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JJP's Sonic receives praise for design and sells strong; hosts discuss timelines and community dynamics.
Sonic the Hedgehog by Jersey Jack Pinball features a four-flipper layout by Steve Ritchie, a departure from typical three-flipper designs
high confidence · Host states: 'I like that Steve Ritchie actually did a four-flipper layout, not a three-flipper layout.'
Jersey Jack Pinball has improved at world-building and thematic integration comparable to or exceeding Barrels of Fun
medium confidence · Host comments: 'J.J.P., like, I don't know if they just got better... they've always tried to do it, but, like, Barrels was sort of seen as the leader. And now I'm kind of feeling like, J.J.P.'s really...'
Bill Grupp coded Sonic the Hedgehog, same designer as Elton John, with balanced rule depth between Elton John and Harry Potter
high confidence · Host states: 'Bill Grupp doing the code on this is the same person that did the Elton John that people just love... This is just a progression upon that so it's deeper than Elton John but it's not so depth-wise and complicated...'
Sonic initially sold more arcade editions than special editions in the first week, which surprised the hosts
high confidence · Zach Sharpe (Flip N Out distributor): 'We had more arcades initially in the first week, more arcades sold than SE. I would have never guessed that... SE passed over Arcade and I haven't sold as many Arcades...'
Jersey Jack Pinball has not communicated production timelines to dealers
high confidence · Zach Sharpe states: 'Unfortunately, Jersey Jack has not communicated to dealers any form of timeline. I just don't know. I have zero clue. Could be a week, could be nine months.'
Sonic's upper playfield uses transparent design to avoid obstructing lower playfield view, unlike Game of Game of Thrones (Premium)
high confidence · Host explains: 'And so smart to do the transparent play field up there so that you could still enjoy making the shots down below... this is where not covering everything up is often the right answer...'
Sales have been 'phenomenal' and Jersey Jack could do yearly Sonic runs for 3-4 years if they retain the license
“I like that Steve Ritchie actually did a four-flipper layout, not a three-flipper layout.”
Dennis Dice @ ~5:30 — Highlights a design innovation in Sonic that differentiates it from Ritchie's typical approach and demonstrates JJP's willingness to experiment with unconventional layouts.
“This will be bolted because of the theming and because of the looks and the play of it.”
Flip N Out Pinball @ ~45:00 — Industry shorthand for a machine that will remain in a collector's personal collection long-term due to strong thematic and gameplay appeal; indicates Sonic's staying power as a collectible.
“We had more arcades initially in the first week, more arcades sold than SE. I would have never guessed that.”
Zach Sharpe @ ~34:00 — Reveals surprising market dynamics: arcade versions outperformed special editions initially, contradicting expectations based on Harry Potter's arcade performance.
“Unfortunately, Jersey Jack has not communicated to dealers any form of timeline. I just don't know. I have zero clue.”
Zach Sharpe @ ~38:00 — Underscores a persistent operational pain point for the pinball distribution network and critical gap in manufacturer-dealer communication.
“If they can keep the licenses of these things, they could probably do yearly runs of these for three or four years because people love these damn things.”
Zach Sharpe @ ~42:00 — Suggests long-term franchise potential for licensed JJP games if production capacity and licensing allow, indicating strong market confidence in Sonic's longevity.
“The lighting is always good, Zach. But damn, even in the Emeralds, though, they have these light boards that like now, each of the modes, it can go in like a circle with the lighting to tell you how much of the mode has been completed.”
Dennis Dice @ ~30:00 — Highlights innovative use of LED/lighting technology as a visual rule indicator and thematic reinforcement, exemplifying Sonic's design attention to detail.
“I think there's such a thing as too much depth. I feel you can make a game too deep for its own good.”
gameplay_signal: Steve Ritchie's four-flipper layout on Sonic represents a departure from his standard three-flipper design; hosts praise 'smoothness' of shot flow and magnet-assisted loop mechanics.
high · Host states: 'I like that Steve Ritchie actually did a four-flipper layout, not a three-flipper layout... Rich is just so good at the smoothness of the shots of these games... it's smooth, it's fast and it's magnet-assisted so it goes even smoother and faster.'
design_innovation: Pop-up post creates captive ball mechanic on upper playfield for multiplier chaining; hosts identify as evolutionary improvement on earlier designs.
high · Host explains: 'the left little post that pops up that creates a captive ball... that captive ball then goes back and hits the target behind it, 2X, 3X, 5X... Ritchie and Scott acknowledged the idea of doing three came from Ritchie doing the one for the vengeance shot on Star Trek.'
design_innovation: Transparent upper playfield design allows visibility and enjoyment of lower playfield shots simultaneously; contrasts with Game of Thrones Premium's obstructive upper playfield.
high · Host states: 'so smart to do the transparent play field up there so that you could still enjoy making the shots down below... this is where not covering everything up is often the right answer because you are able to enjoy doing the shots down below, but you can still have a very sizable upper playfield.'
gameplay_signal: Sonic achieves balanced rule complexity between Elton John (simpler) and Harry Potter (too complex); Bill Grupp coded both as progression.
high · Host: 'This is just a progression upon that so it's deeper than Elton John but it's not so depth-wise and complicated... It's kind of go your own strategy, do your own tasks but once you get enough of those you can start the four mini wizard modes.'
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medium confidence · Zach Sharpe states: 'Sales have been phenomenal. This thing is going to be a great seller. Jersey Jack is starting to build this. If they can keep the licenses of these things, they could probably do yearly runs of these for three or four years...'
Locations (commercial operators) bought Sonic in larger quantities than expected, including dedicated arcade and special edition versions
high confidence · Zach Sharpe: 'We had a heavy amount of those. And maybe we're just building up our location clientele, but yeah, a lot of people, a lot of locations bought them as well.'
The captive ball mechanic using a pop-up post on the upper playfield is an innovation that traces its lineage back to Steve Ritchie vengeance shot design on Star Trek
medium confidence · Host explains: 'Ritchie and Scott acknowledged the idea of doing three came from Ritchie doing the one for the vengeance shot on Star Trek...'
Some players feel Sonic would have sold better with purely retro artwork instead of modern 3D Sonic Generations aesthetic
medium confidence · Host states: 'I think it would have sold better had they been able to retro... I would have liked to have seen the CE cabinet art reflect more.'
Dennis Dice @ ~24:00 — Articulates a design philosophy debate in modern pinball: accessibility vs. depth; directly addresses criticism of Harry Potter's complexity, suggesting Sonic achieves better balance.
“Sonic Mania. It was more of a crowdsource kind of thing, a fan-made kind of thing. It's great.”
Dennis Dice @ ~16:00 — Demonstrates the speaker's approach to understanding a licensed IP by consuming the source material; indicates creator methodology for thematic authenticity.
“This is not – this is just for fun. Yeah, I got – the last week is – we got a lot of shit for the whole multimorphic thing.”
Zach Sharpe @ ~58:00 — Acknowledges controversy around Flip N Out's new distribution partnership with Multimorphic and social media backlash; reveals tension between distributor content creation and community perception.
“The system, the way it is, is a big hurdle that turns off a lot of pure pinball people.”
Dennis Dice @ ~65:00 — References the Multimorphic P3 platform as a barrier to adoption for traditional pinball purists, limiting potential audience and resale market for modular games.
market_signal: Sonic showed unexpected arcade edition strength in first week (outselling special editions), differing from Harry Potter's arcade underperformance; pattern reversed after initial period.
high · Zach Sharpe: 'We had more arcades initially in the first week, more arcades sold than SE... But then again, for whatever reason, after a couple weeks of it being out, then all of a sudden SEs took off and I haven't sold as many Arcades.'
market_signal: Commercial operators/venues purchased Sonic at higher-than-expected rates across all tiers (arcade, special, collector editions); indicates strong venue appeal.
high · Zach Sharpe: 'We had a heavy amount of those. And maybe we're just building up our location clientele, but yeah, a lot of people, a lot of locations bought them as well. So sales have been phenomenal.'
product_strategy: Sonic available in multiple tiers with distinct visual/packaging differences (Arcade, SE, CE); CE features exclusive topper; pricing strategy creates FOMO.
high · Zach Sharpe: 'The CE topper is so damn cool... I still don't know SE or CE for me. Probably CE.'
business_signal: Jersey Jack maintains no communication with dealers regarding production or shipping timelines; distributor receives daily inquiries with no concrete information to provide.
high · Zach Sharpe: 'Unfortunately, Jersey Jack has not communicated to dealers any form of timeline. I just don't know. I have zero clue. Could be a week, could be nine months... I'll still get five emails a day.'
business_signal: Jersey Jack prioritized location/commercial operator orders before residential customer orders; now bleeding into customer sales for arcade and SE, with CEs reserved for residential.
high · Zach Sharpe: 'they're shipping them fast now though... they've been focused on locations. I will say that we're now out of our location priorities. So we have been shipping games to customers... and next CEs are going to be for customers, too.'
licensing_signal: Sega mandated use of modern 3D Sonic Generations aesthetic over retro 2D artwork; hosts note this likely reduced sales appeal to retro-focused collectors.
medium · Host: 'Unfortunate, but understandable that they ended up going with... the 3D... I get that this was Sega saying you need to use this more modern property... I think it would have sold better had they been able to retro.'
collector_signal: Hosts indicate Sonic will be a 'bolt' (long-term keeper) due to strong theming, gameplay, and personal resonance; likely to remain in collections despite future releases.
medium · Zach Sharpe: 'This will be bolted because of the theming and because of the looks and the play of it... This is one of those... This will stay in my collection.'
sentiment_shift: Community sentiment around Sonic is strongly positive; hosts note mixed opinions exist but sustained sales suggest healthy overall reception.
medium · Host: 'I'm trying to take the temperature of the hobby. There is some mixed opinions on this game already, though. People generally are really liking it... Joel is loving this game.'