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Episode26 - Talk - About - Topper

The Spinner Is Lit Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 51m·analyzed·Nov 2, 2019
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TL;DR

Roundtable discussion of pinball toppers, game upgrades, and Jersey Jack innovations.

Summary

Spencer Klingon hosts Episode 26 of The Spinner Is Lit Pinball Podcast, featuring an in-depth roundtable discussion about pinball machine toppers and recent upgrades. The group covers new official toppers from Chicago Gaming (Medieval Madness Remake Royal Edition), Stern (Black Knight: Sword of Rage, Alice Cooper: Nightmare Castle), Jersey Jack (Willy Wonka Collector's Edition), and aftermarket options. Key topics include upgrade pricing, interactive topper features, Jersey Jack's new Wi-Fi and Bluetooth connectivity for code updates and wireless headphones, and a detailed recap of the Pinagogo pinball show in Northern California.

Key Claims

  • Medieval Madness Remake Royal Edition costs $10,000 and includes new color armor (diamond black), powder-coated coin door, black mirror blades, XL display, RGB LED GI, and a new topper.

    high confidence · Dan, host roundtable discussion, providing pricing and feature details for MMR Royal Edition

  • Upgrade components for existing MMR owners: topper $650, XL display $600-$1,000 (depending on existing color chip), RGB GI $250.

    high confidence · Dan, detailed breakdown of upgrade pricing for existing MMR owners

  • Black Knight: Sword of Rage topper costs $599, features interactive 3D head and upper torso with moving head and articulated mask.

    high confidence · Roundtable discussion, referenced as $5.99 (likely $599)

  • Alice Cooper: Nightmare Castle topper costs $299, features interactive brain in a jar with moving eyeballs and animated gauges underneath.

    high confidence · Roundtable discussion, price and feature description provided

  • Jersey Jack games now feature Bluetooth wireless headphone connectivity and Wi-Fi automatic code updates starting with post-Guns and Roses releases.

    high confidence · Roundtable discussion about Jersey Jack's new features and innovations

  • Ghostbusters toppers are in high demand and selling for upwards of $1,000 on the secondary market.

    medium confidence · Roundtable speaker stating 'people are paying upwards of a grand' for Ghostbusters toppers

  • Pinagogo 2024 admission pricing: Friday $20, Saturday $30, Sunday $20 for the full weekend.

    high confidence · Roundtable discussion of Pinagogo pricing and value comparison to Golden State

  • A Roadshow was available at Pinagogo for $3,300 in clean condition with color DMD upgrade included.

    high confidence · Dan discussing best deal spotted at Pinagogo show

Notable Quotes

  • “So they're doing a Royal Edition, which can be yours for the low, low price of only $10,000. So it's a pretty good buy, considering what all the upgrades cost separate.”

    Dan @ ~early segment — Framing the MMR Royal Edition value proposition against individual upgrade costs

  • “And that's what's cool. It's not static. Like, he's moving his head around. You know, up until I saw that, I've really never been one for the toppers. It's like, yeah, they're cool, but they don't really do anything for me. And then I see that, and I'm like, it's interactive.”

    Roundtable member (likely Brian or Dan) @ ~Black Knight topper discussion — Shift in opinion about toppers due to interactive features; highlights the appeal of mechanical toppers

  • “Spooky just keeps knocking them out of the park.”

    Roundtable member @ ~Alice Cooper topper discussion — Positive sentiment about Spooky's first topper effort despite some criticism

  • “That's a game changer. That's a step in the right direction. That's using the internet and pinball and technology. Smartly.”

    Roundtable member @ ~Jersey Jack Wi-Fi update discussion — Enthusiasm for automatic code update feature as industry advancement

  • “I think leaderboards should be done as well. You know, if you're going to hook to Wi-Fi, have online leaderboards.”

    Roundtable member @ ~Jersey Jack connectivity discussion — Feature suggestion for maximizing Jersey Jack's Wi-Fi connectivity potential

  • “$20, dude, for the whole weekend? That's awesome. That's crazy good.”

    Roundtable member @ ~Pinagogo pricing discussion — Positive reaction to Pinagogo's affordable pricing compared to Golden State

  • “It felt old school Pinnagogo. And I know that's what Don wants the very much laid back, low key effect.”

    Roundtable member @ ~Pinagogo recap — Describes Pinagogo's event positioning and organizational philosophy

Entities

Spencer KlingonpersonDanpersonChicago Gaming CompanycompanyMedieval Madness Remake Royal EditionproductBlack Knight: Sword of RagegameAlice Cooper: Nightmare CastlegameWilly WonkagameJersey Jack PinballcompanyStern Pinballcompany

Signals

  • ?

    product_strategy: Chicago Gaming Company releasing Medieval Madness Remake Royal Edition ($10,000) alongside offering à la carte upgrade components ($250-$1,000) to existing owners. Allows market segmentation while providing upgrade path for current collectors.

    high · Dan detailed pricing: topper $650, display $600-$1,000, RGB GI $250. Royal Edition includes all upgrades plus aesthetic enhancements (diamond black armor, powder-coated coin door, mirror blades).

  • ?

    product_innovation: Shift from static decorative toppers to interactive animated toppers (Black Knight head articulation, Alice Cooper brain eyeball movement, gauge needles). Interactive features commanding 2-3x pricing but generating significantly higher collector interest.

    high · Black Knight topper ($599) with moving head and mask described as game-changer; Alice Cooper ($299) with moving eyeballs; contrast with static MMR topper ($650) generating mixed reception.

  • ?

    technology_signal: Jersey Jack implementing Wi-Fi automatic code updates and Bluetooth wireless headphone connectivity. Industry-first move in pinball for OTA software delivery and connected audio experience.

    high · Starting post-Guns and Roses releases, all Jersey Jack games will feature automatic Wi-Fi code updates and Bluetooth headset support. Panelists expect Stern and competitors to adopt similar features.

  • $

    market_signal: Discontinued factory toppers (Ghostbusters, Star Wars, KISS) commanding premium secondary market prices ($1,000+). Indicates FOMO dynamics and scarcity-driven collector demand for factory toppers.

    high · Panelist: 'Ghostbusters topper, people are paying upwards of a grand.' Star Wars topper described as 'almost like it never even came out. Like, they are so hard to find.'

Transcript

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0:00
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0:23
Welcome to the Spinner's Lit Trimball Podcast. I'm your host, Spencer Klingon. Tonight's episode, episode 26. Talking about toppers.
0:33
With us tonight is the usual gang, the roundtable crew. We had a couple of technical difficulties in the first round because I've been drinking and Bud was barking.
0:46
Okay, so there's a lot going on in pinball. We got a lot to talk about, so let's jump right into it.
0:54
Rusty, you got a shout out before we get started? Hey, Greg. Hey, shout out to Greg from Capital Quarter of Pinball League. It was great to see you again at Pinagogo because you've been on a hiatus from league. And it's always nice, man, just to play some pinball with you and hang out. So shout out to you. He's our number one fan. He is our number one fan. And our only listener. Yeah, not our only listener, but we'll get to more shout outs later. So to Greg, salute.
1:22
Okay, so we're going to jump right into the topper talk. We've got a whole bunch of games, a whole bunch of toppers coming out, and some other cool accoutrements, if you will, for the games. So we're going to start with the MMR, or Medieval Madness Remake. And they've got a really cool topper and some other cool stuff, too. So, Dan, start us out. All right. So, Medieval Madness Remake came out 2015, 2016. and they hadn't come up with the XL display and they hadn't come up with the really sharp toppers and they hadn't come up with the GI LED yet or the LED GI, the tri-color GI, color changing, right? So now we're doing it. We're going to have all three of those and they're actually making those available to all of the existing Medieval Madness remake owners. So you can order the topper for $650. Yikes. Yeah, that's serious. you can order the display if you don't have the color chip for the low low price of only $1,000 but if you do have the color chip you don't have to order another color chip so you get it for $600 or maybe $650 there and then the RGB GI is $250 so on the RGB GI is that like a plug in chip or do you actually have to go in and physically change that on the board I'm sure you're probably going to have to go in and change out the boards, from what I know. Maybe they can use the existing boards and the existing wiring, and you just change a chip or something. They haven't really said how that works from the standpoint of the technology.

“The Ghostbusters topper is hot like fire. The Ghostbusters topper, people are paying upwards of a grand out here today.”

Roundtable member @ ~topper demand discussion — Indicates secondary market heat for discontinued Stern toppers

  • “It's the technology, Alex. It's the technology. It's the open-eyed saints as an iron man.”

    Spencer Klingon (host) @ ~Jersey Jack discussion conclusion — Humorous reference to technology integration in pinball; likely a cultural callback

  • “There you go. Absolutely, it would fit perfect on that. So if you want to put a $300 top on your $500 game.”

    Roundtable member @ ~Class of 1812 discussion — Humorous observation about disproportionate topper cost relative to game value

    • Pinagogo
    event
    Golden State Pinballevent
    Spooky Pinballcompany
    Gregperson
    Chris Franchiperson
    Julie Driscollperson
    Sparkyperson
    Tom Hileyperson
    Practical Steveperson
    Henryperson
    Tilt Toppercompany
    ?

    product_concern: Concern raised about automatic OTA updates potentially overwriting custom code modifications. Home collectors running customized Ghostbusters and Guardians soundtracks could lose modifications via automatic updates.

    medium · Panelists discussing Henry's Ghostbusters with custom code refusing updates; concern that Wi-Fi updates could 'screw up' user customizations without explicit opt-in mechanism.

  • ?

    business_signal: Jersey Jack positioning as technology innovator with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth features; panelists expect Stern to follow. Signals technology differentiation as competitive lever.

    medium · Panelist: 'I wish Stern would do something like that. I think that's probably coming for them down the road. Since Jack did it, I think all the companies will get on board with that pretty quick.'

  • ?

    event_signal: Pinagogo repositioned as low-key, affordable alternative to Golden State. Pricing at $20/weekend vs. $40-$50 Golden State; focus on community gathering vs. production value.

    high · Multiple panelists praise Pinagogo's 'old school' feel, affordability, and laid-back atmosphere. Contrast with Golden State's 'sound and fury' production value.

  • ?

    collector_signal: Factory toppers becoming de facto collectibility standard. Panelists note disproportionate topper costs ($300-$650) relative to used game values, yet demand remains high for machines with toppers.

    medium · Humorous note: 'So if you want to put a $300 topper on your $500 game.' Yet interactive toppers like Black Knight driving purchase interest despite premium pricing.

  • ?

    community_signal: Jersey Jack's Wi-Fi automatic updates addressing operator pain point of manual USB code updates. Panelist notes: 'That's going to save the time and hassle of an operator to have to update the code with a USB stick.'

    high · Panelists discussing operational efficiency gains from automatic updates, especially for location-based machines without reliable Wi-Fi.

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Panelists express preference for interactive toppers over static ones. Black Knight topper's articulated head and moving mask generating more enthusiasm than MMR's static RGB topper, despite similar pricing.

    medium · Panelist initial skepticism ('I've really never been one for the toppers... they don't really do anything for me') converted by Black Knight's interactivity ('it's interactive. Right.').

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Jersey Jack's Willy Wonka Collector's Edition securing original film actress (Veruca Salt/Julie Driscoll) for custom voice callouts and autographed cabinet.

    high · Panelist details: actress in her 60s (was child star) providing custom callouts matching original film voice; autographs from three original actors on game cabinet.

    • 3:04
    But the exciting thing is they decided, hey, we've got all these enhancements coming up. Why don't we just go ahead and release a new version of Medieval Madness Remake? And so they're doing a Royal Edition, which can be yours for the low, low price of only $10,000.
    3:23
    So it's a pretty good buy, considering what all the upgrades cost separate. It also comes with the new color of armor. It's like diamond black. It's like a sparkly black. And it comes with a powder-coated coin door and black mirror blades. So if you are looking to buy a Medieval Madness remake, and you got $10,000 kicking around, might be the one to grab. Now, do you have your remake? Is that the LE or the standard? So I have a remake limited. Okay. And the only difference between your remake limited and your standard edition is that if you bought the limited, they cost the same price. They're both $8,000 if you bought them brand new.
    4:07
    With the remake, you got your choice of armor, which was black, stainless or gold, and you got the shaker motor included. There's like a little LE plaque on the apron, and the original idea was that your limited editions were supposed to have more clear coat and were supposed to have an upgraded cabinet, but they ended up just doing those on all the standard editions and the Attack from Mars and all that. That just ended up becoming their standard cabinet and clear coat. So there are some differences, but for all the people who are just, like, losing their mind because there's going to be a more limited edition, I'm sort of like, hey, look, they gave us a way that we can have all the new features. Right. And maybe even pay a couple hundred less dollars if you really did all the math that breaks out about Dead Solid even.
    5:01
    So that's cool. I mean. I think that was a great direction. so people who bought it on the original remake, limited edition, or even the standard, they're not getting shortchanged. Yeah, exactly. Well, and I thought that maybe, like, originally we were talking about this a while back, and it was like, hey, do an upgrade kit. Do an upgrade kit with a topper and an XL display so that people who have a Medieval Madness remake and they have an Attack from Mars limited edition, they can have them sitting side by side and the medieval doesn't look like it's not as cool. Yeah. And they kind of went above and beyond saying, hey, RGB LED GI, you can have that too. So that's super, super cool. I'm planning, depending on, of course, whether I have any money at the time, to buy all the upgrades and bring my Medieval Madness up to full spec. But even if I don't buy any of the others, I definitely want that XL display because it is cool. It is pretty neat. It's pretty cool. The toppers are really beautiful too. The toppers are neat. I don't like the fact that, like, when they busted out of the topper scene, and you're going to see this a lot when we talk about toppers tonight, the attack topper has animation. Right. And lights and all that. Right. And the Monster Bash topper only has lights, and the Medieval topper only has lights. But they are, you know, RGB, and they do change depending on what you're doing in the game. I think the medieval topper definitely has the coolest looking molding because it's got the king and he's got the falcon on his arm and then it's got the trolls off to his side and a big castle backdrop which was apparently drawn by Chris Franchi so take that for what you will but yeah I think that's absolutely a great great looking topper and for the people who have MMR and have the other remakes and felt like it was lagging. There you go.
    7:00
    Any other thoughts, folks? It looks cool. The copper and the copper. That's all highly subjective. It's a great-looking topper.
    7:12
    I'll talk more about that later because I prefer the Black Knight one, but we'll talk about that later. What's coming up next? Oh, no, the Black Knight one is awesome. Without question, that's probably the best. It is clearly better, but... I am not an aftermarket topper guy at all. See, I'm not. That being said, it's just some of my... You know what's kind of weird if you think about it is these really aren't aftermarket toppers. You know, this isn't a tilt topper thing. Which, by the way, speaking of tilt topper, it is a shame that they don't make their medieval topper anymore. Because that thing was super cool and was only $200.
    7:41
    You know who else, if you're looking at aftermarket toppers, aren't there? Sparky. Sparky's topper, his Ghostbusters topper, is freaking kick-ass. He makes cool toppers, and they're super affordable. Yeah, super affordable and really, really good looking. The Ghostbusters topper, Cheddar has them on his Ghostbusters, and it is really cool. It's like, if you haven't seen it, it's Gozer's Temple. It's backlit with color-changing LEDs. It looks really cool. And then silhouettes on the Ghostbusters. That's the same one that's on John Robeson's. Okay, he's got the Sparks topper. No, he doesn't. No. John Robeson has the laser effect one. Oh, okay. That was the same one that I had. Oh, no. All right. So we'll move on to, but, you know, so if you want to spend less money, you still get a bitchin' topper, and you're into aftermarket toppers. Sparky. Forced ale. Measle mods, right? Measle mods, I believe. Yeah. So.
    8:39
    And so they drive the motorcycle. Why do I have the door open? Because I don't have the seat. You know, this is what you get, folks, on our wonderful little show. It's free. Free entertainment. There's Bud. All right. Get out of the trash.
    8:54
    God, I'm so buzzed tonight. You're so bud? I'm so bud tonight. Yeah, no, the beer. What topper's next, Spencer? The Black Knight Sword of Rage Knight topper. DK3K. If you haven't seen any of these toppers, go on YouTube and check them out. And it talks. The head, what it is, because this is, you know, internet radio, it's a three dimensional black knight head and upper torso including the feather and then behind it are two of the castle drawbridges that light up the same way that the drawbridge lights up on the actual game thank you Buzz for barking at grandma not a show without Buzz I think I'm a pleaguer now and it's really cool it's interactive so when the night pops and the lights and the eyes light up and then the the face mask and it's articulated so it moves the end moves forward and backward and the head turns and it moves side to side and it's really freaking cool what's the price on that five or six hundred that's 5.99 okay so 600 bucks so for 50 bucks less than that mmr topper you get a whole lot more. A ton of animation. And that's what's cool. It's not static. Like, he's moving his head around. You know, up until I saw that, I've really never been one for the toppers. It's like, yeah, they're cool, but they don't really do anything for me. And then I see that, and I'm like, it's interactive. Right. The new ones are. The Black Knight one's really well done. Like I said earlier, I'm not a topper guy. I wouldn't buy one for my game. I'm in there with you, Brian. I put the, like, Morrowind, Blackfish, and a Whitewater.
    10:46
    That's perfect. I'm not spending $600. But that Black Knight one is amazing, and I'm really going to make sure to push Dan to buy one for his Black Knight development.
    10:58
    If there was any way to get it to work with the game, I bet there's a way we could figure it out where you can hook that stuff up to Flash and you can figure out what kind of bolt it drives it. I guarantee you we can figure something out. Because the shame, well, the Stern games have topper code. Like, there's coding that runs the toppers if they have topper animation. But for a while, like, the toppers that they made, like Ghostbusters and like KISS, like, you know, you could use them as like a shelf display or something and plug them in and they would do something. But this thing, I can't imagine it really doing anything super worthwhile away from the game. I'm going to throw out on any Stern topper, if it's available and you're on the fence about it, don't wait because those seem to go pretty quickly and they stop production. And then, like you mentioned, the Kiss topper, you know, they stopped production on those and now people still want them. Oh, the Ghostbusters topper is hot like fire. The Ghostbusters topper, people are paying upwards of a grand out here today. People want those things really, really bad. I think we should start with that too. You know, the thing about the Star Wars toppers, it's almost like it never even came out. Like, they are so hard to find. That's what I understand. Yeah.
    12:13
    Anyway, yeah, the Star Wars topper's still in whatever. We don't know what's going on. Limbo.
    12:19
    So, okay. So, Black Knight topper's really cool. On to the Alice Cooper Nightmare Castle topper. If you guys haven't seen this, have you seen it? You guys did not do your homework. I saw a picture of it. I saw the video of it. It's really cool. It's um, it can actually work on a few other games like it would even though strange
    12:42
    Maybe yeah, so what it is It's a brain in a jar and the brain has eyeballs and it's also interactive and it turns side to side
    12:51
    It has four gauges underneath it with dials and it has needles that move back and forth the light up and it works to the Music analysis boys and then you got a little like lightning powered things like in Monster Bash next to Frankenstein have something similar to those and they light up and change color so it's interactive, the brain moves and stuff, the eyeballs move when Alice is talking and the gameplay has different lights and the gauges go crazy it's really neat and it's only $299 that's pretty heavy duty and it's interactive So, Spooky just keeps knocking them out of the park. I thought it looked kind of cheesy. It is kind of, but it fits the game well. I think it would look good on Strange Science. Strange Science has the awesome neon topper. I still want that game. Like, yeah, I thought it looked kind of cheesy, but, you know, if it's only a couple few hundred dollars, like, maybe it's a little bit more tolerable. Like, when I saw it, I thought it was fan-made. Like, I was like, oh, that's kind of clever. And then I was like, oh, that's official. all. And I'm not trying to shit on it because I'm a big fan of Alice Cooper. I think that that is a super cool game. And, you know, let's keep in mind this is Spooky's first foray into this, right? They haven't made a topper before. So, I mean, you know, give them until their third one and it'll probably be pretty good. If it's the game well, if it's the theme well, so, you know, I give them kudos for a good first effort. It's cheesy, but it's fun. Science fiction cheesy fun. Well, if you're a topper fan, And, you know, and there are guys, like, we know two or three guys in our group who have to put something on top of their game for better or for worse, whether it's the right thing or the wrong thing. I just put dust on mine, which I pretty well. Yeah, generally, I haven't put a lot on top of my games either. I think I have a soccer ball sitting on top of my World Cup soccer pretty much forever. But I think that, like, you know, if you want toppers and you need toppers, like, these factory toppers are super cool. They are. But, you know, $600, $650, that's a heavy commitment. Yeah, it is. It is. And it's neat looking, but that's a lot of coin, man. That's half of an old used, you know.
    15:10
    Okay. So, topper. Okay, so we're going to jump into Jersey Jack. Now, there's two toppers I've seen out there, and I don't know if one's an official one or a fan-made one. the collector's edition has a topper if you haven't seen it it's got an Oompa Loompa, some candy, a wonga bar it lines up and it's neat but like again it does nothing yeah I mean it's not terrible and if it comes with a game okay cool but it's not paying for it oh and pay extra for it but there's another one of Willy Wonka this backlit it's got like this candy swirl it changes colors that looks pretty cool too that's the one I'm not sure if that's the elite topper or if it's a if it's an aftermarket i think the official one is just sort of like a laserific looking thing and it kind of has waka off to the side well that's one of them but the uh the collector's edition one because you know they released the collector's edition and they showcased it at expo um but since we're on that so we'll talk about that topper but we'll move right into uh other features of that game which are really cool yeah you get all the armor the glitter and stuff and that's all really cool and in person I haven't seen it yet so personal but it's really beautiful uh but what else did you get is you get autographs of three of the stars in the movie um so the kid that played Charlie well he's not a kid anymore he's in his 60s um the guy that played uh Mike TV and the girl that played Maruka Salt and she is Julie Don Coles, or actress's name, she is doing custom voice call-outs for Wonka. Including some of the ones that they had the guy doing, they switched over to her. And she still sounds, she can make herself sound like she did when she was a kid pretty good.
    16:56
    And it's, what I've seen and heard of it, it's pretty cool. And they autographed the game as well as Jack and John Yossi and Pat Lawler. So you get, you know, that, some other cool stuff. But I think the custom call-outs are really cool. which leads us into the next part of the topic in Jersey Jack while we're here is if you guys have not heard or read up on it starting with the next game well post WGuns and Roses so we'll say yeah it's WGuns and Roses they got two new cool features coming out Wi-Fi interactivity interconnectivity for wireless headphones so every Jack game coming out now so if you go to a show or to a barcade or wherever and you want to play, you just bring your wireless headphones with you, and you can connect right there and really hear everything. That's a fantastic idea. I wish Stern would do something like that. I think that's probably coming for them down the road. Since Jack did it, I think all the companies will get on board with that pretty quick. Right. Because you know you can't hear, especially at a show. Like at Golden State this last year, when they had the Black Knight, they had the headphones there with the headphone jack, so you could totally hear all the sounds of the game. That was fantastic. So now to have that wireless feature, like, wow, that's really cool. Nothing is better to hear Steve Rickey scream in your ear.
    18:19
    The other cool innovation is with all games moving forward from Jersey Jack, there'll be, well, I'm sorry, it's not Wi-Fi. It's Bluetooth. Bluetooth is going to be running the headsets. It's Wi-Fi connectivity that's going to give the game automatic updates. So when a code update is released, if your game's powered up, it's going to upload it immediately.
    18:45
    That's not a bad idea at all. I would love that. Well, think about we were talking before we went on air just a few blocks away. Jersey Jack codes are kind of a little bit of a processed update too. Well, they can be, and no more memory sticks on that. But you were just talking about the Deadpool near the house here, near the kitchen table studios, talking about going over and playing. Russ and I haven't been over to play in a little while. at Louie's. And I'm betting it's probably still... I'm going to go after the show tonight, and I bet it's probably going to still be hungry for a code update. Yeah, it's probably still going to be original first, you know, because they got the game. Which is boring. They got that game for what, a year? Almost a year. And then it first came out, yeah. Yeah, it's still running original code. I can't wait to see what the playfield looks like. But, you know, that's the thing with these automatic code updates, man. I mean, that's a game changer. That's a step in the right direction. That's using the internet and pinball and technology. Smartly. Yeah, in a really smart way.
    19:42
    And that's going to be a lot of fun. Anybody got any more thoughts on that? I think it's really awesome. Like I said, I wish Stern will do that. Like you said, they'll probably do that on their later pen runs. It saves the time and hassle of an operator to have to update the code with a USB stick. Well, that's if the game is in a location where it can connect to Wi-Fi. True. I hope there's some good security built in. Yeah, that's exactly where I went. Tin had very time here. Is that, okay, if it can talk to the internet, the internet can talk to it. Yeah, and there's been many times.
    20:23
    It happened when I used to work for Best Buy. It happened a lot before people started locking up the televisions. There's been videos happening at restaurants where they use TVs and, like, built-in wires to put up the menus. They're using those systems to put up whatever you want. and I mean whatever you want. Right. So there's going to have to be some sort of security built into it where maybe it's connected to Wi-Fi and it's like your home at Nest where you can get into it and allow the update to happen or something like that. You know, there's going to be some sort of security built into it where it's not some open Wi-Fi network or anything. You need a firewall for sure. But especially if you take it to the tinfoil hat level and you've got a Jersey Jack game that takes your damn picture. Yeah. Yeah, they're putting you on the Internet. I'm on the grid now. Well, the other thing to look at is this. Look, kids, it's going to be two girls at a cup multiball.
    21:15
    The other thing to look at is this. How many people in the home environment now run custom code? Yeah. You know, they run, you know, a Ghostbusters that someone's fixed the soundtrack or a Guardians, you know, with a fixed soundtrack. And while I hear that Stern is trying to make custom audio, whether it's soundtrack or not, they're trying to make custom audio a feature, it's just one of those things where it's like if you have your game working the way that you want because you updated it, you know, you would have to disable automatic updates because you don't want that crap to go in and screw up, you know, what you've gone through and set up. You know, our friend Henry, who hosts Sleek for us because he's the man, he won't update his Ghostbusters because right now it's got everything that he wants to have on it. There you go. And so if there was Wi-Fi updating, you know, of course he'd want to use it, but you could. So I don't know. I think it's a great idea. I think leaderboards should be done as well. You know, if you're going to hook to Wi-Fi, have online leaderboards. Yes, I know people can shoot and play the game with the glass off, but they shouldn't if they're not fucking pussies. But at the end of the day, what it comes down to is, you know, this is technology catching up with pinball. It's the technology. It's the technology, Alex. It's the technology. It's the open-eyed saints as an iron man. Exactly.
    22:40
    Still, I love technology. Always and forever. And that's how I'm moving it. I don't believe it. industry, science and technology. Then pushing buttons. Then putting screwdrivers into things. Turning them.
    23:00
    And adjusting them. Build your own air roster. State of the art and soft serve technology. And it really works.
    23:10
    We've all seen Mr. Science in the year 3000 numerous times. Alright, we're going to get up to the pinnagogo review. pinnacogo where the wind goes sweeping across the plain. Dan and I didn't get there on Friday because we also had a friend, Bob Conner, move a death clip out of my friend Ray's house. But we went Saturday and Sunday. And Saturday was surprisingly low-key. Sunday was busier, it felt like. But, yeah. Did you guys not make it? We made it Sunday. Oh, yeah, you were there. We played a lot of football. Saturday was great. Yeah, it was. It was very much old school pinnacogo, and I'm talking like, you know, 15, 14 years ago before a lot of people ever got into the hobby. It was very low-key. It was really mellow. There was a ton of great games there to play. You know, there wasn't many deals to be had. Yeah. Personally, I think Dan and I agreed on this. The deal we saw at the show was the roadshow for $3,300, which is expensive for a roadshow, but it was clean. It worked right and included a color DMV. That was yeah, that was a great
    24:23
    No, it wasn't a little goal they had a walk of their that's first like a lot of time on a walk up It's fun. It's a great game. They had a transporter. They had a joust
    24:33
    Oktoberfest was there, you know, there's a bunch of great games that for the most part parts, excuse me Played really well. I didn't have to wait too long of a line to play anything. Even Oktoberfest and Wonka the line for you, you waited five minutes at most. Yeah, it was absolutely great. I had a great time. Sunday we hung out with Practical Steve a lot. And it was just, excuse me, it was just fun. And we hung out with Henry too, that's right. It was just, it was a good time. It felt old school, Pinnagogo. And I know that's what Don wants the very much laid back, low key effect. And shout out and hats off and a big salute to the organizers Tom Hiley and whoever else is involved in that, I'm not sure. They did a fantastic job and definitely it's got that old school old go-go feel and they're doing it right, man. You know?
    25:30
    On my subliminal side, stay away. It sucks. You don't want to go. That way it stays less crowded. Right, yeah. We had a great time Saturday. We didn't make it Sunday. We had other plans already with the Bannisters.
    25:44
    But we made it Saturday. I missed last year because last year it was the same weekend as the boys' trail life campery, which this year was the next following weekend, which was a blast.
    25:56
    I loved doing that, so I'm glad I got to do both. And no, they didn't hike in any pinball machines. No, but we had outhouse races. That was fun.
    26:07
    And a lot of other cool tomahawk throwing and cool stuff like that. What did you think, Dan? It was a good show. He enjoyed the tomahawk throwing. The tomahawk throwing was great. I literally cannot believe that they let us do that inside of the show. You know, the funny thing about Pinnagogo, how it used to be and what it turned into, and then it sort of evolved into Golden State and then it, you know, had a new resuscitation as the pinnacle that it is now, is that, yeah, it's so much different than the big production that that Golden State is and the Sound and the Fury. It's just a room full of pinball, your buddies, and, you know, there's a snack bar. And, I mean, the vendors were there. There were some good deals to be had. Rick rolled out a lot of stuff. Rick rolled out a lot of junk, you know, and there were some just good old-fashioned deals. I mean, don't get me wrong, they weren't all great deals, but it was really cool. And it was really, really cool to kind of have that back and to see that it's actually advancing from what they did last year, where last year was very basic. This year was a little bit less basic. they just really if I had one huge just word of advice to the pentagogo organizers is they just need to put in some place that when you're not doing the whole show thing you can go out and sit that's not bricks and a planter or like you know two benches in the sun like they have that big tree like you need to get some picnic tables in there or something you know someplace to hang out when you trying to show down Picnic tables yeah You know, like, it'd just be cool, man. But, yeah, for the most part, I can't say anything bad. Security was on the ball. They caught us drinking again, like, in five minutes.
    28:04
    You weren't there again. Yeah, we had to walk all the way out to the cave. It's really great. It was rough. It was terrible. But it's really great, though, that we have two shows in Northern California, one in spring and one in fall. Yeah, it's really good. Well, and then, you know, the nice thing is that Pinnagogo and Golden State both feel to me respectfully like the seasons they're in. You're coming out of wintertime. You're waking up again. You're ready to go do something that's loud and exciting, you know, go out camping, whatever. And you have Golden State for that, which is definitely loud and brash and awesome. And you have fall where you're starting to slow down a bit. the weather's cooling down. You have Golden State, which is, or excuse me, Nogogo, which is more low-key. It feels more low-key. Like, it's alright. It's more of a fallish-feeling thing. You know, the weather, what can you say? It's better to have it in October when it's not 110 degrees out. That was nice. It was a beautiful day. A little rain blast Golden State. It did. Those were golden showers.
    29:08
    Since it's in California, You remember that Golden State Showers? That was played by the government. It was, yeah. It's raining gold. I had a blast at Pentecogo this year. You know, played some great games. Had a lot of fun playing a lot of pinball. You know, I didn't volunteer. I didn't bring any games. I just showed up. It was nice to just show up and just hang out with the bros and play pinball and see some of the old gang. It was like cold home week. Well, dude, I'm starting to rip. Let's talk about the price. I was just thinking that. I was like, $20, dude, for the whole weekend? That's awesome. That's crazy good. Yeah, yeah. It's affordable for the family still. But, I mean, it's not that Golden State is that bad. Wasn't it $40? I think so, yeah. And you get three times. It's $50 for the whole weekend. I believe 20 Fridays, 20 Sundays, 30 Saturdays. 10 Saturdays, yeah.
    29:58
    Not going to be Saturday. 20, 30, 20. Yeah. Yeah, it's three times the show. Like, don't get me wrong. It's worth double the money, but no one's trying to say that Golden State's overpriced, but Pinagogo's a hell of a deal for the amount of good time they could get. Right. Yeah. Like I said, there's great games there. There's rare games there. Mark brought his Tron LE.
    30:24
    Mark Rebate? Mark, sorry. Okay, yeah, Mark brought his Tron LE there. There's a transport. Don brought Steve Sherwin's Spirit. Yes. there was just a bunch of good rare stuff you don't see all the time. It was fun to play. A lot of people were enjoying that spirit. I played the snot out of it. It's great to see it there. Yes, I enjoyed it.
    30:48
    I profiled three games in my notes. And I didn't profile spirit because that goes without saying, man. Not only the spirit, but it's our dear friend Steve Charlotte's spirit. Three Games I Profiled was Class of 1812 which is such a fun game What a stupid game I love that game The chicken mouth is probably the best thing ever When you get multi-ball and it plays 1812 Overture with the chicken I love that and the chattering TV and the heartbeat That game is so fun It's really fun It's stupid but it's just insanely good Sorry to interrupt again, but any game that the ACNC top would fit on, that's it. Yeah, there you go. Absolutely, it would fit perfect on that. So if you want to put a $300 top on your $500 game. Rusty and I first played Joust at the last Golden State. We had a good time. It seemed the whole day Saturday, it never went down. It was playing. It was always people on it. There wasn't really a line, but there was always people on it. That Joust game, I have no idea what I'm doing. excuse me, but it's a kick in the pants. Trying to score points. You know, the next time that you go to Reno, if you see Mike Huntsman, have him tell you how to play Joust. That dude is the Joust master. Yeah, Mike Huntsman is like the guru of cocktail table tennis. Dude, he knows some obscure shit. Yeah, he does. And he will walk you through like rule sets from the 80s that are unfathomably complex. and you're like, wait, this game is from 1983 and he's like, you gotta do this, and if you do this, when this is like this, and it lights this, then you can do this, and this, and this, and this. Oh yeah, like I said, crazy deep, crazy deep rule sets from all games. Like, he played Joust, uh, I played Joust with him, and of course it was just a monumental ass-kicking, but like, he was, you know, he told me, this is what you want to shoot for, this is what you want to hit, when you do this, then you do this, and then you can put some paint on. Because the idea is to figure out how to attack your opponent and score points. Yeah, it's a super cool game. It is, it is. Drops a lot of stars. And that was a surprisingly nice job. So it was in very good shape. Yes, it played beautifully. To the point that I grabbed a bunch of pictures, so when I get my hands on Todd's to fix his, I can get some ideas of what I can do to make his play look that nice. There you go. Another game that I really love playing, Cheddar had it in his arcade for a bit and then moved it on. The full-dancing T-Rex? No.
    33:25
    God, I miss it. Nugent? No, and I want it as a new game, but I just don't want to pay what he wants for it, even though it's worth it. Because, you know, I'm a huge, huge fan. Oh, I know this one. It's Grand Prix. That game, the spinner rips on that game, I mean. The spinner is lit. I'm telling you, the spinner rips on that game make you harder than Chinese arithmetic. I'm telling you, man. It does have the ultimate spinner rip. That's the word you're going, Brian.
    33:51
    It's like the bigger version of Snow Derby. I hate Rastree. for me. Rusty? I had a good time. Like you said, old home week. I really enjoyed seeing everybody.
    34:34
    Yeah the, what is it called? Battle 1812? Oh, Battle 1812. Okay yeah that one was a kick in the pants. When I did actually get multi-ball I could faintly hear the chicken. On that note, because it was as low key as it was there were opportunities to actually hear the games when you were playing. It really depended on what game and where it was. What game, where it was and of course how many people were there. You still couldn't hear Beatles.
    35:07
    I didn't play Beatles. We played Deadpool right next door. Deadpool premium. Love Deadpool. With the topper. Lots of thumbs down from Mr. Cool.
    35:21
    Okay, Rusty put up like $28 million on her first ball. I'm standing there like the special kid that sells fireworks. So you're on fire?
    35:30
    I put up almost $350 million on the game total and I didn't even get on the board. Yeah, I know. People have figured out how to just devastate that game for millions of points. Love that game.
    35:46
    I'm going to give it a thumbs down. You still don't like Deadpool that much, huh? It's fine. You like Monsters that are Deadpool, don't you? I haven't played Monsters enough to make that judgment, but I kind of think I do. Monsters is all right. It's not a bad game. I wouldn't know. I just love Deadpool. I played a decent amount of Monsters at the show. It's all right. I don't think it's the steaming pile of horse crap that everyone says it is. You know what? Just because I say these things doesn't mean you shouldn't be repeating them. No, no. I don't think so. In general, the haste for Munsters is pretty strong. That game is beautiful. I don't think it's the biggest. I don't think it's as bad as people think it is. I mean, it's not a drive time, but then again, what is it? It ain't no drive time. It's got a simple rule set. It's perfect for location play, just like the Addams Family. Everybody knows it, and it's a fun game, and it's a great shooter. But it goes back to what we've talked about before of people see the Munsters, and they think Addams Family. I think that was more pre-release. Like, honestly enough, I think that when the game was coming out, everybody was like, it's going to be the next Addams Family. And then it came out, and it was what it was. And, you know, I kind of agree with what Brian was saying. Like, Monsters is fun. Like, it's a cool game. I like it. I don't love it, but I like it. I'm not knocking it. I'm just saying a lot of people, their first thought is, you know, Addams Family. No, I'm not. Even though it's not. And I think that had they taken Monsters, which I know was something that apparently John Borg really, really wanted to do. Had they stuck monsters with a better theme, I think that that game would get a lot more love, even though it is one of, like, the John Borg, you know, this is John Borg's default layout, you know, so it's got that Metallica. Well, apparently that's the kind of stuff you wanted to put in. It's got that Metallica feel. It's got that. But, you know, we've talked about monsters before. It's just one of those. It's a great shooting game. It's fun. Yeah, shoots great. Theme sucks. Is that an Ellie? Theme integration isn't the best. Yeah, there's Ellie. There are a ton of premiums and Ellies there. Yeah, there is. Not a lot of pros, which is nice. Yeah.
    38:01
    There was what? There was Aerosmith Ellie. Yeah. Premium. No, it was an Ellie. I thought it was a premium. No, it was an Ellie. I don't know how they brought the Ellie. If I remember right, it was an Ellie. I think it was a premium. I thought it was an Ellie, too. I think I knew her. I think it was an Aerosmith that had enough reply fees. I'm going to have another pass out and go like, shit, out in the morning.
    38:22
    Like I said, it was a good show. There was lots of good stuff to play. If you guys didn't get there, I feel sorry for you, but try to make it next year. You know what team I played a lot of? World Challenge Soccer. I've never got a game on that I meant to. Man, you know what game actually really kind of sucks? World Challenge Soccer. No, no, man. Shock attack. Fuck that game.
    38:49
    World Challenge Soccer was actually kind of fun, but, you know. We did get some time in on Lawrence T2. That was the first time I played a T2 in quite a long time. And that's just a fun, easy to understand and follow game. Yeah. You know, I understand why it grabs the money that it gets. In a small collection, I guess it's kind of boring, but it's a fun game. And like I said, first time I played it in a long time, I just simply enjoyed it. And I've been enjoying playing much of this game. It was just nice to remember what... It's a solid shooter, man. It's a solid shooting game. It shoots great. It plays great. The rules, if you can't understand the rules, maybe you shouldn't be breathing.
    39:26
    But it's... Maybe you aren't breathing. Yeah. You know, we... Breathing is overrated. Who does that anymore? I don't know. We played a lot. and like Dan alluded to, Rick brought a bunch of stuff. There was some junk there, but there was some really cool stuff too. There was a brand new in the crate, Space Station populated plate field. Wow. Brand new in the crate, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein plate field. Wow. There was a bunch of NOS, you know, second, third run plate fields he brought.
    39:58
    Translates, real blueprints, miscellaneous parts. What else? It translates a bunch of stuff. So you're talking about Rick from Planetary Kimball? Yeah, that was on the far side where all those play fields were leaned on. Okay. I glanced over there a little bit, but then I see somebody I knew was, you know, giving a hug. Their prices weren't great. Like, if you were looking open to find a smoking deal there, you probably weren't going to find it. Yeah, to find a fully populated, new in the crate, space station play field. He wanted $1,200, but even though it's a fair price, well, it needed work. Really? Yeah, there was some loose inserts in there. And, like, it's new old stock, but that doesn't mean it's going to be perfect. Right.
    40:44
    There are some loose inserts there you can see. I remember looking at it. I was like, oh, this is great. And you look at it and it's like, oh, that insert's loose. It needs some work. But it was cool to see the stuff. You know, I actually bought two of the Williams chrome shooter plate housings. That's cool. Because I was like, oh, I wonder how much they want for these. And, you know, I checked, and it was dirt. And the guy said $10. So I grabbed them, and I threw them in the outside cleaner and tumbled them. They cleaned up great. Nice. You know, there was some nice stuff. And, of course, Wonka and Oktoberfest. Got a lot more time on Oktoberfest and Wonka. Oktoberfest, man, I want that game. There are people out there still bitching about the artwork and the display. Don't care. It's loaded to the gills with cool shots and cool toys and gizmos and gimmicks and stuff lots of stuff to do Lots of stuff to do they keep updating the code the modes are a blast That game is anybody you know if you're bad, you know if you you know Look play the game shut your cake hole until you play the game just play the game I want to know who did the art for that game I don't know don't play the art the back off does suck. It's not playing fields. Okay. It's got a chicken and over the knee socks. Have you seen the slingshots? They're gorgeous. Yeah. Like, the girls on the slingshots are so cute, and whoever drew them, like, did such a great job. And I'm like, why didn't the whole game look like this? Because they took off the monkey.
    42:14
    Yeah, right, they took off the monkey, and that's the problem. Put the monkey back. Somebody did. Somebody put, I saw a picture, I think on Pitsider, it could have been Facebook. Somebody put the little monkey toy in one of the bumper cars with the top bumper. I was like, that's brilliant. Start a position. Bring back the monkey. Hashtag bring back the monkey. Bring back the monkey. Hatch him. Blast him. That game is freaking fun. I don't care who you are. I want one so bad because I want to have a night like this. We're sitting around eating taquitos and pizza. Pizza courtesy of Alice. Thank you, Alice. And pizza. Straw hat. Straw hat pizza just around the corner, which has a lot of the rings over there.
    42:55
    Yeah, it was turned off when I got there. So, you know, that goes to tell you. Let's go save it. Right. When they started in South Park, there'd be kids in there, like little kids, you know, like seven, eight, nine years old, pumping quarters and that thing, just having the time of their life because they'd kill Kenny or get Mr. Hankey to pop out of the toilet. Oh, my gosh. And half the GI was out, and they didn't care. Because it played good. It's just half the GI was out. It was dark. It was nerdy, too. It was the unimportant half. The kids were having a blast playing it. We played a few games on it one night. Yeah, I hope you haven't collapsed on Family Family. No doubt, right? because the one at Coin-Op is on adult mode and that actually makes it really fun. I had a really fun game. Kendra and I had a really fun game on that one day. You know, that's because at Coin-Op, there ain't no kids allowed in there. There ain't no kids allowed in there because it's awesome. Oh, while we're at it, a side note, a very happy birthday to Joe Abate or Abate. I still don't know. Abate. Anyway, happy 40-something, 47? 47, yes. 47th birthday. Happy birthday, brother. We love you. I know. I got to reach out. I reached out to him. I sent an episode with an overview of topics. He's like, let's do it. And then I know he's been really busy with Temecula, so I just been kind of leaving him alone. He just opened up yesterday on Halloween. Exactly. So I just kind of been leaving him alone. I'm going to reach out to him again. Yes. And we're going to get it going. But happy birthday, brother. And, you know, happy birthday. I hope you and Oxana are having just a great day.
    44:20
    Bye. Uh, the Octoberfest? Uh, yes. Um, I played it quite a bit at Lauren's, and I got a couple games in it at Pinnagogo. I like it. I like it a lot. It's a fun game. I love the modes. The modes are quirky and fun. I like quirky, goofy, fun games. Collecting dust. It was cool, man. That is a really good game. I know that, you know, the trendy thing is to hate shit, but man, I just don't see how anyone who says that they like pinball could really just step up to that game and play it and just have that negative of an opinion of it. I don't get it myself. It's stupid. Nope. Didn't say that. I'm sorry. I'm wrong. There you go. Yeah. It's just, you know, it's a good thing. One of my old supervisors years and years ago, God rest his soul, he unfortunately passed on, he used to say, there's three things to know if you're married. There are only three words you need to know. I'm wrong, I'm sorry, and I'm stupid. I'm like, all right, I'll remember that. And he does. And they're all through. October 5th is just such a kick-ass game. So give it a chance, man. If you haven't played it, if you only play one or two games, play about 20 more. You'll have a good time, I promise. And just ignore the art. It's just pinball, man. On to Wonka. Played a bunch more Wonka. Played Wonka with Greg. Hung out with Greg and hung out in the line and waited and played Wonka. Had a blast. That game gets better all the time. I want one of those too. That game was a lot of fun. My only gripe is that it's hard to see the feed to the upper right flipper. Yeah. Because you got the ramp right there. Otherwise, I think that's a really fun game. The game shits like butter. Yeah. Pat Waller, how can you go wrong? I played quite a few games on it. I was playing with Shannon, her husband Gerald, and Sarah. We played like two or three games on it because there was nobody else on the line. It was late at night at the show. Just fun. Yeah. I don't know what else to say about it. I couldn't hear the sound, which kind of stunk. Yeah. But the shots are great.
    46:30
    Willy Wonka, I liked the movie as a kid. It's fine. I don't hate it. It's like I'm in love with it and I need it. It's fun. It's a good game.
    46:39
    For me personally, I'd probably say it's the second best Jersey Jack right behind Pirates. Yeah. But my opinions are also not always agreed upon, so that's fine. Pirates is a good movie. We've talked about this a lot. I don't think there's much of anybody who's going to say that there's a better Jersey Drop game than Pirates. Oh, without question. Pirates is a freaking kick-ass phenomenal game.
    47:03
    It was really designed well. Yeah, man. Even with a few changes that were made to it, you know, to get into production with this. Getting rid of two of the things. Yes, spinning discs and all that. But now you can get the mod where the treasure chest opens back up and it's that. Which is so cool. Dan installed that. Yeah, I helped Jeff install it. That turned out really, really good. It's really funny that Jeff has the rarest edition, the lowest production number game, which is the standard.
    47:34
    And then you can get all the bonds, including the Starry Night mod or whatever. And it's Halloween candy time! Woo!
    47:42
    With, what are those suckers? Oh, we have Lemonhead Suckers. They must be suckers. BONG! Oh, man. There's a bomb, Diddy. Okay.
    47:53
    Have we covered Pinnagogo pretty thoroughly? I think so. So, Pinnagogo, it's the, what, the second weekend in October? Third week. Third weekend in October. After Lauren's October Fat Party. Which I missed year again this year because I had so much else going on. I'm going to get there eventually. It was second week.
    48:11
    So, look. First week with Lauren's party. Right, right. Second week. Correct. Anyways, if you're in Northern California, you've got to go.
    48:21
    If you're in Northern California and the Golden State Pinball Festival is on, you've got to go. Like, you just cannot go. If you're in Northern California and Lauren's having a pinball party, you've got to go. Just one of these things. Just do not not show up. You're missing out. Just do it. Do it. Get to the pinball. Do it. I'm not going to really talk about Expo because I've never been in every other show. Let's talk about Expo with all of our first-hand experience. I'm going to talk about Haggis Pinball and their games that they showcased.
    49:00
    The Kelts. I'm glad I could help you out with that. I love the theme. You look like you lost it.
    49:09
    I'm debating on wanting to have another beer because if I do, I'll probably pass that. So the Kells looks like Oktoberfest, but with caber toss. Yeah. Like in terms of the theme, right? It's all, except for it's got the Clan Wars mode. Yeah. Which sounds pretty good. So the basic premise of the game is you're like at a Celtic festival or Scottish Highland games. And you pick the different games like the you know caber toss and the shop putting beer drinking and whatever else.
    49:43
    It looks really cool. It's a single level play field. There are no ramps. It's got no drop targets, but it's got a lot of stand-up targets, a spinner. It's got two kick-out holes. They keep saying the UKs or Bucs. It's not Bucs. It doesn't lift the ball way off the play field. It just kicks out a little bit. People just like saying Bucs. I know they do. I just don't give a Buc. the buck it looks cool the artwork it looks like it's got a cool looking rule set it looks neat the artwork I do enjoy but here's my question what's your question Spencer well here's my thought we're still trying to figure out how they're going to manufacture they said the price point is going to be right around $5,000 $5,200 isn't going to sell because Because, you know, we just had Suncoast Pinballs, Cosmic Carnival. And that turned out to be a funk. Well, yeah. I mean, they had to file Chapter 13. And they had Dirty Donnie art. Well, okay. They didn't have to file Chapter 13 because of the pinball. Chapter 13 or Chapter 11? Suncoast Arcade is an existing company that decided to make a pinball machine. And then they filed Chapter 11 because of the other business. Not to say that it looks like Cosmic Carnival's been a success, because it doesn't sound like they've sold a lot, but it sounds like maybe they were on questionable financial ground to start with, and therefore they won't be probably making any more of the game, which is a shame. So it almost sounds like Cosmic Carnival was their Hail Mary, and it pretty much went. It just maybe was not going to do. So that only stops making money. They do retro arcade, like, multiplayer. Right, I think the arcade's what put them... The arcade was... I mean, honestly, an arcade's not going to do that. You know, I think that, like, it was a great-looking game, because how are we going to go around with Dirty Donnie?
    51:45
    But apparently it didn't play with the shit, and it had some... Like, the people who bought them, like, you know, it had some serious, serious built-in-the-garage problems. Right, right. So this Kelts game looks really cool. I think $5,000 is about... For a little monkey and a ranch horse. It's about the right price. I'm going to throw a monkey in the wrench on it. I don't think that that makes any sense at all. How do you throw a monkey in a wrench? Okay, well, you know what? I'm going to... You just got to throw the monkey. I'm just going to pee on it. Look, I like everything about it. I couldn't defer. Except it's got inset LCD in the play field. And you know my opinion on this. Anytime you put an LCD in the play field, your phone in it, the fuck in. You run out of good ideas or you're just damn lazy. Fat. Objection. Alien has an LCD in the playfield. Alien has two LCDs on the side. No, no, no, no. The back box one was an option. No, that's three. The playfield one is standard. Yeah, it has the little upper one too. Okay, the little upper one. Now, if you remember, in the original prototype of Alien, I'm so glad you brought that up there, thank you, brother. In the original prototype, that little LCD screen in the upper left playfield wasn't there. It was a little roof. And then when the roof turned around, It was a mechanical toy. So it was a little room like the medical room, like the medical lab. Right. And then it would turn around when you hit the certain buttons or switches or features. And it was like a queen alien or something like that. I still want that game. Huh? I still want that game. You want the LCD? It's like in Waka, the LCD fits really well. And in Star Wars, all green, the LCD fits really well. And in WWE, Royal Rumble. Not Royal Rumble. That's WWF. WWE, whatever.
    53:32
    Ellie. Yeah, Ellie. The Jumbotron. It's just a thing. Wheelie. But gosh bless it, man. I mean, I want more mechanical toys. You know, it's like, you know, it's like you can put a cell phone in there. Okay, there's a screen. Woo! Come on, man. Let's be more creative. Right, but here's the thing. They're making this happen for 5K.
    53:51
    Right? I don't think it's going to do well. Well, I don't think it'll do well either. It's not by Stern or Dirty Jack or something. But that's kind of the price. I hope they do well. God bless them for trying. We were talking about Beatles, right? Yeah. That game fucking rocks. Beatles is a cool game. Obviously expensive to produce because it's got a million drop targets. Well, that and it's a Beatles license. Well, that's kind of where I'm going with this. If you're a star with peace and love, peace and love, no autographs, just send money. If you took the Beatles license out of the equation, would that be an, I mean, arguably it's not even with it, but would that be an $8,000 game? And I think everybody sort of agrees that it's like for $8,000, it was too much. But for $6,000, now we're talking. For $5,000, I would have been in. They're on the secondary market now for $5,000. Yeah, and it's just one of those things where it's like you look at it. Well, that was one. Well, there's one. You know, you look at it, and you sort of go like. The precedent has been set. Right, the precedent has been set. That's my finger cut by beer bottles. you were as dumb as an empty for those who can't see this it's not the same but yeah no it was just like I think that that I don't know if the Celts is the theme to make that happen but like I think that you know a more basic game at a $5,000 price point is something the market needs all they have to do is take the Beatles out and put them in freaking monkeys which would be funny as hell. I love the monkey. I somehow feel like that license of Pride because that expensive I don think so The monkeys are going to be way cheaper than the Beatles Dude you know what I think only one of them has lost it He probably needs the money. Actually, two. Two. Mickey Dolenz and Mike Nesbitt. I'm a huge Monkees fan. I'm a huge Peter Tork guy.
    55:49
    Which one is the one whose mom invented liquid paper? Mike Nesbitt. Yeah. He's not hurting for money. He's probably not hurting for money. I'm a huge Monkeys fan he's not surprisingly he's still famous so like if you did uh the Beatles play field sans the Beatles and you removed drop targets from it so it wasn't crazy expensive do you still think that that game would be fun to play I mean you still need to have some drop targets because you need the one that the target hides behind do you think that game would be worth $5,000 and I think that like with the right theme absolutely that game was fun as shit. Yeah. Beatles was a lot of fun. Or you just take the spinning disc out. No. Well, the spinning disc, you gotta have. I like it. I was a big, like, just see which, I don't really see which we're really doing. Then we went to go pick up Bob Connors' Deadpool. My drink was, I gotta play Beatles.
    56:45
    And it's like, alright, I was wrong. In my head, this game's a lot of fun to play. The rules are decent. And it's just a ton of fun to play. Yeah. Is it $8,000 fun? Absolutely not.
    56:59
    And what you're paying for really with that is, like, has been the drop targets and the license. And drop targets, that's not a new device they had to come up with. That's all. But drop targets are expensive. Drop targets are apparently the most expensive thing you can put on a plan. I have heard a three-day drop target thing, the whole mechanism, runs around $200.
    57:21
    That's so crazy. But the truth is, and even going back in the days, drop targets were the most expensive thing you could put on a pin. And what the designers would do is they would put drop targets everywhere so that when the bean counter said reduce cost, they could pull the drop targets out and replace them with stand-ups. You know, now that's an anecdote, but I mean, it might be accurate. I heard stories that Steve Richard would actually like just scotch tape a drop target, you know, three drop targets onto the top of a play field. They'd say take something out over a wheel, you know, and he'd pull it out and throw it in the trash. because they're happy now. But like stand-ups, you know, they do the same job. I mean, they're not as kinetically pleasing, and they don't look as cool, but stand-ups do the same job and cost, you know, 50 cents a piece. Right. And like I said, leave two or three draw targets because draw targets are cool, and you've got to have them. The biggest thing is just like, you know, put out a game that's fun, that people can play, that... That doesn't have an exorbitant license. Yeah, that doesn't... Thank you. It doesn't have a license that drives the price up. It doesn't have, you know, two or three companies involved in making it that all need their piece. Like, Beatles could be a cool game if it wasn't Beatles. And I think, you know, don't get me wrong. I like the Beatles license. I like the way that they integrated the music. I like the sound calls. And I think the art was really well done. Just, I would love to see Beatles for less money. Yeah, agreed. The rumor is the next throwback is going to be Led Zeppelin built on Quicksilver. Led Zeppelin built on Quicksilver, which Quicksilver I love. Led Zeppelin I could care less about. Hey, man, if you want a $9,000 single-level game, have I got the combination for you. It's Led Zeppelin and Quicksilver. Yeah. Led Silver. Phil Zeppelin. has anybody seen and paid attention to the Beatles topper yeah it's fine well it's really cool because as you're playing the game you like the letters that spell Beatles it lights up on the topper it's fine it's cool it's very kitsch it's very cool I like that if you're buying your $9,000 $8,000 game you should buy your $500 top any more thoughts I wish Haggis Pinball the best of luck I hope they get Kelts out or Celts, whatever. Kelts.
    59:46
    Thank you, bud. Thanks, bud. Bud's like, it's Kelts. I hope they get it out. I hope it does well. I look forward to playing it.
    59:56
    Yeah, there you are. You know? There it is. But the Highland Games is a cool thing. I think it's a great thing. Yeah. Dude, I'm Celtic. And the Clan Wars thing is a cool idea. You can get your name in a clan in the special edition. So that's Not that clan you fucking moron. Can't clan with a C. A Scottish or an Irish clan. I'm American. I don't know what you're talking about.
    60:24
    Up next is Scott Denise's next game. Scott Denise is gonna fight? He's gonna what? Fight. Fight? Yeah. Because didn't he make a haunted house game?
    60:37
    That's what everybody keeps saying is haunted House. And have I ever made a 100 House game? Right. I don't think you did. I'm going to make... Oh, there you go. I'm going to make my prediction here. You're here to hear first. I have no insider knowledge saying that now, but I think I know what his game's going to be.
    60:57
    Tell us. Scooby-Doo. Here's why. Some things he said in recent interviews... No. No, it wasn't Scooby-Doo. It was, it says, give me a license. They have all the assets available to them.
    61:15
    Yes. He said a couple other things. Now, if you go back a couple years, back when they were doing Jetsons, they got, because the pinball company, they got introduced with Hanna-Barbera. They got all the assets they wanted from Jetsons. No, they didn't. They got a lot of assets. No, they didn't. Yeah, no, they didn't. No, it was very, it was very, uh, they didn't get a lot of stuff, or they didn't use a lot. They didn't use a lot, but they actually got a lot. Like, they didn't use the voices. I know. Remember, all those people are dead.
    61:49
    Yeah, but there's media that you can look at. You can look them up. You can copyright it, and you can look them up on the show. Well, right. Anyway, so, I just have a suspicion, because, look, that would fit the Haunted House castle, mansion, graveyard theme really well. It fits the spooky theme really well. It's a theme that everybody knows. It's universally loved. My hunch is it's Scooby-Doo. And I could be wrong. I could be 180 off base. You are off. But I think it's Scooby-Doo. It's Total Nuclear Annihilation 2. Nope. If it's Scooby-Doo, there's only one way they can screw it up. And that's when they put that little asshole Scrappy-Doo in it. If it's Scooby-Doo, it has to have Scrappy in it. No. No. He's the finest character ever. Even Scrappy knows it sucks. That's true. You know what? As long as it's got, you know, Daphne being the perky whatever she is, and Velma being whatever she is, and Scooby, and... I really don't think it's Scooby-Doo. I think it is. I know. I'm way off base. What do you think it is? Oh, I don't know. It's going to have ramps. It's going to be awesome. It's Denise-y. And it's spooky. It's going to kick ass. And it's going to have screaming kick-ass artwork.
    63:15
    Mike, do you think that they're going to sit down with a little company? I mean, this is Hanna-Barbera, right? And they're going to kick it with a little company like Spooky? Why? Is Hanna-Barbera still relevant? Yeah.
    63:30
    Not really. Have you heard of the Cartoon Network? That's the company that owns Hanna-Barbera. Like, they're big. They deal with huge things. But they are owned by... No, no, no. They own. They own the company. They own all the assets. Yeah, all of it, you know. Like, you know, if you want Scooby-Doo, you know... William Hamm and Joseph Barbera have been dead for years. It gets licensed by, you know, major companies. Scooby-Doos are... Unlike Jetsons, which it pains me to say because Jetsons is cool. Scooby-Doo is still a relevant property. I have not claimed... They're still making Scooby-Doo movies and stuff. They are. To this day. Yeah, they are. So it doesn't strike me as that's something that's going to get dropped on Scooby-Doo. Hey, if it does, what a perfect tie-buck. What a perfect theme, right? But, you know, I don't think so. I know. But it's an opportunity. Something touched it in me that said, I think these guys are going to do Scooby-Doo. Because Charlie talked about it. Oh, that was me. A couple of us. Yep. All right. Anyway, um, salty tonight. Uh, where was I? Oh, anyway. Did you touch? Oh, the inside of her. The inside. Did you have a camera?
    64:48
    Mommy had a camera. She swallowed a camera today, so. That's fun to be had by nobody. Yeah, there we go. And, uh, where was I? Oh, so I think it's going to be Scooby-Doo, but I could be wrong. But whatever it's going to be, it's going to be coming out in the not too distant future. My best guesstimate, it will probably debut this spring, this March, at their home show at Midwest Kingdom Classic.
    65:15
    Where are we? We're at your house, Spencer. I know. Hey, guys, Scott Denise, next game. Any other thoughts on the next Scott Denise game? It's going to be a pinball machine. There you go. It'll have a plunger. And flippers. Yeah. There we go. There's going to be flippers. Wow, we're only just over an hour. We're getting close to the end of the show. The other thing is, I don't know if he would do that kind of life in this game, because isn't his big thing making the music?
    65:46
    It is, but I mean, well, it was for his first game. He has to remember, his first game, it wasn't like, I'm going to make a game because we're going to put it into production. I'm going to make this because I think it would be fun. And it was a homebrew.
    65:57
    Yeah. I mean, Cold War and Annihilation was just a homebrew game that everybody liked so much, they put it into production. Right, but, you know, now that he knows how, I mean, I know he said he's not going to code it.
    66:12
    Right. Like, you know, Spooky's coder is going to work on it, he's going to work hand in hand with him, so it's not kind of the whole, like, he's not the whole show, but. Right. I don't know, I'm interested, but I'm not like, you know, I think that he's a good young talent. And I'm interested to see what he does, but I'm not, like, losing sleep all the time.
    66:32
    But. Okay, but to all those creative geniuses out there who can actually put together a pinball machine, and there's plenty of you, you know what? With all the talk of monkeys, we need a monkey pinball machine. Just all monkeys. Just work things through it. And just grab. When you sit down to play, it reaches around and grabs your ass. There you go. Eat bananas. I like it and I'm going to flip this over to oh I'm going to side note real quick wait wait I'm going to side note like we haven't been off the rail like the whole goddamn thing bad segue here okay Dragon's Lair we talked about it a few months ago what a great theme it would be for a pinball machine somebody please do this I emailed Charlie and we got a reply back that's okay I still love you Charlie somebody's doing one and you gotta translate it's on it's a facebook page facebook group and it looks really cool and it's a homebrew and you gotta do hit the translate button because this is some other language and I'm not sure where it's from um one of those places where they speak foreign languages yeah it's from Europe somewhere so it's like it's maybe I don't there's some very very dedicated like it looks like a dragon's lair fan yeah across the pond. Well, there's like the guy, I always forget his name, it's Nuno or something. That guy was kind of like the big one for a long time. But, you know, yeah, I think Dragon's Lair would be a neat pin. I mean, it's going to be a cool one-off. You know, it'd be nice to see somebody make that. You know, I'm not holding my breath, but you know, I bet Joe would buy one. It's a great thing for pinball. That dude loves his laser games. So up next, I'm going to let you guys battle this around while I run off to the restroom real quick. Next third title.
    68:28
    It's supposed to be Turtles. Turtles, possibly. We should legitimately just sit here and tell it gets back. It's not fair. It's not fair to say a word. Just dead air silence. Say something. Anything. For the love of God. I've got to get rid of this beer. Chunkyard. No, there's also rumors of Karate Kid. So anyway, Discus, it's what's the designer? I'm sorry, here we go. Candy corn. It is neither candy nor corn. Disgust!
    68:58
    How do you eat candy corn? Open the bag. Put the corn in the trash. Jeffrey Epstein didn't show himself.
    69:09
    That's right. That's right. Humor. Okay. Well, now that Spencer's gone. What is actually the next... I don't pay attention to that garbage, so what is the next Iron Turtles. Iron Turtles 2. I like turtles. I don't. Alex likes pizza. That's the next title as well. Alex likes his car. We're making 500 games of that. If they actually made a new turtles game, that could be kind of cool. Who the fuck cares? I don't. Where are turtles popular? In the ocean.
    69:44
    I would be much more interested in sea turtles than ninja turtles. I'd be much more interested if they made a game based on Finding Nemo. Yes!
    69:54
    Yes! I know, and I kind of went around and around. She monkeys Timbal. Get the fuck out of here, Spencer. Checkmate! And especially because I still have, you know, technical littles. I have a 10-year-old and I have a 12-year-old. And their whole lives, this Ninja Turtles thing has been the overriding theme on every holiday, whether it's Christmas ornaments or Halloween costumes or party supplies, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. My kids know of them. They could care less. Okay, let's go ahead and take this back a notch. This isn't any sort of news. There's like four or five incarnations now of the Ninja Turtles, right? Nickelodeon's making a brand new version. There was like the late 90s, early 2000s cartoon version, which was supposed to be pretty hardcore. I didn't watch it. There's the new movies. There's the old movies. There's the CGI movie. And then there's like the 1987-88 animated cartoon version. This is apparently the 1987-88 animated cartoon version. Well, stop. And before that, you have the comic book. Well, that's to just talk about the animated films. Yeah, but if you want to go into comic books, there's been, like, a dozen different comic series. And you remember, the original Ninja Turtle comics were brutal. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That would be, if they made a game based on the original comics, that would be pretty damn cool. And the first issue, they took Shredder's head off. Yeah. Like, that was just it, right? Like, they spilled the shit out of him. But here's the thing, is, like, they did a cartoon a few years ago that was basically when, like, the old school Ninja Turtles came forward and met one of the newer Ninja Turtles, and then they eventually met the comic Ninja Turtles, and it was super amusing. Ninja Turtles is a great, timeless thing that I remember fondly from when I was a kid, and it was cool, you know? Everybody's all excited if they're supposed to be making the 1987 cartoon Ninja Turtles, which I think has got to be the lamest version. Like, you know, the Cowabunga, dude! you know but that's also the end the young end of the certain buyer market right now you all know exactly who are just like I will totally buy it and they make it you know the guys who are sick of the bands I'm sick of the movies do something that appeals to somebody that's lying but I'm excited about this cartoon from when I was 11 yeah I'm excited about pinballs that I played when I was 11 that's what I remember fondly that's what they remember fondly. So it makes sense to me market-wise why they would do it. There's a cool version of Ninja Turtles and that ain't it. I was too old for that kind of stuff at that point. But you know what? For the guys that remember it, they like it and that's what they remember fondly.
    72:51
    You know, I can go back right now and watch He-Man and the Master of the Universe and that is god-awful garbage. It is god-awful. It is parabat, isn't it? When you try to go back and watch that stuff, it's so virgin. But now as an adult, yeah, it's awful. but I can watch it reminisce and remember being a kid. So I understand why people would be clamoring for a daylight movie when they were a kid. It doesn't make them laugh. You know what was funny? Well, Thundercats, that was a cool question. You know what's funny, too? Battle of the Planets, man. Gotcha, man. Yeah, you go back and you watch certain things from when you were a kid, and, I mean, it really falls into two categories. Either, wow, this is great, it really stands the test of time, or, man, this is terrible. What was I thinking? Speed Racer. Oh, Speed Racer's great, though. Oh, God, when I was five, it was amazing. It's amazing now. But Speed Racer falls into that special category of so bad, it's good. Now, that's a theme I could really get behind.
    73:52
    Who's designing it? I forget. No, it's half from ours. Oh, Eddie. It better not be Brian Eddie. That's the real one. Brian Eddie needs to do something cool. You know, we haven't talked about Elvira yet. We haven't got to Elvira. We can get to that next. I didn't want to put it on there because we kind of talked about it last time. But now we've actually played it. I have not. You suck. Well, I didn't get invited. You should have come anyway. Nobody would have turned you away. Yeah, no one showed up. I know. I thought about it, and then I got home. I got home late. We could have snuck you into Brian's pocket. I don't think that's what it was. Mine did, but I just never. And you could address it as an Oompa Loompa, man, you would have been the fucking star of the show.
    74:36
    I could have. Oompa Loompa. Speaking of which, I like when you're in the bumpers on that game. That's all they say. Yeah. But yeah, Ninja Turtles, man. I don't know. I hope not. And then what was the other one? Somebody mentioned the other one. Karate Kid. I think that's an even worse idea. Oh, Hard Tap. And I love the Karate Kid. Hard Tap. But what are they going to... Hard Tap. How are you going to make that into a pinball machine? Maybe if they have, like, a cool mechanism that, like, a crane kicks the ball. Like in Street Fighter 2? No, but good.
    75:10
    Even like in Street Fighter 2? No, no, I mean, but good. But good, Spencer. Shoot the bracelet target. Is that what they say? Yeah, I'm correct. I never picked that up. I'm like, shoot the what target? I thought I was swearing at me. It's still maintained. We need a Blues Brothers pinball. So, man. Get out there and make it. Yeah, because I really hope that. All you have to do is design it and then get someone to make it for you.
    75:39
    Your brother knows how to make things. He's talented. He did a great job on a Mustang. Hey, John Poppins, who's been making games out of a Mustang. I don't think he did anything with a Mustang.
    75:50
    Jay Pops, you know, that dude's got a job. He's working for Deep Root. Deep Root, which seven years in and they still can't get a game out. It's not seven years. For them, it's for him. He's been working on Retro Atomic Zombie Wonderland for seven freaking years. Retro Atomic Wonder Girl. And it's still not going to be ready by the show. Magic Retro Wonderland.
    76:12
    Magic Money Pit with Tom Hanks. Work around the campfire and stuff's not going well for them. I believe it. Anyway. Well, let's talk about Elvira for those of you. You two have played it. Did you go, Alex? Oh, I played it. Fuck you, Alex. Alex goes everywhere. He went and took first place. Oh, is that the tournament difference? No, that was about a different league. But Alex did take second place at the Flipper Room's Halloween tournament. All right. Because he's a badass. Just somebody else was a little more of a badass. Way to go, Alex. This guy named Dan took first. Not me, Dan. A real Dan. A good Dan. A real Dan. A good Dan. Dan, their DMC. I believe his name is Dan Good. Yeah. Dan Good, yeah. He's Dan Good. Right on, man. Elvira is fun. You know, when I first saw it, I was like, this looks like it's going to play just like Medieval Madness. Everything's kind of in the same spot. Doesn't play like Medieval Madness at all. It's really fun. The themes integrated well. The clips are in there that are integrated well. The sounds are awesome. It shoots spectacular.
    77:21
    Like, they nailed it. I would love to get one someday. And I Dan knows, I don't like the O2O Vita games. I care less about them. This one is great. That game is really neat. I can't wait to feel or to see what happens if they get the code together. It did feel a little bit like it needed to be smoothed out. But even what's there already is really, really cool. And, yeah, it is just a blast to, it's big, long shots, which are fun to hit. It's a really, really cool game.
    78:03
    It doesn't feel like an Ordman game at all. It's because they changed the ramps. Well, they changed the ramps, but, I mean, the shots are the same.
    78:11
    But, yeah, it just, when you play it, I still maintain it feels much more like a Brian Eddy than an Ordman. But it definitely has the pedigree. Like, it's a great game. And the art is fantastic. I know Greg Ferris isn't, you know, cranking out games left and right anymore. He doesn't. Anymore. But he's definitely still got it. Yeah, it's a fun game.
    78:37
    That's all I can say. I don't have anything bad to say about it. It's fun. I'm jealous that I didn't know about the backdoor bonus until Dan told me because he figured it out. So Dan is the backdoor master in the room.
    78:50
    That's what your mom was telling me. Oh! No, um, yeah, it's actually really, really neat, uh, the way that they take a very familiar feeling layout and turn it into a really fun game. And that castle, or the castle, it's not a castle, it's a house. That house is heavy duty. Like, the windows all light up as you go through different modes, so it's sort of like the Addams Family play field, but standing up. and I never saw the turret turn. I guess it probably did, but I wasn't paying attention. Yeah, I didn't see it until I hit that part. But, like, it's got, like, the multicolored light, but they project on the house, so the house will change colors as you play through the different modes and stuff. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, and then the front ramp, and I guess it's translucent-ish. So what happens is there's a bright light underneath that shines up, and there's a skull that will appear on the actual ramp itself that looks like it's being projected from somewhere. Oh, wow. But it's actually light from underneath. And then when it lifts up, you can actually see that there's an insert under there. And then it's got the single drop off to the side, which I did see the prototype pictures was supposed to be three inline drops. Oh, cool. Which would have been pretty cool, but they didn't make it. And you got your lock there. And, man, that lock was great. It didn't reject shots or anything at all. And then the house has a diverter, So if you shoot up in the house, the ball can go to the left, go to the right. And then after all that, you still have that cool-ass crypt, which has a subway you can shoot into, or a target you can hit, or like a bash toy, like a molded skull that you can hit. And you can backhand it pretty easily, but the ball's almost always in danger coming out of that backhand. And then the crate. And then it's got the crate, too. The crate off the left ramp, you can light it, and that will open up, and the ball falls into it. But there's also a passage that you – I don't think you can hit it. If you can, it's really difficult. I saw balls falling in there left and right. They really should put a gate on that, a runway gate, to keep from getting that. Because, yeah, every time I was playing against Dietrich, and every time he locked one ball, he immediately got just like a sympathetic drop in of a second ball and started that jumping trunk. Jumping the trunk multiball. I'll take it back. The only, there's one downside of it, and it's probably just an adjustment, not to get done, was the kick out from the crypt either wouldn't work or it would fire weak and it almost always was. Right. Yeah. That thing was definitely not right. So it's probably just an adjustment, but the game itself is a definite, it's a hit. So Jeff. Oh, and it's got jumping gargoyles. Gargoyles, yeah. Yeah, those look cool. Which were super cool. I mean, great art, good sound, brand new clips and voice work from Elvira herself, who looks great for her age. Just fantastic. Super cool game. I want one. Let's go get it. Let's get it. Well, hopefully Jeff and Courtney will still be getting theirs. Yeah, well, he wants to pick one up. And I know Mike really liked it, and I would love to see a couple more of those in the group, but it is an expensive tamale because that sucker is $8,000 to start because it starts at the premium level and then goes into the limited edition and then the signature, which is gone. You can't get it. But it comes with a bit of sofa, so what a deal.
    82:36
    However, you know, and I'm not trying to, like, throw stones or anything at another game, but like Jurassic Park, right? Jurassic Park's out. We all like it. You play the pro of Jurassic Park and I'm just gonna be nice. It feels cheap. Feels good. But it feels cheap. Just like your mom. Oh!
    82:56
    By the way, she sent a call. Oh, that's nice. Tell her I'm on my way back. Yeah, exactly. Trying to use a debit card because you want to get some KFC. She told me she paid you. But no, like, you know, It's just there's not a lot of animation. You know the ramps. There's not a lot of animation. There's not drop targets There nothing like that I mean you know it a fine game It fun to play and then you play Elvira and you see where the money went Like there a lot going on And it would have been cool if it had the extra drop targets and I guess if the Nordman ramp was in there where it had a big old dip, that probably got tossed out, or maybe it didn't, you know, maybe it wasn't working right. Who knows? But, yeah, that game, you can feel where the money went. It feels like a premium product, you know, except for that janky kicker, which was probably just that specific machine. You know, so yeah, man, that game, I think, I would love to see Stern do a lot more of games like that. That felt to me like, you know, it's one of those games where, yeah, again, you list two or three features, and you're like, oh, but wait, there's another feature. Oh, and this happens. Oh, and did you know about that? It just doesn't feel like, well, there's a cool ramp.
    84:09
    Oh, there's one feature. There's Groot. You don't know. The features just kept on coming. It was really neat. Really good game.
    84:17
    Nice. All right. You should play it. I fully intend to eventually. Reach out. Go ahead. Alex, you got any more thoughts on Elvira? I like it.
    84:30
    It's a great game, and I look forward to playing it more. Nice. All right. Well, Rusty and I have a trip report. Hopefully somebody else does, too. Trip report. Our trip report is... Dude, I'm tripping. Sunday to the Back to the 80s Cafe and more.
    84:47
    Oh, I loved it. At 3084 Sunrise Boulevard, Suite 8 in Rancho Cordova, California, which is where we live, suburb of Sacramento, California. Please don't stop us. It's a retro 80s cafe.
    85:06
    And they play 80s videos there. The menu's all 80s. We didn't eat anything. We're going to go back and actually have a lunch. We just went because we'd already eaten breakfast and lunch, and we went and had milkshakes and played pinball. They have a game room. They've got half a dozen classic arcade games. They've got a Donkey Kong. They've got a Donkey Kong 3. They've got a Multi-K. They had a Mario Kart. Not Mario Kart. Super Mario Brothers. They had a Galaga. They had a Batman driving game. A couple other games. They have three pinball machines. All were relatively clean in a good working order.
    85:48
    Metallica, Ghostbusters, and Star Wars Pro. They were relatively clean. Everything played good. The sound was up loud where you could hear it. For instance, now straight from the retro. Yeah, and the Star Wars had stadium lighting.
    86:07
    Interesting. Yeah. That game was pretty bright to begin with. Yeah, this brightened it up a little more. It was pretty cool. So we went in there, played some pinball, had some fun. The replay scores on Metallica are incredibly low, so it's really easy to win a free game off that. It's also running super old code. It is. It is. Pinplay's good. We had fun. The milkshakes were a tremendous hit. What did Mickey have? Karma Chameleon. Karma Chameleon, which is Rainbow Sherbert.
    86:42
    What else is in that? Oh, I don't know. He came with a big tall pixie stick. A big tall giant pixie stick. Then he put in the milkshake. That doesn't surprise me. And funfetti on top. What's that now? That's now the Bananarama. Banana milkshake. It was good. I had the E.T., which was peanut butter chocolate milkshake with Reese's Pieces and whipped cream and all that good stuff. And some Budweiser. The Budweiser. Easy. They have a great menu. It's great. They have all kinds of artifacts from the 80s. There's, there's, they have like all kinds of old trading cards you can buy. They're still brand new. Garbage pail kits. Garbage pail kits. Dumpster fires. Dumpster fires, yes. No, and they have all kinds of stuff on the walls of posters and artwork. And the actual rotary dial phone. Rotary dial phone. They have an old like RCA VHS camcorder. They have a whole Peewee Herman selection. They have the bike. They have a He was a fashion figure. They have a chair, like a cherry chair. They have a seat. He was sitting in a movie theater. What the fuck is this?
    87:51
    And the staff there dresses up 80s characters. One of the guys was Ernest. One of the other guys, I swear to God, he looked like Christopher Glover, circa 80s. He does. The staff there is fantastic.
    88:15
    Go there, play some pinball, check it out, have some lunch, have a milkshake. It could be Crispin Glover, you never know. Could be. They've got a lot of work lately.
    88:26
    They serve for the ice cream. It's a neat little place. Give it a chance. Check it out if you're in the area.
    88:34
    I have a ton of shout-outs to do tonight, but does anybody else have a road trip report? I never go anywhere I have a crappy road trip report well give me a crappy road trip report Stryer Pizza in Rancho Cordova that's dumb Home of the Ring the Broken Ring you gotta you click them like literally every day you gotta have a better trip report okay if you guys have ever been down to I went down here about three weeks ago haven't been in a while a place called Holy Diver man ACDC, Metallica, and Iron Maiden at all for the premiums. And they got good pizza there too. Decent priced drinks and there's always good shows upstairs. I love those pizzas.
    89:24
    And tacos. Kendra, you're so quiet tonight because you've been up since 3am. 2.30. Alright. We're down to shout outs and thank yous folks.
    89:41
    I'd like to say thank you and a shout out to the Back to the 80s guys. They were very nice to us and put up with our looky loonies. We even poked our nose in the back to look at their Halloween stuff. But it was loads of fun and thank you guys.
    90:01
    I'd like to thank John Robison and Henry Nunjo for being lead hosts, the guest hosts. They're awesome, even though I missed Henry's, unfortunately. What's up with that, dude? I'll talk about it later. I'd also like to thank John for his awesome Halloween party. A good time was had by all. And for having a hell of a fine pinball collection. Halloween party meaning the league? No, no. Halloween party like when we went to the Halloween party. Oh, nice. Like a party held at Halloween. There you go. with pinball. Oh, yeah.
    90:38
    I just want to thank Joe for the help with getting me some much-needed chips. Joe, you the man! I had one take a nasty death due to corrosion, and Joe came through in the clutch and got me the chip that I needed. For Henry's Star Trek. Star Trek was finished, and then all of a sudden it had an issue where a row wouldn't boot. excuse me, not the row, the column wasn't activating, and I traced it back, and it had to be the chip, and it's like, oh, great, this thing started, it wasn't working out in the blue, like, it was working fine.
    91:17
    Got some handy carpool help from Dan, Joe had the chip, took out the old one, stocked it in the new, works fine, and it was a big help, so thank you, Joe. I'd like to throw a shout-out to Brian for doing a hell of a job on that game. We played it late. That thing is crazy. It came out very nice. I'm happy with it. It played really good. Especially if you remember playing it before. When it played like shit. Yeah, it was pretty, it needed some help. It was really dirty, but it came out great. It plays nice. I convinced Henry to start doing, put in some Titans in there instead of normal rubber. And it came out really nice. He just shot that as a whirlwind. well it does need that but i'm sure you saw the i don't know if you saw the before and after but george did an amazing work on the corner george did an incredible job and a real estate agent so if you need to buy a house we got a hookup for you you did a great job getting that corner fixed yeah and you know i helped him out with the paint match and you can't even tell no um it's beautiful i was surprised myself considering when that happened I misread George's text he said I have everything except for the paints I was assuming he was going to bring the paint not saying I was supposed to bring the paint so we got there and I had to make do with what he had and I nailed it by eye no it was beautiful it came out great I wanted to just again as always say thank you to Adam Pressler, Dan, and Henry for hosting Lodi League thank you Without you guys, we wouldn't have the league. That's true.
    93:00
    Thank you for opening your homes to us. Thank you for letting us feed your dog, Adam. Yep. He'll be 15 pounds every time we come by. He'll be 15 pounds. He gets ready by the next day. He picks it back up every two weeks. I got a long list.
    93:21
    That's all right. We have time. We're only with an hour and 30 minutes and change. shout out to Vino got to see Vino from Pinside at Pinagogo and he complimented us on our fine podcast so shout out to Vino and his crew I want to say Vino you don't really listen because this podcast is a fire what kind of fire is it Alex? a dumpster fire this podcast is damn clean wholesome all American good old fun Except for all the fire and the dumpsters.
    93:58
    So shout out to Vino, man. It was good to see you. I've got to go through my list. You should actually listen to the show, man. Don't just tell Spencer what he wants to hear. He gets a big hand. I told him I'd give him a shout out, and I did. I kept my word. Shout out to Practical Steve. I'm sorry I missed you. Fuck Practical Steve. I mean, shout out to Practical Steve. Steve, you're the man. Shout out to Mo. just dude. Shout out to Seth, our old co-host and engineer. He's just real busy with... Oh wait, Seth, sorry. Seth's a righteous man. Nope, Seth is a terrible, terrible human being. Shout out to Cheddar. Shout out to everybody at the Capital Quarter of Pinball League. Hope you're feeling better, Cheddar, and you're not too sore. Better, Cheddar.
    94:46
    Get better, Cheddar. Shout out to Shovelhead. Got to see him at the show at Pinagogo. you know, a couple years back when they had the Santa Rosa fire, he was involved in that because he lived up in that area. I thought you were going to say you did it.
    95:01
    Did you see Hawk Moon at the show? I didn't. I looked for him. Shout out to Hawk Moon. What a man.
    95:08
    Yeah, so, and shout out to everybody who's going through fires right now. And power outages. We have SMUD, so. Oh, God. Stay tough and stay strong. You can get through this. if you need any help.
    95:25
    Alright, if you need anything, reach out to us. You know, you can always reach out to us via email thespinnerslit at gmail.com Do you have a Facebook? Yeah, we do. We have a Facebook page, so you can reach out to us. The Spinner's Lit Pinball Podcast on Facebook. Just type in The Spinner's Lit. I don't know, backslash something. There you go. shout out to Jeff and Courtney Claybaugh and congratulations on your new Jurassic Park game, can't wait to see you guys again shout out to Mark Scott at Reno Pinball League, press start is, they're going to be having a tournament there on the 16th they're also going to be expanding they're going to be expanding, very nice 16th of May, 16th of May Jesus, 16th of November this month in Reno, Nevada at Press Start. They're going to have a progressive strike format tournament. The tournament games will be on free play and you can practice before the tournament. Doors open at noon. Play starts at 1. Shout out to Jim Martin for doing this. And of course always Michael Huntsman who's just an absolute amazing human and a great ambassador for pinball. But it's a $10 entry fee. Wait, I thought you said Michael Huntsman. Yes, I did. It's cash only, so bring $10 cash with you. And playing drinking money. Yeah, playing drinking money. You can make checks payable to Dan. As always. And that's 1413 South Virginia Street in Reno, Nevada. Play starts at 1. Doors open at noon.
    97:14
    This is a 21 and over event only. none of y'all kids yeah so Alex, sorry you can't play you know about the Paradise Fire our daughter Anna lost her home, she's doing well her and my son-in-law have a new home in Oroville, my boss who lost his home and our original business location and a lot of equipment and supplies and records and everything else he lost his Terminator 2 pinball and his Pinbot, his first game, which I sold him in the fire. And thanks to Adam Kressler, gave us a good deal on a really nice Terminator 2, which I delivered to him a week after he had a stroke.
    98:01
    But he's doing great, and he's enjoying his new Terminator 2 pinball at his new house in Chico. So, yeah, that was just kind of a nice story. So, Mickey and I delivered the game and went and had dinner with him and had a good time. So, I think that's about all the time we have. I mean, we have plenty more time if anybody else has anything to add. I got the time if you got the money, honey. If not, that's the episode. Hey, honey. Hey, I got your money. Tell the world.
    98:31
    Not really any shows coming up. She'll probably, what, February, March? There's lots of tournaments and stuff going on, but, yeah, it feels like the pinball fury of October has subsided somewhat. Well, we got the holidays coming up. Hope everybody had a nice Halloween.
    98:49
    Wish everybody a happy early Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's, St. Patrick's Day, Easter. All the stuff that Walmart's selling, happy whatever. Turkey Day. Let's not forget about Turkey Day. Turkey Day is next. Thanksgiving is the final. Also, second week of the month, second Saturday, coin-op tournament, downtown Sacramento.
    99:12
    It's free to enter. all it cost you is the price to play the game. Gotta drop them quarters. Gotta drop them quarters.
    99:22
    If you're in NorCal, you definitely do not want to miss that. I need to make that too. You know, if he listens, you know, him and his wife, his wife is going through some stuff right now. She's a super nice lady, so hopefully everything's going to be okay. I know she's in the hospital, though. Oh, wow. Top one. Yeah. How many games do you fit in a room?
    99:47
    I'm sure they figured out a way. You know, they got the little foot-tall Pac-Man, so they can always place a Pac-Man.
    99:53
    And if you coin up, coin up, I already said coin up, the Flipper Room has several tournaments. Just look at their Facebook page. Flipper Room, yeah, they are going crazy. They're flipping out. No, no, different.
    100:07
    Flipping out, that's the distributor. From the mind of Zach Minney. Zach many righteous we didn't talk about pinball cribs maybe we should talk about that next time we should talk about pinball cribs before we end the show I like it the first episode was a little tough because it was a little too so who watched pinball cribs I watched it I know Brian watched it you need to watch pinball cribs did you watch pinball cribs it's not is it about pinball with cribs so do you remember the show cribs that was on MTV I mean, not everybody's house. Yeah, I don't care what's in your refrigerator. Show me your pinball. Anyways, so the first episode, they really aimed the format of the original. Like, the guy, you know, showed off his cars. They talked about, like, his kitchen and stuff like that. He had this cool poker table that went up. There was, like, a bag of Cheez-Its in it. And I kind of caught on that it was, you know, he was going for satire. It was good. Yeah. In general, pinball fans did not catch on to that. They just thought that the guy was trying to show off. I thought a poker table was cool, though.
    101:17
    But the joke was that it went all the way up and there was cheeses. I know. But, like, nobody got it. I got it. And it was funny. And I said it was a little tone deaf because, you know, a lot of people in pinball are balling hard. But there's some people who aren't. And, you know, some people felt like it was a little bit of an ostentatious display. But it was funny. There's a lot of people on pinball. It was funny. A lot of douchebags. And it was, like, amazingly. well put together. Which is sad because Robin is such a righteous dude. I had the opportunity to meet him a couple years ago, put them all together. He would fit it right away. He just fit in right with the group. Like he was just one of us. That's easy for me. They did a second episode. It was one of the hosts of a somewhat better podcast than the one that we're on.
    102:10
    which one who was it it was Gary straight down the middle I think I don't remember no it wasn't Gary Gary Gary Gary Gary Gary and it was a much it was a better show like it was a little bit more focused on what we wanted to see and then they did like a third pickup episode from Expo which I haven't watched yet which is good Zach buddy I know you took a lot of heat for this one I'm making them they're amusing you know, learn what you learned and, you know, because the idea is sound and, you know, it's super cool to see some of these guys' stuff. Like, even in the first episode, that dude had one of those big ball bowlers with the chains that the kids came from. Those are super valuable. Those are hard to find.
    103:00
    Like, such cool stuff. It's like a $20,000 game. Oh yeah, well, you know, I'm sure. Yeah, those are hard to find and they're not cheap. Yeah, and that's the kind of stuff that, like, we want to see. You know, I know that it's a business thing for you. You got to show new – Yeah, they have those at the Bolling now, I know. Yeah, you got to show new games. But seriously, man, keep them coming. I took the boys bowling a couple weeks ago. Sorry to change the topic. I like the show. No, no, no, it's cool, man.
    103:25
    Let's have a topic, but then talk about something else. That seems to be how we do it on this show. I took the boys bowling a couple weeks ago. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. You guys went bowling? Let's talk about tacos. Okay. Tacos are amazing. They're spicy and meaty and they're funny. No, but they do bowling. Like the ball got stuck, so I'd call the helper over. And you don't actually knock over the bowling pins.
    103:50
    They're actually on chains or cables and go up. Hand to God. It's like a big ball bowler. This is over at Country Club Lions. Okay, I've got to go see this. You've got to go see this. It's all new. I've been in the bowling industry for 16 years, and I've got to go see this. I'm telling you. You know what, man? There are trendsetters and there are pinsetters. I always knew you were a pinsetter.
    104:12
    I'm telling you. Seth and Mickey never bowled enough and was doing the Saturday League for a while. As long as I'm best, I said only pinsetters. I swear to God, that's what it is. It's funny. I like the idea of it. I want to do the ODB version where they go to... That was the best episode of the show. And the guy's like, yeah, this is my refrigerator. It's like a bottle of mustard and maybe just ice in the freezer. And this is my game collection. And he's like, drive time. It's in four pieces. He had like a mattress on the floor and like a Super Nintendo. I was like, this is the best episode of this show. Well, and he says that, you know, if he keeps going, they are going to go and visit all kinds of collectors. You know, so who knows? but I know that the new collectors are the name of the game, right? Because he sells the games. Right. It's a commercial for him. But, I mean, yeah, you know, don't ignore the fact that, like, you know, there's all kinds in pinball. You know, if some dude has an awesome collection of all EMs, hey, man, someone's going to want to see that. Right. You know. But, of course, maybe we're not the people who buy games from him. Or like Moe who has an 80s game, you know, from like, well, like, 78 to 90, you know. Go to my house, like, these are all my games. None of them work. my workbench is over there underneath all that crap don't mind the dog barking at you look at my sweet ass bowler I use it for storage that's a Mustang bumper on top of that that's the only driveway that doesn't rub oh dude you know what I can actually bring like three more Mustang bumpers over and we can be like here's our Mustang bumper collection it's incredible all eras but yeah pinball cribs it's a good shelf it's fun I post it on pin side Zach great job love to keep up it's on YouTube people who were shitting on it lighten up come on it was amusing and you gotta look for the humor I did think the whole from the mind of Zach Minney thing was a little pretentious I'm glad you took that off because it makes you seem like a little bit less of a douche I love you brother if you listen to this no he really does like I said I liked the show I thought it was cool and I hope that he makes some more. It was good to see that he made that little impromptu episode 3. And I hope that we continue to see more. Hey, it's just like this show, man. Pinball needs, I mean, and this isn't to dig on us or anything, pinball needs something besides fucking podcasts, because there's too many pinball podcasts.
    106:42
    Dude, I listened to like 10 this last week. Yeah. Oh, you know what? I'm not even trying to shit on what we do. I was talking to Brian the other day, and you know, to an extent, there's some pinball fatigue going on. There's just too much. And you know, I'm here, and I'm going to continue to come. Like, I dial back my podcast listening hugely. I was in the truck a lot this week, and then like Monday, I'll have a couple new podcasts to listen to, and I have to drive up to Clear Lake. But I think that we should podcast on the fact that there's too many pinball podcasts, one of these days. Maybe not tonight. Because I could go for a while. I'll keep doing this, or we'll keep doing this, until somebody tells us to stop. Then I'll keep doing and just defied him. Some guy from the neighborhood comes over. What the fuck are you guys doing? Pinball. We're talking about pinball, sir. Stop it! Oh, one more shout out. I can't remember the name of the pizza place. I suck. It's on the corner. I suck pizza. I know. It's on the corner of 13th and O Street.
    107:48
    Right around the corner from the education building. they have a Hawaiian pizza they make with Spam and Pineapple Spam? Ew I like Spam is very very popular in Hawaii yes it is no I know I'm just kidding but do you know why? because they're G.I.s yeah because when they went over there there's not a lot of livestock and so Spam was where they got meat and they turned it into an entire culinary culture it's been years since I've been to a live station there you can get Spam and eggs at McDonald's Spam is like it's a thing pinball theme Spam that's Scott Denise's next theme I'm setting my watch and warrant on it, put it on pin side right now it's Spam by Hormel by Pam Spam in the place where you live.
    108:53
    And I don't like spam. Think about and wonder what's inside it now. I love spam. Now we're just kind of killing time until Brian's done. Let's finish while Brian's out of the room just to be dicks. And Brian says bye. Bye, Brian. See, now we're at a normal level. We're almost at two hours. Don't want to stretch. We're just killing time. We're killing time. We're entertaining people. We don't have to do that. Did I give Mark Scott the shout-out? I did. Mark Scott, who is the writer, composer, and performed our theme song, which you can't hear anymore because we're either laughing or the dog's barking or Dan's going to talk over Dan. I didn't do that. I don't know where that rumor comes from. I did step on you too bad tonight. Yes, you did. Yes, you did, Spencer. Yes, you did. Dan, if anybody wants to get a point across, we've got to step on you. Exactly. It's like, let's get Dan talking. No, fuck that guy. Shut him up. Interrupt him. Knock out. Ooh, interrupting cat. Brian, what are you doing? There's one motherfucker on this show who wants to talk about pinball, and the rest of you all just want to talk about. Can we talk? No, we can't. What are we talking about now? We're talking about how we're waiting for you so we can get you to come on the show. Get a close-up of that, man. That's what I said. I said fuck Brian. I said too.
    110:20
    All right. Brian's back. Alex is still awake. Get these back. Barely. Get these back. Brian's back. All right. Tonight's show, like every episode, has been produced and engineered by Bud the Dog.
    110:34
    Producer Bud in the house. This has been episode 26 of the Spirits of the Pimbal Podcast. Stay with me, boys and girls. Play Pimbal. Keep America Strong!
    110:48
    It be true!