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Don's Pinball Podcast (patreon feed)·podcast_episode·18m 16s·analyzed·Nov 18, 2024

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TL;DR

Don discusses American Pinball's struggles, cancelled games, and Spooky's upcoming announcements.

Summary

Don, host of Don's Pinball Podcast, discusses behind-the-scenes developments at American Pinball following their ownership transition, including details about cancelled or delayed games like Food Truck and Masters of the Universe. He also covers rumors about Spooky Pinball's upcoming release timeline and his media coverage plans for upcoming industry events including IAAPA and Freeplay.

Key Claims

American Pinball received legal threats regarding a Spirit Halloween meme Don made in October of the previous year
high confidence · Don directly recounted receiving legal threat texts about tortious interference after creating the meme
American Pinball was developing a game called Food Truck that was abandoned in favor of Barbecue
high confidence · Don stated he saw whitewood photos of Food Truck and described its features (upper playfield with soda fountain targets, fry basket ball lock) before the pivot to Barbecue
American Pinball spent six figures developing new boards and custom plastic ramps for a game (implied to be Yukon Yeti)
medium confidence · Don speculated about why American Pinball chose to release lower-cost Barbecue instead of a $12,000+ game, citing bill of materials investment
American Pinball's Galactic Tank Force units are not moving at $16,000 price point
high confidence · Don stated directly: 'Galactic Tank Force just came out, you know, $16,000 units are not moving'
American Pinball had a Masters of the Universe license that required a deposit/licensing fee to proceed, and the licensor requested proof of progress
medium confidence · Don relayed second-hand account: 'they had a license, like it may have been masters of the universe, man, and it was time for them to pay the licensor their deposit...the material holder said, well, what do you have to show us?'
Cuphead for American Pinball lacks ordered parts and cannot commit to a launch date
medium confidence · Don speculated: 'If they need the cash to get the parts in so they can put this game into production, maybe that's why it hasn't released...Cuphead's parts are not available yet'
Spooky Pinball's new game announcement may come within the next week or two
medium confidence · Don stated: 'I think we're going to know more soon. And it might be soon like this next week. So if they're releasing in November, I kind of think it would happen'

Notable Quotes

“Get out of here with that. Get out of here with that. So I decided at the time, I'm just not going to cover this company at all. If they're going to be sending me legal threats, that's not cool, man.”
Don @ early in episode — Explains why Don's coverage of American Pinball ceased after receiving legal threats over a meme
“I saw pictures of the whitewood of Food Truck. It looks so much better than the barbecue. It looked fun. It looked fun. It was an upper playfield that had three stand-up targets that looked like a soda fountain.”
Don @ mid-episode — Describes cancelled American Pinball game Food Truck's gameplay design before pivot to Barbecue
“Galactic Tank Force just came out, you know, $16,000 units are not moving. We don't want to release another game that's going to be like $12,000 for the top end one.”
Don @ mid-episode — Indicates poor sales performance of recent American Pinball release affecting future pricing decisions
“If they need the cash to get the parts in so they can put this game into production, maybe that's why it hasn't released. I hate to say it, but that also makes the most sense.”
Don @ mid-episode — Speculates about cash flow constraints preventing Cuphead from moving into production
“And he's like, better move it up. And I'm like, what? Are you serious?”
Don @ late-episode — Reports interaction with Spooky Pinball's Bug at Pinball Expo suggesting imminent announcement
“Between now and then, I think we're going to see some new love from Spooky Pinball. And I think that's cool.”
Don @ late-episode — Teases upcoming Spooky Pinball announcement in the near term

Entities

Donperson American PinballcompanyDave FixpersonJonpersonSpooky PinballcompanyBugpersonPapa DukepersonBarbecuegameFood Truckgame

Signals

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business_signal: American Pinball's Galactic Tank Force units at $16,000 price point are not moving, forcing strategy shift to lower-cost release (Barbecue) to generate revenue
high · Don: 'Galactic Tank Force just came out, you know, $16,000 units are not moving. We don't want to release another game that's going to be like $12,000 for the top end one.'
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product_concern: Cuphead lacks ordered parts and cannot commit to production/launch date; American Pinball appears unable to fund parts procurement
medium · Don speculated: 'If they need the cash to get the parts in so they can put this game into production, maybe that's why it hasn't released. I hate to say it, but that also makes the most sense.'
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machine_intel: Food Truck, an American Pinball game featuring upper playfield soda fountain targets and fry basket ball lock, was abandoned in favor of lower-cost Barbecue release
high · Don saw whitewood photos and described detailed features before pivot; contrasted it favorably to released Barbecue
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regulatory_signal: American Pinball sent legal threats to Don in October regarding a Spirit Halloween meme he created about the company's rumored sale, citing tortious interference
high · Don directly recounted receiving texts about legal concerns after creating the meme; decided to stop covering the company as a result
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licensing_signal: American Pinball's Masters of the Universe license required deposit/licensing fee payment and licensor review of game progress, but company lacked sufficient development to show for approval

Topics

American Pinball's operational and financial crisisprimaryCancelled and delayed American Pinball games (Food Truck, Masters of the Universe, Cuphead)primaryGalactic Tank Force's poor commercial performanceprimarySpooky Pinball's imminent game announcementprimaryDon's relationship with American Pinball and recovery from legal disputesecondaryPinball media coverage and content strategysecondaryLicensing constraints and IP deal management in pinballmentioned

Sentiment

mixed(0.35)— Don is sympathetic toward American Pinball staff he knows personally (Dave Fix) but deeply concerned about the company's viability and decision-making. Tone shifts to optimism when discussing Spooky Pinball's upcoming announcements. Overall sense of worry about American Pinball's future tempers otherwise positive industry sentiment.

Transcript

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Pinball, pinball ultradeck, pinball💛 했. Out penhander grade yay This week in Pinball, we have some jams a little bit here with Kool and the gang as we go depth into more behind the scenes stuff. I just finished recording episode 148. Now this episode started with a discussion about American Pinball and what in the ever-loving heck is happening over there. I'm caught. I'm torn. Because I'm friends with these guys, right? So they had reached out to me. You know, there was a rumor that Ametron was being sold and everything was going belly up or American Pinball was being sold. The case of the pinball. It was October last year. It was October last year when that happened. And me, you know, just having right place, right time. Decided to make a meme commemorating all the talk online about America Pinball and their impending sale. So I found online on Google Maps, Google image search a picture of their factory and then I just, you know, photoshopped a Spirit pinball, Spirit pinball, Spirit Halloween banner out in front of it, you know. Just because like that was a meme like a year ago, right? We were all doing spirit Halloween memes. You know, like, if some business wasn't doing well, you would make a joke by putting a spirit Halloween thing up there. You know, people were complaining about, you know, Disneyland or something not doing that, something they liked, so they just like found some image, made a grayscale, and then put a spirit Halloween there, like it's over, right? It was a meme. It was very much 2003. 2023. So then I get people texting me like, Don, you should look up torturous interference of a business or something, like I stepped on someone's toes or something making an internet meme. Get out of here with that. Get out of here with that. So I decided at the time, I'm just not going to cover this company at all. If they're going to be sending me legal threats, that's not cool, man. It's not cool, it's not fun, it's not helpful. And it kind of goes against everything that I am here, which is, you know, fun, helpful, and I try to be cool. So I wrote them off. And then I get a call from their new sales director. Hey Don, we wanna connect man, why don't you come by the factory? And I'm like, oh my god, are they gonna kidnap me? What's going on? But I threw caution to the wind, headed on down there, and they were ready to launch a new game, and that game was Barrio's Barbecue Challenge. And this is about a week before the reveal. So this was March, so all this kind of bled over from October into March. So I go in there and I'm like, I was hearing the rumors that they had a Barrio game, I thought it was Food Truck. By the way, I saw pictures of the Whitewood of Food Truck. It looks so much better than the barbecue. It looked fun. It looked fun. It was an upper playfield that had three, um, three stand-up targets that looked like a soda fountain. So as you would hit those, you would like make different drinks and things. Kinda fun. Like a throwback to diner, you know? You get up at the upper playfield and you gotta make that drink or whatever. It had a fry basket, like a deep fryer basket that would hold two balls as a physical ball lock and then I'm assuming they would dump out of there. So fun. So fun. This Week in Pinball, Black Water, Kaneda's Pinball Podcast, Twippies Awards, transliteelectronic Brian Bowen, Dave Anderson belleondond Strangezenop interject.mickeweight, jajennap impatpipe, undf convictions énorma, khaliacon. benim husn't I want to hand it Here we are Sergeant can zen and Charlie Ah, on the other hand I think so. So what is the real purpose of low-level ball nickname packages? The bottom line there is we can Initially use them to and understand Everyone in the blog will understand the nature of ball nicknames I text him You know if I with a friend or something that hasn been there we swing by the factory You know Dave Fix has always been gracious walked me around and stuff even after hours when everybody goes home You know so like the guy been cool to me right He bought me food which makes you cool like for life for me man So like I don want them to fail or nothing But I don know what the decision behind releasing This Week in Pinball, Black Water, Kaneda's Pinball Podcast, Terminate It'll gets released in Berrio's BBQ challenge. And I think that was the thinking. I think that was the thinking. I think they were looking at the bill of materials to make Yukon Yeti with all the plastic ramps that need to be custom made and all that. They had just laid down six figures to come up with these new boards and everything. And so then it would probably be a big ask to be like, all right, we want to, you know, grant the photo. Galactic Tank Force just came out, you know, $16,000 units are not moving. We don't want to release another game that's going to be like $12,000 for the top end one. This Week in Pinball, Black Water, Kaneda's Pinball Podcast, Twippies Awards, transliteelectronic Huge Logitech freezer Shift pain andiscuous transliteregonate Octaneunov Housecares. Michal MORA to sell out at near So here all this revenue we going to get and then we going to run into this will be our next project for the next year And then you show back up and it like well that must have been an uncomfortable meeting Must have been an uncomfortable meeting Hey let do that you know third quarter follow up How are those signature editions going Did they sell out Well well I don know I don think they did I honestly think they did Um so what do they do now Now they like okay well you know what I had heard is they had a license like it may have been masters of the university man and it was time for them to pay the licensor their deposit or their licensing fee or something so they could get to work and get final approval And when they went over to get the money the money holder said Well what do you got to show us And I guess what they had to show or they didn have much to show This Week in Pinball, Black Water, Kaneda's Pinball Podcast, Twippies Awards, translite proportering panel in backbox that is backlit during playelectronic Game of Thrones unint This Week in Pinball, Blackwater, Knapparcade, Pinballbedingt And I was like, gosh, what's the guy's name? The Sonic kid. I keep forgetting his name whenever I'm recording. But like, this is like his big game. He's working on it nearly two years now and like wants to show it, but needs the money. You gotta get the parts, man. Have they not ordered the parts yet? If they need the cash to get the parts in so they can put this game into production, maybe that's why it hasn't released. I hate to say it, but that also makes the most sense. It makes the most sense to me that Cuphead's parts are not available yet, so they can't commit to a date to launch this thing because thing. mandor hanging subtree Unh intéressant Bring Part Cary Hardy cancellium C유 B avec l'oeilmail Isaac Normal growth Pay languages Illust Alum You know, kick off polycade, kick some new, you know, find your niche within the hobby and then bring us some good games, please. I just don't think it's happening. And I'm worried. I'm honestly worried. What else is going on? Are we going to see Spooky's new game? I haven't heard anything. I was talking to Bug and I was teasing him at Expo and I'm like, hey dude, I'm going to start telling everybody that your game's coming out the day after Christmas, so get ready. And he's like, better move it up. And I'm like, what? Are you serious? StreamloaderCanada, StreamloaderFanChannel, narrings accusedinline.com Alland, And it's fine. It's fine. Even if I did have something to tell you, like a little tease or something, I wouldn't be able to tell you what the next thing is. And you'd be just as heartbroken, like, I'm going to want to know more. I think we're going to know more soon. And it might be soon like this next week. So if they're releasing in November, I kind of think it would happen. Either it would have to be the week before Thanksgiving or the week after. And Thanksgiving is the last week. 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I may be over there. So that'll be super cool I got myself. I just I felt out there their media application and I didn't expect to hear anything and then pretty pretty short order I got an email back saying like we'd love to have you here. So I'll be going around covering all of that Dwyane kitnarkey, and other pinball podcasting personality. I'll just put that out there. I don't want to reveal it just yet because I want it to be a surprise. It's going to be fun. But that's going to be coming up in just a month. Between now and then, I think we're going to see some new love from Spooky Pinball. And I think that's cool. And I think it's time to see where we are in the YouTube Disco playlist. What's the best thing you've learned and what's your favorite part of the game? Man, it's been hard to shake off like the post-election Nonsense and just try to like try to be stress Put your best face forward feel the Sun on your face. Just kind of where I'm getting now And so let's get back into the good times. Let's control the things that we have control over We won't sweat the things we don't have control over And we'll try to get through this together Interpatientally expected啦!