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Episode 207 – Leave The Lights On

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 24m·analyzed·May 30, 2023
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt discusses European Championships, Stomp recap, and Jersey Jack's $20k Harry Potter announcement.

Summary

Ron and Bruce discuss the ongoing European Pinball Championships and upcoming IFPA World Championships, share details about the Stomp tournament at Rochester Pinball Collective (where Ron accidentally broke a Cheetah machine), and extensively discuss Jersey Jack Pinball's newly announced Harry Potter machine at $20,000+. They debate game design philosophy, theme implementation across JJP's catalog, and criticism of recent design trends like lights-out dramatic effects.

Key Claims

  • Jersey Jack Pinball has secured Harry Potter as their next title

    high confidence · Ron cites Joe Kamikow's Facebook announcement; confirmed by Bruce as '100% they have Harry Potter'

  • Harry Potter machine will cost $20,000+

    high confidence · Direct quote: '$20,000 pinball machine. Here we come.' Multiple references to CE being 'at least 20k' and Super LE potentially $25,000

  • Eric Priebe will likely design Harry Potter

    medium confidence · Bruce states 'It's got to be Eric. Who else are they going to give it to?' reasoning that he's the available designer at JJP

  • The game will be released around 2029

    low confidence · Bruce speculates '2029' when asked release timing, noting production delays and current pipeline

  • Guns N' Roses sold over 4,000 units for JJP

    medium confidence · Ron states 'they did over 4K for Guns N' Roses' referring to production numbers

  • European pinball tournaments run until 2-3 AM due to easy game selection

    medium confidence · Ron notes 'they shouldn't they'll be done three o'clock in the morning' and attributes late finishes to games being 'too easy'

  • Toppers cost more than 10% of machine purchase price

    high confidence · Ron criticizes: 'More than 10% of a purchase price of a game to put something on the top of your machine is stupid'

  • Godzilla topper will be half the price of Rush topper

    medium confidence · Bruce: 'Godzilla toppers supposedly will be released Tuesday morning...half the price of the Rush topper'

Notable Quotes

  • “Jersey Jack has Harry Potter. We think. Well, according to Joe Kamikow, I am 100%. Yes, they have Harry Potter.”

    Ron/Bruce @ ~43:00 — Confirms major licensing announcement for JJP's next premium title

  • “$20,000 pinball machine. Here we come. Oh, yeah, yeah.”

    Ron @ ~43:30 — Reacts to anticipated pricing tier for Harry Potter machine

  • “I think they worked themselves up to a frenzy saying, this is going to be the best thing in sliced bread. And guess what? everyone buys sliced bread around the corner.”

    Ron @ ~47:00 — Satirical critique of JJP's overconfidence in theming decisions

  • “I haven't seen a good theme from JJP since, what, Wizard of Oz. Toy Story's not a good theme. Willy Wonka's not a good theme.”

    Bruce @ ~47:30 — Expresses skepticism about JJP's recent theme selections and implementations

  • “They only got artwork that was copy and paste because that's what the company wanted...They didn't get the whole movie quotes and everything.”

    Ron @ ~48:45 — Criticizes Willy Wonka's IP implementation limitations

  • “I hate when fucking rule designers kill all the fucking lights on a fucking playfield to make a dramatic effect. You can't see shit then.”

    Ron @ ~67:00 — Criticism of modern game design trend using lights-out effects during multiball

  • “I was like, wow, I was watching that. It's like, I've heard his stuff like that before, but I never actually seen it happen.”

    Ron @ ~40:00 — Reference to Joe Kamikow's competitive antics at Pinball Expo 2016

  • “So I have zero doubt that, yeah, see, he got pissed. He didn't get it. And this was him, like, trying to fuck over, you know, they got it.”

    Ron @ ~41:00 — Suggests Kamikow's Harry Potter announcement frustration stems from losing licensing bid to JJP

Entities

Jersey Jack PinballcompanyEric PriebepersonJoe KamikowpersonRon HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonRochester Pinball CollectiveorganizationStompeventEuropean Pinball ChampionshipseventIFPA World Championshipsevent

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Historical reference to Joe Kamikow's competitive tactics at 2016 Pinball Expo (redirecting attendees from JJP seminar with pizza) potentially contextualizing his frustration over losing Harry Potter licensing

    medium · Ron's detailed 2016 Expo anecdote about Kamikow directing pizza placement to compete with JJP reveal

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Negative sentiment toward Harry Potter as pinball theme; hosts express skepticism about theme implementation and commercial viability despite expected sales volume

    high · Multiple criticisms: 'boring', 'no excitement', 'cash grab'; Ron predicts 'crash and burn again'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Hosts criticize modern pinball design trend of using lights-out effects during multiball for dramatic impact, citing visibility and playability concerns

    high · Ron: 'I hate when fucking rule designers kill all the fucking lights on a fucking playfield...You can't see shit then'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Community debate over JJP's recent theme selection strategy; hosts argue recent games (Toy Story, Willy Wonka, Godfather, Guns N' Roses) lack creative enthusiasm or proper IP implementation

    medium · Bruce: 'I haven't seen a good theme from JJP since Wizard of Oz'; discussion of limited movie quotes and artwork restrictions

  • ?

    event_signal: Multiple pinball tournament events scheduled: European Pinball Championships, IFPA World Championships, Stomp at RPC, New York City Pinball Championships, Summer Solstice Slam

    high · Detailed scheduling discussion; RPC organizing multiple events; approximately 40 participants at Stomp

Transcript

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0:00
The first thing we do is get up and watch TV. Yes, it sucks. But do we get mad? No. Instead, we... Yeah, yeah, yeah. We just keep changing channels until we find something cool. And sometimes it seems like you're never gonna find anything. Like everything's just gonna suck. And you may have to change channels for hours. But sooner or later, you'll find something that doesn't suck. And it might only be a commercial with a chick in a bikini. Or it might be a fist fight. Or something really cool, like when animals attack. And then you say, you say, Thank you, Lord, for this does not suck. coming to you from beautiful upstate new york this is the slam till podcast the show about all things pinball i'm your host ron hallett with the other host bruce nightingale crickets crickets crickets he's here he's here folks yes i'm here he woke up yes i woke up Because it's in the morning. I'm always up in the morning. Uh-oh. Bruce, you know it's going to happen soon. It's going to be golf season, so I'm going to be golfing in the morning. Fuck. So that means, folks, we're going to be to the yawn part of the year, where Bruce just yawns through the entire podcast, if he's awake. If I'm awake. Yeah. At first, he talked about it, and I yawned. It's 9 a.m., folks. Yes, but I woke up today at 8. I was at the co-op until about 11.30 last night. The coop. Mm-hmm. so what i'm hearing is eight hours of sleep that's what i'm hearing yeah barely oh barely okay barely i'm old i gotta pee yeah oh god did you are like right now or do you know okay just no well you could if you're wireless you know you could just do it i know i could be pooping right now and nobody knows oh that's it keep it classy so like this is episode 207 Bruce 207 so right now the European pinball championships are occurring they're getting down to the final 16 people let's see it's 9 o'clock so there's 6 hours ahead they are in Germany is victorious at 11, 12, 1, 2, 3 o'clock they shouldn't they'll be done three o'clock in the morning. Yeah, they were done two in the morning yesterday. Yeah. What is with Europe? It's like their thing. They just finished. Their games are too easy. They're too easy. That's not what I heard. All their new games had they could breathe on them and they tilt. Yeah, exactly. But the problem is all the other games are easy so everyone's going to pick like a whirlwind or that kind of stuff because they think oh, it's a middle of the road game. We're not going to make it hard. This is the ones I saw the well, number one I kept seeing the same games and they suck. Like the power play Bob Yorke's power play. Dolly Parton. Actually, I don't mind Dolly Parton. But what else do they play? Oh, Mata Hari. I'm so sick of Mata Hari. Oh, my God. God, I'm sick of that game. Meanwhile, there's a meteor sitting right there. It's like, where's the meteor? Mm-hmm.
Harry Potter
game
Guns N' Rosesgame
Wizard of Ozgame
Willy Wonkagame
Cheetahgame
Godzillaproduct
Foo Fightersgame
New York City Pinball Championshipsevent
Summer Solstice Slamevent
Joe Lemireperson
Jeff Teolisperson
  • ?

    licensing_signal: Jersey Jack Pinball secures Harry Potter IP for premium pinball machine, representing major franchise licensing acquisition in pinball industry

    high · Joe Kamikow's Facebook announcement; confirmed by multiple sources; expected $20,000+ pricing tier

  • $

    market_signal: Godzilla topper release announced for approximately half the price of Rush topper, suggesting lower production complexity or market positioning strategy

    medium · Bruce: 'supposedly will be released Tuesday morning...half the price of the Rush topper, which means to me there's nothing that moves on it'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Eric Priebe identified as likely designer for Harry Potter; community expects his assignment based on JJP's design pipeline and availability

    medium · Bruce's reasoning: 'It's got to be Eric. Who else are they going to give it to?'

  • $

    market_signal: Harry Potter machine anticipated to cost $20,000+ with three-tier model (CE at least $20k, Super LE potentially $25,000); continues JJP's premium pricing strategy

    high · Direct discussion of pricing tiers; speculation on Super LE autograph model reaching $25,000

  • ?

    product_strategy: Harry Potter machine anticipated for release around 2029, indicating significant production pipeline delay at JJP

    low · Bruce's speculation '2029' when asked release timing; reference to current production constraints

    • 3:09
    Oh, well. Wow. Some of our crew is out there from the Cluster Buck. Yes. Colin is out there. Raymond is out there. David Ravenson. He won the last match I saw he was in Nice He won in seven games The final game was on A game I like, Indy 500 Hit it in the turbo, Bobby Yes So that is, it's a big tournament So it's, what, European Pinball Championships this weekend Yes And then next weekend is the IFPA Yeah The IFPA World Championships Dun, dun, dun That's going to be at a different place It's not at the place they're playing today. It's some other place. Wow. You'll be very popular in Germany. I'm popular all over. Yes. I'm world famous in Poland. Yes. But not in Germany. But not in Germany because, you know. Okay.
    4:05
    So good luck to everyone out there. Yes. Just like to say good luck. We're all counting on you. Especially you United States people. You got to bring it home for the USA. Just saying.
    4:15
    USA. I wonder if the Europeans find Americans just whiny. Because I'm sure the Americans are the ones saying that the tilts are too tight and complaining about things. I don't know what it is lately, but lately tournaments, tilts have been way too tight. Way too tight? Yeah, way too tight, the tournaments. Well, they're not too tight at the Rochester Pinball Collective. No, we just take all the rubbers out and do other things.
    4:43
    Oh, all rubbers on the pinball. I thought you meant something else. No, not that, sir. And where is the Rochester Pinball Collective? It's 2965.
    4:55
    Sorry, try this again. Fail! Oh, my God. Let me help you out. It's at 349 West Commercial Street, East Rochester, New York. What's the suite number? 2965, what I was originally putting out. There you go. We tag-teamed it. Wow. Oh, my. High five over them. Oh, yeah.
    5:15
    It's funny. I'm looking at my notes here, and you know what I don't have? The first thing we should talk about. Stomp. Yes, we had almost 40 people at Stomp for Saturday, and we had 25 almost for the Friday three-strikes tournament. Good time I had by all, except for me. Poor Cheetah. You broke Cheetah. You really broke Cheetah. I really broke Cheetah. So let me see. You were playing Cheetah. No, I wasn't playing Cheetah. I thought you were in the match. No, I was next to the game, and they were complaining about the top pop bumper. Oh, so it's actually the people's fault. They complained. Yes, it is. I agree. So what happened? I went to go pull it up, and on Cheetah, I don't know why, the blue cabinet has smaller rails to flip the playfield up on the backside so you can actually work on the whole bottom of the playfield. They're shorter. They're shorter by two inches. Oh, my.
    6:19
    So I'm going to have to modify that when I go through my modification thing. You mean they don't come out as far? Yes. Okay. So it's almost vertical. Okay. So, yeah. So let me try it. Yeah, I'll explain. So, yes, you slide the playfield out, but you can't slide it forward as far as you would want. Yes. So when you tilt the thing back. So Bruce tilts it back, and then I just. Trying to move the cabinet. Yeah, this. Well, no, you did move the cabinet. Oh, I did move the cabinet. This is all surveillance footage here. Yeah, you moved it over. It looked like you were talking to somebody, and the play field started to come down. The people were complaining about it.
    6:52
    And you tried to hold it. I did hold it. I actually have a gouge on my hand from it. But it's a pretty heavy play field. Yes, it is. So it fell into the cabinet. And the cabinet blew through the bottom. Yeah, that wasn't all, folks. The entire bottom came out of the cabinet. Yep. The huge crashing sound. And if you want to see that, it's on the stream somewhere. Yeah. but yeah poor cheetah yep so it's already all apart no and you replaced it with black knight 2000 yes a better system 11 c than what then a lot of others actually it's 11 b but yeah is it b yes i thought it was c no because i used to have all i had every iteration except plain 11 at one point i had an a and f14 i had a b in black knight 2000 c was roller games i just didn't have a plain 11 people falling asleep yes they are but uh yeah so that blew through the cabinet uh that wasn't fun uh joe lemire won stomp and uh i forgot who won the pre-stomp good job bruce well i gotta look at my results tonight while you look at the results uh we yes we streamed again another fairly flawless stream flawless fatality bruce tightened up the the rig which needed it more than i thought and it's definitely felt way more solid rolling around it usually does so that's good my superhuman strength yes the only thing we really need now we need an umbrella we need an umbrella and we need uh or just not even an umbrella because i think that'd be too tall I didn't want to make an arch. Yeah, it might be too tall just because it's already pretty. Yeah, it's pretty tight. I've got to make the thing pretty high to get over all of the games.
    8:45
    I'm looking at the pictures. Nope, nope, nope. Getting to the pictures now. It takes me a little while. Killing time, killing time. They've got a bunch of cool new banners there at RPC. They have a signed poster from Roger Sharp of the pinball movie. That was nice. Yes, we got very, Jeff Teolis was very nice to get that for me, and I framed it, and it is up and about in a boot. Oh, you're trying to talk Canadian? Yes, eh? I just saw Jeff. He's in Germany. Germany!
    9:19
    What else? Do you have 50 games yet? Still 49? Still 49. I didn't make playoffs. Yeah, what's with you? Thanks to Batman 66. Batman, I'm Batman. Which I had to finish first or second, so I finished third. Okay, congratulations. Yeah, congratulations. You failed again. I still don't get that game.
    9:41
    That's what kills me every time. I end up on that or like Avengers. Yeah. I couldn't end it up on, I don't know, Guardians or something. At least have a clue. Yeah, but no clue for you. No clue for me, no. Maybe you just need to come out here more and actually play. Well, the next event is Steph's event, right? Yes, Steph's event. The summer solstice weekend. So that would be, hold on, now I can actually get the calendar up. The summer solstice slam. 23 and 24th. I think it's the 23rd and the 24th. 24th is the women's event, and 23 is an open event for everyone. All right. Yes. Be there or be square. Yes, at a beautiful Rochester Pinball Collective. You can come see that at our location. And the information, I think the event is up on the page. I'm trying to get to it right now because I have two pages open. I don't want to open too many pages or I'm going to freaking blow up my computer. Yeah. And then Ron will get all mad at me.
    10:44
    I'm trying to think, what are my memories of Stomp this year? Seeing Jerry Bernard play Toreador, like a 90s game. Yeah. Just making saves. That was impressive.
    10:54
    Toreador is quite large. It is. And heavy. And hard to move. But some people do. Mm-hmm. Oh, my. And that's the kind of variety you will see at the Rochester Pinball Collective. Yes, from 19... It's like the Rochester Pinball Collective, our Patreon.
    11:10
    Whoever we're talking about, people are like, Jesus Christ, how long are they going to talk about the fucking RPC? I don't bring it up. You bring it up every time, not me. Okay, so if I didn't bring it up, you wouldn't talk about it at all? I'd talk about repairs.
    11:23
    I mean, you're a member of the collective. I'm not. I thought I'm being nice. I'm one of the owners, sir. You're saying that wrong. I'm not a member. We do have members, but I am one of the owners. You said member.
    11:34
    I consider you like our sixth member. Oh. No, our sixth owner. I would think for the next stop, like East Stop. Yes. I'm thinking September 23rd. It's after Pintastic. It's before all the shit that's happening in frigging October, which is like a thing every goddamn weekend. Yeah, I know. I can probably do that because the 30th I'm away on vacation. Yeah. So I'm putting that out there to anyone listening. So are you IFPAing it or am I IFPAing it? No, you always do that. I don't do any of that stuff. I was trying to get out of that one. No, no. I was trying to pass off more responsibility onto you. Exactly. Fuck.
    12:21
    Maybe I'd have Zach do it. Then he can be the TD. I'm just putting it out there. We'll let it simmer for a week in case anyone wants to come. Like, don't you know the so-and-so is that weekend or something? Yeah. No, I can go with that. But I think it's free. I didn't see anything. Okay. I think we can do that then. It's because people start asking. If we can get it to them, what is that? How many months ahead of time? Three months. Three or four months ahead of time? Three months. So, yeah. The whole summer will be gone. We'll be into fall now. Yep.
    12:53
    Winter will be coming on us in two weeks after that. Well, the New York City Pinball Championships announced their date. It's the weekend before Expo. Yes. So, yeah, I booked my hotel. I'll be there. It's a short train ride. It's a train ride, dude. It's easy. It's just so fucking expensive. Yeah, the hotel was like $177 a night, and they already charged me. It didn't even say that it was going to charge you. No. I just put my reservation in. It even says cancellation available the day before the event, so I figured they wouldn't charge me. No, they did. Full price. So 177 times what? Three nights? Two. I'm just doing two. So that's $344 plus $275 for the entry fee plus food, more entries. You're probably talking about $8,900 and a train ride. The train ride, what is it, $40 or $50? Yeah, it's not that much. But yeah, greatest city on earth, as we all know. Yeah. I looked at it for like 15 seconds and even going down to my sister-in-law's and still, it's $500, $600.
    14:04
    It's like, no. Yeah, for something you're driving to. It's not even like a plane. I can take the train because I would just train through Albany and go down.
    14:16
    But still, no. it's not worth it. I'd rather spend more money at a big show. I'm not being disrespectful to anything, but at least at a big show, like in Allentown or something like that, there's other things to do. But it's New York City. It's the greatest city on Earth. There's tons of stuff to do, Bruce.
    14:36
    In a New York minute. Ooh, everything could change. In a New York minute. Actually, when they were in Manhattan, I would say that. In Brooklyn, where they are now, it's uh everything was closed i'm like wait a minute i thought it's a city that never sleeps everything's closed i know and the one pizza place they have by there kind of sucks oh it's really sucked i saw some of the pizza i told joe joe ceravino had the fun trip back ceravino had the fun trip back from uh stomp he didn't get home till like sunday morning sunday afternoon or monday yeah he left yes monday morning he didn't get back to like monday morning I'm going to next time when he comes up for Stomp West or if he comes out for something else at the RPC I'm going to drive him to the border on the way back just so he can get not stuck at a train station or anything like that and I'm going to introduce him to real pizza in Rochester not that stuff we buy at the RPC oh that's not real pizza what's the real pizza come on tell us Bruce what's the real pizza It's called the Pizza Stop.
    15:48
    Okay. And it's about 10 minutes away from the RPC. Best pizza ever. Why don't we ever get that pizza then? Because it's very expensive and it's good quality. Like when you actually have a piece of pizza with like, they have a buffalo chicken. Literally, it's like strips of filet on, not like little chunks of chicken. This is actually like slices of chicken on your pizza. Mm-hmm. Good shit. We got good shit.
    16:18
    Let's talk about this because we mentioned this briefly in the section where you were sleeping. I don't remember.
    16:25
    Jersey Jack has Harry Potter. We think. Well, according to Joe Kamikow, I am 100%. Yes, they have Harry Potter. Yeah. So $20,000 pinball machine. Here we come. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, first about the announcement. So Joe Kamikow said it on his Facebook. He bitched and moaned about it. Yeah, I think he was just sore loser there. Yeah, he was. He probably thought he had it, thought he had it, thought he had it, and then... And he didn't have it. He didn't have it. And I know he's got no love lost for Jersey Joe. Let me tell you all a story, folks. Let me tell you about a story about a man named Joe. Let me tell you a little about Joe Kamikawa. Let's go back in time, ladies and gentlemen. I'll tell you the story. It's 2016. Pinball Expo. This is the one that was the 30 Years of Stern. If you remember that one, 30 Years of Stern. And it's the one where they had the Batman 66, but it was unplayable, behind velvet ropes. And as it turns out, the whole reason they had it there was Adam West was dying and they really needed to get his signatures and his voice work done before he died. But that was also the expo where Jersey Jack was unveiling pirates.
    17:42
    And bought the pizza. Oh, yes. So as part of the unveiling, Jersey Jack had free pizza in the seminar room.
    17:52
    And everyone knew it was going to be pirates because the flyer photos leaked a few hours before the seminar. So everyone had them. I know. Everyone saw it like, oh, okay, well, there goes any surprise there.
    18:07
    But what happened was the seminar room, you have the main hall. And then outside the main hall in another room is the seminar room. And you could see the seminar room from the main hall.
    18:19
    So what happened was Cam and Cal saw this was going on with the pizza and their big reveal. So he had a bunch of pizza ordered and then put right outside the main hall, like on tables to try to divert people from going to the Jersey Jack seminar.
    18:36
    And I was like, wow, I was watching that. It's like, I I've heard his stuff like that before, but I never actually seen it happen.
    18:43
    And it was all, it was all Kamikawa. He was directing them where to put the pieces here, do this, do that. Guess who the first, first person to eat a slice of pizza was Bruce.
    18:53
    Think of showrunners. No, think of showrunners. I don't know. Come on. This is easy. I thought this would be easy. No, me. That wasn't me. Mike Pace. Oh, that's funny. That is funny. I thought you meant this showrunner or something. No, no, no, no, no. So I have zero doubt that, yeah, see, he got pissed. He didn't get it. And this was him, like, trying to fuck over, you know, they got it. So $20,000 pinball machines. Here we come. Well, okay. Who do you think's designing it?
    19:22
    Well, it can't be Steve. It's probably going to be Eric. It's got to be Eric. It's got to be. Who else are they going to give it to? They're not going to give it. wheel out pat one last time even though we said last time his last game was out here we got one more out of them that i'd like to see but that's not gonna happen mark siding the new guy no way no way that's a new guy no i mean i mean if you think about eric's already working on whatever the next game is unless it's this no i doubt it it'll probably be the one after that like well when do you think it's coming out bruce oh 2029 I was going to say 20, like 25, but you're gone. We've got Tiny Dancer coming out soon, you know. Oh, because it's time to dance. So do you think it's going to be a wide buy?
    20:10
    Yes. I do. You have to. You've got to be able to have the room, the real estate. This is the game. They got to. I mean. They got to, got to, got to. I'm thinking like you said I'm thinking CE is at least 20k oh god gotta be gotta be and the super lece is for 25,000 autographed by blah blah blah oh what do you think there's a third model oh yeah I think there will be so lece and super ce yeah like you know what's it harry potter himself will sign it uh really I thought he's a fictional character. Guess what? Well, you can't have the author write it because everyone hates her. Well, okay. Have you seen any of the movies? Oh, yeah. Unfortunately, my wife puts them on and I just fall asleep. It's a good sleeping pill.
    21:00
    Now, how many movies are there? It like seven God damn So they going to put all seven in there No they probably get the rights for the last one Oh
    21:13
    Which one is the least liked? That's the one they'll get. Probably that one. Wow. No, whatever one was not as popular. Let's look up. Least popular. Harry Potter movie.
    21:30
    Harry. it involves wizards and stuff right and early wizardry wars of wizards okay so it's probably gonna be hold on the chamber of secrets that's what they say is the worst one oh who's they i don't know it's a website okay it's the longest film in the franchise and it's also the last film and try to fit everything in the book in the movie so it is the last book so that's the one we're getting.
    21:57
    Toy Story 4, here we come. Mm-hmm. Everyone's really excited about this. I am no interest at all. Thank God. Let's move on.
    22:06
    Every other podcast had like a 20-minute segment on Harry Potter. Nothing at all interests me about that. I mean, I will say, as far as themes out there, that was the number one. That was the number one theme. That's not like Star Wars or something. Yeah, I mean, that was the last, that was the biggest one out there. Guess what? It's going to be the most expensive game at the biggest disappointment.
    22:30
    Because no matter what they do... You're never going to get anything that everyone wants. Everyone likes it, yeah. But they're going to sell a ton of them. Oh, they probably... Well, you don't know about that. Come on, you've got to make a pinball machine they're going to never refuse. Oh, God. Every time I see that, it's like... That thing is a turd. It's a well-made turd. Well, guess what? They can make a pinball machine. I don't think it's a turd as much as the theme is a turd. I think it's a combo. It's just like there's no. Why? Why did you do that theme? There's nothing about that that screams pinball like excitement. It's just boring. I don't get it. I've played that game. I've watched all kinds of streams on that game. And it's just. I think they worked themselves up to a frenzy saying, this is going to be the best thing in sliced bread. And guess what? everyone buys sliced bread around the corner. I think they did the best they could with that, but I just don't think the theme lends itself to pinball excitement. It just doesn't.
    23:32
    In my opinion. Very disappointing. Yeah, they should have done Goodfellas. Like, I haven't seen a good theme from JJP since, what, Wizard of Oz. Toy Story's not a good theme. They got four. The worst one. Willy Wonka's not a good theme. They didn't implement it right. They really didn't. No, they didn't get all the stuff. They didn't get all the stuff. This is the common theme with J.J.P. What didn't they get? They only got artwork that was copy and paste because that's what the company wanted. Okay, yeah, that's one thing. Second thing was they didn't get the whole movie quotes and everything. They only got a certain bit of quotes and that kind of stuff. It was just not done well. And that back screen, what you're looking at, never changes. There's no movie clips, a lot of long movie clips in it and that kind of stuff. Well, I don't want to watch a movie. I want to play pinball. But guess what? People behind you who are watching it might have some interest. Like, oh, wow, that's interactive. There's nothing there. All you see is fucking chocolate bars moving down a fucking line. Okay, how about Hobbit? Hobbit, good implementation, bad game. Okay, okay. Wizard of Oz, then. I like Wizard of Oz. That's right. I think it is of good balance. of clunky, unfun-to-shoot playfield with a good theme. Because guess what? That playfield is fun for some people. No, it's not. Not to real players like yourself. Not to real players like myself, yeah.
    24:59
    I'm sorry. And, yeah. I like the loop when the house spins. Yes. Actually, I like the upper playfields. The upper playfields are fine. That's Joe Balster's specialty. But, you know, the main playfield is the problem.
    25:13
    It's not that bad. It's bad. Okay. We didn't even mention the best game dialed in, of course. But, you know, the theme implementation on that was just top notch.
    25:25
    Dead Silence. Whenever you bring up that game again, I'm just going to do Dead Silence. It's the title of my life. It just mutes me. Yep.
    25:34
    Okay. It's bad. It's the best game they did. Well, wait a minute. How about Guns N' Roses? That was full theme integration right there. How could you get more integration? That is actually the best game they've done with – if just the – wasn't just the fucking – the past two games have been a constant – three games have been like, oh, you get a multi-ball. You get a multi-ball. Everybody – it's the Gary Stern of the 90s. Gary Stern. I put a quarter in the machine. I get a multi-ball. Yay!
    26:05
    I wonder if Eric will get to do a game of something he actually is into. Yeah. I mean he did – let's see. He did Pirates. I don't know if he was into Pirates, but they got no assets. So that hurt. They got no assets. So then Guns N' Roses, he admitted he didn't really listen to the group. And then once he started working on the game, like, I found myself more into the Chinese democracy material. I'm like, whoa. I'm like, oh, bad thing. All right, that's bad. That's bad. That's just a big old checkmark against Jack. And then Godfather, he was like, yeah, I've never seen the movies. So how do you get into that? Yeah, I mean, that was like Jack telling him, hey, you're doing Godfather. It's like, okay. I don't have a godfather. He died 10 years ago. He threw himself into it, but I'm hoping maybe he's watched a lot of Harry Potter and this is just like, oh, yes, finally I get to do a game of a theme I'm into.
    26:59
    I don't know. But it's going to be expensive. It's going to be just terrible. I feel like it's just going to be the crash and burn again.
    27:08
    I mean, what's their biggest seller? Guns N' Roses, I believe. War Wizard. They went through so many iterations. Yeah, they went to so many wizard iterations. But, I mean, they did over 4K for Guns N' Roses. And a lot of them are on sale right now.
    27:26
    Do you think they do a standard ever again? No. Never again. No. I told you it's going to be three levels, but it's going to be a super duper autographed. No, the game is going to be three levels. Wide body, three different levels. Yeah. That I might actually enjoy then. Oh. You get a little bit of Haunted House or... Haunted House sucks. Or Krull. Krull sucks, too. Well, Krull sucks because a boy toucher made it. Oh, Jesus Christ.
    27:57
    No, the game just sucks. I played that damn thing. Oh, so have I. I didn't mind it that bad. Oh, it's bad. It's better than Haunted House. Haunted House is terrible. The upper play field is fine in Haunted House. The bottom play field is just this humongous piece of real estate that's just open. Let's make these tight shots. It's too many flippers. Too many damn flippers, Bobby. So many flippers, Bobby. So many flippers, we had to make two buttons for each side. That's true. That's right.
    28:27
    What else do I got here? Remember we were talking about GTF, Galactic Tank Force? Yes. And I was talking about the lock targets? Yes. On either side of the ramp, but the ramp isn't where you actually lock balls. and you were confused i was well there's actually three lock targets huh until forums we had a post uh reply to when i when i post the podcast it said it was by joe and it said kerner past pinball manufacturer so i'm guessing it's joe showbert who's the software guy on gtf and he said hey y'all fyi there are three lock targets a i r not two to qualify airstrike multiball locks on GTF. Two of them are on either side of the ramp, and the third is by the right orbit. So I didn't even know what I was doing when I was locking. I thought those were the only two. Yowzers. It's still so confusing, though, when it's on either side of the ramp, and it's not the ramp. It's almost like thunderstruck targets.
    29:28
    Yeah. So thank you for the clarification. You've proven Ron wrong again. Thank you. Oh. So mean. What other new stuff? World War II.0, did we talk about that last episode? A little bit, but... It just looks so weird. It looks like they were on massive drugs when they were doing that. It's terrible. Stop. Stop trying to redesign stuff. Well, why did they make it so completely different than the original? Couldn't you just, like, improve it a little bit? Why does it have to be completely different? What they could have done is done like, hey, look, our storms are getting worse because the Earth is being beaten down by the humans. So guess what? They're going to be bigger, stronger, and more powerful. Look at all the destruction. Nope, we got aliens and fucking all these other characters on here. They're going, what the fuck? There's aliens? I thought there was in one picture. And the guy that's in the van is, you know, they made him a little creepy now.
    30:26
    Well, they made Rudy like the killer clown doll thing. Yeah, they made this guy like really creepy. I'm watching the video right now as we speak. Would you like to come in my van, little kid? Yeah, little kid, I can let you come in. I have storms in my van. Yes. Yeah, I don't know. It just seems like they're just trying to cash grab. Well, how much does it cost again? I don't even know. I thought it was like $2,000 or something. Yeah. So it's as much as a topper. Yeah. But not a Godzilla topper. Not a Godzilla topper because they're cheap. Yes, Godzilla toppers supposedly will be released Tuesday morning. We're recording on Sunday here. Yes, we are. And let's see. I might have the episode out by Tuesday. So they might be released the day this comes out. But it's supposedly half the price of the Rush topper, which means to me there's nothing that moves on it. Nope. So two grand for nothing. Well, no, it's not two grand. It's going to be half of that. It's a grand. Yeah, but you might get a mode out of it. Maybe you get a special mode.
    31:28
    That'd be cool. I was really hoping it'd be King Ghidorah with his three heads flopping around. That would have been awesome. But no.
    31:37
    I have no idea what it's going to look like. Don't know. Don't care. Toppers suck. No, toppers rule. No, they don't. More than 10% of a purchase price of a game to put something on the top of your machine is stupid. Okay. At least. Okay. It is. It's almost as bad as freaking Clown Colors. Clown collars, good old LEDs We love clown, clown is great Clowning And I'm pissed off at I've been playing a lot of Foo Fighters lately Ah, okay, okay And I hate I'm going to say this right now I hate when fucking rule designers Kill all the fucking lights on a fucking playfield To make a dramatic effect You can't see shit then Uh, was it while the balls were in play? Yes! Oh, yeah, that seems like a problem. Yes. And it's not like a millisecond or two milliseconds. Sometimes it's like three fucking seconds. It's like, really, guys? Really? It's like, holy fuck, stop. Give me an example. I was playing in multi-ball, and you get the extra ball, or you get the super jackpot, and then it's like, ding, ding, lights go out. I'm like, holy fuck, I can't see anything. And I hear the balls, ching, ching. I'm like, what the fuck?
    32:59
    And you barely save one. You're like, okay, that was a great multi-ball because I had no control over that.
    33:05
    Bullshit. Stop trying to blind us or make us fucking can't see shit. Well, no. Yeah, they're doing the opposite. You complained about getting blinded, so now we're just going to turn the lights off. Yeah, which is even worse. Well, that's worse than getting blinded. I have to remember that. Because the blinding at least will go away after maybe a, you know. Okay, so will you apologize? Will you say, Dwight, yours is better? No, they still suck because they all took it from him. If he didn't do the first thing, it's a reaction to an action. It's all to itself. It's wrong. Reaction to action. Oh, God. It's still all Dwight's fucking fault. Is this the great blinding blackout wars of the millennium? What you can do, I can do better. Yes, I can. Stop.
    33:52
    Stop. You're funny. Stop. Just fucking let us play pinball. I put my dollar in. Let me play a fucking game of pinball. Don't make me dream because I can't fucking see. Either way.
    34:09
    Do you remember that episode of the original Star Trek where they get infected by this... They have these little alien things they get infected by, but you can become uninfected by bright light. and they do it to Spock and he goes blind. Yes. I wonder if that was Dwight Sullivan's favorite episode of Star Trek. I couldn't fucking tell you. But it's like, you know, okay, let's get the customer back and want to play this game. Oh, wait a sec. He didn't have an enjoyable time. Why not? Because his balls drained out because he couldn't fucking see it.
    34:41
    Why did this happen? You heard it here, folks. Stern is losing customers. Oh, no, it's not that. It's just stupidity. Stop. stop why do you have to blind or freaking let the person not see the game that you're playing really i'm being honest it's like why why just kill the flippers and just drain my ball it's almost as bad as that hey i'm playing look at me you're gonna oh wait a sec why do my flippers all die oh look up and you're like and then ball two here we go what just happened it must be a broken thing you say email the programmers hey guys what's going on with this thing oh that's a that's a mode timed no we just felt like we just kill all the flippers and make you go to the next ball thanks okay i think it's like you know stop it could be worse bruce it could be like that pinball machine that was in that australian was it a pizza commercial that was like so nasty that they wouldn't even put it on YouTube. Wow. Yeah, and they put Steel Panther videos on YouTube, yeah. I know. This one, the guy's playing the pinball machine, and the pinball machine literally rips his dick off. And then his dick ends up on the playfield and he's hitting it around with the flippers. Crikey. Yeah. He's ripping your man junk. Right! Okay. Wowzers.
    36:04
    I apologize. That was beyond the era of good taste there. The era of good taste? That's not the right... I did a Bruce there. I did a Bruce-like term. You did a Bruce-ism.
    36:17
    What else do we have here? Congrats to Fox Cities. You are partnered. Yes, we made it happen. Soon as I posted it up, a day later, he got it. Oh, yeah, that's completely... Of course. Our numbers pushed him over the top. Congrats to Histograph for your partnering. You are one of... Four. Yeah, four partners. Well, I actually found five, but Ron disagrees with me. I did find another. Yes, we have Deadflip, we have IE Pinball, Fox City, and then you said we have Pinball Joe. It was Joe Saeed, but I just think he did that more on the... Or he did it... It was the GameStone Quick stuff that he did it on in the early days of Twitch when it was easier to get partner. Yep, but he did do it. Oh, there you go.
    37:03
    So, congratulations, guys. Nice job. and one person now retired with... Yeah, Jack Danger retired, which, to be honest, I was surprised he was still streaming after he got hired. When do you even have time, dude?
    37:15
    And I'm wondering why or if he's going to... Because he rents that whole room, that building or whatever, to do the streaming. Is he still going to keep paying for that if he's not streaming? There's a lot of games in there. Maybe just go back to the people that owned them. There you go. Take them back. Yeah. That's a good question. He said he will stream occasionally, i.e. reveals probably. For other companies. Oh, that is so crazy. I don't know. I don't understand that fucking thing either. Hey, I program and design for this company. Hey, if you got that deal through Stern, more power to him. If that was part of the deal, like, yeah, I still got my streaming thing and I can stream whatever I want, right? Yeah, okay. Okay.
    38:01
    Okay. Let's see. What else? Oh, I got called out. Of course you did. Yeah, I called out too, so don't worry. We're on the same page. On the pinball show. Me too. You know, the one with the Patreon. Yeah, the one with the Patreon. I didn't bring it up this time. Well, you know what? They complained about that, then I brought it up. You and Zach Minney are both double downers. Oh, we always are. Let me explain. The Patreon he has is like, I think the opening tier is like $10, where it's like $5 for almost. It's like $5 for everyone else. Yeah, he goes to $10. So he's had people like, oh, man, if it was five bucks, I'd do it. If it was five bucks, I'd do it. And he's like, double down. No. Ten bucks. Ten bucks is nothing. God damn it. It's like you with Lord of the Rings. Well, that's the greatest game ever, so why would I have to? It's not even hard to double down. Beginning of stop. What Lord of the Rings is in? Audible groan. Oh.
    38:55
    Yep. No one wants it. No one wants it in there. Bruce puts lightning flippers. Pull everything. I'm still keeping it in. you'll have two-inch flippers in there before you ever pull that thing. Yep. Double down. You're both double downers. Yep.
    39:09
    But, yes, that got on me because I said premium Star Wars was inferior to the Pro. It is. And it is. I totally agree with you. He made fun of me because of my – he thought we brought up the thing, and it was one of our listeners that brought up. Ron brought it up this time, so I'm still good and safe. But he brought up my incandescent. Yeah, you incandescence. Well, you know, the thing is... I'd rather be incandescent than freaking clown puke. If he really wanted to double down, he'd be like, we've gotten Ron Hallett from the Slamdell podcast. He will have a guest spot on our next episode, and he'll talk about whatever. Then he puts that part behind the paywall. Oh, that would be awesome. That would be the ultimate F you. Make it so.
    39:54
    Yeah, but yeah. I will admit the comic art on the premium is better because it's the Empire. Oh, it's beautiful. And that's always better. But I'm sorry, the Hyperloop is cool when it makes it to the Hyperloop. Yes. The problem is you have that whole section there. You can't backhand it. No. Like you can on the Pro. When you hit it half the time, it clanks out. It doesn't make it up. Maybe he should have put another magnet on there, like no fear, to help it get up there. I don't know. And it also makes the Hoth shot reject. Yes, it does. Like you hit the Hoth thing, it comes out, and it just rejects. so you made a bad game even worse so i agree she made a cool shot but then it makes other normal shots not work shut up star wars is awesome no it is not yes it is it's funny how when you know we talked about star wars some people come to ron's defense i really do agree but 95 of the people that are like well they're wrong no they're not wrong common sense is not wrong It's Star Wars. Great theme. Knocked it out of the park. And it's the right Star Wars. No, it's not. Yeah, it is. It's a trilogy. It's the right Star Wars. Nope. I think the best Star Wars would have been Empire Strikes Back by Anakin. Yep. It is the most menacing. You got to admit, when you look at the back glass of that game. Well, it's got Darth Vader, and it's licensed. It is. It actually is licensed. If you look at that game, and you look at the back glass with the lights going around. Vader. Yeah, Vader with Space Invaders. space invaders stuff perfect perfect there's this done you hit it out of the park the game can be dog shit it can be just like a freaking uh space invaders play field supposedly it is dog shit from what i was told yes it is but you knocked that apart with the theme this is what they this is like stern you know with their star wars you know it looks great it looks great it plays like dog ass. No, plays great. Rules suck. It's awesome rules. Great job, Dwight. Full immersion.
    41:59
    Great, awesome. When was the last Dwight game? Oh, that's right. It was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. That means the next one is going to be his turn, too.
    42:07
    Oh, God. No, Mandalorian was his last game, Bruce. Oh, was it? Yes I thought that was with Okay so guess what Two turds in a row Wow Okay It the truth I like Bruce is always like it the truth It is the truth. Okay. It's official. Okay. So who sold more, Godzilla or Mandalorian?
    42:28
    Actually, I don't know. Oh, come on. I don't know. Oh, come on. Godzilla's definitely had more runs. Okay. There we go. Thank you. You can definitely say that. Yes. So is it because of the rules and the shots? Guess what? The shots are okay on Mandalorian. They're tolerable. But the rules are dog shit in that game. Okay. And the problem with Dwight is he thinks it's perfect. I'm not fixing a thing. Let's not go back to it. Let's move on to the future. And that's why I would never buy a Dwight game. At least Lonnie tries. Whoa. Wait a minute. He tries. No, he fucks up still. but he tries. Do you put Lonnie over Dwight? Oh, yeah, definitely. Wow. Yes, definitely. Wow. Because he tries. I'm going to build me a pinball machine. Go get him, Lonnie. Dwight, are you going to fix these rules on this pinball machine? Nothing's wrong. It's a perfect game. But we could prove this, this, and this. Nope.
    43:29
    Okay. I want to use AI and just replicate Dwight's voice and have him insult you. I'd love to because I go right back and I'm like, okay let's you used to make good games he used to like one of my favorite games of all time he made riverboat gambler nope oh you owned it make it so number one oh best game three hit you know three video modes one's hidden awesome game you know he put a lot of time and effort he really did you see uh one guy picked up jonathan frakes his old uh star trek yes that's pretty neat yeah So, so far we got Jonathan Frakes, Gates McFadden, Michael Dorns have gone to collectors. Yep. Make it so number one. Let's see. What else do I have here? I'd love to get one of those. That'd be awesome. Thanks to Loser Kids. The last episode, they had the pins on there. Oh, yes. And they mentioned our charity we have going. Charity we have going. It's almost over. Almost over. let's see will it be over by the time no it will not it'll be the last day oh yeah so yeah so what's that about bruce for someone who might be tuning in for the first time everyone asks for patreons and you know to make their own pockets swell oh god it's the truth truth sorry i want you to donate not to us you're gonna all the money goes to a charity which is very dear to some of our hearts It's suicide prevention. And, of course, with Lyman passing, I wish, you know, he did not pass. He was a great person. And maybe somebody else can get saved and get helped out. And so what we're doing is collecting all the money, and it's going to go to the charity in Lyman's name.
    45:23
    And it's a pretty big number, but we can always make it bigger. Has slowed down a little bit. Don't slack on me, guys. Don't slack on me. Okay, I don't want to slack. Where do I send it? you're going to send it by PayPal to wizard underscore mode at yahoo.com because I'm old. Wizard underscore mode at yahoo.com. Yes. We're going to cut it off at the 31st and then you're going to see me write out and send the thing off and I'm going to give Penny the final number and hopefully it does good for somebody. That's the key. So we're not asking for anything like, oh, you could pay us every week, every month, every year. No, we're not taking any of this. It's all going to a cause. And I like that cause.
    46:09
    And thanks again, Loser Kids and the pins. Yes. We were mentioned. We're always mentioned, Bruce. Yes, in a lot of bad ways. Motherfuckers. Sexy motherfucker. That's what they all say about me.
    46:24
    I don't know. I'm on another podcast with a Patreon, and my pockets are not swelling, Bruce. I think they are. I think David Dennis is giving you the conversion in Canadian.
    46:36
    So that other podcast is the Silver Ball Chronicles, which can be heard on the Pinball Network. Give that a listen to. Our latest episode was on Wayne Nines of Gottlieb. I just read the show notes for our upcoming episode. I think it's going to be a really good one. Don't want to give it away. You can't because the Patreon guys get it first. Well, they get to listen. There's nothing to do with knowing what the episode is. But they get it first. More importantly, they get it without the ads. Wow, they get it first, though.
    47:12
    All right, what else do I got on here? I got a golden ticket. You're so mean. I am. I'm an asshole. You are an asshole.
    47:23
    But let's see. So we did the we don't have much to talk about thing. No, which we already talked about almost an hour. Yeah, yeah. With the brief stuff in here. So, yeah, and at first we didn't really have much in the ball bag, but then, of course, we got a slew of them at the end. Oh, my. So we're going to do the ball bag or we're going to do the Facebook first? Let's do the book in the face first. Book in the face. I will rip off your terminology. I love that. So I had Bruce send out the we're short on subjects. What do you want us to talk about thing on our Facebook page?
    47:54
    Which is Slamtail Podcast, by the way. Just look up Slamtail Podcast on Facebook. You'll find it. Book in the face. So what do you got? Derek K., what do you think should happen by now in pinball? I'm surprised pinball games are still primarily manufactured in Chicago, for example. What should have happened by now, they should have been $25,000. Games should have been by now. We're talking a car pricing now. No, honestly, the thing I'm surprised about is getting rid of the distributors. I'm being honest. Most things are Amazon, that kind of stuff. You just buy, and you get it within the two-day instant gratification thing. I'm surprised that hasn't happened more and more. I know Jersey Jack has it, and I know Spooky has it. Okay, so you're surprised they still use distributors and don't just sell direct? Yes, and sell direct. Okay. And make more money. But I'm surprised that's still around. I'm surprised it took as long to get LCDs. Yeah. I think they lagged way behind with technology for a long time. Oh, yeah. They just milked and milked and milked. If you look at the progression from the time solid state happens, you got, like I say, 77. And the progression, even surviving a basically almost going out of business period in the early 80s. and you have alphanumerics then you get dmds in 90 91 but then you don't get lcds at all until basically wizard of oz yep in 2011 12 12 yeah jesus that was like 20 years it took that's 20 years of of dmds they were just so far behind and a lot of the technology things hey caveman was a great game oh god that oh no hey hey at least scott leap tried yep they tried ingraining the gators and baby pac-man we had your monitors back then and then you had your monitors in the late 90s with uh rfm and uh star wars episode one which we don't like to talk about at all that's just i'm just surprised it took as long i agree and and it literally took Jersey Jack to kick their ass to get them going. Yeah. They would have kept on DMD as long as they could. Yeah. But remember, it's not who invents it. It's who perfects it. Yeah. And I would say I prefer the Stern's smaller LCD screen. Me too. Than the humongous Jersey Jack screen. Yeah. I think it's just better. My neck hurts looking up so many times at the Jersey Jack. It's a better presentation for the art, and you keep the trans light there. I think you miss out on the cool translates on the Jersey Jack games because they can only really do the border. Yes. That's just me. Oh, and you, it sounds like. Yeah, I agree. All right. What else we got? Robert Frost. Talk about how Cheetah isn't going to reset in the middle of tournaments anymore. Already done. Well, yeah, you took care of that. Yes, I took care of that right now.
    50:58
    It will not reset at all. For at least a couple more weeks. Cabinet's all apart. Well, don't you have like 10 different cheetah cabinets just hanging out in the back? I have another one, but that one's just as bad. Oh. Yeah, so.
    51:14
    Albert A., I want to hear what you think about the new 2.0 kit coming and what the future they may have in pinball. We talked a little bit about this before, the 2.0 kits. They need to stop being so fucking weird. Yeah. They go so far away from the original theme. Expand on it. You know, I think, I hate to say, Dutch did okay with 2.0. I mean, it kept the basic story of the game. It didn't go too crazy. These kits, they're like, you know, Rudy's an evil clown or whatever, because, you know, all dummies are evil. I want to make a movie with a dummy who's actually not evil, just to buck the trend.
    51:54
    And, God, this whirlwind one looks just batshit insane. I know. Like they just – every idea they could think of, they just put in. I have to agree. What other games would you like to see a 2.0 kit? None. That you think would be helped by. It doesn't do anything for me. Okay. A good 2.0 kit. Maybe No Fear. Out of all the games, No Fear. Well, I'm saying because No Fear, the rules are very limited. They're basically ripoffs of Next Gen rules for the most part. You just reuse them. So if you actually expanded on it a little bit and made it more depth and maybe something else, maybe that would help that game. LCD screen, show guys in motorcycles crashing and stuff. Yeah, exactly. Or maybe Whodunit. Really expand on that. That'd be kind of two good ones, I think. Yeah, actually, do Whodunit, but do it like they did Galactic Tank Force, where they had actual actors with the green screen. Yes, exactly. You can make actors with the, uh, yeah, yeah. Okay. See? You got me going there. I'll do that. Yeah, see? Alright. I can see that. We can actually come up with one. Yeah, we actually came up with something that didn't suck. That was actually sounding like a good idea. See? All right. What else you got? Birdo M said, so co-host Zach mentioned he was getting a pin to complete a set. Remember that pin set he completed? Yeah, the doodles. You got it. Over the weekend, I picked up a road show and a Popeye. Zach Manny will be proud of me. Oh, my God. Popeye. Getting us the six of the seven Williams Y bodies, leaving the outrageously expensive Indiana Jones. It is overpriced. once i acquire this by cashing in some pin equity maybe trading our cv towards one i wouldn't do that would you i like circus voltaire i said why i actually like circus voltaire and oh my god i i said it a a papaduke game yeah although i have the best papaduke game that's probably the second best papaduke yeah you have to agree that's the second best one uh i'd love to host a wide body only tournament i'd probably borrow a few classics like paragon genie etc so the question is what should i name the tournament of wide body pins the wide load extravaganza the junk in the trunk battle royale help me with a wide body only tournament name fat ass games i don't know if that'll work but yes i think it works uh what else can we put as a name for that Pinball exercise Nah that doesn't work No no no For some people They might have a little height Or a little Arm stretch difficulties Stretch mark tournament Stretch mark Cause you got stretch marks Cause you're really big Wow What? I don't think so I like the wide load tournament That's good That is good I like that Yeah Big fucking ass pinball machine Tons of fun tournament but then you're saying they're fat and it is wide okay wide um wide load pinball tournament well i think you said that i know but i'm saying like you get the yellow banner like they do in the trucks and you have people following them in smaller pinball machines uh yeah yeah the wide load i yep i like that that's how you plug that one yep you use the wide load signs yes and you get smaller pinballs so they have to qualify to get up to the big boys there you go i like it okay uh jeremy t talk about your top five beavis and butthead episodes of what would make the perfect pinball machine oh now this is all in ron's wheelhouse now we're finally gonna hear ron talk i don't know there's there's way more than five i mean just every one of them i don't know if i can do five i don't think you can do five either no you have such a big catalog that you would just let me try to think uh i would definitely have um no laughing in there because That's just the first one I remember that I was like, I need to watch every episode ever made of the show. That was early on in the run, that one. And when they had the really shitty animation in the beginning. But it was just, yeah, they can't laugh. I still remember that by heart. Oh, it's so good.
    56:04
    You see, class, Beavis and Butthead here are not allowed to laugh for a whole week. And they're just trying to... Yes. will have to go to Hope High School while they get their asses kicked by all the other delinquents.
    56:20
    And that's real funny because you know what this week is? Sex Ed. That's fucking Sex Ed week. We're going to be talking about the penis. And he just gets right in his face.
    56:32
    He's like, turning red. God, I almost lost it that episode. I like a lot of the weirder ones. or maybe there's one that was called A Great Day, I think it was. Where just everything, they wake up, they go to school it's like, it's a holiday you idiot, there is no school, like oh! So then they walk down the street and there's a freaking accident happens right in front of them and they're like, cool!
    56:57
    And then they see blood on the sidewalk and they go and it's some dude, like just perfect animation too, he'd look like a serial killer. And they're like, yeah, there's like blood out here and he thinks that they're blackmailing him. So he just gives them money then they come back later with like a dead bird as he's putting a body in his trunk and he gives them more money and then they end up at the uh the maxi mart at the end and todd shows up guys i need some money and they just give it to him like he's like thanks then he backs up and hits somebody and he gets out of his car and starts punching the dude yep and they're like this is a really great day yes it is i love that episode um And, God, I could go on and on. Yeah, I know. TV violence where they go to Stewart's house because he just got satellite. Yeah. And they just, like, watch violent stuff. And the mom keeps stopping it. No, put on baseball. So they're watching the baseball game. Here's the pitch. Oh, he hit him right in the nuts. He hit him in the testicles.
    57:59
    He's going, he's charging them out. Hit him with the bat. Yeah, yeah. Oh, as far as the game, I mean... Hold on. What would you rather see? Tiny dancer or... Oh, that's not even... I know, exactly. That's the problem with J.J.P. I don't know where they're getting their theme ideas from. It's more family friendly, unless it's Guns N' Roses. Yeah, exactly. Or Godfather. Exactly. So what the fuck?
    58:31
    I don't know. Well, I think when we had Elin on, he mentioned it had to have a couch. So we'll go again. It has to have the couch and a TV. The problem is showing the videos. But the thing is now with the new season, they're showing a lot, a lot of web stuff that you don't have to pay rights for. It's just shit out on the internet. So that's perfect.
    58:52
    You could just use that shit. You don't have to worry about the music videos. No, I know. There have to be some kind of overarching plot. Like the video game, I think they were trying to get to a GWAR concert. instead of trying to find pieces of the ticket. And then they get to the GWAR concert, and if you do the secret thing, you actually go past security and you end up in the GWAR concert as part of GWAR. So if you complete all six modes you're in, there you go. I like that. I mean, something like that. Yeah, but I think there's a lot of possibilities. But I think, I'll be close at the end of the day. Or... I'm picking fucking Beavis and Butthead any fucking day. What the hell are they thinking of, boy? God damn it. Okay.
    59:40
    What else you got? Neil W. In the Spike 2 era, last seven years, Stern has put out 21 cornerstone pinballs. So many new rules and shots to learn. I find I have better success and enjoy myself more in the classic tournaments. Agree. What are the big classic tournaments over the years that I shouldn't miss? Pembroke. You missed it. Unfortunately, you missed it. What's it called? Never Rains in California. What's it? It Never Drains in Southern California. Indus Classics. Indus Classics is really big. I would say if you want to play for 24 hours, go to the Sanctum. Yep. Because the majority of the games are classics. Yep. Of course, the world-famous Rochester Pinball Collective has lots of classics.
    60:27
    I got yelled at a couple days ago. Uh-oh. What'd you do? By Ashley. You took out Stargazer. Where the hell is Stargazer?
    60:37
    It's in Bruce's house. It's in my house now. I said, we have one here. She's like, it's buried. I'm like, I know.
    60:46
    What other one was I thinking of? There was another one I was thinking of. Oh, well, Pacific Pinball Expo, if they ever have that. I don't know if they have that, but because they had the most EMs. Yes, they did. But he said tournament. I don't know if they have a tournament. So, yeah, I mean, you can go District A, too. Yep. They have a lot of the older games there. He's improving the EMs. He got rid of some shitty EMs and replaced them with a dual bug. Oh, God, thank you. So that's good.
    61:14
    That's about all I can think of. I mean, Pinnberg would have been the ultimate one. Pinnberg is the ultimate one. Or Papa. R.I.P. Yeah, or Papa, of course. Well, it's all the same games. I know, but still, you know, Papa had the days of each day. Oh, yeah, they had the classics. Yeah, they had the classics. Classic 1, 2, you know. Yeah, yeah. It was really good. Yeah, and Indisc. Yeah.
    61:37
    John L., poor Ron, getting kicked on for TPN for your take on Star Wars. Loved it. I think that was the best take of the whole thing. No. And Pool Boy Bruce. Pool Boy? Yep, I opened a pool this week. Oh.
    61:51
    Is it warm? It's not warm yet. I haven't peed in it yet. Ah. Ew. No, it's right now. It's actually at 68 degrees. Almost hit the magic number.
    62:04
    But, yeah, we opened it this week. I got to bring the water over to the place and see if my alkalinity is up to snuff. Wait a minute. You have to bring your water somewhere? Yes. You can have strips, but to get a professional testing, they actually, you pour the water in, and they test it in the thing. I remember we had a pool. We just had a little tester kit thing. Yeah, you have the tester kit, but this is like a professional thing, you know. Oh, professional. And while you're there, then you can buy their chemicals. You've got to make sure your water is the right whatever. Alkalinity, pH. Alkalinity.
    62:36
    Alkalinity. pH. Was that the Unknown Police album? Alkalinity. That was the sequel to Synchronicity. Alkalinity.
    62:46
    Alkalinity. Yikes. Yes. So that's all for on the Facebook and the book and the face side. So now you have the other side. The ball bag.
    62:57
    I was very grateful that you did not use the ball bag until I came in. Oh, yeah, we saved the ball bag.
    63:04
    Okay, here we go. First one. This is from Jeff. Jeff S. Ron. Oh, it's to me. Wow, I love the changes to your show. Steph and Zach were great. and I soon forgot the name of the other guy who co Slam Till Not co Zach is a strong anchor who brings a lot of background in pinball Steph was good at catching and pointing out the BS of the two hosts that bothered to show up She made good comments, too. The less I think about Bruce, the better. That's totally true. BS, I bet your insurance premiums dipped after removing the high-risk, high-maintenance, and overall high problem.
    63:43
    I'm Mr. Fix-It, so that's not a high problem. so we they like the new format good he's gonna be upset that i don't know i can actually go to sleep and sleep more yeah this is fucking excellent all right um this one's from uh donna dana donna i'm saying it wrong i apologize hi slam till crew just a heads up in case you didn't know already i sent this to bruce and he immediately was like yo yeah i'm aware i don't think there's any auction that happens that bruce doesn't know about came across an upcoming uh it's a state sale auction with lots of decent pin titles coming up in virginia yep yeah one of them was a um radical radical i know i'd love that but he thought the prices were no they're not ridiculous right now but you still got i think it's got another week or two actually hold on let's go to it yeah bruce this could be your chance to get that radical you always wanted Yeah, then I'll hear from Zach that, oh, your radical is not as nice as mine. What, Zach has a radical? He does. Not Zach, the other Zach. Oh, the other. There's too many freaking Zachs. There's too many fucking Zachs in this world. Zach Mini has one. Yes, he does.
    64:56
    So I'm looking up. I've got to get to my messenger. While you're looking that up. I'm looking this up. You can keep on talking. Keep on talking. Let's see. Oh, Robert. Robert emailed us back. It was Robert's shirt, his dialed-in shirt that I wore during stop. Yes, which we took a picture of. Yeah, we put it on our Facebook page also. Everyone got to see how excited Bruce looked. That was after my day of shit. Yeah, you got happier later on. We do agree on that one. He says, glad to see you wearing the logo, Rob. Yes, it's the best game.
    65:29
    The best JJP, without a doubt. Dialed in. No? I don't know about that. I thought our commentary was awesome, by the way, at Stomp, especially by the end. We say how it is. Someone would dream. Yeah, I'm not going to pull punches. Bruce would be like, oh, total fumble there. It's like, yes, this is the kind of announcing we need. What's wrong with that?
    65:51
    Tell me why that's bad. Tell me. Tell me why is it such a bad way? Tell me why. You're not fostering positivity in the pinball world. But it's the Slam Tilt stream, so we're going to say whatever we want. Yes. Fuck yeah. Yeah. Fuck yeah.
    66:13
    Let's see. This next one is from Daniel. What's up, Slam Crew? I was wondering if you guys could give me your thoughts on a couple of games, okay? Okie dokie. I have a buddy who's trying to sell me a Baracora and Gorgar, both fully restored and in mint condition. I've got a bar lined up where I can put the two machines. Oh, this is for you, Bruce. One of which will be a Star Wars premium. Woo-hoo! Actually, for a bar, wouldn't that be good, Bruce? Because everyone does know Star Wars. Everyone does know. Yes, I totally agree with that. Oh, okay, wow. It's still shitty, though. Whatever. I'm considering getting one of these two games to go alongside it. So he wants the game to go alongside this premium Star Wars. Or maybe both, if I can get a good package deal. Oh, my. The town that I'm putting it in has a pretty decent pinball scene, but has zero single-level playfield games. I'd like to tap into that market.
    67:09
    Let's see. What do you guys think about these games from a casual player, tournament player, and operator perspective? Hmm. Mm-hmm. I mean, Barricor is a better game. Mm-hmm. But Gorgar talks and has cooler art.
    67:23
    How about you, Bruce? I like Barricor better. Gorgar just, eh. From a tournament player, Barakor is definitely better. Yes. Casual player, I think Gorgar could catch your eye more because of that back glass. It's probably one of the best back glasses William's ever did.
    67:43
    And it's got the heartbeat. Do-do. I love that. Do-do. And a magnet. And he talks. So I don't know. I think almost from an operator perspective, I'd probably put Gorgar on there.
    67:56
    Yeah. So this weekend, it's actually coming up. So when this weekend coming up, the auction, yes. There's a lot of good titles on here. You can even get a Bad Cats that's not even faded.
    68:08
    Bad Cats. Yes, this is one of my favorite creations. Yes, it is. This is also a live auction. So you're going to be dealing with people on site and at the auction. You got Black Knight 2000, Batman. Wait, wait, wait. On site and at the auction? Isn't that the same thing? Well, also, and they also have online bidding also. Okay, so on location and remote bidders. Yes, remote bidders, yes. And they can just be jacking it up. So that's what I don't like when they do the mixed thing.
    68:37
    Oh, we got another guy on the internet. Oh, another guy on the internet. I'm like, really? They got a Radical Party Zone Popeye hook. I remember watching, it was an auction for magic stuff, props. I think it was a big auction. And the guy on the remote bidder kept winning everything, and it turns out it was David Copperfield. Oh, my God. He was, like, buying everything. Must have it all.
    69:04
    Got to have it all. So, I don't know. For a casual player, I would say Gorgar. I mean, tournament players are going to pick Barracore all day. Barracore. But, I mean, if someone comes in from a – No, I don't think Barracore is going to look great like that. No, they're going to look at the fish head lady and go, what the fuck is that? Yeah, exactly. I think for location, definitely Gorgar. But for playing, I definitely want to go to a Barakora first. Let's see. What value would you put on these games? So what does a mint restored Gorgar and Barakora go for? I have no idea. I don't know. 25 to 3 for the Gorgar probably if it's minty, minty fresh, and probably 4 for the Barakora now. It's fucking just nutty. Yeah, because it's rarer. Oh, yes, more emails from Daniel. Oh, yeah, and to add a little bit of perspective, the bar is a nerdy board game bar with lots of medieval-type decorations and such. It has pretty good clientele and traffic. Go find a Medieval Madness. Yeah, go find a Medieval Madness. No, no, cheaper. Get a Dungeons & Dragons game. There you go. And then they'll all hate you after that, after a couple days. No, well, when they hear the music, they'll realize how cool it is. Probably the best music to shittiest game ratio.
    70:13
    With a cool idea, the inline's up a ramp. I think it's a pretty cool idea. Did it ever do that again? No. Thank God. Wait a minute. Both the Gorgar and the Baracora have been freshly clear-coated. Ooh. What do you think? Does that make it any more expensive? Nah, not really. Let's see. He's got a link to it on Pinside. It's selling for $7,500, and it's got a cross through it. So I don't know if that means it sold for $7,500 or he's lowered the price or what. I don't know what that means. Yeah.
    70:47
    It's kind of scary. It is restored. Oh, they made it. Oh, okay. Do you remember at Allentown, those legs they were selling with the graphics in them? They have this in this.
    71:01
    It says Gorgar on it. I would put something other than the title of the game. Yeah. I hunger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or something like that. What does he say? Like, me got you or something. I put that on there. Me got you. Do-do.
    71:16
    Do-do. and everyone knew that the blimp was at stomp oh the good year the good year blimp yeah was outside stop actually it was there for the uh no it wasn't no yeah it was there for the pga championship which was going on but you can't prove that at all okay so i think that's yeah i think that's it well that's it we went through the ball bag has been emptied oh my so let's see i wouldn't mind a nice shorter episode i'm sick of editing yeah we've kind of nice uh we do have a couple repairs we're going to talk about first repairs i need help oh you need help yes that tells you how bad oh my goodness okay rotation eight god it's still not ready yet no because we have a column out uh you mean lights no oh it's everything so on the midway rotation eight board they use a z80 processor with a couple other things to control the switch matrix the light matrix and the uh everything So it's multiplexing. And one of our rows, sorry, one of our, not columns, sorry, one of our rows is out. Not columns, sorry, row is out. And all the transistors are testing fine, which could be part of the problem. I can't see a Z80 chip being bad or something else, and they're not even socketed, which is really shitty. So if anyone has any help who has touched rotation 8 boards, I know John Robertson from flippers.com. we're going to put out an email to him probably if we don't get any local responses or anybody else to figure out why we have a row out nothing works on it including the displays part of the this is how bad this game is part of the display driver is also run off the same row so the third digit thousands or yeah the thousands digit is completely out also and it all goes through one row.
    73:28
    So we have some ideas for transistors, but they all test good, but we just might shotgun it and see what happens. So that's our fun part. And looking at these schematics, they are pretty good, except for when you're trying to figure out what the resistor is. They don't have the resistor values or that kind of stuff also. So if anyone can help out or if you know anybody who's worked on one of these boards before, PM us, give us an email, contact us. We need your help. We need you, soldier. We need your help. Yes. Anybody good at woodworking? Come on over and we can work on a cheetah together.
    74:07
    I got to buy the wood this week. That'll be my fun part. And then we'll put that piece in there and get her back together and then rewire it all. Bruce gets wood. I get wood. A whole lot of wood. Let's see. What did I do? I did minor stuff. I did the thing. I hate when this happens. So Meteor, I had about four of my rocket lights go out, the three rows of the rockets in the middle. So, of course, in replacing them, the wire comes off. I just love that. So then I got to get soldering iron out, solder that back on. I readjusted the flippers. I didn't like their alignment.
    74:48
    And I think it plays better now. What else did I do? Oh, Demoman. One of the stand-ups, I think it's the center stand-up, the rectangular ones, not the circle ones. The one that's right next to the ramp on the right side that gets pounded. It keeps moving to the right, and it was too loose, so I actually tightened the rivets. I still have my old handheld rivet press tool, which works pretty good. It does not move easily now, I'll say that. That's good. So I did that. What else? I was getting Rush ready for the Expression Light installation. Yay. Dad's coming over today so he can get the play field out and get those in. Yay. It's exciting.
    75:36
    Oh, yeah, make sure your dip switches are right. We talked about that last time. Here's the funny thing is, it's in the directions.
    75:45
    Well, no, it's in the documentation. See, the documentation that comes with it, it has the directions. Like step one, do this. Step two, do this. Step three. It goes through all that. Then the last couple of pages are just like schematics and other info. And on one of the pages, it's got the note board and it has the dip switches, like what they're supposed to be. But why don't you put it in the main? Yeah, it should just make a step that says, ensure your dip switches are correct. Refer to page 12, page whatever. Or just make it refer to last page. That way you can use it for every step. Yeah, set your dip switches up for this machine. So the information is there, but it doesn't tell you to look at it.
    76:29
    So for me, what else? Ashley finished the touch-ups on free fall. Yeah, I'm free. Free ballin'. Free ballin', yes. Yes. So hopefully we'll get the head back on, we'll start diagnosing it, and we'll get free fall working. Will that be game 50? Nope. Oh.
    76:53
    Hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry. That's downstairs. I've got to finish up the Transformer on that one. I put a new board in, and I haven't just turned it on. Is it more than meets the eye? More than meets the eye. Oh, God, there's another Transformer movie coming out, isn't there? Yes, I know. I saw that, and I was like, oh, my God. Yes, stop the insanity. Stop. Please. Stop the stomp. No more Transformer movies. No more Star Wars movies. No more Star Trek movies. Just let it die. Let it move on. I know. It's like, figure something out. All the franchises have been ruined at this point. Move on. Figure something new out, people. They want to remake all these. Like Little Mermaid. Why? We have it in cartoon. It works great. We had Peter Pan in cartoon. That was great. Indiana Jones, are you ready for the Dial of Destiny? Oh, God. Get me off my walker.
    77:45
    Where's my whip? Yeah, I know. I was just like, stop, guys, please. Well, you know what? You know what? This upcoming Sunday. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. Sunday the 4th at 7 p.m. I will be going to Colony Center Regal Cinemas, and I will be watching Raiders of the Lost Ark.
    78:09
    So you're not going to be in New York City doing the bar crawl. The bar crawl? Yeah, Joe's doing a bar crawl down in New York City. Oh. I don't go to bars, Bruce. Yours is the only bar I went to. There's pinball, though.
    78:27
    Like Sunshine Laundromat just reopened, but they have like five games now. I know. They used to have like 30 or something. Yes, they did. Yeah. A lot more room. That's what they had. Yeah. That was their tagline. I was like, really? That's not a great tagline to be using.
    78:41
    Something like their landlord says they can't have more or it's a violation or something. I don't know. It's New York City. I'm inclined to believe there is some kind of rule there. Probably. Just have a porn shop, and then they'll never come in like they did in the movie. In the movie? What? Porn shop? Yeah, pinball.
    79:00
    There was a porn shop? Yes, that's where the pinball machines were for Roger Sharps. Oh, Jesus. Okay, yeah. There was. I haven't seen the movie, Bruce. Oh, I have it. You can come by anytime. I'll bring it out to you. I have it also, Bruce, and I still haven't watched it. What the fuck are you doing? I'm sorry. Just haven't been in the mood to watch that movie. Even more in the mood for the Pornhub. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I've been watching mostly Hong Kong action flicks.
    79:29
    Hong Kong phooey? Yeah. Lots and lots of action. It's so much better. It's so much better than American stunt work. Of course, they have probably next to no safety, and they couldn't get insurance, and half the shit you probably couldn't do anymore without getting arrested hong kong phoey yes i love hong kong phoey that's the pinball machine we need you need the jackie champ pinball just stunts everywhere like the ball falls off a clock through several canopies to the ground or the the ball oh you could do this too you have a magnetic pole and the ball jumps over to the magnetic pole slides down just like in police story it goes through and while the lights go off and oh you could totally do that with a pinball now thinking about it they kind of did it in pinball magic with the wand thing yes they did you could do that oh that would be awesome i'm sorry i'm getting off track he's getting all giddy about himself yeah but see that's an action movie that could actually be something that's good for pinball you know action no we need police academy uh okay you could do that too you got the blue oyster colt in the corner like they did for the the strip joint the other guy who does all the sound effects yeah who was in Spaceballs too yes he was I got the bleeps and the creeps actually where's the Spaceballs pin that's what I want to know I don't know why or Mel Brooks pins you know the whole movie collection yeah I'd rather just get the Spaceballs the pinball machine Spaceballs the t-shirt Spaceballs yes exactly it's all marketing Marketing, marketing, marketing.
    81:13
    Much a nice, much a nice, much a nice. That's how he says it. We also have the doll. May the Schwartz be with you. The kids love it. Isn't he adorable? The kids love it.
    81:28
    All right. I'm out of material. You're out of material. You're done. You blew your wad. You're done. Yes. Okay, Bruce. All right. There you go. So where do they reach us, Ron? And don't forget, Lyman, 31st, donate, please, anything you can, 510. I've had a donation of $4.20. What does that tell you? That tells me something about what they do in their spare time. Exactly. So come on out. Give us anything. It all goes to Lyman in Lyman's name for suicide prevention last week. Thank you, guys. So that's wizard underscore mode at yahoo.com. and we are the slam tilt podcast you can send us correspondence at slam tilt podcast at gmail.com that's slam tilt podcast at gmail.com check out our website www.slam tilt podcast.com in the upper right hand corner all our links are there uh maybe this upcoming week if i get the expression lights into rush i'll stream that because i streamed when the topper was installed Now we've got to have an expression lighting stream, I guess. Express yourself. Yes. Thanks to everyone in our Cluster Valk. Yep. Hi, Steve. Hi, Zach. The new host of the Slam Tilt Podcast. Yes. Hi. Thanks, Loser Kids, again. Yes, thank you very much. Everyone else in the Cluster Valk, Mr. and Mrs. Penn, the world, hi, Steph, et cetera, everybody in the entire universe. This has been Episode 207. Until next time, say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Brian Cosner.
    83:34
    We'll be right back. Oh my