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Episode 36: Love Letters and Deeproot!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Nov 27, 2019
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TL;DR

Personal pinball news, community behavior PSA, and Deep Root Pinball intel from industry insider interview.

Summary

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast Episode 36 covers personal pinball maintenance updates (Drew's Firepower and F-14 Tomcat repair work), trade/sale discussions of machines like Bram Stoker's Dracula and potential AC/DC acquisitions, a critical PSA about inappropriate behavior toward women on pinball streams, and extensive discussion of Deep Root Pinball's recent announcements and Robert Dave Mueller's interview on Kaneda's Pinball Podcast revealing behind-the-scenes developments.

Key Claims

  • Drew cracked a 40-pin connector on his Firepower board while installing a remote battery holder, causing sound test issues

    high confidence · Drew describing his hands-on maintenance experience with Firepower restoration

  • Drew fixed F-14 Tomcat socket issues with corroded parts costing only a couple of dollars to replace

    high confidence · Drew explaining his diagnostic and repair process for spotlight socket problems

  • A used Oktoberfest machine in Tennessee was listed for just over $5,000 with under 200 plays

    high confidence · Scott Ian discussing marketplace pricing observations

  • Robert Dave Mueller (Deep Root Pinball) revealed behind-the-scenes information on Kaneda's Pinball Podcast interview

    high confidence · Both hosts endorsing the interview as essential listening despite potential listener reservations about Kaneda

  • An inappropriate roofie joke by a stream commenter caused two female pinball players to accuse the male streamer and leave

    high confidence · Scott Ian recounting incident and launching community PSA about respectful behavior toward women

  • Christopher Franchi designed the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast merchandise shirt in under an hour with minimal feedback iterations

    high confidence · Both hosts praising Franchi's rapid design turnaround and collaboration

Notable Quotes

  • “All I need to do is... It never is that simple.”

    Drew / Scott Ian / Wife @ ~45:00 — Running joke about Drew's habit of oversimplifying technical explanations that inevitably become more complex

  • “You need to do shit to fail, right? Correct. Otherwise, you never get good at anything.”

    Drew and Scott Ian @ ~50:00 — Philosophy on learning through failure and iterative improvement

  • “If you're not used to talking to women, and that's okay. You don't have to be an expert... Just those three things: Is this funny? Could I tell my mom this joke? Could they find any kind of offense to this joke?”

    Scott Ian @ ~75:00 — Core PSA message about respectful communication with women in the community

  • “This is why we don't have nice things.”

    Scott Ian @ ~82:00 — Commentary on how inappropriate community behavior drives away potential players

  • “If you do not listen to that [Kaneda's interview with Robert Dave Mueller], even if you have a problem with Kaneda's Pinball Podcast, you need to listen to that Deep Root Pinball interview.”

    Scott Ian @ ~95:00 — Strong endorsement that the Deep Root Pinball intel is more important than podcast preference politics

Entities

DrewpersonScott IanpersonRobert Dave MuellerpersonChristopher FranchipersonMark/Paul DanielpersonKanedapersonPoor Man's Pinball Podcastorganization

Signals

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Drew actively restoring vintage machines (Firepower, F-14 Tomcat) with DIY board repair and socket troubleshooting; learning curve evident but progressing

    high · Detailed descriptions of connector issues, soldering, and part replacement; clear progression from initial failures to diagnostic success

  • $

    market_signal: Dramatic pricing observed in used market—Oktoberfest listed at $5,000+ for low-play example; Scott Ian notes aggressive pricing as buying opportunity

    high · Scott Ian: 'I'd probably buy it knowing I could sell it for $5,500 down the road'; specific Tennessee listing mentioned with play count verification

  • ?

    collector_signal: Active secondary market trading activity; Bram Stoker's Dracula receiving multiple buy offers; strategy to sell high-demand title and acquire alternative

    high · Scott Ian discussing offers to buy Dracula outright, plan to wait a week before putting up for sale, interest in securing used Star Wars or Game of Thrones with translite swap

  • ?

    community_signal: Critical incident on pinball stream: inappropriate roofie joke by commenter toward female players; resulted in accusation of streamer and player departure; hosts using as platform for community PSA on respectful behavior toward women

    high · Extended discussion and formal PSA from Scott Ian; multiple check-in points ('This is why we don't have nice things'); framed as pattern ('It's happened again') and Me Too relevance

  • ?

    machine_intel: Deep Root Pinball has significant behind-the-scenes developments revealed via Robert Dave Mueller interview on Kaneda's Pinball Podcast; hosts characterize revelation as major news despite only one half-finished machine shown publicly

Transcript

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0:00
game's over losers oh yeah it's time the wait is over you've waited a week or more and now it is finally here the time has come for this week's Poor Man's Pinball Podcast starring Drew and starring Ian. That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over.
0:53
One of the nights, I'm a-stampin' me One of the nights, if I drink it clean I'm gonna drink my night away Welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, episode number 36. The only pinball podcast you should be stuffing in your face this Thanksgiving. Hey, happy Thanksgiving everyone, it's Turkey Day. Turkey, Turkey, Turkey. I love Turkey Day. Do you love Turkey Day? Who doesn't love Turkey Day? I do. Besides the turkeys. For those of you outside of the United States, I know Canada already had their turkey day last month. Marty, I'm sorry.
1:30
The rest of you fucks are like, what are you talking about? Yeah, Thanksgiving. American holiday. For our Australian friends, we love our turkey day. Yeah. And that one guy in Brussels that listens to us. Yeah. And that one guy in Russia. Yeah. Gluttonous success. It's what we do best here in America.
1:46
I was trying to think of something Russian, but I couldn't think of it. Dystrophia? I don't know. So, sorry, Russian dude. Anyways, we hope wherever you are on this Thanksgiving holiday, you give us a listen, you know, eat some turkey and stuff your face with Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Beautiful. I love it. What are you drinking today, buddy? Today is Teeling. Teeling Irish whiskey and some ginger ale. We're desperately seeking a sponsorship from Teeling, which I just learned about today.
Deep Root Pinball
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Cameron Silver Ball Swagorganization
Firepowergame
F-14 Tomcatgame
Bram Stoker's Draculagame
Oktoberfestgame
AC/DC (Pro Vault Edition)game
Game of Thrones (Premium Edition)game
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Whitewatergame
Comet Pinballorganization
Swords of Furygame
Kaneda's Pinball Podcastorganization

high · Scott Ian: 'So much Deep Root Pinball this week... It's a ton of news... he actually let on a lot of the stuff that's going on behind the scenes'; explicit recommendation to listen despite podcast preference

  • ?

    industry_signal: Robert Dave Mueller (Deep Root Pinball) characterized as either not caring about public perception or tending to overshare; compared to Jack Danger's early loose-lipped behavior at Jersey Jack

    medium · Scott Ian: 'Robert either, A, doesn't give a fuck what you guys think, or B, he just doesn't know when to stop talking'; comparison to Jack Danger's pattern

  • ?

    product_strategy: Scott Ian considering game art modification strategy: purchase cheaper base Star Wars model and swap in updated translite artwork

    medium · Discussion of buying 'a cheaper Star Wars, and then i can just get the translite and slip a translite in there' as alternative to premium edition

  • ?

    content_signal: Merchandise collaboration with artist Christopher Franchi produced design in under one hour with minimal revision cycle; design quality and artist responsiveness praised by hosts

    high · Scott Ian: 'less than an hour later he's like hey what do you think of this'; rapid iteration cycle with designer delivering refinements within 10 minutes of feedback

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Hosts moving from general tolerance toward active criticism of community behavior toward women; framing as pattern issue affecting industry growth

    high · Scott Ian's extended PSA section positioning inappropriate behavior as industry-wide problem; Me Too reference; characterization as reason 'we don't have nice things'

  • ?

    operational_signal: Editor workload reduction observed: editing time decreased from ~2.5 hours per episode three months ago to ~1 hour currently; quality standards relaxed with acceptance of filler content

    high · Drew: 'Three months ago, it was two and a half hours of editing. Now we're at maybe an hour'; reference to Bob Uecker Major League philosophy ('nobody's listening anyway')

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Discussion of Game of Thrones (Premium Edition) receiving recent updates that improve game appeal; artwork and code quality factors in acquisition decision-making

    medium · Scott Ian noting 'it's got that new update. Yeah. So it's supposed to be really damn cool' as consideration factor in trade evaluation

  • ?

    product_concern: F-14 Tomcat notorious for socket corrosion issues; multiple sockets out of service requiring individual component replacement

    medium · Drew: 'these games are notorious for having socket issues'; identified corroded, rusty parts requiring soldering

    • 2:16
    It's a whiskey. It's good. We're having some whiskey ginger ale. It's good. Good old whiskey. Good for the soul. But yeah, no, we do have quite the catalog of recipes we've got to be trying out. I am just, the bar needs to get stocked. We've been hitting it hard, so. It is amazing. We were just talking like a few weeks ago about how no one, like, he hasn't been having a lot of people over and drinking a ton here, but that's been depleted recently. I don't know what's happening down here. It's a slow burn every Monday. It's like, you know, everyone has their weekend, and then the weekend's over, and that's when Ian and I really start rashing it up a notch. Yeah. It's kind of weird how that works, but it's what we do. Yeah. That's good, though. Yeah. Wake up. It's Wednesday already.
    3:03
    Time to post a podcast. Did you edit it? Nope. Just barely. Barely editing anything these days. I was going to say, how much time do you spend editing, say, now compared to, like, three months ago? Oh, God. Because we've been going at it for a while. Like six months now. Three months ago, it was two and a half hours of editing. Now we're at maybe an hour. It's kind of like that moment in Major League when Bob Uecker is just kind of like, oh, fuck it, nobody's listening. Nobody's listening anyway. What do I care?
    3:33
    If there's a few ums, uhs, or whatever, some dead air, let there be dead air. No one's going to email us and say, the worst thing I heard in your podcast was um. Yeah. Actually, I heard you. Everything else. Yeah. whatever else came out of your mouth that fucking day if you're still listening i don't know why if we if we had a bleep button it would be like literally every 10 seconds why the fuck would we have a bleep up oh man remember uh albert when he when we first started orbital albert was like so mad at us you guys you guys i like you guys but you guys just swear too much and swear way too much and then we even broke it down per minute he did he had a he had a swear count it was like a little bell every time ding ding ding but we'll beat that record no we love you orby yeah um all right man well let's shoot some shit how about that um our good old buddy um dante's mark aka daniel um posted something on facebook uh the hot tub or pinball debate yeah so what do we think about this it's been uh that that was a fire thread right i mean i don't know if it was crazy but I do love the question. It is a good question, but here's the thing. I'm a value-conscious guy, and I love hot tubs. My wife and I have kicked it around to get one. The biggest problem with a hot tub, it's kind of like a pool where you have to maintain it.
    5:03
    There is upkeep, and when you go to sell it, the value is almost nothing. Right. I mean, a nice $5 or $6 or $8 or $10,000 hot tub now becomes a $1,500 paperweight you're trying to get out of your backyard. Sure. So if you're going to use it, I think if you have five or six or seven pinball machines, I would gladly sell one for a hot tub. Right.
    5:29
    But if you have maybe, say, three or four machines, and like I said, you're not sure, maybe the wife's not into it, then you really got to think about it. But I dig them. They're great, and they are therapeutic, and they're nice. You have a few drinks in there. It's cool. You can use them all year round. So there's some value there, but you just got to determine if you're going to use it enough.
    5:51
    Much like a pinball machine. Yeah, I'm going to get one. Yeah, Ian's got a nice spot picked out in his backyard already. Yeah, I'm getting a hot tub.
    6:00
    Yeah, those are one of those things that I'm not really into reselling. What the hell are you ever going to sell one? Well, that's what I'm saying. If you're going to use it, buy it and use it, you'll get a long life out of it, and that's fine. Yeah, and that's all you're using it for. If people want to come to your house to use a hot tub, that's one more reason that they want to come. It's just another way of entertaining. Or you go to the rich neighborhoods because they buy them, and then two years later, they're selling it. I'm pretty sure nobody's knocking down my door to play Whitewater except for you, Drew. Yeah, only me. The hot tub definitely has a universal appeal. You think hot women are going to come knocking on your door to use your hot tub? My wife is a nurse. All of her friends are nurses, yes. Oh, yes. There are some hot nurses. I will see a lot of pretty girls in a hot tub. Thank you very much, Drew.
    6:45
    So, yeah. Yeah. No, I'm all for it, man. So, he's all for it. I didn't even think about that part of it, so now I need to get a six-person hot tub. Yeah. You're going to need something big. Yep, definitely. Have you looked at them yet? Are you still in the preliminary stages?
    7:01
    No, I haven't looked at all. but yeah i think it'd be a worthwhile purchase for you they spend a lot of time outside here he's got this nice cool patio now so yep it's all coming together it's a nice little space so anyways email us at poor man's pinball podcast i'm sorry email us at poor man's pinball at gmail.com let us know what you think yep i'm a well-rounded man i love all things sure well no like i said and and we we've contemplated it when we move to our new house we'll probably get one or maybe there'll be one there already um so dante mark daniel thanks man for the cool uh fodder and uh yeah let us know what you think fuck yeah man very cool all right so let's get into some poor man's pinball podcast personal pinball news and now the moment you've all been waiting for of course i'm talking about the poor man's pinball podcast personal pinball news drew drew's got some firepower meltdown what the fuck does that mean what is going on every time i'm getting good and i'm fixing shit right like legitimately fixing doesn't sound like it i haven't started being on fire yet it melted on me i don't know what happened you know like i said I've been doing this board work. I've been learning all about them. Here's the cool thing. Tell me your tale. My limited amount of money that I've stuck into this thing is well worth it because I have learned so much about pinball machines in general, and I've actually, like I said, done some cool things and did some board work and fixed some stuff, which is awesome. But every time I do something, something else crops up. So it's like I fix one problem, and then there's another problem. And now, so now I'm like, I'm going to change all the connectors on the board and stuff and do this other stuff. But, you know, it's all a learning process. And at the end of the day, like I said, if I totally F this thing up, you know, I have, I'll just order one of the new boards. I'll put it in there. I'll have a nice firepower. Because like I said, everything on the play field and stuff works fine. It's just a matter of time. So what melted down? Well, so I didn't want to do the NV RAM in there just because, whatever. whatever i bought one of those remote battery holders yeah and because you know it's a simple thing you just move it so that you know the batteries won't corrode your your machine i know all about it and there's no corrosion on there so i bought one of the cheap ones or whatever and then did you see the ones that are like um they're like i don't even know what they're made out of but they're like cardboard tubes you put where the batteries are yes that's what i got well it's plastic yeah it's plastic and then yeah well no they're like they're batteries that are cardboard but they have the connectors so you put them in yeah these are plastic but same same oh Okay, and then it doesn't do anything. Correct. You don't have to solder or anything. Yeah, so that's what I got. That's easy. Yeah, I was like, this is easy. You just pop them in there, and then you put this board, and I did. But when I was doing that, you kind of press on the board a little bit to get the batteries in. Yeah.
    10:04
    Well, no, it just kind of loosens the connection, the male-to-female connection on there. So then, you know, I noticed that it was a little loose, so I pushed the boards together, and, you know, it was fine. But then, you know, I turned it on, and it started, like, going through the sound test that it's not supposed to go through when you turn it on. I'm like, okay. Did you short something? Was it shorting? No, I don't think it's shorting. Did you press it down on some metal? No, but I think what happened, from what I understand, it's a big 40-pin connector. It goes all the way across the boards. It connects the two boards together. And, you know, the joints get old. They get cracked. I probably just cracked one of the joints or something, so I'm going to have to take it apart. I'm just going to re-solder them all and see what happens. You did one of those Drew moves. Yeah, with a rock. Hit it with a rock. Just smashed it with a rock. Just bam. Ian, unbelievable. Something cracked. This is bullshit. Fucking A.
    10:59
    So yeah, I ordered new pins for like $10 or whatever, and then it's a lot better than the $250 for the new board. Yeah, no doubt. So it is what it is. And then F-14, same thing. What's going on with F-14? No, F-14's fine. It all functions. It works. But it was a little dark, so I bought some of those Matrix things from Comet Pinball. It's like the Legos. You kind of put them together for spotlights and different, you know. So I bought all this stuff, you know, like $100 worth of stuff because I can use it in a lot of pinball machines. And what I didn't realize was a couple of the GI sockets were out. So when I plugged this in, I'm like, oh, shit, the spotlight doesn't work. I'm like, oh. And then I started looking it up. yeah, these games are notorious for having GI issues. So same thing. I just got to look at some corroded, rusty parts and swap them. All the parts are cheap. They cost literally a couple of bucks or something. So just find the corroded part, solder it in, call it a day. Hit it with a rock again. That's all you got to do. That's the new thing. When Drew's working on a machine, done.
    12:04
    Funny thing about Drew, guys. I don't know if you noticed this about Drew. It's very simple the way he explains things. All I got to do is... My wife and Ian have been making fun of me for that for like 20 years. All you got to do is... Guys, all you got to do is this. It never is that simple. But the 20 years I've been saying that, I've actually been learning stuff. And yeah, now I can say... Hey, man. That's all about... It's what it's about. You got to start somewhere. Absolutely. So yeah. Well, hey, man. You got to do shit to fail, right? Correct. Otherwise, you never get good at anything. Correct. So you hit it with a rock, and then you start over. Twelve years with my company. Fail all the time. Oh, I fail every day. Every day. Still working. I don't know why. Yeah, we're not fired. We're still here. So anyways, what do you got going on? You got trade bait down here, brother. Oh, yeah. I forgot. Update on the trade bait, baby. No new offers. A couple people offered to buy. I put my Bram Stoker's Dracula up for sale. A couple people offered to buy it outright. Obviously, it's a game that people want.
    13:09
    One guy's like, yeah, I don't think I have anything on your list, but I just want to buy it. Give it to me. I have money. I have people lined up who want to buy it. So I think I'm going to give it another week or so, and then I'll just put it up for sale and probably buy a Stern Pro. There you go. So what do you think, Game of Thrones or Star Wars? is it the new art package star wars or the old uh well here's the thing i was thinking about buying a cheaper star wars and then i can just get the translate and slip slip a translate in there really is that that's the plan now well you could do that or um you know all right so if it's the old artwork i'd go with game of thrones okay but if it's a new artwork you got star wars yeah it's weird really i can't explain it huh we talked about this on our yeah i know i thought that's X-Ball. Interesting. It looks fuller to me. Sure. They're both fucking, they're both, you know, the artwork, the original Star Wars artwork and Game of Thrones artwork, they're both clip art. They're clip art to hell. Yep. Yeah, Game of Thrones is definitely clip art. But I just find the game of Game of Thrones to be more entertaining. And you say. And it's got that new update. Yeah. So it's supposed to be pretty damn cool.
    14:23
    So, but the artwork on Star Wars is, it's just catching, it catches the eye. I love it. Oh, it's so good. And it fills up the play field. It's so good. It comes together. Everything comes together better. So that's where I'm at. I can't explain it. I know it's the same fucking game. I know how stupid that sounds. 100%. No, it's not terribly stupid. No, it's pretty dumb. It's very dumb. So if I was going to do that, which I wanted to, I was like, yeah, this game looks great. I would have to wait a few months until someone gets a used one out there. Yeah, absolutely. You know, so we'll see. Maybe I'll just sell it. Hyperloop or just the Pro? Probably the Pro. Yeah. Because, you know, I went back and forth about the Hyperloop, and as cool as it is, it's not utilized that much. Right. And, you know, aside from that, it's the same game. I mean, yeah, you get metal ramps, but those plastic ramps are super fast. Yeah, there's nothing wrong with plastic. Yeah, I dig it. Yeah, Game of Thrones, though, we both agree. Pro is the way to go. I love that Pro. It's a great game. It's fast. Those ramps are super cool. It's got that – the dragon on there is actually pretty neat. I'll say it again, though. Both games you can play on location almost anywhere. Yeah, I considered that as well.
    15:33
    Between those two, I like both of them, but if I needed to play them, I could go on location and play them. There's a guy selling a Swords of Fury right now, so I could, in theory, get rid of my Dracula and get the Swords of Fury I wanted. Yeah, that's true. I know it. So that might be an option. So on Facebook, I saw an Oktoberfest for a little over $5,000. Yeah, you were saying that. In Tennessee. Can you guys believe, I mean, I know there's not a ton of love for that game, but $5,000 for like a basically brand new game, Oktoberfest, is nuts. I swear it was under 200 plays. It's crazy. I don't care. Updated it. They showed the picture of the plays on it. I was like, it looked beautiful. It looked brand new. I was like. Ian keeps harping on his 200 plays. I don't care if it has 1,000 plays. That is cheap. It could be 2,000 plays. That is cheap. It's super cheap. It's crazy. So, yeah, I don't know what he's doing. That's less than what I paid for my whitewater. Yes. That's crazy. Let's get it. We have to. I think it's gone. It's got to be. And it's gone. It's got to be. I thought about hopping in my car that day going, I'm going to get me an Oktoberfest, but it was not in the cards. That's a game that wasn't even on my radar. I mean, I like it, and it wasn't on my radar, but for $5,000, I'd probably buy it knowing I could sell it for $5,500 down the road. Don't you dare.
    16:49
    The game's awesome. I'm still looking for another game for your basement that I'm going to own. Yeah. It's called Oktoberfest. Just get it to me. Is it okay with your wife if I just have a game shipped here? Is that fine? She doesn't give a shit. Okay. It's happening. She only cares if I buy a game. Oh, okay. There's a difference there. Okay. No, I'm not kidding because I see these games and I'm like, ah, you know, my room is packed. The wife's already, I won't say mad. She's just irritated in general with me. So I'm like, I'm just going to send one right to Ian's house. That's fine. All right. It's happening. It's fine. Cool. We'll work out those details off the air here. Hey, guys, I have a question for you. What do you guys feel about toppers and whitewater toppers specifically? Because I was actually looking at just removing it just because it doesn't really fit in my basement. He has to orientate it east-west instead of north-south because of the topper. Because it's got to align with the beams. Yeah, the rafters. I don't know how I feel about it. I went up there to remove it, but then it was a lot more complicated, so I stopped. Oh, really? Yeah, I think so.
    17:51
    Well, I'm sure we can figure it out, obviously. The thing is, you know, everyone's so high up on that one, and it is cool and unique, but once again, I just don't care about toppers. I don't either. I never look at the damn thing. Like you said, you can get a quick $500, right? Anyway, I don't know if I was going to sell it, but I was definitely going to remove it. So you can turn it. Well, I would just do that at least so you can turn it. All right, here we go. Okay. That's it. um let's see what else what else happened with me are you done with your news okay i'm done man um so i did have this interesting moment the other day on a stream i'm gonna like leave the streamer out of it even though he had nothing to do with this at all um name names no i'm not gonna name any names okay um we're being good today yeah no it's nothing to do with the stream It's just the same shit. When I entered this hobby, Drew, I noticed there were people. There's social guys and there's anti-social guys. There's the awkward guys. I get it. Not everybody's good. It's not the worst thing in the world, but when it comes to talking to women, it's the worst thing ever.
    19:08
    It's happened again. it was on a stream watch the stream and uh the gentleman who was streaming i don't think that gave anything away because they're all dudes but he was he was male and he was between the ages of 35 and 50 yeah he went to buy some ladies a drink so he left the stream the ladies were playing pinball and someone in the comments and they knew they were on the internet and they were reading the comments and someone on the internet the the pot the the streamer um he ended up uh leaving his drink behind and one of these idiot streamer one of these commenters um so so this guy uh commented uh to these ladies roofie that oh there's oh roofie the drink is what he said and the girls instantly thought that the streamer who was buying them a drink was going to roofie their drinks so they instantly started yelling at the streamers or the commenters and saying no no no no no no he isn't doing that i'm not having that drink then that's not cool is this still on youtube i don't know i don't know if it went on youtube or not but it was this whole thing yeah the streamers drink and i'm sitting there like that's not even fucking funny why would you even joke with these girls about roofing in general it's not a funny thing okay and so the guy comes back the streamer comes back gives the ladies their drinks and both of them yell at the streamers they said you were gonna roofie us and he's like what the fuck you know my god and he starts yelling at he's like that is so uncool yes and it's just like they're like oh no it was a joke and someone was like commenting it's like some fucking stupid joke and these girls took it the way anyone would take it because it doesn't make any sense the way he talked about it it was just it's just another one of those awkward fucking stupid moments that probably turned two girls off of pinball forever because yeah because because these guys are so fucking weird man just why would you even joke about that that's not even a funny joke yeah that's the thing i mean he's gone these girls are gonna roofie his drink like that doesn't even make sense why we're the most on pc people in the world yeah but you we know how to talk to ladies though yeah so when somebody doesn't know how to talk to ladies talks to ladies just stop because first of all our wives would kick our asses if we said anything like that right and it's just you know that i mean we've had our fair share of stupid things we've said but that was in our yeah that was in our teens and early 20s yeah we learned yeah that's the thing how old were these people probably in their 30s 40s you know that that that is a big difference too because you know yeah kids in or 20s sometimes they say stupid shit yeah it just dumb yeah yeah the joke was stupid the streamer was pissed the ladies left they didn't grab their drinks because they were free drinks good for you ladies we love you um but yeah i guess that just public service announcement let's just i'm just gonna say it public service announcement hey listen if you're not used to talking to women and that's okay you don't have to be an expert at talking to the fair sex i shouldn't even have said that fail at 2 15 all right oh no you're leaving that in epic fail epic fail staying in sorry all right no worries uh so but no if you're gonna talk to them um please just in your mind think a one is this funny two could i tell my mom this joke you know and three um well could they could they find any kind of like offense to this joke just those three things just sure just rethink before you say it i would just appreciate it like i've said well i guess it depends on your relationship with your mom but my mom and i are pretty raunchy when we talk about it and i was about to say that that's not a great benchmark because my mom's so straight laced and i you know she wouldn't listen to this podcast i mean this is man this would terrorize All right. But still, the point is they're still the same. Yeah. No, no. I totally get it. I mean, there's PC, and then there's just a line that you have to have somewhere. Yeah. There has to be a line. You have to show women respect, and you have to show men respect. You have to show people, your general people respect. People respect. And if you don't realize what you're saying is disrespectful, then maybe you should take a step back and think about it before you say it. Yep. Me too is a real thing, guys. I mean, this whole thing, it's just, we just need to do better. All right. That's all I wanted to say. That's it. Rant over. PC rant. Rant over. Sorry. PC rant. Not fun, but it pissed me off. I left. No, good for you for calling him out, man. Yeah, I said that was. No, I did.
    23:57
    I was like, this is fucking stupid, and I need to go take a shower now. I was like, way to go. This is why we don't have nice things, Greg. Yeah. Because the guy's name was like Greg something or whatever. I don't even care. I'll call you out. I laugh at everything. I did not laugh at that. No, it's not funny. I mean, that's the thing. It's just not. Yeah, nobody found that thing. I'll giggle at a lot of crazy, stupid shit, but anyway, not that. Okay, moving on. All right, what else do I have for news?
    24:24
    What else do we have for news? Oh, Silver Ball Swag. Let's talk about Silver Ball Swag for a little bit, because we did our two-minute commercial last episode. That worked so well. Do-do-do-do-do! Silver Ball Swag! Go to silverballswag.com for all your poor man's pinball podcast. personal effects. There you go. I just wanted to, I did want to say one thing real quick, and we'll have some more in the mail bag later in the episode, but Chris Franchi designed a shirt for us. Oh, he did, and it's good. I got my mug today. I accidentally ordered the smaller mug. Yeah, okay. Oh, it's awesome. He's wearing the shirt. I do have the shirt on. I bought a shirt for my wife, and I bought her a mug. So the mug's on the way, too. I got my shirt today, too, and oh, man, so cool. You want to swap out the small monk for the big one? We got the big one. I don't think she needs a big one. Oh, I'll totally do that. I'll talk to her. Okay. But I'm pretty sure she'd be fine with that.
    25:19
    But yeah, go to Silver Bell Swag. Check out her stuff. Yeah, Franchise Designers. Yep. He drew it. We gave him a couple of notes, and he made it even cooler, if you can imagine that. He added a turtle because of our turtle conversations.
    25:32
    Franchise, you sick son of a bitch. We love you. One of the best comments, we put the image up on our Facebook page. someone wrote well it's missing the urinal cable that was it that was it and i was like yeah it kind of is but you know yeah so anyways uh go to our page and check it out but just to describe it quickly it's it's a seedy looking guy with a trench coat wide open yeah and he's got a sign that says poor man's pinball podcast and then underneath there's the little turtle and a couple of beer bottles at his feet and then uh underneath it just reads the sloppiest show on the internet perfect for us it's awesome no chris thank you so much we really appreciate it um chris i feel dirty wearing it and i like it yes yes wearing your dirty wares sir damn you sir for being so cool the coolest thing is in franchise style like we we ian sent him a message and like what less than an hour later he's like hey what do you think of this the dude doesn't sleep yeah guaranteed yeah and we're like yeah that's pretty cool can you do this and that you know we don't want to be too pushy because we're paying him millions and millions of dollars for this and uh and he says he says sure and he goes like 10 minutes later what about this we're like yeah yep there's something out there he clearly so awesome is the coolest so thank you so much chris i want to give you another big teddy bear hug that's all that's it that's happening man it is uh but pf sir ppf it is happening if he's out there yeah watch out for drew he'll probably be a gpf i think But anyway, guys, check it out. Silver Ball Swag. Chris Franchi designed shirt. Super cool. We might have more on the horizon. So stay tuned. Yep. So you can also get a mug. You can get anything. All right. Here we go. So that's it, man. That's it. We're done? Pretty news. Yeah. That's it, man. Love it. Personal news anyway. Personal. Power man. Blah, blah, blah, blah. So let's go into this. Let's go into Deep Root. So much Deep Root this week. I didn't think there should be much. There should not be this much shit to talk about. Well, here's the thing.
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    JJP has nothing new. Yeah. Right? Stern has nothing new-ish. Yeah. Elvira's obviously out there, but this is the news of the day. No, I guess my point is there's a lot of fucking Deep Root news, and they just showed us like one machine that's like half done. It's a ton of news, though. Because... Kaneda's interview. All right, so for those of you just joining us. Put on the brakes. Back up. Okay. For those of you just joining us, Kaneda had a great interview. If you do not listen to that, even if you have a problem with Kaneda, you've got to listen to that Deep Root interview. You need to say that again. Here's the thing. Yeah, you people who don't like Kaneda or don't listen to him, this wasn't about he, Robert Mueller gave a lot of great information. This was a Robert Mueller interview that you need to listen to if you like pinball. I'm just telling you. If you're excited or you want to know more about Deep Root, because he actually let in on a lot of the stuff that's going on behind the scenes. Robert either, A, doesn't give a fuck what you guys think, or B, he just doesn't know when to stop talking. Yeah. Sorry, Robert. Have you listened to us? Yeah. Thanks, man. Robert, email us. We'd love to have you on. We would just like to say hi and thank you. I got the sense that he is very excited.
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    A little like Jack, because Jack made some of these mistakes early on, I think, where he got a little loose-lipped. Yeah. But I think he also knows enough. Some of the stuff he can tell you, he knew to keep under wraps. Right. So it was kind of a good blend. I think, I don't want to call him a mastermind or anything like that, but I think it was pretty calculated how he gave some of those answers. Interesting. You know, not, like I said, it wasn't like he had it all scripted and this or that, but, you know, he knew what was going to be asked, and what's the harm in him telling some stuff now? Because, you know, he has to be smart enough to know that Stern's not going to be, like, you know, shaking in their boots saying, oh, my God, Deep Root's coming, and now our business is over. You know what I mean? Because that's just not going to happen. We all know it. Even, you know, and then the argument can be made, well, what about Jersey Jack or Spooky? Well, Spooky's fine because they make a finite number of games, and they're going to sell that finite number of games, and they're financially viable doing that. So I don't want to say they're recession-proof, but they're insulated better that way. Yeah. But JJP, depending on what happens, maybe JJP might be a little nervous, which could be expected. If JJP went out of business tomorrow, you know how expensive their machines are going to be? Oh, crazy. It would go through the roof. That secondhand market would be nuts. Yep. Absolutely nuts. No more JJPs. We got these games out here. Everyone wants them because they are great games. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Nuts. You know, I never even gave that one bit of thought until you just said that. I know. It would be crazy. I know. Those are just one of those things where people would be like, Jesus Christ, look how great these games are. How did they not make it? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. They should be selling more. Here's the thing. I think Wonka single-handedly is going to keep them in business for at least a couple of years.
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    Is it that big of a hit? I think so. I mean, they've been shipping them, making them. I think they're selling quite a few. Don't worry. I love Wonka. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I guess my point is... Does it pour another drink?
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    I guess my point is Waz is still keeping them afloat, is it not? Well, that too. Okay, but that kind of brings up the point. They've sold more Wazas than Stern has sold of a lot of machines. The only machine, you know, Stern sells a lot of machines, but I'm willing to bet other than, like, say, Metallica, because, you know, Metallica was on the line for six years or whatever it was. Yeah. But, like, a lot of these games, like, say, Guardians of the Galaxy, I'm just pulling one out from the last few years, you know, I'm willing to bet they sold more Wazas than they sold Guardians. you know over i mean obviously uh jjp has been selling them for longer yeah right but i'm just saying the sheer number they've sold more than guardians or um i don't want to say star wars or ghostbusters because that's probably not true but you know deadpool you know that kind of stuff sure let's dial it back into deeper yeah i was just about to say let's let's go back go back all right so let's let's go to some of the the basic little answers here first off um Canada asked about the ramp and the flow of the game. I'm not happy about that answer. How do you feel about that? Let's tell them what they said. So Robert Mueller, what I remember, basically says that ramp's designed the way it's designed. He lets J-Pop be J-Pop. Like the ramp's not going to change. And he said that they looked at it, they worked on it, and it is what it is. And if you can make it 40-50% of the time, they're happy with that number. For those who don't know what he's referring to, there have been some good players that only made it like one out of ten shots.
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    I don't know the actual statistics, but it was low. I want to say it was Dennis Creasel, but I could be mistaken. But somebody talked about it on a recent podcast about, well, what fun is that on your main toy? Yes. Because there's no main, main toy. There's a couple toys kind of spread around. But the point is that we were talking about Game of Thrones earlier, right? there's not a lot in that play field, but you can hit that ramp over and over and over again. And that's what I tend to do sometimes when I'm drinking and I don't really care about my score, which is most of the time.
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    I'll fire off on that middle ramp, and I'll see how many times I can do it in a row. I'm not getting any points because it's not even lit up at that time. I'll hit it 10 times in a row. It's fun. It's cool. Right. But in this game, you can't do that. so it just sounds like kind of what i was referring to last week when i was talking about how this is their first game it's going out the door yep they're not putting on like the crazy bells and whistles that people were expecting for a reason it's not in the game or on the cat because they're doing stuff with the cabinets no i'm talking about the game itself okay that's why it's a lot of recycled mechs it's yeah goofy ramp the stuff that people like on the it's just guys again i will say it i said it last week i'll say it again this is their entry level first game out the door just to see if they can get it out the door it's not this isn't going to be the the crazy pinball machine that you were promised but it's coming i'm sure i agree but do you do you want the first if you if you have a company right yeah do you want your first game to be a game that's not approachable by everybody well you know what though that's what and robert admitted that he said this game is for higher level players and here's the other thing that was this kind of goes as open a mission this goes into my other point this goes right in this ties in perfectly because this j-pop thing this j-pop j-popping a boner like when it has been determined that j-pop games are worth ten thousand dollars right out of the box even new ones now like when did he become that high-end collector like people are trying to get you know like we talked about last week i mean except for world cup soccer yeah all of his games command a premium well there's a reason for that they didn't sell many of them that's part of it but the other part is the magic that's in there though Oh, man, I just don't. Because you say they didn't sell a lot. Well, I can, off the top of my head, but I can find 20 games that they didn't sell a lot of that don't go for a lot of money. You know what I mean? No, I get that. There's a lot of games out there they made, like, $2,000 or $3,000. But now he's working at another company, and he's going to be making more games, and all of a sudden, like, we should just be dropping our fucking pants and being like, this is amazing. Look it, here he comes again. This amazing man. It sounds like you're changing. Last week you were saying that this game looks cool and it's fun to shoot. No, it's fine. Okay. I haven't shot it. I'm just talking about the man himself. Okay. This game, there's nothing. The game looks cool. It's colorful. I love the artwork on it. Even if it's placeholder, like the play field art, I think looks really sharp. So you're saying he's overrated. I'm asking. I don't know. Well, that goes to another point I wanted to make. Kaneda, when we talked about his inconsistencies, one week was talking about how he was the next coming and then the next podcast it was like the very next podcast he did he talked about them being overrated he said that yeah no i get that so what what is papa's overrated i don't think he's underrated or overrated i just think he is who he is i don't think he's fooling anyone right no he's not and and i think you hit it on the head right there where he's he's quirky yeah we know that that's some weird shit yeah you you look at Like I said, we don't have to go through all of them, but yeah, just look at Circus Voltaire and Theater Magic, Magic Girl, all that stuff. I mean, they're a little out there. Can we really say? No. I mean, some people talk about him like he's the second coming, but I'm sitting here. I'm like, is he really the second coming? Because I don't think that, personally.
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    Well, with Kaneda and Roberts' interview here, they talked about, oh, it's J-Pop. We're giving him all the resources and the legal aid to do whatever he wants. This is a J-pop ramp. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You're right. I'm sitting here, I'm like, this motherfucker needs a whole team. He needs an army around him to make a pinball machine. This dude can't do it on his own. So here's my whole takeaway from that. And like I said, we're not going to go through point through point, because it was like, what, an hour interview, hour and a half, whatever it was. No, I only have a few things I want to talk about. Well, you can go ahead. I'm good. Oh, you're good? Yeah. All right. I like listening to you talk. Robert Mueller says they're working on 21 more games. Ooh, that was a – when he said that, I almost, like, smashed my car into a guardrail. I'm just like, whoa. Why so few, you know?
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    What's wrong with you, Robert? Robert, step it up, man. Why only 21? I thought you would have been doing at least a cool 50. Here's what I found. I will comment on this because, yeah, me, I'm a numbers guy. And I know most of you guys don't think it. You're like, oh, this drunk asshole again. I've known him for years, folks. I love the numbers. So he's like, yeah, we have 21 games. And then they talked about something else for like a minute, and Kaneda's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. He goes, we got to go back to this. He goes, we can't gloss over the fact that you said you have 21 games like sort of in production. You know, he didn't say like, oh, they're all ready, but he said we have them kind of like started or whatever. So he's like, okay, what do you mean by 21 games started? And Robert said, well, we have, now don't quote me on this, somewhere between like six or ten of them were like more than 50% done. Now that in itself is mind-numbing. Because let's just say it was even six, right? So Stern is the biggest manufacturer in the world, and they do four games a year. Okay. You mean to tell me that in a couple of months time, Robert could have six games like ready to hit the line possible. I don't know if I'd buy it. And then he said, well, and then we have another, I don't know, once again, I'm making up numbers, but he said we have like 10 games that are like somewhere between 25 and 50% done. And I'm like, okay. So that means he has anywhere between 12 and 15, 18 games that might have a white wood, might have a foam core, something.
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    But does that just seem like overkill? I mean, how many designers do they have there? I know they have a stable of them, but even if they have three or four, he's talking, oh, Barry Osler. He's like, oh, Barry Osler's a machine. You know, he'd pump out a game every month if we'd let him.
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    Sounds like a lot of quality work. Well, that's kind of my point. I mean, where are they going to go with this? Why so many? Why are they not focusing on five great games? I'm an asshole, right? I'm an asshole. I'll be the asshole tonight. He is.
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    You know, if I'm doing my math here, Stern has 100 games that are done. Did you crunch the numbers? I just did the numbers. We're crunching. Stern has 100 games ready to go All with 3 pop bumpers, 2 flippers And 2 ramps guys All they're doing is designing one mech for you guys And an artist is doing the artwork But whatever Is that what John Borg does at work? He's an amazing designer, he's one of my favorite We love John He goes to work and he has the same template And he goes copy and paste No, he goes to work and he's like This is what I got And then Gary Stern throws everything out He throws out everything besides It's three pop bumpers, two flippers, and two ramps. Gary Stern says, hey, remember that game Metallica that was a huge hit for us? Take out Sparky. Copy, paste, put Spunky right in the middle. He looks at Borg's design, you know, and he goes, Keith, that's a great design. He's like, no, my name's John. Oh, you're Borg. All right, yeah, we're going to get rid of this car and Munsters thing. That's what happened with Munsters. They're like, hey, Sparky, you're out. Herman, you're in. Yeah. Done. it's it's terrible i know and so i yes stern has 100 games coming they're already set you know what i'm saying like i know but that's that's different than what robert's talking about that's what i'm saying he's talking about like original theme but the joke is the same because robert either you have something magnificent planned yes but you can't have 21 magnificent things planned robert i'm sorry no i can't it's a numbers thing yes and quantity over quality or quality over quantity give me five fucking amazing 21 is way too many give me five give me 10 you know i'll take 10 and i'm saying you have 10 i'm usually the quantity guy i'm usually the one like yeah pump them out i'm like no no no pump the brakes don't pump them out seriously robert like I am excited to see what you guys do. And, Robert, I have no doubt that you are – I'm talking to him like he's my friend. Well, he listens. We love you, Robert. Robert, we do. You know, I have no doubt that you guys are going to make some amazing things. I mean, I saw Raza. I like Raza. I think it's cool. I would make a few tweaks, but that's just me, whatever. But, yeah, 21? No, no, no, pare it down. Yeah, just get the five. Get the five great games. Sell those for a couple of years. You'll probably sell a ton of them. The market's not that big. that's the other thing that I think they're a little too ambitious. Let's just say that they're releasing five or six games a year. Who's buying all those games?
    42:46
    People who would buy the Stern games. If they're really, really good games. They're not going to buy all of them, though. That's my point.
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    We're almost at too many. I don't think so. I disagree. Listen, the nostalgia train hasn't stopped yet, so we're still going. I don't even respectfully disagree. I disrespectfully disagree. He's disrespecting me, folks. You hear this shit?
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    You are fucking wrong. It's the whiskey again. All right. No, I just... No, you're right. If Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and He-Man and Zelda and Mario Brothers all come out, you're right. They will all have buyers. Motherfucker, last time I checked, there's like eight manufacturers right now. We never talked about this. Sorry, I'm just... Tangent. It's poor man's pinball. We should be called Tangent Pinball. Pinball podcast. Jesus Christ. All right, what do we got? Voltron. What about Voltron? That'd be a cool pin.
    43:40
    What a tangent. Oh I was just thinking of all the 80s properties and nobody talks about Voltron I just saying Because they got ripped off by Money Morphin Power Rangers I know And now everyone thinks that But Voltron yes or no for you I think that be a kick pin You know what, dude? I was a huge fan in the 80s. I loved it. But I am... Fucked if I have ever revisited that. Like, you could show me something or name a name. The show's awful. I wouldn't know what the hell's going on. The show's awful. So I couldn't tell you one way or the other. The visuals, I'd be like, oh, that's Voltron. but if you were like the main character's name is keith i'd be like yeah totally yeah totally yeah he has a white line i think i don't know and the other thing they were talking about are um dimples like in in clear coats and i know i talked about it on twit for you folks but you know clear coats like i told everybody out there tell us again and what robert's been saying is there are clear coats out there that are hard as shit and they will work and they will withstand a hammer drop. They will withstand forklift traffic. They will even withstand vehicle traffic, airplanes, anything. But they're expensive. That's the problem, right? At the end of the day, a company can make your play field dimple free if they want to pay enough money. I talked with Charlie over at Spooky. He uses some good shit. He does. He uses some of the best shit you can get. So I don't think Dimpling... We won't give you his secrets, but it's good shit. He didn't give me the secrets, but he gave me hints. But the... So you're Alice Cooper. Are you getting a lot of play feel wear on that? No, and that's the thing. Like, you know, I had a small issue with my Iron Maiden.
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    Metallica was actually really good. And those are both brand new out of the box. Alice Cooper, zero.
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    But I haven't had a newer new stern now in the last... I mean, Iron Maiden was obviously new. So I don't know. And I'm interested, you know, that's, so I just want to segue real quickly and then we can come back and finish this up about the Raza. But nobody's been talking about the Playfield gate anymore. Is that still going on? Yeah. It's still going on. Yeah. I know. I see the threads on Pinside and yeah, it's continuous. And, you know, people are pissed now because now it's been literally months for some of these people, like a year, you know. hey i bought um yeah whatever i bought a game um you know earlier this year and i still haven't got a resolution and jersey jack supposedly quietly fixed theirs because now the the wonkas that have been made in the last month have been good right but i'm curious about the people before and it sounds like some of the jurassic parks and stuff now i'm a little nervous because i'm not as picky but if i see the the chipping is the big thing you know a little pooling under the post it's like okay it is what it is but as soon as that chips now you got a bare wood spot that's terrible yeah so it's cost yeah 100 cost so you're spending a lot of money on a toy right but why you know even if they just quietly just fix it not say anything why haven't they done that i mean they're still sending out the same well you're talking about changing an entire way of doing the manufacturing process i guess that's the problem yeah i mean the mirko is based out of germany oh are they see i didn't know that okay they're based out of germany people like these are orders that are probably placed months if not years in advance to get things in yeah at a timely fashion you know so it's hard it's it's a big ship right you can't just turn it really quickly you know a smaller guy like spooky could you know that's another plus to their business model you know that's right they they have now yeah yeah and it sounds like robert muller went that route for these these these these praises yeah he said he said they were mirko playfields but they're not using those in there he also said they were a joke and they were extremely soft and we know that which we know that that's fact now did we find that interesting yeah he came out and just said it yeah he said yep we we had to go with mirko because we needed them yeah but he goes we're we're making our own and doing our own thing or whatever he's testing them and he's doing hammer drops on them he's not getting dimpling and i i agree that's not the it's not surprising to me that it's not getting dimpling like you can do that it's real it happened there's something called diamond plate i don't know if you guys have ever heard of it but it was on williams games yeah and it still looks great whitewater right here diamond plate fucking playfield's planking but that clear coat's still intact it's beautiful sure no it is and and my uh my dracula you know people have been asking me and i didn't really pay much attention because i didn't pay a ton for it but it has zero planking yeah this game you know the cabin was the diamond plated at all or no it doesn't have the stamp on it but planking planking is like a moisture thing i think sure yeah but anyways this playfield's like damn near perfect yeah and it's from the 90s and like it's been played you know i think my game has a dollar bill acceptor it's been routed oh yeah and i'm like you know like i said other than the cabinet being faded this thing looks great yeah and i'm not just saying x i'm trying to sell it but holy shit well it's just it's it's a testament to the time yeah it's amazing and uh roger sharp said that he said these you know uh these games from that era were just absolutely yeah absolutely so that that moral of the story is dimpling could be eliminated tomorrow if companies wanted to pay the extra dollars so i had it in monster bash yep we had a ton of dimpling so what you're saying is you know the knowledge is pretty readily available it's just a matter of cost right for the most part for example all right for example just real quick if you're gary sterny you want to pay a little extra you know what just just just think of this just think just throwing this out there um what if you know there's there's the world there's there's fords right you know there's honda civics right but then there's the supercars right the maseratis uh ferraris higher end vehicles right what do they use for a clear coat the most expensive shit they have yeah yeah use that shit guys and that's what i don't spoiler alert sure and and it goes a long way and from your we kind of talked about this briefly it would roughly i think we figured out roughly add like double the cost of their clear coat right give or take yeah but fucking a yeah and this madness yeah this should be the last year of it yeah so they'd be spending maybe an extra say 50 bucks and clear code on your machine. Right. Yeah. It'll probably end up not even being that much. Okay. Because it's a volume thing. Yeah, sure. So I'm just, just for using round numbers, okay, it costs an extra $25, which that's the problem. They're like, I don't want to spend this $25. Right. But you're like, hey, you spend this $25, you're done. You're making 2,000 games. Yes. Let's dial it back. You know, the square footage on a game, not much. Yeah. Or you can ask the customer, hey, do you want this machine? or this machine. This machine is $35 more. Right. Pass the cost on to us. We'll pay more. Sure. This machine costs $5,799 plus $35. Yeah, I know. Okay. It's a move point. It's out there, folks. And don't listen to the water-based coatings versus the solvent-based. Nobody's using water-based coatings on these ships. We have doctor coatings. It's fucking ridiculous. It drives me nuts. It's a night. People think this is like, I'm sorry, but people think that these play fields are like done by Minwax or some shit. It's not shit you get at Home Depot, guys. How does it feel to be on your soapbox? I love it, Ian. I love you. It just drives me nuts. I know. I see it in his eyes. It's just so stupid. He's fired up. When people talk about it, it just makes me angry. That's why we had to talk about it on Twip. I had to talk about it. Sure. No, I think it's great. Like I said, we didn't do it on our own show here because I was just. It was beat to death. Bad timing. but good timing for twip yeah but i i just want you know i want my jurassic park you know i'm not that that one's coming home and that's been one of the kind of hang-ups because i'm like yeah you know should i just keep waiting and i answer just probably not because it doesn't matter because they're not going to do it like you said they're not cost stern has no so it's not going to do that shit okay but if you have issues and it's bad enough you know they'll make it right at the end of the day they'll make sure no and that was the thing it was people who had to pester and pester and pester on this whole thing. Depends on what kind of battle you want to do. Yep. Anyway, let's move on. Kaneda also is doing the big Lebowski sale. Selling this big Lebowski, bud. The big Lebowski up for sale, and the world is on fire.
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    Pinside deleted his post, really? They did. Well, not his post, but yeah, someone put up the post because it had his name in there.
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    I'm sorry. Robin, I love you too, man. I get it. But he's giving it to charity, and people say, well, maybe he's just lying or whatever. Who gives a shit? Even if he is, who gives a shit? Does anyone have Robin's email? Could you send us Robin's email? I need to email him a top five list that we did. It's Robin at Pinside.com. Oh, okay. I'm just making that up. I don't know. Finally.
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    But... It's Patty. What is... Yeah, that's the word. Super Patty. Okay. Anyway, let's go back. Let's explain the situation. So Kaneda bought the Big Lebowski. It's one of those. He bought one of the coin takers. One of the Dutch ones. $1,500. Yep. It's in box at coin takers. It's sitting at coin takers. Yep. Kaneda's Pinball Podcast Project Pinball, the Big Lebowski sale. Here we go. I'm reading right from the ad itself. Kaneda is selling the Big Lebowski pinball. It will donate every dollar, over $12,500, to Project Pinball. That's awesome. Did you see I put a bid in for us?
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    How much? $350. All right. Money will be donated during the special when it's Project Pinball fundraiser. Oh, the 24-hour, yeah. December 20th through the 21st. Should we go over there? I know the wives don't want us to podcast, but we should just go over there and be like we'll podcast for you you go to bed i thought about that yeah they're having they would hate us yeah oh yeah they're having where's your booze bro yeah they're having a they'll have booze there uh they're having a 24-hour uh pinball stream for charity pretty pretty cool bids will be accepted for two weeks of course uh saturday november 23rd through sunday december 8th midnight three ways to place a bid number one pin side thread womp womp number two canada canada's pinball podcast facebook page and number three canada pinball at gmail.com that's canada pinball at gmail.com so a it's a good deal right it's it's you're gonna get a pinball anything over 12 50 goes to the project pinball and not the whole thing no well he's getting his money back he's gonna get his money back but anything over is going to project pinball so he's number one making a dime number two who gives a shit not about this but yeah just about number three pin side shame on you so he put on like a first sale you put up just a post that says hey we're selling this and pin side took it down somebody somebody just put it up and said yeah here check this out you know i just it's just this world man i mean i searched for it just because maybe they moved it to like marketplace they moved it to the trash can it's not there i couldn't find it so i just it just yeah i i don't have words because it's a trash can forum you know sorry robin but people in this world are shitty sometimes and you know the point's been made i mean these machines are the only hope that the people have to get whole.
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    You know, the people that got screwed? Like, I feel for them. It's terrible. But the only hope they have was selling these machines. You know, and now they're hanging by a thread. You know, it's no guarantee they're going to get it. But the machines are sold. Someone's going to buy them. You know, it's an expensive machine. These are going to, you know, high-end collectors. I mean, it is what it is. I don't know. Sorry, rant over again. um whatever dude fuck it yep that's all i gotta say suck on that butthole yeah take a note from the poor man's pinball podcast suck on that yeah let's not take it so seriously robin this is pinball it's fucking pinball whatever good lord moving on drama drama you know what i wanted to throw something out there uh it's not on our notes but i saw on our facebook page that uh haggis pinball they had 10 machines i saw that playful They had play fields laid out. They were clear-cutting them. That was cool. Super cool. Yeah, Damien, you go, bro. Love it, man. I hope to see, my hope is to see a Celts here in Milwaukee. I would like to see a game number two from them. But, yes, Celts in Milwaukee would be cool, too. Gar Nelson, are you listening? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe we should put together. Maybe me and you should put together to get a Celts.
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    Wouldn't be our worst idea just because we would support a guy. We liked him. That's one of the better ideas you've ever had Ian Let's put something together Let's do that Alright We'll buy a haggis I think we should To support Damien I think it's a good cause Just to help him get to Email Patreon at Whatever we get on Patreon All t-shirts go to us buying a fucking haggis pinball Yes buy What a thousand t-shirts How many t-shirts do we need to sell for that We're going to do some math and let you know 500. You know what, Ian? That is not the word. We might consider that. That's a good idea. Yeah, I dig it, man. That's sweet.
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    All right, we'll do a poor man's pinball tribe. Yeah. Maybe we can play it for a while, and maybe we could sell it to like Gar or something. We can figure something out. Oh, yeah. Yeah, let's figure it out. Okay, cool. That'd be rare, because I don't know if he's going to be pushing out a ton of them, but I want to get him to game number two. Okay, awesome. All right, so that's it. We're done. News over. Done, finally. Jesus. you know what sucks about the news everything it's unsexy you know what is sexy love letters can you say that again love letters so sexy want to touch the love letter everybody's favorite segment that nobody asked for lots of people ask for it it's crazy it's awesome we get a lot of love for love letters I will remind everyone This is Ian's brainchild We all have kind of our little schticks And I like it I just have trouble coming up with them You started off strong And now you've taken it back a bit Oh no I'm coming back I'm roaring back today I got a good one I feel like this is my best one by the way Oh really I feel like it's my best one This might be a good love letter I'm ready man Okay sit back And enjoy the music O.B.A.U.
    59:43
    Splash on some high karate. Lay down on the shag carpet right by that fireplace. Because it's time for Love Letters.
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    Drew, do you want to go first? Oh, I'm going first. I'm coming in hot and heavy. All right. Guys, enjoy Love Letters.
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    Dear Steve Ritchie Designs, I love how you have all those smooth lines and fast curves. I also love all those fast ramps. Star Trek is a wet dream of fast and furious ball play. I'm sorry for all the negative things I said about Star Wars.
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    I know your hands... Sorry. I know your hands were tied oh so tight with that dirty little mouse named Mickey controlling your every move. I know Gary was looking over your shoulder saying, take that out, it costs too much.
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    And no fear isn't just a bunch of orbits. Well it is. It's so smooth. And F-14? Oh yeah, love how fast you move on F-14. And Black Knight Sword of Rage? Let the haters hate. That game is so... You can't say anything nice. Don't say it at all.
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    Love, Drew. Oh, shit, man. That's great. I loved it. That was one of my favorites. Oh, fuck. I'm crying over here.
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    God, this episode's... This is so fucking weird. All right. Dear Hard Bodies, You're one hot machine So hot in fact I suffer from ball lock Captive balls Dead bumper You get the idea I'm gonna drop my target All over the back glass I want to shoot each station With vigor Hard bodies We don't need any toys To get the job done a night with you always leaves my wood rail as soft as a miracle clear coat forever yours so many flaccid penis oh in the history of podcasting nobody's talked about a soft penis being the same as a Mirko hard goat. No, that is an analogy that has never been made. I love it, man. I'm crying over here. I know. I'm tearing up. Good? I'm feeling great. That was our best love letters. Solid love letters. Remember, guys, always send us your love letters at poormanspinball at gmail.com. We will read them on air. We had an idea for one. We had a slight love letter. Let's go back to that one. This was from Jeremy Watterson. He goes, deer worn out pinball machine on location without a tilt job.
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    Tilt Bob. It's his job. Tilt job. Deer worn out pinball machine on location without a tilt job. Yeah, I tell you, that was a. That was it. Well, Jeremy, thank you very much. It was a good start. Yep. Insert pump machine here when you're playing. Oh, tilt job. Nothing worse than a tilt job. Yeah, love those old tilt jobs. Good lord. All right, well, that's love letters, man. Thank you very much, Jeremy. Hey, we did good, man. And I feel good about it. I do. Send them, man. Send them. All of you. Men, women, children, send them. Love letters are good for everybody. We send them to children all the time. Oh, my God.
    63:47
    This got off the rails of the FBI radar. Jesus. No doubt. Alright, let's do Tribe Induction. So our Tribe.
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    This week's Tribe Induction. So let's talk about last week's. Week number two. Yeah, let's talk about last week's Tribe Induction.
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    Martin, why don't you cue that intro music. Thank you, sir, may I have another? Poor Man's Pinball Tribe.
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    Thank you, sir, may I have another? Poor Man's Pinball Tribe. Thank you, sir. May I have another? Poor Man's Pinball Tribe. Right now, yeah!
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    All right, so here we go. Tribe, a lot of positive response, right? Yeah, people were excited. Let's talk about the tribe thing, right? So how to get on the Poor Man's Pinball Tribe. It's the five pillars of excellence, okay? We giggle every time we say that. Five pillars of excellence. Number one, easy. Like us on Facebook. That's it. Super simple. Yep, you can do it. We're almost up to a million likes. We're almost there. Just like us on Facebook. Like us on Facebook. Number two, you have to communicate with us. Regularly. Whether it be our posts on Facebook, whether it be email, messaging on Facebook, or messaging on Pinside. Lots of ways. Yes, yes. And the third pillar, of course, is to help us grow our podcast. that can mean a lot of different things even a recommendation for sharing our posts and we have all your rooms bugged so we'll know just tell people about us and the fourth and fifth pillar of course super secret it only something that Drew and I know top secret it something that we animal that we take very serious and we make sure that everyone vetted and it legit tribe member So we take this very seriously. It's one of our favorite things of all time. So our initial inductees from last week, some of the founding members, if you were, which I think the first 10 or 12 will be founding. We haven't figured that out. yet but um ryan kuiper and martin not listener number 15 15 lucky number 15 god bless you so those were number two martin is the guy that does a lot of our intro stuff he has been instrumental in helping us create more of a professional environment yep as not so sloppy as professional as two idiot drunks can be yep thank you martin we appreciate you making us sound better kuiper's Kuyper. Man, that dude does everything for us. And, man, Kuyper is having a second baby. Well, he's not having a baby. His wife's having a baby. He's pregnant. He is pregnant in February. So we are going to try to get him on before the end of the year because it has been a while. It has been a while. We love you, Kuyper. Don't worry about it. We'll get you on. Yep. We need to get Josh on, too, his buddy Josh. Yep. And we got to get Dave on. You know what we got to do? All right, this is what we got to do. Ryan, if you're listening, this is our invite, but I'll probably text you later anyway. but we have a top five coming up with solid states. Yes. Let's get you and Dave on. So I'll send out a text to tomorrow. Perfect. We love you, Kuyper. Love it. So, yeah, first two in the books. Yep. So now we're working on three and four. Who's it going to be? Number three.
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    Brad Hopkins. It's got to be Brad Hopkins. Brad Hopkins was like our first. Email ever. Well, not only that, but he sent us stuff every single week on Facebook. We were talking with him. We made jokes. If you go back to our first several episodes, it was a Brad Hopkins fest. It was awesome. Yeah. Even going on some streams, seeing him on there, just very, very happy to see us. Had a lot of input on how our show was going. He was the first one. yeah that gave us like feedback and we're like wow someone's actually listening like truly because we didn't have we we literally didn't have a lot of people in the beginning yeah and now we have millions and millions but you know he hated love letters wink wink yeah love sock watch it was it was after like our third episode he's like yeah not crazy about love letters everything else yeah sock watch is hilarious can you get rid of love letters and then we He did a love letter dedicated to him. Yes.
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    Which was hilarious. But he also got us kind of like, you know, into like the whole Mark and City thing. Yes. The Canadians. Well, right. Yeah. He was our gateway to Canada. And Mark's the guy who does the Nightmare Before Christmas pinball machine. So he kind of made us go over there to talk to Mark. And because of that, thank you very much, Brad. You are. And Orbital Albert. he was kind of our little gateway to it so yeah every everything that has to do with canada and pinball and just yeah awesome cool stuff yeah brad hopkins thank you sir number three we love you brad you are number three all right should we go number four number four who is it rich fucky and ian howard not only does this guy play pinball he is pinball he to this day still messages us more than anybody and we love it and every time he gives a shit which i can't stand yeah let's uh we're not talking fan mail yeah he never sends us no and we're not even saving this for mailbag so we were talking about all the john papaduke's games last week yeah and you know circus voltaire and theater of magic and world cup soccer all the hits right and what does he do he sends us a meme it's just jar jar banks and it says oh you forgot about star wars episode one yeah well how did it say you suck on that butthole and i saw this thing and i almost pissed my pants i was laughing so hard because i was like yeah first of all no one ever mentioned star wars episode one in any pinball conversation no Especially Papa Duke Oh we've played that game And it's as awful as it sounds How did you miss episode one Yeah he said Because it's not a pinball game That's like whatever So it must sound like We shouldn't be inducting him But he is number four Our tribe member Very proud to have Ian Hauer As a tribe member He's done a lot for us And we appreciate him every day so ian keeps sending us those fucking asshole memes jerk um and uh we love you and um all tribe members we are still working on it but we're gonna get you swag bag we'll call it the swag bag yes one man's pinball podcast swag bag nothing crazy but it's something to to show you that you are part of the tribe and we appreciate you there will be at least one unique thing in there that only you will have definitely at least one there'll be a couple things that you can it might all be unique to be honest yeah we've been kicking around ideas we're still working on it yeah well we want to make it special for you guys so we just appreciate you and so if you're part of the going out if you're part of the tribe send us 100 and we'll send you rich fucky and starting with you yeah no just kidding no doubt but thank you very much seriously we're excited to have you guys in and uh you know we're we're working our way to that's a solid top four yeah it's a very solid four i like the top four you know what we'll have to be posting this up on our facebook page too yeah kind of list them one two three four we will yep but all right so brad hopkins ian howard thank you very much for all your listening yes and everything you've done for us continue to send us the shit and uh you've been with us since the beginning day one Yeah, day one stuff. We love it, guys. That's Tribe Induction for week two. Oh, I feel so good about it. All right, let's get into some fan mail. Should we get some fan mail? We got lots of communication.
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    There's a lot to talk about. It's starting to multiply, which is a good thing. It's almost too much to talk about our mailbag. Yeah, Ian and I have been like, at first, we would get a couple, and Ian and I would talk about it before we'd send somebody a response. and now we're getting so much, Ian and I are just firing back at people. Yeah, it takes two of us to respond to everybody. And then we send these texts like, holy crap, did you see this? I'm like, no, did you see this? And he's like, no. And just these messages keep coming. It's great. We love it, guys.
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    Eddie! Malcolm! All right, so the first one, we're going to do Joseph Hood. Hey, guys. Love the podcast. I've only been listening to podcasts since Expo and only been in pinball for a couple of years. No problem, Joseph. I've barely been in it for a couple of years now. I don't know. Your podcast is by far the best, and I make it up to Milwaukee a few times throughout the year and would love to meet up at a pinball location and have a drink or two. Or 12. Let's just do 12, Joseph.
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    He goes on to some more details. And then keep up the good work on not taking this shit too seriously and not turning your podcast into shots at other podcasters later, guys. You know what, Joseph? Thank you for recognizing the fact that we don't take this shit too seriously because it's pinball.
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    Right? It's just pinball still. It's a box with lights, and it's fun, and it's supposed to be fun. And podcasting in general is kind of a shit show when it comes to, like, drama that's behind the scenes. And you know what, though? we don't let it affect us. We just keep moving on. We do. We don't really care. And we're going to keep trudging through because we enjoy it. We don't give a shit. We're going to keep doing what we do. Yeah. All right. So, well, you know what, Joseph? Thank you so much, sir.
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    All right. Next one. Michael Williams. Damn it, I'm thirsty, Michael. I love this guy. He's all, oh, man, it's awesome. So, hi, guys. As I stand here drinking my hurricane, watching another outland drain, it occurred to me I could share opinions I encountered on time tournaments. So him and I at Expo were, you know, Ian and I are not tournament players at all. We've never been in a tournament player. I just suggested to him that if, you know, we were kind of talking about getting pinball in the mainstream. It's been brought up about having like a time limit, right? Yeah. So I just kind of brought it up to him. I said, hey, what do you think about that? He goes, well, I don't know. He goes, let me ask. He runs tournaments in Madison here in Wisconsin. And he goes, let me ask him. I'm like, okay. You know, knowing nothing about tournaments, he asked his guys. They hated the idea.
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    Which shows you how much we know about tournaments. Because, you know, I'm like, oh, I think that would be a cool idea. You know, it's fast-paced. We should do that. We should go out with Michael over at one of those Madison tournaments. He's invited us. He said any time. We will do it. We will, for sure. But it's just funny because, yeah, he's like, yeah, they were just like, no. These old, like, guard, they're like, nope, nope, not happening. And they said they would, like, try it once or whatever. And I'm like, yeah, that's cool. But he sends me these e-mails about it. And I'm like, yeah, I don't know anything about tournaments. I don't know why we're asking these people. We've never been in a tournament setting. No, but my whole thing was just about being a spectator. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, because if you're, it's like watching golf. You know, golf can be kind of boring, and people have said that about pinball. Like, they don't want to watch somebody trap up, you know, watch their shot. You know what I mean? It's just, it's not as exciting. With pinball, or sorry, with golf, it's like you have to play golf to appreciate the golf. Yes, for sure, yeah. And pinball is no different. Correct. You have to play pinball to appreciate good pinball. So, you know, when you're a spectator that doesn't know much about golf, yeah, it seems really boring. Yeah. Same thing when you don't know about pinball. That's a great analogy. Boom. Wow, that's like your second analogy for the night. I'm like pretty good right now. Yeah. The booze is really doing all the talking. So anyways, Michael, I'm really sorry that my no-brain idea about tournaments didn't pan out because it is what it is. But I still believe that to make it more dynamic, if people are really to watch this, they need to do something different. And everyone kind of says that, but no one knows what to do. But that's fine. So he gives a drink recipe for a hurricane, which is cool. We'll share that if you want. um so we talked to him talking about an arcade bar it's called the io arcade bar in madison it's they got a bunch of games yes um our buddy actually runs that we know the owner who's that we can talk about it okay cool i sold them a few machines yeah there's oh madison a few of those machines are mine boys for those who don't know if you guys ever come made in madison to see a game or something i mean madison has a really big pinball scene they have a ton of games out there there's a couple places that have like 30 machines 40 they got some some serious white snow and and on pin side has been instrumental in kind of redefining pinball in madison yep yep and drew and i have not done shit in milwaukee so no we're working on it um so anyways he's talking about the idea of time tournaments and they wouldn't want to be a regular thing but they will try it which I appreciate you guys at least giving it a shot. So he says, I may end up running a one-off time tournament, but definitely will not be a regular thing. Back to battling the empire. Cheers, Mike. Then, P.S., he's asking about he wants to give away some of our stuff for prizes for Silver Ball Swag, which I thought was really cool. So we got him a coupon code. You want to tell them about it? Yeah, let's go into it. Let's go into it. So Silver Ball Swag, they sent us a little bit of an email that we're going to pass on to you guys. Michael Williams, please keep sending us your stuff. We really love hearing from you. We sent him a shirt because he was the guy that won the What Are You Drinking contest at Expo. He snuck up behind me and said, hey, what are you drinking? And it was awesome, so we gave him a shirt. He picked the Franchi shirt. We got him a purple Franchi shirt. He sent a picture of it. He's wearing it. It looks great. Awesome job. Appreciate it, Franchi. Thanks, man. Thank you very much. And thanks again, Michael, for celebrating our cool brand. So, Silver Ball Swag sent us this just to share to you guys, our listeners. So, make sure you guys like Silver Ball Swag on Facebook. That is the best way to get in on the deals because the shit's not cheap. We're poor men, but we don't do shirts. No, they're good shirts. So, they're awesome shirts. So, we have the professionals doing them for us. So every day of the five days of swag, they call it, they have a different deal. So when you like them on Facebook, you're going to get all these different deals first. Okay? So they're going to send you all that good stuff. SilverBallSwag.com. For example, they're going to have, for the Cyber Monday, they're going to have 30% off all merchandise. So Cyber Monday, 30% off. So make sure you like Silver Ball Swag on Facebook, and they'll send all the good deals your way. So thank you. And I just want to add that at the end of Mike's email, his little tagline, this is awesome, there are only three true sports, mountain climbing, auto racing, and bullfighting. All the rest are children's games played by adults. That is awesome, Michael. This is very true, very true. So pinball isn't a true sport? Nope. We had another email from William Yeager. Hey, guys. Love the podcast. Not a huge dark liquor drinker, but one of the favorite drinks he likes is simply grapefruit.
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    It's basically grapefruit juice and bourbon or whiskey. I love it. It's simple. Yeah, that's right up our alley. We're going to try that for next week. So, William, thank you very much. He gave us the nice instructions or recipe for everything. Surgeon General's warning, don't drink grapefruit juice if taking blood pressure medicine.
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    Warning to all you people out there, medical warning, medical warning. It's the grapefruit juice. Everyone knows that's the bad thing for the heart. Yeah. So thank you, William, for that one. What else we got? Oh, Sean F. Sean F., go for it. All right. hey guys good segment last week on laser cue hang on honestly i was not going to listen to the segment because i prefer modern pinball talk well f you sean but ian did a nice job summarizing we love you sean ian did a nice job summarizing the machine good job ian look forward to learning about the next one and i'm looking for a used deadpool pro if you know of any in milwaukee so deadpool pro for sean he's looking thank you please assign me a listener number i've been here since the beginning sean so uh ian responded back it was laser war laser q is the one i have but laser war was our history lesson from last week it was our history lesson kids he said ian said clearly i had zero impact true story no worries we'll keep the history segment short and sweet part of the rotation um you know he goes on and tell about our thing um sean you are listener number 21. You are now old enough to drink. Congrats. So from this day forward, Sean will be known as listener 21. Listener 21. You know what? I know he was listener probably a little earlier.
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    However, Sean, 21's important to us. So 21's a good number. It is. Good job. Because Martin's not really listener 15. He's probably listener 2 because we only have 6 listeners and you're probably 5, Sean. I don't know. What the hell is going on right now? What are you talking about? I'm just giving them crap. Alright. Let's see. what else we got here we got um oh um here we go oh sorry i want to just follow up that last sean then sean sent back fuck laser war the best looking men in pinball in a mere hours before drew's demise it was a picture of me ian and him at expo when i was still upright ah yeah there you go very very cool picture thanks sean appreciate it so you're gonna go pin side rocket yes why She talked about Pinside Rocket. So I got a personal message on Pinside from Pinside Rocket J93. Don't know his first name. He didn't leave it. But this is awesome. You guys are ahead of the curve when it comes to pinball podcasting. Just heard another pinball podcast talking about heartbeats and how many you have in your life. Oh, shit. This again? Your show is one of the best and always makes me laugh and keep doing Fuck It Friday. It's my favorite thing to listen to on my drive-in. It puts me in a good mood Friday morning. Lots. Oh. so i was reading more of our notes lots of emails that's staying in but uh rocket uh so rocket j93 on pinsight thank you so much um and seriously all you guys that we just read these emails thank you so much because we really do appreciate it and it's it's all been so good i mean do there's so much glenn watcher's been doing waitcher's been doing a ton with the facebook messaging Glenn, I love you. You guys are awesome. There are a ton of Facebook messages. We haven't even opened up Facebook, but there is a shit ton there, man. I appreciate every little one of you.
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    It's been awesome. It is. It's so cool. It's been super cool. We're running really late. We're at over an hour here, guys. So we're going to cut it there, but thank you. Keep sending all that stuff in. Yes, please do. We're keeping track. Yeah. Pinside, like us on Facebook, Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. email us and we're keeping track of the tribe members guys don't worry you are not being forgotten if you did not get read on the air trust me we have your name in our books if you buy 10 t-shirts you will be a tribe member oh my good lord that's pillar number 6 you want to cheat and go the quick way pillar number 6 if you buy 10 shirts there's the long route or you just buy 10 t-shirts I love it We have no shame here.
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    Let's wrap it up. I love it, dude. That's great. We appreciate every one of you guys. Thanks for listening. I enjoy the fact that they enjoy us just bullshitting with them. You know what? That is the best takeaway because most of that stuff has nothing to do with pinball. Yeah. They're just like, I just like listening to your bullshit. Yeah. Okay. We can do that. We don't know much else. We got plenty.
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    Yeah. Bullshit, I'm full of. Pinball knowledge? Yeah. you know what we just love pinball and we're gonna keep it light yeah and let's just keep it light because it's pinball right this is the shit you should be talking about at your tournaments and at your bar right yeah because sometimes we do talk about stuff like oh maybe we should do this or that and at the end of the day we're just like yeah do us yeah let's just shoot the breeze we ain't twip yeah and we're not special and lit we're not canada we're our own thing so we'll be happy we're not gonna emulate speaking of that we'll be happy to have some of you guys on as guests. We're always looking to just, you know, we can do Skype and we can make this happen. So if you guys think that maybe you just want to come on and shoot the breeze with us, send us an email. We'll try to make that happen. Why not? Right? I love it. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, all the time I'm always like adding these things and Ian's like, we didn't talk about that. I'm like, yeah. Well, usually he's talking about me editing. I know. A different way, but this is something we can do. Yeah, yeah. Just email us and say, hey, I might, you know, want to be on and I've never been on a podcast or have or whatever. Any interest, come on on. There's no free represent to be on the podcast. Chances are. Bare minimum skills required. Bare minimum. I never went to college. We're here. I love it. Okay. So, thank you very much. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it, man. Men, women, children, we love it. All you children, suck on this, buttholes.
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    We'll see you next week for episode 37. Later. I'm sorry for all the negative things I said about Star Wars.
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    I know your hands. Sorry. It gets better. Okay Now we got the giggles We should leave it all in Make it awkward Alright I know you're hit
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    I know your hands were tied oh so tight with that dirty little mouse named Mickey controlling your every move.