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Episode 143 – Daniel Wants Stars

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Apr 8, 2020
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TL;DR

COVID lockdown episode covering bar closure, Frankencheetah restoration, and 2020 tournament scheduling chaos.

Summary

Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale discuss their pinball bar's closure during COVID-19 lockdown (April 2020), Bruce's Amazon warehouse work, and his extensive restoration of a Cheetah machine he acquired in pieces over two years. They cover pinball show cancellations (Replay FX, Pintastic, potential rescheduling of Allentown), discuss a new '26-hour Stomp' tournament concept, game rentals, tournament scheduling changes, and deep technical troubleshooting of vintage Stern/Bally machines including light board replacements and solenoid matrix issues.

Key Claims

  • Sam Stern Pinball got lazy with schematics in late 1979-early 1981 when games weren't selling well, providing incomplete documentation for games like Cheetah versus complete Flight 2000 documentation.

    high confidence · Bruce Nightingale describing his schematic research frustration during Cheetah restoration

  • Bally machines have independent solenoid circuits (PR3/PR4/PR7 configurations) where certain coils (like coin door lock) have their own direct CPU-to-driver lines rather than shared busing.

    high confidence · Bruce explaining solenoid matrix discovery after troubleshooting Frankencheetah Q18 transistor issue

  • New York State quarantine was expected to last until approximately May 30th (Memorial Day weekend), not April 30th as officially stated.

    medium confidence · Ron and Bruce speculating on COVID-19 lockdown duration in late April 2020

  • Electric bill for Silver Ball Saloon dropped from typical $1,200/month to $53/month during partial March closure due to reduced machine operation.

    high confidence · Ron reporting utility cost savings during bar closure

  • Pinball replacement parts vendor offers custom light boards for multiple Stern/Bally games including Alien Poker, Nineball, Meteor, Freefall, Flight 2000, Cheetah, Catacomb, Big Game, Kiss, and Fathom.

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce discussing available aftermarket light board options

  • IFPA (International Flipper Pinball Association) moved their 2020 world championship to November and tentatively to Illinois location (with April Fool's joke that it would be at 'Josh's house').

    medium confidence · Ron and Bruce discussing IFPA championship rescheduling due to COVID

  • Replay FX Pittsburgh convention cannot be moved or rescheduled due to venue being booked 3+ years in advance by the largest convention center.

    high confidence · Bruce explaining structural impossibility of Replay FX relocation

  • Frankencheetah restoration required replacing approximately 50 light sockets over two years of part-swapping for other games.

Notable Quotes

  • “This is the game from hell... I literally Franken-cheated it using a Nineball one with three extra at the bottom were individual sockets.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ mid-episode — Describes creative solution to light board shortage for Cheetah restoration using parts from Nineball machine

  • “Sam Stern Pinball in the late 79, early 80, 81, really got lazy with their schematics when the games were not doing well for sales... the schematics are very crappy, very sparse.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ mid-episode — Identifies manufacturing documentation inconsistency as a restoration challenge

  • “If one doesn't work all don't work. Until I finally started looking really at the schematic going, no, it's actually it's its own direct line.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ mid-episode — Discovery of independent solenoid circuit architecture challenging traditional understanding

  • “My electric bill this – it was part of the month of March – was $53... Normally my electric bill is $1,200.”

    Ron Hallett @ mid-episode — Quantifies utility cost reduction during COVID bar closure

  • “I want to be original. What you saw in 1980 or 81, this is what you saw.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ late-episode — Expresses restoration philosophy prioritizing authenticity over modernization (incandescent vs LED lighting)

  • “26 hours of stomp. Oh, my God. Okay. What do you think? We can do 26 hours straight at the bar. Oh, no.”

    Ron Hallett / Bruce Nightingale @ mid-episode — Proposes experimental extended tournament format in response to cancellations

  • “There's no way that's happening. And they will wait until they're told they have to cancel.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ mid-episode — Cynical assessment of event organizer behavior during COVID uncertainty

  • “Everyone, like, don't put Lord of the Rings in the tournament. Well, I'll just do this stuff to it and then put it in.”

Entities

Ron HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonChuck WebsterpersonZach SharpepersonSorenpersonMatt ScottpersonBrianpersonSusiepersonKathyperson

Signals

  • ?

    operational_signal: Silver Ball Saloon forced into extended closure during COVID-19 lockdown starting late March 2020, with operators exploring game rentals and alternative revenue (PayPal/checks from supporters) to cover bills.

    high · Ron: 'I have no bar, so that's the worst part about it... we still have bills to pay even though we have no business'

  • ?

    event_signal: Major 2020 pinball events being cancelled or rescheduled: Replay FX confirmed cancelled (venue locked 3+ years out), Pintastic cancelled, Allentown potentially moveable to fall, IFPA championship moved to November in Illinois, Stomp event delayed to August-September.

    high · Bruce: 'Replay FX, that's on. There's no way... Stomp Free Graham West will be delayed... I am thinking possibly August or September'

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Aftermarket light board replacements now available for multiple classic Stern/Bally games, enabling restoration of machines previously restricted by proprietary one-piece light boards with soldered sockets.

    high · Ron/Bruce listing light boards available for: Alien Poker, Nineball, Meteor, Freefall, Flight 2000, Cheetah, Catacomb, Big Game, Kiss, Fathom

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Incomplete or poor-quality schematic documentation from Stern Pinball for late 1970s/early 1980s games (Cheetah) compared to well-documented earlier titles (Flight 2000), complicating troubleshooting efforts.

    high · Bruce: 'Sam Stern Pinball in the late 79, early 80, 81, really got lazy with their schematics when the games were not doing well for sales'

  • ?

    operational_signal: Dramatic drop in bar electrical costs during closure: from $1,200/month typical to $53 for partial March month due to no machine operation.

Transcript

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0:00
Beavis and Butthead, why don't you guys share a little bit about why you're here? Uh, well, we saw this commercial, and there was like this guy, and he had, you know, like a beer.
0:12
And then there were all these chicks. It was cool. It's like we need beer, and we don't want to wait till we're 21. Yeah, I started early myself. Yeah, man, I heard that. For me, it was always like beer and chicks. Beer and chicks, man. And, you know, and it was crazy.
0:33
You guys roll. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Splansville Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. It's alive!
0:59
Well, we're alive. It's alive! What's alive? Well, we'll talk about that right now on episode 143 of the Slam Tilt Podcast. How's it going, Bruce? All righty. Since we are upstate New York instead of regular New York, we have not gotten the full brunt of the virus. That's not what it says on the news. It says New York hit hardest. I know. It's downstate, unfortunately. They did New York City by New York. Yeah. And Westchester County also. So you got... Even in a virus, upstate still gets dissed. It does. It really does. It's so bad. They never... They wouldn't do that with any other state. Nope. You wouldn't hear them like... Northern California is worse than Southern California. Yeah. It's just... No. New York has hit really hard. And by New York, we mean New York City. Yes. We have some friends down there who are stuck in their houses, and we wish them all well. Hello, Mr. Gregg. Hello, you know, everyone else down there. It's just really a bad situation. That it is. But we're doing stuff to keep ourselves busy, I think. You are? What are you doing? Well, I have no bar, so that's the worst part about it. But first, I want to say I was very happy with the support we've gotten over the past since last time we were on. I got three checks of the mail. I'm going to post the names next time because I don't have everything. They're all at the bar still because they were all written out to the bar. So I have all the paperwork at the bar. So next time we come on, I'm going to read out some names, personally thank them. But thank you for people who have sent checks in, asked for my PayPal address, and actually have PayPal'd us money. Every little bit helps us to keep us running because we still have bills to pay even though we have no business. so it's not a fun thing. We just want to keep it going, but I want to thank people right now personally saying thank you, and we'll take more if anybody else wants to help us out. We're very grateful for that, but I will next time put names to people and say, hey, I'm calling you out and saying thank you. Me and Kathy very much appreciate it. Yeah, we're all in lockdown. Yes, we are still. Well, what's the latest? April 30th in the state of New York. Okay. But I'm not. I get to work my second job. At?

high confidence · Bruce detailing light socket replacement history during Cheetah repair narrative

Bruce Nightingale @ late-episode — Shows tension with community consensus vs personal operator preference on tournament inclusion

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Pintasticevent
Allentown Pinball Showevent
Free Play Floridaevent
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Lord of the Ringsproduct
Whitewaterproduct
Shane Black Knight: Sword of Rageproduct

high · Ron: 'My electric bill this – it was part of the month of March – was $53... Normally my electric bill is $1,200'

  • ?

    community_signal: Pinball community adapting to lockdown through Zoom-based social events including 'Orange County pinball Friday happy hour' with participants using custom backgrounds featuring their pinball collections.

    high · Bruce: 'we actually have our friends and family and people from the bar come on and go on Zoom... Even certain people, even, hey, Timmy is there... Shane Black Knight: Sword of Rage in the background'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Custom ROM code modifications being tested for classic machines (Big Game) to improve gameplay balance, specifically increasing bonus multiplier options from 2X/3X to 5X combination.

    high · Bruce: 'I'm going to have to ask you for the code for Cheetah, the non-infinite bonus collect... I made some adjustments to it [Big Game] and I really like it now... 2x and 3x is if you get a line on at least two cards... if you also spell Big Game, both the 3x and the 2x come on, and you get 5x'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Bruce prioritizes original appearance/component fidelity in restoration, explicitly rejecting LED conversions in favor of incandescent lighting to preserve 1980s-era visual presentation.

    high · Bruce: 'I want it to be original. What you saw in 1980 or 81, this is what you saw... Nope. Incandescent eco bulbs. Ah, okay. Okay. The only way.'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Proposed experimental '26-hour Stomp' tournament format as creative alternative to cancelled/delayed events, extending typical 24-hour tournament duration to demonstrate superiority over other organizers' offerings.

    medium · Ron/Bruce: 'The 26 hours of stomp... we can do 26 hours straight at the bar... Instead of 24, just to show you're superior... Friday night to Saturday... you can start drinking at 8 o'clock in the morning'

  • ?

    product_concern: Big Game has unusually difficult bonus achievement mechanics (seven-digit scoring game where player has rarely exceeded one million), prompting code modifications to make bonus completion more attainable.

    high · Bruce: 'normally you have a seven-digit game, right, where I've gotten over a million maybe a couple times on it ever, which is stupid. It's like, why is it even a seven-digit game then?'

  • ?

    community_signal: Tension between operator selection (Bruce wants Lord of the Rings in tournament rotation) and community consensus (players avoid it due to long play time); Bruce willing to ignore community feedback.

    high · Bruce: 'Everyone, like, don't put Lord of the Rings in the tournament. Well, I'll just do this stuff to it and then put it in... no one wants it in the tournament... Everyone knows it plays too long'

    • 3:23
    Amazon. Yes. Talked about that last episode. How's it going at Amazon, Bruce? It's hard. It's very physical, hard labor. I work from 8.15 at night to 4.15, 4.30 in the morning. So my time schedule is all screwed up, partially. You know, it's longer nights compared to the bar. But I come home exhausted. But it's cool. I actually like the job. It's a nice place. People are friendly, and it's quiet at night compared to, like, during the day, the building will have, like, 300 to 400 people in it because it's a warehouse and it's necessity. At night, there's maybe, like, 50 or 60, which is kind of cool. So, cool. I like it very much. It is a great job. The company is really cool so far. Good pay. Very friendly people there, too. I like that a lot, too. So, it's all working out. keeps me busy, except for other machines that keep me busy. Oh, you said it's alive, what we were referring to.
    4:23
    Frankenchita. Oh, my God. This is the game from hell. Now, why is it Frankenchita? Please explain. To our past listeners, they probably remember my stories. Well, hopefully they're not past listeners. Hopefully they're current listeners, but they've heard it in the past. Yeah, this is true. Thanks. Thanks, Mr. Know-It-All. Hello. No, that wouldn't be. Never mind. Continue.
    4:54
    So about two years ago, I saw a, what was it, a cheetah in Arkansas for $20 on an auction site. I did win that cheetah, but it was only the cabinet, and the cabinet was a black cabinet. And the play field was really nice on it, actually. It was the nicer of the two that I eventually got. I drove all the way to Arkansas for $20 game and tax, so it was $23. And I brought all the way back in 48 hours, I think I did that trip. And then about three months later, Chuck Webster, friend of the show, said, hey, there's this back glass and back box. I don't know if it has any boards in it because it doesn't show the back box inside, but it's 150, 200 bucks. You should just bid on it. I'm like, okay. I bid on it, got it. It was another weird auction site, you know, that somebody, you know, just put up a head and everything. There was no boards in it, but there was wiring in it, which was good for the head. And it was also a black one. I'm like, all right, good. I have a matching cheetah. But then like two months later, I find another cheetah, complete. It's a blue one, though, a rare blue one. And that was in Ohio, so I ran out there, got it. No, sorry, it was in Michigan because I had to go through Canada. Went through Canada, grabbed that, came back. That was about 12 hours.
    6:23
    Then I had two cheetahs. And then the bar really started to kick in and getting really busy. So I had no time. Now we go to the present.
    6:32
    I did get the cheetah working in the past. It was powered up. I had all boards in it. I had displays in it. But over time, in the past two years, I've been stealing this stuff for other games that have been at the bar. Because, of course, older sterns and older ballys use those parts.
    6:48
    So I grabbed it all back. I fixed all the stuff. I put it all back in the machine, power it back up, and I'm back to the same point where I am, where the cap the coils don't work, most of the light sockets don't work, which, of course, as Ron will say, typical. and the crappy stern light boards that all everyone used. Williams used them where it's all one piece of metal. The sockets are pressed into them.
    7:17
    So, Ron, you want to ask any questions while I'm going still or no? Are you still on mute? I'm always on mute, Bruce. Oh, okay. So you replaced the center lights. I replaced all the center lights. With individual sockets. Yes. Yeah, that's what I did. That was the easiest way because there was actually space. Yes, there's a lot of space. On Dragon Fist, unfortunately, there is no space, so you can't do that. He did make a board for that, I think. What? He made a board for that. There's a Dragon Fist board? There's a Dragon Fist board for that now, if I remember correctly. Yes. I can call that one. What is it? Pinball replacement parts? Yes. You continue while I look that up. Okay. So I replaced that board. He also sells the board for the stars up in the upper right-hand corner for the sockets. for the light in front of the drop target in front of the spinner. I replaced that. So most of the lights were there. I still had to replace, over time, probably about 50 light sockets. Okay, next thing, coils. They get all the way down to one coil not working. Now, I've learned something about Bally machines that I did not even know about. Ron, you know there's a switch matrix and a solenoid matrix. Like, you know, do you agree with that? a solenoid matrix? Well, like, they all, you know, if you have one solenoid that's short, you can have a short between all different solenoids. Like, say if one's bad, they all use the braiding for the ground. Braiding for the ground. Did you mean, like, the power bus? Yeah, the power bus is all the same. Okay. Except on certain ones. There is, they're called PR3 or PR4 to PR7s. and what they do are individual solenoids. So like the typical ones they show are flippers, which would be two of those. Each left and right flipper would be one of each. The third one is usually the coin door lock for the slider for not accepting change. You know what I'm talking about, the coin door? Yeah. Okay. And then there's a fourth one that's special for some things. well my fourth one never worked so what I did is I tried I'm talking to Zach's acts like this shouldn't be work you know this should be working it's all Brady you should if one doesn't work all don't work until I finally started looking really at the schematic going no it's actually it's its own direct line the pulse comes from the CPU to the driver board and just does that one line. The others could use partial sharing busing, but this one does not. So, I'm like, what the fuck can this be? I called Ron, actually. I told Ron, like, Ron, get your cheetah ready, or the only one I know is a cheetah. I'm going to go looking for stuff, and then I'm like, Zach's like, try a different driver board. And I'm like, okay, well, I'll try a driver board. I tried a CPU board, and I'm like, let me try my third driver board, because that one has, it's from Altec, and actually has lights on it when a solenoid fires. it actually lights up on the board. Perfect. This will tell me everything. So I go through, put that one in, light, light, light, light, and the transistor in question was Q18.
    10:37
    And when it went to Q18, it would never light. So I'm like, okay. So I replaced the connector on the one side. I replaced the connector on the driver board and the CPU board. And then I'm, like, reading up more, and I'm like, well, it could get ground from this connector and can get this from it. I'm like, ah, so screw it. I replaced both connectors on the driver board, right-hand side. What's I think is J two and J one. Maybe I might be wrong, but it's the ones on the right-hand side. I had to redo all those connectors and guess what? All of a sudden happened. I found my final coil. It came back. Thank God. So now I just have to do a couple of switch adjustments, which was last night and this morning. I have sound. I have everything. I have a cheetah.
    11:23
    And you LED'd that up, right? Of course not. Oh, fail. Oh, would you? Hell yeah. Mine's LED'd up. Oh, God. What? Nope. Incandescent eco bulbs. Ah, okay. Okay. The only way. The controlled lights, yes, but for the GI, I just, now, I just have the LEDs in there. It's so much easier to see. Nope. Okay. I want it to be dark. You want it to be dark? I want it to be original. What you saw in 1980 or 81, this is what you saw. Now, I got something that grinds my gears. Uh-oh. Before you grind your gears, I'm looking at these light boards. Dragon Fist is not one of them. I thought it was. Hold on. He's got Alien Poker, Stern Nineball, Meteor, Freefall has one. Oh, that was the one I saw. Yeah. Flight 2000. Cheetah, which he didn't have back when I did my cheetah. Which I got. I literally Franken-cheated it by using a nine-ball one with three extra at the bottom were individual sockets. Wow. Catacomb. Yes, catacomb. I know. There's a lot of new ones now out. Big game.
    12:38
    The Kiss. The Kiss one. Kiss. And a Fathom. and that looks like it. Yeah, so we need a Dragonfish one. I think he does listen to us. I know it's only 300. I know it's only 300 and probably only three people listen to this actually have them, but for those three people to be super happy. Five. Five? Okay. I don't know if Scott would buy one because it would not be original, but Scott is really original with that kind of stuff. You know that. So what grinds your gears first? Well, nothing to do about it now, but Stern Electronics in the late 79, early 80, 81, really got lazy with their schematics when the games were not doing well for sales. Like, if you look up Flight 2000, you can find every schematic in the book. If you ordered a schematic book from, like, Marco for Cheetah, you just get the basic book. You don't get the schematics. You look online. The schematics are very crappy, very sparse. Oh, I grind my fucking gears trying to figure it. So there I am using the Flight 2000 one, trying to figure out pathways of, you know, how some certain things are going. And then using and going back to the Cheetah and going, okay, this looks like the scene for this one. And just a pain in the ass.
    14:01
    So I would like Stern, new Stern, to go back and fix this guy. They might exist. You just couldn't find them. I don't know. Have you ever found a Cheetah?
    14:12
    I've ever found it. I'd have to look at the manual. I got my manual from PBR, so I don't know what might be in there. If you can, scan them all because, God, the ones that IPDB have suck. Suck is an incomplete or suck is just bad scans? Both. Oh, okay. Both. All right. So that was my whole two weeks of repairs, but it's all up and running. It's ready for the bar. even have the coin door lock in it. I have a new piece of glass. Wow. So this is going to be like, even though the cabinet looks like hell, it's still there. It's working. It's up and running, doing its thing. And I rented a game out this week. Oh, you did the rent game thing. Yes, I did. One of our customers, it's a good customer. He comes in a lot. His name is Brian. He rented out Whitewater. Oh, Whitewater. Yes. So if any one of my close friends wants to rent out any games from us, give me a holler. Give them a holler. Where do they give you a holler, Bruce? You can do it at Slamtail Podcast, because I've actually got the emails again from that. Or you can email us at thesilverballsaloon at gmail.com. Or slamtailpodcast at gmail.com. You got it, see? So either way, you can get in touch with us. You can get in touch with Bruce. Oh, my. Rent some games.
    15:39
    Are there any games that are unrentable? Yes. I was told by the wife. Well, first, of course, games that we do not own completely. Okay, what are those? Well, how about we do this? What games are rentable? What games are available, Bruce? I was only told one from us that is not rentable. My wife will not let Lord of the Rings go anywhere. But AFM, what else we got there? Monopoly, I rent out a lot of different ones, like all the older games, Meteor, you know. I didn't do Dragon Fist. You could have your own Dragon Fist temporarily. Limited time. So I have definitely done that, you know, and we'll do that again for people who I trust and know. And it'll be pretty cool. But I get that back next Saturday, the one machine he rented it for two weeks. Ah, very nice. So trying to make some cash, because cash is tight. How much longer do you think this whole quarantine thing... Oh, I think it's not going to go up. The state of New York says April 30th right now. That's bullshit. I think it's going to be May 30th. I think the Memorial Day weekend. Minimum, yeah. So what are we thinking about the shows? Oh, I think we're going to be... What's the first show that will actually happen? When it was supposed to happen?
    17:00
    York. Oh, is that before Expo? Yes. You got me. Okay. Yeah. I'd have to say, from what we have left, what do we have? We have, well, Allentown, no way. Unless he reschedules it. Well, it's June, so he might reschedule again. See, and remember, for those who don't remember, Allentown used to have two shows. They had a summer show and a fall show. Ivan, the guy who does the current show now, he used to do the fall show. Yes, he did. So if he has contacts, well enough, it could be moved into the fall. It could even be moved to a different location, you know, that strip mall that they used to have it in. Yep, never know. Yeah, they could do that. I think there's some flexibility there, so that may not be totally dead. But things are dead, stuff that you can't really reschedule. Replay effects, that's on.
    17:52
    There's no way. If you're ending it in, like, June 1st, I mean, you're going to have 1,000 people. No, no. No, it's just there's going to be a part where they're going to list certain things, but I think there's still going to be restrictions on gatherings. Yeah, maybe. And that's a huge gathering. That is a cesspool of germs. There is no way that's happening. And they will wait until they're told they have to cancel. Yeah, of course.
    18:21
    Stomp Free West will be delayed. Delayed. I am thinking possibly August or September. So what I'm going to do is contact everyone who put money in. If they want their money back, I will be happy to refund it. Super stomp. Super duper stomp. Consecutive weekends, west and east. No, no, no. We do even better. Oh, okay. What's even better? The 26 hours of stomp. Oh, my God. Okay. What do you think? We can do 26 hours straight at the bar. Oh, no. Instead of 24, just to show you're superior.
    18:58
    Superiorisms. I'll just sleep under a game. Yes. The good thing is you can drink until 2 o'clock. Jesus.
    19:06
    And you can restart drinking. Well, you can't until 10 o'clock. You could. Unless we do Friday to Saturday. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Friday night to Saturday. Then you can start drinking at 8 o'clock in the morning on Saturday. What a great idea.
    19:25
    We're all tired people playing pinball. Yes. I'd say Pintastic, that's not happening. Yeah. It's a shame. It's their first year in the new hotel. I know. I doubt they can move it. I would think it's... Locked in. Yeah, locked in. Just like Replay FX. I mean, that's what the largest... You can't move that. That's the largest convention center in Pittsburgh. That thing's booked out three years in advance. I can't see anyway. Unless another place quit, cancels, and then, you know... Yeah. Or, see, in Ron's fantasy world, maybe they can do a thing where, okay, Replay FX is cancel, but somehow they get another location for the fall and actually do Pinnberg. That would be cool. Just like a thousand people. Instead of the thousands and thousands of people. 4,000, 5,000, 6,000 people. They still need a large location,
    20:10
    but I think you could do that. I would say most people who got Pinnberg tickets didn't actually pay for the show yet. No, I actually did not either. All I did was pay for my Pinnberg. Why would you pay for the show? I never paid for the show until like two weeks before the show. Yep. There's no point. I didn't pay for part of my hotel. Yeah, I got the hotel.
    20:29
    Did you pay for a hotel? I mean, usually you just give them your card. You can cancel the car. No, you give them your card and cancel them. But some people do prepay at a cheaper price. Eh, they're screwed. Yeah. Well, not really. Well, unless they can't. The other thing is they already said that anyone who won Pinnberg tickets, like in one of those satellite events, he will be honored for next year's. Yeah, whenever it happens. They'll be honored for whenever it happens. Yes.
    20:57
    What else? It's really screwy. Yeah, I think York. I think in October. Yeah, I hate to say it. And that's going to be a very busy show because I guarantee people are going to want to come out of the woodwork. And now they're talking like every year we're going to have this freaking thing happening. We are? That's what the health concern is. Next year, like, oh, now, you know, when it comes next fall or next, you know, winter, ooh, we're going to have both the flu and...
    21:22
    Oh. So what you're saying is Stomp, 26 hours, is going to be the place to go. It will be. And it will be limited also. We'll probably limit it to 50 people. Unless we do, unless, the only thing I was thinking of is like we do 100, which is, you know, our max comfortable area, but it would be hard with the games. But we close the whole weekend, you know, the whole thing, and then you make it more expensive, but then it covers everything. Interesting. Yeah, that would be the only way to do it, possibly. I totally would not play in that. Yeah, you would. No. Yes, you would. Nope. I'll film, I'll record the first part and let someone take over, go to bed, and then come back, and then I'll be all refreshed and ready for the end. Wow. What? Why would I play in it? That's insane. You play in the other one? Yeah, it's 24 hours. This is 26 hours. You're crazy.
    22:19
    Oh, my God. Is that because there were a few other tournaments that did the 25-hour thing? So you're like, you're pussies, 26 hours. You got it, baby. Do 26-hour flip frenzy. Oh, God. No one beats that. Your machines wouldn't even survive. They'd die. No way. They'd start crashing all over the place. That would be ugly. It would be. Oh, just the pounding they would take. 26 straight hours of nonstop. Okay, that doesn't work. Let's go to the next one. Yep. That one's out. that one's out by the end. There's like three working games. Yeah. You killed everything. 27 people online.
    22:57
    What the fuck, man? So like a typical IPA tournament. Exactly. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. They moved their world championships. It's going to be in November. And did you hear that there's going to be the championship is going to be in Illinois?
    23:11
    All the April Fool's gag? No, there's not a gag. Yeah, okay. My money is on his wife. Yeah, they did an April Fool's thing where it's going to take place at Josh's house. And, yeah. Josh is going to win it. Yep. He's really cocky about that. So, I'm going for Amanda. Go, Amanda.
    23:31
    So. That's his place. Yeah, that's going to be in, it's the weekend before Free Play Florida. So, it'll be like a whole week thing. Yep. So, they'll have IPA, IAPA, I think is that. Yeah, that's what they schedule it. And then they'll have Free Play Florida. So it'll be kind of like quite the tournament week. Yes. So if you're starved for tournaments, there you go.
    23:57
    So we've been having also at the bar every weekend, we actually have our friends and family and people from the bar come on and go on Zoom. Now, as an IT guy, I know you must love Zoom. We use it all the time. Okay. Yep. But how about all the problems now they're having? What, Zoom bombing? Yes. See, if you don't put a password on your thing, someone could hack into it and show porn. Wow, who would have thought that? I know. Go figure. Their security isn't the best, but, I mean, I wish I had Zoom stock before this happened. Oh, no. Oh, my God. Holy shit. Yeah, I was involved in, we do, like, an Orange County pinball Friday happy hour. Yep, I saw that was going on. Even certain people, even, hey, Timmy is there. I might have to go on there and say, hi, everyone. Hi, guys. Okay. Yeah, he was on there. Yes, I know he was. Timmy was on there with his Black Knight sword of rage in the background. Very nice. Steph was there. Yep. Saw a couple other people. It's nice. Yeah. Everyone's screwing with different backgrounds. They're all using the background function. But since no one has green screen, it looks like weird, like you're coming out of graphics and stuff. It looks freaky. Unless you're close enough to your computer, and then it doesn't. Yes. Yes, if you're close enough to your laptop, it's pretty good. I want to get a green screen now. I want to get a green screen and put it behind the webcam and then just start putting backgrounds on there. What everyone's doing for us, they actually have pictures from the Silver Ball Saloon. So it's like they're there. Like they're there. So actually one of our bartenders, Susie, has the games on one side, the bigger row, and she has them all behind her. Kathy has the bar behind her, the bar, like the shots, the alcohol and everything. So that was really cool. So it's nice to see some stuff.
    25:45
    Got some electric bills so far from the bar cutting down our output. My electric bill this – it was part of the month of March – was $53.
    25:59
    Oh, okay. Yeah. Normally my electric bill is $1,200. Wow, okay. Yeah, so. You realize, you know, if you had LEDs in those games, it'd be a lower electric bill. Just telling you. No. Yes. No, I just wouldn't be happy. Ah, Jesus. If you haven't noticed, folks, Bruce is kind of, like, when he says something in his head, you're not going to change his mind ever. Oh, yeah, you will. No, you won't. Everyone, like, don't put Lord of the Rings in the tournament. Well, I'll just do this stuff to it and then put it in. And? It's not the longest playing game anymore. Is it or is it not? No one wants it in the tournament. Because nobody knows how to play it. That's the problem. No, no one knows. Everyone knows it plays too long. Doesn't play as long as Pirates lately. Oh, God. All right. You understand, folks. You understand where I'm coming from. No, not at all. Nope, not at all. Let's see. What did I repair?
    26:53
    A sticky flipper on stars. There you go. Was it the coil stop, or what was it? It's actually the frigging conical spring that's on there. Oh, okay. You play with it a bit, it'll stop sticking. It's so stupid. What else? Mousing around.
    27:09
    Mm-hmm. Fix the display issue. Okay. What was it? Cable? connector. Oh. Thanks to Soren. Thank you, Soren. It's like, before you do anything, try this. And if you reach in the connector and you just play with it, I could get it to, with missing the segment, I could get the segment to come back and go away, then come back and go away. Oh. Easy. What else?
    27:34
    Testing some more ROMs for Scott. The big game ROM, I made some adjustments to it, and I really like it now. It makes bonus actually attainable. Attainable. Because normally you have a seven-digit game, right, where I've gotten over a million maybe a couple times on it ever, which is stupid. It's like, why is it even a seven-digit game then?
    27:58
    So it makes getting the bonus, completing the cards a little easier. And I got the 5X bonus. Oh nice So you like 5X bonus It only has 2X and 3X but this is 5X Then you add them together you have 5 No no what he did is you get 2x I think what is it 2x is if you get a line on at least two cards Yes, yes. And 3x is if you get a line on three cards. Yes. And if you also spell big game, both the 3x and the 2x come on, and you get 5x. There you go, I like that. Yeah. That's cool. I like that. Yeah. I'm going to have to ask you for the code for Cheetah, the non-100,000 on the... Oh, the non-infinite bonus collect? Yes. Well, okay. Let me look here. It's funny. Last week, we talked about we wouldn't give this out. Now, we're discussing it on the podcast. That's great. Well, guess what? It's me. Well, it's you. It's different. Yes. Yes, of course. Of course.
    28:53
    We don't give these to anyone. Yeah. So, let me just... Because I actually have the Weebly board with the EEPROM in that one. Not the code switch one. So. Let me see here. Because I think he has, he actually on his Weebly new board, he does have that version.
    29:11
    Yeah. Yeah, he's got, I think he's even got the Dragon Fist one he's got on there. Yes, he does. Let's see. Cheetah. Yeah, I got two Cheetahs here. I got the regular Cheetah non-infinite collect. Then I have the blue Cheetah different sound version. Which would you prefer?
    29:30
    Does that have the non-collect? Yeah, it's going to be both. Okay, give me the blue then. Yeah, one is just regular cheetah, one is just cheetah bee. It's the one that came with the blue, that the sounds are a little different. I like it better. Now, on your cheetah, do you have the background sound on or off? I have it on. Okay, yeah, me too.
    29:50
    The only sound I don't like on the blue is the one, on the blue version, when you hit it in that area on the right, on the side, where it sits there, it goes do-do-do-do-do, fires it out. That sound effect kind of sucks. Yeah, that's the coil that was not working for me. Oh. That's actually the direct link one. But it makes things like the spinner behind the grid now sounds like the Flight 2000 spinner, which is way better. So it's like, yeah, I like that. But I have to choose the spinners, too. That's the only thing I've not done. Oh, you've got to choose those spinners. Well, the one spinner is really good, the right one. I didn't realize how hard that right spinner is hit.
    30:29
    And then it's not worth anything unless you get the grid award, which is a pain in the ass. I know. Make the grid awards hold over.
    30:38
    Oh, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, that's a setting. Make them hold over per ball. I mean, ball, you know, more than one ball because it's nothing like trying to get the stupid grid thing. You get a line, and then the next ball is gone. Yeah. especially when you have multiple awards it would be cool to try to get every different award lit I can see all these people listening right now why do we keep on talking about these old stern what the fuck I had to hear Ron do it on his other show and in this one now why do they do that when they can't buy them anyway because they bought them all we haven't bought them all we still got free fall I still want a pinball I don't want a free fall but there's still free fall out there pinball What else would you get? Oh, what? Classic stars? Yeah.
    31:25
    Pinball would be for me. Yeah, pinball's all right. I like it. Not as crazy about it as you are. What else? There's not many others, I think. No. I mean, Catacomb would be nice. Yeah, Catacomb would be nice. That's a fine bag game. I would actually would not mind a Viper. Oh, Jesus. Well, I would like to try to figure out. It's a turret. It's all about the turret. I know. That's it. You load the turret, and you try to get the multipliers. My package should be here April 26th. And what package would that be, Bruce? The package between my legs. Oh.
    32:03
    And then what package would it be? Oh, a big one, though. It is coming from Australia. Well, it is between your legs, green penises. Oh, my. Green penises from Australia. Yes.
    32:16
    And it's big. Oh my Okay Then I gotta start collecting parts for that Mm-hmm Then we can complete our transaction Then we can Yes I finally will no longer own one and a half Dragonfists There you go Which is a weird thing There can't be too many people who can say that I own one and a half Dragonfists Like what? Well I own one and a half Gametrons That's true You know what you need? You need a Sonic Gametron I'm going to be, well, the next thing I'm doing after this. They had one of those at Expo. I just thought he was like, oh, this would be so cool. I love the look of it. Sonic Gamitron. I wouldn't want to work on that thing, God forbid.
    32:58
    Why, does it use even weirder boards? Oh, yeah, Sonic used only three board sets, and that board set was only on that game and two later games, which were even less production. Ooh. So you're saying the kit that, what, Pinstar? Was that the name of it? That they did for this. They did a special one just for Sonic, so it's not the same kit. Sonic did it. Sonic did their own. Oh, Sonic did their own. Oh, okay. Yes. For Gamitron. Yes. Well, after. Gamitron, the Sonic one's after. Oh, okay. So it wasn't actually done. Well, where did they get the, they made their own play fields? Is it a copy, though? Yes. Okay. Because the text is a little different. All right. Yeah, and the flippers are the more Williams-like flippers, the smaller ones. or the thinner ones. And the colors are a little different also. So, yeah, so, you know, I'd love to have a Sonic. I would not want a Darkon. I'd be like, oh, my God.
    33:54
    You know what I don't want to do? Pick up games in Albany. Yeah, why not? It's a crime-ridden city, obviously. Oh, my God, really? What happened, Ron? Someone went to pick up two new in-box games. From a guy he didn't know? Well, supposedly he had bought something from him before I heard him. Okay, so this guy's really not smart. Not the guy, but the other guy. So, yeah, so he showed up. And if you're going to buy two new in-box games, you have a minimum of like $10,000 on you. Of course. Minimum. So the guy held him up. The guy he was buying the game from held him up at gunpoint. Yikes. Yeah. The mean streets of Albany, New York, man. We don't fuck here. The streets of Albany. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
    34:45
    Why did I just say we don't fuck here? No, we're not selling it. We don't fuck around here is what I meant, yes. I think, you know, maybe it's both. Yeah, maybe in Albany that could be possible. But, yeah, I read that. It's like, whoa, okay. Why am I nervous about going to New York City? I should be nervous about buying anything local. So what happened? Did they capture the guy? Did he get arrested? I haven't heard anything else. I know, exactly. That's the thing that really bothers me.
    35:11
    Oh, you want closure. Oh, I want to know if it's real or not. Well, it was someone in the group, so if it wasn't real, then they were lying. Okay, and, you know, you never heard that in a news group, people lying? Okay. So Bruce doesn't believe it. I don't know if I believe it. I don't believe it. I don't think anyone's even found, like, a report about it or a police report. Is there? I'm going to look right now. Let me see. I haven't looked in a couple days. Did you take that and make the paper? Man, held up. Buying pinball machines. For $10,000? Yeah, I think so, definitely. What the hell? That sounds like a good story to me. It's nothing like there's anything else going on, like a full pandemic. Well, this morning there was a freaking article on CBS about Quarter World struggling in Oregon. And that was on CBS Major News. That was on the... So, guess what? Yeah. It's Oregon, by the way. You've got to say it correctly. Oregon. Or Oregon. It's Oregon. Okay, anyone who listens from that area, please correct Bruce, because I know it's Oregon.
    36:13
    I have a customer that comes in all the time. She was born and raised in Oregon. Oh, okay. And she says Oregon. And you say Oregon probably to piss her off. No, no, because she would do the same thing you would do with me right now. Oh.
    36:25
    Yeah. There you go. So what you're saying is I'm right. No. You just did. Okay. All right. Okay, good. Finally. Fine.
    36:36
    Huh. Yeah, Albany. Oh, you have a kid in Alton. Yes, I was going to say Alton. I wonder what games they were.
    36:45
    I don't know. It would be sad if it was like, I have a new in box NBA here. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's like, you got held up for that? Oh, man. Yeah, there's nobody actually staying now.
    37:00
    Nobody staying or stating? Stating what happened. No, I didn't get any other information. So according to Bruce, it never happened. It never happened. Okay. Fail.
    37:13
    What else is going on? There's just streams galore. Yes. Everybody's streaming. Everyone's doing the high streams. High stream, you stream, we all stream for stream. High streams. Mm-hmm. Carl just cannot beat that Wizard Mode. Carl D'Angelo is doing his Wizard Mode challenge, and he unfortunately has chosen. Poorly. You have chosen pool day. He chose Big Buck Hunter. Yeah. Although he did make a breakthrough yesterday. Oh, he did? What did he do? We're recording on, let's see, what day is it here? We're recording on Sunday, April 5th. Yesterday, he took the buck apart for like the third time, and he swapped out the string. The string. Let me try that again. He swapped out the spring that's in the buck. It's interesting, Matt. It has no actual switch. No. It uses, it's basically like a plumb bob. It's got a middle piece, and when it hits the sides of the metal, it, yeah. That's your contact. Yeah. It's like a tilt. So he, the spring that it comes with was super stiff, and he swapped it out for a, like a conical spring from a flipper mech. Okay. And it was like night and day. Oh, wow. It was like when the ball actually rolls down and hits the buck from behind, it registers now. The first game he played after he did that, he got monster buck. Actually, I think the first two games he played after that, he got Monster Buck in both games. So I think he sees the light at the end of the tunnel.
    38:36
    But it's so terrible watching that game. It's so bad. Now, why don't they redo code for that game like they did for Iron Man? The play field is shit. Who cares?
    38:47
    But they redid a code for Iron Man. The friggin' bird shot where you've got to get through all four birds to get to the wizard mode, and it's like you've got to hit it, what, four times for the first one, and then five, and then six, and then seven. And it's like the hardest shot in the game.
    39:03
    Carl misses it most of the time, and he's way better than I am. I couldn't even imagine trying to hit this thing. It's so bad. You were mentioning Iron Man? Iron Man got a new code update. Why doesn't Big Buck? Because no one cares about Big Buck. Plus, Iron Man, they had the Vault Edition, Bruce. That's why.
    39:21
    I know there was a $5,000 new and boxed Vault Edition in New York City, but I'm afraid to get sick, bugged. Yeah, I'd rather get an original anyway.
    39:30
    Yeah, I don't like the differences. What's the difference? Tell me what the difference is, Bruce. The back box that's thicker and the slide art is actually, like, sparkly, like a glossy.
    39:43
    Everything else is the same. Well, supposedly, no, the monitor's got LEDs in them. Okay, ooh. Well, he's lit up now. That's a big deal. He's factory. He's lit up. Mm-hmm.
    39:58
    Other than that, I mean, it comes with LEDs. Yeah. And I think the code is different. There's code for, like, the original model, and then there's code for the vaults. Oh, I didn't know that. It's different, yeah, because it has to do with the lighting. Okay. But I know when I saw the first Iron Man vault edition, and they had LEDs and that thing, it looked fucking terrible. It looked horrible. I couldn't see a damn thing. It was so bright. It was so bad. Was Dwight involved?
    40:23
    Did they add him to the credits? Like, special light consultant. Dwight Sullivan, it's not bright enough. That's his mistake. Must blind you more to make you lose that ball. I think when you hit the monger, every time you hit him, a flasher should go off right in your face. No dome on it either. I think it should be exposed LED flasher. And what luminescence can it be? Let's get over 100 million kilowatt power. I want sun luminescence. Yes.
    40:54
    Oh! Oh, my eyes. My eyes. I can't see shit. And we have to put it in a dark room, too. So it's like some bathhouse. So what the hell's happened in the industry? Not much. All factories are still closed. You have, I mean, heist. Yep. Which I still, I would have held off on announcing that until the fall. Yeah, I would have waited until after. I mean, he announced it after everything was closed. See, he could have held off on that. But at least he can sell them now. That's true. They're ready to go. And you're the only thing being sold right now. But, I mean, imagine if he held off until, like, Expo. Yeah. Don't forget, you always have other things going. I think it's actually a smart move because. Oh, you think it's a smart move? Okay, why do you think it's a smart move? Because you have these people who have maybe, I don't know how many P3s they've made. Let's say 150. I don't know. I haven't heard there's been a lot. They do flip hands a lot also. but maybe there's $150, $250. That game looks pretty darn good. So for $3,000 or $3,500, you're going to get a new game. And most of these people, instead of spending $6,000, $7,000, or $8,000, where nothing's new is going to be coming out, for $3,500, I get to add a cool game to my collection. I think it's $2,750.
    42:13
    Really? That's it? I think it's $2,750 for the kit, if you have the thing already. Even better. So, although I think there's a, there might be an extra 300 or 200 for that extra flipper. Yeah, I think so. There you go. So I think with that, you're the only game in town right now besides used games, or if you new in box, if you want to buy a new in box, but guess what? I'm going to tell people right now, don't buy a new box anymore. Right now. A lot of business is going to be going out of business. I hate to say. Might as well buy a used game. A lot of places will be going under. I hate to say. You heard it here from the Boots. They already started to. Oh, really? Yes. A couple people have already said, I've gotten great deals. A girl down in, actually a girl that I know around here, was crazy enough to drive down to Long Island and bought four games that were all from a FEC. What's her last name, Nightingale? Nope. But she went down and bought four games at a really good price for four games. That place was going out already. two bars have already stated around us that they're not coming back.
    43:25
    So they were on the brink of closing then too because they can't pay their bills after, well, we're almost through four weeks now. So there's going to be games out there to buy. And the market's probably going to take a big hit for buying and selling. Yep, and they'll all be cheaper.
    43:42
    Not even when we bought them, but cheaper. So what do we got here? Let's look at the ball bag. Oh, my. Yeah. We got in the mail ball bag. It's a shame.
    43:58
    Is it trim? Never gets old, does it? Nope. I always put new stuff in there, don't I? Yeah. Yes. The trim thing wasn't there before. Okay.
    44:11
    Robert Byers says, you guys are welcome for allowing your mail ball bag to be exposed on Twitch TV. I'm sure it was a dream come true for Bruce. Oh, my. Mm-hmm. Robert Byers, player 164. I think we need to get some more people on now because they're just sitting at home doing nothing. We need to get some more guests on. More guests. More editing. More fun. And your point? Let's see, Daniel emailed a link with a, somebody replaced the CPU in a Starz with a Nano.
    44:53
    God, I should know what this is. I don't know. A-R-D-U-I-N-O. Adorno Nano. Oh, that's the game from, that's the thing from what Zach has, I think, almost, for. Basically, like $10 worth of stuff, he replaced the CPU and coded a whole new Stars. Yes. The thing I can understand is if you look at the link, it doesn't take long before it starts to feel like a grind. Has Stars ever felt like a grind to you? God, no. I mean, have you ever been playing five-minute balls on Stars? No. So he was adding like a free play mode, a ball save, hurry ups. That sounds interesting. Deeper goals in a wizard mode? Do you ever play the game long enough to get a wizard mode? God, no. We must have it raked at like four degrees. Well, in the video I saw, he has the center post is not a mini post. It's like a full star post. Oh, God. Really? And the ball saver, it looks like a 20-second ball saver at the beginning of the ball, which is cool. It actually counts down on the display. It has a much nicer attract mode. It actually has an attract mode light show now instead of just the boring thing it did before. I like the idea.
    46:08
    I think maybe a game that plays a little longer, though. Yeah. That might have been better to use. You picked the hardest game in the world to make longer. What do you feel like you didn't? That's the beauty of S.T.A.R.S. I wanted to play as short as possible. Oh, no. Think about it. When you go downstairs and play your S.T.A.R.S., do you play one game ever? Well, no, because one game, it's like 30 seconds, it's over. Exactly. So you want to keep on playing and get a good score on it. So you keep on working at it. So what happens now with stars if you have that board set in it? I played 12 minutes on stars. I didn't know what to do with myself afterwards, and I'm only on ball two.
    46:49
    It was all done for less than $12. Yeah. Yeah, I'll keep stars the way it is. I like the tech. I just would have used a different game. Yes. But who knows? This could be the one game he had sitting there. Totally true. So if you were going to do that, here's a good question. So if you were going to do that with a Stern game, you're going to replace it, or a Bally because it will work in both, which game would you do it to? What game would you think would benefit from some ball savers or hurry ups or deeper goals or wizard mode?
    47:22
    I don't know if you can add stuff. Could you add stuff to a game with this board set? I'm assuming you could. This is what he added to it. He added a wizard mode. Okay, so what I would do, then, is make the best valley game even better. Oh, okay. What's the best valley game?
    47:38
    8-Ball Deluxe. Put a spinner in it, really, and then program it for a spinner. Okay, other than that. Okay. Jesus Christ.
    47:47
    Well, you just required physical modification. That's the thing about this. That's easy. I got a drill. The thing about this, it didn't require it. It's $10 worth of parts, and it was done, and then you can just program stuff. I have lots of spinners sitting on some of my games. Oh, come on.
    48:04
    I got wire. Okay. See, you got to think about this one. Hot dogging. Oh, Jesus. Okay, what do we do with hot dogging? Well, the problem is, you actually can hurt yourself while playing hot dogging. After you complete the words hot dogging the first time, you get a certain point value. and if you complete it the second time, so say if you didn't complete it and you left all the letters except for N in hotdogging, you would get maybe 85,000 points bonus. But if you complete hotdogging again and you go back again, you can only get 38,000 if you just get one letter. So if you fill up the letters over two times, you actually hurt yourself. That could be a change where maybe you make another license. It sounds like a quick code change, though. What kind of wizard mode could you have in Hot Dog?
    48:58
    Don't know. Wasn't thinking wizard mode. I was thinking about fixes. Yeah, that's just regular code. I mean, come on, more. Okay, what do you want, Ass Munch? I don't know.
    49:08
    I couldn't think of a wizard mode to put one of those old games. Maybe Flash. Flash Gordon? No, no. Oh, well, Flash Gordon would definitely be multiple balls. Oh, so you would add multi-ball. Yes. Okay. But I'm talking about flash, maybe, or maybe even... That's not a valley. I know, I know, but... You're changing the parameters. I always change parameters. Yes, you are. You're the parameter changer. Yes, but I think valley flash court would be definitely a good one to get multi-ball. You have the two balls in there. It can still hold it. It registers once you put it in the center hole at a certain point. It kicks out the second ball. It doesn't kick out the coil until it hits another, like, two switches. then it releases both balls and maybe you have the play field scoring then go double or triple instead of just getting all your targets and making it double or triple Ignite Death Rays 15 seconds Exactly, so instead of having it during your one ball play, you can have it during all the balls It would be really cool. Oh, goodbye Max Fonsato What was that? Max Fonsato Max Fonsato, he died like a couple of weeks or a month ago About three weeks ago Best Ming. Yes, he is. Because he looked like Ming. I mean, that dude is freaking Ming.
    50:29
    But, yeah, so that would be a good game to think about adjusting. Okay. Anything with a captive ball, you can actually, you know, not a captive ball, but a saucer that can, instead of holding, instead of firing the coil as soon as a switch is held, hold it after doing a certain amount of things, and then when two switches are hit, Then kick out the second ball. All right. And then what you can do is, what happens is, after it ignores, you'd have to, I don't know how you did the draining, though. Well, you drain by just draining. You just drain one ball. No, but the problem is, if you drain one ball, it would kill both, it would kill the ball, end of ball. See what I'm saying? So you'd have to have a code in there saying ignore to switch the first time, and do not count down, but kick it over. Or have it sit there. It'd be hard, but you can do something like that. You know what I want to see? What? More games that do shit with the ball.
    51:27
    Meaning, meaning, think on Circus Voltaire. You know the juggler? Yeah. You lock in that saucer, and then it throws it to another saucer. Yeah. Or a really shitty game like Vector does the same thing. Yes. I want to see more of that. As much as I think 2D sucks, that's the one cool thing it did. Yeah. is that you hit the ball in one location, it fires it to another location where the catapult is, and then fires it into the trunk. Yeah. I love that. I want more of that. Okay. But that was from David Hoffhines, who says, it would be great if you could tell all the listeners to sell me a Starz. So David Hoffhines in North Carolina wants a Starz. It's very easy to find one. Give him a Starz, folks. Yep. They're out there. He wants it to be in decent to good shape. Oh, God, now he's being picky. That's me. What the fuck?
    52:21
    So thank you. Your better bet is to probably try to find a stingray, rip out the play field, find a stars play field, and then go from there.
    52:32
    Let me try to speak. Did I call him Dave Hoffines? Yes, you did. I did. I'm thinking of David Hasselhoff. Yes, you are. Oh, my. I'm sorry, Daniel. It's Daniel Hoffines. Daniel Hoffines in North Carolina. he wants the stars.
    52:48
    Help him out. Email us at slamtiltpodcasts at gmail.com. We'll put you in touch with him. Yes. And then we have an email from Parnell. And he sent us a link to the same star saying. Boy, everything thinks we're just like old Cern and only. Well, we are. We're in the state, Blake. Does that hope Bruce is doing well with the bar being closed? Minnesota and Wisconsin just got the one-month lockdown. I think bars can open May 1st. I keep checking on my route bar owner to see how he's doing. This is going to be really rough for small business owners. Some states are having small to 0% loans available for small businesses to stay afloat. Just FYI, if someone you may know owns a business. Yes. Are they doing that for you guys? We put our names and everything for it and that kind of stuff also. We'll just see what happens. They've gotten overwhelmed. I thought they thought, like, hey, it's going to be so easy, you know, and whammo. And he sent a link to the stars. He figured, do you find it interesting? Maybe Zach would like it.
    53:54
    Stay safe, Parnell. Thank you. I need a plastic for one, one plastic for Cheetah. Which plastic do you think I need for Cheetah? Well, besides the inlays. Besides the inlays. Oh, yeah, because they're, they're correct.
    54:09
    Oh, yeah, request. Does anyone have in-lanes for Cheetah, like in-lane guides, like a plastic protector or something?
    54:18
    You know, custom-made so I don't have to make it. Is anyone doing that? If anyone's doing that, please let me know. Because mine kind of looks like ass. It works. But it's basically the metal in-lane guides from a Viper.
    54:33
    So plastic. Well, is it missing or just broken? Broken. Because a bunch of mine are broken. Well, now they make a whole kit. Did you know that? What, they make cheetah presents? CPR. Oh, okay. All right. Only $160. Ooh. Yeah. I'm like, oh. Oh, that hurts.
    54:53
    Is it by the upper left flipper? No. It is the one above the five target drop bank. Really? Okay. Yes. Yeah, right in front of it is completely missing. Hmm. Oh, it's missing. It's gone. You said broken. It's not broken. It's missing. Missing broken. No, well, I have three-quarters of the plastic. It's missing broken. I've got to remember that. Yeah, there you go. Did I mention this last week that Pinball Resource now has the Stern stand-up targets available, the bigger ones? Yes. Yes, because I think he bought the stock out from the guy in Massachusetts that sold me the original item, which is good. Hopefully he bought the tooling and everything so we keep on those great targets that are different colors. You can get white or yellow or a couple of the different ones.
    55:42
    Oh, and I have a correction. This is a long-time-coming correction. When we mentioned my Stargazer in the past, I've always said how it has the older pop bumper rings on them, the metal ones. Uh-huh. I don't know if I was high or something, but that is not correct. They have plastic. Told you. Because you guys always said it should be plastic. That's what it would have been on there. I told you. And I said, well, they must have replaced them with metal when they, because it's an NOS play field. when they put the parts on there. But I was completely wrong. I don't know why I was wrong, because I've taken the caps off many times on there. I was LEDing it. There you go, Bruce. Grown I was LEDing it I was putting some LEDs in the pop burrs and when I had the cap off I like wait a minute It plastic Those guys are right Shit Well, I didn't think you weren't right. That it was originally plastic. But I was like, well, mine has metal. Well, no, dumbass. Mine doesn't have metal.
    56:37
    Well, the good thing is I now have three extras. Well, you can buy them, but they're quite expensive. Yeah, $22 or something. Yeah. Ouch. And it's just you can come with the bottom piece. Yeah, yeah, you've got to get the kit thing, and that's even more expensive. Yeah.
    56:56
    But would you need the bottom piece, really? The chances are you would already have that. Unless they're cracked, which they do get stress-cracked once in a while also. I have one that's stress-cracked. Man, there's a lot of old stern talk going on today. I know, because it's all I've been touching lately. Oh, really? Yes, next thing I'm pulling out. I already pulled out one.
    57:19
    I pulled out one, and I'm going to pull out the other now. Okay. I'm pulling out both Gametrons. Oh.
    57:26
    They're going to be two Gametrons side by side. I'll take a picture of that in a couple days. And post it to the Slamtail podcast page. But we have had a lot of people who are starting to like us now. I guess maybe because we did so well in the Twippies.
    57:38
    You were right. I have to. Correction. You were right again. We actually were in the seven, whatever. I didn't realize. I thought it was just top three, but they had a list of seven. And we were on there. We beat Pinball Profile. I know, which makes no fucking sense. That makes no sense, but yes. Thank you for your votes, guys. You know, there was a lot of good contenders in it, and at least we showed up for the game, even though we were barely on anymore. We are grateful. Next time around, we're barely on anymore, but we still showed up. Did still show up. But congratulations to all who are the winners of the... The winners of all the different... Yeah. And the Game of the Year, which to the surprise of no one, was Jurassic Park. Were there any surprises? I don't think so. I do. What? I can't believe Coin Op Carnival didn't win. Best publication. Oh, God. If you've ever seen it, I mean, it's awesome. I can't believe that didn't win. To me, that was an upset. Also, ones I didn't agree with, what do they have? The best display, and Willy Wonka won it? Like, really? No. Really? It's the same freaking thing all over the background. It's terrible. I mean, when they showed it, the top three, I think, were Jurassic Park, Willy Wonka, and Black Knight Sword of Rage. Black Knight Sword of Rage was clearly the winner if you were just going by what they showed. I know. I mean, you're looking at it like, wow, look at that. Like, how did that win? I don't understand. Yeah, I don't agree with that one either. Yeah. A couple of others I didn't agree with. Mike, come on. I'm not going to go over there. Oh, come on. Nope, I'll let you go there. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Oh, that? Who cares? Yeah, that. No, I'm talking game-related stuff. Oh, okay, the game-related stuff. I mean, some of them were funny, like the best rules, and they had Jurassic Park was like 56% or something, and no one was even above 20%. I know. It was, I mean, they had to do it remotely. everything had to be pre-taped. So it wasn't live. It didn't have the live feel. So that kind of hurt it. But other than that, it was fine. At least they got, I'm glad they got it done, because they waited to, like, the next show. We'd be in October, and it'd be kind of ridiculous. I'd be funny in hell. Oh.
    59:59
    Well, the thing is, when do you think another game's going to be announced at this point? How far off do you think Stern's going to hold up on the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles announcement. And how long is Jersey Jack going to hold up on the... Well, Jack's not going to hold up at all.
    60:15
    No, because he's not going to be ready yet. Oh, so you don't think Guns N' Roses will be ready until like October? Yes, I don't think so. Really? I think his plan was truly going to be at Expo again. Really? So you didn't think anything was going to happen in Texas? No. I don't think he's ready for Texas. Not even close. So what you're saying is there's going to be a Wizard of Oz Platinum Edition coming out. No, he's got to rerun, what's it called? Pirates? Pirates. Well, he should. That's the way he should. That's what he should do. I mean, I don't know what the rights are. Maybe they ran out. Go get them again. Because remember, it took a long time to make that game. Exactly. Go get them again for one year. Sell as many as you can. Because everyone wants that game. Not me. Well, everyone but you. Yeah. Oh, my God, that game is terrible. Okay, why is it terrible when everyone else wants it and thinks it's awesome? It doesn't play well. Maybe you just played a poor playing one. I don't know. I played a couple of them now, and it just does nothing for me.
    61:21
    I had more fun on a lot of other newer games than that one. All right. Well, let's do this. Here we go. I'm going to make something up on the spot. Since there's not too many of them, the Jersey Jack games. rate them from, we'll be more positive, from worst to first.
    61:40
    The worst one definitely is The Hobbit. We'll do it at the same time. Agree. Okay. Thanks. I know you're going to agree with me on the second one, but I don't. I think Pirates is the second worst one. No.
    61:55
    Wizard of Oz. Yeah, I know, you think Wizard of Oz. I think Wizard of Oz is the second best one. Okay, you skipped third. Well, third. How many is there? Five? There's five. What else have you got? Dialed In is the best. The best. Dialed In is the best? Really? What are you going to do? Playing wise. Not saying software. Not saying anything else. Playing wise. It's the smoothest game that they make.
    62:23
    Okay. I'm telling you, it's Willy Wonka at third. Well, no. Let's switch that up. Willy Wonka's second worst. Second worst. Okay. So you got the worst is... Hobbit. It's Hobbit. The second worst is Willy Wonka. Third is Wizard of Oz. No.
    62:40
    Third is Pirates. Correcting you on your own picks. Fourth is Wizard of Oz. Second is Wizard of Oz, yes. And first is... Is Dialed In. Okay.
    62:53
    Pretty much in agreement except for Pirates. I'd swap those. Well, actually, no. I like the way... See, here's the thing. I like the way that... I think Wizard of Oz plays pretty good.
    63:04
    Ugh, fuck no. I do. No. I like the way that Willy Wonka plays. But I like the way it plays because I like the way Simpsons plays. It's funny because I hang around a lot of the tournament people. Do you? And their opinions always seem to be more uniform. They kind of agree more on certain... You can almost tell if it's a tournament player and you mention a certain game. Every tournament player I know, they hate Willy Wonka. Yeah, I hate it too. They hate it. They're like, why do you hate it? It shoots like a dream. And they all hate the rules. Yes, the rules are terrible in that game. They hate the multiplier thing. Yep. Which I don't even know. Explain the multiplier thing. I couldn't even tell you. I have not even figured it out either. It's some kind of deal where you can randomly get 5x or 4x or 3x and whoever gets that multiplier ends up winning. Yeah, it's a hot luck hey, here you go. It feels like. I don't know exactly what it is, but it feels like that. But things like, you know, they all hate the monsters.
    64:05
    Yeah. All the tournament types. I don't have a problem with it, but they all hate it. I just always thought it was funny how there's less deviation in games. Once you talk to a lot of tournament players, you can almost tell which games they're not going to like. Mm-hmm. Most tournament players don't like Ghostbusters.
    64:21
    Yeah, that's true. So it does go around and come around, and people would love to play, you know, Iron Maiden or Jurassic Park because at least they know how to play it. Let's see, so my list would be Hobbit, Last, Wizard of Oz, I'd say Pirates, then Willy Wonka, then Doubt It. So you're saying Willy Wonka's the second best game? You were going by how it shoots. Yeah, exactly. I'm saying it, yes. 100%. Notice I have the two non-wide bodies are one and two. There's something to be said for that. Yes. I will say I think Pirates is the best shooting wide body they've done. Yes. I kind of agree with that. I mean, repeatable loop shot got my attention immediately. It's like, ooh, okay. Okay, you're already beating the other wide bodies now. Mm-hmm. All right. That was interesting. Yeah, great. Five games to go. Let's do it even dumber. Actually, we can't because no one's played it. I was going to say American Pinball, but I don't think anyone here has played Hot Wheels. No. So I can't go by that. I don't even know if I want to play Hot Wheels. Oh, come on. You need to have an open mind. You are so negative. Any point?
    65:34
    Speaking of negative, time for games you like, games you hate. Are you ready, Bruce? I'm ready. I got my special version coming out. Special version? Okay. You can go first. I'll go first because yours is special. Yes. I wanted to pick two games that are pretty much from the same era. Same manufacturer. I'd like to. Very, very, they might even have been consecutively released or close.
    66:01
    Game I hate. Hated it when it came out, and now watching poor Carl trying to get to the wizard mode on it. Hated it even more, and that would be Big Buck Hunter Pro. I said the right name. It's not Big Buck Hunter. It's Big Big Buck Hunter Pro. Mm-hmm. I will say the voice work on it's good, but, man, the main theme music, listening to that just in a loop over and over and over and over. Oh, so annoying. It does have the one graphic, which is hilarious, where the cow is farting. Yeah, shitting out. Yeah, farting. Yeah, shitting, and they're shooting the shit with a, yeah, they call it methane madness. I got a kick out of that because, you know, I'm very juvenile. I like the alien, you know, like. Instead of Mars needs women, Mars needs cattle. Yes. Yeah. See, they have some good humor in the game, but, man, the play field on that thing is ass. It is. The bird shot, it's almost unhittable. the right orbit that's so ridiculously tight the friggin you want to talk about yeah one ramp it's got the buck you just hit it just boom drain boom drain boom drain and just it's got the whole like you hit the thing 30 like the monster buck rule do you know what the monster buck rule is you know you get monster buck on that game no you can tell me this is how you do it you tell me if this seems a little excessive. Now, here you go. Remember, this was a Lonnie Lyman game. So you can guess which one came up with this particular rule. Ready? Monster Buck. So there's different levels of the multiball, which I like. I like multiballs with different levels. That's from my, you know, Data East days, you know, like the multi-tiered multiballs. So you start multiball by hitting the buck five times in the five different spots. There's the shotgun shells. So multiball starts. You hit the buck five times to get to the next wave. So that's the first wave. Then all the, I think there's five shots all light up, all the regular shots. It's like seven. It's seven shots. It's terrible. You hit all them. And then you hit the Critter Spinner, which I love the name of that, Critter Spinner. You hit the Critter Spinner, and you get the super. It gives you an add-a-ball, starts the ball saver again, and then you begin the last stage, which you have to hit the buck a certain number of times. and what do you think the number of times you have to hit the buck would be? 50. 20. Wow. You have to survive 20 fucking buck hits to get the monster buck. And here's the cool thing. None of it carries over. So if you start a multi-ball and then you don't get it, the next multi-ball you start from the beginning. Fuck that. So who do you think came up with that rule?
    68:37
    But, yeah, it is so bad, so horrible. that's the game I hate. Okay. And I gave some positive things. I said, some of it's funny. I think the art on the play field isn't bad. This one's for you, Dennis.
    68:53
    Dennis, game I hate. No, no, I was going to say it that way. I'm not going to call somebody out who's been calling me out the whole time. I was going to say, this is for you, Dennis.
    69:01
    Game I hate, and it has some good parts to it, is Star Trek Next Generation. Zack has converted me to being now a drain monster extraordinaire. It's got great things with it, with the sound and with the R package and with different modes and great multi-ball and great lighting. It's just a drain monster. Not fun to play. That's the way Zach would say it, and I have to say it. I'm going to go with that same ruling now. Really?
    69:30
    Okay. So that's the game you hate. All right. Okay. So the game I like came out either before or right after Big Buck Hunter. Iron Man. Right before. So I always, well, I can't say I always liked Iron Man. First time I ever played it was in a tournament. So that was not a good introduction. It's like, this game, oh, this is brutal. This is stupid. But once I played it in a free play area, and you can play it over and over again, then it's like, okay, I get it. And I love it. It's brutal. I love the monger.
    70:09
    I love the Jericho. Because it actually uses clips from the movie. What a concept. Hey! Not sound-alikes. Just when you hit the Jericho shot, I give you the Jericho.
    70:22
    Yeah! I agree. Just the sounds are cool. The music's cool. It's in your face. The little comments that come out. I haven't played a new code yet. I want to do that next. I mean, it's brutal. And you have to set it up brutal. Yes. If you set it up easy, which I have played in Easy Iron Man, it gets old really quick because, yeah. I love the brutality. The playfield artwork's not too bad. The back glass is just a copy, I think, of one of the movie posters. Yeah, a movie trailer. It's a movie trip. Like I said, good sound. It's got two ramps, not just the one. Yes, it does. So you can do the payback time thing, which I love. Yes. And I thought the ramps felt really good on that, too. They're very smooth. They're smooth, plastic ramps. Yep. Okay, game I love. This is going to be no surprise to you, Ron. Okay. No surprise. Twilight Zone. Right at you, Dennis.
    71:14
    Twilight Zone. Best game ever. Why is it the best game ever? That's what all these groups say.
    71:21
    IPDB says it, and so does, I think, Pinside is actually in the top five with it. How can they be wrong and me not be? You know, I have to go with the whole thing. You only got to hit a couple shots, and you get your multi-ball, and it's a really easy game. You know, sounds great on it. I love it. You know, there's a couple quirks about the game. You know, it does break a lot and other stuff like that, but it's a great game, and I love that game. I don't believe that for a second, Bruce. You need a better argument. Better argument? That it's a great game? Your argument was other people like it, so it must be a great game. Yeah, exactly. So you're going to be a follower? Yes, I'm a groupie. You're a groupie. You're a Twilight Zone groupie. Okay. Yes, I am. All right. Thank you for making a mockery of this wonderful segment. Yes, I did. Yeah. Hi, Dennis.
    72:16
    Dick. See, Dennis, see what you made him do. You can encourage him. Yes. All right. Are we ready for my next segment?
    72:27
    Are we? Well, I do have, would I or would I not buy that? But we do have one more comment from somebody else. Tom Hickler. Hi, I'm Tom from St. Louis. Been in pinball for a couple years. Got into your podcast last summer and played my first tournament and first league this year. It seems like pizza pinball place I play at is doing fine with food and deliveries, but I was thinking of ways to help with my business. My business itself. Only played in match tourney tournaments so far. Not versed in other formats, but like the qualifying card, I think that would work well.
    72:59
    Maybe you can do, like, a gift card or a packaged beer if allowed, and that would get you a qualifying card for the next tournament. Yeah, that kind of goes against the evenness rules of, you know, hey, you bought something from me before, so you automatically get in this tournament. Nah. I started listening to your podcast from the Buffalo guys. I mentioned you on YouTube tutorials. I listened to some of your old podcasts, and they were on, and Challenge Slam Tilt. Did that ever happen? No, it did not. No, it didn't. That's right. and also he liked about our old dildo crane machine, one of our old ones. He was scared to look it up because he was afraid some Google or Facebook. We had Raymond on that episode, I believe. Yes, it was. Raymond was loving it. Oh, okay. So, yes. So that was another letter we got on Facebook. A letter on Facebook? Yes. Well, it's a paragraph, so I considered it a letter. That is a letter. You know who we haven't got a letter from? Who? Pinball Princess. I know. She's too busy with her own podcast and everything like that. Which just came out. I know.
    74:07
    Congratulations. That would be the Riptide Pinball Podcast. Yes, it would be. And you have your podcast going on. How's that going? We will be recording soon, the next episode, which will be on God League System 3. I'm so sorry. Isn't it great? We're going to go over great games like Shaq. Frank Thomas yeah isn't it great no Brooks and Dunn so your Canadian friend there can't say my name maybe he's like Beetlejuice he's afraid of saying my name three times I'd be afraid I would be too fear me so I got some would I or would I not buy that ah okay a whole shit load All right. A whole shitload. All right. A whole shitload. All right. Hold on. Let me get ready here. Get your fingers. Everyone get your fingers ready. Fingers are ready. Now, what are you doing, Bruce? What are you giving us here? Explain to the listeners. So what we do is I scour through eBay and give you sometimes a good deal, sometimes a funny deal, sometimes a train wreck deal, and you get to laugh along with us. So what I'll do is I'll give you the item number of it. If you want to follow along yourself, you can go on eBay, type this item number that we're going to call out into the search for anything, and see exactly what we're laughing or not laughing about. All right, I'm ready. First one. This one I saw was pretty cool. Ticket number 323-940-134670.
    75:47
    Zachariah, pool champion, pinball machine. Awesome. It says awesome right in the description. It does. Let's see, where is this? This is in Canada.
    76:03
    Someone who sold over 6,000 items on eBay. Wow. I have never seen this game. Wait a minute, a game you've never seen? Oh, this is from Italy, so you know. That doesn't matter, Bruce. Let's see the picture. Blurry, glass on, good start. Great start. Another one even further away from the game, so I can't see anything. Okay. Up closer. Better. Glass still on.
    76:31
    Cydard is just as pool champion. Yeah, it's pretty lame. It's kind of like shit brown, too, color. It's almost like pinball champ. Yeah, it's like an 8-ball champ. It's got that same shit brown color. I should not encourage this game because There's a guy smoking on it. Oh, there's a guy smoking. Yep, he's definitely smoking. We have, hmm, play field looks very eight-ball champy. Yeah, it does. It does. Instead of drop targets, it has stand-ups, but they're like in the same spot. And you see the flipper up top? Oh, my God, yes. Yeah, I've never seen that before in my life. A flipper way up top. All the tops. I mean, you think Devil's Dare has a flipper up top. This thing's way up top. And what you do is you open the flipper, and it comes all the way down the left-hand side. Oh, interesting. To the play field, right to your in lane. The wonderful eight-digit Zachariah displays, because seven digits are for pussies. Yes, need to go eight. Need to go eight. It's got all this same crap with the timer and all that, so I'm guessing it gives you a bonus ball or something. With an 80 bonus multiplier. 80 times. What does it say there? On the bottom of the play field. That's probably the Italian. 60 or 80 bonus multipliers. Oh, my God. It does say that.
    77:54
    X20, X40, X60, X80. Wow. Oh, my God. Now, if you really mod the rules, you can go X140, 180, 200. And the backlist is trying to tell us that. If you're a pool champ, you're going to get the checks. Yeah, the hot babes are going to hang around with the pool players. I do like the kick out on the outer right-hand side. But do you like the price, Bruce?
    78:23
    For rarity, I think about it. You don't see these. No, I've never seen this. So three grand? Three grand. That's the buy it now. You can make an offer. Yeah, you make an offer. Got eight people watching it, folks, so. Man, you better jump on it fast if you think you're going to want this game. Me? If you're going for all the Zacharias, this would be the one you want to grab. Yeah. You never see him. Is there another Zachariah right next to it that looks familiar? Yes, there is. Actually, Super Soccer? Yes. Yeah. So he's got more than one of these. Does that mean there's a Super Soccer probably from the same guy? Maybe. You never know.
    78:59
    Okay. Ready for the next one? Sure. Ticket number, where are you? 362-776-436-491. Wow, you're going for the super rare shit I am This is from Hankin I believe they were the Australian people They are They're the ones who made the Empire Strikes Back game They are This is from Great American Pinball Out of Chicago, Illinois I guess it is Hankin FJ Pinball machine It's not just pinball, it's pinball pinball Pinball pinball Very rare, manufactured in Australia Less than a handful in the United States Have you ever seen one? No. Another one. So two for two for both of us. It says FJ. That is literally the name, FJ. FJ, because it's based off the car. The car FJ was popular in Australia in the 70s, 60s. Oh, okay. So it is really based just for Australians. So Ryan C. This is for you. Ryan C.
    80:07
    He's retired, though. He doesn't do pinball anymore. So we got a very rare manufacturer, free delivery, 20-mile radius if you buy it now. Comes with a voltage stepper to bring it up to 110 volts.
    80:25
    What's the game in the box next to it? It has to be one of the Chicago coin games. Chicago gaming. Gaming. He's always thinking of Stern. Yep. So would you buy this for almost $3,000?
    80:41
    I'm going to do your first question. That is a Monster Bash. Oh, okay. I was answering your first question. I found a picture with it.
    80:52
    Would I buy this? The play field actually looks pretty cool. Different also. Would I buy it for that? Probably not. But if you're going for rare stuff, I've got to say this is one of the rarest ones I've ever seen. That covers a lot of ground, folks. And it's pretty darn clean, too. This is a guy who's played Richie Rich and Aaron Spelling and Michael Jordan. I know. This is pretty clean, though. Playfield is very... Two spinners, though. Hey, you got two spinners. Big-ass apron. Big-ass plastic on the right-hand side. I think that is the biggest Playfield plastic I've ever seen.
    81:31
    Really? Even more than, say, Dragonfist? That one's bigger. That one's way bigger. Really? That goes all the way from the top arch, almost to the two-thirds down. Right, right. That thing is humongous.
    81:45
    It's like they said, well, we don't know what to do with this area. We're going to make a third lane up there, but we'll just cover it up with plastics.
    81:52
    Yeah. But actually, you know, if you're looking for rare, that's a good thing. For me, no. Maybe for you? No. Okay, so we have a two for two. Okay, next game. Ticket number 22. 3-5-4-6-2-7-0-7-1-2.
    82:15
    Wow, you're getting very similar with the pricing. Electronic, supersonic, 1979 supersonic pinball machine.
    82:25
    It's a supersonic flight that holds records. Wait a minute, did he, like, put the thing from the flyer in there? I think so. Jupiter, Florida, $3,000.
    82:37
    Yeah. Let's see. Supersonic flight that still holds records today. The best supersonic themed pinball machine I've ever seen. Okay. That's covering a lot of ground there. Game is fully functional. Restored transformer and new power board.
    82:51
    Rare in this condition. Okay. Let's see. Let's see the pictures. What do we got? $3,000. Ah, we did the different color rubber thing on the flippers. I love that. Yeah, I love that. Red on one side, yellow on the other side.
    83:09
    Side of the cabin looks okay. Then a picture of the flyer, not the actual game. Another picture of the flyer. Okay, actual game. Here we go.
    83:20
    Bruce, it doesn't look like it's LED. No, it's not. It's all incandescent. I mean, it's perfect for you. And it's actually not bad play field wear. Okay, wait a minute. So now in this picture, the flippers both have yellow rubber. I know. Wait a minute. I'm confused. Looks like the correct targets. That's nice. Yeah, it looks like he did a little switcheroo-ski picture-wise.
    83:45
    And the float numbers are a lot lower. Oh, yeah, you're right. Is it the same game? No, it's not the same game. Oh, so you say the pictures in the one part are different than the pictures in the other part? Yeah, I'm thinking so. Really? Yep. I'm trying to see if I can... That's what I'm trying to do also. Any other, like a little wear spot or something. That's what I'm looking for. Yeah. If you look at the one. Yeah, the flippers are, yeah. Well, the one, he's got way of flippers in it. And the other one, they're valley flippers. Yeah. So either switch the bats. And if you look at the spinner. Yeah, okay, well, it's the correct spinner. It is the correct spinner, but I think there's a nick on one side. And I don't see it in any other pictures of the other one. I going to go out of this view because I first having a blown up view investigation folks during the podcast If you look at the spinner in the first picture like the fourth picture you see there a little nick out of the upper left of the spinner Like it's got a little curl to it. I don't see it in the beginning picture, so I think it's totally two different games. Let's see.
    84:51
    Yeah, and the one – Yeah, it's totally different. Totally different pictures. And it's edited. I mean, the one is probably the actual game because it's in the house. And then the other one, the sides are cut off so you can't see any of the background.
    85:05
    Yeah. They're blacked out. Different game. Yeah, it looks like a different game. So on that basis alone, we cannot approve this game. No, sorry.
    85:16
    Fail. And the price right off the bat kills it. $3,000, yeah. You could make an offer. You could make an offer and then say, like, which game am I getting? The one in the first set of pictures or the one in the second set of pictures? and 28 people are watching that. Mm-hmm. Okay, are you ready? Mm-hmm. 184-238-284-222.
    85:43
    Dun-dun-dun-dun. Meet George Jetson. So one of the Jetsons games that was built by Spooky for whoever they were building it for. The seller is the Pinball Company. Yes, it's the same company, Pinball Company. Okay, Columbia, Missouri. Wow, right now it's only $1,300. I wonder why. Because it's not very popular? I don't know. If you like the Jetsons? For $1,300. Right now, yeah. What the hell? I think it's a good deal. Even I think $2,000 would be a good deal. We'll have to see where the pricing is. It's got Topper, Orbit-y, which, see, I only watch the original Jetsons, so I had no idea who the hell Orbit-y was. He didn't come in until they did it again in the 80s. The original run in the 60s, which only had like 12 episodes or whatever it was. No, there's more than that. There wasn't that many at all. I was surprised at the little amount of episodes they had. And when this game first came out, because on the play field it's got all the characters and one of them is Orbit-y, I'm like, I'm thinking to myself, who the hell is Orbit-y?
    86:52
    You know, Astro, Judy, Jane, Elroy, George, and then it's got Orbity. I know. Orbity. What the fuck's Orbity? Who's Orbity?
    87:02
    It's got two spinners. 24 episodes in 1962. Yeah. It was not many. Nope. I agree. So for $1,300? I don't know. I would actually. Yeah. The shipping is $400.
    87:18
    Still not a bad deal. I would definitely think about this for even the bar, you know. It's got 53 bids so far, so. And it's still four days left in this, so. Your chances are high.
    87:32
    So, not too shabby. Yeah, so, well, keep your eye on it, folks. There you go. What does the description actually say? Jetsons Pinball Machine, brand new. One of a hundred. Oh, it's new. I didn't even realize that part. I saw it, like, with a bunch of other games. I thought it was a location or something. Nope, it is new. New. Well, there you go. I didn't think it was a bad deal. No? You should keep that one the next time we do an episode. Make a note on that one. Yeah. I want to see. We'll see how much that actually went for. Care to venture a guess?
    88:04
    I'm thinking $3,500. Yeah. We were thinking the same. Yeah. Okay. Ticket number 113714745330. Hmm. Sega Goldeneye. James Bond. Pinball machine game. Playfield board. Rare.
    88:28
    What does that mean? Playfield board? Just a playfield? Playfield. Okay. Why would I do this? Why would a Bruce actually look up... Because you have a Goldeneye. No, I do not have a Goldeneye. Oh. The reason why I said this one for $600, first, it's pretty cheap for a Playfield.
    88:45
    Second, they always wear down by the crotch. The magnet. Yes. Oh, I guess it is his crotch, isn't it? It is his crotch. Mm-hmm. So if you have a play field, for $600, you can get a – I don't see these come up many times. And actually, you don't realize how nice the artwork is on this play field until you actually look at it without the ramps and everything. It does have some water in his crotch. It does? Yeah, it's a close-up of it.
    89:16
    I didn't see that. Yeah. So it's not a good use. used. Yeah, not much, but it's better than a lot of other ones. Oh, it's better than a lot of ones, yep. It's just a rare piece that comes out. Shipping is only $25. There you go. You're earned it in. It's in Pennsylvania.
    89:36
    Pennsylvania. Glenside, Pennsylvania. Okay, ready? Ready. 223 744 498-449.
    89:53
    Wow, okay. Quarterback arcade game by Leland, 1987. Excellent condition, rare. You ever seen this style? Uh, no. This is actually a sit-down version.
    90:08
    In my mind, this is one of the last sit-down version games that you see besides, you know, 87, 88, 89, you know.
    90:17
    It was side to side. So the control panel is all in the front. Pretty cool, huh? Interesting. Oh, the same people who did Ivan Stewart's Off the Road. Okay, that game I remember. And also Dragon's Lair 2.
    90:32
    So, yep. $3,000 again. Not that nice. No. Why is everything $3,000, Bruce? Did you just... No, because everything seems like it's going for that lately. It's this really, oh my God, lately. So you wouldn't get this? No.
    90:50
    Not at all. But it's interesting. But it is interesting. If you don't see many sit-down games, and you don't see many... That's one of the last ones, I feel, sit-down games. I saw that, like, oh, wow, that's pretty cool.
    91:01
    Like, when track and field, they're going for $1,700. That's pretty sad. What says the one picture they have? Yeah, I know. It doesn't even show the display. Nope, not at all. No.
    91:12
    Ticket number 254557477. 075. All right. Cyclone pinball machine. The price is cheaper. It's $1,500.
    91:29
    Out of Warren, Ohio. Let's see. What do we got here? Good old Cyclone. Any closer pictures? We got some cabinet. There we go. Oh, and he took the glass off. Thank you. You've already won in my book.
    91:48
    Replaced the rubbers, I see. Yeah. Got a weird thing where the posts are red on one side and blue on the other. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah, all the rubbers have been replaced.
    92:00
    Rams look pretty good on it. Yeah. Not great pictures. Back box picture showing the soundboard and the System 11 B. I think it's B on those. FBB because it has the auxiliary driver board. B or C. I think it's one of the first Bs.
    92:17
    $1,500. There you go. I would possibly think about that one. Not a bad game. Good beginner game. Two bids so far. And it's five days left. So this is probably going to go for, yeah. Okay, Ron, ready? Yep.
    92:36
    153-837-800-579. Bally Kiss pinball machine in great condition $10,000 in Grapevine, Texas This pinball is in great condition It has never been out on location It is in my office I think it was made in 1978 There are a few scratches that I posted a picture of $10,000, Ron. But it could be a homies-only kiss.
    93:17
    Hold on. Let's look at it. We got a picture of the side, picture of the playfield with the glass on. It's autographed by all four guys, right? It's got to be, right? I don't see that. No, I don't see it either. There they are. Kiss.
    93:32
    Kiss. Okay, we got a shot of the playfield. Glass still on, but all right. Do you see anywhere? No, not much, but. Come on, Bruce. Clearly, there's no where. This is worth every penny. I'd say this is underpriced. Under, underpriced. It's under, look, it has the original Bally sticker, Bruce. It's on the Coindor. There you go. It's on the Coindor. It's not peeled off. And, man, that Coindor does look pretty pristine. It does. Yeah. It's worth $10,000. So, if you want, if you are a huge Kiss fan and you wanted that home use only Kiss. You wanted the best. You're going to pay $10,000. But it does have make an offer. It does. You can make an offer and say, like, three grand. Yep. Okay, are you ready for the next one? All right.
    94:20
    133-371-951-646. Wait for it, folks. Wait for it. What the hell? Okay. No, it's an actual, it's a Playboy, the Stern one. Yes. Modded severely by Pinsider Trading. That name alone, you have Pinsider in the name. Pinsider Trading. Is this the official eBay store of Pinsider? Fullerton, California. $8,000. used in a private home, never in an arcade, is like new, has the full nudity artwork installed in the factory spots. What does that mean, Bruce? When it was shipped, they actually had cover-up pictures of girls. And in the goodie bag, there was actually naked girls' pictures, so you can actually swap them out. Oh, my. Powder-coated in pink. Pink. This actually hurts my eyes. And LED, big time. Oh, my God, LED, big time.
    95:34
    Fuses are checked and correct values are installed. Safety issue to prevent damage to the game or a fire. So you get a damage or fire?
    95:43
    It has a pink apron. Yes. Like those metallic-looking flippers. Yes. With, like, super bands on them. We love that. Yes, yes.
    95:54
    Nice blurry picture of the shooter lane. I think that's supposed to show it's home use only because there's no wear. Yeah. You know, if you're going to ask for $7,000, get a camera that focuses.
    96:05
    Yes. At least. I mean, you get close-up pictures of the play field, but they're blurry. Yeah. And the terrible back glass in the back, like an alternate back glass. And then he had what looks like a colored DMD in there from. Oh, it's an alternate back glass? Yes. and the DMV, it looks like it's pink also, so it has to be a color DMV. You can change the color on that. Yeah, lovely. Yeah.
    96:33
    It's got Star Wars next to it, though. God, this is getting worse. No, it's not. $8,000. But you can make an offer. I'll make an offer. Nothing. Okay. I saw that thing, and I was like, oh, my God.
    96:47
    It's pretty bad, folks. Okay, ready for more. Wow, how many of these do you have? I had two weeks to get this all ready. Holy cow, well, it's preparation. Like Preparation H. Mm-hmm, I'm ready.
    97:02
    192, 922, 426, 119. Ooh. Is this by the same guy? Yes, the same one. It is. Man, they have multiples of these. Yeah, see? NOS Meteor Stern Pinball NOS Playfield 1980 Original. There's so many wrong things with that sentence, but... Argentinian. Yeah. 1979, not 1980. Price, you can buy it now for about $700.
    97:37
    $256 shipping. And an NOS Stern Meteor Playfield. Done right. Well, it was done by Stern themselves back in the day. Exactly. So let's look at this guy.
    97:49
    Oh, it's got all the holes for you, whatever. Yes. Yeah. Wow. This could be yours. Impressive. You could have the grandest meteor of all.
    98:03
    Get it clear-coated so it's even more obscenely fast. More grand. And that is all. That is all. So what else do we have in the docket since we're almost hitting two hours plus? I don't believe you wouldn't buy that kiss, Bruce. I wouldn't. How about you, Gene? Would you buy it? They would just give it to me. I'm Gene Simmons of KISS. Wow, no. Really? What I would do, I'd sign that game, and then it would be worth... 20? No, 30,000 proofs. Of course, it would cost me 10,000 just to sign it. Yes, it would. Thank you, Gene. Yep.
    98:38
    Did you hear that there? You see, first, there's two things I saw. First, they showed Paul Stanley. They haven't toured in so long. He actually has a beard. I mean, a Grizzly Adams beard. Okay. Which is really funny. And he looks really old in this picture. He looks like death warmed over it. And Gene Simmons is in seclusion, I heard. He doesn't want to get sick. Because the world needs as much Gene Simmons as possible. Of course. Is there any pictures of me without my wig on?
    99:09
    Remember that? They had a picture of him, like, with what's-her-face in the car without his wig on. I know. And he's totally shaved like Tully Savalas, cue ball style.
    99:18
    So I am very happy with the Cheetah, how it came out. Another game for the bar is good. So maybe we can go together. We'll get a plastic set together.
    99:28
    And we can make our own plastic protectors. Or if anyone has one. In lanes, Cheetah. Yes. In lanes, Galaxy. They all need them. Yes, they do. Well, Galaxy, they make those play field kits also. CPR makes both. It's before Stern realized, you know, maybe we shouldn't use plastic for these in-lane guides. Well, you'd think they would have learned by 1980.
    99:49
    They did learn eventually because they started putting the plastic above the metal part. Yeah. But, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Damn you, Stern. Yeah.
    100:01
    Oh, man. Oh, this is going to suck. Yeah, it will. You've got to edit. Oh, I don't mean that. I just mean April, May. June is going to suck. It is going to suck. It's going to suck. Maybe I will play in 26 hours of stop. See? When is it going to start? When's your start time? It'll probably be like 11 o'clock in the morning. So going to 1 p.m. the next day. Yep.
    100:31
    Because then people can get home afterwards, you know? The thing is, if it's smaller, you'll have more rounds. Exactly. And you'll have more play. Less downtime. And less downtime. It'll have less downtime, so it's going to be even harder. Mm-hmm. That's going to be brutal. It will be.
    100:48
    You'll probably want it streamed, too. Of course, Golden. No. Oh, it's so offensive. Yes, that is mean. I couldn't even stream that. You need backup batteries and shit and plopping shit out if you were going to do the whole thing. No, what you'd have to do is less cameras. You'd have to only do a play field shot, not the guy's face. save that camera battery, and then when you run out, you can swap and swap. Or what you can do. We buy another rig and we swap another rig. No, no, no. You don't even need to do that. I have a third strip on the side of the rig. Oh, plug it in. You can charge it. And the same thing on the receiver bar. So you just, the receiver bar, you can just keep plugged in for the whole, because it's not moving. Yeah. And then between rounds, you just plug in the, just keep a really long extension cord and plug it in. Plug it in. Don't forget, underneath the games, I still have extension cord empty spaces. There you go. So, yeah, you could do that. Yes, we're in. We got this down. Oh, God, no. 26 hours of Stomp. Oh, I'm so excited. I just think we can cook breakfast in the morning, too. What would that stream even look like? You have dead people on stream.
    101:59
    I wouldn't play in that one, though. Oh, now you wouldn't play in it? No, I wouldn't. No, because I'd have to be around for 26 hours straight. have to be running a bar and that kind of stuff also, unless we get more people and then we'd have to close the bar like a private party. That'd be kind of cool. That would be cool. Private party, bitches. At 2 o'clock, if it does not close, push all the drunks to 2. Close the bar up except for soda and then everyone else plays. And then at 8 o'clock, the bartenders come back in and they can start serving at 8 o'clock in the morning. That's if you had it on Friday. If it had it on Friday.
    102:33
    Yeah. Yeah, we're in. We got this little plan now. So we are going to, I will be contacting everyone for Stomp West 3. If you want your money back, I have no problem giving it back. That's yours. You want to hold it and wait until we decide when we're going to be able to do this safely? I have no problem with that either. But we wanted to have a safe tournament and an incredible tournament. Oh, Ron, IPDB is looking for cabinet pictures for the original factory black cabinet cheetah. Mm-hmm. Okay. So there you go, Ron. You can help out and have your name in IPDB glory.
    103:09
    So tired. Yeah? Yeah. I hate working from home. Oh, come on. I absolutely hate it. When I'm working from home, I think, man, I want to go home.
    103:22
    Because it doesn't feel like home. I'm working. I know. Kathy has the same problem. She works terrible. I would never be able to do this. I got to work tonight. 8 o'clock tonight. I'm going to be in there another five hours from now. You're going to be sending me my package. No, I don't want to touch your package. Oh, bye.
    103:40
    So, Ron, how does everyone get in touch with us? Oh, yeah. Hold on. Let me turn it on here. You can reach us at the Slam Tilt Podcast at slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com. You can also check us out on our website, slamtiltpodcast.com. All our links are there in the upper right-hand corner. You may have noticed that I've been doing some more streaming lately. He's been golden again.
    104:05
    I actually unveiled the karaoke, the pinball karaoke. Yeah, I missed that. And you missed it, yep. But I did do it. I was not happy with the result, actually. Why? Because it was not in proper sync.
    104:21
    Which made no sense because in OBS I had tested it by recording it and doing a shitload of testing and it was fine. but when I actually did the stream and I listened to the stream back, it was slightly off. I can't believe nobody noticed it or said anything who was watching. I would have been annoyed immediately. It's one of those OCD things. I think I figured out the issue. I was using a different encoder for the recording than I was using for the streaming, so I did a quick five-minute stream when no one would be watching and tried it out, and it seemed to be insane. It's ready for the next. The next attempt, whenever that may be. Okay, well, I wish I could come out there and karaoke with you because I would enjoy that. Yeah, we've got to do pinball karaoke. Get out here, Bruce. You can do it. I can't. That's not social distancing. Oh. Well, it is. Actually, it is because we don't have to be separated. If I just stay 10 feet away from you, we're good. And we both wear masks. There you go. Karaoke with masks. Yes. Are we singing or are we not singing? That's the key. Bruce can sing.
    105:29
    Contrary to popular belief. But that would be the cool thing. Is it him or is it not him? I don't get it. Like you can have somebody else singing in your mouth? Okay. Because you can't sing that. We don't do that. I sing all my own parts, baby. Wow. Mm-hmm. I still don't have my streamer name.
    105:49
    Maybe I'll just do it myself. The Golden Streamer. You know, I have a blonde wig, and you just gave me an idea. Yeah, maybe that could be his name, the Golden Streamer. There you go. He's blonde. He comes out. I am the Golden Streamer.
    106:03
    Oh, God, no, no, no, no. And you've got to sing all of Steel Panther songs. Oh, Jesus. I would sing Community Property.
    106:14
    Community Property. Just the intro alone would be hilarious. Exactly. Oh, man. Yes, that was one of the ones I had on my list. I might try. Well, hi to all of our Facebook people, our fans. We've had at least seven or eight people new following us, which I name out. We're still here. We're still streaming along. Streaming along. How many years now? Almost four. Oh. I know. You've been stuck with me almost as long as my wife feels like she has. Oh. No, I've been stuck with him longer. Oh, my. I'm looking at episode one. Let's see when that was recorded. Yeah. Episode one was released, it looks like, July 14th at 9.50 at night. Ugh. God. On 2016, we unleashed this to the world. Dun, dun, dun.
    107:11
    What day was that? Let's see. July 2016, 7.14 was a Thursday. Yes. Like you normally do. Usually it's on a Thursday. Usually it's Wednesday night, but it must have been a little late.
    107:24
    So even then we were kind of doing it around the same time. Yep. But I miss you, brother. Oh. I know you missed a lot of shows in this past month. My vacation is, like, I won't have a vacation day probably until October. Yikes. Because there's no point. Of course. Take time off to do what? I'm home. I'm already home. I'm already stuck home anyway. It just doesn't make any sense. I'm going to lose so much time this year, but whatever. You take it all from October to December. Yeah, just take every week off. Yeah, I'm taking the rest of the year off. No, you got to do what my dad did. My dad took every Monday and Friday off for the rest of the year. And then guess what? It's like a three-day week and four days home. Mm-hmm. I don't know. They probably would not let me do that. Oh. Damn essential people. I know. Damn you. I'm happy. It could be worse. I could have no job. Exactly. Like I don't. Well, I did until now. Amazon, man. Amazonian. Amazon Bruce. Amazon Bruce? I like that. Amazon Bruce. I can just see Bruce out in the Amazon with his hat on, like the Crocodile Hunter type thing. There you go. See, now with that new show, what's that one that they're talking about, Tiger? Oh, I keep hearing about that. What is that one called, Tiger? We could have used Tiger Rag from there.
    108:39
    We could have been Tiger Rag, the pinball machine. It was supposed to be Tiger Raj, but they didn't know how to do the translation. Exactly. Tiger Rag. Yeah, that Tiger thing, it just sounded so bad. I can't watch it. But everyone has to watch it because it's bad. No. Sorry, I refuse to watch that set programming. Yeah, me too. I'm right with you. I refuse to watch fake reality programming. Just like I refuse to watch WrestleMania, which is happening with no fans, which is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. And for free.
    109:11
    No, it's not free. They said it was for free. No. The network is free, yes. Oh, they boned you on that. Yeah, the network is. So if you want to get the network for free, yes. But if you don't want the network and you were paying for it, still. It's like in an empty place. It's just so stupid. Yeah, I agree. Just cancel it. Postpone it. Wait until the fall. What's the problem? Why is this so hard? I want to keep people entertained.
    109:35
    But they're not entertained because it's stupid. I agree. Sorry. Sore spot for me. So Sammy knows ROMs.
    109:43
    Yes. Yes, ROMs. Yeah, I got you. Okay. Hopefully see you guys. Maybe we'll record next week. Keep Ron busy. No. Yes. No, we're not. If you want to keep Ron busy, since he's so bored he sounds like at home, he needs something to do. No, I don't need to do this. Yes, you do. No, I don't. Yes, yes, yes. Nope. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, Daniel Bryan.
    110:10
    Very good. Well, goodbye. Ron. Goodbye, Bruce. Wow, that's blown. Let's try that again. Thanks, everyone, for listening. Thanks to all our podcast friends, our pinball friends. Hi, Steve. Hi, Zach. We're going to get some more guests on, I think. I think we need to start asking some guests on. Since they're sitting at home doing the same thing as us, I think we need to get some people on. Hey, Ryan C., think of some material. Yeah, we need Ryan C. You need to give us some material like you did last time you were on, maybe some games and stuff that we can play. I know we should be coming up with it, being that we're the hosts, but... We suck. But we suck, so we need material. Scott, we need to get you on. A couple other people we need to get on. If anybody else wants to join us, reach out, please. We'd love to have you on. No cluster fucks. I'm not doing that. No, we'll do that next week. No.
    111:06
    Okay. People still request that you know that, don't they? They were our highest rated episodes. I know they were. Yes, they were. People love ClusterFox. Everyone loves a ClusterFucker, too. Yep. We should have trademarked that. We should have. Yeah. But then I went to trademark it, and I found out that Gene Simmons had already trademarked it. Fuck! Yep. Goddamn you, Gene. Yep. Say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Brian Coulson.
    111:43
    You can't move me if you try Oh my, my, oh my, my Guaranteed to keep you alive Oh my Coming to you from beautiful Oh, that's not going to work. Hold on. You can do that. That feels better. Coming to you from downtown. From plague-ridden New York.