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Episode 188 – Snippets From Our Emails

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 43m·analyzed·Jun 21, 2022
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt covers Toy Story reveal, pricing concerns, and JJP customer support issues.

Summary

Slam Tilt Podcast Episode 188 features guest Chris Davis from Washington State discussing his pinball collection and experiences at the Northwest Pinball Show. The hosts extensively cover the Jersey Jack Toy Story pinball reveal, criticizing the marketing execution while acknowledging strong sales ($30M+). They discuss pricing concerns ($12,500-$15,000), Pat Lawlor design quality, and durability issues with clear plastic playfield elements.

Key Claims

  • Jersey Jack made over $30 million from Toy Story preorders on the first day

    high confidence · Jack Guarneri (JJP owner) statement cited by hosts; verified fact from official sales

  • Toy Story CE (1,000 units) sold out in 7 minutes after website went live

    high confidence · Ron directly states CE was gone by 12:07, seven minutes after 12:00 release

  • Toy Story pricing is $12,500 (CE/LE) and $15,000 (premium tier)

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce confirm exact pricing during discussion

  • Guns N' Roses originally priced at $9,500, later increased to $10,500

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce discuss GNR pricing history and comparison to new Toy Story tiers

  • Pat Lawlor has been working on Toy Story for approximately three years since Willy Wonka

    medium confidence · Ron estimates timeline based on Willy Wonka release and game development cycles

  • Toy Story reveal video was pre-leaked by being left on Jersey Jack's server beforehand

    high confidence · Hosts confirm leak happened; pictures/video found on server and posted to Facebook before official 10 PM reveal

  • Raymond Davidson played Toy Story and reached the wizard mode

    high confidence · Bruce states 'our own Raymond Davidson got to play it this week and got to the wizard mode'

  • Jersey Jack dropped 'Standard' tier games due to poor sales

    medium confidence · Hosts discuss that Standard tier was eliminated from current lineup after GNR/Wonka; couple units sold but discontinued

Notable Quotes

  • “They made over $30 million already off this game...So how can we say it was bad? It was a failure. It was complete success.”

    Ron Hallett @ N/A — Captures the tension between poor marketing execution and strong commercial results

  • “For $12,500, I better get Woody coming to my fucking house...Their customer support sucks. Plain and simple.”

    Ron Hallett @ N/A — Core criticism of JJP's pricing-to-support value proposition and customer service issues

  • “It's going to be a dribble show...Games are going to come out in 12, 10, 5 a week, and people are going to jump off their ads.”

    Ron Hallett @ N/A — Predicts problematic supply chain rollout similar to Guns N' Roses, with initial high inventory followed by irregular deliveries

  • “Don't put the thing on there and let it sit there. You're inviting – you're inviting – and a lot of these pinheads are IT people, and they're going to find this shit.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ N/A — Commentary on poor security practices in pre-release content management

  • “Whatever Jersey Jack is paying Zach Minney for his Straight Down the Middle videos they should double it because everyone saw the initial video and hated it.”

    Ron Hallett @ N/A — Acknowledges that YouTube content creator videos outperformed official JJP marketing materials

  • “The first thing people are going to be talking about is that the jump ramp lands on the clear plastic. And I'm sure that clear plastic is going to be the first thing broken.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ N/A — Durability concern about Toy Story's jump ramp design and lack of protective elements for tablet screen

  • “You have a chipping play field right out of the box? Yeah, we'll send you some washers, maybe some clear. And if you want to buy a play field, you can buy it from us at cost if we have extra.”

    Ron Hallett (paraphrasing JJP support) @ N/A — Highlights JJP customer service inadequacy for manufacturing defects

Entities

Chris DavispersonRon HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonJersey Jack PinballcompanyPat LawlorpersonRaymond DavidsonpersonZach MinneypersonStraight Down The Middle

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Customer support inadequacy at Jersey Jack; documented pattern of minimal remediation for manufacturing defects (chipped playfields); customers offered washers and touch-up clear coat rather than playfield replacement, with playfield replacement only available 'at cost if we have extra'

    high · Ron: 'You have a chipping play field right out of the box? Yeah, we'll send you some washers, maybe some clear...Their customer support sucks. Plain and simple'

  • ?

    business_signal: Jersey Jack reported $30M+ in pre-order revenue on Toy Story in single day; sold out 1,000 CE units in 7 minutes; commercial success despite marketing failures and community criticism indicates strong brand loyalty and IP power of Disney Pixar license

    high · Ron: 'According to Jersey Jack himself, Jack Guarneri, they made over $30 million already off this game...The CE was gone by 12.07. So seven minutes, they sold all 1,000 supposedly'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Pinside forum community reception to Toy Story reveal described as negative/hateful; hosts note community tendency to criticize all new releases ('They're like you, Bruce. They just hate everything') but video content swayed perception more positively

    medium · Ron: 'Pinside hated it because they hate everything. They're like you, Bruce. They just hate everything...And then you saw the Straight Down the Middle video, and then it was just like, oh, maybe I need to play this game'

  • ?

    leak_detection: Toy Story reveal video and promotional images leaked from Jersey Jack's server 2+ hours before scheduled 10 PM reveal; community IT-savvy enthusiasts discovered and shared content on Facebook

    high · Ron: 'Someone kind of hacked their site. Not really. They just found where they had the reveal video and the pictures. And so that got posted, and then that was on Facebook'

Transcript

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0:00
Okay now, we're going to use these mirrors to observe our lips and teeth and tongue during speech. Butt munch.
0:09
Dill weed. Ass wipe. Butt hole. Ass munch. Butthead, this might be a good time to work on your ass. Uh, I didn't know my ass needed any work.
0:30
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, a show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett. You're with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. To infinity and beyond! Yes, yes. Toy Story is out to the surprise of no one. No one. This is episode 188. Holy crapola. Have we ever gotten a response from some old guy with gray hair? No, Gary has not responded to us. What the fuck, Gary? You don't want to talk about old Stern?
1:09
I know. That's very disappointing. Most of our fans are fans of old Stern. But we're not alone, Bruce. We have a guest. Who do we have, Bruce? We have our West Coast representative today. He came and gave us a couple of snippets from our emails, and now he's coming on for the first time. His name is Chris Davis. He is from Washington State. How are you doing, Chris? Hey, pretty good. Thanks for having me. Okay, you get the number one question everyone loves on this freaking show. What is a snippet of an email? That line you just said, what the hell did that mean? How did you get into pinball? Okay. So when I was a kid, my dad had a ham radio set up, and his buddy had some pinball machines, and they traded. And so I had a Williams Zodiac pinball in the house.
2:05
content_creator
Dwight Sullivanperson
Rochester Pinball Collective (RPC)organization
Jack Guarneriperson
Toy Story Pinballgame
Guns N' Roses Pinballgame
Willy Wonka Pinballgame
Fathom Pinballgame
Northwest Pinball Showevent
Keith Elwinperson
Eric Menierperson
Steve Ritchieperson
Tim Allenperson
Joe Katzperson
Zachperson
  • $

    market_signal: Official Toy Story reveal received poor reception and called 'lackluster' compared to previous Guns N' Roses reveal; YouTube creator Zach Minney's 'Straight Down the Middle' videos more effective at driving interest and positive perception than official JJP marketing

    high · Ron: 'Whatever Jersey Jack is paying Zach Minney for his Straight Down the Middle videos they should double it because everyone saw the initial video and hated it.' Bruce: 'The reveal was very...lackluster for sure'

  • ?

    community_signal: Slam Tilt Podcast credited with facilitating career advancement for pinball community members: Crystal Gemnick progressed from 'quiet repair girl from Logan Arcade' to Marco Specialties employee to current role at Jersey Jack Pinball; hosts attribute her success to podcast exposure

    medium · Ron: 'Crystal Gemnick, who's in our cluster of us. She works at Jersey Jack now...She moved back to Chicago...Originally she was just a quiet repair girl from Logan Arcade. We got her on, and boom she went to Marco and now to JJP'

  • $

    market_signal: Hosts and guest express skepticism about JJP's pricing sustainability; $12,500-$15,000 game prices with weak value proposition vs. competitor features; concern that games are now priced for homeowners rather than operators despite JJP marketing to operators

    high · Ron: "For $12,500, I better get Woody coming to my fucking house...We're making our games for the operator. No, you're not. You're making for the homeowner. This is high-end shit for the homeowner."

  • ?

    product_strategy: Jersey Jack implementing three-tier pricing model for Toy Story: CE ($12,500), LE (presumably $12,500 or $15,000), Premium ($15,000); significant $2,000 increase from previous Guns N' Roses pricing ($9,500-$10,500); Standard tier eliminated

    high · Ron: '$12,500 and $15,000. What was Guns N' Roses? That was like 95...8,500 was the price...So now we went up $2,000 per model. At least they dropped the whole standard thing'

  • ?

    product_concern: Jersey Jack's Toy Story features durability concerns: jump ramp lands on clear plastic tablet screen with no protective edge guard; hosts predict this will be 'first thing broken'; playfield protection strategy inconsistent (removed artwork around posts but no tablet protection)

    high · Bruce: 'The first thing people are going to be talking about is that the jump ramp lands on the clear plastic. And I'm sure that clear plastic is going to be the first thing broken when people aren't hitting the ramp just right'

  • ?

    supply_chain_signal: Hosts predict Toy Story will experience same problematic supply chain issues as Guns N' Roses: initial high preorder quantities followed by irregular trickle of shipments, leading to customer frustration and order cancellations by end of production run

    medium · Ron: 'It's going to be a dribble show...Games are going to come out in 12, 10, 5 a week, and people are going to jump off their ads...Towards the end of Guns N' Roses, it was dead. Nobody wanted Guns N' Roses'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Toy Story uses tablet screen (described as 'rehash' of previous JJP tablet integration); hosts question play value and differentiation; unclear if tablet provides meaningful gameplay vs. cosmetic feature only; concern about durability in operator/location context

    medium · Bruce: 'The screen isn't exciting? That's new. What, the tablet? I have a tablet in my game now. Great...It's just a rehash...I can play Candy Crush on that thing when I'm bored'

    • Then, you know, just having that in the house, kind of when I got older and had a place big enough to have a pinball machine, then I decided to go and buy one, and that turned into many more. That pinball machine was a silver ball mania.
    2:20
    Ron's favorite. Yeah. Nice and cheap and, yeah, and then it just grew from there. And to the Starcade that it is now. And I'm obsessed. I listen to all the podcasts, just streams. I don't know. I just soak it all in. I love it. How many games do you have right now? I've got six in the Starcade and one in the garage that is getting sold this weekend. And then I got a Euros one inside the house, a little cocktail cabinet. Those suck, don't they? Yes. Of course it doesn't work.
    3:00
    Yeah, we're dealing with the same thing with, what's the one we have, Ron? Sharpshooter? Not sharpshooter, a Star Shooter. Yeah, from Allied Leisure. Yeah, this one's from Allied Leisure, too. The last one, I think, they made.
    3:17
    Is the board out? Oh, no. Zach's got the board mostly working now. He had to go through all the sockets just to get it working. But once in a while, it won't boot fully, and it locks up coils. And if you don't notice it, it kills the coils. But it doesn't kill the transistor or the fuse.
    3:35
    Yeah, weird. Yeah, mine won't boot up. That's what the problem is. Yeah, they kind of suck. power supply, go from the basics power supply to get power to the board. We also noticed those connectors on the CPU boards are all corroded usually. Yeah, those three. These look good. I was getting power. The guy thought it was a power supply problem, but it's a project for later. Oh, it's a big project.
    4:04
    Well, Chris actually emailed us to be on the show. Let's see what we said. If anyone wants to be on the show, this could be you. This can happen, folks.
    4:14
    Yeah, I didn't know, you know, if you were talking to people like me. Nope. We're pretty open, pretty easygoing, I think. I'm a douchebag, but I'm not that big of a douchebag. That's true.
    4:27
    That's who I love. Brian C. was just a guest. I mean, he didn't have a podcast or anything that he was on. He's just some dude from Australia. Yeah. We made him world famous. Yeah, we made him world famous.
    4:38
    So we got somebody else another gig run. Did you know that? We did? We did. Crystal. Yes, Crystal Gemnick, who's in our cluster of us. She works at Jersey Jack now. I know. Congratulations, Crystal. Oh, really? She's not in Marco anymore, huh? No. She moved back to Chicago.
    5:01
    She missed it. She missed the cold, I think. That's what it was. Well, she is Canadian. So it might have been too warm. It might have been too warm for her. Yep. Yep, it's closer to get that real maple syrup up in Chicago instead of South Carolina, so she had to get closer to have some real maple syrup, eh? I always enjoyed going through her at Marco. Oh, yeah, no, she's awesome. And the handwritten letters with stickers and stuff. Yep, she is awesome. I will miss her down there, but we still have Kyle down there and a couple other friends with a moto. But, Crystal, you will be missed at Marco, but I'm hoping for great things for you at JJP. and another job we got for our friends. Yes, we did this completely. We did this completely. It's the slam-tilt influence. Her exposure. No, originally she was just a quiet repair girl from Logan Arcade. We got her on, and boom, she went to Marco and now to JJP, and we are the key. So Crystal, Steve Bowden, Tim Sexton. Yep. Raymond. Raymond was on before. She's just everyone that was on. Okay, Raymond. Oh, Colin was on. Colin McAlpin. So do we give him a job too? Okay. Colin would love a job, I think. He actually does advise for one of the companies. Yes. That's what I meant. Yeah. So we're good. Yeah, Raymond's from up here. He's the local boy. Yes, he is. We see Raymond once in a while, probably getting ready for his new game. He's got a new game coming up? Well, everyone has their own way of games, as I'm saying. So they still work on the stuff, you know, while they're getting ready. What do you think the new game will be? I've heard a rumor. I'm hoping it's true. What's your rumor?
    6:42
    Well, I heard the rumor. I heard a rumor that Jack Danger's first title, and I think everybody might have heard this if they listen to Kaneda, which I don't listen to him myself, but my buddy swears by him. But he says, He-Man, Masters of the Universe. And if that's the case, I'm in. I'm a buyer. Really? He-Man, Masters of the Universe. Is that a thing? I haven't heard it too much on podcasts myself. I wouldn't.
    7:12
    It has to be the animated one, I would assume. Yeah, of course, yeah. It's not going to be like Dolph Lundgren or whatever. Oh, I like Dolph Lundgren. No, no, no, no. No, but I mean. I mean, they just came out with a new one. Yeah, a new series. Season two is coming up soon. Where's my Beavis and Butthead? That's what I want. Hi, Jim. Yeah. Next week. Oh, where's that guy? Thursday. It will be airing. Yes. It actually already, they had a premiere. It was in a theater, you know, at Mike Judge and The Crew and all that. I still haven't seen any reviews or anything. So it's managed not to leak. So it debuts on Paramount Plus on Thursday, June 23rd. So, Ron, you bought Paramount Plus for the month, right? No. I've got it, man. I'm watching it. Me too. I got it. I'm watching it because I'm a Star Trek nut. I will be watching it probably on Sunday, maybe like a watch party or something. Yeah, you're talking about the – because you guys are going to a fun place this weekend, aren't you? Yeah, but before we get into that, let's talk about Chris's fun place he went to.
    8:22
    Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. You're talking about the Northwest Pinball Show? The Northwest Pinball Show. Yeah, I went Friday. I went day one, and there was, like I said, there was tons of machines. I think more machines than they've had in the past. That was the bonus. Not a whole lot of vendors, but I did manage to buy some stuff from the vendors that were there. Godzilla shooter knob, which, I don't know, maybe a little overpriced for what it is. My buddy bought the Avengers shooter knob. His light's up. Mine does nothing. You get nothing, sir.
    9:00
    It's hand-painted. But, yeah, it was a good time. I got to meet up with Dwight Sullivan. He was there. He was about ready to go play a game with his son. And I went up and said hi, and he asked if I wanted to play with him. So I did. It was some Black Knight 2000. And I beat him. I beat both of them. Good job. It was a good time. Did you wear sunglasses while talking to him? I didn't, no. Flashers are us Yeah Did you tell him you were Bruce Nightingale So he said fuck off Yeah Fuck off asshole No I think he wanted some revenge He came up to me later Recognized me again And asked me for another game And he did beat me At a game of X-Men But then For a tiebreaker game We played some high speed And I really pounced on him there Nice Would have been better If you beat him in getaway Yeah would have been the game you worked on. And then the bug would pop up and say, Steve, here. Oh, that would be funny. Oh, that'd be great. I can't get out of jackpot. Or get a super jackpot and say, what a great super jackpot animation. Man. I wish we'd use this again. Oh, you have. No, I wish we would use it in every game he does. I'm completely serious. I am, too.
    10:22
    You got to play Fathom. Yes, I did. I got to play Fathom. They had it set up, and it was, I guess, the only Fathom in the United States at the time. The company that did the programming, I guess, they had their machine. And it was, man, just wait till you see it in person. It is sweet. All that shiny chrome. The LCD on the apron, just the whole game. It played like an old Valley. It played like Stern and Valley had a child. That's how it played. Really nice. The LEDs, the whole thing. The whole package is awesome. I didn't get too far in it. There was a lot of people wanting to play it, but certainly a looker. And, you know, everybody knows the game. It's a good game. Can you tap pass with it? That's what I want to know. Yes. Ooh, cool. Yeah. That's a good thing.
    11:22
    And would you ever get one if you had the chance, like a used one? Yes, I think I would. After playing it, I think I'm a little sad I didn't get in on one. I think a lot of people are going to feel that way. Yeah. It's pretty nice, every single detail. Was it running which code? Was it the new rule set, or was it the original?
    11:43
    Ooh, I don't know. Did it have the Fathom guy in it? Fathom. Attack divers. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it did. I guess it was the new one. That's the old one. That's the original code. Oh, that's the old one. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I don't think that dude's in the new one. No. Yeah, that's the one that was running. I'm looking forward to mine, and we're getting one at the RPC.
    12:05
    It's in Salt Lake yesterday, so it's got to make the trek across the country. So I think by next weekend, maybe Friday, we will have it at the RPC. What's the RPC, Bruce? That's the rectal pinball.
    12:22
    The rectal pinball controller. It's the latest board set from Stern. Yes, it is. We had Sam. Now you have the rectal pinball controller.
    12:32
    Instead of WPC, it's RPC, rectal pinball controller. It uses your ass to control the game. Wiggle to the left and wiggle to the right and go around.
    12:45
    Rochester Pinball Collective. It is in Rochester, New York, with 47 of your favorite pinball machines. and we've changed out some games this past week and moved some games around for Ron's pleasure. You mean after I was there? No, this is for your pleasure. You know why? Why? Rescue 911 is now on the outside wall. Oh, okay. And the reason why I did this and we did this is because Ron thinks the height of that humongous Gottlieb could be having issues with our rig. Right. And put whatever game you never care about streaming where Monopoly is, and you'll be all set. We should put a Rescue 911 there. There, yes, because no one wants to play that. We don't want to, we don't play that in tournaments, because there's the bug. There is a software bug in that thing. You can exploit it. But, yes, so we're moving stuff around. Say goodbye to Taxi. Taxi's no longer in the city. No!
    13:41
    It's in the back. It's in storage. But a couple of games are coming back out. High Hand is out also. Sorry, Josh. You have the other one. We do. We have Captain Card. Yeah. Bolly is back out also on the floor. Ah, nice. And Dipsy Doodle will be coming out soon. Fathom will be coming out soon. So a couple others are going to be leaving. Unless I can convince Zach to put out two more games. What do you think? What do you think the odds of that are? No, you can't convince him anything. Oh, God. He's like a fucking mule. He's stubborn. A mule? I like that. Yes, he's the mule. That should be his new name. The Gray Mule. The gray mule. I like that. You are the gray mule now. Well, speaking of RPC, we might as well just get into the anniversary. I think we talked about it last episode. I did not play well. No, you did not. I was very surprised. I sucked bad. Yes, we had a free tournament, but you could pay $20 to be in the side pot. And everyone was rooting for ABZ. Anybody but Zach. I made that up. Yes, he did. The Gray Mule had a lot of discouraging people. We screened the finals, and I was out in the first round in the finals. It was a tight match, but I did shit on the – we played OXL, and I got a zero on that. Fucking turd. Three house balls. Fucking turd. Ron was laughing the whole time watching it. Yes, I was. We were laughing on how he would just complain after every drain. Yep, because it's like, fuck it. I didn't even get a flipper on the back. Yeah, completely the game's fault. I could have tilted that thing in rage easily.
    15:27
    Sounds like Brett a pinball. At least you didn't get a ball on the flipper and maybe do something. If you hit something else, okay, yeah. I didn't get three out of five balls. Didn't even touch. Oh, I'm sorry. So I was out on that. And who won, Ron? Fucking Zach won again. He did. He barely won. He still won. I know. So people have to start coming up to the RPC during our tournament time and... Beat this guy. Beat him. You can't have one of the owners winning. You can't have that. He is almost 100 in the world. Ah, whatever. Yeah, it sounds like my place at the Starcade. I actually have not won a single tournament that I've had here. This one guy, my buddy Kenny, he seems to win them all. He's undefeated in my arcade. Yikes, now you need to sweep the leg When he's playing, just sweep the leg And then that'll be done, he'll go down He might hit his head on your game, he might take some blood off the floor But guess what, you'll hit your hand So, what else do we have on the docket, Ron? We have a lot, I think We have a lot, let's get on to the stuff that we can't actually all talk about Toy Story Oh god, you mean No Good Gophers 2 I love it It is, except for there's no gophers. You have one gopher popping up instead of two now. Well, let's just say they almost got to the reveal without it being leaked. They almost made it. They were so close. They did. You saw pictures. They were so close. The first thing I just want to say, and this is a pet peeve of mine, I think it was a reveal Tuesday?
    17:10
    Yes. So Monday they had an announcement that it's going to be revealed at 12 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. But nowhere to go. Nowhere to go. Hold on. Did you get the incorrect part of that statement?
    17:25
    Did Chris get the incorrect part? Eastern Standard Time. Yes. Eastern Standard Time. Yes. It's not fucking Eastern Standard Time. We're at EDT right now. They fuck this up all the time. Just say ET. Eastern Standard Time. You will always be right. You will never be wrong if you just do that. It is a pet peeve of mine. I mean, if you're doing Eastern Standard Time, technically I would tune in an hour off from when I was supposed to tune in, if I was actually following what you said. Mm-hmm. I had one in my queue. I had an LE in my queue, and then I said no when I saw the pictures and everything. What? You actually had? No. Yes. Kathy said no way. Okay. My wife, wait a second. Me and my wife both have Toy Story tattoos. Oh. Oh, okay. We both said, nope, it doesn't, honestly, the pricing is nutty. Oh, well, let's say, okay, so. We guessed beforehand. We had guessed this beforehand. And who was the closest, Mr. Ron? I nailed the LE at a CE price. It was supposed to be revealed at 10 p.m. Eastern on Tuesday. Someone kind of hacked their site. Not really. They just found where they had the reveal video and the pictures. And so that got posted, and then that was on Facebook. so everyone could see the promo video and everything. I just don't understand how – and it's not the first time that kind of stuff happens. Just don't fucking put it on your server until right beforehand. Yeah, five minutes. Yeah, like maybe five minutes, upload it before. Then if somebody – who cares then? It doesn't matter. Don't put the thing on there and let it sit there. You're like inviting – you're inviting – and a lot of these pinheads are IT people, and they're going to find this shit. I don't understand that. I don't get it. But it was unveiled, and if you wanted to compare it to the Guns N' Roses unveiling, it definitely seemed like a step down. Oh, it was a lackluster. It was lackluster for sure. Yeah. I didn't get it. It just, the reveal was very... They should have followed their original plans. You know, they had the plan all laid out. hey, we did Guns N' Roses, we did it this way, it worked great. And no, let's not do that. Let's just do this, this, and this, and release the videos later, later on. And you couldn't even access the videos for the first 15, 20 minutes on the website. What would you have preferred they do? Have, like, explosions and stuff? Yeah, Josh, you're rock and roll! Guess what? If you're putting this much money into the machine, I would have had Tim Allen do a special video right before. Oh, did you? He did the voices. No, because he did the voices. He didn't spend call-outs or anything. You have him do a video. Hey, guys. No, you can't use my likeness. Sorry. Well, he doesn't have to use his likeness. He'll use his voice. Just use his voice and put a picture of, like, Buzz Lightyear. Yeah, exactly. Hey, hi, this is Buzz Lightyear. Actually, that would have been cool if they actually had an animated Buzz Lightyear saying, oh, the newest game from Jersey Jack Pimple. You're right. That would have been pretty cool. That would have blown everyone's mind away. I agree. But they did nothing except for, here we go. We turned on the website at 12 o'clock. You can't see the video until 12.15 because the link didn't work because it was a bad link. It looked like a – oh, sorry. No, and they did have LEs and CEs for sale on the website, and they sold out by 12.07. The CE was gone by 12.07. So seven minutes, they sold all 1,000 supposedly. Yeah, for all our bitching, according to Jersey Jack himself, Jack Guarneri, they made over $30 million already off this game. Okay, so – So how can we say it was bad? It was a failure. It was complete success. They have a lot on the line, but the problem is going to be this. Again, with the same problem as Guns N' Roses, it's going to be a dribble show. I see them coming out everywhere, Bruce. They're coming out everywhere. In the beginning, you will, because guess what? You built up this inventory. Next month, you're going to have all these people saying, I ordered it a month ago. I haven't seen anything. I haven't heard anything. And then Jackson will be like, keep unplugging this thing. Let's get more sales. And you know what's going to happen? Games are going to come out in 12, 10, 5 a week, and they're going to be going, and people are going to jump off their ads. Think about it. Towards the end of Guns N' Roses, it was dead. Nobody wanted Guns N' Roses. The reason why they switched over to why they built so many Toy Stories right now because people weren't getting their, you know, Guns N' Roses or they dropped their orders at the end.
    21:56
    Mm. At least, if you go by when Willy Wonka came out, that means Pat Waller was working on this for about three years. Yeah. And he did a great job at No Good Gophers, too. Oh.
    22:10
    It is. Yeah, No Good Gophers actually has a jump ramp, too, right? Yes, it has a jump ramp. Slam ramp. This is without the slam. I think this is more like GoldenEye, honestly. Yes. It's even in the same spot. It is. Yeah, that's, yeah, middle right. That's, I think, where it is on, yeah. A little further back, but yes it is. You get one gopher instead of two with the girl. That was weird. It's like, okay, you have the thing you hit, but it's a little girl. That's kind of mean. I mean, I haven't seen the movie. You've obviously seen the movie. Is she like this annoying character in the movie you want to get hit? She's evil in the beginning, and then she finally realizes, like, you know, hey, I can go home with another girl. I don't want to ruin the movie for anybody, but I think if you haven't seen Toy Story 4 by now, guess what? You're an idiot. Oh, hi, Ron. I haven't seen any of them. Yeah, so. But, yeah, so she realizes that she can go home with the main character's girl, and now she's loved again because all these toys who are not loved are mean and bitter. So she's the main antagonist, and you're hitting her. Okay, I guess that makes more sense now. The rules are pretty easy so far because our own Raymond Davidson got to play it this week and got to the wizard mode. At least he has a wizard mode. I'll give him that. Yes, it looks like it's complete. See, you guys, I love the Lawler designs. I think it's going to shoot great. I can't wait to shoot it. Oh, it's going to shoot great. I totally agree. I actually think Wonka shoots great. I think the rules are terrible, and the animatronics are terrible in that game.
    23:45
    What don't you like about the game? We'll get to the negatives, and then we'll get to the positives here.
    23:50
    It's a rehash. Nothing exciting. Like, wait, no, here we go. The screen isn't exciting? That's new. What, the tablet? I have a tablet in my game now. Great. The good thing about the tablet is, you know, with updates, you know, there's a lot that can be done with the tablet as the game grows or, you know, add-ons. I can play Candy Crush on that thing when I'm bored, you know.
    24:16
    But, no, it's just a rehash. Like, you look at Keith's games and you look at some of the new designers, like, what's his name for Jersey Jack? The guy who did design it. Steve Ritchie.
    24:30
    We're not seeing the game for another eight years. Eric Menier. Eric. Yes. Eric tries different stuff, and maybe it doesn't work all the time, but maybe it does, but Keith does, and it's a really different layout, and you see still, people want their Godzilla. Right, Ron?
    24:48
    Where's my Godzilla? Where's my fucking Godzilla? You still don't have it? No, he doesn't. Zach, where's my Godzilla? You said I was getting it this year. What's going on? Come on. Where's my Godzilla, damn it? It's only half done this year. Oh, I played, at our Zach's, I played his Godzilla, which, of course, plays harder than any Godzilla I've ever played, and I was just like, oh, man, I want my fucking Godzilla. I love my Godzilla. I know. Godzilla rocks. I've had my premium. I feel like I've had it for almost a year. Nice. I was first run. Oh. All right, good for you, Chris. Excellent. Good job. Happy for you. He's making a few dollars of you right now, Chris, stabbing you.
    25:32
    I'll say the video, was that the most excited reaction you ever saw for Super Jackpot? Oh, yes. They hugged each other and let their peepers off the bottom of their thing.
    25:43
    Yeah that whole reveal video it seemed like actually a commercial for Disneyland It did It did It felt like a commercial I say whatever Jersey Jack is paying Zach Minney for his Straight Down the Middle videos they should double it because everyone saw the initial video and of course Pinside hated it because they hate everything. They're like you, Bruce. They just hate everything. Woo-hoo! And then you saw the Straight Down the Middle video, and then it was just like, oh, maybe I need to play this game. Oh, well, look at the video mode thing it does. It's got the big screen that you were bashing. You actually play this video mode where you play the game, and then the actual physical game reacts as you're playing the video. That looked pretty damn cool. I know it's going to shoot great because it's Waller. It's going to shoot great. I agree with that. The jump ramp thing looked pretty cool to me. I can't wait to play it. I mean, the artwork, let's do the – the artwork is exactly what you thought it would be. It's hands-drawn. It doesn't look as bad as Waka. Like, you must use this picture and paste it in the game. No, it looked like actual good art composition. So when are you coming, Ron? We complain about the voices. When's your turn? Don't interrupt me. So we complain about the voices. Like in Pirates, they just had that one, one of the lesser characters, they just had to do everything because they couldn't get any of the main stars. This one, you've got fucking Tim Allen. That's right. Totally agree. You basically got Tom Hanks' brother who sounds just like Tom Hanks, and Tom Hanks doesn't do voiceovers anyway. So as far as I'm concerned, it's basically you've got Tom Hanks. You've got Annie Potts, I guess, who's the character in the movie. I remember her from Ghostbusters more than anything. But they got actual people in the movie. They got the music from the movie. The art looks good. I mean, they obviously got the license there was more cooperative, I would say, in this one. Disney, yeah, Disney Pixar, yes. I mean, Pat Lawler asked him, is there any one of your characters we can hit with the ball? and that's how they came up with what's her face? I forget her name but that's the main Gabby that's how they came up with you hit Gabby I mean they put a ton of work into that so you have it ordered right? no I gotta play it first which I will be able to do at Fintastic which you said it wouldn't be there you were wrong again so you'll be able to play it with bad flippers because any game at Jersey Jack on a location is going to be fucking you're going to hit that rampage and go nah yeah when I was watching while they had not only the promo video they had the straight down the middle video and then they actually did a Joe Katz he did a playthrough like a quick playthrough of the game which I thought was nice and I'm watching it and I'm there like Epps they've got the 20 vault slings they're so weak But the flippers look strong, at least on his cop, because they're probably cracked up. Yeah. You know what's going to be the first thing people are going to be talking about is that the jump ramp lands on the clear plastic. And I'm sure that clear plastic is going to be the first thing broken when people aren't hitting the ramp just right. It's going to crack and break. I think they need some type of metal or some type of thing on the edge to protect it. Is there like a divider or something that would prevent the ball from deflecting off and hitting the screen thing, the tablet? I don't know, but we'll find out.
    29:14
    I would assume they tested that a lot. Because when I saw, wait a minute, the ball is going airborne and you have a tablet on the play field. No, no, no, this could be easy. Because guess what? You just used the excuse of, hey, we don't protect play fields. Why the fuck do you think we're going to protect the fucking tablet?
    29:31
    Well, they changed the printing on their play fields now. Yes, they did. They're doing around the post. There's no art now. Yep. So there you go. Then they had, if you look at one of the left-hand swing on the bottom, had a clear plastic already there underneath the post. The watchers. Yeah, they got the watchers already in place under the post. Yep, they're ready. They're ready for them to crack and break.
    29:53
    See you, Jim. Ah, Bruce, you just don't give anyone a chance. A chance? The prices, though, are insane. Well, we should talk about. They're fucking, he's like, for $12,500, I better get Woody coming to my fucking house going, I thought it was just 12K. Is it 12,500? 12,500. Oh, I'm sorry. 12,500 and 15,000. What was Guns N' Roses?
    30:15
    That was like 95. I mean, 8,500 was the price. I thought it was 95. It was 9,500 for the medium. And then it went to 10,500 when they realized they left money on the table. So now we went up $2,000 per model. At least they dropped the whole standard thing because no one bought those. A couple people did, but not me. Yeah, but yeah. They dropped them quickly. They can't be, you know, we're making our games for the operator. No, you're not. You're making for the homeowner. This is high-end shit for the homeowner. Yeah. The ones who bought it wish they didn't. The standard. Yeah. So, Ron, are you in or out? $12,500 for the regular one. I know they call it the LE, but let's face it, they have what? Probably the highest selling game they ever did in Guns N' Roses, and that didn't get to $5,000. Nothing's getting to $5,000. That's basically their premium. Yes. Or the regular model. The CE is the LE. The CE is the LE, and they made double the number. Yeah, double the number, and they sold them all out. And they sold out. Yep. They made $30 million. Complete success on their part. Until they have to replace play fields and tablets and everything else. They don't replace play fields. I thought you said that. No, but they'll have complaints. And honestly, that's the one reason why I did not even really want to buy this game. Their customer support sucks.
    31:36
    Plain and simple. Okay. You have a chipping play field right out of the box. Yeah, we'll send you some washers, maybe some, you know, some little touch of clear. And if you want to buy a play field, you can buy it to us at cost if we have extra.
    31:51
    What? Yeah. That's like me getting a brand new car, and it's got a ding in the fender. Hey, guess what? You know, you signed the paperwork and everything like that. This thing we just saw, we're not going to do anything about that. Deal with it, and I'll buy you a fender later on, and I'm paid it, and here you go. Well, in that case, you actually have the opportunity to look at it ahead of time, though. Exactly. Yeah. Thank you. Their quality control literally sucks right now. I would not buy a Jersey Jack. I've already talked about this in the past. So the only game I will buy new, and there's two companies right now, Haggis and CERN. We all know my feelings about Spooky. Not HomePen? You wouldn't buy a HomePen machine? Well, I've seen one HomePen, and it was... It could have been built great. We know the game sucked, but, you know. Yes, the game really did suck. Less than stellar. Yeah.
    32:48
    I just got a text that said, it's from Bruce. It says, I am on CERN. Yeah, boy, your phone service there is great. Wow.
    32:57
    Kind of late on that one, ain't I? Yeah, that was 50 minutes ago. Wow. All right, but are we looking forward to playing the game? Come on. I am looking forward to playing the game. All right. I want to get some positive. He has to say a but. It wasn't just for. I wish it wasn't just for. I wish they were able to get some other pieces of the rights of video, like introducing characters. you're like, hey, look, you know, Buzz Lightyear from the original movie and that kind of stuff. You know, there's some great pieces. I'm surprised the upper right flipper is a mini flipper. Two-inch flipper. Yeah. When's the last time you've seen that? That's different. Yes, it is. It only has one shot. Maybe two. That's about it.
    33:41
    Well, it's a two-inch flipper, Bruce. What do you want? On these games, you've got a lot of games. Oh, Jesus Christ. Hey, baby. Yeah, Godzilla's got a lot of shots. Yeah, thank you, thank you. Maybe because you made it, Ron, you don't get to play Godzilla as much, you know, so. Fuck you.
    33:58
    Ron says, let's see, the mini loop, the side ramp, the scoop. The scoop? Hey, I got three shots. I've already won above, or maybe even two, really, above Toy Story 4. Great, excellent. You just reminded me of my point. Thank you. I love when you do that. I love you, Pat Lawler. Don't listen to them. You're still awesome. The only person that still supports Dialed In.
    34:23
    I love Dialed In. You know who doesn't love Dialed In? Keith Elwin. He hates Dialed In. This has been confirmed. We talked about the great concession last week. Mm-hmm. Yep. And I guess that was one of the factors is that he just doesn't really like the game and doesn't know the game. That was another reason he quit. That's unfortunate. Do you blame him? Blame him for not liking Dialed In? Am I the only person who likes Dialed In? You and, no, Raymond does. Yeah, but even he doesn't like it as much now. See? Zach has poisoned him. I love it. Go, Zach. Was it Dialed In that he didn't like, or was it the nine hours that he played the same person? It was four hours, but yeah, yeah. I do like, Esther was on a stream. I can't remember what stream, but they were talking about it. And the guy that was on the stream with him was like, it wasn't as if Keith gave up or something. No, no, no, he totally gave up. Because he did. He did. Yeah. Hey, that's his choice. I just couldn't believe how just completely accepted it was, how very few of – I'm on some discords with top players and stuff. and how many of them were like, oh, yeah, not a big deal. Like, really? This is like the world championship. I could play fucking $6 million man in the final, and I am going to play it. Yeah. You know, I don't get it. The whole concept. And then the one that irked me more than the whole concession thing was people arguing that his concession was the same as Escher's later concession?
    36:12
    For those who don't know, when Escher was playing Eric Stone, he was getting Eric's 14 million on fucking F14. So Escher just went up and turned the game off and said, let's go to Black Rose. A game he was undefeated on, which he won. And that was his only victory of the series. But that I could totally see it from a strategic standpoint. Yeah. Yeah, strategic. Strategically, like, okay, it's going to take too long to come back. Let's go. I'm going to pick the next game. Let's get going. Flip frenzies, you concede all the time. It's like, it's going to take too long. I need to get more games in. I concede. But you're in the deciding game of a match. Game nine. You lose, you go home. I can't see any situation where I would ever give up, concede, ever.
    37:01
    I mean, I guess I'm not a good enough player, I guess, to do that. I don't get it. But I'm in the minority. No, I kind of agree with you, too. No, but yeah, but not amongst the better players. I love all the other, they're trying to make all these other, it's like someone throwing the towel in and boxing. No, it isn't. So a guy's getting shit beat out of him and his corner throws the towel in. That's the equivalent of playing a pinball. That's just conceding a putt in golf.
    37:34
    Yeah. Yeah, I don't – number one, golf's not a sport either. But we won't get into the whole – pinball's not a sport, folks. Just telling you. When it's on ESPN main, then I'll believe it. Well, it's very simple. Very simple, Bruce. When you have a game where the people playing it and the people officiating it are the same, it ain't a sport. It ain't a sport. Period.
    37:59
    Okay, and I know curling keeps coming up a lot for whatever reason. And now I'm not a curling expert. But they're not judging themselves. In Olympic curling, is the judges the same? Are they like players that will play in another round and they're just judging that round? Or are they actual officials that that's all they do is a refereeing curling? Someone will have to let me know that one. Maybe. I got the idea. I got the perfect idea. What? Josh needs to increase the value of the IFP dollar to $2. And then the $1 goes to whoever's fishing the game that doesn't play in it. You're paying them not to play. So you have to pay people not to play. Yes. Okay. There you go. Well, let's just, okay. Are we all aware of the situation in that match? Ninth game, dialed in. Yep. Last season. Okay.
    38:51
    I'll ask each of you. Would you have conceded? No. I might not have conceded. Yeah, I would not have conceded. Now, me, I have to say, no, I own dialed in. I'd be like, you know, it was a hard playing dial then, and it's going to be extremely difficult to come back from that, but it's possible. Yes, it is. Anything's possible. You know, $14 million on that $14 million, I'm not going to say no. I kind of said no watching that, yeah. I think people spend four hours watching those two great players go at it to concede the game. You know, that was the final round, right? Yeah, that was a semi-final. quarterfinals? That's a quarterfinal. The thing is, I came from a perspective, you're streaming it. A prerequisite, I believe, of the World Championships is you have to have streaming.
    39:43
    You have to stream it. Obviously, he wants it streamed. He wants it out there. Say I have my buddy, Chris, this is not you, Chris, another Chris. I have a non-Pinhead friend, Chris, who I go to Indus with every year. Somehow I got him to watch this thing. And I'm there like, this is Keith Elwin. He's the greatest of all time. He is like the Michael Jordan of pinball. And this is Escher. He's the upstart. He's the next. He's the guy that Elwin has said himself that is his heir apparent. And, yeah, he's number one now. And they're going at it. So he watches this four-hour thing and somehow actually gets into it. Like it doesn't bore him. Yeah, and it gets down to the ninth game like, holy shit, it's coming down to the last ball, and Keith just goes up and plunges. What do you think his reaction is going to be? He's like, what the hell was that? That's like the Yankees going up to the ninth inning, bases loaded, and they walk the guy intentionally. They get the score to run, and they lose.
    40:46
    That's what I really like. It'd be like Tiger Woods, because people kept doing the golf analogies. it would be like Tiger needs to birdie the last hole, and he gets up, and maybe the wind picks up. Like the conditions got hard because it was a very hard playing dial dance. So the conditions just got really hard. Before he even tees off, it's just like, you know, I can't do it. It's just too good. It's going to be too hard to get that birdie. Just puts the club down, you win. Which, of course, in golf you would actually be DQ for not finishing. But I'm saying that's more the equivalent. I just can't. But everyone's bringing up how concession happens all the time and it's not a big deal. I listen to a bunch of podcasts. No one seems to have an issue. Or differentiate between, you know, you're conceding the match. You are eliminated as opposed to strategically conceding matches to, like, continue.
    41:41
    I'm in the minority, I guess. So I will drop it. It's like watching the entire series of Lost only to find out at the end that they were just dead the whole time Spoilers Guess what Ron's never seen Lost I've never seen Lost He never sees anything Exactly, thank you, now you know what I have to go through That's J.J. Abrams too and he's the Antichrist at this point so I could not watch this shit, sorry He managed to ruin two franchises Star Trek and Star Wars Good job, JJ. You are the man. You are a legend.
    42:19
    Speaking of failure, the 24 hours at the Sanctum, I think we mentioned they're doing a lotto, a lottery to get in. It was actually, it was not a lottery. It was random.org. Whatever. Basically, 200 people want to get 100 spots. Yes. Me and Bruce entered. You know, Bruce, who retired from tournament play but yet has played in multiple tournaments, entered in this one. And our Zach, who last time he played in it said it didn't interest him and he wouldn't play in it anymore, he entered in, of course, because no one sticks to anything they said. He gets in. He was in the top one of the first ten people picked. I think he was ninth. And then I was picked 150th. Bruce, you're like 120th. 122. So I'm 22 behind now. Yeah, I'm 50. 50 people have to bow out for me to get in. So I have zero chance. Yeah. Bruce probably doesn't have much of a chance. But more of a chance than me. I might just sit there and maybe get that last spot, you know? Yeah. So, boo. Yeah. But what are you going to do? They can't fit any more people in there, so. No, no, no. It's tight with 100. You've got to do what you've got to do. A lot of good players were left out. Oh, yeah. Including former champions. Oh, and there was complaints that because it's a circuit event, that maybe the top players should have some kind of exemption and be able to get in. Because I've heard that argument. This, of course, came from a higher-ranked player. Of course it is. Who was complaining. I thought for sure we were still going to have some top players. When I heard the lottery thing, I was like, okay, lottery. But for sure they're still going to have these specific people be there. Nope, they made it across the board, which I liked better. Well, they made it. So if you won it the previous year, you're in. Yes. So I don't know, are they doing 101 players or 100? It was 100, so 99. So actually, if you were the 100th person picked, if everyone shows up, you're not getting in. Yep. Because they had Jerry Bernard as going in, and then they started at one. Yes. So, you know, do the math. That's 101.
    44:28
    But the chances that everyone will show up are zero. So if you picked 100, you're getting in. Yep. So, yeah, people complain, oh, I didn't get an exemption. It's unusual. Guess what? It's actually the most. Bowen Caron, multiple-time winner. He's not in. Nope. It's the fairest way to do it. And it brought some new people in who never got a chance to play. Yeah, that's cool. When do they start a 24-hour event? It starts at 10 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, it goes to, what, 9 a.m. because the clock goes back or whatever. They do it the weekend that the clock goes back. Yeah. Balls back. Yep.
    45:08
    And then he could be like Bruce. He can play in it and then drive to Rochester right afterwards and then do your shit. And then work.
    45:15
    So, Ron, we didn't even talk about this yet, but this is another piece of news, which is not even on our thing, I forgot about.
    45:23
    Insider-connected leaderboards. That I can't get to work. I know. I've heard. So explain, Bruce, what's that all about? So you can actually, there's a national leaderboard, so you can see who the best player is. If it's a confirmed location, place, you can see them. Best player at what? At a game. At a game that is hooked up. If you're registered to, yeah, if you're like a location, and I forget the actual term too, but like here in my place. Verified. Yeah, verified. I'm unverified because I can take my glass off, you know. Yes. So a verified location, you can actually see people from other verified locations go against each other and get their scores. And if you're a verified location, you can actually have your own leaderboard if you have your games hooked up on the Insight Connector. Connected. So a couple of new things. Still waiting for the paywall to come up. Oh, what, you have to pay for it? Oh, I'm waiting for this. You sound like you want it to happen so you can just pitch. Yes, because it's going to happen. Because the people they have been hiring from CERN have that background. You mean their president?
    46:38
    And other people. I don't know who you're talking about. You got to pay them somehow. I agree. But pinball people don't like to pay. Well, maybe now they do. But it seems like, you know, I guess they're thinking, hey, I can sell this hopper for $800. And people just gobble it all up. if I charge them $12 or $15 or $19.99 a month, they'll just do it also. Pinball is not that popular. I don't think pinball people who are paying fucking $10,000 for a game want to pay more. Exactly. Yeah. It's not like it's a video game where... Yeah, you buy power up. Oh, I get an extra ball if I pay a dollar extra. That already happens on locations. You can add a ball or you can pay if you wanted to. I mean, paywall is already there, isn't it? I mean, I pay $39.99 to be a Stern Insider, and then that gives me the extra perks of the Insider Connected. Yes. I think my $39.99 should already include use of these leaderboards. But it doesn't. No, I can't even find it on my app. I don't know where to go to. Yeah, because you're not verified. Only comes up for verified people. Which one would stop someone at a verified location from just taking a glass off? Thank you. I think that the best you could do is you could do something where you have to put the business's hours in. Of course, how would it not? And it can't be something crazy like if you said, oh, we're open 2 a.m. to whatever. We open at 8 a.m. and it's a bar or something. Like, oh, are you sure about that? So it only does scores during a certain time. Okay, but what if you have a private party during that time, you know, and then somebody gets a score? Oh, yeah, I didn't say it would work. I'm just saying other than actually having something that detects when the glass is off. Yes. Which I'm sure you'd be able to figure out a way to circumvent that and bypass it. You know, just take the glass out and push the sensor in. Yeah, I'm with you. Any owner of a place like that can, after hours, take the glass off and be the number one superstar on the leaderboards. 27 billion points on Godzilla. Who is this guy, man? Bruce Nightingale? I didn't think he was this good. Fuck yeah!
    48:49
    Bruce just gets a ridiculous score. It's not even 25 billion? How'd you do that, Bruce? I stayed for seven hours at the co-op. It was a hell of a game. Oh, yeah.
    49:01
    Did you see the top score on that? Godzilla, when Deadflip was airing it, the top score on Godzilla that was on the leaderboard was only $6 billion. Yeah, $6 billion. Yep. Raymond was third with $4 billion. The only way there would be a ridiculous score that I would believe is if it was Eric Stone. Yeah. Then I would believe it. I know. He just grinds and grinds and grinds. He would just play a game forever and not care. Even if I was that good, I think I would get bored at a certain point. Ooh, not when you're playing Godzilla. Just wait. Oh, yeah. Wait for it. No.
    49:39
    When I watch it on stream, I'm zoning out. I don't understand. The cities and do you stay in a city? Do you get out of the city? The power-ups are totally, they come up. Pick one option, one or the other. I have no fucking clue.
    49:53
    Yeah. You got to stay in the city. That's where the points are. Stay in the city. But sometimes it's not because if you had a bad beginning of it, it neuters the jackpot. So there is strategy there. Or if I want to fight more monsters, I got to move around. I got to go different cities.
    50:13
    It just depends on what you want to do. You want to go through the game or you want to play for points. I mean, so many options. What a great game. Yes. It's so great. Please forgive us, Keith Elwin, for anything about the tournament. We may have said. We love you. You're still the greatest. The new wizard modes they added, too. They're great. It's Terra Mechagodzilla. Yeah. You know the Avengers where it's the soul gem where you count flips? Mm-hmm. Terra Mechagodzilla is along those lines, but it goes through four stages of multi-balls. So the first one is only one ball, second one's two balls, and so on until you get to four. And then you go into an all-out jackpot kind of frenzy at the end. But the whole time, you're trying to do tasks, and it's counting down your flips. So it's kind of like the Avengers, but way better. Way better. And I did play the Monster Zero one. Oh, yeah. It's a good one, too. Yes, it is. Just wait, Moran. Another five months, you'll be good.
    51:13
    Either you see the neon sign mod for Godzilla. Oh, yeah. I got my name on the list. Yeah, me too. Oh, Jesus Christ. Well, Bruce doesn't go to Pinstock. I don't go to Pinstock. I don't do mods. I don't know why I just happened to be on Pinstock that day. I got in the initial whatever, where he was saying it was just going to be like 25 of them. And then within five minutes, you had 50 people put their name. Well, I want one. So I was like, whoa, okay. It basically it a sign that has that above the scoop Except this one is way fucking cooler and it neon Way cooler Wait until it breaks Wait until you get an air ball off that and break it Then you'll be crying. Then I put the old sign back in. I don't care. It looks that cool. I want it. I need it. I've never air balled towards that sign. I don't know if it's possible.
    52:00
    Anything's possible in pinball. That's true. Look at all the stuck balls you get sometimes. You're like, how did this fucking get stuck here? popped up and jumped up and gross-keed. So you're on the initial list? You're on the... You're getting one for sure? The first list? The first whatever, yeah, before he cut off the first list. So, I mean, I haven't gotten any communication other than, you know, I was on the thread and said, I want one. Yeah, nice. Hopefully someone will be PMing me at Benside at some point. Yeah, I'm just a hopeful waiting. Ah. And then I have to find out, the guy who makes the lit speaker panels, the lit speakers. I got the Godzilla one, the Cityscape on fire. Me too. I got mine installed. You got yours installed. I ordered mine three months ago. Oh, it took a long time. And when you order it, the email says, do not bother me. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. His website is like, if you bother me about this, I'll just cancel your order and you won't get your PayPal fees back. It's like, who wrote this, Scott? This sounds like our Scott. That sounds like something he would say. But I'll tell you this, after three months, I did, no communication. And then I did email him saying, hey, I'm not trying to push you, but I was just, you know, seeing what was going on. And he did get back to me. And then, oddly, after I emailed him, I got it the next week. No soup for you. Two years.
    53:29
    So that's your thing is I should, like, email the guy right away. and see what's going to go on. I didn't mean to bother you at all, but, you know, it's been like three months. Just wondering. Yeah. Just wondering, where's my speakers, Brian? Where are they? I bought them now. They are cool. I do like them. Oh, yeah, they look cool as hell. I saw them on a stream. That's why it's like, oh, I've got to have that.
    53:49
    So, Chris, we have a little goal for you. We didn't give you any heads up on this one, so this is our shock you, shock you. Okay. Game you like, game you hate. It's shocking, too, the question that we ask all people on the show. I'm completely shocked. I am. I'm completely shocked on that one. I didn't prep for that question at all. No, never.
    54:12
    Games I love, right currently, has got to be Godzilla. But I'd have to say Bride of Pinball. I got one. I got a sweet one. And that is the game everybody goes to with the dollar bill bets. And I just like how that game Nobody It's nobody's game Anybody can win no matter what Because Drain is a Drain monster But when you really get it going It's just a great game And I also gotta say Nobody says this but Starship Troopers Underrated I really like that game Love Starship Troopers Did you know that I did ride the pin bot? I am like that And then Games I hate I don't know I know everybody loves Monster Bash But I kind of Always just pass it up I can't get into Monster Bash I don't know why It's a really good looking game It's Pretty flowy But it For some reason It just doesn't grab me I don't necessarily Hate it But And then Tron I don't understand Tron Everybody's up for Tron either I have to agree with you on that one. It's a one-flipper wonder. I like trying it.
    55:30
    You're wrong. It's a two-flipper wonder out of three. Wrong again. No. Our guest is always right, Ron. Our guest is always right. You've got to get used to this. I mean, if you like the quarter shot, you'll like it because it's in Turtles 2. You can use it there. Yep. It's the X-Men and a couple others also.
    55:51
    We love you, Borg. at least he takes the good components of the game and re-does them. He does. You know what I mean? It's not like he had something in the game that totally sucked. Oh, I'm going to use that again. Maybe I can make it not suck this time. No. It's just more of a greatest hits package. Yeah, last night I was blowing up my turtles. You know, I got like six million. Well, how do you blow up turtles? I don't understand the scoring.
    56:16
    Yeah. No, I think I played a game like it was 20 minutes long. I was like, man, I'm just really feeling this right now. Look up. It's like literally 16 mil. Dwight, what are you doing? What's going on? Is it just pizza toppings? Is that the key? Is it some kind of multiplier?
    56:33
    What's the deal? Yeah, definitely. Pizza toppings, when you're in your frenzies, your jackpots, I mean, the right pizza toppings can definitely set off a multi-ball. Jackpots, for sure. But so fast, tight. Oh, yeah. I like the way it shoots. I play that league, though. I get into the main multiball, play it forever, get jackpots up the ass, play four modes, finish all of them. Like, oh, I must be kicking ass. And the score sucks.
    57:01
    Yeah. Last night I got to the wizard mode. And if someone I'm playing, they're seemingly not doing much of anything, and their score jumps. They have one million. Now they have five million. Whoa, what happened? Whoa, what the fuck? What did they do? They got the frenzy, the pizza frenzy or whatever. during their multiple. It's a topping based. The scores are definitely multiplied when you get the right toppings. So it's all about the toppings. It's all about the toppings. So you have a Jurassic Park, a Godzilla Premium, Turtles, Starship Troopers, WrestleMania LE.
    57:37
    Yep, WrestleMania LE. I actually You won it in a tournament. No. You know, there was somebody trading a game the other day. They wanted to trade a Stranger Things pro, and he was open to offers. So I offered up my WrestleMania LE. He sent me a main of a couple wrestlers, and it said, you are garbage.
    58:01
    I was like, okay, nice response, but yeah, people don't like that game. I think it's kind of fun, but I hope I don't have too hard a time getting, selling it, you know. Well, you know, brother, I'm in the game, dude. I think he's in the game. He is in the main for the LE. Yes, yes. Yeah, isn't it? The LE has all the wrestlers you've actually heard of. Yeah. Yeah, it's a gaudy-looking game, this Gold Trim. I kind of like the way it looks in the lineup just because of that reason. Other than that, it's an okay game. You get up in that ring, and it's kind of obnoxious. What was the other game they used the Gold Trim on? Guardians. Yeah, because I remember when that came out, it's like, Oh, we know where all the excess Gold Trim went.
    58:45
    Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and also Bride of Pinbot. You left out Bride. I think I got maybe the nicest copy of Bride of Pinbot you might ever have seen. It was my personal one. He got it from me. I am Python.
    59:01
    Oh, man. Okay, what do we got here? Oh, Spinal Tap. There's pictures of Spinal Tap now, Bruce. Have you seen them? I have not, actually. I'm looking for them right now, and I haven't been able to find them too easily, so I have to go to Pinside, which I hate. No, no, you just go to Nap Arcade. Okay, let's go. Hi, Mr. Nap. He's the new source of all information. NAPRK.org, and just scroll around, you'll find it. I'm going there right now. I mean, it doesn't show the play field very well. I mean, it's just like partial. But they have a GND, and then they have the screen,
    59:34
    which I believe Mike from HomePen said he didn't even want the screen because he doesn't want to do that. But they did it so they could show clips from the movie. They're going to do another run of Total or Nuclear Annihilation? Jesus fucking Christ. Yeah, it was a popular game, Bruce. Yeah. That's pretty good. That's pretty cool.
    59:52
    Bruce is not amused. Not at all. Ooh, this is Spinal Tap. Looks a little barren. Yeah? From what I can see, yeah. This is Mike from Home Pin. Yeah, that's right. It's quite barren. You like our pin... Oh, God. What's the name of the lights again? You like our pin stadiums on the side? I do like the Marshall amp back box. Yeah. That's actually kind of cool. Yeah, that's what I just noticed. That might be what they spent the most money on. I think they did.
    60:25
    But did you hear it goes to 11? It goes to 11. That's what they're missing. They should have had an exterior volume knob that actually went to 11. Yeah.
    60:35
    Missed opportunity. Totally missed opportunity. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Okay. Pass. Pass. Oh, imagine if that was like your favorite team ever. That would suck. Our next game is going to be Beavis and Butthead. No!
    60:55
    That would suck. No, that's probably going to be Pinball Brothers. Or Spooky. I hope not Spooky. I mean, you need to have Mike Judge for the game, or I would not even consider buying it. Would not even consider it. Pinball Brothers we can talk about with their new... Yeah, Pinball Brothers has a parts store, so you can easily buy the stuff when it fails. And it will fail. Yep, it will fail.
    61:22
    Plastic set. The whole Alien plastic set is $263 euro, so about $280 right now. Okay. The egg is about $30 US.
    61:34
    The Facehugger Alien bracket is about probably $35, and all the other stuff. It's a great thing. that's actually nice. You can actually get spares. Yeah. It's a big perk. And I saw someone came up with a solution for the xenomorph head that never works right. Don't buy it. What do you mean don't buy it? Don't buy the game? Don't buy the game.
    61:55
    You know how the xenomorph has the two targets in front of it? Yes. He put the dampening foam that you usually put in a scoop or something to kill the ball. So it kills the ball so the magnet can actually grab it. I mean it looks terrible but it works it's a good looking game I like the back glass on the LE I agree totally but yeah if it was another manufacturer, if it was a US manufacturer of some like if American made it I would buy Alien I would buy that game I think it's that good I mean the only thing it doesn't have is Ripley That's literally all it doesn't have.
    62:40
    So, Ron, next week or two weeks from now, we should get a report from you how great Toy Story plays. Yeah, what, next week? Yeah.
    62:49
    Upcoming week. Well, I'll have this out, like, right before Pentastic. So, I'll be at Pentastic probably standing in line for however long it takes to play some Toy Stars. When Ron is at a location or anything else, come up to Ron. No. And what do you do? You say hello. Hello again. No, no, no. That's not what you do. That's wrong. That's what you do. I even hugged you last week. Hopefully they bring more than one. Like they have a row of them. Yeah, that would be not happening. Really? Too bad they couldn't do like a Marco thing where they had just like so many of them. Yeah.
    63:23
    All right. So Pinball Brothers Parts Store, I can check that out. We did mention the pricing, right, for Toaster? $12.5 for the L.E. No, it's $12. You were wrong. Thank you. 12 and 5. 12 and 15. 12K and 15K. Damn. I mean, when you look at Toy Story, the LE, does it look, let me calculate this, does it look like it's $3,000 more than Godzilla Premium, like, of game? No. Not at all. No? That's the thing I'm thinking of. Yeah, exactly. I think the retail for the Godzilla is, what, $8 something? $89. Yeah. Yeah, so they're saying it's $3,000 better a game. They try to win you with the lights, you know, with all the LEDs. No, the LEDs only are limited on that one. They're not the, you know, on the C you have to get the 450 bulbs, you know, but you get the RGB. Well, no, they just put more bulbs. They're going to have the shit on the topper, and they're probably going to do, what, underneath the game again, or the same shit they did with Guns N' Roses. I mean, the play field is going to be the same amount of lights. And it has the hot rails. They brought the hot rails back. It's on this.
    64:39
    Yeah, I'm not seeing it. I'm not feeling warm. You hate everything. No, the pricing's getting totally fucking nutty. It is quite nutty. I mean, they sold $30 million of it, so it's... Well, when your prices come up more, that's what happens. Yeah, you get more money. You're pretty smart. Yeah, go figure. What about the pricing difference between it and Guns N' Roses? I mean, Guns N' Roses is a much more packed game. Yeah, and $2,000 more. You're just getting a lot more. Yeah, I know.
    65:11
    It's just, I think they're going to, eventually we are going to price ourselves out of the market. You keep saying that, but they keep selling.
    65:19
    Wait a second, I can buy a brand new car for almost as much as this, the cheapest shitty car you ever talk about, like a Nissan Versa. Let me see. What is a Nissan Versa?
    65:34
    Car or game? I'd be like, it depends on the car and the game. Here we go. A Nissan Versa 2022. Brand new car. You get 32 miles to the gallon, 40 highway. It's $15,380.
    65:49
    Wow. Yeah. Thank you. We are now up to car, brand new car prices for a pinball machine. Yeah, but depending on the pinball machine, it might be worth getting that over the car. What is the resale, though, on that car? Of course, yeah, but guess what? I can go 100,000 miles maybe with this car easily. Am I going to get 100,000 miles out of plays out of a pinball machine? No, I'm going to play it for a month, and I'm going to sell it for double what I— Flip it and make more money. Flip it and make more money, so I don't see the issue. I know, but it's just like we're now up to car pricing. Car pricing. Yeah, we are.
    66:30
    Jesus Christ. Let's see what other news. Guardians of the Galaxy and Led Zeppelin had their last call.
    66:37
    Bye. See you. See you later. Bye. Guardians had a significantly longer than Rodman and Zeppelin. Yeah. Like, when did Guardians, let me see. I've got to see when Guardians came out. 2019? No, before that. No, earlier than that. Way earlier than that. 2017. 2017, okay. Wow. Yeah, the end of 2017. So they had an over four-year run, four-and-a-half-year run. And almost didn't make it six months. Yeah, that's the one that got hurt by the whole. That's when Trudeau, not to be mentioned, you know, we just mentioned him, the pedophile, he got popped. So they had to redo. They just trashed Deadpool and started redoing it. So they had to rush Guardians out before it was ready. so it was basically Groot all day and then it was Orville all day and then they finally kind of got it to a better place let's see Zeppelin when did that come out that was 2020 at the end of 2020 December so not even two years not a whole lot of love with that no nice thank you I gotta plug that one Wait, Dad, it's Dad.
    68:04
    Oh, man. You don't need this pinball. Oh, Dad. Yeah, they didn't sell many of this game. Yeah. Sorry, Steve. I like it. I think it shoots good. I actually enjoy playing it. But no one can look at the art in that game and tell me it's good. You look at that thing, it looks like a barren, especially the pro, it's the most barren looking thing.
    68:41
    Yeah. Yeah, the LE is the ugliest thing. Yeah. I agree. The premium is the best one. Oh, it's just, ugh.
    68:50
    Oh, well. Sorry, Raymond. If you own a LE or, you know, Led Zeppelin, yeah, we're going to make fun of you.
    68:58
    I won't make fun of you. I enjoy playing Led Zeppelin, as long as it's at least a premium. Got to have the extra ramp that you can't do most of the time anyway, or the right orbit shot to the scoop that rejects, or the spinner thing that seems to break on a lot of them.
    69:12
    But that's it. Other than that. And the multipliers that get a little crazy with scoring. Let's see. What else have we got here? There's another new game if you want to build it.
    69:24
    Yes. Our man John Norris, God of Gottlieb, he's come up with a new street-level game. Did you see this, Chris? No, I have not seen this.
    69:36
    It's called Champs-Élysées? Yeah. It's a Tour de France theme. Yes. Oh, I did hear of this. I don't know if I believed it. Tour de France. If you look at the play field, it is literally like a street level. Yeah. It's a hotly late 80s, early 90s street-level game. He probably had the design and probably just said, here you go. He's giving you the information. He gives you the overview. Whoa, Bill of Materials, street-level play field. Uses off-the-shelf assemblies. GDD with full rules set. I don't know what that means. GDD. Bill of Materials Excel file included. Comes with the CAD drawings.
    70:17
    It's got the rules set listed. I'm not going to go through everything it says. But very easy to clean and maintain. Super fast flow layout. And it's like a little mini jump ramp. It looks pretty cool. I mean, it looks like a Gottlieb. Yep. Oh, it's totally a Gottlieb. Yeah. It's got a lot of inserts. It's got a lot of, I think, grooves also. I would totally play this. Yeah. Now, we don't know what they're using as their base of stuff and everything like that for rule. And I'm for rules, maybe for hardware. We don't even know. It's whatever you want to make it on. He's just giving you the CAD and the rules. It's up to you to figure out the rest.
    70:56
    But that's what it is. It's just so you can build. It's like, here you go. Yeah. I'd like to see somebody build this, please. I want to see this in the homebrew section.
    71:07
    It's got ball locks on either side. I mean, John Norris made one of the greatest Scott Lee games ever. Bad Girls. I love Bad Girls. I do like the ball lock on the left and right hand. Yeah, yeah. That's pretty cool. See where it is? It's low. Both of them, both sides. Yeah, right in your face. So it looks like there's posts that come up to lock your ball. Yep. So when your balls are locked there, you basically lose. You don't lose anything. No, it might kick it out. It might use the switch before. Well, I don't see a switch before on the right hand. No, there is. On the right hand side, if you slough plunge from the plunger, there's no switch there. Now, maybe where it says ball lock, there's two switches in that little thing. Yeah, maybe.
    71:51
    You just kick it out and drop it and go down, yeah. Oh, one thing we didn't mention about Toy Story is that little jump ramp thing. The no-good gophers, slam ramp, whatever you want to call it. When it comes up, it also has this other thing where there's two posts in front of it that can pop up. Oh, yeah, yeah. So you have to hit it perfectly. I thought that was pretty neat. Yeah, and sometimes only one comes up. So it changes the shot, you know. Yeah, I'm looking at this more and more, and I like this more and more. Yeah, I knew it. I knew you'd like it. You converted. You're now a godly guy. No, no, no. I like the layout of it. The only thing I don't like, it loops okay. You know, you get the three rollovers inside there. I wonder how fast it will actually loop. I don't even know if it would loop in there. It's just going to be a continuous shot, shot, shot, you know. It'd be kind of nice if there was, like, a thing, like a CSI, where it held it up, and you actually made a couple loops in it, and then when it noticed that switch wasn't activated and when in two seconds or a second it didn't drop down. CSI, really? Well, no, the holding the ball in the center. Like, you know, that kind of thing. Like the power scoop. Yeah. Man, good luck on hitting that center shot. Oh, yeah, that pop bumper is really tight with the pop bumpers there. Eh, it still squeaks through.
    73:07
    Yeah, just like Tron. Not going to play like a Mando. A Mando. Centilorian? I guess that's his name. Yeah, Centilorian. I thought that was pretty fun. It's a variant. So, yeah, someone make this, please. Make it happen. Make it so, Zach. Yeah, yes, our Zach, yeah. I don't think he would ever make someone else's game. He might make it just because nobody else has made it. You know, what if only two to five people make it, and then it becomes, you know, and then they stop selling it, and then it becomes one of the, you know, one of the rarest games out there. Team plan, connect the machines, though, if you have to have two to get it. Yeah!
    73:46
    Yes. It could be like NBA Fast Break. Yeah, but there's only five out there. You're trying to, hey, any of you guys on? You guys on to play with me, guys? There's two of them, but they're like, this is not compatible. I used an AC connector. You used a DC. Yeah. Oh, damn it.
    74:03
    Oh, that's pretty funny. We both use male connectors. Damn it, we can't put them together. We can dock. We can dock now.
    74:13
    Okay. Okay? So there you go, folks. New street-level game. Yes. Kind of cool. And, hey, American, you're hiring everyone else. Just hire John Norris. Yeah, exactly. That's a smart guy. I think the issue is John, he was at Gottlieb, and he did the rules for his games. He's Elwin before Elwin. He did everything. And I think he wants to continue to do that. And I'm not sure Keith Elwin, that seems to not be an option in most places. Like, no, no, no, stay in your lane. You do the play field. you know, we'll let someone else handle the rules.
    74:46
    Well, we have to thank, though, Mr. Namp Arcade for giving us all this good information. Thank you. Let's see. We've got some other information. CERN has made, what is it, four new hires? No, three new hires. Three. Three new hires. So we've got Rebecca Hinsdale as customer service and sales manager of parts, accessories, and merchandise.
    75:08
    Somebody might be able to answer the phone now. Yeah, somebody can answer the phone. You got your, there you go. Let's see. Taylor Bancroft is technical producer for the award-winning industry transforming Insider Connect. So technical producer for Insider Connect. There's our money being taken away from us right away. Here we go. Good. So she's in charge of the paywall. Yes. Wow. You're still me. And then let's see. Alexa Sievert, who is logistics manager, which I, oh, working with Shelly Sachs, Who's been there forever. I wonder if she's going to be like the heir apparent. She's been there for almost 40 years. She's been there since that. She was the original people who started Data East were Shelly Sachs, Gary Stern, Joe Kamenkow. So she's been since that's like 86. 86, 87. Yeah, 86, 87. So that's a long time. She's almost 40 years.
    76:06
    Yeah, the last couple of announcements from Stern for their new hires, It almost seemed like their new prerequisite to be hired was to have your hair color be a certain color of the rainbow.
    76:18
    Well, I don't have much hair, so I can't. No, you can't. I can't hire you now. Congrats to the new employees. Yes, congratulations.
    76:30
    Try to make our games cheaper. That's not going to happen. Let's see. What do we got here? Want to go to the ball bag? I love my ball bag. Okay. I'm glad you love your ball bag.
    76:43
    We have one here from Chris Davis. Oh, wait. Oh, shit. Let's see. I like this one. It says ball bag material.
    76:56
    It's a little worn. It's got some hair on it. A little fleshy. Yeah, a little flesh colored. Ew. This is from Daniel. Daniel says, fellas. Hi, it's been a bit since I have email. I meant to get around to it for a bit now, but you keep cranking out shows and I haven't been able to keep up. So my email will cover quite a bit of time.
    77:19
    But don't worry, it's not Pinball Princess length email. So we're good. First, thanks a ton for the very thoughtful and heartfelt piece about Lyman and mental health struggles. That took some real guts to come out and say the things that you two shared. Having dealt with these types of highs with those very close to me that meant a lot See great show with Eric and Neil dad Neil dad I have to say okay so we had Tom Grapp on here Yes. With Eric from District 82. Yep. The first podcast Tom did after ours, it was probably within a day or so, he recorded his podcast, which is Triple Drain, which is on the Pinball Network, where you can also listen to Silver Ball Chronicles. Latest episode coming out soon. should be coming out before Fantastic. But I will say, listening to that episode, Tom had more F-bombs than I ever heard. He had more F-bombs in that one episode than he's done on the show combined. Well, we are just a bad influence. And I would like to thank that we caused that. So, you're welcome. Yes. Fuck yeah.
    78:22
    Just hit the K2s off and I hope to get up there next time I am in Wisconsin. Yes, I agree totally. Nice interview with Kyle from Marco. I have a quick thing to share about him. Last year at Allentown, one of my games in free play had a flipper issue. The conical spring on a flipper on my sorcerer crapped out, causing the flipper to not drop properly. I hate conical springs. I didn't have a spare, so I swung by Marco's booth to see if they had something to get the game running again. Kyle gave me the part free of charge just to keep our free play game going for others to enjoy. Kudos to him and something that I won't soon forget. Kyle was awesome. I watched him this week. He was working on a Viking light boards. What's up with Bruce totally doing a 180 on Gottlieb stuff? No, no, no. Personally, I think it's high time that he talks. But he talks so much trash and is now seemingly a Gottlieb Premier fanboy these days. I agree. I'm not a fanboy. I agree. Wait. I have three or four other owners, and two of the owners, all they do, guess what they're buying today? They're buying an arena. Okay, so you're talking about the Rochester Pinball Club. Yes. the other members of the collective. I only own two Gottliebs. Oh, sorry, two and a half. Two and a half. Two and a half? What does that even mean? Oh, what, the games? The games is a full one. Uh-huh. I own that myself. Uh-huh. Countdown is a full one. Do you have a problem with that one? No. Okay. And I own a half of Hoops. Okay. So, wait a sec. How did I turn into a fanboy? From what I remember of the shows in the past, It seems like you have been buying up a lot of Gottliebs. When you talk about buying new games, it's been Gottlieb, Gottlieb, Gottlieb. Because that's all that's left now. I've owned a lot of fucking games in my life. Daniel, you are completely correct. He's done a 180. He won't admit it. I have videos of him in Allentown right by Bad Girls where he disparages it, like this piece of crap. I'd rather play this High Roller Casino right next to it. Now he loves that. No, no. High Roller Casino. No. Bad Girls is way better than High Roller Casino. I'd rather play Bad Girls. It's like the cheesiness of Bad Girls. No, I like that. It's great.
    80:34
    I would definitely buy a High Roller Casino. And the cool music and terrible sound where it sounds like he's saying babe when he's supposed to be saying bad. Babe, babe, babe, babe. I'd still buy me a High Roller Casino in a second. I love that game. Keep going with the tournament and tech talks. Many out there dig it. I personally love the tech stuff. I love it. Thank you. Last thing for the email, Stern, repro drop targets. I have seen the light. I had the repro drops to my stars and hated them. Brick City. See? You two probably have enough NOS targets to last forever. I don't, but Bruce probably does. I've been buying every show I go out. I just get used ones, and then, hey, I'll deal with a little worn face. Who cares? At least it drops. But for the rest of us, got to give a shout-out to Swinks. Yeah, he does the 3D printed one. Yeah, he designed 3D-printed tombstone-style targets. He has them printed in a really nice material, which is quite durable. I bought some of these and installed them in stars, night and day difference. They dropped just as good as you would expect and zero bricking issues. And he sent a picture, and they look like the correct tombstone style. What were you going to say, Chris? Oh, I did buy a quicksilver that I had to work on, and the drop targets were one of the things I had to replace. put in the new ones and yeah man they just, they wouldn't, they would pop up but they'd drop back down oh that's the ledge, you have to adjust the ledge so when they pop back up they hook over just that ledge of hair some do get worn, you know they cheapened out in that the older mechs you can adjust how far up the plate it goes up to reset them but like on Dragonfist nope, they removed that functionality So I had to grind away at the freaking plunger so it had a little more, so it could get the damn targets up. You got to get it up.
    82:27
    Keep at it, boys. Still the best podcast out there. Thank you. Thank you very much. We try to be honest. We, you know, I bet you Chris is getting the, holy shit, it is just like we fucking record.
    82:40
    Oh, yeah. You hear what you get. Or you hear what you get. That's a bad line. That's a Bruce line. That is a persistent. Hear what you get. Wow. Also, I have a couple of emails from Zach in Australia. We will get back to you. We have been very. I responded to him saying when we're ready to do it is when he is. So we just. Oh, okay. I'm here using the 11-hour difference. All right. So you already responded. I didn't even know that. See the good communication between the hosts. We have no idea when we responded. I mean, Bruce responded to Chris and gave him his email address, which was wrong, his own email address. So I had to respond and say, no, he meant this. Yeah. Well, hey, guess what? I was driving and speaking. I told you that. You shouldn't do that. What, on the phone? Just hit the button? Not if it's going to screw up. I didn't know it was going to screw up until after I stopped. I didn't even fix it, so we're good. Okay. Well, that was the ball back.
    83:36
    Nice. I think I already plugged, again, Silver Ball Chronicles coming out soon. Oh, you did already. We've got Pinball Network. We're going to be talking about... I hope you talk about fallbacks.
    83:49
    Actually, I don't know if I can say we're going to talk about it. I have no idea if this stuff is secret or not. I have no clue. I'm blisterly ignorant. Yes. Oh, and I'd like to thank our... We had a couple of listeners that alerted me to the fact that our site wasn't working properly. Yes. What happened? Our webmaster, who should go nameless, forgot to renew the SSL certificate. it. So on June 9th, it stopped working correctly. I didn't notice it because I don't really go to the site. Luckily, our listeners did. I got a hold of said webmaster and he was busy. He had meetings to go to. So I ended up just going into the, I had to make some adjustments and we are back up. And the certificate should auto renew now. So we hopefully will not have that issue ever again. If you go to our site now, it's all HTTPS now. So we're really secure. We have secured the Slamtail podcast. I feel so secure in my manhood.
    84:51
    That's what I hear about you, yes. Yes, I have. Alright. Repairs. Chris had some. He did some work. I did. I just bought a MISO for a couple hundred bucks. It didn't work. First, it was just the left flipper, which the wires had come loose. Can't believe the guy didn't see that. It sat in his, luckily, inside of his house for about 10 years with that issue, and just a couple of unsluttered wires. But it turned out to be a lot more than that. Those old EMs and adjusting switches, and it was giving me a hard time for a while, but it's completely up and running. I am working on an eight ball currently for a business in town, and I was actually going to ask Bruce his thoughts. Ask away. Now, this is Valley 8-ball, the original. Yeah, Valley 8-ball. I have one in my shop right now, so go ahead. All the general illumination comes on. The pool balls in the center and other associated lights, you know, they don't come on. I've checked every bulb. I've checked the sockets. I even swapped out the board for the Alltech, the light board. and didn't fix it. Power supply, test out okay. So, I mean, I guess it's the MPU. It could be the MPU or it could be the connector from the MPU to the light board. I would check continuity. Yeah, that would be next. Yeah, that would be next because I would make sure if there's bad connectors since you swapped out that side, or it could be a bad solder joint on the MPU side.
    86:29
    On the post for the harness? Yes. Well, yeah, for the backside, you know, the male can be. It looks good when I take it. Yeah, look and, you know, I always just, lately I've just been hitting almost every connector and reflowing it. And it's gotten so bad lately, I reflow them once, and like six months later, vibrations, I'll have to do it again. Well, no, that's just because you won't use LEDs, you see, so they just get, you know, heat up and then fail again. No. They worked 40 years ago. They should work like today. But I would check continuity between the light board and the signal code from the MPU and make sure you are getting the signal down to the light boards. And then I'm assuming you check the continuity from the light board down to the actual lights themselves. And make sure you have – do you have voltage there or nothing? No, we have voltage. So it's Signal then. That's definitely then. I'm thinking it's Connector issue, which is common on Valleys because they all get the green snot of hell.
    87:38
    Yeah. And then the other one I figured would be good for the show. So up here there's a place called Port Towns that I went and picked up a free Quicksilver. I didn't know anything about the game when I picked it up. I just, I was the first one to ask, and I went over there and picked it up and literally put about $400 to $500 into it, cleaned it up real nice, new board, drop targets, different things. Sold it for $5,500. The play field was a little hashed in the middle, but shipped it out to San Francisco to a company that refurbishes them. Yeah, basically that free Quicksilver bought me my Jurassic Park. Nice. Yeah. I didn't know it was a gray old game at the time. I just kind of happened to stumble upon it. And you would have been lucky.
    88:35
    Yeah. Everything about the game was in great condition. Minty, back glass, everything, just the play field. Which I know you guys got some new play fields to swap out on yours. We did. Ron finally got his a couple of, what was it, a month ago. And I'm not ready for my swap out yet. I'm still working on my crap at the co-op and also customers' games. Got a lot of repair stuff this past couple weeks.
    89:02
    What do we got first? I now know what is wrong with the games displays. What game? All right. The games. Which one? You got to be more specific. It's a great game. It's the system ADB. It's called The Game. All right. I'll drop the routine again. Yes.
    89:21
    I was getting frustrated. I have seven-digit displays on the Gottlieb, and it was giving me gibberish. So luckily we have another seven-digit Gottlieb display game in our place, which is Rack'em Up. Put the displays in there. They work. They work perfect. So now it's on the board. So what I did next to prove that it was the board is I used Zach's Lizzie System 80, 80A board. Works perfect. So now I know it's on the board, and there's like 11 chips that control the whole digits, segments, everything like that. And so now I have to start using the logic probe and figuring out. But I'm probably going to shoot a shotgun and all with new sockets and just do it. And I read up the reason why it happened, because somebody unplugged the displays while it was powered on. So guess what? Got leave 80s. Do not take off the display like you could on a Bally Williams, the old Ballys and old Sterns. I still wouldn't do that with the game on. Oh, I've done it. Jesus Christ. No. I've done it.
    90:23
    Doesn't do anything. It doesn't hurt anything. They're high voltage. High voltage. Can you see the little sign that says, you know, change your high voltage, don't touch it. Yeah, and it only stays charged for a couple seconds, so you just don't touch them for a couple seconds after you disconnect them. That's fine. Okay. They discharge pretty quick. If not, it would be great to walk around the RPC and just, hey, touch this display. Just, ah! He hit like the Beavis and Butthead.
    90:53
    But that was one thing. As I talked about, we're working on the cocktail for Ex-Allied in the future. We can't get the coils anymore. They're not available. So you have to get them from PBR and from Marco and all those other places. And they're too big. Wait, wait, wait. You said they're not available anymore. So you have to get them from pinball suppliers. Well, they weren't original. They were original, so they got re-bound and were plastic. And what happened was Allied Leisure uses a smaller winding holder and the actual base of the coil, the plastic piece, and where it leads. It's too big. So me and Zach actually had to grind. And on an Allied Leisure, they hold your spring tension for the – there's like a little bracket that comes off the middle of the coil. and it has a little square hole that you put your bolt nut through, and there's a hook on the other end of the bracket that holds the spring tension. Well, the problem is the hole is not in the right position anymore, so we have to drill our coil plastic to make it work, and we're grinding down plastics of the backside so it actually will sit in the coil bracket. So that's been our fun. Hopefully that will be done. I'm going to pull out countdown and see what is wrong with that next. Oh, hot tip is almost ready, Ron. You got to fix that one thing in the pop-up where you put on backwards.
    92:22
    No, I like it. That's the way it should be. People say that, and then you look at this, and it is pointed towards the front. The nub on the, what is that called? Yes, the nubmer pointed to the front. What is that called?
    92:33
    I love my nubbin'. Yeah, the nub is supposed to be in the back to prevent ball traps. Yeah. Okay, so Bruce likes to put in parts in backwards because he likes it backwards. I love my nubbin up front. Yeah.
    92:46
    So that will be it. And then also, what else? I need two cranks for it, the left and right cranks. Both welds have broke on these flipper cranks on those. So they are on our next order for PBR. Don't forget, Pinball Resource. All your pinball things you need as long as you email them. Well, unless the one guy that does the email is on vacation. On vacation for a week. Yeah, which you don't want to do anyway. You just wait for that week. Wow.
    93:16
    I have one. Three times for you. I have one. Okay. It's not one of my games. Wow. Godzilla. Godzilla at the local. Where? The local. You have a local place? That's the name of the place, the local. Okay, I was doing what you were doing. Yeah. So the left ramp wasn't registering? basically the left orbit slash goes into the ramp wasn't registering. Then we were told the magnet wasn't working. So I was looking at it, and after finally putting my thinking cap on, it's like the magnet isn't working. Is it the magnet, or is it the switch that detects the balls there, and that's why it doesn't appear the magnet is working. So I put it in switch test, and, yeah, it wasn't registering. and neither was, you know, the left ramp, obviously. But several targets weren't registering either. It's like, okay.
    94:10
    So I look at the manual. All the stuff that's not registering is in the same row, column, whatever. There were a couple from that row, column that were working. So it's like, okay, the wire fell off somewhere in here. So I just took a wild stab and, like, let's try this switch first. Lift up the play field. Literally the first switch I looked at, that was the one. You can see the wires hanging there. Oh! Yeah. But none of us had a soldering iron. This was during League. So it's like, well, I told Mike, our League guy, there you go. That's the problem. So just bring your soldering iron. Here's your sign. Yeah, get your soldering iron, solder thing back on, and boom, it'll work fine. Hold on. Ron, I have a problem. What? You don't have a wireless soldering iron in your own car? No. I have one downstairs. I don't have it in my car.
    95:03
    Fail. I do have a butane one. Butanes are fine. I love those wireless ones that we use. That's a go up. Well, by wireless, you just mean it doesn't have a power cord. It doesn't get internet. Yes. Yes, it doesn't get internet. If you really wanted it to, it probably should. This is weird. I've never heard of it. Do you have a wireless soldering iron? I hate wire. I hate the wire. You feel like you're going to, unless you're at a bench and you're at a table doing like board work, when you're getting ready to use the machine and you've got to plug it into Hopefully it has an outlet. Some of these new games don't even have that. I like my cordless one where I just put the battery in and What's the deal with that? Some of the new games now have a service outlet? Yes.
    95:42
    The new Sterns, they don't have service outlets? Nope. Damn, that sucks. We couldn't have plugged it in anyway. Yep. That's what I'm saying. But Spooky has two because it's a freaking wall outlet they put in the bottom of their cabinets. I guess I had to repair my Godzilla when I pulled it out of the box too. Speaking of switches, my building wasn't registering. I'd go through the building and it wouldn't catch the ball. There's two optos right at the entrance of the building that face each other. I had to take that metal bracket out and drill the holes out larger because the optos couldn't adjust them to make it work. So they were blocked. They were blocked. Once I drilled those holes out bigger, never an issue. See, first run. You had a first run problem, so see? That's why Ron can be so happy.
    96:33
    Interesting thing about those opto pairs, they do have like a little LED on one of them that illuminates. Well, if they don't see each other, the LED goes out too. That's how I noticed it was that. So I was watching somebody else play, and I would see that light intermittently going in and out, and I'm like, oh. And so that's what caught my eye was that light going in and out. In and out of love. Sorry.
    96:59
    Okay. Let's see. What else do I got here? Stomp. Let's end it with Stomp. Stomp East. The original Stomp. We have a date. We do have a date, and we're going to announce it right now. Right now.
    97:17
    September 10th. Time to be determined. Probably will be starting at 12 at Ron's house. It'll be at Ron's house again. there are two bits of information we're going to have. It's only going to be 32 people. Max. Yeah, Bruce is upset with me. I've spoken. Because the original one was 32 and then Bruce... Let's do 36. Let's do 40. More people want to play. I think we got up to 48 or something. Yeah, we did. It's just too crowded. So it's going to be... I guarantee this will sell out fast. I hope it does because then it's less work for me to worry about.
    97:52
    It will be on the 10th. I'm going to make the IFPA request another week or two. Once that's done, we will probably talk on the next show when the tickets will be on sale for Stomp. We have tickets? Well, tickets. Yeah, tickets. Your entry will be prepaid and go from there. And the 24-hour thing, we're still talking about. We can't decide, all five of us, when we can be around at the RPC. So right now it is on a little bit of a hold, but, hey, it will happen. I will make it so. You will make it so. Okay. If I can't be in a 24-hour one, hey, how about the 100 people who didn't make it come to the RPC and we'll do it on the same day? There you go. Ooh.
    98:37
    Interesting. They've made their thing. They're already filled up. Yeah, and Zach won't be there. It's perfect. Exactly. So he can't win. I like it. I like the way you think. See, I'm thinking ahead. You have 100 people who wanted to play. We almost have as many games as the sanctum does. It's just a little further drive for some people, probably closer for other people. It's not a circuit event, though. Eh, well, you know. That matters to some people. I know it does matter to some people, but some people want to play pinball in a good location with lots of fans. I like that. I like that idea. See?
    99:10
    We'll see. People, if you like that idea, email. I'm not going to piss off Jim then because they've already got their 100 people. They've got their guaranteed. Mm-hmm. See? I like that. No conflict. Like, you didn't get into this one? You can get into ours. Yeah, I like that. Nice.
    99:30
    Excelente. Anything else on the docket? I don't have anything else on the docket. Chris, is there anything you'd like to plug or talk about? Yeah, I got some shout-outs. Cool. Well, you know, if you're ever out on Kamano Island in the northwestern part of Washington,
    99:49
    Yeah, come see me at the Starcade. That's my little home barcade here. And shout out to the Starcade crew. Comes out here every Friday night. That's our league. And also another one of my friend's arcades out here. There's a few, but Northwest Nincade.
    100:09
    So those are my shout outs. So you're on an island. Yep, I'm on an island. It's got a bridge, but it's an island for sure. Nice. So, Ron, how does somebody else get on the Slam Tilt Podcast?
    100:25
    If you want to send us an email, our email, our ball bag is slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com. You can also check out our website, which is working now, www.slamtiltpodcast.com. All our links are in the upper right-hand corner. Can't guarantee when I'll be streaming again, but who knows? Maybe after Pentastic. You'll get the bug again. Well, maybe Stu McVicker will feel like screaming Sunday. Who knows? Maybe he wants revenge on Raymond. Maybe he will be there. Who knows? Maybe he'll concede after he loses a couple games.
    101:02
    I don't know. I don't know if he's the conceding type. I don't know. He's not a gentleman. He's an asshole. No one likes Stu. That's why he's banned from everywhere. Ah, yes, you are all pinheads. You are pinball wizards. How do you explain this to your imaginary girlfriend? I'm sorry. Well, my hand takes it. Oh, man.
    101:24
    Okay. On that note, thanks, Chris. Yeah, thank you. It was fun. Thanks for having me. It was a lot of fun. This is episode 188. Thanks to everyone on our Clusterfuck thread. Yes, Clusterfucking away. Hi, Zach. Funnel bonus. Funnel Steve. Et cetera. The entire world. Thank you, everybody. Until next time, we'll be, when will be the next time? Probably after Pentastic. So you'll get to hear how awesome Toy Story is. And Bruce will have to eat his words.
    102:01
    While you're in Rochester, you'll probably play it. It's actually on order. Yeah, there's probably a zillion people already getting it in your area. We are too in our area to already have it on order. Of course you do, yes. Collector's editions. Oh, yeah, of course. They only get the highest end shit in Rochester. We all know that. Yeah, we do. Okay. You think I'm forgetting something, but I don't think so.
    102:24
    I think we covered everything. Did we cover everything? I think we did. Okay. Goodbye, everybody. Until next time, say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Pete Clark.
    102:36
    Goodbye, Pete Clark. Can't go away if you don't try. Oh my, my, oh my, my. Guaranteed to keep you alive.
    103:06
    Oh my. Oh my