons of pictures it'll save you time in the long run because you don't have to answer questions or what will usually happen is a buyer will be like i want a picture of underneath the play field or i want a picture of the boards in the backbox or i want a picture you know like they want pictures of certain things and then they'll ask you and then you'll need to go take a picture and then email them back or whatever or message them back with the pictures of when you could have just fucking had it all on the original post what i do have written down in here is even if you take 100 photos just expect people to ask for one more it fucking always happens they'll be like oh what about the legs and you'll be like what the fuck i've never thought about pinball legs before like there will always be something and i always just try to be i'm just like sure thing just i'm not like i didn't see the photo does it have the original coin box in it or is it like a plastic replacement well like and you're like oh okay yeah people will have things that are important to them they've been listening to podcasts with shitty buyers advice and so just let them go and you know just be friendly with the process and understanding that it a lot of these things are a lot of money almost all of them are a lot of money speaking of a lot of money how what about pricing like how do you price your games and how do you know how to price your game because i think the thing is like a lot of people get into and they go i have the nicest version of whatever this game is they get attached to the game yeah and then they're like this is the average price but mine's really nice or i put all these mods into it or i just cleaned it or whatever like how do you price the game you should probably already have an idea of what the game value is based off of what you paid for it if you bought it within the last couple years anyway because it's like if the game sat there for a month before you bought it you know you paid a little more than the market value because if it was a screaming deal it wouldn't have sat for a month so you can use your common sense and what you paid to you have a ballpark idea like i'm not going to get all of my money back out of it and for the record that's totally fine you bought the thing to play not to get your money back but you you can use that that some pinball machines are investments though oh my god no no no like if i can at best summer a gamble you're like some of them will offset the next game you buy from that manufacturer and lose money on yeah exactly uh so you you should have some idea based off of what you paid but if let's say you just got one from your uncle you have no fucking idea the pin side like we alluded to earlier has a marketplace pinside.com is the big pinball website. We bring it up multiple times in every episode. It's unavoidable. It has a marketplace, and that marketplace does an awesome job of archiving all of the previous listings of that game and determining the average price, the high, low kind of price for it based off of what it's seen in the last, I think it over the last two years or something And they also archive those posts so you can see the pictures too so you can kind of judge oh well this one sold for a little bit more than the median price But also you can tell that it was in better than average condition. Exactly. So that gives you kind of a ballpark idea of what a game is worth. And then you have to adjust accordingly based off of your market and the condition of your game. Like Alan said, everyone always seems to think they have the best one. when I say adjust I don't usually mean adjust higher I don't think like you have to have something fucking special to be asking over average price the average like substantially I'd be more than 100 bucks over average you know it's like if you live in the middle of nowhere you might have to price it a little lower to get someone out to you to drive out to you if there's less fish in the pond if the game is in rough shape you might have to price it a little lower because you know there's some things that will either cost money to replace or it's just it's not worth as much as a clean copy of the game if you want a quick sale you might want to price it a little bit lower there's there's a little bit of a pattern there if you're not noticing if if you treat pinball as a hobby and not an investment and you value your time you realize you're fighting over like a hundred dollars on a seven thousand dollar toy and you're wasting like another week of your life dealing with people off of craigslist sometimes it's worth pricing the game at 5900 hundred bucks instead of six grand money is worth more and less to everybody and i don't want to just be dismissive of the fact that money is real and like that stuff can matter but don't try to squeeze every dollar out of this hobby at the expense of your own sanity yeah because selling a game is i think significantly more annoying than buying a game oh way more annoying yeah dude it can be a nightmare like it might not be as hard because maybe you don't have to make that six hour drive and you don't have to load it necessarily and you can get lucky and have a really nice buyer that just works right away you don't have to deal with any bullshit but when you're like getting messages from that's why i dread when you hit the just general facebook marketplace and suddenly you're getting you're like hey man like oh can i get a picture of this and this and you're you're entertaining someone as if they're serious and then they're like hey would you be interested in trading it for a Yamaha dirt bike? I have a 1997, uh, a wave runner. It doesn't run, but I, I think it would take like $20 to get it running. Yeah, man. Like that stuff. Then you're like, you know what? I'd rather take 500 bucks less and just get this thing gone this weekend. Right. That's the kind of shit. That's what I'm saying. Like value your own time and don't try to squeeze every dollar out of it. Do you ever list things as OBO? Um, or best offer? I may have, I list things for trades occasionally when they're cheap for other pinball machines. But you just specify. Yeah. Like I'm looking for listening to trades for other pinball machines. Yeah. I usually don't. I probably do put best offer in there or something. But a lot of the time, then you get people lowballing you right away. Then I usually just hit them like, hey, I mean, I listed this yesterday. So I'm going to wait to see. That's what I usually just say because that's the truth. I'm like, if someone offers me 500 bucks less on an expensive game and you're like, I'm going to give it two weeks. you know because you're like i have 500 bucks is real money i don't want to like fuck you know something like that you're like no i think i had a price fair i'm going to give it two more weeks because just people need to see it i would recommend not so just but it's like you're gonna get lowballed either way i think you're gonna get lowballed either way if you add obo you're gonna just get you said or best offer you know like back to the ad itself though in like photos if you're taking if you're selling a modern game we were talking about older games earlier you know things are variable then you really want to document everything good or bad you want to show like hey this thing is really meant or hey this thing is pretty beat here's all like the problems or whatever here's the playfield where here's the scratches on the cabinet yep modern games though you really only need a handful of because it's like we know what the game looks like things don't generally wear out much you can put photos of the commonware areas everybody loves putting a photo of the fucking ball the the launch lane as if that's like as if they're going to get $800 more because they put a little protector in there and they turn the the ball kick out power down so that wood looks like it's never been touched before you're like i don't know of anyone who's paying more for the shooter like i don't understand that like i know that guys obsess over it but i'm like funny because it's like yeah people all value i guess that's what they want to see when they go to buy a game so if you're someone like a modern game you can basically be like oh it's clean i here's here's three photos of the game just so there's like photos of it overall and then you can put in any actual problems that are noteworthy like oh here's a close-up of where like the side of the cabinet was nicked or whatever but you really don't need a lot of photos of a modern game if you're selling to like new buyers normies a lot of the time in my experience just having like nice photos matters more than actual like good documentation i sold my high speed which was the first pinball machine i ever owned and i took photos of it there were bad photos for actually buying the game in retrospect but it's like i took photos of it it was sitting in my buddy's arcade and so i took photos in the dark all lit up and like some led spotlights and stuff so it just like looked cool right hey you can get this cool pinball machine and someone came to pick it up and they're like oh we just loved how yours looked so bright compared to all the other like we just wanted to pinball machine for our game room and this one just like looks so cool and bright like they just kept bringing them like well that's because the iphone pictures just were completely blown out in the game it's like glowing because it's in a dark room or whatever yeah but you're like, yeah, like, you know, it does have LEDs in it. So like, I got you like, nothing was dishonest about this. But you're like, yeah, I think the photo genuinely sold that one. Because it's like, I had a cool thumbnail photo. And I think that's what those people bought off of. You know, if you're selling like a no, a new Stern, just maybe keep that in mind, be like, I'm gonna actually take a decent photo, lead with a good thumbnail. Because when you're selling to casual buyers, first time buyers that haven't owned a pinball machine before, that does matter a lot making that impact. You have here, it says, if you're listed in multiple spots, save yourself a headache and put your location in the text body at the bottom. Is this a common thing you see with sellers? It drives me nuts. If you post on, it's a problem mainly on Facebook, because if you post in the general marketplace, that will obviously have your location tagged with it. Like it shows when you click on a general marketplace ad, like, oh, this person's located in Portland. But when you post in the general marketplace, it will be like, do you want to share this in your other groups and you can just click like oh i want to share this west coast pinball collectors i want to share this with the pacific northwest or whatever and so people do that it gets posted everywhere in those groups your location does not necessarily translate to and so a lot of the time you'll see a listing it's a very common thing to see a listing in a facebook group it has huge ad written out tons of photos no location the guy's profile is private or doesn't have a location on it at all there's zero idea where it is and then you just everybody has to ask where's this game located it's a common thing drives me nuts i always have to ask people if i'm actually interested in the game so it's like just put the location in the ad especially if you're if you're copying and pasting across multiple places which i would recommend doing just copying and pasting the same ad four times yeah you should be listed in all the places yep the other thing i would say is just helpful to put in your ad is your loadout situation if the game's in a garage if there's going to be steps much like representing the game fairly it doesn't do anybody any favors to show up and then be like oh fuck the game's upstairs and you're like yeah like if you have four front steps say four front steps off the porch like just let them know because they can plan appropriately if you're able to help someone carry a game or you have your wife megan you know that you're like yeah my wife will help throw it in the car with you you're over there counting the money yeah and then she's helping load load the machine but no regardless of your situation if you're like hey my back hurts like, hey, this is cheap. I'm not going to help you load whatever, whatever the situation is, put that in your ad. It will just help people plan accordingly. It'll waste less of everybody's time. Just transparency in general. Yeah, I think that's everything for the ad itself. The last piece of this is buyer time when the actual buyer shows up, or I guess when you're picking a buyer, when you're talking to these people. First top tip is use common sense. I grew up on the internet, so I can recognize scammers pretty easily, but people still get scammed a lot more than you would think with even shit as big and simple as a pinball machine people will strap a game to a pallet accept a zelle payment or some shit and then the game will be halfway around the world and the payment gets canceled because it's zelle this there's a reason i only do in-person sales i would ship if it was someone vetted online but i don't really want to deal with strapping a game to a pallet not only do you have to arrange it but you have to pack it Yeah it a pain in the ass Yeah that would be a pain So I always sell in person Even living in a relatively small city in the Midwest I was able to sell a couple games for the prices I wanted without issue fairly quick People, I mean, if you live in the middle of nowhere, chances are, like, if you live in the Midwest, you're used to driving long distance to buy games. Other guys are too. It's not that weird. It might just take some more patience. You might have to do a little bit of a price cut. But, like, I prefer selling in person. That's just what I try to do. I buy games in person. I sell them in person. That makes sense to me, dude. Shipping games is like... Shipping games is just kind of sketchy. It's sketchy for the buyer and it's sketchy for the seller. Yeah, it's just not fun. But I know a lot of people do it in certain rare titles. Like, if you want... Yeah, man, when's the last time you saw a Stargazer for sale in the Pacific Northwest? Exactly. Yeah, like, in certain rare games, like, your only option might be to find a... hopefully a vetted seller on Pinside and then have them ship it to you and you're going to pay for the... extra for the shipping and you're probably going to pay a little bit more for that game if it would have been local just for the seller to have to you know deal with that deal with it because they're they're going to want to sell locally too yeah it's way easier to be like yeah i can be there tomorrow yeah then you being like oh i guess i gotta call dhl and uh you know ship this bitch up and plastic wrap it well and it's also it's like if you're buying a big expensive thing just make a day of it go drive you don't get in your car or whatever you can go a long way with a single overnight trip to go get. If you're buying a $10,000 toy, man, you can spend the weekend getting it. Yeah, totally. It's part of the experience at some level, so I'm always just trying to do things. You said on the last game that you drove 12 hours to get your Hobbit. Something like that. I'd have to double check. That was a long drive. That was one way, 12 hours? Yeah. No, maybe that was- Or it was six and six. I'd have to look it up in the Google. I've lost all semblance of reality in the Midwest because things are so different. Cities are so spread out there compared to what I complain about on the West Coast. Like I bitch now when I drive like 30 minutes across town, like fucking A. And it's like, I used to just hop in the car on, like I remember I went and got my EM, my Williams Cabaret, real banger title for like 250 or 300 bucks or whatever. And it got listed and I was like, hey, this is cool. And the guy was out in like small town, Minnesota. And I hopped in my truck. I left work at like 2 p.m., hopped in my truck, drove four hours, got there by 6 p.m., loaded up, got home by 10.30. and I'm like I got a pinball machine it's like I saw it that day and I spent eight hours in my truck to get it yeah it's just like yeah but that's like the thing when you're into pinball you're like don't be like it's fun and then what's funny is like I sold that game you know a year later when I moved or whatever for $300 and you're like yeah so it's like my only time invested was that one day and that day it's like I spent gas but it was fun they got a good dude you got to enjoy the process if you're going to own pinball machines because yep it can be annoying to buy and it can be annoying to sell. Yep. Another top tip, they've got these really cool pens that you can use to check if money is real. Do you ever use these, Alex? No. Why not? Because I'm not a nerd. So nerds only. I have no idea if those fucking things work. My only experience is buying cars cash and having someone sit there and run the little pen across every $100 bill and you're like, come on, man. Check a couple of them. You're like, I got this from the bank, dude. Where else did I get this fucking cash from? I had to drive to three banks just so I could get enough of it. God, man. Yeah. So, yeah, you can check things when they're coming to buy. I don't. But you can. Otherwise, though, there's really not, like, this would be one hell of a thing to get scammed out of in real life. Or, like, a racket. It's not like someone's going to show up with a gun and then be like, okay, now you help load this pinball machine into the truck with me. Like, it's a pretty safe. That'd be such a hard robbery. It would just take so long. There'd be so many opportunities to run. If you're doing things in person, it's like low risk. And that's why the work, like you're moving heavy things around. But at the end of the day, you're just moving heavy things around. There's not much that can really go that bad. So don't be afraid of it. If you've got any questions past this, you just shoot all those messages to Alan on Instagram. He loves it. I know, dude. Yeah, he loves helping people sell pinball machines. uh and yeah this is why this is an alex episode because i bought my games my own personal pins years ago and then i sold them all when we opened wedgehead i haven't bought or sold a game myself since because i own an arcade and i don't fucking need to do any of that and my business partner owns 150 plus games he's always buying new ones and shit so it's like you get to skip all this I don't need to do all this. And I get a constant flow of new games into the business that we share together. And I do a lot of the maintenance on him as Rhodesie runs his route, but he also has an awesome collection. So I have chosen to drop out of this part of the pinball hobby and just focus on running my arcade and playing pinball as a player on location, whether it be at Wedgehead or when we travel and check out other locations. That's why this is a location players podcast, first and foremost. I know that hobby collection is a massive part of the hobby. It is actually the majority of the hobby as far as machines sold, although even Stern will tell you that they sell 70% of their games to the home market, but that 70% of the play of their games comes from location play, which makes sense. Yeah, I mean, that's like me. I don't actually play pinball. I just buy and sell them for the love of the game, you know? I just love it. Dude, you will find people that only buy and sell games. We call them the flippers that we referred to on the buying episode. And they are out there. And some people just, they love that whole experience that Alex was talking about. Like how you're like, hey, you got to make a day out of it. They are happy to make a day out of it if they can make 200 bucks off of some fucking solid state. And you're like, cool, man. You know, it's the hobby includes all folks, I guess. But we wanted to just do this as a quick wrap-up episode to the full life cycle of buying a pin, maintaining your pin, and then now selling your pin. Yeah, the circle of life, Lion King style. Yeah. Yeah. Well, hopefully this was helpful to you in any way. Like I said, I've been out of the selling, buying game for so long. That's why these are both Alex episodes to tell you about his experience, about how you don't need to count the money. You don't need nerd markers or anything like that. You just get handshakes and good vibes from people. You give him an ocular pat down. And that's all you need to do. You've all the water boys advice and he should be personally held responsible for any, anytime you've been robbed or scammed in your life. It's all on him. Okay. This is, we share this podcast, but this is all his advice. I'm not, I'm not choosing to support it in any way. I'm just here. well we'll we'll end this episode like we end every episode right alan by telling you to sell a game so you can go buy another game or better yet do the smart thing and go play pinball at your local spot instead skip all this headache go play pinball either way though yeah whether it's the game that you just bought and or sold or it's a game near you a new game just gets released all the time i think you know we got all these different pinball manufacturers they're always releasing new games stern releases four games a year usually so there's always something new to go check out at your local arcade this podcast will always be a player's podcast first and foremost so even though we talked about this series of episodes we're pinball players go play some fucking pinball go have some fun and until next time good luck don't suck Well, there's too much traffic I can't catch, no So I'm trying my best To leave a mood for fear Black and white Come and touch my roof again Gonna ride me up for 125 Outro Music