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Episode: 30 Rumor Mill and Expo Expectations!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Oct 16, 2019
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TL;DR

Poor Man's Pinball discusses TMNT/Karate Kid rumors and Pinball Expo prep on episode 30.

Summary

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast episode 30 features hosts Drew and Scott Ian discussing personal pinball acquisitions, rumor mill speculation about upcoming Stern games (Karate Kid and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles), and expectations for attending Pinball Expo. Key rumors include John Borg designing TMNT with potential underground playfield ramps, Jeremy Packer handling artwork, and Christopher Franchi potentially working on undisclosed projects. The hosts also discuss American Pinball's future strategy and Chicago Gaming Company's rumored Medieval Madness remake.

Key Claims

  • Kaneda's Pinball Podcast revealed Stern's next game after TMNT is Karate Kid, designed by Brian Eddy

    medium confidence · Drew and Scott cite Kaneda's Pinball Podcast as source but acknowledge unconfirmed nature; Brian Eddy known to be at Stern

  • TMNT pinball will feature underground/underplayfield ramps and a subway system

    low confidence · Described as rumor with unclear mechanics; hosts debate feasibility of the concept; attributed to unspecified source via Kaneda's Pinball Podcast

  • John Borg is designing TMNT and Jeremy Packer is doing artwork

    medium confidence · Described as 'almost all but confirmed' by hosts; consistent with Borg's past work on Metallica, Aerosmith, Guardians

  • Matt Denisky is working on a retro 80s-themed game for Spooky Pinball

    medium confidence · Hosts cite Kaneda's Pinball Podcast confirmation; acknowledge uncertainty about specific theme/IP

  • American Pinball's third game will be licensed and Papa Duke-level in execution

    medium confidence · Scott Ian makes bet-style prediction based on manufacturer learning from Oktoberfest/Houdini sales performance

  • Chicago Gaming Company may reveal Medieval Madness with extra-large screen at Pinball Expo as limited edition

    medium confidence · Described as rumor; hosts note it could be expensive to avoid undercutting existing Medieval Madness owners

Notable Quotes

  • “He's been teasing for a week or so that he has knowledge about Sam Stern's next game. And everyone thought it was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. But supposedly... Karate Kid.”

    Scott Ian @ ~15:00 — Central rumor claim about Stern's next title; positions Karate Kid as surprise alternative to widely-expected TMNT

  • “There might be underground ramps... You can't have a ramp underground. Under the playfield. It's going to happen.”

    Drew and Scott Ian @ ~28:00 — Humorous exchange highlighting unclear/speculative nature of TMNT rumor; demonstrates hosts' skepticism of source information

  • “I guarantee you this. I guarantee you this again. It's re-up on my bet. I bet you that American Pinball's game number three will be licensed. It will be Papa Duke badass.”

    Scott Ian @ ~45:00 — Strong prediction about American Pinball strategy based on prior game performance and market lessons

  • “I do want to meet a lot of the community. Because like I said, we do communicate with a lot of them, but it'll be interesting to see their personalities on display in person.”

    Drew @ ~55:00 — Articulates primary motivation for first-time Pinball Expo attendance; emphasizes community connection

  • “My list is 50 deep.”

    Drew @ ~65:00 — Demonstrates extensive preparation and enthusiasm for Pinball Expo experience; shows commitment to playing diverse machines

Entities

Poor Man's Pinball PodcastorganizationKaneda's Pinball PodcastmediaScott IanpersonDrewpersonStern PinballcompanySpooky PinballcompanyAmerican Pinballcompany

Signals

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Strong speculation about Stern's next two titles (Karate Kid and TMNT); Karate Kid positioned as surprise alternative to expected TMNT; hosts express excitement despite unconfirmed status

    high · Extensive discussion of Kaneda's Pinball Podcast rumors; multiple confirmations and attributions; clear FOMO/anticipation language

  • ?

    machine_intel: TMNT rumor includes unusual mechanic proposal of underground/underplayfield ramps and subway system; hosts debate feasibility; unclear if mechanics are confirmed or speculative

    low · Extended dialogue questioning how mechanic would work; acknowledged as rumor with uncertain sourcing; hosts express skepticism about logic

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Specific designer/artist assignments for upcoming games: John Borg (TMNT design), Jeremy Packer (TMNT art), Christopher Franchi destination unclear

    medium · Hosts cite multiple designer/artist attributions; John Borg's portfolio mentioned as reference; status varies from 'almost all but confirmed' to speculative

  • ?

    business_signal: American Pinball's sales performance on first two games (Oktoberfest, Houdini) described as 0-2; hosts predict strategic shift to licensed games for third release

    medium · Explicit sales numbers claimed; Scott Ian makes confident prediction bet about licensing strategy; acknowledgment of manufacturer's need to 'get this right'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Chicago Gaming Company pursuing limited-edition strategy for Medieval Madness remake to protect existing collector value; rumored large-screen variant at higher price point

Transcript

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0:00
What's the chef cooking? Poor Man's Pinball Podcast with Drew and Ian. Welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast episode number 30. That's right. We made it to 30. 30! The only pinball podcast that needs to grow up, get a job, and move out of its parents' basement. Yeah!
0:37
We're going to stay basement dwellers forever. All righty. Thank you to all of our listeners for 30 wonderful episodes. And we're shooting for 3,000, so we're almost there. We're sorry that you listened to 30 episodes of the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Your check's in the mail. Thank you for listening. We thank you for listening, and we pity you at the same time. Oh, womp, womp. Thanks, guys. Thank you very much out there, podcast land. Drew, what are you drinking today, buddy?
1:09
What is this? Oh, the honey whiskey. Tennessee honey Jack Daniels whiskey and a little ginger ale. You said all the words. Yep. Those words are going in my mouth now, I guess. I don't know. I'm also having that. My sober October has ended today. Is it the end of October already? Nope, it's the 14th.
1:27
So to me, it can't even be sober first half of October because... I got a good quarter in there. Sober October week.
1:37
Oh, man. Well, I'm not Joe Rogan. I said that before. All right. So let's go over what we're going to talk about today. What are we talking about? We're going to do the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast personal news. We're also going to talk some rumor mill. Rumor mill. Lots of rumors. So many rumors. Thank you, Kaneda. We're also going to do Expo Expectations I said that sexier than what it's going to be Wait, wait, did you just give up our source for our rumors? Expo Expectations And we're going to do a top five Expo Love A little Expo Love there Another top five? I love it It's easy It is, it's easy, it's our thing It's so easy right now It's not even our thing, it's Orbital Elbert's thing We love you, Orby We do. But we like putting in as little work as possible. Top fives are good. We're family men. What do you want from us? I love the top five. All right. And we got a mailbag. Mailbag? Mailbag. All right. So let's go off to Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Personal news. Do-do-do-do-do. What do you got going on this week, Ian? I'm picking up a whitewater. Oh, I'm excited. I'm finally going to have a pinball machine again. so i'm going from the wood choppy you know monster bash to a wood choppy mountain bash i don't even know i i've never played it so i'm just gonna go for it i know everyone loves it never played it ian emptied his penny jar and a game he'd never played i love it i'm like fuck it let's do it take the dive let's play this game take the plunge down the wet willies river you know i'm a yeti man in general. I love Yetis. Snowman, Abominable, whatever. Dennis Nordman Yetis? I love them. I just want them. I just want them in my life. Such a good machine, man. I want the Yeti. I'm excited. Give me the Yeti. I'm going to film it and be like, I'm going to put it on YouTube and say it's a Bigfoot sighting. Get a million hits. Oh, let's do it, man. That's awesome. Done and done. Don't anyone copy that out there in podcast land. That's my million dollar plan. That'll be uploaded by the end of the day. That's my retirement plan. So now I'm going to pick up Whitewater Friday when I find this guy. At Expo, Expo, Expo. Yeah, when I find this guy, he has it, and I'm going to take it from him. Some guy said meet me in the alley and bring $5,000, and I'll give you a machine. No, it was in his room.
Chicago Gaming Company
company
Brian Eddyperson
John Borgperson
Jeremy Packerperson
Christopher Franchiperson
Matt Deniskyperson
Charlie Emeryperson
Pinball Expoevent
Pat Lawlorperson
Great Lakes Pinballorganization
Dennis Nordmanperson
Zach Sharpeperson
Ralph Macchioperson

medium · Hosts discuss pricing and production strategy; note contrast with previous unlimited CGC strategy; Papa Duke limited edition mentioned

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Karate Kid discussion reveals uncertainty about theme-to-pinball translation; hosts debate art/mechanics balance vs. high-budget set-piece expectations for Stern

    medium · Extended conversation about what would work mechanically; comparison to Willy Wonka budget expectations; discussion of soundtrack/callout vs. physical toys

  • ?

    community_signal: Hosts express excitement about in-person community interaction at Pinball Expo; emphasis on authentic community connection rather than staged presentation

    medium · Drew states desire to meet community in person; both hosts emphasize authenticity and no 'dog and pony show'; first-time Expo attendance

  • ?

    event_signal: Pinball Expo positioned as primary venue for major game reveals and community gathering; hosts preparing with extensive play lists; Medieval Madness reveal expected

    high · Multiple references to Expo as announcement venue; Drew has 50-game play list; Chicago Gaming rumor tied to Expo timing

  • ?

    venue_signal: Great Lakes Pinball potentially defunct; no social media activity since April 27; hosts express concern about closure

    medium · Observed lack of Facebook posting; hosts compare to other venue closures (Punny Factory); expressed regret about potential failure

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Hosts initially excited about Karate Kid rumor but sentiment softens when discussing mechanics/translation to pinball; more enthusiastic about TMNT prospect

    medium · Scott Ian calls Karate Kid 'best around' initially; later admits 'this one doesn't grab me as much'; clearer preference articulated for TMNT

  • ?

    content_signal: Kaneda's Pinball Podcast identified as primary rumor source for episode; hosts acknowledge mixed reliability while heavily citing it; indicates influence of this media outlet on community discourse

    high · Repeated citations and references; hosts joke about Kaneda's accuracy; multiple rumors attributed directly to this source

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Matt Denisky's 80s-themed game positioned as confirmed but theme/manufacturer/IP details remain unclear; speculation about possible themes (Care Bears, Back to the Future, My Little Pony) indicates community imagination around limited details

    medium · Acknowledged as Kaneda confirmation but specifics vague; hosts engage in humorous speculation; note this doesn't require Spooky Pinball manufacturer

    • 4:04
    In his room behind the alley. You got to go outside. It was weird because he told me to come alone. I don't get it. So I'm going to just come alone with all of my money. Just give it to them. Ian's going to have the suitcase handcuffed to himself. I got you in turbo. We're going to come in as an entourage, kick down the door. Yeah, we all look pretty intimidating. Yeah. We're an intimidating bunch. If we all sat on each other's shoulders, we might hit six foot. Oh, my God. We are a short bunch. They made us short in the Midwest. We can't help it. It is what it is. We're short, stocky farm boys here, right? It's the weather. The weather. I'm blaming the weather. Oh, I love it. Drew, how about you? Any personal podcast pinball news? You mean poor man's pinball podcast, personal pinball news? I did it good. You did it just fine, buddy. Thank you. Jerk. No, nothing notable. I'm thinking about changing some stuff up. I have space for one more pin, so I'm looking for a System 11.
    5:07
    Anyone out there listening? Swords of Fury, F-14. not system 11 so uh well swords of fury is is it yeah yeah it's 11b i think it's called yeah i don't know all right never mind then but uh yeah just uh something something cool and uh those two are on my radar because they're inexpensive and they're different pins but but then i might trade something next year we'll see um you know for something a little newer i've been i've been Still eyeing up Wonka, but I want to really see what comes out with this rumor mill. I want to see what churns out of the rumor mill today. Rumors. We got rumors, people. It's crazy. Nothing good. We'll see what happens at Expo. Hopefully I'll talk to some people and maybe find a couple games, but who knows.
    5:53
    Piss off the wife, bring home more than one game. I brought three games home. I think she notices. No, she doesn't. You know, you people out there in pinball land and drew, too, you guys got it right. Because you guys got a bunch of machines. The wife's never going to be able to keep track of all those machines. Or maybe they failed to put that much effort into our collections. That's why I'm trying to move into the basement. Because if I can get down in the basement, I have room for, I don't know, 12 pins down there. I've been to your basement. We can get it down those stairs. Oh, yeah.
    6:31
    Drew's got one of them old basements. Yeah, old, old basement. We'll make it happen. Or those old stairs. I'll have to contact Zach Mania flipping out pinball and get me an Escalera or something. We'll figure it out. How are you going to get the Escalera downstairs? I don't know. Well, hey, don't piss on my dreams here, sir. Oh, sorry. I have big dreams. Wait, you don't think we can get games down there? Seriously?
    6:55
    I think we can get games down there. Oh, fuck it. If there's a will, there's a way. We'll make it work. we it's what we do i watched hgtv i'm knocked on a wall you're gonna need more than a wall sir oh man i'm trying to look up this game that was for sale and it was on facebook we're both looking at our phones now we're but it was a cool game it was super cool what the hell was it called i don't know damn it and so a little correction from a minute ago yes f14 is a system 11a sir I was right. I know what I'm talking about most of the time.
    7:32
    Not really, but... I don't know what I'm talking about. I thought that was a DMD, no? I guess not. No, that's alphanumeric. I knew it. And Swords of Fury... I'm totally changing my mind. I knew it all along. No edit, but correction, correction, correction.
    7:50
    F-14 is System 11-A and Swords of Fury, I was right, is System 11-B. Look at me go. The beauty of podcasting. I'll just say I'm wrong. Nobody's going to care. And for the next 20 minutes, we're just going to look up games and tell you what they are. How's that? That's going to be the rest of our podcast. It's going to be effing sweet. Oh, here's a Black Knight for sale. 1650. Steve Beattie's doing it. Oh, I saw that. You know what? That is interesting. And I considered it for a couple of minutes. Yeah. So it's a cool game. It's a pretty game. Yeah. so oh i'm almost to the point where they're selling another machine hold on drew stall them for two seconds oh man okay so uh i don't know i can't talk to myself failure no worries all right so let's talk about the rumor mill should we do rumor mill we should do a rumor mill what what have we been hearing in the rumor mill ian well canada's been talking uh big surprise uh thanks kaneda you know hey 90 of the time he's wrong 100 of the time so give the guy a break um no uh he just dropped a little bit of a bombshell he did maybe you're the best around he's been teasing for a week or so that he has knowledge about stern's next game And everyone thought it was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
    9:19
    But supposedly, and once again, we haven't confirmed any of this with our sources. Our sources. Kuyper hasn't told us.
    9:28
    Our source. Yeah, TurboGrafx7 says, I won't tell you guys. He knows everything. Don't believe anything we say. Not that you guys put any stock in anything that we say. But it's fun to talk about, though. And, you know, potentially, Brian Eddy's. Everyone knows Brian Eddy's at Stern, and he might be making Karate Kid.
    9:51
    What do you think of that, Ian? This is a dream theme for Ian. Oh, absolutely. You know, I was at Halloween Express yesterday. Went to Halloween Express. I saw a, oh, shit, what was it? Like a little gi, you know, a Cobra Kai gi from the Cobra Kai TV series on YouTube. and the headband, basically everything you need to be to be Johnny Lawrence.
    10:18
    Fucker was like $80. Of course it was. It was like $3 in material and $80 is the price tag. Yeah, and then the other option is you can go with cheaper Johnny Lawrence, right? And they had a T-shirt, a Cobra Kai T-shirt, and then a Cobra Kai trucker hat. And that was $60? The hat was $35. Oh, my God. And the shirt was also $30. Jesus Christ. Oh, that's right. So $65. So cheaper.
    10:45
    $15 cheaper. Do you want to be Trucker Johnny Lawrence, or do you want to be the badass in the gi? I just want Johnny Lawrence's bank account. I don't care about being Johnny Lawrence. Jesus Christ. So besides that. Okay. Back to pinball. Yeah. We're getting off topic here. No, it's all off topic. As the usual. Karate Kid is Karate Kid. What would you want to see in a Karate Kid pinball? What did you think of Cobra Kai, the YouTube series? I haven't watched it yet. You cunt. I knew you didn't. You knew I did. Come on, man. Dude, that is such a badass show. I'll get around to it. No. It's on my to-do list. No, you won't, Drew. No, okay. All right, so here's my review of Cobra Kai. I'll go over each episode in order. There's two seasons. Episode number one was badass. Here's the train wreck starting three, two, one. Episode number two. Turns out, it's more badass. Episode three. Took episode one and episode two's badassery, combined them, and made a triple badass show.
    11:51
    Well, you get what I'm saying, anyway. It's badass. It's a great show. So how do I feel? All right, stop. So how do I feel about a pinball machine being in a... Karate Kid form? what would you want to see in it? It's the best around. Well okay but what makes it the best around sir What the actual machine Yeah what would you want to see in it I just wanted to say Karate Kid That it Stern you got me Instant buy This whole time we've done podcasting now. 30 episodes. All I keep yelling is, I want some 80s themes. And after this episode, we won't have any more listeners.
    12:31
    80s themes, Drew. It's an 80s theme. I love it, man. It is an 80s theme. I'm really excited about it. And they've done very well. I mean, you look at Ghostbusters and you look at some of these other ones they've done. so it's yeah what do i want i want the i want to see the i don't even know what you would even put in a karate see that's that's what i'm struggling with i'm like it is a cool theme but i don't know how it translates to pinball no you could all right so the center of the game the play field boom you have the mat from the world championship you know karate kit championship that kind of like wwf that's the mat no no the mat just the mat i'm talking about a ring i'm talking about I understand that. Yeah, just the colors. That's the centerpiece. No, that's just in the center of the ball play field.
    13:16
    You got bonsai trees. You got, I don't know what the hell you'd have. Maybe the little drum thing from Karate Kid 2. I don't even know what they're going to do yet. However, they need to have the soundtrack, and they need to have some call-outs, and they got to find a way to do the sweep the leg mode. I think Ralph Macchio is cheap enough where they could do that. Dude, Karate Kid was a big hit, or Cobra Kai was a big hit. Now he's expensive again. Well, maybe. But I mean, in the grand scheme of things, he's probably less expensive than a lot of other call-outs that we wanted and couldn't get.
    13:53
    Regardless. Boom. Karate Kid. I think that'd be great. Okay. I don't know how to translate. Just give me a couple of ramps. I want a soundtrack, and I want some of the artwork to be very reminiscent of Karate Kid. Okay, so you'd be okay with the stern treatment of this game as long as it had the soundtrack and some... Yeah, this isn't Willy Wonka. This isn't set pieces. This isn't very high...
    14:19
    Sure. This isn't... There's not going to be a lot of mechs and different things because it doesn't... Let's just say this. The Karate Kid budget was probably $15,000. Yeah, we were talking about that. tic tacs like there's not a lot to that movie yep you know so hell as long as yeah we have some shout outs just peered and call outs i mean okay some artwork okay sound good music i'm into it riding the cobra cry kai wave yeah okay yeah okay yeah maybe johnny lawrence in a the skeleton outfit i don't know yeah i'll be honest this one doesn't grab me as much as when i heard some other rumors it's it's cool what other rumors would you like well it's karate teenage mutant ninja turtles you want that over karate kid oh yeah yeah okay no there's nothing wrong karate kid i think it's great i think the movie's awesome i just i don't see it as a pinball machine but that's just me so yeah strong take drew strong take now teenage mutant turtles is awesome okay It is awesome. That would be game rumor number two. Well, that rumor has been all but confirmed. It's just a matter of do they release that next or do they do that afterwards? Yeah. However, one of the new rumors coming out, we talked about our top five. What was that, two episodes ago? What we want to see in a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle. I thought that was the last episode. I can't remember. We've done so many of them. We have 30 episodes to choose from now.
    15:47
    That's true. But the new rumor is they do have a subway-type system, but the better part of that rumor is there might be underground ramps. How freaking cool is that? It's a subway. No, ramps. You can't have a ramp underground. Under the play field. It's going to happen. How do you have one? I don't know. This is just what I hear.
    16:12
    We're defying logic and gravity at the same time. Jesus. I can't help what I hear. No, Ian. They're ramps.
    16:26
    I have it under good authority. There are under playfield ramps. I'm happy that you think there's going to be some ramps. What if there was like a... I think anything under a playfield is a subway, buddy. Sorry.
    16:40
    I don't know. We'll have to see. Wouldn't you love to see something unique and different? I'm just trying to figure out what that even fucking means. Nobody knows. And I'm not just making this up. But how does that even work? What does that mean? Where does the ball go, Drew? In your head. Okay. In your head, you have something pictured. So if you picture a normal ramp, okay? Yeah, it goes up. The ball's going off the ramp. Yep. Then you could have the ball deep dive into the play field via a manhole. Okay. Okay? So it's got to go up pretty high so it gets some velocity on it. Need velocity to go down? Because gravity will take it down. Correct. But the higher it is, the more velocity it's going to get, obviously.
    17:28
    So this is physics, Ian. Why not just a hole in the play field? Like it just drops into the play field? Because then it's just a subway.
    17:42
    Okay. I'm dying. I heard this. I had the same problems. I'm a logical thinker. Nope. Not anymore. dude but i'm just envisioning something very cool and yeah the ball you know dives beneath the play field and then somehow comes back up not with a buck but you know maybe it you know rides a ramp underneath we'll see we'll see what happens i don't know no it doesn't get into this it's it sounds crazy but this is just what i heard i didn't make this up no but what you're saying is ludicrous it makes no sense to me it's nothing new that's just a ramp that's well we'll see what happens yeah underneath the playfield i mean maybe there's a underground ramps dude yeah underground ramps not subways but then but then the word after that was subway system i wish we had the audio you know maybe we'll dig up the audio and play that i'll pass okay i'm not doing okay but but either way even said that uh canada oh yeah big surprise um but but we're all in agreement a subway system is in order we all said that i mean that would just that that's almost a must in a game like that so all that to say i'm still very excited to see what they can do with a teenage mutant ninja turntable all right i'm with you there buddy there you go artwork alone the zombie yeti's doing yeah and that's yeah so so the rumor is borg's designing it john borg who as we know he did uh uh metallica he did aerosmith he did monsters he did i mean you know a lot of cool he does uh guardians he does a lot of fan layouts but it sounds like this one's not going to be a fan layout it's gonna be something a little more unique so that's kind of cool yeah so i'm excited so and then you were saying zombie yeti for that and zombie yeti is has been like i This has all been almost all but confirmed. Okay. All right. Well, where do you think Chris Franchi is going then? We're in rumor mill. Rumor mill. Do-do-do-do-do-do. I would think he has to be doing something for Jersey Jack. Yeah. Not spooky? That's an easy game number two? Maybe. But that one. Or is that too late? Yeah, it's too late. Because that one's already got to be. Yeah. They are working on it. Potentially. American pinball. But here's my thought. And this kind of was controversial, too, because Chris Franchi, as we know, he does a lot of the photorealism type art. Yeah. Just think a la Monsters and Guardians.
    20:14
    Very cool. He draws people very well. His art style is very cool. But some people said, what about Toy Story? And you're like, well, that's animation. That's not really his style. But he's a super talented dude. So, Chris Franchi, I know you listen. You are super talented, and you can draw anything you want. And if they want you to draw for Toy Story, have at it, buddy. I'm excited, yeah. And Toy Story, as I've said many times, is something I really want to see. So Chris Franchi's on that art. I'm buying it, sight unseen. You know Great Lakes Pinball?
    20:53
    Oh, the expose. On their Facebook page. They haven't posted anything since April 27th. You think they're just defunct now, or what? Not a good sign. No. They're going to go the way of the punny factory.
    21:07
    Not a good sign. Yeah, it's not very punny. Yeah, they didn't really... Yeah. I hope they're doing all right. I don't know. Well, that theme doesn't really... Expose? Yeah. No. Yeah, it's kind of a... It falls flat for me, so... What can you do? That makes me sad. Yeah. Yeah, I always hate to see them. See them fail, but... All right. What else we got? Rumor mill. Scott Denisey game. Number two, Retro 80s. Yes, that's been confirmed, right? It is. Kaneda said it. Yeah. We got to get out this Kaneda. Kaneda, quit with the rumors, man. Hey, Kaneda, man, why don't you come on the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast? Yeah, come on our show. Debate us about rumors. Tell me about how ramps work underground. Yeah, Kaneda. I love you, Kaneda. It's okay, brother. All right.
    21:55
    License theme? I don't know. We're not going to go there. All right. Not that we have inside knowledge for the first time ever, but let's keep going. All right. But we can agree, though, because it's a Scott Denise game, it doesn't have to be spooky.
    22:11
    Yeah, we were talking about that. And, yeah, I don't think it has to be because, like, TNA wasn't spooky. Yeah, it's kind of futuristic. Yeah. So it could be anything, folks, in 80s theme. It could be anything. It could be back to the future. It could be Care Bears. It could be. My Little Pony. Care Bears shot Boom Skill shot Is Chris Franchi doing that? Care Bears stare Didn't he make some joke about that? He would do the Care Bears pin or something I don't know Chris Franchi We want to see your Care Bears art Yeah Could you just do that? Maybe he's working for Spooky For their Care Bear package You heard it here first folks Spooky's Pinballs Scott Denise's game Number two Care Bears Drew's shaking his head He's like Just stop Alright American Pinball So when do we think we're going to see their next game, speaking of all these rumors? Until next year. You think next year, huh? You think they're going to? Oh, yeah. October Fest is going to continue to sell? Game number three from them, they need to get that right. It's going to be a while. Sure, but.
    23:16
    Unless they make the same mistake. Hey, man, they might put a game on Expo, and then they'll be right back making the same damn mistake over and over again. they'll release a game at expo and then we'll see it in 2021 do we do we think that these manufacturers have learned their lessons well i think he they have that's why i say next year in the last 24 months there have been so many mistakes you know even even uh charlie who's doing really well at spooky now you know he said you know he he really doesn't want to reveal a game until it's like ready to go right right you know and that was his you know and alice cooper looked that way and then they had some hang-ups and they struggled for a few months but they were finishing up the TNAs and then they started with Alice Cooper which is great.
    24:05
    I love to see that if they can just announce a game and then start shipping within a month. Yeah, I think that's the plan. When we were there, he was very serious about that. We love you, Charlie. I'm talking about all of them, though. Yeah, but I just want to say I love you, Charlie. We do love you, Charlie. so no for the majority I hope they learned I mean it always hard with American Pinball though it just seems like they want to do their own shit kind of like what we do our podcast it kind of our own thing yeah but this isn our livelihood well i still do this if it wasn livelihood just saying i don know if i changed it up too much but they they have a way they want to do it and they're going to do it that way i don't know if it's the right way but well i'm just saying i guarantee you this i will guarantee you this again it's re-up on my bet i bet you that a american pinball american pinballs game number three will be licensed it will be pretty badass no i just had that one it's gonna be licensed it's gonna be a licensed game they've learned so they're not doing those trademark stuff i bet you it'll be an no no they're not doing a robin hood or valkyrie those are the worst nobody wants those Sherlock Holmes. What was the fourth one? Those are the most American pinball games you could possibly buy. No, those are terrible. Okay, so it's going to be a big theme. It's going to be a licensed theme, and they need to push it big time.
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    And I think they may have learned their lesson. I'm excited about it. It'll be good. Sure. It'll be good. Not to say that Oktoberfest is bad, because I really like Oktoberfest. Oh, it's a great game. I've said that from day one. And I think Houdini is beautiful, regardless of what Chris over Canada. I don't know why I keep bringing him up. Besides that, I think it's a beautiful machine. I like the steampunk thing. Sure. To me, they're 2-0, not 0-2. That makes sense. American Pinball. Well, maybe. Me, personally. Yeah, I was going to say. I know sales-wise, they're 0-2. Okay. That was what I was going to say, because at the end of the day, for them, that's what matters. I mean, they need to get this right. Right. And, you know, the other one is CGC. They might show Medieval Madness, the new one, with the extra large screen at Expo.
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    That's the rumor I've been hearing. Yeah, that's... Because that's kind of been a big deal because the other games look so great, and they can finally release this other one. But they said it might be pretty limited. Isn't that funny, though, how Medieval Madness a few years ago was $10,000? Yeah, when that thing first came out. Now if they release another version of Medieval Madness with the large screen, you can be possibly looking at remakes going on the second market even cheaper. Yeah, but they said this one's going to be pretty limited. We'll see. Because that was kind of their thing. They didn't want to cut out the people who had already bought them, so they're going to make this one limited. It's probably going to be, I don't want to say terribly expensive, but it's going to be not cheap. All right, well, cool. It's not going to be like their Monster Bash and Attack from Mars, I don't think. I'm into it. Yeah. No, it's cool. What else we got? Rumor Mill's done. We're calling that Expo Expectations. Do we have any expectations for Expo? I got expectations for Expo. Man, we've never been to Expo. You've been to Expo? No, that's why I have zero expectations. Expectations? Things you're looking forward to. What are you looking forward to most?
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    Playing pinball. No, I'm looking forward to – I do want to meet a lot of the community. Because like I said, we do communicate with a lot of them, but it'll be interesting to see their personalities on display in person. I think they say the same thing about you. Yep, and my personality is exactly this. They want to see Drew's different. Nope, the Drew's Zip is not manufactured. Yeah, dude, this is us.
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    You're going to be disappointed. Yeah, if you're expecting some dog and pony show. Nope. No, no. We only have one rule. Let's be ourselves, right? Yep. Unlike some other podcasts out there. We're calling you out. Yeah, call them out. That's fine. No, we are who we are. Yeah.
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    We've said this many times, and it holds true. If we were sitting here without mics, this would exactly be the conversation we'd be having. Yep, exactly. There just wouldn't be a mic in front of our face. I know. We've decided let's record this. because full disclosure we started this podcast a little differently today and we actually scripted some stuff that we thought was funny and it was terrible oh we were sober well that too but the point is is that when we try to force stuff it just it doesn't work it doesn't just ridiculousness folks um so expectations for expo i want to play as many different games as i can i have a list do you have a list we're not going to talk about here but i have a huge list of games that I want to play. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. And you don't want to list it here? Well, no, we can, but it's just so long. Really? Yeah. You really thought this out. Oh, my God, I'm excited. Give me a couple.
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    Crap, see, now you put me on the spot. Loser. Safe Cracker. Really? Why not? It's a cool game. Is it? You know, it's rare. Well, I don't know. I've never played it. What do you mean, is it? first of all it's a pat lawler design yeah it doesn't mean much no it doesn't but um just kidding kids i love no it's there's games here that we may never see anywhere else really just well sure i mean you can't you can't go to your local pub and play a safecracker well you're just assuming there's a safecracker i there might my list my list is 50 deep all right Well, that's just Pinside, man.
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    I got to number, I think, 380 on Pinside. Oh, my God. Oh, I was deep. I was deep in there. Okay. And I was like, all right. I was really expecting this to be different than MGC then.
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    No, MGC had quite a few. I mean, they had a bit. We'll see. So we'll see. Future Spa? How could I not want to play a game with a guy curling lasers? Yeah, no doubt. I mean, seriously. And then I just discovered one today. somebody was selling it on Facebook. It's a Gottlieb. It's called Excalibur. Fuck, that was the game I was going to look up.
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    Oh, my God. You found it. That's cool, right? Yeah, he was selling it, and it was like $1,600. No, not Greg Bone. No, I forgot who the guy's name was. But anyways, I'm looking at this game. Greg Bone almost bought a Stargate. He PM'd the guy. Oh, really? He had a Stargate for sale. Oh, I saw that one, yeah.
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    Excalibur, that was the game I was trying to look up. That's funny. So, you know, just cool stuff that, like I said, you might not see. And then some games that I might have played once or twice. I just want to play a couple more games on to see if I like them or whatever. Like Swords of Fury, like I said, I really want one, so I just want to play a few more games and make sure it's something I really want to get. Gotcha. All right, should we do our top five? Let's do it. Top five. Wow. All right, so today's top five is top five. I called mine Expo Love. So these are just top five things we're looking forward to in Expo? Yes, mine I called, because as we often do, they're a little different. Top five Expo things I want to do or see. Perfect. That's what he told me to do, but I just did Expo Love. Yeah. Ian never listens to me when I talk. Nope. All right, Drew, why don't you start us off? Number five. I want to take a selfie with Roger Sharp's mustache Roger sit down It's just me and your mustache Roger if you want to be in the picture You can too Okay alright but the mustache That's a good one I really gave it some thought Alright I didn't So I thought five Number five It seems to be a running theme Ian Yeah I know I'm terrible at this Alright hug Chris Franchi I just want to give him a hug Are we best friends Alright what's your number four Give Chris Franchi a big old bear hug Folks we honestly We cannot make this stuff up Did we just become best friends That's what I meant to say I got the line wrong No we honestly We don't confer on this stuff We do them separately And holy crap Hug Chris Franchi is a big old teddy bear I've been called a big old teddy bear. We can hug it out. All right. Well, I'm going to hug him for it. All right. You're number. You're number three. My number four. Oh, number four, yes. I'm going to hug Ken Cromwell.
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    We're getting huggy, folks. Ken, I'm coming for you, brother, whether you like it or not. If you go back several episodes, there was one where Ian was particularly inebriated.
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    Yeah, he wanted to kiss Ken Cromwell. Well, it's. That's okay. I'll do a hug. I don't think I'll get thrown out, so I'll do a hug right now. so hug i love it i love it number three i want to meet george gomez that's a good number three yeah just to say hi i mean george gomez you know i respect him so much i love what he's doing at stern he's just you know he's just awesome yeah and he's seen he seems like he's just that type of guy too that's just cool to talk to for a few minutes and 100% ball so yep all right my number three uh hug zach many i want to hug zach many just bring him in you know bring him in i'm sure he'd appreciate that. Hold him tight. I hope he understands. He's all about the bromances.
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    But I'm going to hold him for a little bit longer than he wants. He'll be okay with that. How long do you think I can hug him? Before he shoves me away. That'll be the bet. How long can I hug Zach Money? Oh, you've got to record this.
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    There's going to be a lot of filming going on at Expo. I'll just hold on and see if he can ride the wave. We're going to have a few restraining orders by the time we get out. All right, so that's my number three. What's your number two, sir? My number two, I want to see Steve Ritchie playing a game and go up behind him and whisper, play better. He probably wouldn't hear you. Oh, too soon. All right. Play better. Yeah, there you go. I got a crack in my ears. Holy crap. That hurt. Sorry. But, yeah, no, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. My number two is simple. It's play Elvira and the Party Monsters. I wanted to say hug Elvira, but I don't think I'll get that close. So I'll just want to play that pin. New pins from Stern. Heard it's pretty cool. You mean Elvira, House of Horrors? He said Party Monsters.
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    Yeah, I want that one. Edit, edit, edit. The newest one. Whatever. I'm not even going to edit that, folks. Play Elvira. No, we all do. I've been wrong multiple times this episode. I'm just going to keep it rolling. So play Elvira and the House of Horrors? Yep. House of Horrors. House of Horrors. Horror Horrors. Playing with the House of Horrors. The horror cars. Oh, the horror. Okay.
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    My number one is also a game that I want to play. I want to play Hardbody. Ooh, that's a good number one. That's a good number one. I also want to play Hardbody. So Hardbody, if you're there, get ready. My number one is just play pinball. So that's it. I just want to play some pinball. I want to meet you fuckers too, but I definitely want to play some pinball because I've been pinball-less for way too long. So all you guys who are listening and don't know who we are in real life, go to our Facebook page and check out our pictures. We look pretty similar. Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Yep. And we'll look kind of like that. Yeah, no doubt. Come up and say hi. If you come up and say hi, I will give you a Poor Man's Pinball Podcast sticker. I will have stickers. Ooh, do you hear that? Free swag. Swag. We got some swag. Swag, swag, swag, swag. Swag? Swag. Swag is something else. Swag.
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    After it came out of my mouth, I was like, that's not right. That's something totally different. We'll have free swag. You have to ask your wife about that. We'll have some stickers. So we'll pass them out. Awesome. We'll give Ryan Kuyper a bunch, too. So when he's streaming, he has to come up to Ryan Kuyper, TurboGrafx-7. The first person to come up to us and say hello will get a t-shirt once we get them made.
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    Oh shit Yeah one person We might have t Yep we working on it so stay tuned for that T Actually we have some cool designs We're in the final phases. And, yeah, the first person to come up and say, I'll tell you this. We'll change this a little bit. The first one to come up to us and say, what are you drinking?
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    Okay. To us. All right. They're going to get a T-shirt. I like it. And so when that person happens to come up to us, we'll get your name and email address and stuff, and we'll figure out how to ship you a shirt. It might be a little while yet, but we should have them before the end of the year. Yep, and look for us on Friday at Expo, all day Friday. All day Friday and me all day Saturday. And then Drew will be there all day Saturday. He'll probably be hanging out with Kuiper and them. Yep, TurboGrafx-7. Yep.
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    But, yeah, that's it, man. So cool. All right, good top five, Drew. Good top five. Yeah, that was good. We did good on that one. It felt good, man. I liked that one. So let's go into mailbag. Mailbag, mailbag. Mailbag. All right, let's do some Facebook love. Drew, you ready? I'm ready, sir. All right, Brian Rager. We love you, Brian.
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    He says, love the podcast and what you guys are doing. Listening to the top five. Finally, some Space Invaders love. We do love Space Invaders. It's a good game. Yeah, it is good. My only solid state You know it's good It's good if it's a case Like there's a flood And you need to get out In a hurry You need a boat You can put ten people in there You can save the neighborhood In that fucking boat Oh my god Alright He goes Finally some Space Invaders Love My only solid state Left in my collection And it's never leaving The base quickening When you blow it up Perfect Anyway Look forward to Many more episodes Brian Thank you so much sir Drew What do you got over there Well Some of these go back A couple of weeks our pin side thread we have a lot of new fans. You ready for this? I have not looked. So I'm excited. So Catchlight he says listen for the first time to your podcast episode 23. Had me and my wife laughing out loud on a long drive home from my in-laws cabin. Hey! It turned a long drive into a short one. Subscribed. Thank you Catchlight. Awesome man. Catchlight. Thank you. Then we have our buddy Kaz. You guys might know Kaz. Kaz is everywhere. He's one of the special correspondents for Special Win Lit. For the American Pinball. Fun episodes. I listen to every one. I always enjoy the laid-back, less serious podcast approach. Definitely a fun listen. Translation, we're drunk and we're talking about pinball. We don't know what we're talking about. Kaz, we love you, man. And Kaz is going to be at Expo. Oh, yeah. So, Kaz, we're really looking forward to... We've got a picture with Kaz. Yes, really looking forward. Hope we can get that for the Facebook page.
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    Tuna Delight. Another entertaining episode. Thanks, guys. Side note. good luck finding a scared stiff for four to five thousand that's not beat to hell that's what we were comparing the you know the price of pins and stuff and we just kind of threw out some numbers because yeah scared stiffs are like six seven thousand or whatever seven to eight yeah yeah they're up there they are yeah we said you can get like a scared stiff and a party monster for like 10 but you know i guess you probably could some deal i don't know beat the hell yeah thanks It's due to the light for showing our lack of knowledge there. But yeah. No, it was just we got into the moment. Yeah, we were just so angry at the price of new pens that it didn't matter at that point. But you're 100% right, sir. Yes, yes. And we acknowledge that and we know that. We do better than that. Totally.
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    Screaming R, I stumbled upon your podcast today. There's a lot of those. People are stumbling into our podcast. We're stumbling during it. And listened to the last three episodes. So I'm glad I did. It was a breath of fresh air. Like you guys. Oh, sorry. Like you guys, I love drinking and pinball. You're not full of the usual PC bullshit we get these days. My usual go-to podcasts are Kaneda and Twip. I know Martin and Ryan C, but Head to Head has gone downhill since Ryan left. Yikes. We love you, Ryan. We do love you, Ryan and Marty. Marty! You guys have my Twippy vote for best podcast. No shit. That's one. Thank you. Thank you, Screamin' R. We will have three Twippy votes. I love it. Who's the third? My mom. Okay. I was going to say, I thought I was going to vote for somebody else. So that's awesome. There's a couple more, guys. Bear with me here. I really appreciate it. Guys, keep them coming. This is awesome. Leo Matthew Adams on Pinside. Leo Matthew Adams. Really enjoying the content so far. Love the lightheartedness of the vibe. I love beer and good pinball game. Keep up the great work. Any chance you plan on doing any YouTube content.
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    Content? And we've talked about this. Stay tuned, Leo. And I responded back to him and did tell him that. And for you guys who are new or haven't heard, we are looking into doing some sort of YouTube stuff, hopefully, by the beginning of next year. Yeah, end of this year. End of this year, we'll be dipping our toes in podcast land. Yep, we're doing some stuff. Video podcasting. We get motivated sometimes. You can watch this shit show in person. It's going to be great. so thank you guys for all those uh submissions and uh awesome keep them coming what else we got all right so we have martin martin our number our best listener number 15 martin you have been awesome with these submissions uh the man himself i mean he's getting bigger than we are guys he is the coolest all right he wrote uh hey drew and ian uh back from the land of cheese and beer had a great time in appleton wisconsin if you're ever there hit up player two barcading on college avenue great beer and an awesome selection of pinball machines played a ton of new machines shout out to what is that appleton wait shout out to player two um uh anyway here are my top five pointless top 10 lists for your enjoyment such a poor man's list i love martin so we're gonna play that right now. Hey all you out there in poor man pinball podcast land. Listener number 15, Martin here. Checking in. Week after week we hear them kind of making light of top ten lists, top five lists. So I thought, in honor of Ian Druin's constant struggle with top five lists, I would come up with the top five most pointless top ten lists of all time right all right yeah are you with me all right coming in at number five top 10 super cars yeah there's a list of those impractical pointless cars that go from zero to a million in two seconds and they cost more than every listener on the internet can make combined for the rest of their lives for one car like yeah great and of course it's the fastest car it costs 6.9 million dollars without a radio. And they're often junky. Okay, enough. I'm not going to go off on a rant. I would make a list. Top 10 rants of the rants. Number four. The top 10 prettiest actresses or the top 10 best looking guys. Why? Of course they are. I don't need a list of people. Look how pretty this girl is. She wouldn't even acknowledge her in existence. But, uh, great. Thanks for that. Number three. any top 10 list on Facebook or social media. Don't click it. Just don't click it. It's literally just a slideshow to keep you clicking the clickbait and clickety-clickety-click. Before you know it, you're seven minutes in. You can't even arrow back. Just don't. Just stop. Or any Facebook or social media list, don't click it. Even this one. If this is on Facebook, don't click it. Somehow it'll be a slideshow of garbage and nonsense.
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    Number two. The top 10 greatest cities to live in or the top 10 most affordable cities. The only reason these lists exist is so you click them to see where your city is to see if it's really as bad as you think it is. The number one most pointless list of all time is this top five list of pointless lists. It's meta. Think about it. Well, anyway, that's my submission for the most pointless lists, number one being this list. so there you have it thanks for listening and thank you ian and drew for all the sloppiness that you give us each and every week we all love it we all need it we crave the poor man pinball podcast keep on keeping on brothers martin out all right true so that was awesome the list of lists and and he he acknowledged that his list was the number one most pointless list you know i love I love that about him. You know what the fucking thing is, man? I've clicked on every one of those lists. Oh, we all do. You know, that's the thing. This was actually, as he's explaining it, everyone's like, yeah, yeah, I've done that. Yep, that list. We've all seen it. Yeah. Yeah, very good list, Martin. And it was very meta at the end there. We didn't have to think about it because we're smart fucks, but I know what you're doing. Yeah. We're real smart. Sloppiest show on the internet, baby. Appreciate you, Martin. And that was way better than any of our top five lists. yeah if i had a top five list of top five lists that were done on this show that would probably be number one of the top five yes that was a good one you have come in and usurped us again you bastards so thank you martin i appreciate it drew that's it that's all i got brother that's it man we did good today as always wrapping it up wrapping it up thanks for listening guys uh episode number 30 in the books how do you feel about episode 30 drew nobody thought we were going to make it. Yeah. And here we are. Here we are. Sloppiest show on the internet. People tend to like our style. I'm just going to keep going. It's not stopping. I told someone on Facebook the train's going to keep rumbling. Yeah. You poor bastards are in for a treat. Oh, we did forget about that. Our friend Ian Harwer, yeah, he put it on there. Oh, man, I lost the bet. You guys made it to 30. And I said, man, the train is rumbling and the only bet you're going to lose now is if you say we're not going to make it to 3,000. Right. We're going, man. I don't know where we're going to end up, but we're going. So email us at poormanspinball at gmail.com or like us on Facebook, Poor Man's Pinball Podcast on Facebook. We hit 120 likes. We blew up. Thank you, guys. We seriously have. I was just trying to get to 100. You guys went above and beyond, 120. I really appreciate it. Yeah, like us, tell your friends. Fantastic. He gives us a good view. And then when we promote, hint, hint, T-shirts and other cool things, guys, we got some cool shit coming up. Hashtag Twippy 2019. We've been spending a lot of time. We're planning big things. These two fucking idiots are planning big things. We got big things in the works. No, we don't. Yeah, they're big for us. We have stuff in the works. We do. We're trying to do our own thing And I hope it's showing Because we're not going to be part of the boys club Yeah And we don't take this stuff lightly We really are working at it It seems like we're just here drinking and having fun And we are There's stuff going on behind the scenes That is more than we see I.E. our careers are suffering Because of this pie Thank you careers We both lost our jobs this week Our wives are leaving us We got more time for pinball Well, thank you everybody again. We will see you next week, episode 31, when we do our Expo review. Drew? Expo wrap-up. I love it. All right. Bye, guys. See ya.
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