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Episode 150 – Happy Father’s Day

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Sep 9, 2020
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt 150: Australian collectors discuss hobby origins; detailed breakdown of Stern Avengers Infinity Quest announcement.

Summary

Slam Tilt Podcast episode 150 features hosts Ron Howell and Bruce Nightingale with guests Emily Koston and her father Dr. John from Australia. The episode covers their pinball collecting journey, their machine collection including bolted-down games like Wizard of Oz and Pirates of the Caribbean, and extensive discussion of the newly announced Stern Avengers Infinity Quest (Premium/LE/Pro), including playfield features, art direction, Pro vs. Premium differences, and pricing of accessories like toppers.

Key Claims

  • Avengers Infinity Quest Pro model is missing the Captain Marvel ramp that exists on Premium/LE versions, making it significantly different functionally

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce, discussing game specs from official reveal materials

  • Keith Elwin designed the game around the Captain Marvel ramp a year and a half before announcement

    high confidence · Bruce citing Keith's statement about design timeline, defending against homebrew Sonic comparison

  • Stern typically limits LE production to 500 units, but speakers believe 750 could have sold out

    high confidence · John and Ron discussing Jurassic Park, Star Trek, Star Wars, and Batman LE production numbers

  • Batman LE production was increased from initial number (approximately 12) to 66

    medium confidence · Ron mentioning precedent for Stern changing LE quantities after announcement

  • Avengers Infinity Quest topper is $600 USD; Elvira topper is $1,000 USD

    high confidence · Ron stating official pricing released day after game reveal

  • LE purchasers do not receive shooter knob and topper automatically with machine purchase

    high confidence · Ron asking clarifying question about standard inclusions for $600 LE price

  • Rick Nagel and Raymond Davidson are working on code for Avengers Infinity Quest

    high confidence · Bruce and Ron naming code developers during game discussion

  • Dr. John has owned over 50 pinball machines in his collecting career, keeping them 1-2 years before selling

    high confidence · John answering Ron's question about total machines owned; mentions PinSide reference

Notable Quotes

  • “Johnny Mnemonic is too broken code wise... the video mode is the best video mode in the world.”

    John (Dr. John) @ early in episode — Expresses opinion on a classic Stern game's quality and code issues; contrasts with others' preference for Fishtails video mode

  • “He took a theme that basically all pinside would say, oh, no, not again, Avengers. Everyone's going to hate it. They took one look at the game and just lost their shit.”

    Bruce @ during Avengers discussion — Captures community sentiment shift from FOMO/skepticism to enthusiasm upon reveal

  • “It's not yellow, it's gold... Thanos' armor is partially yellow, not like what we were all used to in the movies.”

    Ron @ discussing art design — Explains design choice justification (comic-book vs. film adaptation) for controversial color choice

  • “When you see the difference between the pro and the premium LE on this, you've got to go for premium LE. You have to.”

    Bruce @ Pro vs. Premium comparison — Strong recommendation reflecting rare case where Pro is deemed significantly inferior to Premium/LE versions

  • “What happens on Slam Tilt Podcast stays on Slam Tilt Podcast... Until it airs.”

    Ron and Bruce (exchange) @ after Emily hint about ordering LE — Humorous acknowledgment of podcast's running joke about spoiling information before air date

  • “I have approval from the missus to possibly get a premium... my wife is a humongous marble nut.”

    Ron @ personal machine plans — Reveals spouse preference influences purchasing decisions among collectors

  • “Keith also said, and I think this was a joke, he said the permanent second place on the leaderboard will always be JLS, Josh Sharp.”

    Bruce @ discussing high-score easter eggs — Notes designer easter egg crediting Josh Sharp (Zach Sharpe?) with permanent second-place honor

  • “The Pro is missing a ramp... It makes it completely different... when Keith says that he planned and made the game about this ramp that's now missing on the Pro, that kind of makes you, wow, okay.”

Entities

Ron HowellpersonBruce NightingalepersonEmily KostonpersonDr. JohnpersonKeith ElwinpersonRick NagelpersonRaymond DavidsonpersonZombie Yettiperson

Signals

  • ?

    announcement: Stern officially revealed Avengers Infinity Quest in Pro/Premium/LE tiers with full complement of videos (gameplay, topper, accessories) and pricing on August 31-September dates

    high · Ron and Bruce reference official reveal videos from Stern YouTube, gameplay videos, topper video, and official pricing ($600 topper, $1,000 Elvira topper)

  • ?

    product_strategy: Pro model removes Captain Marvel ramp feature present in Premium/LE; first time Stern has reduced functionality in Pro tier according to speakers

    high · Bruce: 'It's the first time ever, I think, as Zach said, that a Pro Premium difference is taking away part of the function of the game. It makes it completely different.'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Avengers Infinity Quest topper priced at $600 USD; Elvira topper at $1,000 USD; speakers note accessory pricing increased significantly

    high · Ron states official pricing released day after game reveal; Game of Thrones topper comparison mentioned

  • ?

    collector_signal: Australian collectors report LE machines hold value well with typical $500 AUD changeover cost when upgrading to new LE models; some LEs not holding value (specific title observed in collection)

    high · Dr. John: 'if you get an LE, new LE comes out, it might be a $500 changeover to sell the old and get the new'

  • $

    market_signal: Stern produces 500 LE units standard; speakers believe 750 could sell out for Marvel-themed games; precedent: Batman LE increased from ~12 to 66

    high · Bruce and John discussing Jurassic Park, Star Trek, Star Wars LE quantities; Ron mentioning Batman increase as precedent for potential Avengers increase

Transcript

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0:00
Operator, may I help you? Uh, Beavis is bleeding. Excuse me, sir. If this is an emergency, you should dial 911. This is 411 information. Uh, okay.
0:17
Operator, may I help you? Uh, what was that number again? Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Howell, and here is my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. How the hell have you been with me for over 150 episodes? I will not know. Yes, episode 150. How many years? Four years? Oh, God. Three and a half, almost four. Yeah, God. I thought we started in 2016, Bruce. It was like July.
1:00
Yeah, but we had a couple breaks, so, you know. A couple. Okay. But you know what it means. It's episode 150. So it's part of our tradition. Either we have Lyman Sheets on or we have Australians on. So what can we have? I don't know. Do we want to have Marty on? And, God, you know. And Ryan Sneak. God, do we really want them on? Well, they already have their own podcast. Yeah, yeah, screw it, I'm screwed, I'm screwed. Who can we get? Hmm.
1:33
Hmm. Ron, I'm going to leave this up to you now, because I'm the one always getting these people. Why don't you ring up somebody you know that's from Australia? Okay, well, I wanted to get Emily Koston on, but unfortunately we had to get her dad on, too. Oh, God, really? That guy is such a pain in the ass. Okay, well, try to ring him up right now. Let's see what we got. All right, I think I got him.
1:57

Ron @ Pro vs. Premium analysis — Critique of design tradeoff in lower-tier model undermining designer intent

Zach Sharpe
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Stern Pinballcompany
Deep Root Pinballcompany
P3 Pinballcompany
Jersey Jack Pinballcompany
Avengers Infinity Questgame
Wizard of Ozgame
Pirates of the Caribbeangame
Johnny Mnemonicgame
Deadpoolgame
Harlem Globetrottersgame
Stranger Thingsgame
Fishtalesgame
Game of Thronesgame
Gold Coast Pinball Cluborganization
Time Zonevenue
  • ?

    design_philosophy: Keith Elwin incorporates classic Stern design influences into Avengers; spinner rules based on Nine Ball; bingo card grid mechanics reference Big Game and Cheetah

    high · Bruce: 'Keith has the classic stern influence. Always... spinner rules are based off of nine ball' and 'This is a bingo card that's based off of, well, big game and cheetah'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Community initially skeptical of Marvel theme (FOMO fatigue) but became extremely enthusiastic after seeing actual game reveal

    high · Bruce: 'He took a theme that basically all pinside would say, oh, no, not again, Avengers. Everyone's going to hate it. They took one look of the game and just lost their shit'

  • ?

    machine_intel: Deep Root Pinball teasing new game announcement with mysterious social media posts adding letters; expected announcement on 12th or 22nd of month

    medium · Ron and Bruce discuss Deep Root posts with gap between numbers suggesting date: 'it's a gap before two, so it's either going to be 12 or 22'

  • ?

    machine_intel: Hosts expect 3-4 new game announcements this month: P3 (Nick Baldridge), Deep Root, Jersey Jack, and Stern Avengers

    medium · Bruce: 'I think there's going to be four' new games announced; Ron counters with three but concedes possibility of four

  • ?

    design_innovation: Avengers features interactive Doctor Strange spinning kinetic sling ring disc with dual-direction velocity detection (Premium/LE); Ringmaster turntable; magnetic Avenger Tower lock; ramp accessible from all three flippers; drop targets

    high · Extensive playfield description from official specs; Bruce and Ron discussing each mechanical element

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Rick Nagel and Raymond Davidson leading code development for Avengers Infinity Quest

    high · Bruce naming developers: 'And... Did we actually mention the name of the game?... Rick Nagel. Rick Nagel. And... Raymond Davidson'

  • ?

    community_signal: Stranger Things LE may become new 'default tournament prize' machine replacing WWE LE, though discussed as repetitive with limited shot variety

    medium · Bruce: 'Is Stranger Things going to be like the new WWE?' referring to tournament prize pattern

    • Oh, and there they are. Hi, guys. Hi there. How are you? Hi. Good. Welcome to the madness. It's these strange men ringing up my daughter. Yeah.
    2:12
    Oh, my. I have to say in the background, we have, I said we're one for three, because we have a Wizard of Oz, we have a Pirates of the Caribbean, and then we have a Johnny Mnemonic. Oh, he's moving it now. Okay, let's see. Alice Cooper, okay. Two out of four. America's Most... That's iffy. And Hot Wheels.
    2:39
    I like Hot Wheels. Oh, Harlem Goat Trotters, okay. Stranger Things is EM, I remember that. Stranger Things Newer. And EM Stranger Things, okay. They did a conversion. Ah, and I'm sure these are all, like, super LE things and... Ooh, Deadpool and a Batman. 66.
    2:59
    Nice. Nice, nice, nice. So again, Johnny Mnemonic, of course, the best of all those teams. No, Deadpool. Which is the better of both? Johnny Mnemonic or Deadpool? Deadpool.
    3:13
    Or Batman. I don't know how Batman's up now. The rules help Batman. Best playing Johnny Mnemonic. Best overall, Deadpool.
    3:23
    That's what I would say. Johnny Mnemonic is too broken code wise I played it because it's been a million it won the bonuses and all kinds of other weird things yeah and the video mode is the best video mode in the world oh god no best video mode in the world is Fishtails oh yeah I love Fishtails even better than Tommy Oh, that's the one with the That's the one with the plane where you just move in the same spot I didn't see even if I was missing something there Have I wandered you off your They're always wandering off, that's us What are we doing again? Oh yeah, this is episode 150 episodes We got Emily and Dr. John here to help us out Let's ask them the first and biggest question of all. How the hell did you guys get into this hobby? Both of you. Oh, do you want to go first or second? Well, it started with you. It started with me, so I get to go first. Well, pinball was not a thing when I was younger because when I would go out in my teen years, pinball was only played by very sleazy-looking men in the corner in arcades. And when I say men, they were probably in their 18s or 19s, but it wasn't a thing he did, so you had to fast-forward all the way to university when I was at medical school, and that was in the 90s, and there was a pinball machine in the common room for the students, but no one wanted to play it. It was a creature from the Black Lagoon, and it was turned off, and someone said, we've got to get rid of this, and the operator who had lent it there didn't leave a card or anything on the machine, so no one knew who owned it. So I packed it up in my car and took it home, and it stayed there for six months and finally an angry knock on the door came and said, have you stolen my machine? I said, no, I'm looking after it and I was putting dollars in every time I wanted to play and he got it back. So that was my first experience with pinball, was stealing one from my hospital.
    5:33
    So my first game was a home game and then a little while later I bought a lethal weapon three that someone had won in an auction and didn't want to keep and then they started breeding after that and that was when? About 2006, I think. I started buying machines and they kept going then. I never knew competition existed. I didn't know other people actually collected them very much. And then our local area started a Gold Coast Pinball Club competition night at the local time zone, which is like your Dave and Buster's. Yeah, and I started getting into competition. And then after going there for 12 months, this one, when you were 14? No, 12. 12, 12, yep. I said I wanted to go for some reason. And I don't know why. I think it was because... I wanted to go to Time Zone, I think. And I was like, oh, come and play the pinball then. When we went to Time Zone, they would give you a card so you could swipe the card to play the pinballs for free. But the card also did all the other games and we were allowed to stay there until midnight and play every game. You didn't get any tickets for the redemptions on the card. No, that was sad. So Emily would mainly go under the pretense of going to pinball tournament to play all the other games. Yeah. But then somehow, and I don't know why... I don't know why at all. ...started beating the men. I was so bad at the beginning. I wanted to quit, but I didn't. I kept on going. And then you started winning. And I got better. And better.
    6:58
    That's very cool. So how many machines have you owned, John? Ooh. Are we going to look on pin side? Over 50. Okay. I thought it would be more. I'm a flipper. It might be more. But I tend to keep them for one to two years, and then when the new shiny comes out, I sell and buy another one. But there's a few bolted to the floor. Yes. So what's our bolted to the floor, Emily?
    7:28
    Wizard of Oz, because Mum won't let us sell that one. Harlem Globetrotters we've had for a while, haven't we? Harlem Globetrotters we've had. Emily and I restored that with Pinball Rebel decals. No, Pinball Pimp. What are they called? Who do the decals? Yeah, Pinball Pimp. So we got our set of decals from there and re-sprayed the whole thing. Nice. And that's it. So that's a bolter. What else have we got bolted?
    7:54
    Probably Pirates of the Caribbean because you'll never get it back when you sell it. Yeah, true. And we've had Johnny again. We sold that one and got it back again. It's our second Johnny Mnemonic. Yeah. But I don't think it's a bolt. What team do you regret selling?
    8:10
    What game do we miss the most? I was just going to say Mum was mine when you first tried to sell Lord of the Rings. Oh, yeah, Lord of the Rings, yes. I don't think I regret it, though. We've had that for a long time. What about ACDC? We did have that for a long time. Played it to death. Yeah. Twilight Zone? Congo, I think. Yeah, Congo's the one I regret selling the most. Okay, because they're probably going to get down there. Yeah, not ever going to get that back.
    8:38
    Don't miss Bonebub. No, I don't even remember him. I'm looking through our list. Looking through our list. Tron? Do we miss Tron? I didn't play it that much. Theatre of Magic? Eh.
    8:51
    Eh. Oh, no, we had Game of Thrones for a while. We had Game of Thrones for a long time. Which one do you have? Premium or Ellie? Ellie. Of course. John only gets Ellie. I mean, the reason I get LEs is, number one, I've got a bit of a staircase, not much, but number two, you can resell them much easier. Yes. So the LEs tend to hold their value in Australia very well, except for a couple of titles. What would those be? One I'm looking at straight in front of me. I don't think that's holding its value very well. It's a bit strange it hasn't gone. Oh.
    9:30
    Paragon I missed. I thought it was a good one. Paragon was a good one, yeah. Yeah, but there were other main ones that we missed selling, yeah.
    9:39
    But most LEs hold there, so if you get an LE, new LE comes out, it might be a $500 changeover to sell the old and get the new. That's not bad. Yeah. In Australian, that's, what, like $4,000?
    9:53
    $500 Australian. Oh, oh. Chump change, chump change in the US. That's a chump change. Is Stranger Things going to be like the new WWE? No, no, no, surely not. That's true. Well, no, I mean it in a good way. Like, if you win some kind of stern tournament where they just give you a game, it always ended up being WWELE. Now maybe it's Stranger Things instead.
    10:17
    Which would be better. That's a good way. It's not a bad game. I mean, it's just a little bit woodchoppy now that I've got to know it, that you're just repeating the same shots over and over. I hit that four times. But you can say the same thing about Attack from Mars, but it hasn't got the funny call-outs. I don't know why they're so similar, but who knows? I wonder. Yeah, I wonder. But I finally, I stripped the heck out of it. I got the Demi-Gorgon, Demo-Gorgon to work properly now that I can always get it in the mouth. And the trouble is, once you do that, so you tip it forward a bit, make sure it doesn't move back too far, it becomes a bit mundane then because you just trap up, shoot it straight in the mouth every time, and you go, well, the challenge is gone. Yeah, you need to challenge yourself. You need to challenge yourself. Undo it.
    11:02
    Especially if you're going on another machine, you're going, what the hell's wrong with this machine? Why does it work? Yeah, yeah. I was lucky. My magnetic lock always worked, my telekinesis lock, so I never had trouble with that. A lot of people did. But, yeah, clean the left ramp and it locks up well. So it's okay, game. And it won't stay forever. And your post either? My post has never flopped out, no. Oh, good. Yeah. I hate when I get a floppy post.
    11:28
    Right, okay. It happens today, Emily. I still remember, I was reminding Emily the other day, we did a Emily and Dr. John YouTube on a friend's Aerosmith LE when it first came out. And she chose the song. I was young. She was young. She said, Dad, why do they say the dude looks like a lady?
    11:51
    And I said, you haven't met Stu McVicker yet. No, not yet. Okay, trivia. Who were they referring to in that song? What band were they referring to?
    12:03
    Was it Van Island? No. Poison? No. Oh, you're closer. Bruce is closer. What's next? No. No, I have to think then. You get one more guess. Orange. No, no, no. They just got back together again after having another final farewell tour and signing a contract saying they couldn't get back together, but then they were getting back together. Oh, Motley Crue. Yes.
    12:25
    There you go. He doesn't look like a lady. Oh, well, I would say back then when they were talking about it, he probably did. Because they were wearing makeup and all that stuff, too. They were wearing. Yeah. There you go. Then someone will correct me, I'm sure. We have a lot of corrections.
    12:47
    We have a lot of corrections, Bruce. What does that even mean? We do. Don't worry. We'll get to that after the news. After the news. Oh, news. Let's talk about news. Let's talk about a game. A game that's coming out. So I hear there's a new game coming out by Deep Root, you know.
    13:06
    Well, there is a game coming out by Deep Root at some point. Yeah, they keep on teasing us about this new game coming out, and they keep on adding letters to their mystical post. Yeah, what does it say, like a 9D or something? No, there's something else now. There's nine. There's a one number. so it's a gap before two, so it's either going to be 12 or 22. It sounds like that's when they're going to announce their machine, either the 12th or the 22nd. So do we think there's literally going to be three games that are announced this month? No. I think there's going to be four. You think there's going to be four? Four. Wow. Okay. The last picture has a green fist coming out in the middle of the picture, so Deep Roots being fisted. I don't know what that means. Oh, yeah. And now.
    13:56
    Well, let's think about it. I actually like that. They might as well do that. Just their names just go all the way.
    14:03
    Well, what's his name? P3 has released the game. Yeah, the new one by Nick Baldrige, is it? Yep. Wow. So that's one game. Did they do it on a stream or something like that? I forget what they called it. It's actually on a... But didn't they reveal it, like, on a stream? Yeah, it was on a... I think it was on one of those streams. But, yes, so there's a new game from them. There's a new game from, hopefully, Deep Root. There'll be a new game from... Joy-Z Jack? Joy-Z Jack. And then there's this other company. What's the name of it? It's the biggest one in the world. Haggis. That's going to be a new Haggis game.
    14:42
    No, we got shocked right away last week. We got a teaser on the 31st of August with some Marvel characters. And everyone's like, no, not Marvel again. And then a couple days later, we got everything right off the bat. We got pro. We got a premium video. We got a gameplay video. Topper video. A topper video of this great game. How can you say it's great when you haven't played it? It's from the one. Yeah, I noticed. Keep that one as down the impossible. He took a theme that basically all pin side would say, oh, no, not again, Avengers. Everyone's going to hate it. They took one look at the game and just lost their shit. They're like, oh, my God, this is incredible. I'm buying this now. Quite impressive ability to do that. I think he was going for a new wire form record. The most habit trails in the game. He wanted to, like, beat out Demoman or something. No, he wanted to beat out Airborne Avengers. Oh, Airborne. No, not Airborne Avengers. Which one's got more roller coaster time? Airborne.
    15:47
    Airborne. And don't forget who's been working on the code. He's been overwhelmed. He posted on Facebook, the world number one. I know. He's been doing it with... Who's the head? Rick Nagel. And... Raymond Davidson. Raymond Davidson is rocking it, which is cool.
    16:11
    And... Did we actually mention the name of the game? We didn't. No, we didn't. Avengers. Avengers Infinity Quest. Well done. Which I don't know what that means. It's the comic book thing or something. It's the comic book, which is great, actually, because you have more flexibility. And better art. Yes. Guaranteed better art if you're going to do the comic book. And the art is done by Zombie Eddie. And it's insane. It is. The only thing I don't like about the art, there's one thing I don't like. Oh, God, there's always something. it's if you look at Captain Marvel she has really big dark eyebrows that's the trend now isn't it I know but if you look at the artwork of Captain Marvel for the past 25 years and I'm a big comic book nut it's weird it's the only thing that I don't I see it and it catches my eye right off the bat how big her eyebrows are wow the big eyebrow controversy I'm going to go look at the picture now and go what the hell is he talking about I'm looking at the picture up front. Where is she on this thing? She's in the middle right, if I remember correctly, right by her on the LE Premium, right by her big wire form. Right by her big eyebrows. Yeah. Okay. They're big. It's big.
    17:30
    What's wrong with big eyebrows? I don't know. It distracts you from... Maybe it distracts you from... There's hair everywhere. Exactly. This is really weird. But, first thoughts, what are we thinking, guys? Black Widow's all right. Pepsi, Captain Marvel, anyway. She's right there. Where? I don't know if we're talking about the same part of the machine. No, it doesn't matter. And apart from the eyebrows, what do you think about the lovely yellow sparkly trim? The sparkly trim?
    18:06
    I don't like the yellow. I really don't like the yellow either. I think it's like, It glows. There it is. It's not yellow, it's gold. I would assume Zombie Yeti approved that color to fit in with his artwork, or do you think they just went, eh, you're getting it? I think they approved it. I think that he came up with that because in the comic book, Thanos' armor is partially yellow, not like what we were all used to in the movies.
    18:32
    Okay. So that's where I think the yellow came from. But some people were saying the LE and the premium artwork are the same, but they're not. They're, um... No, no, different colours. It's just a different... Different colours, yes. Yeah. It's the same colour, but it's just, you know, shaded differently. Hmm. The yellow will look okay in the room between the purple and the red. Yes. Which are both sparkly on the Stranger Things and the Deadpool. True. It will look good. So, are you telling me you actually ordered another Ellie? Oh. Maybe. Oh!
    19:05
    Ah! Mum doesn't need to know everything straight away. What happens on Slam Tilt Podcast stays on Slam Tilt Podcast. Until it airs.
    19:18
    But... We'll see. Congratulations. But it doesn't mean I'll get the LE, because there are very limited numbers sent to Australia, and I'm not sure how big the list was. Oh, yeah, that's right. You guys got to get on a list. Yeah. That's the one thing I feel like they left money on the table. with only 500 LEs. I think they could have done 750 and still sold them all out. Hmm. Yeah. I really do. Yeah. What did they do for Jurassic Park? I think it was 500 or 600. I think it was 500 also. The only time they've gone over is, what, let's say, Star Trek was $799, Star Wars was $800. With the Marvel fan base, oh, my God, I think they could have won $750. I think at this point, anything that Elwynn does, they should go over 500. I think so. I mean, they should have done that with Iron Maiden. They should have had 666. They should have had 666 LEs, period. Yeah. Yeah, because they sold out immediately. They sold out Jurassic Park immediately. This is sold out. Don't forget, they can change their mind like they did with Batman.
    20:28
    Yeah, I don't see it happening. I remember that. How much did they bump that up? From 12 to 66 or something? Yeah, something like that. But I don't see them doing it. Honestly, I wish they did.
    20:40
    They might. So the demand around the world is going to be so high, we'll bump it up to 750 and then pin's eye. People, who is Thanos? Clue me in. Is he like the bad guy? Thanos is a gentleman from Titan,
    20:58
    a planet that started to fail, let's say, 40 or 50 years, 60 years ago, from overpopulation, and his goal was to reduce the population by half, and he was deemed an animal and a mean guy, but he found out and did it anyway, and he goes to other planets and takes over worlds and kills half the population to make it easier for the rest of the people to live.
    21:25
    So he's a good guy. He's a good guy in some ways. Well, if you're one of the half that live, he's a good guy. Exactly. He's a great guy. So he now has a quest where he goes after infinity stones, which are six stones created at the beginning of the universe that helped create the universe. And they're the strongest things in the world. And he wants to have all six in a gauntlet, which is a big glove, created by one of the Asgardian, what's his name? I forget his name.
    22:02
    Thor, whatever. Yes, and he created it. And then after you get all six, you'll be able to snap his fingers and take away half the life in the universe. Okay. I would have trouble snapping my fingers with a gauntlet on. Yeah, I know. Especially with that much power on it, too. That's the only flaw in the story. You cannot snap your fingers with a metal gauntlet on your hand. Anyway, apart from that, it's all true. Is it? Wow. So an L.E. for Mr. John. Dr. John gets an L.E. I like this.
    22:34
    When you come over, you can play it. Yeah, I know. It's just hop, skip, and jump right away. I can come over and play it.
    22:42
    Ron, I have approval from the missus to possibly get a premium. Oh. Okay. Yeah, so that is kind of cool. So I think we're going to be maybe selling a game and getting this, because my wife is a humongous marble nut. I just have to hear the sounds. That's the one thing I'm fearing. sorry Stern I still have X-Men on my mind are you going to have Storm? oh god I don't want Storm that's what I'm afraid of I'm thinking they will get that out of their way but it's still always a nervous thing I'll wait for Jack's video which is coming out this Wednesday who's the Mark the British chap that's doing all the voices at the moment Mark Silk I wonder if he's involved I hope so shoot the center ramp shoot the center ramp. So what do you think of some of the new toys that you see on here? First, I love Keith bringing back the drop targets on their left-hand side. Well, first we've got to talk about the Pro is missing a ramp. Oh, it's the first time ever, I think, as Zach said, that a Pro Premium difference is taking away part of the function of the game. It makes it completely different. What about Game of Thrones?
    23:57
    Well, that was because of upper playfield. Yeah? That's a big difference. It is a big difference, but when Keith says that he planned and made the game about this ramp that's now missing on the Pro, that kind of makes you, wow, okay. But the Captain Marvel ramp is incredible. It looks like a roller coaster.
    24:22
    And on the Pro, it's the Captain Marvel spinner. So you get an extra spinner. But I'm looking at the Pro right now. Yeah, well, that's, yeah, but I'm talking about the LA Premier League. And then the... The Ringmaster thing doesn't pop up on the Pro. Nope, it does not pop up. You do not have the colorful, you don't see the subway moving and stopping the ball each time it gets locked and colorful. It's actually a solid... There's still a subway. Is there a subway in there? No, there doesn't go under. There will be no need for a subway because the thing doesn't lift up. Am I the only one scared about how Stern's going to build this so that subway stays clear and intact? No.
    25:07
    Yeah, you don't know when the place builds. I'm more worried about that thing lifting up. Yeah. That's like a little thin metal rod that's holding it, and you have a flipper right there pounding it. Well, that thing's going to get bent over time, getting hit over and over again. Because if you remember, the Ringmaster had a little spring thing around it. Yeah. So when you hit it, it took most of the steam out of it. Plus, there wasn't a flipper that close to it. No. True. This one, unlike Keith's first two games where you could just argue, the pro is good enough. When you see the difference between the pro and the premium LE on this,
    25:45
    you've got to go for premium LE. You have to. Unless you're a location. Yeah. But even location, boy, it does take a lot away. It's a little different too. And the Pimlock on the right side is really different as well. Yep. Wow. I really can't see.
    26:07
    I couldn't. I think it's worth the money. The upgrade. Yeah, the upgrade. I really do. So I'll scroll down to the premium play field. Of course. That's what I always look at. Oh, yeah, of course you do. And I see big game.
    26:24
    Yes, I see big game. And a little bit of cheetah. Yeah, the grid. The grid. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. The grid is the best part. Keith has the classic stern influence. Always. Because he said, he already said on, I think it was, yeah, Jurassic Park, some of the spinner rules are based off of nine ball. Yes. This is a bingo card that's based off of, well, big game and cheetah. Although I'm sure there's games with grids before big game and cheetah, but, I mean, when you look at this thing, it looks like big game. Yeah, I know. But you actually see it being hit. You're like, oh, my God! And that's lit by the drop targets, isn't it? Complete. Yeah, you complete. It's going to be bouncing around, yeah. So then once you hit one, it locks, I think, the row in. It locks the row. Walking dead. Yeah. Yeah, this week in pinball, hi, Jeff. They have a rundown of the game with as much of the rules that are known at this point.
    27:22
    And Ryan, see you'll be happy. I see the cards, the apron cards are custom. They're not just plain yellow. Yep. Yeah, put that in the strides of things, too. I like the skill shot in the back also, which is like Elvira and a throwback to Funhaus all the way in the back middle. This has an action button. Is this the first Elwynn game with an action button? Well, no, it isn't. What did I say? Jurassic Park has an action button. Yes. Yeah, just shoot the smart missile. Yeah, that's all. Yeah, so hopefully it's something little and easy, but there's a lot of stuff packed on this play field. Three flippers. What do you think of the attractive gauntlet? Do you think the mod community will work on that pretty quickly? Oh, yeah, I think so, definitely. What's the gauntlet? The upper right-hand side of the play field where you see Phantasm. The big yellow thing. The big yellow thing? The thing that looks like a school bus yellow? Yes. That will probably change, yeah. Yeah. No, it was supposed to be gold, but it was supposed to be metallic. Yeah, but it's not.
    28:27
    And then we have the new ramp that's accessible for all three flippers. Yes. On innovation. It is an innovation. Well, unless you have the homebrew Sonic Playfield that also has it.
    28:42
    Did you see that little conversation? No, I have not. Yeah. The guy has a homebrew Sonic game where he has the same thing. He has the ramp that's accessible from all the flippers.
    28:52
    And he was posting on Pinside, like, hey, he took my idea. Well, Keith basically said, yeah, this play field was done like a year and a half ago. So, basically, unless he had it done then, you didn't rip anything off. Yeah. And he's already on number four, I think he said. Four is done. Play field is done.
    29:14
    Davidson Butthead is done. I can't wait. Cannot wait. And some guy got his name on the high scores I saw. Who? Or on the air. Oh, Mr. Teolis. Teolis is the action button champion. Yeah.
    29:29
    His score is 0-0. It is 0-0. So the first person that gets it is going to win. Keith also said, and I think this was a joke, he said the permanent second place on the leaderboard will always be JLS, Josh Sharp. Like, no matter what you do, that will always be second place? Yes.
    29:50
    I think he was kidding. I think he was kidding, too. So what do you think of the spinner? You know, the directional spinner slash raised-up pop bumper for the LE Premium? It's a combination of stuff. I mean, that's like an old EM toy. There's a lot of EMs that have the same exact, the little disc with the thing on it. And it detects, yeah, text direction, and then it becomes the Ringmaster back and pops up. Yes. for DLE. It's like a combination of two different ideas that have existed. It looks cool. I'm more into the whole that vertical ball lock thingy on the left. What do they call it? The very target or very something.
    30:29
    Yeah. The cool terminology, the marketing terminology. I should have it in front of me. Where is it? It had cool text and everything on it. Things like the interactive Doctor Strange spinning kinetic sling ring disc with dual direction velocity detection.
    30:50
    Doesn't that make it sound like the coolest thing you've ever heard? That one. Yes. No, it didn't. Watch it in action. Yeah, and then the tower is the Avenger Tower with magnetic lock ramp. Yep. Gravitational very target.
    31:03
    Where's the very target part? Hmm. Interesting. Yeah, I don't know. Different levels. it probably goes to different levels because there's at least three different spaces on it. We've got a drop target behind the spinner.
    31:19
    This is going to be really exciting for our listeners. All these pictures they can't see. Again, these pictures are all at This Week in Pinball and you can also go to CERN's YouTube where... And watch the videos. Yeah, that's probably one of the better... And we posted the videos on Slam Tilt podcast. And we had the trailer and then when they came up with all the videos. They had a all-encompassing video of all the models, and they had a premium LE specific, a pro specific, and then the topper, well, it was actually the accessories specific. Probably one of the best, almost complete rollouts I can remember. Yeah. But it's as exciting as sitting in my car trying to listen to the latest of all Chronicles, talking about pinball art.
    32:02
    Oh, yeah. That was hard. We try. I know. I'm going to delay it until I can click the links as you're talking, but that's all right. So I am probably in for a premium. I've got to hear it and sing it. We're going to watch it Wednesday, me and Kat. Good. And Ron, when are you getting yours? No, no, no, no. No, because he doesn't like the theme. He doesn't know the theme. That's not true. I have a Deadpool. I'm not a comic book guy, and I have a Deadpool, because Deadpool is a silly idiot. It's perfect. It's just the whole game is silly. I love it. It's my lethal weapon free sets abilities. Just if it's goofy or trashy, I'm in. Cool. So should we be upset as LE purchasers that we're not getting a shooter knob and topper automatically? What, for $600 your topper? Well, have they announced the price? Yes, they have. $600 US. Better than $1,000 for Elvira. $1,000 for Elvira topper, which... Oh, there's an Elvira topper? Is this new? Yes. The day after, they released the pictures and the pricing for all this. So the Elvira Topper picture came out, and it's $1,000. Wait a minute. So it's more than Star Wars. Yes. Does it move? Does it, like, do something? We don't know. They didn't show an action picture. All they showed was a still shot.
    33:28
    Yeah. $1,000. Okay. the Avengers one looks like it just lights up the Avengers. Yeah, and it's $600. Yeah, it's kind of like, didn't Game of Thrones kind of do that? It had the houses and it lit up. Yeah, different houses. Yeah, so they're basically just doing that. But the thing is, we all know where this is going, and this is going to be a bitch of mine. Oh, boy. You're going to probably get an extra mood with this because you're paying the $600. Yeah. But I'm sorry. Pay to play, baby. As John says, if you're paying $9,100 or $9,200 for an LE, give me the F and top or any extra mode. Sorry. Yep. That makes it an LE. You're the premium guy. Now, if somebody has to pay extra for the $600, I don't think an LE guy will feel so bad because guess what? He got it with his. That's part of the LE experience and more money thing. what are you getting different on an LE you're getting different yellow llama a back glass different art same art different coloring then it's different art it's not really what it is you're really going to go there you get a back glass and a speaker upgrade and you get the autograph from Keith and from something else you guys keep forgetting Art Blades. In the off-light. They're custom Art Blades, and they look awesome. And they're only... I've seen a Deadpool LE, and I was jealous of the Art Blades, because they look better than the premium one. The ones that I have on my premium. And it's like, damn it, where do I get those? Oh, you can't. Those are LE only. Womp womp. See? Well, we can't be like spooky, you know. You just get the topper. Yeah. But, yeah, I don't know. I think they should be giving the LE people the option or make it half price or quarter price. You know, you're spending this much money. I think we have to get to the model of Spooky with Stern, where you can customize each machine when you order it.
    35:45
    Yeah, not cognitively. Oh, cognitive. Not cognitively. Wouldn't that be a pain, though? That just seems – it's easier for Spooky because they're not selling as many. I know, but guess what? Can you imagine you go to their website? Yeah, I want the LE art, but I want the pro play feel for whatever reason. I don't know why you want that. You do get a shaker motor with the LE, too. You just add all this stuff in? I don't. But wait a second. If it's installed from the factory, gets tested from the factory, it would be easier for Stern and cheaper to say, ooh. Well, if it gets tested from the factory, you mean like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles diverters? No, I'm just saying the cheapness of... Ooh, what a burn. You didn't even acknowledge that. No, because I didn't acknowledge it. It's such a fast, meaty, edible thing, it's not even worth it. It's not even worth it? The two hours it takes you to take it apart to fix it, if you have to fix yours? No, not me, because I've never bought a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, so I'm good on that. Well, at least I don't have to do it.
    36:45
    I don't have to fix it. If I don't have to fix it, guess what? For those at home, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle LEs, when they came out, a lot of them had issues with the little diverter that they're using to get the balls into the turtle van. And I guess the fix was they just simply forgot to put Loctite on screws and stuff. But you have to take the whole thing apart to do so, which they send instructions out. And I guess it takes a while to take this thing apart. Yes, it does.
    37:11
    All right, so Bruce is in. Well, unless the sounds are the worst thing ever. Unless the sounds are worse than X-Men. Or the woman from 24 is on there saying, Jackpot! Jackpot! Actually, no, I would actually prefer her over Storm. Wow. Yes. Well, what does Storm say? Refresh my memory. Hear me now! I am Storm!
    37:34
    Oh, this is terrible. Yeah, remember, I've only played the game, well, actually, you had it. I had it. I loved it. That was a long time ago, but the only other times I played it or it shows, Listen, I can't hear these awesome storm call-outs everyone keeps talking about. Oh, God. So, Ron's not in because he just hates Keith. You heard that, guys. Yay! And so is Keith. See, I would, I don't know, I still like Iron Maiden. I think it's a repeatable loop shot.
    38:04
    I just hit that a few times, and I want to keep playing. I don't know, I'm easy to please. Give me a repeatable loop shot, and I'm happy. We know Mr. Clawson's in for the L.A., hopefully. Now, wait a sec. John, if you don't get an LE... I'll get the premium. Okay, good boy. We've just got to wait another four months.
    38:22
    That's all. The summer time is not a bad thing. Exactly, then the plugs are all done. Yeah, when they're learning to build them. Correct. Yeah, like you get a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles premium, I'm guessing your diverter will probably work better. Yes. Like it'll have the Loctite it should have had on it to begin with. People are getting premiums, and they have no problems. Well, I saw some tournament in Germany, and they had a premium, like one of the first ones. Like, these guys get everything first. Yes, they do. But, so, I think this looks pretty good. And how about the other upcoming games? We have, well, is it not going to be Guns N' Roses? Is it going to be Guns N' Roses? Guns N' Roses, yep. Definitely Guns N' Roses.
    39:03
    It's just so weird to me. It goes against all of Jersey Jack's previous family-friendly games. But remember, it's not run by Jersey Jack anymore. It's a business now. Hey, we're going to run it as a business. Make some money. It's the father-son team there. Yep. Actually, John is the correspondent. He's the shit correspondent. Is that correct?
    39:25
    In the nicest possible way. Yeah, what does that mean? Explain to our listeners, what is the shit correspondent? So the anagram was from Spooky and Haggis Industry Talk. I don't know why I came up with that, but I report on Spooky Pinball and Haggis Pinball for the pinball show on the Pinball Network. Dun, dun, dun.
    39:50
    Emily, what do you think of Avengers? Oh, I like it, yes. Are you happy you're getting it? Yes, Mum won't be, but I'm happy. Mum won't be. I love that she always goes back to Mum. Mum not into Marvel? Yes. All right, you've played Jurassic Park and you've played Iron Maiden. What do you think of Keith's games versus, say, the Gomez or the Richies?
    40:16
    I know. You can be honest. I understand well the rules for Gomez ones much easier but I haven really been told Keith rules in decks that much because we don have the game Well yeah we owned Iron Maiden We owned Iron Maiden so yes I know that But I think yeah the other ones are easier GoMessage, Keith's are more in depth, I think, with... With scoring. You see, Emily's main... What people need to realise is I'll come down to my games room and go, right, today I'm going to aim to get to the wizard mode for Batman or Deadpool or something. I say to Emily, do you want to come down and do Deadpool? and she'll go, no, not listed in the competition on where I can win money. So all Emily's focus is on competition. It's not. It is. You don't play games for fun. No, I do play games for fun, but I also don't do it for the wizard mode because I just don't know games that complex. I only know the basic rules to get a high score. The basic rules to get a high score. So she knows enough to beat you. Yes. Yeah, well. Ron, did you hear a bus actually run over somebody there?
    41:23
    Ron, were you in the Classics pre-tournament? No, that was a mistake, actually. You should have. I went a day too late. I arrived while it was going on. Did you see the final results? What do you mean? Josh Sharp finishing second? Yeah. Who finished fifth out of the 100 and whatever? She may be next to you.
    41:47
    Correct. Emily got a fifth place. So I don't know the rules that well, but just enough to beat everybody. No, people told me the basic rules, and then I could do it. Who's people? I don't know.
    42:00
    She's got a pretty good coach. Yep. Not me. I'll do a mini rant here. So this game is shown, and I'm hearing a lot of, look how diverse Keith is. This is his third game. All his games are completely different, et cetera, you know, unlike the other designers, you know, who just keep doing the same thing over and over and et cetera, et cetera. Really? Yeah. Is he going to push the other designers to innovate, to do more stuff because, you know, look at his designs, et cetera, et cetera. And I'll throw this out there. My guy, Steve Ritchie, right, he shows up at Williams. He does Flash. Next game he does, he does Stellar Wars. which is nothing like Flash. Then he does Firepower, which is nothing like Stellar Wars or Flash. Then he does Black Knight, which is nothing like Firepower, Stellar Wars or Flash. Then he does Hyperball, which is like nothing on the planet that's ever been made. Then he does High Speed, that's nothing like the previous games he did. And then he does F-14. But what I'm saying is... You've got to remember, there's only so much stuff you can do on the playfield, and And, you know, Steve got at least seven, eight, nine games in before he started. You know, I'll put that five bank on the left like I like it. You know, I'll put those three targets in the center like I like it. You know, I'll put the bell slash T2 head slash, you know, insert whatever here, right here. You know, and then when he decided like, okay, I'll make something totally different, and he does World Poker Tour, everyone shit on it and hated the game and it didn't sell. and it became a sleeper hit later but I didn't know anything when it came out everyone was like this isn't a Steve Virtue game this is nothing like a Steve Virtue game are you trying to rubbish Keith or support Steve? Support my guy Steve I'm saying it's like he's done three games and Keith has said like his whole goal is to make every game is different he wants every game to be very super unique I mean and there are designers that have done that the one that can't be mentioned. Yeah, but he was kind of known for that. None of his games are completely different all over the map. I think that's kind of what he was going for. Well, Papa Duke is long plastic ramps.
    44:26
    And really pretty games. And his best game was still his first game. Yeah. So who's the safest? John Borg?
    44:35
    No. That's consistency. Was he? Yeah, he does go for two ramps always lately, you know. The two in lanes? Yeah. It's still good. I mean, if you play Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the whole top left of the game is Tron. Yeah. It is literally, when I looked at it, I'm like, this is Tron. The ramp's in the same place. The turtle van is where the Korra shot was. It's definitely faster than Tron. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Okay. What about Bolsa? What about Joe Bolsa? He does it. Oh, Ron's favorite designer of all time. Oh, one guy. He does completely different things, but they don't play good.
    45:12
    Well, I don't understand his problem with side ramps because he did Baywatch, which has a nice side ramp, a really nice one. But that was it. I mean, you got Simpsons. I didn't even know there was a side ramp until I just mistakenly hit it once, and it went over there, and then it popped up on the top. It's playing great, so go get off that subject. No, I'm not getting off that subject. Oktoberfest. That is bad. Yes, the Steve Ritchie shot, and it doesn't work. The left orbit that comes around to the upper right flipper that you're supposed to be able to hit up side ramp. I've told this story a zillion times. I played in a group of four, and we said, like, okay, let's play a game and see if anyone can hit the side ramp. And we played for 45 minutes. We had one side ramp hit. But was that before the software fixed? That was after. Well, plus it has the magnet or the thing in front of it that stopped the ball. Defeat it to you, and no one could hit it still. It's terrible. I will say that because I played it this past week, and oh, my God. However, Hot Wheels plays good. See? I just, oh, God. Bruce doesn't, okay. Okay. Well, we'll get to that in a few minutes. Let's go through the rest of the game. So we see there's a new game out by the P3, which was just released.
    46:24
    I forget the name of it exactly. So hold on. It is Ranger in the Ruins. That's right. It's developed by Nick Ballridge. It was released a couple days ago, so we're already out two games in less than seven days in this month.
    46:43
    I've not seen it myself, but I've heard some okay things about it, so that's great. Congratulations to P3 having another game. It's a good thing. Now we have two more games possibly coming out. We have the Deep Root, hopefully. If Deep Root does not put anything out this month, I almost got to say, like, wow, this is good. You guys are supposed to be prepared for it by March. March, if COVID didn't happen, March was your release date, and now it's September. Well, we know the game. Well, games. I think it's going to be games. You think it's going to be more than one? Because we know it's Retro Atomics on the Adventureland. That 100%. That's one. Yeah, we know one, but you think there's going to be more? I think there's going to be two. John's shaking his head. He doesn't think there's going to be more. He doesn't think so? Really? After like three years, you're not going to have anything else? If they don't, they're behind the eight ball then. But surely they're not going to make the mistake of the announcement and then the six-month wait before it's available to buy. Do you think they'll actually manufacture the second? He says four games he wants to have out, and he's way behind the curve now. You can blame COVID. Yeah. No, well, you can't blame COVID, because I was going to go to March for the five days of Deep Root, which was last year, not this year. I know. He keeps on delaying and delaying and how much more can he I know he's got plenty of money and that's, you know but he was shitting on everybody that they didn't know how to make stuff and now he's proving that he can't either. He was my pro wrestling promo. Yeah, remember? Yeah.
    48:15
    That's how rememberable it was. All the other money fractures, what's up dude? We're going to show you Now it's done, brother. We're going to have a play field hit with a hammer. No damage at all, dude. Yep. But we're still waiting. And he's got so many defenders. I can feed him to it. It's like, oh, here's our hammer. Boom. Did you see the T-shirt contest from Deeproot? No. No? You had to send a quote to Robert on who said dimpling's acceptable on a pinball play field. and for every quote that he received, whether it be media, Facebook, pinball, designer, whatever, you got a free Hammer Test Deep Root T-shirt for the first 50 people.
    49:00
    So if I said Steve Ritchie said dimpling storm, which he did, everyone would have sent him 100 of them.
    49:06
    I don't know where all the other quotes come from, but it was a pretty T-shirt. Had a hammer on it. but we still don't know if it's really what it is. He said wood. He said we care about the quality of our wood so much, as you do. Oh, my. Pardon me.
    49:24
    But I've been to Damien's factory. I've hit his playfield with a large hammer made of the, not perspex, but whatever acrylic it is he uses, and it doesn't dimple. So, yeah, that boats hell. But he says it's purely going to be hardwood.
    49:39
    Yeah, well, the problem is I don't know. So how do I know this if you don't see the product? Until I see it, you know, it's been five months since March. I'm sorry, six months now. When are we going to see some stuff from this company? Well, being that they're doing the whole website thing there, they've got the green fist in there now. I don't know what that means.
    50:07
    Is Hulk defected? No, apparently someone said it's the protagonist from Raza. Yeah, the nuclear waste, that kind of thing, yeah. All right. And then we have Guns N' Roses. It's not Toy Story? They're not fooling us? No, they're not fooling us. It's Guns N' Roses. Okay. Do you have any interest in that? I don't. I don't either. I mean, you had one. I had one. I had the original, and it was okay. Me, I'd rather have Avengers by the theme. The theme seems more fun to me. If it was a different theme with this game, no, I'd still be probably going for the gameplay on Avengers, you know, or if it was a different theme. Do we think it's going to be a wide body or conventional size? I think the new factory is going to be from now on, let's go conventional, Let's keep it going and just be done with this wide-body stuff. I think Pat Lawler has so much control now, bringing their factory all the way out to Chicago, doing all this other stuff. I think he's got a lot of – So wait a minute. You're saying Pat Lawler is the one that brought him out to Chicago? I think so. Really?
    51:23
    Yeah. Really? You think he has that much power? Who's the one that changed him over to the narrow-body? He didn't change him over. His were narrow-bodies. Everyone else were wide-bodies. Oh, no. He did not. He stated in I did not want to make another wide body. He stated that, and that's why Jersey Jack. Well, yeah, they acquiesced to him because it's Pat Waller. Yeah, exactly. But you're saying because of him, now they're all going to be narrow bodies.
    51:48
    Really? I have a funny feeling it's going to be that way. Okay. I mean, for cost production, everything else, I think once they're done with these machines that they're building, I think it's all going to be regular standard. I mean, I know he's the reason they moved the crap back into the back box because he said so. So unless he was lying about himself because he said that during one of the reveals that I was at that I had to move all the crap in the body back to the head where it belongs. That's what he actually said. So I know, unless he was lying, that he's the one who said that. I think he has a lot of power in that company. I really do. Alright. So it's going to be a regular size. Yes. What do you think? I'll agree. Like we said earlier, it's now being run as a business. I mean, Jack ran it as a dream, and that's why we ended up with the fantastic game that was Wizard of Oz. And we'll stop there.
    52:46
    And now that it's been taken over as a business, and it started, as they said on that interview, on the Jersey Jack podcast, they turned the corner and now they're making a profit. And that took, what, five games, of which the last two were standard body, rather narrow. Silly people. So I think they're going to do regular cabinets from now on. The economy scale is much better. So who's designing this one?
    53:12
    Oh, it's Eric. Guns and Roses, that's Eric. Okay. Well, it's never been officially announced. Everyone's just saying it like it's like, oh, yeah, well, it's going to be here. Isn't it? I thought it had. And then Toy Story. No, it hasn't been officially announced. And then Toy Story is definitely being smaller.
    53:28
    Yeah. Let's just see what Eric does, because I was there at the Pirates, like behind you, the original reveal, and Eric talked some shit. I mean, he talked some shit. He basically called out Stern indirectly, unlike other manufacturers, in one of those kind of comments. And I was like, I'm liking this guy. He's, you know, the pro wrestling fan in me, because he's basically cutting a promo on Stern saying they suck, and they unveiled this game. The problem is the main thing they were plugging is, look at our cool multi-spinning disc and all this stuff. And they even had it at their booth, the spinning disc mech, you know, the coolest thing ever. And then they had to cost it out. And then they had to cost the other thing out, the trunk. And then they cut production short. So, I mean, was it really a huge success? I mean, sure, after no one could get it, now everyone wants it again. Yeah. And as Keith Johnson said, like, where were you guys before? Yeah. I mean, the whole reason they cut it short is because it wasn't selling. Now everyone wants it. It's like, where were you before? Yeah. That's the trouble with early announcements. Don't announce a game a year before it's ready. Oh, yeah. Because the hype train will die out. It really will. Or you unveil Hobbit and everyone hates the art, so you have to change it. But that's the problem with Jersey Jack. He listens too much to the customer.
    54:45
    Look what he did with Hobbit. Look what he did with other games, you know. He listens a little too much. I think you've got to say, this is it. This is my game. Instead of going back to the drawing board, taking apart stuff. If you don't like it, make your own mods. Exactly. Yeah. Make your own guy. Yeah, exactly. That's the way you have to look at it. But Jersey Jack has to step up production faster now. If they don't, they're going to be left behind in some ways. I know they've got plenty of money also and that kind of stuff, but they have to, when they announce Guns N' Roses, it needs to be ready to ship within two to three weeks. I hate to say it. They cannot wait another five or six months to get a game out. And they need to have a presentation where Splash is there and does a guitar solo at the reveal or something. I mean, there's no reason that can't happen. Nope. It'll be good.
    55:40
    Do we count Hot Wheels as a new game as well, or is it old has-been now? It's actually old has-been now in some ways. Oh. How long has it been out since? Before COVID. Yeah. They've been selling it. They've been selling like hotcakes, everyone says, which you do see them. I've seen two on location. They showed one of them before COVID, Bruce, like at a show. It wasn't... Oh, yeah, with the spinny, spinny round-round car. The spinny, spinny round-round car. I thought it shot good. It's good sitting right here next to us. Yeah, I was like, this is ball, sir, are you sure? Yeah, it's a great game. It's a good... When I say great game, it's their best game. It's their best game. Oh, yes. 100%. By far. And the challenge they're doing at the moment is killing us.
    56:23
    I love that challenge. because I can actually follow it. You're trying to do it. You get these gooses like Asher and Kyle breaking one minute. The challenge is you basically start a race and you have to hit 12 shots to finish the race and it'll show your time. Like you finished in so many minutes or, well, you're really going to play in like one minute or seconds. Yeah. But everyone's streaming this all over the place and I can actually follow it. It's like the simplest rules ever. and it takes like a minute to try it. Two minutes, whatever, you fail, you just try again, try again, try again, try again. Yep. I love it. It's almost like one of those head-to-head challenge things, but just you're head-to-heading against everyone in the entire world, basically. Yep. And next week's challenge is the highest score defeating the triceratops.
    57:16
    There's freaking dinosaurs in it. I love it. It's a bigger integration, I'll say that. I played one that had the shaker. I will say that the shaker is pretty cool. Oh, wait a minute. So you played it, Bruce? I played a lot of games on location this week. Ooh, okay. What do you think of Hot Wheels? The problem was two things. First, as you're complaining, Ron, most people who get this game don't set it up right because they don't increase the power to the flippers. Oh, yeah, too floaty. It's too floaty or too weak. a second thing, the animations are pretty lame. They really are. That's the point, though. There's a lot of chicken. I know, it's a cheesy point, but guess what? I don't want cheesy on a six-pack. I do. I think it was great. I love it. I don't want a six-pack. To me, that's a pure opinion right there. To me, that's one of my things I like about it. The shots, they're still a little too tight. They don't need this many shots on a play field if they're too tight. This is the problem with American pinball. It just seems like Houdini, really super tight.
    58:24
    Let's open him up a little bit. And they opened him up a little bit in Oktoberfest, because I got to play that twice in two different places.
    58:33
    And the third game, you know, it's still a little tight. That left, the left shots, I think either they could have opened him up a little more and made it. You want to make a game fun and shootable. and that game, which is based off Hot Wheels, is speed and cars. And it just doesn't seem like I can get repeatable or, you know, fun wow shots. The outer orbit, great. I can hit that all day. Just the middle, the end of the right of the left orbit is a little tight. You are getting old, Bruce. I mean, maybe your accuracy just isn't there anymore. Maybe that's... Once you dial it in, it really goes fast. And I admit, it takes a little while to get that in a loop done, but they are very gettable. If you watch Carl on IE Pinball, Oh, I've watched Carl on IE Pinball. I've seen him miss a lot. I actually watched Escher's stream, too. It took him three hours to beat the one time. And even he was having trouble hitting these shots. And it's like, they've got to be narrow if he's not hitting them every time. They're a little too tight. They're pretty tight. But I had fun playing it. The only thing I'd say is I know they made a big deal that, you know, all RGB lighting, which is cool, but you need some GI. You need some kind of illumination because I had trouble seeing things when I was playing that at someone's house, especially some of the modes where it gets dark. It doesn't have – and it was right next to Turtles, which has tons of illumination. So it was very noticeable.
    60:05
    I played it. You walked over fast. I'm shaking. Nope, I can see everything fine. It's good. No, no, actually, I've got external magnetic lighting on mine. Oh, okay. I played two Oktoberfests, and actually it wasn't that bad, except for the right ramp shot. I totally agree with you, Ron. I will state with you. But the modes were kind of cheesy fun, but funny. I actually thought they were pretty good.
    60:33
    Would I buy one? No, never. But it was okay. It was actually, I thought, in my mind, I felt Oktoberfest was a little more fun than Hot Wheels. You're high. Fun. You're high. Fun. No. Did you get to the one-handed be a holding mode? Yes. Oh, nice. And that was cool. That's different. That's how I like that part. I played Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Oh, God. Okay, here we go. Yes.
    61:00
    Did not like it at all. Wow. Okay. It wasn't really fun for me. I didn't, honestly, I've watched all these videos, and I still didn't know what was going on in the game playing it. No one does. Yeah, it's kind of, that's really lacking. No one knows where the scoring is. Yeah. I've played against people and done literally the same thing, and they slaughtered me, and even my opponent couldn't figure out, like, what exactly did I do to get way more points than you? I have no idea. Yeah. I played a big Lebowski on location. That actually is better. It's getting better. The rules are better. The DMD animation's got a lot better. Oh, really? Yeah, they actually cleaned them up a lot. It's not as... I would say the old, original version is, like, gritty. Like, you looked at the display and it looked gritty. They smoothed them out a lot. So I was really impressed with that. It played pretty good. Would I buy one? Of course not. Not with that, you know. I think that had more of a stigma on it, that game, than any of John Trudeau's games. So the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, were you able to hit the side ramp? Once, and then way past. And I could not loop it.
    62:19
    Were you confused when he said, shoot, the center ramp? Yeah, I was. What's the center ramp? No, it's the side ramp. Side ramp. Yeah, but it's just so, I was not impressed. Honestly, once I put my dollar in it, I was like. But it's funny. I'd rather go back to Hot Wheels. And that's how it's going to be.
    62:38
    Shut up. You said to ramp. Yeah. The theme does nothing for me. I like winter. You just talk like that the whole game. Yeah. The theme does nothing for me. I played another Stranger Things. I played a pro. Yeah, but the pro is useless. The pro is useless.
    62:55
    The pro is a drive-in theater without any movie being played. You go up to see a blank screen. It's literally a blank screen. It's useless. And then I got to play a Radical, and I was happy. Oh, God. You were thrashing me. I do love Radical. I like the person going back to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles that suggested that Stern release the Black Knight topper with Shredder's head on it. I do. Yes. That would be good. Yes. I think moving and taunting you, that would probably be a better thing than playing the game.
    63:25
    Oh. Wow. So, yeah, so games. That was cool. I got to play on location, though, two different places. One was close to you, Ron, in Vermont. Oh, was that the pastime pinball? Yeah, pastime I went to. And it was nice. It was very clean, very... Which I've never been to, and it's like an hour, hour and a half from you. It's only an hour and a half from you, but it's close.
    63:50
    A lot of new games, a lot of older games. They had almost every WPC. So that was kind of cool. You got to play all the classics and that kind of stuff. I even call them classics now because WPC is, what, now 30 years old. Did they have a Johnny Mnemonic? They did. Oh, okay. So there you go.
    64:11
    And then I used to play a Pocketeer, for that was the other one I played at this past week. Pocketeer? So you were in Buffalo? I was in Buffalo. I was dropping off a game for rental. Okay. So you're renting games, Bruce? I am renting games. I have three rented out this month, so come on out. If you want to rent a game from me, come and get one. If you want to buy a game from me, I am selling my Rushes. They're on eBay right now. How do I get a hold of you, Bruce, if I want to rent or buy said games? You can contact us at SlimZillPodcast, or you can contact me on Facebook. You can even contact me through Silver Ball Saloon still. Okay. So you can definitely. That would be good. Will we buy or will we not buy that coming up on eBay then? Oh, there's a lot of them I have in the back section of the show today. I have a lot of them. The back section? Oh, my. Okay.
    65:02
    How many shows have been canceled this week? Oh, you mean pinball shows? Yeah. Should we be getting into next year at this point? We're almost because it's four and a half. One just got added yesterday from our list. Okay. What was canceled, Bruce? First, we have Expo. Expo has been canceled. Expo is not canceled. They're virtual. Yeah, virtual, which is canceled. Well, okay.
    65:30
    Kalamazoo, which was delayed from April, they canceled it finally. York got canceled. Pinvasion got canceled.
    65:42
    What was it called? What's the one in Atlanta? The Atlanta Pinball Show. There you go. I know, but it's called something else. It's called the Southern Atlanta Pinball Show. Yeah, Southern Pride, what's it called? Game Expo. Yeah, Game Expo. There you go. That got canceled. And then Freeplay Florida, you know, what we were used to with Freeplay Florida has been toned down. They announced that yesterday where they're actually doing, instead of the big hall, they're doing little arcade areas now. So arcades around the area are going to be easy to go there. Yeah, because Florida is one of those we don't care states. A hot spot, hot spot. They're also one of those we don't care. We'll shoot you if you were wearing a mask. No, that's Texas. I'm sorry. That's Texas. Which show went virtual? Which one was announced as a virtual show?
    66:33
    Expo is going virtual. Yeah. So that'll be the first Expo I haven't been to since 2004. No, you'll be to it if you go. If I go to the virtual, yeah, I guess so. That doesn't count. That's lame. So lame. I mean, the question is, when does shows start getting canceled from next year? I think it's going to come up soon, because now you're already talking. There are no shows really in December. So your next show is going to be in this game. That's not happening. I don't think they officially announced it, but Carl pretty much announced it. Carl, really? If Carl is saying, like, no, unless there's a vaccine, we're not doing it, then that means it's canceled. Yep. So then now the next one after that is Texas again. That's. I don't see it happening. No, but the thing is, it's Texas. Yeah, but they're a little more hardcore. It's like, John, are you going to fly 12,000 miles to possibly get COVID and go to a pinball show? No.
    67:33
    Exactly. So there's a lot of people that come over for that show. Yeah, I can see them having it, but no one showing up. Yeah. The problem is, if you have two years in a row where that happens, that could kill the show. It's going to be. That could be it. you go from like the number one pinball show on the planet to it doesn't exist anymore after that would be sad you can't trust me bars do that too yeah we know but uh so now after that show march now you're talking april again may with allen town allen town it's we're already you know you're already thinking along those lines these shows don't take a month or two to get prepped up they're already in the prep stages for next year we play FX, I can't see how you're going to have thousands of people in a convention hall.
    68:22
    It's getting to the point where we're now going, hmm. There needs to be a vaccine. If there's a vaccine, they'll go ahead. That's all. No, but the problem with this is, hold on, what if you're one of these non-vacciner people? You don't have to go. The problem is you're going to have people who have not had vaccines and will go. Well, here's the thing. do you really want to get a vaccine from something that you know they've been rushing out that they probably haven't thoroughly tested in any way? Hey, I bite pinballs all the time. And every corporation is trying to come up with something. I mean, you're going to get a vaccine and then get fucking cancer or some shit.
    69:01
    What's that movie with Will Smith that started as a vaccine? Yeah, that's the zombie. My legend. I am legend.
    69:13
    That's what's happening. We've got zombies. But I'm actually serious. I don't trust any of these. I mean, everyone's rushing to try to come up with it first so they can get money. Hey, we haven't heard anything bad from Russia yet, have we? Anything bad from Russia? Unless you're in the opposition. Yeah, exactly. Russia supposedly put out a vaccine, what, a month ago now? Oh, okay. Yep. I've been to all of it. Yep. I wonder if Stu's had it done. Ah, possibly. Maybe. I have to ask him. Maybe I have to ask him. Yeah.
    69:46
    So, yeah, four and a half shows. Who knows what the next show is going to be we actually can go to. It's just not looking good for getting out and about. So please support your places that are local. If you can, safely support them. If you can't, support them financially if you can. Buy a gift card. Buy merch. Buy anything. Help ReplayFX out. Buy merch. I got my sweatshirt and my T-shirt. this past couple of weeks.
    70:17
    We've still got our hotel booking for next year, haven't we, Emily? Yep. I don't think we'll be there. I know, it sucks. It really does. It's scary.
    70:28
    It's not worth your life for over pinball, but... Yes, it is. But you do miss it. You do miss it. You really do miss it. But yeah. I want to give a shout out to the Loser Kid Podcast and And who's Orby? What's his podcast? A little bit. Yeah. They were both very nice. Pinball Nerds. Pinball Nerds, yes. Both of those guys. They gave nice shout-outs to us, again, about the Silver Bowl closing. And I think we had some good reviews about our last guest, don't you think, Ron? We did. I was very, very happy with her. I'm always happy with her because she's my wife. But, you know, she really did well. A lot of good comments and a lot of good, she's better than me. I'm out of here. See you later, guys.
    71:21
    Stop it, Paul. Michael's Paul. Bruce O'Cat. I think I'm losing definitely every time. Well, it doesn't matter if you get kicked out of here. You have your own gig now, right? You're on the Super Awesome Pinball Show. I was on the Super Awesome Pinball Show. I was trying for that second podcast like you do. but I think maybe there's going to be another one already you're on another podcast I'm going to be eventually you're going to be eventually yep it's in the planning stages oh wait a minute so this is a new one yes oh not just a guest no not just a guest so we know he doesn't have to edit it so it's going to have to be someone else who's doing it who will do the editing. Yep.
    72:12
    Kenaida. Oh, God, no. I'm going to have to shoot myself right in my junk all day long. Is it anyone I know, Bruce? Yes, it is somebody I know. Really? Because the one person I know that might do it would never edit it. Yep. Then we're going to have wacky guests on and regular guests, but we're also going to talk about regular life and everything like that, too. So it's going to be – I have the name. The name is already up, so we already have the Facebook page for it. Oh, but it's hidden or something? It is hidden. Oh, okay. It is not ready to be released or even talked about yet. For those who listen to the podcast and say, like, you know, this act that Bruce and Ron do, or they act like they don't know what each other's doing and all that, no, this is 100% true. I have no clue what he's talking about. This is literally the first I've heard of it. Yeah, and the funny thing is John today or yesterday, you know, was like, Hey, do we have a list of before the podcast, you know, what we're going to talk about on the show? And what do you think I told them, Ron? Uh, no. You guys.
    73:17
    We do have a list. I have it. Well, I don't have a camera here, but, you know, I'm holding it up to the non-existent camera, my little notepad. Yep. I said we didn't talk about it before. I reckon a good combination would be Bruce and Chuck Webster. Or Levy. Levy and Bruce. Anything with Levy would be entertaining. Yeah, it would be entertaining, but I think it would be rough. I think we all, oh, you see? it on for the hells. Boom. Boom. Well, the other couple made in heaven I'd love to hear is Dennis Creasel get together with your Zach and just have the guy. Oh, God. People would die of thirst during it. Oh, wow. We got to make that happen. Yes. We do. We have the power. We do have the power. That's a request. Now, Zach had a couple. You had a problem with one of my podcasts now. So you said I was on the Super Awesome Pinball Show. And Franchi, I believe twice during the podcast, he was trying to think of the name of this game. They were talking about games that have back box animation. It's like this cool-looking game. It's got like this head that's floating in space, and it's like a bald head, and there's like stars, and they rotate. And he said it twice, and I'm like shouting out the name of the game. And it's like, Bruce, you should know what this is. You should know what this is. I still don't know what it is. Zach has it in his bedroom. Who? Spirit.
    74:40
    Oh. Spirit. I don't think it's Spirit. Gottlieb Spirit. So, Branch, if you listen at all anymore, it's the Spirit you were talking about. Now, Ron, we had some questions about your past podcast that you did, me and Zach. You mean the one that was recorded Sunday and David just released it, which I couldn't believe he released it that fast. That guy's an animal. That's the episode. How many kick-out holes are in Paragon? Uh, three? No, you said two. Okay. I'm sorry.
    75:11
    I think, and I also said it only had two shots. Yeah. Which is true. It's just true. It's true, it is true. Marlon has more shots than Daragon. What else did we say?
    75:22
    Mata Hari, Dennis thought Mata Hari was a great game. No, not really. It's not. It's terrible. I don't know if it's terrible, but it's not a, it's not a, you just hit the hole. John? John, Emily. Mata Hari. Yeah. It's not overly memorable. They just go the one thing all the time up the side. Yeah. First time, it's nice. Well, first time, it looks like every other valley. No, I'd rather play Viking. Viking, yes, I'd rather play Viking. Because you get the one shot, and you got a couple other different shots. So that wasn't a correction, you're just saying that the game sucked. That was just, that was, no, Zach was commenting throughout the whole thing. I'm going to have to record it we tell people if you have issues with our facts or anything we say just let us know, email us in and you guys never email, you just bitch on how we're wrong and you never send anything in well now I'm bitching on this, so there we go that doesn't help at all this is better than email alright so what else do we have on our masterful list okay Lethal Weapon 3. As you know, one of my favorite games. It's one of the greatest games of all time, in my opinion. Does it still say okay, okay, okay? Okay, okay, okay, okay.
    76:44
    It's great. It's not. Yes, it is. I love John. I have to get the last word. Emily's smacking for me. Come on. It's not. No, it's awesome. So it's a great game, but it's got a lot of bugs. It's kind of rough in the code department. So it was one of those games. And it's not that good for tournaments in that it just has the random mystery awards, et cetera, all the stuff you don't want in a tournament. You know, here's your reward. Both of you are ready. Oh, great. Now I see John's face is shaking his head going, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. No. I love it. So I've been waiting and hoping that the Data East guy, I call him the Data East guy. I really should learn his name. But the guy who's done, he did the code for Tommy, Star Wars, you know, fixing all the Data East games. I was hoping he would do Lethal Weapon 3. And he did. And he did more work on this than any other game. I think he's Chad H. Yeah, Chad.
    77:51
    And he released it. and I was excited and I saw like all the stuff I'd ever complained about or thought should be fixed, it's like in release notes, you know, fix this non-random mystery, there's the tournament mode, all this stuff this is great, but then I started seeing things like, change the timing of this, fix this speech call out, added a space here did this, did this like all these actual changing the way the game plays So I installed it, and it just didn't feel like Lethal Weapon 3 anymore. Oh, it's the latter. No.
    78:29
    You hit it in a saucer, and you have to wait for the whole animation before it kicks it out. Things like when the video mode, on the old code, the video mode would just start, or like the fight mode. You don't even know what's going on. Like, what the hell? And you always lose the first fight until you realize, oh, I'm supposed to hit that. Now it, like, pauses, gives you a full instruction thing, and then begins. everything has long paused now. Even what Leo wants, Leo gets. That's how he says it now. It's all spaced to make it all nice and clean. It just killed the game for me. So Ron likes the in-your-face. I didn't realize what really made Lethal Weapon was the fact that it was so broken. That the clips just go into each other that you have no time to do anything. It just starts. Fight modes just start. Video modes had almost no instructions, and he says, oh, crap, oh, you've got to do it. It's so different than most of the other Day East games. There's like no, it's so awesomely broken, and when he fixed it, it just wasn't as fun to play anymore.
    79:32
    So be careful what you wish for. You might get it. I'm just showing Emily the art. Emily doesn't remember the game at all. It's great.
    79:40
    Don't rush. Yeah, don't rush out, but it's a fun game if you see it on location. Select C&C and Music Factory. Make sure you select the right song.
    79:54
    There's one, two, three only? Just keep hitting one, two, three every night. One, two, three, all the time.
    79:59
    He fixed the ramps. He can't ramp 30 zillion times and get increasing value. All the stuff that was broken on it, he fixed. But he changed the timing of a lot of different things. Sound effects, like the skill shot sound effect now is different. It's just like, oh, why couldn't there be... I want two versions. I want one that's just all fixed, and then another one where you can add all the pauses and change crap. He put a lot of work into it, so kudos. I kept a copy of the ROMs. That will be my tournament ROMs. So when I have a tournament, I will put them in. And then when the tournament's over, I will take them out and put the broken ones back in. But if you put a pin soundboard in it, you can fix up all those sounds easily to put them back to what you want. I played a Lethal Weapon 3 at Texas that had, like, the pin soundboard. it had like a color DMD which I didn even think was available yet and the thing was so ridiculously obnoxiously loud it was unplayable It was ear loud Alright let check off my Lethal Weapon 3 code. And also, there was... There was... Yeah, I'll keep interrupting you. Because I'm the host. So, we had a... It was a trivia thing that was... And actually, I should have... I think it was by the Pinsonati, or I think it was... Yeah, they did a pinball trivia thing. Zach, or Zach, he sent it to me, and it was this online thing. It ended up being like, I don't know, eight or ten of us on this contest.
    81:25
    And it was like 20 questions, all multiple choice, and then there were the final round questions. So I start playing this thing, and Zach's in there, I'm in there, a bunch of other known pinheads are in there. And I'm in the lead after the first nine or ten questions, and it's one of those years you've got to answer quickly like you get more points like the faster and I see Zach's right up my ass. He's right behind me so I'm like oh my so I'm feeling pressured to answer as quickly as possible so I can stay ahead of him and that was my undoing. I answered several ones wrong then realized it was wrong and I couldn't change it because you can't change it once you lock it in and Zach ended up just destroying everyone. He was so far ahead after the 20 questions that no one could catch him in the other round. It's like the Jeopardy thing where you have so many points that no one can catch you in Final Jeopardy. That's basically what it was. So I need to get revenge. Although I don't think I can beat him. I wasn't involved, so guess what? I'm playing for second next time. Yeah, you wouldn't have got it.
    82:26
    You were at the bar probably. You probably couldn't even play that day. I haven't been at the bar in almost a month. This was a while ago.
    82:34
    Okay, whatever. What do you have? Money deposit has been put down. Rick and Morty. Woo-hoo! Welcome.
    82:43
    Welcome. Have you played it? I have once for like two minutes. That's it. I'm looking forward to it. Now, wait a minute. John is the Spooky representative, so clearly he must have an LE coming.
    82:55
    I don't have LEs. I've got a Bloodsuckers edition coming in. Yeah. I have Bloodsuckers. All the Aussie ones are built and apparently shipping, according to Spooky, last week. So they should be here by boat in about four months. So, John, having kids there, what mode are you going to have? Like, what level are you going to have of the swearing?
    83:19
    100%. Wow. Yeah. I love all that. I love Emily. She's giggling in the background. It's a passion. Like I said to Charlie once with Rob Zombie, it's just like driving, mum driving the kids to school. They won't hear anything that game. They don't hear her calling the other drivers.
    83:36
    So they hear things about people getting their balls cut off and stuff. Wasn't that one of the things? Of course he does. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Okay.
    83:44
    Wasn't that Rob Zombie? Where they show some of his balls getting cut off or something? Yeah, that's the chop save. The chop save. Okay. But there was an animation for putting the coin in the coin slot that Charlie demanded David remove from the game. And I still haven't seen it, but he said he was showing me one. So I hate to think what that animation was. Oh, my goodness. All right. And that was the big announcement from Spooky. if you listen to the Pinball Network show, but I'll give you the exclusive that Spooky announced the designer of their next game.
    84:18
    Who's that? Bunyip. David Van Ness, who's originally Australian, who's done all the animations for Spooky since Rob Zombie is designing their next game. Hmm. Australian announced? So you'll get to play Whitewoods, it sounds like. Well, in Texas, yes. Oh, that's right. He's the one he's in. Okay. Not all Australians are actually in Australia. In Australia. Yeah. No. Okay. What? Yeah. So, my TNA's fixed.
    84:49
    And Dr. John helped. One little wire. Yeah, one little wire. So, I'm streaming. Actually, I think Stu might have been streaming. And half the RGB lights just stop working. They're just on. They don't change color. They don't do anything.
    85:06
    And John sees it. And this was an ongoing issue. It comes and goes. So they make a long story short, end up making a video, send it to Charlie. Charlie's like, yeah, send it to Scott. So it went to Scott. He had his suggestion, which turned out to be the answer. There's basically, I'll try to make this quick. There's five RGB boards underneath the play field, node boards or whatever you want to call them, that control all the RGB lights. They're like zero through four. I thought one string was out. Three of the five strings were out. So three of the five RGB boards were not actually working. So the lights would just be on, but they didn't do anything. And on these boards, there's two sets of wires that are daisy-chained. One is power, which I knew it wasn't power because the boards were actually on. Because if it was power, the lights would be off completely. The second is, I don't know, Scott called it the serial connection. It's like the data bus, you know, what tells the lights what to do. and one, it didn't look like it was loose, but if you played with it, you could get it to work again. So it was one of the ones that the hot glue had come off of. And Bruce is familiar with all the hot glue under TNA. These are the .100 connectors that literally will fall out if they're not hot glued. But the way they ran the cable, it was actually running through some wires that were actually tugging on it and almost pulling it out, so I ran it in a different direction. And I have all my lights now. And Bruce is right. He'll be around there to play the game instantly. Yes. Yeah. Well, maybe tomorrow. And I added some clear fender washers under the posts, but it's too late anyway. It's already chipping, like, all over the place. But, hey, at least maybe it won't chip anymore.
    86:51
    I will say, when we were talking about dimpling, if I look at my Deadpool and compare it to my TNA, like, TNA, which has gotten a lot of plays. I mean, you might see a few dimples on it, and then you go over to Deadpool and it looks like the moon.
    87:08
    So there's definitely a little better clear coat that Spooky's using. We give them props in the playfield department because they do their own, I believe. That's probably another reason. Yeah, it's all in-house. It's all in-house, so, yeah.
    87:20
    The repairs, I had to repair that. That's good for a podcast. My projector clapped out on, I went to a drive-in movie and it was a white screen only on my Stranger Things. Oh, gosh. We wrote to Stern, and the distributor wrote to Stern, and said, what the heck, and no one knew, and, yeah, the projector just completely stopped. It gave a static pattern. It looked like a still static pattern, and, I mean, they're just a nice Chinese pocket connector, so they sent me a new one for free. It took about two minutes to replace it, and it's all back. It's all good. So that's what the projector looks like? That's what the projector looks like. It looks like a little mini hard drive. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It does. It looks like a portable hard drive. Yeah, it looks like a portable hard drive. That's it. Wow. It's got a power in and a mini HDMI in it at the back. And you project maps at the front. It's very clever. Wow.
    88:13
    My repairs this week was working on a diner. Oh, nice. Fries up? No. Oh. No. Two things. Well, actually, multiple things. But the ramp was bad. So the flap ramp would never go up and down properly. It would just go up, up, up, try to pop, pop, pop, pop. Well, the lever, the rod that actually raises up and down, had so much swap and play in it, I had to buy all the parts, the bracket, the rod, and the little bolt that goes underneath the ramp to raise it up and down. I had to buy all that from Marco. Luckily, it was all available still. But to get to that, you have to take everything off. literally one ramp, the wire form in the back, the other ramp, the cash register.
    89:06
    Then underneath, you've got to take the whole bracket off completely. And then while I was in there, I was like, well, they have this new, instead of having a regular micro switch for your bowl, you can put on the magnetic reed switches. They have a custom one the guy makes on the pin side where you actually can, It actually is contoured. It's curved. It actually mounts and glues right to the side of the bowl so you're more, you actually get better spins out of it. I can get almost 3.2 million on the diner spin now. So you went to Pinside? Wow. I went to Pinside. They ordered this.
    89:40
    But to take that apart, I had to take the actual back board off the play field just to get the bowl out. Oh, jeez. Oh, my God. This whole play field was, like, literally all over the place.
    89:55
    And a couple of the quirks, like, I had drop targets from Williams, you know, the late 80s, early 90s. They get gummed up from just dirt and crime and everything like that. So they clean all those up. A couple kick-out issues. But people who wire stuff up are just, oh, my God, don't understand people. When they make, like, say this one connector had a connector on it. People just shoved in wires into the existing connector and then put electrical tape all around it. That's just securing your way of making wiring good.
    90:29
    Or modders, please, don't put stuff with alligator clips anymore. Alligator clips, when I see underneath a play field, just scare the crap out of me. Did you say put the connector into the connector? Did I hear that? They didn't put a connector. They put the wires in the connector and then wrapped electrical tape around it. So they had, like, the female part and just wires sticking into the male part. Yes, and they shoved wires into it and then wrapped it up with electrical tape. That'll work. Yeah.
    90:56
    Well, it did, didn't it? It did, but it wasn't right. So there you know me. I'm cutting the connectors, making a whole new connector for each side. You love to make connectors. Exactly. Connectors are fun. If you don't like alligator clips, don't look under my Harlem Globe trying to play field swap. Make ground wire. You could solder. No, no, the ground wire, when you're taking the staples out to move the ground wire over, it just breaks and it's that fragmented, strandy stuff. You can buy it. Yeah. A whole, replace the whole. What you do is you buy a, it's spooled, so you spool it and you follow the pattern that you did before.
    91:36
    And soldering ground wire to those lamp sockets is so. Oh, it sucks. It sucks. And we got a good meter there. Perfect. Yeah. No. Oh, you tin it. You tin it first. Well, you were using a Dremel. You can file it down. You can use sandpaper. Or what I'm going to try to do, you just get solder tabs. That's what, what's his name, does high-end pens, Chris Hutchins. That's all he does now. He doesn't bother with the sanding and all that because it's too much of a pain in the ass. He'll just take solder tabs, and you screw down, and they're underneath the socket. So you screw them down, and then you just solder directly to the solder tab. Number one, it'll solder with no problem because it's a solder tab. Number two, if you need to take the bulb out or anything, you can literally unscrew it, and the whole thing will come out. It's way easier.
    92:30
    Everyone calls it ground braid. I mean, isn't that technically correct? What else is it? Yeah, but it's not ground, is it? It's like the power. It's like the power bus, actually. Isn't it? Yes, it is the power. That always confused me about that. It is a power. No, you're sending ground. You're actually sending the ground signal, actually. You're actually sending ground to light the bulb. Because that part of it is the one that's always energized. It's always energized. So technically that gives you ground. You always have six volts there. You're actually, when a transistor goes off, it actually sends ground.
    93:02
    John's showing us. Don't give the pinball. Yeah. Elegant eclipse. Actually, it is for troubleshooting. I agree. Yes. Oh, that is the necessity. If someone said, like, what do I need to repair my machines? It's like, here's a tool that it doesn't matter what era machine it is, you need it, and just show them an alligator clip. Emily, do you help Dad with repairs?
    93:21
    Nope. You did. Nope. She likes to block it out of her mind. I made her clean every leaf switch on the EM Stranger Things, which was a Snow Queen, four-player Snow Queen. So she had to disassemble every score reel and every switch under the play field and on the board to make the thing work because it wasn't working when we first got it. Do you love that? It's a real stink, don't they? Wow. Yeah. That was a pretty cruel first thing. I know. Boy, boy.
    93:55
    You're just cleaning this play field. Here's some Novus or something. I guess you can't beat your kids in Australia, so now you're just going to make them beat your kids for real.
    94:05
    What does that mean? Does that mean you can beat them in other places first? Yeah, there's some countries you can still. Some countries you can still. Okay. I'm going to make it cruel I'm going to make you clean all the score reels and underneath the play field and that's your punishment I mean your project that's it oh god that's the extent she had a Simpsons pinball party dropped on her back when she was a family guy dropped on your back how old were you 8 it slid down my back What?
    94:42
    Yeah, it wasn't a great day. It wasn't me, it was my son. Yeah. Was decided he'd unloaded off something while I wasn't at home. And he said to my eight-year-old Emily, just hold that side while I cut this strap. It was underneath, I was holding something underneath and it just pulled it towards me. So I went in a ball and it slid down my back. Oh, my God. That's a nice bruise. And to this day, she doesn't like playing family guy. I played it once in a tournament. I won, so it was good. I had no clue what I was doing. All is forgiven now. You must like my game, yes.
    95:17
    All is forgiven. Mail. Oh, ball bag. Okay. Yes, ball bag. Let's go to the mail ball bag. Let's see. So we actually, because we didn't do, I don't think, we didn't do mail last week. So, or last week. No, we didn't. So we have, Bruce was looking for a stern memory lane. Did you see that? I did. Did you get it? No, it was too far away. I was in Atlanta, and I was still dealing with the bar being closed. And it sold within a day. Ah. So thank you, Darren, for that. Thanks, Darren.
    95:52
    See, we will eventually get to your mails, folks. Oh, God. Classic stern kicker arms. Yes, being reproduced, hopefully. Being reproduced. Because they're not the same as the ballys. the slingshot kicker arms are being hopefully reproduced by Carrie Stare. So if you want them, please say you want them. Please, yes, because I have been saying it for a while. Thanks for the heads up, Parnell. Thank you very much.
    96:21
    This is from Ted. Hey, Bruce, my friend Dave Scott told me about the closing. I'm sorry for you, your wife, and your patrons. I'm sure you will end up with more and better opportunities.
    96:32
    Thank you, Ted. Thank you. I mean, once Bruce's new podcast, which he won't tell me what it is, takes off, he'll leave me behind. I'm going to leave Ron in the dust. He's going to leave me behind. Maybe they'll leave me on, like, a big network.
    96:47
    Ooh. No, you're not going there. Maybe. You never know. Well, we might have a word to the boss about that. Yeah, see?
    96:59
    I have a pull with this one, though. That's the good thing. You have a pole? Pole. Okay. Yeah. So, guys, guys, guys, that was such a heartbreaking show. I am very, very sorry about you losing the Silver Ball Saloon, Bruce. Your story was so very touching and moving, and I wish I had a chance to see the Silver Ball Saloon and play there. I wish you and Tant the best with whatever comes for you. That's from Andre. Thank you, Andre. Thank you very much. You are Bruce's favorite player. Yes. He literally patterns his entire play style after you. I do. Or actually, you're older, so he's patterned it after you. Yeah.
    97:44
    Stop and go? No. This is from Dave. Oh, this is from Mr. Peck. Oh, yeah. New Zealand. Dave. Hi, guys. Really enjoyed the last episode, the story of the Silver Ball Saloon. Having been there myself, deciding to wind up my furniture chain after the GFC 2008-2009, I know exactly the emotions that both of you are going through. Tough times indeed. The upside, you will always have to look at the upside, as you learned so much through the experience. Anything you attempt from now on will be golden. All the best from the other side of the planet. Cheers, Dave. Thank you, Dave. That was very nice.
    98:22
    Eric Russell, I don't believe, not CNY, but the other Eric Russell, Okay. Which is still Eric Russell CNY. Yeah, one of his other names. He updated his spreadsheet, so he sent a copy of that along. Yes, all of our guests. Yeah, all our guests. He didn't believe Kathy was not a guest before, so he had to go back, look through all those things, and said, oh, you're right. Kathy wasn't a guest before.
    98:51
    I like how he has your favorite game and ones you hate. Actually, yeah. Game you like, game you hate For the guests Just give us a game you like And a game you hate and why Why Come on, start with one you like What's your favourite game to play Say it in a tournament Oh god Peer pressure, come on I don't know Look around our game room 3, 2, 1 Oh you're hopeless No but I've seen tournaments I like playing older machines because they're more random, but I'm better at just... Which one? I don't know. There's so many. I haven't played many. There's not many in Australia. Yeah, but you've been to Pindu. Yeah. I don't remember all the games I've played yet. Too many. Oh, God. What about Harlem? Yeah.
    99:43
    Okay, there you go. Harlem. What game do you hate? You know what game you hate. Really? I do? Yeah. It starts with the word star. Wars? Correct.
    99:52
    A new one? Star Wars. A new one. Yes. I love her. She's a goddess. I hate it too. You're wrong. There you go. Yeah. So Game Your Love is any older EM or solid state? What about Grand Lizard? Eh, no. It was Mean to Me in Indies. Get that like in there. Oh, yeah. Mean to Me in Indies. Knocked you out of the women's final. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, that's not good. But that era. Okay.
    100:22
    And John, Game Your Love? Game I Love. Pirates of the Caribbean, Jersey Jack. Ugh. You had a hard game to love there, sir. It's not when you just pick which wizard mode you want to go for, because there's five of them, and the next time you play the game completely differently, because you're going for a different wizard mode. Tell me how much I just don't know anything about rules. That is the game you'll never... Nobody knows anything about those. No, but it was John and Steve, Steve Bowden, you were playing. What were you playing? It was a Jersey Jack game. You guys are going over all the rules. Who's the boss? Yeah, whatever it was. I was lost within the first 30 seconds of the conversation. Oh, you're the owner. I was just like that. I always say Jersey Jack games are the ones you have to own because of the amount Keith puts in them. I agree.
    101:11
    And a game I hate, here you go. This will kill a lot of fans. I have Willy Wonka. Oh, that's great. I'm right with you. Wow, yeah, I noticed that's not back there. Owned it, sold it. Never liked it. What's wrong with it? They're giving. It's only two shots. I thought it was pretty. And then we said, what do you have to do? You've got to hit up behind the TV. Yep. And then you've got to hit the overlap guard. And then you've got a TV in the ramp. And then you've got to stop. That's it. Yeah. And it goes down a hole so small, it's so hard, it rejects three-quarter of the time. So you can only backhand it. Yeah. You can only backhand it. Yeah. And that was it. That was the whole game. And I thought, what? What? And then you don't get anywhere. No. You play a game out of the blue, and it's great. You get three golden tickets. Yeah, I agree.
    101:59
    Terrible game. Okay. Love it. Wow, tough. I see someone is never going to be a Jersey Jack correspondent.
    102:10
    You just ruined it for Emily. Thanks, John. Both my games were Jersey Jacks, one I love, one I hate. That's what's good about people.
    102:20
    Yeah, that is love. Then we had the PowerPoint quiz, which we haven't played yet. Oh, the one I've seen. Yes. Should we not play this because you're on the show? We'll save it for next time. We can do that one. I've got another one that I wrote today, too. Oh, okay. Let's save the one you have, Ron. Let's do the one he has right in his hand right now. Oh, God. Do it now. Yes. You don't want to finish the mail first? That was it. The mail's finished. Well, we have one more. Yeah, we have one more discussion that was sent in, which I thought was interesting. Yeah. This is for Messenger, so I won't say the name in case he didn't want his name said. He sent us questions before. Hey, guys, I just finished reading through the artifacts of Gene Cunningham thread on Pinside. Probably the best thing I've read on Pinside in a long time. I read the When Pigs Fly article, but this thread shed more light on things for better or worse. I remember 2002 almost buying a T2, but factoring in that Williams was closed, Those parts were a concern, and I opted out. What was it like back then trying to get parts? I'm assuming your best bets were the shows and PBR. Yeah, pretty much. It sounded like dealing with Gene could be a pain in the arse to get official Bally Williams replacements.
    103:37
    It wasn't a pain in the ass. It was just everything he reproduced was wrong. Gene? Okay. Yes, Gene. like the Eagle toppers, they were cheesy, and the plastic sets that were out in the beginning that he tried to reproduce just were not the same quality. He was going for cost. Like I remember some people saying, like, the plastic sets he made for Adam's family and a couple others, he did in the beginning very brittle, very, you know, oh, I got these brand-new slingshots from Gene Cunningham And three weeks later, you'd see, like, yeah, my brand-new swing shots just broke again. Same place, same way, even faster. And some of the stuff he had was NOS from 20, 20, you know, 15, 20 years. And they were sitting in warehouses that were not climate-controlled. They were just heat. And the plastic changed and discolored. And he was selling it as NOS, which it was, but it still lost its rigidity, as we were talking about before the show, John. You know, the plastic just didn't hold up, and it was just terrible. It really, it was, Gene was a, he was in for himself, of course, for money. Everyone is. Don't get me wrong. As you do. I have to think how much he paid for it all. He did pay, but he didn't pay a lot. He paid a good amount of money. The later licenses got him a lot more money. So, Bruce, you and John were talking about rigidity before the podcast. Yes. Okay. And flexibility. Oh, okay.
    105:16
    You're just jealous, aren't you? As far as getting parts, I mean, when I started, most of them were from PBR, and a lot of them would require – it's funny you mentioned T2 because I had a T2, and all the top lane plastics, the lane guide plastics were all destroyed. So when I called PBR, Steve Young would tell me – No, he would yell at you. He would yell at you first. But, well, no. I'd give him the part numbers. Well, those are no longer available. Well, however you can use these, they will work. That's what you pay for at Pinball Resource. You get the knowledge there because a lot of that stuff wasn't available. But you could get close replacements. I mean, it is easier now, especially with – and the other thing is when I started, a lot of the, like you said, the NOS parts were still available. You could still get flipper rebuild kits that were – Proper. That were, yeah, like original ones you would have got in the 90s because they still had stock. And you still had other parts warehouses, too. Yeah. The problem happened is when they started to run out, when they started to run out of the flipper kits, and then you got these new flipper kits where the plungers were too long, and you go to, like, a pinball show, and you have all these high-end restored medieval madnesses and stuff, and there's no flipper travel because the parts are wrong, and you can't trap anything. And you're like, uh, this looks like a problem. So it was hard for a while, a lot of the parts. I think when Wicca went out of business and then Hap, when they were into pinball stuff and then they really got away from pinball stuff, it was tighter.
    106:52
    But then Marco came in, and then when Bay Area Amusements came in, they filled the gap a little bit, and then Pinball Life, of course. Well, speaking of Bay Area Amusements, the second part of the question is also, just out of personal curiosity, why is Rick from Planetary Pinball Supply not well liked in that thread. He made one user pull videos of Gene's collection down, which is BS unless there's more to the story that I'm missing. Oh, there's a lot more to the story. Well, Rick, Planetary Pinball, I think that's the name of the company he created to do the Williams stuff. But before, I mean, he still has this other company, which is Bay Area Amusements. Yes. I think you'll find through the years, whoever holds the keys to the kingdom as far as the rights is hated, no matter who they are. They'll never do a good job or good enough job as far as people are concerned. So they don't give you anything for free. Yeah, first it was Gene. Then he sold everything to Wayne. Wayne in Australia. He didn't sell everything to Wayne. Well. Let's get that straight. He did not sell everything to Wayne. Well, he still had the parts. No, and he actually sold part of the license, only part of the license to Wayne. Part of the license also he kept, and it went to, what's his name, Pinball Inc. Well, yeah, then they had that whole organization where they were going to have it. It was like Pinball Inc., an art guy, some other dude, and they had some name. Remember that? They were going to be the universal, like, we hold the rights to all the parts. Yep. That didn't last long. And eventually Rick bought.
    108:24
    Rick has all the Williams rights. Yes. And you're going to find these people are hated because there will be parts that aren't available. Someone will make them, and they'll get taken down. Because they didn't pay the rights. They didn't pay the right holder royalties or approval to make this. Or they did, or they did, and it was, you know, they wanted too much of a percentage, so screw it, I'm not making them. Yeah, exactly. So you're always going to be the bad guy. Yeah, because I'm sure, like, when certain parts are available and then they get taken down, Rick's going to get blamed. But Rick explained the other way, too, when these companies are making inferior stuff, and they now have the Bally, there's a sticker that comes with it now that's Bally Williams approved, you know. And some of the stuff that he's put out has been inferior.
    109:16
    Playfields, back glasses. I remember one time they made a run of back glasses. They were crap. And, you know, you get the good, you get the bad.
    109:26
    It's what you've got to deal with. And, of course, you're never going to be the good guy. And Rick is very hard to deal with, too. He's become his – I've known Rick for a while, and if you don't address Rick, you know, when you talk to him a certain way, he will give it right back to you and probably with a little bit more of, go fuck yourself.
    109:45
    He really will. He'll probably stay straight out. And I don't know if Rick's really much into the business anymore, as his daughter is really starting to take over Bay Area Amusements, the repair part, when the last time we were out in San Jose, I think. Did you go to his place, Ron? You mean when me, you, and Kat went there? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I couldn't remember if that was one of the times or not, but we went to his place, and his daughter was running the show, and Rick was, you know, doing other things. At the time, I think he was actually working with Chicago Gaming about the Medieval Madness. That was his whole thing while he passed the business, the parts business off to his daughter.
    110:28
    So there you go. That's part of the story, a mini story of it. Maybe we'll go one day deep dive. Covered on Pinball Chronicles. There you go. Yeah, there you go. Battle of the Parts Rights. Oh yeah. Then you have Gottlieb. I mean, think about Gottlieb. You have manuals to a third of the pinball machines ever produced that are not available. Think about that. Because Mom do some of them. So think about that. Like, you can, any game, like, you're giant demonic behind you. Like, I want the manual. Like, you just don't look it up. But you have a Gottlieb, like my Alien Star. I want my Alien Star manual. Well. They are available. You just have to buy them. Yes. Buy checks. Yeah.
    111:15
    No, we don't have to send checks. We can actually. Let me say it this way. If any other commercial product, you have a refrigerator, a washer, a dryer, you're going to be able to go to the website of the company and just get the manual. You're not going to have to pay for something that says, like, how to fix your, you know, how your thing is built. That's stupid. Okay. Well, I'm going to say something right now. Emily, if you want to go to bed, you can.
    111:40
    She's starting to doze off a little bit. It's 12 o'clock. It's midnight there. It's 11. It's 11? Okay. Sorry. She wants to hear how you two are going to go in this quiz. That's why she's staying up. All right, quiz time. She's sitting there like, oh, my God, I'm starting to get tired.
    111:57
    And she's got school tomorrow, right? She's got a school pad for a week. She's got to go milk cows for a week. Milk cows? Like chickens. And do whatever else you do to goats. Say no. Look at her face. Her face is priceless.
    112:13
    She's like, oh. Another chicken plugger. Right. Have you got a pen and paper in front of you? I can get one. Give me two seconds. I need a pen and paper. Paper. I'm good. Bruce, it's always two seconds. Oh, it says cat. Oh.
    112:28
    Burn. It's only three then. Right. I go a little longer. How big does the pad have to be? Because I got a small pad here. That's all right.
    112:39
    He said that. Sorry. All, there's just, I've got ten pinball machines. You just have to name them. I'll give you five clues per machine Okay Alright Number one Now, the first clue You write down whatever name you think it is Second clue, you can change it Third, fourth and fifth You can change as many times as you like When you work out what the game is Or I tell you You then get the score For wherever you wrote it So if you put it on the first clue You get five points Four points, three points, two points And then one point If you get it on the last Alright So it doesn't matter You can't get any wrong. You're just the highest points you get.
    113:20
    And it's a thing. This is it. Right, here we go. I'll give you an easy one to start with. By the way, the clues are really shit and abstract.
    113:29
    Oh, God. Right. But clue one is always a cryptic clue about the name of the game. Clue two is always about something that's on the play field on the game. Clue three is always about a game feature or rules. Clue four is one of the mechs or mechanisms you'll find on the game, and clue five is an obvious one. But I'll remind you what the categories are as we go. So let's start with easy one, number one. So a clue from the name of the game is a tall order even to get three points.
    114:01
    Mm-hmm. Okay, silence. So you can write down a guess now or just put a cross next to clue one, if you don't know. Clue two, which has got to do with something on the play field. Atlas would be frustrated.
    114:16
    Dead silence again. Yeah, again. Go ahead. Okay. Told you they were. In fact, this will give it away. Clue three, mixing your banana with ice cream. I got it with this one. Emily got it on this one, so she would have got three points.
    114:33
    Still silence. They must be writing a lot. Clue four. Clue four, and this is a mechanism on the play field. They sort of look like dominoes.
    114:46
    And the final clue, if you haven't got it yet, number five, Sweet Georgia Brown. Oh. Okay. Ta-da. So what's the game? I'm on the Ghost Riders. Correct. I got one point. You got one point? Yeah.
    115:02
    That's right. Well, I'm not surprised. First one, you both got one point. I'll explain the clues so that it'll make sense for the next game. A tall order to even get three points. Is that a bit more obvious now? Yeah, now it is because it's a three-point shot. Tall players, three-point shot. Next one, Atlas would be frustrated. Globe. What did Atlas do? Held up the globe. Yeah, I wrote Judge Dredd for that one because I thought dead world. Okay. Yeah, not bad. Three, mixing your bananas with ice cream. What does that make? I don't know. I was thinking Gilligan's Island because of the five apples. It makes a banana split, as in split flippers.
    115:38
    Oh. Okay, that is very abstract. Wow. And they still look like Dominoes. She's a spawner, him. The inline drop targets are the things that look like Dominoes. Yeah. You're both on one point. Right. Game two.
    115:59
    Clue one, which has got to do with the name. People like getting kicked there. Nothing. Right. Clue two. Gene Kelly once gave one away?
    116:13
    Nothing? Nothing. Clue three. This is a game feature. What key are we playing in? I don't even know what the key is.
    116:27
    Hold on. What's the hold? Yes. Okay. Clue number four, which has got to do with a mechanism. every DJ needs one of these.
    116:41
    It's easy when you know the answer. And if you haven't got it yet, the obvious clue is, rest in peace, Adam West.
    116:52
    Oh, God. Anyone get more than one point for that one? Nope. Did you get one point wrong? Batman 66. Well done. So that's obvious. So people like getting kicked there. Where do people get their kicks? 166 sets Oh god Gene Kelly singing in the rain What did you give the policeman at the end of the song?
    117:16
    Umbrella On the playfield all the umbrellas What key are we playing in? Is it a major or a minor key? Oh god And every DJ Need one of course Turntable Well done I was thinking Rolling Stones or Beatles because of the... I think Party Zone, Mixmaster. Oh, yeah, not bad. Not bad. All right, this one's easy.
    117:44
    Sure, it's easy. Number one is a cryptic one for the title of the game, and the clue is Mermaids. I didn't get this one. Did you?
    117:52
    Mermaids. I get it. To do with the title, right. Clue two, which has got to do with the play field, the ramps are only slightly angry. Okay.
    118:05
    Okay. Yeah. Clue three, which has got to do with the game feature, Trolley Wheels. Okay. And clue four, which is the mech,
    118:21
    it's got a real lock. Mm-hmm. I got it in the second clue. So is that four points? Oh, well done. And number five clue is Monster Fish. Yeah. So what's the game? Fishtails I got two points You got two points? What was the second clue again? The ramps are only slightly angry Yeah, because you said ramps and I was just thinking of the two, the boat ramps And what about the boat ramps? Why are they slightly angry? Oh, I have no idea But that's the game that popped in my head and I wrote down They cross Oh, God. I thought maybe they had a picture of a slightly angry fish on them or something. No, no, no. And mermaid.
    119:11
    What's the bottom half of a mermaid? Tail. Fishtail. Yeah. The first thing I wrote Fathom, and then by the second one I wrote fishtails, and I just kept fishtails all the way down. Trolley wheels, of course. The number name for a trolley wheel is a caster. Yes.
    119:26
    And reel lock is the fishing wheel. So, Ron, you're ahead. Four points for that one. Yeah. Four to six. Nice. Four to six. Right, next game.
    119:37
    Ba, ba, ba, ba. God, how many? This is not at Bushwood. No true fans. Okay. Number two, let's play peek-a-boo.
    119:52
    Okay. That's something to play for you. You got it. He's all good. Number three. I'm going to change that. make sure you take a fair pair of pants.
    120:03
    Same thing. Yeah. I had it on clue one, I believe. Bruce is on to it. Number four, slam ramp. I should give it away. Yeah. And number five, buzz and bud aren't any good. So the game is? No good gophers. Correct. So not a bushwood. Bushwood's the name of the country. Yeah, I had that. You got five points. I got four. I was no good gophers. I was going between teed off or no good gophers, and I figured he wouldn't say teed off because no one ever picks teed off. Yeah. And let's play peek-a-boo, of course, as the golfers come out. Yeah, the gophers coming up. Well, make sure you take a spare pair of pants in case you get a hole in one. Yeah.
    120:43
    And, Bruce, you've got how many points? Four, actually, on the second one. Two, three, four. Very good. All right. Ron's still increasing his lead. So that's 11-8. Ron's in the lead. Number five, first clue to do with the name Jodie Foster.
    121:03
    God. Let's see if I got it. You think so? Okay. Let's see. This will confirm it for you if you did Number two Elton biggest hit ever Does that help you Ron I know what the answer to that is, but I don't know if that helps me.
    121:22
    Okay. Number three is a dad joke one. He only comes once a year. Yeah, I think I have it. Good. Number four, Mark loves to double-cross you. Yeah, I got it. And number five, The kinks famous, hello, welly, lola. Yeah, yeah. So, it's game, it's taxi. I added on the first one with Jodie Foster. Why? Why Jodie Foster? I added on the third one. I wrote taxi down for Jodie Foster. Well done. Because I just figured, she was in Taxi Driver, and I'm there like, what's the second clue? Elton's biggest hit was, Candle in the Wind, which is a song about Norma Jean, otherwise known as. No. Yeah, no, but, no, his biggest hit was, Candle in the Wind 97, which was based on Princess Di. That's what I thought you meant. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what threw me. That was a bigger hit. You look it up. That was the biggest hit. That's like saying Monster Bash was a bigger game than Chicago Coins won. Anyway. No.
    122:25
    In a different lyrics. I got three. You got three. That's good. That's right. I got five. So it was 16 to 11.
    122:34
    Three. Did I give Bruce his three there? Two. I think I did. He did. You just gave him... I'll just give him some more points. I got 11. That's 11. You got 11. Okay. I think more like an Australian, Bruce. Ah! Right. Question six. Bequest. That's all you need. One word. Bequest.
    122:54
    Mm-hmm. And the second clue, which has to do with the play field, is Sid Vicious was silly. Play fields with heroin on them? I don't think so. and number C which is the game feature got to love the sound of sirens or is shooting them more fun okay and D you can ask Stu to help you with this one the biggest hit by the band real life Stu would know that and the final one is welcome to the grid what's the game oh I had big game yeah oh really yeah okay I had nothing where's the grid big game has multiple grids no that grid Tron oh god gosh I didn't get any of that it's a catchphrase of the movie zero So, Bequest is another name for Legacy.
    124:07
    It's a game called Tron Legacy. Sid Vicious was the lead singer of the world's first punk band. Of course, this has Daft Punk multiball and Daft Punk music. Couldn't tell you that. I don't listen to crap music. No, no, no. Sid Vicious wasn't the lead singer. He was the bass player. Oh, that's true. Johnny Rotten was the lead singer. We can have nothing.
    124:27
    The Sirens were also known as Jem and Cora. and shooting them both gives you the siren combo. And the only hit by real life, you must have known that. No. You spin me right round, like a record baby. Round, round, round, round.
    124:45
    Nothing? Zero. Zero? That's right. Seven. They should get this. Okay. Bartholomew Allen will always be my number one.
    124:58
    That's a very hard one. I'll give you number two. This is the Rockettes' best talent. You know the Rockettes, don't you?
    125:08
    The Rockettes. They're dancers. Anyway, number three is just stay up on top. Okay. Number four is there are three ways to get up on top.
    125:26
    And the clue number five is just Sam Jones. Oh No So again Flash Gordon Yep You get one point Bruce get one First one So Bartholomew Allen was the first Actor alter ego of Flash Gordon in the movies Comics I should say And the Rockettes best talent is Kicking their legs up and down What is that Kicks to the top playfield the next time. Damn, that's abstract. Yes. And, of course, just stay up there is to be on the top playfield where the points are. Well, yeah, I was going through all the buy levels when you said that. I know. It's like, what buy level has a kicker? That's right. And three ways to the top, there's the two ramps and the kicker. All right. Okay, still 17 to 12. Catch-up time. Question eight. Thank you to Tracy Allman.
    126:25
    Let's see if I got a fiver here. Oh, you got a five up. Well done. I think so too. It depends. Okay, the next clue is watch the ball as it moves. Oh, God, that's so... No, that's the feature of the game. I know, but that's like kind of... Okay, number three, time to watch TV. Oh, these are easy. They're easy, I know.
    126:48
    Number four is the hardest couch potatoes. and number five is back in my day we didn't have flippers very good and Ron you got it on the I got it on the first one too Tracey Ullman you should have like changed it up and made it the Daddy East one you should have made it the Daddy East one yeah totally I don't know the Daddy East one I don't want to acknowledge it don't have a cow man yeah don't have a cow man yikes All right, number nine. No one gets this one.
    127:24
    Oh, that's hard. Okay. I'll just put Dave has left his partner. Yeah, that makes more sense. Okay. Now you wrote it first. All right. Dave has left his partner.
    127:37
    That's got to do with the name of the game. Number two for the dirty-minded. Pros aren't allowed down under.
    127:47
    That's to do with the play field. Number three, which is a game feature, it's not really the Grand Canyon.
    127:55
    Nothing yet. And on the mech side, magnetic personalities. And the obvious one, who are you going to call?
    128:04
    Oh, no. Yeah, Ghostbusters. So you both get one? Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking Avengers all until that last clue. What's Avengers got to do with Dave? No, the new Avengers, where you actually had the nothing underneath. Ah, Drew.
    128:21
    That's what I was thinking. The first clue must have given it away. No. The partner of Dave. Who's Dave's partner? Dave and Busters.
    128:32
    No. Come on. One more each. And the pros aren't allowed down under because, of course, there's no subway on the pro version of the game. Yeah, that's why I was going with Avengers right off the bat. I was going across like, yeah, I think the feeling... And everyone who plays the game complains about the flipper gap, saying it's just about as big as the Grand Canyon.
    128:57
    And the last one. This one. I'm going to change that because no one gets that one. All right. The name of the game. The song you never want to hear.
    129:07
    That's like the same as what you put. No, it's not. It's a bit clearer. Oh, God. And number two. It's got more than Broadway, according to George Benson.
    129:18
    Mm-hmm. Number three, to do with the game feature, you can be saved from both sides. Wow. Nothing yet? No. Four, primate kidnapping.
    129:34
    That one. That one bit. They should have got it from that, shouldn't they? Yeah. And number five, we're off to see him.
    129:46
    Yeah. Oh. No. So did you both get one? No, I had it on two. Oh, good. I got one. George Benson. Yeah. What was the first clue? Never play that song again. Yeah. I wrote Wizard. Yeah? Yeah, but I was thinking he wouldn't do E.M. Wizard. Oh, no, no, no. I couldn't correlate it to anything else. The second one I have in Monopoly, you know, like, what was the second clue? It's got more on it than Broadway, according to George Benson. Yeah, I said Monopoly because I was thinking Broadway, Monopoly, you know, like a famous thing.
    130:26
    The first line of the song was, look at all the neon lights on Broadway. Yeah. Because everyone complains about so many lights on Wizard of Oz, they don't know what they're doing. And of course, you can be saved from both sides because you have the Toto save on one side and the Somewhere with the Rainbow on the other side. Primate Kidnapping is the winged monkey that comes down and steals your balls.
    130:51
    So how many points? One for Ron. Two for Bruce, one for Ron. So the final score is 24 to 20. Ron's the winner. Yep, Ron's the winner. Winner!
    131:07
    Abstract. I am not abstractable. I am very abstractable. You are not abstract enough, Bruce. Yes. Oh, God, no. I am truly literal well the quiz you do next time the email in is much easier it's just about drinking oh good, oh ok, so Bruce will win that one yes yes, yes, alright there's your quiz, there's our quiz you got time guys Emily's going to bed now, go to bed Emily goodnight thank you very much for coming on Emily thank you are you ready to, would you do Or would you not buy that? Now, I'm going to have to get onto the U.S. eBay site, aren't I? Maybe. You might have to go to U.S. I'll just do eBay.com. Right. And I'll just put the number in search for anything. Is that right? Right in the search. Okay. Right, yeah.
    132:01
    Okay. Are you ready, Mr. Ron? You didn't say you were ready. I'm always ready. Wow. Okay. ticket number 624-815-000923. And while they're looking it up, I'll tell you exactly what we're doing here. We're going on eBay. We're using the number that I just read off and seeing would we or would we not buy this pinball machine or part for a pinball machine.
    132:33
    624-815-000923. Yes. Yeah, it doesn't come up with anything. No, I've got nothing. No max matches found. Fail. Hold on. Fail.
    132:45
    So, no, I wouldn't buy it. No, I wouldn't buy this. A blank screen. No, it's for me, too. It comes up right for me.
    132:52
    264. Ah, 264. There we go. It's 264. 815. Oh, 264. Okay. It's a bit different. There we go. 815-000-923. Why have you got this on there? Well.
    133:07
    Oh. Oh? No. Yes. No? Vintage 70s Allied Spooksville pinball machine. It doesn't look like a pinball machine. No. It's not because it's a vertical pinball machine. Yeah. Is this pre or post Varkon? Pre. This is EM. Whoa. Oh, my goodness. It is? It is. Man, Varkon was behind the times. Yes, it was. the play field is pretty cool in this game for, you know, being a vertical.
    133:39
    1973 it came out. Yep. Wow. It's got two joysticks but you just hit the buttons or do you actually Yes, you just hit the buttons. You just hit the buttons.
    133:50
    Complete with rust. Lots of rust. And it uses the same method. It's got the play field and it's got a mirror. It comes off funky. They left the glass on.
    134:03
    Yeah, of course But it is definitely a, this is the first vertical Pimlo machine. I'm going to say that photo, is it a mirror? No. It is a mirror. It's mirrored. So the play field is actually flat, and then it reflects up to make it, it's backwards, too. The play field's backwards. Wow. So this is like Varkon. Condition is used and needs going through. It does light up. After that, it was not tested. what's this second last photo supposed to show us the back glass i think that there's there is a little chip on the top a chink that's the main problem right and a crack chip and crack local pickup 25 minutes from buffalo bruce i know i'm so not into this oh but it is original i wanted to show you something that you don't usually see wow and it's eighteen hundred dollars $1,800 worth of goodness right here, guys. Yep. That's a no. That's a no for John. No. If you are into weird pieces,
    135:10
    and this is indeed like the first vertical pinball machine, that would be a pretty cool thing to say. It would be. It is a cool thing to say. Would I spend as much money on it? No. If it was $400, yes. Yes. Okay.
    135:24
    So that was a not buy for all three of us. Would you agree or not agree? Agree. Okay. Next game, 174, 415, 912, 528.
    135:43
    Mm-hmm. Space shuttle, pinball arcade machine, 2550. Yeah. Okay, so we get the first picture, which is the play field. Restored with playfield overlay, which I figured because it had no wear. LEDs throughout, back glass in great shape. Plays great. Minor issue with the airlock gate that should be an easy fix. Love those. Then fix it then. No, he's too busy LEDing it all up.
    136:17
    So if you look at the second picture. Yeah, it's a bit dirty. It's kind of scary in that cabinet. A bit dirty, yes. I almost, I would think maybe it got wet. Water, yeah. Yeah.
    136:30
    No, Chilbolb comes with it either. Yeah, we don't need that. That's optional. That's in the coin box. Ah, it's not a coin box. Let's see. You don't see it. It's off camera. I forgot it had a bell. Oh, my God, the LEDs. Oh. Yes. It has a blue glow about it. Very blue.
    136:53
    Oh, my goodness. Including the inserts for the multipliers are all blue, even though they should be white. Louis has made everything blue.
    137:02
    Oh, God, why? It's right next to a premium Batman 66. Batman 66, yes. It does have a new board in the back. It has a new power supply board. Yep. But other than that, and a repaired CPU, it looks like. You can see the repair sticker on there.
    137:20
    I think you'd be lucky to get that in Australian dollars. Now, I have another question for this one. Look at the soundboard.
    137:26
    That ribbon cable is not even hooked up to it, to the CPU. Oh, yeah. It's hanging up. No, it is. No, it's not. No, it's got a thing in the middle of it, but that's not the end. Oh, sure. Yeah. I've seen those before. It's just like it's a piece of – it's in the middle, but it goes beyond that because it doesn't just end. you can see the more gray afterwards. I can't even see where it's supposed to connect to because that looks like a row of transistors there. It goes, yeah, but it's on the edge. It's on the edge, like the bottom. If you look at the bottom middle, it has the same kind of connectors there. Yeah, all the newer boards, got Rotten Dog City going on. One of three System 9 games.
    138:13
    Can John name the other two? Look at Space Shuttle. This is always my standard System 9 question I always ask Because there's only three games Nah File It was Space Shuttle Sorcerer And Comet And what? Comet Oh okay Yeah he's like eh whatever Not a great era for pinballs $2500 $2550 would you buy this If it was Australian dollars, maybe.
    138:53
    No, I would not buy this either. Well, the overlay looks good. The overlay looks good, but it's all new boards. Yeah, the LEDing just really... Would you take money off if you DLED it and then you let it? Yes, of course. Okay.
    139:07
    Next one, 164-175-979-069. Ooh. Hot tip. 1977 pinball machine. Clean, fully working. Is it the solid state or the EM? Ah, solid state. Solid state.
    139:31
    Ooh. That's all right. So far. Recently shopped. New rubbers. LED. Wait a minute. New rubbers and LED on top of the play field and some LED behind the backless. Yeah. LED on top of the play. Oh, I was just throwing it in the way that was worded. Chimes sound amazing. Brand new LED display set.
    139:55
    Between the LEDs and the brand new display set, that's a lot of money to put in a hot tip. Yeah. Problem is the back glass. He should have went to BJ Restorations and got a back glass because that back glass is shot. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. It's shot. Still, not a bad price. No, I sold mine for $700. so if you can get a thousand for this God be with him but yeah and he's not going to be back until October 5th so if you make a purchase it might be delayed in processing your order the guy's gone for a fucking month what the fuck like why would you post it before okay would you buy that for a thousand that's a possibility I would possibility it's got I mean the LEDs cost and those sets aren't cheap no Those are $200. Yeah.
    140:47
    Oh, there's the other. Excuse me, first one. Okay, ticket number 363086703953. Oh, Steve Ritchie. My second game ever, Atari Superman. This is after Dennis Creasle said on the last show that Steve Ritchie has never done a comic book thing. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I shouted out wrong when he said that. Me too. Nah, we all did. Finally got better on something. I don't mind Superman as a game. It's not... I wouldn't say it's a great tournament game, but it's certainly got... It's probably one of the best Ataris. Some shots in it. I made an Atari that plays normally, so I immediately had to leave.
    141:35
    It's like, what's this weird, normal-looking game? You're fired. I guess they're working on them or trying to do adjustments or anything they're weird inside but if you buy this game 10% of the sale of this item will benefit the World Wildlife Foundation the WWF oh yeah why the World Wildlife Fund they have the panda bear does it say it's working no it doesn't say it should be serviced again once moved oh that's a good comment I like that should be serviced again once moved In other words, when you pick it up and get it home, it won't work, and that would be your fault. Okay, I like when they have the pictures, and most of them are useless. There's a picture of the back glass. Now, the game has a blanket over it. See? Yes. The first picture. You have the back glass. It's against the wall. Which looks, the reds look faded. They're very faded. Like, really faded. This thing looks like it was in the sun and fire for a while. However, if you look at the side, and the reds actually look pretty good, so it's weird. They lift the blanket up to show one side. It looks like it's in a garage with a ton of other crap. He shows the pricing card, or no, the replay card for some reason. Then he shows a picture of the flyer. Yeah. Then an actual picture of the play field. So he did do that. Probably not the game's play field, is it? No, I think this is supposed to be the game's play field. No, because if you look, wait, John is right. If you look at the play field, look at the crap around it. If you look at the two upper corners, it's not up against the wall anymore. It could be an older picture. Yeah. It says in the description, photos are from advertising materials. Yeah. It's not part of the sale, and they're strictly for information purposes. Yeah, but I don't think this is considered... This wouldn't have been part of the advertising materials, because this is a recent photo.
    143:25
    Yeah, I'm not buying that. It's the same machine. I think it's a... Okay. Well, I'm looking... Look at the resolution of the back box. It's quite a good photo. Yeah. And then when you look at the side cabinet, when you look at the play field, it's terrible. He did it totally wrong. Yeah, I mean, if that, he could have taken them, because it was probably pushed up against the wall at some point. This might be an old picture taken with, like, a much crappier camera. True. Instead of just taking the blanket off and taking another picture of it,
    143:57
    which from where it is, he might not have enough room to get the glass out to do that. So it's just like, screw it, I'll use this old picture I have of it. It feels so nice. Yeah, but it doesn't show a lot of effort when you're trying to sell something for $26.75. I mean, if you want to sell that, you need to put a little more effort into it than this. I agree.
    144:20
    So, no. No. Okay. Ticket number 313-176-936-570. Time to move the... What? Really? $1,000? The pin. Home pinball machine. Here's the kicker. Not working.
    144:48
    Yeah. Not working. Backlash lights up a game will not boot. Shows an I.O. error. That doesn't sound good.
    144:56
    I messed with it for three months. Can't figure out what's wrong. Need the space. My loss is your game. At least he's very clear that the game is not working and sold as is.
    145:08
    Have you ever played this? No. I mean, $1,000? I mean... Picking a poke? Would you take the picking a poke? I mean, if you can get it working. I mean, the play field's packed. I mean, it is the pin, but... It looks... The art actually looks pretty good. Yeah. Would you or would you not? Look at his cool displays on it. I wouldn't want that. No, I know. It's pretty cheesy. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't buy it, but hey. If you saw the error, someone might be like, oh, IO error? I know what that is. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. You never can tell. How many more of these, Bruce? Three more. Three more, okay. See what you've got to count down. Why, a hot date or something? We've been on for almost three hours. I know. I like giving you a lot of editing. Yeah. You stop. He edited it on my quiz.
    145:58
    174-416-071. 5-5-5. Boom. No matches. I got nothing. You did it wrong. I mean, you're our guest. Clearly, Bruce did it wrong. It's 1-7-4. Yep. 4-1-6. Yep. 0-7-1. Yep. 5-5-5. Yeah. Nothing. Maybe it's not available in Australia. Maybe. On the U.S. website. 1-7-4-4-1-6-0-7-1-5-5-5. Yep. Working around. He's got it too, sorry. Just search for used Sega Baywatch pinball and see if it comes up, because that's what it is.
    146:42
    $27.50. In Chicago, Illinois. Let's see. It was removed from on location. The route technicians have thoroughly cleaned and tested the game. It is fully functional with great display. Play feels in good condition.
    147:00
    Sides have signs of age and wear. Please see photos. We charge Chicago sales tax 10.25%. 25%. Yeah. Holy shit. Is that if I'm in Chicago? Yes. Or you pick it up.
    147:17
    If they ship it, well, I'll charge sales tax. The cabin is pretty beat. It's reimported from the Chinese country. You're going to say, how does Bruce know this? What do you mean by a Chinese country? China is a country. Well, Chinese, I don't know what language. You mean like Hong Kong? If you look at this third to last one, on the side of the back box, there is a plate. Is that Chinese? Japanese? What is that? Korean?
    147:52
    It's a country that has 100 volts. So it could be Japan. Oh, yeah. Oh, there we go. I see. Yeah. So which country is it? Come on, come on. Come on, you wiseass.
    148:05
    An Asian country. But is it, it could be Japan because I know Japan uses 100 volts.
    148:13
    100 volts, do they? Yes, they do. Trust me. Unfortunately, I know. He is a world traveler. One of the products I had to deal with, it was converted. Oh, my God, what a pain in the ass. From U.S.
    148:29
    Terrible. But other than that, I like how they watermark all their pictures, so you definitely know it's there.
    148:36
    Every picture has the same watermark. They made sure they took a picture of the butts. Of course, Seymour. Mm-hmm.
    148:45
    The cab's a little warm. But here's the funny thing. They only show you, like, one good picture of the play field, and those play fields don't wear that much. It's more the ramps you've got to worry about. Are the flippers lopsided, or is that just the angle? Yes, they're lopsided. They're lopsided. Okay.
    149:01
    Hmm. All right. Would you buy that for $27.50? Nope. Two more. Let's see if I can find a winner for you guys or not. Yeah, we got one. We got one. Oh, yeah, we have one. I don't know if I had this one, but I think we had this one before, and now it's the same guy, the guy from Colorado. He has another game. Ticket number 164-162-719-095.
    149:35
    Hype this game. That's how you really feel, John. Captain Hook. No, that's not what I'm thinking of. It's not Hook. You're thinking Hook. No, thank God. This is rare. Captain Hook. Game plan. It's working.
    149:51
    Ooh, saw by his picture. Love that. Oh, another sideways one. Stop with the sideways pitches. Yeah. Yeah, there's Captain Hook. Oh, nice cabinet.
    150:03
    The cabinet is different. Um, never heard of it. Never seen it before. Don't need to see it again. Oh. The plate field touch-ups are great on this thing now. Did you see the... Yeah, and the cabinet has got chunks out of it. If you look at the fifth last one, two, three, six last picture. What's all been there on that outline? That's not an outline. That's the orbit. Why is it all chipped and worn like that? I couldn't fucking tell you.
    150:34
    It's been repainted. Oh, it's been repainted. Badly. In front of the targets as well it's all repainted. Oh, it's terrible. With a scribbled marker pen. Yeah. Unfortunately, try to find a play field for this kind of machine. One sold on Pinstide a year ago for $2,100.
    150:53
    Wow. I just fixed this MPU again today. Okay, so that basically means it's broken several times. I got it all working, but right pop-up are not working. I'm 99% sure the problem is from MPU. Wait a minute. So you couldn't have fixed the MPU if the pop-up doesn't work and you're sure it's the MPU. Then the MPU isn't working. I'm confused of the wording there. I'm sure the full lights are out, too, and I don't troubleshoot them. Okay.
    151:24
    Yeah, that's a no. But I wanted to show you the play field. The play field was the best part of that one. Oh, you're going to say a big, ugly touch-up on the left part of the play field. Yeah. At least he admits it, but it is bad.
    151:35
    That's a no, right, guys? No, that's a no. 12-15 now. Okay. Last one? No, second to last one. I got two more. Damn it. Shut up, you. Oh. 3-1-3.
    151:47
    1-5-3. 423-035. It's a three future spa. Yes. Three future spa. It's spelled as three, the number three future spa. You'll never find this if you're just looking at future spa.
    152:05
    It's only got one picture. Yes. But it's home use only. It says home use only. Let's see the description. I've been sitting for a few months, but we'll, okay. Update. Wait a minute. Update to what? Update to the picture. No, but under the description, literally the first thing it says is update. Update. That means you have to be updating some previous thing. That's not there. Has been sitting for a few months. Okay, maybe they're using the text, the speech to, you know. A few months. Will not power on. Own this for 35 years. Future spot pinball machine. Condition is used. Has been clean waxed. Is in excellent condition with no visible wear on the play field whatsoever. However, machine and had no touch up anywhere. Back glass shows slight peeling on middle bottom. Usual on these year games, but it's only a small area.
    152:59
    These games are old and will show signs of wear and tear. No, no, and all will show signs of wear and tear. This game was home use only and was never on location anywhere. Has two new power supplies. Original board came with the game. I'm saying the way it's spelled. Local pickup payment on pickup only. Can pallet if needed. Will assist if you want it shipped. Pre-discussed. How can you pre-discuss? Oh, God. I want to kill someone here. Locally can deliver and set up ask. You can't pre-discuss something. That means you're discussing something. Well, let's look at the pictures. The picture. There's one. There's one picture. In the days it turned on sitting in front of its caravan.
    153:43
    How about the high speed behind it? Is that home you're selling? Yeah. It does look pretty nice. Yeah. I get it. I mean, you have a display out.
    153:53
    It could be out, or it could be cycling on the display itself. The camera. That's a possibly. But it says it doesn't turn on anymore, does it? Yeah, so. It won't power on, so new power supply rebuild. Or it could be CPU. Or fuse. Just a fuse. Yeah, just a fuse. Fuse.
    154:09
    It's not a bad price. $1,500. The back glass is peeling, but, you know, it's not that bad. We can see that. Could be your diamond in the rough if it's really as home use only. Mm-hmm.
    154:22
    Hmm. Not too bad. Oh, yeah. It's from the Pinball Arcade. It's 47 sales with 100% feedback, 100% positive feedback.
    154:32
    Okay. I'm trying to get to the last one. That's not a bad guy. I would actually think about that. But if you're looking for a future spa that looks clean, that would be pretty nice. Yep.
    154:45
    Okay, last one. You ready? Yep. Ron's so enthusiastic. Can't you hear it? Yep. Come on, Bruce. Get the fuck on over with. Yeah, I'm ready. I can't wait, Bruce.
    154:57
    Thank you. This is right by Ron. Well, not right by Ron, but close. 274-478-500-555. Vintage Stern Electronimo.
    155:16
    Electronimo. We've seen that. Pinball gang. It's a pinball gang. G-A-N-E, number 105. Sold as is, needs minor repair.
    155:29
    Okay. And a focus on his camera. He does not have focus. He's used pickup ball. He needs minor repair. Okay, what's the minor repair? None of the displays are on. Yeah, so it's not booting.
    155:44
    Okay. That's it? The pictures? They're blurry as fuck. Thank you. I mean, come on. If I had my old BlackBerry from 15 years ago, I probably took better pictures than this. Yeah, well, I think this guy's got a flip phone.
    155:59
    I mean, from what it looks like, it looks okay, but it's so blurry. It doesn't work, though. You can't tell. I mean, it's on your TV. You know it's probably going to be a CPU. The back glass is trashed. Look at the bottom of it. It's just you can see through. Yep. But, I mean, it's a stern. I like the apron. That apron would look really good on my stars. It would look great in your stars. I'd make an offer. I'd probably offer him, like, $600 for this. Let's see, what does he want? Well, he wants $1,055 No But you can make an offer I'd offer him $500 and go from there And see if he can haggle it around There you go That would be my thing on that one And that's it A ball preloaded in the top saucer too, which is good Yes, that's always ready to go I didn't notice that here, right? Yes That's because it gave all a boop You got it And it's too hard to get it out of there, actually those are a pain to get out if they don't try to get the ball out of the scoop. And that is all for Would You or Would You Not Buy That?
    157:07
    I think it's two tiles out of us. Yeah, I think so. Just to review, I won the game. 24 points. Just saying.
    157:18
    I am the champion. I'm going to edit that out, so don't worry about it. You ain't editing shit. You suck, we don't Thank you very much, have a nice day Speaking of suck I'm just looking at that pirate from the background Oh wow Arrr Hey Google Turn on Jersey Jack Oh man He has a voice Commanded to turn on pinball machines It's even better when you turn it off Because he goes turning Jersey Jack off.
    157:59
    Do you say, like, please turn on the good games, and it just turns on Johnny Matic and, like, Harlem, and that's it?
    158:06
    Thanks to John and Emily for joining us for episode 150. 150 episodes, Ron, so we're going to go 300 more, right? Hell yeah. Whoa. Oh, you didn't expect me to say that, did you? No, I know he doesn't want to go that long. You said long. I'm sorry. He's going to be Silver Bowl Chronicle boy from now on. At least you shouted out for us finally. And then right after that you said we're immature bastards. Yeah. Well, I want people to know what we're – I don't think I said immature bastards. That doesn't sound right. He's not immature. Yeah, I would have said that, yeah. Yes. And low class, I think you said. Low class, yes. I wanted to let people know if you're used to listening to this history-based professional podcast, Don't expect that kind of thing. Polish. Yes, polish. There you go. Polish. That's the word. But the new Bruce Lidingo podcast will be top notch. Shit, shine, polish. Yeah, I don't even know what that's about. When we let John go, he's going to have to tell me what it is. John doesn't know. I don't know. No, when we let John go, when we officially end the podcast. Oh, I can tell you guys right now after we get in the show. Okay, we're in the show. And no show notes on the side or anything like that. No outtakes or anything. And we'll also be going over the next five certain games that we know about. So just... Oh, well, we knew about the Avengers a couple weeks ahead of time. But we kept it mum. Nice. You'll never win a Twippy doing that. Nope, don't want to. Oh, God. Let's not even... So thanks, everybody. I'm the winner! I'm the best! I think they should just retire that award at this point, because only one person's ever going to win it at this point. so thanks everyone it's been episode 150 thanks to Dr. John and Emily thanks to all our supporters out there in podcast land it's a pain in the ass sending you off this boy so a formal bonus Isaac etc everybody thank you until we meet again how do they get in touch with us Ron? they get in touch with us by going to slamtillpodcast.com all our links are in the upper right hand corner you can email us That's slamtillpodcast at gmail.com. And also, although the timing on this is going to be way off, a certain Bruce, a wild Bruce, may be appearing at the Level Zero Arcade, possibly tomorrow. Yes. And we will be doing a Labor Day stream, which will be useless because this podcast probably won't be released until, like, Thursday, so it won't matter. But you missed an awesome stream, I'm sure, at this point. Of course you did. Thanks, everybody. Say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, JLS.
    161:12
    Oh my.