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Episode 154 - Discussion with Vic Camp 8-7-15

For Amusement Only EM and Bingo Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 12m·analyzed·Aug 12, 2015
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TL;DR

Vic Camp and Nick discuss classic bingo pinball mechanics and game acquisitions

Summary

Vic Camp and Nick discuss an extended visit to Vic's game room in New Jersey, focusing on acquisitions and gameplay of classic bingo pinball machines. The episode centers on deep technical discussion of various bingo games—particularly Coney Island (the second bingo ever made), Dixieland, Light Alliance, New Continental Gold, and Gaytime—with emphasis on mechanics, difficulty, skill transfer, and the evolution of bingo pinball features from the 1950s onward.

Key Claims

  • Coney Island is the second bingo game ever produced by Bally, made in 1951, following Bright Lights

    high confidence · Vic Camp directly states this as historical fact about Bally's manufacturing run

  • Bally produced 10,000 Continental solid state bingo games and sold the entire manufacturing lot to GAA (General Amusement) in Belgium rather than releasing them in America

    high confidence · Vic Camp provides specific historical detail about Bally's 1980 exit and the Continental line

  • Bally stopped making six-card bingo games in 1961 and did not make another until 1971

    high confidence · Vic Camp discusses the timeline of six-card game production

  • Jeffrey Lawton authored 'The Bingo Valley Pinball Book' and services bingo machines

    high confidence · Vic Camp references Lawton multiple times as a bingo expert and technician

  • The New Continental Gold can be configured to payout up to 28,000 quarters maximum and features adjustable coin multipliers up to 5x and game multipliers

    high confidence · Nick describes detailed gameplay mechanics and Vic confirms configuration settings

  • GAA in Belgium is still producing bingo games as of 2015, including laser-lit versions with LED screens and remote phone control capability

    medium confidence · Vic mentions hearing about 2015 GAA games but acknowledges limited firsthand knowledge

  • Nick acquired a Gaytime bingo machine from Vic's collection and plans to acquire additional games including Nightclub and Dixieland

    high confidence · Vic and Nick directly discuss the transactions and game acquisitions throughout the episode

  • Light Alliance (1961 six-card bingo) was engineered with player-friendly 4th, 5th, and 6th card lighting to generate additional coin drops from players

    high confidence · Vic provides detailed analysis of factory design philosophy

Notable Quotes

  • “it was in such great condition so uh... Nick uh... had decided to make the trips and a half hours one way to come and pick up the Gaytime because I recently had purchased another Bally Gaytime bingo from a friend that was here in Sparta, New Jersey”

    Vic Camp @ early episode — Establishes the context for the visit and multiple Gaytime acquisitions

  • “So that's pretty unique and different where a player can just decide I just want to play for five in a line. I don't want to put any coins in.”

    Nick @ mid-episode — Describes the alternative game mode on New Continental Gold

  • “I think that from the factory the The game was made by engineers in favor of the player getting the 4th, 5th and 6th cards. The vendors looked at the game as, you know, wow, they're not going to get all 6 cards for 6 times.”

    Vic Camp @ later episode — Reveals the design intent behind Light Alliance's difficulty and coin generation

  • “the biggest tip I can give is when you're playing bingos you really have to learn to observe the ball and know when to shake and when not to shake”

    Vic Camp @ late episode — Core gameplay philosophy for bingo pinball mastery

  • “You can start off easily with one of the earlier games like Coney Island, the second game ever made, three card game, easy to understand, easy to play”

    Vic Camp @ closing discussion — Positions Coney Island as entry-level bingo game for learning

Entities

Vic CamppersonNickpersonJeffrey LawtonpersonDennispersonJoepersonCharliepersonJackpersonGaytimegameNightclubgame

Signals

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    restoration_signal: Nick acquiring a Circus playfield for Dixieland restoration; Vic sourcing playfield for Nightclub from Dennis in St. Louis; emphasis on finding quality components

    high · Discussion of Dixieland playfield acquisition and integration with existing Nightclub cabinet; references to Dennis providing playfield to make 'something special'

  • ?

    collector_signal: Vic and Nick actively acquiring multiple bingo machines during single visit; leveraging personal networks and regional dealers; package deals becoming common practice

    high · Discussion of three-game package deal from Sparta; Charlie selling to Vic; Jeff Lawton facilitating sales; Vic negotiating with Ohio collector

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Clear analysis of how Light Alliance (1961) was engineered to be deliberately difficult to force additional coin drops, with vendors waxing playfields and disabling features

    high · Vic's detailed explanation: 'vendors knew and players knew that this game was really a very tough game to beat' and 'vendors had them waxed up, slippery, on an angle, the selector center spot number disabled'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Recognition that bingo games should be positioned on difficulty curve from entry-level (Coney Island) through intermediate (Light Alliance, Dixieland) to expert (Silver Sails, New Continental Gold)

    high · Vic recommends starting with Coney Island and Light Alliance before graduating to Silver Sails and top-tier games; frames learning curve explicitly

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    historical_signal: Specific documentation of Bally bingo production: six-card games 1951-1961, gap until 1971, then expansion of multi-card format with increasing complexity

Transcript

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The What's that sound? It's for amusement only, the EM and Bingo Pinball Podcast. Well, I'm here in the great state of New Jersey. For the first time in my life, I came to visit Vic Camp and pick up his beautiful Gaytime and the nightclub that we've been talking about. and uh... Vic, it's been really nice to meet you in person. Oh, it's been swell. I love it. I guess we've been here since around 7 a.m. It's now near 5 p.m. and uh... I guess we're both a little bit tired but we're willing to uh... stretch it some more and uh... it was a great day weather-wise, it was perfect and uh... we got a great deal accomplished uh... Nick came and picked up the gay time that I purchased from a collector out in Poconos in Pennsylvania which he had for a long period of time I was after that game for a while and uh... got a call from him years ago and grabbed it like the next day because it was in such great condition so uh... Nick uh... had decided to make the trips and a half hours one way to come and pick up the gay time because I recently had purchased another ballet gay time bingo from a friend that was here in Sparta, New Jersey. This particular game came from Ohio. A gentleman in his late 80s had purchased this particular gay time years and years and the good thing about this game was that Jeffrey Lawton, the guy who wrote the Bingo Valley Pinball book had serviced this game and it was his customer for many, many years. And my friend from Sparta was here at my home and saw my gate time and wanted to buy one so we found this game in Ohio and I talked to Jeffrey and he said, Vic, the game is in astronomical condition. And I said, but Jeffrey, I think I have like the best game time on the plan. And he says, well, let me send you some pictures. So he sent some pictures for my friend Charlie from Sparta. And I was amazed to see the condition of this game time that was in Ohio. To make a long story short, because we want to talk about some other things here today, and the great day that we had, Charlie from Sparta decided to purchase that game in Ohio and Jeffrey Lawton was kind enough to pick it up at his customer's house and deliver it to Charlie in his home in Sparta. So we had a great day there in Sparta getting that gay time from Jeffrey. It was just so much fun and now that Charlie has moved out of New Jersey and is going to be living in Florida. He asked me if I wanted to buy that Gaytime. So that's how this whole Gaytime deal came about. I asked Nick if he was interested. He knew the pictures of the game and he said, sure, I'd love to have it. So he came here and this morning we had a little breakfast which means that won't start until the end, while making Dosipleinstointext like Splqshxn pixj turqqklhld legislatorsjsnprzknrsjnsawcxgec Free He can like us as key day in their dream adventure The Overlooking it's beautiful and
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high · Vic states: 'in nineteen sixty one they stopped making six card games, they didn't make another six card game until nineteen seventy one'

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    business_signal: Bally's sale of Continental line to GAA (Belgium) rather than American production; GAA continuing innovation in 2015 with advanced tech (laser lighting, LED screens, phone control)

    high · Vic: 'Bally went out of business in 1980 and made a run of 10,000 Continental solid state bingo games...they actually sold the entire manufacturing lot to GAA' and discussion of 2015 GAA games with 'laser lighting' and 'phone control'

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    technology_signal: Evolution from purely mechanical bingo (1951) through computerized decision points (1980s-1990s New Continental) to remote-controllable systems (2015 GAA), with increasing complexity and operator flexibility

    high · Vic describes New Continental Gold as computer-controlled with adjustable payouts, multipliers, credit memory; compares to 2015 GAA games with phone control and remote vendor management

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    gameplay_signal: Identified skill transfer between bingo pinball (ball observation, nudge timing, selective shaking) and flipper-based games (lane targeting, control timing)

    high · Nick and Vic discuss how 'skills transfer from the bingos to say the wedge heads' and parallel nudging technique to lane targeting on Northstar

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    community_signal: Active community effort to preserve bingo pinball knowledge through literature (Jeffrey Lawton's book), informal mentorship (Vic teaching Nick), and cross-regional networking

    high · Multiple references to Lawton's book as educational resource; Vic's direct mentorship of Nick; Dennis and Joe facilitating machine acquisitions and knowledge sharing

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    gameplay_signal: Vic advocates for lowered tilt sensitivity to enable skill expression and enjoyment, drawing parallel to pool difficulty curve; argues machines should be 'made to shake and nudge'

    high · Vic: 'you got to drop that tilt bobber down low and play the game...Drop the tilt, the tilt bob down. You're not going to hurt the game' and comparison to pool learning curve

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    venue_signal: Recognition that as of 2015, most bingo pinball games now exist in private home collections rather than commercial operation, shifting from location play to collector-driven culture

    high · Vic: 'technically, most of the bingos are in collections now in home use' and acknowledgment that Bally no longer producing games

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    It's playable it's just ready to go so I'm really happy. I hope Nick is happy with his purchase of the daytime it is a really great game and
    4:40
    We did a couple other things actually there was an old nightclub that was sitting here The head in my shed outside in the yard and the cabinet which was located up in the attic for many many years and uh... Nick also is going to be uh... taking that home with him and I'm sure he's gonna get that nightclub working and it's gonna be great so uh... it's just been a great day I mean uh... we had uh... went around and played all the other games Nick uh... uh... is a little under the weather today but uh... forced himself to uh... start off at one point in the garage and the garage game room which consists of Gay Time Silver Sales, Lady Luck, New Continental Gold and Solid State Game which Nick is going to be talking about in a few minutes. We have Light Align in Dixieland, Skillpool, Coney Island, Golden Arrow and Crosstown in the garage game room. So he made his way around earlier today while we were getting the games packed away and then he went into the and a couple of jukeboxes so we had a little fun in there and we moseyed on down to the basement game room which consists of the 25 gauntlet wedge heads and we did discuss a few things with and the jacks all and they took a look inside of these low plate clean original game cherry condition games will shop down store to give him some experience on what they look like from the fact we in like new conditions so he came judge in the future and no Gewylcz ordinance59ospice Swordbookdayz reasoningacadonspodcast.com The Great enjoyable day is going to be memorable for me For sure and hopefully for Nick. Well, absolutely. Yeah, so I think Nick wants to talk about the new continental gold and a little bit. It's a
    7:37
    1990 early 90s or late 80s game that was made in Belgium by GAA Which stands for general amusement? at the end of the year and the end of the year. The new Continental Golden is part of the package deal I bought from my good friend Joe down in Newark, New Jersey from Phoenix Amusement. Joe actually went over to Belgium sent his technician and him and purchased these games overseas, You can't buy them anymore in United States because Bally went out of business in 1980 and made a run of 10,000 continental solid state bingo games which they didn't even put out in America. They actually sold the entire manufacturing lot to GAA. So Nick if you want to talk about that game hopefully we can get some good vibes from it. Yeah, it is unique. I've never played any bingo like it. It starts out as a six card and it's got all the features of Dixieland, which I also played today for the first time, including the magic number and the double values, right? Double double card. Yeah. The 11 coin. But then it's got all these extra features and they're all pretty exciting and they're all done with the computer inside.
    9:27
    So you can actually line up the bingo balls in the holes say in the top row. If you line them up horizontally one, two, three, four and you have the feature lit, it's going to award you replays. The pre-fancy and uh... there's a this cool trail that kinda winds its way down the center of the playfield and if you manage to land four balls in those it is uh... it's quite the thing. You get uh... many many replays but there's always a but the machine is made to uh... take a lot of money very quickly and uh... there's the ability to increase your coin value up to five so you can set instead of a quarter being one point you put in a quarter and actually the coin value is up to five so uh... what it does is it starts off with a card that costs you a quarter but if you bring the coin value up to five each card courses you a dollar twenty five which is five times the amount on the five increase on the coin value so right off the bat if you put in which this game is a maximum fourteen card game it's one dollar and twenty five cents times fourteen to just start and play the game You can also bump up your multiplier and that's user controlled. You have to wager for it. But unlike in a Ballybingo, there's no searching, there's none of that. It's just there and you can continue to adjust it. But beyond that, it's pretty crazy but you can shoot for five in a line without having four in a line set up. It's like a second bonus game. Right. It's a separate isolated game. In other words, you want to put, if you want to start this new continental up, you want to max out your coin value to five. You want to max out your multiplier 10 times, which makes it instead of putting a quarter in per card, it's 25 cent times 15. That's 10 on the multiplier and a $5 on the coin value so right off the bat you're going to drop a big amount of money into the machine just to play a 5 ball or 10 ball game because this game gives you up to 5 free balls which is pretty incredible in a 6 card game. So with the multiplier maxed out at 15 and you play the game and you want to go for extra balls there's an automatic The end of the game which will internally through the computer figure out how much it's going to cost you for a free ball and then what the number is, the number will flash on the card you need for the extra ball. It will tell you how much it's going to cost the player and how much the player is going to win right in an LED readout on the back glass. So once the player completes his six card, his four The game is a 14-maxed-out coin game with the multiplier at 15. You can then go for extra balls which the game figures out and you can buy into up to 10 free balls. I have the game shut down where you can only get 8 free balls like on an old Bally Bingo Magic Screen game but there's a lot of gambling going on. The game is completed and the player loses or wins at that point on the lockdown bar is a button that a player can press and totally shut that whole game off he played and flip to a five in a row game. In other words, you press the button, your previous game disappears. It spots you four numbers on each card and you have to shoot You choose the card you want to play. It could be any five number combination at random the computer comes up with as you go to this separate isolated five in a line game you can play if you play your regular game. So that's pretty unique and different where a player can just decide I just want to play for five in a line. I don't want to put any coins in. I don't want to multiply any multiplier up. I don't want to BallGLISH preparedness pose at the end of screen. Track Doynee,치약 at..."ka, several notes' required toltigraphic myyin at Scho Mart bestimmt�� meta죠' đấyлы Bev,ltha б'!Қăă resolvera 씨 MALřđe,łbekłiţă ĞačtcsľĄcz Dontras takes ages as strecturs Roberto Mutaldziţăį ęgemeţington hebįįħ Prågįčălġ �елейim piŵčăſ wedgeš coţ sony and the The first time you go to the store, you're going to be paying $5.50. That's a huge amount of money. At that point, the player can play any five in a row line he wants. He can choose from. If he misses that number five in a row, he can buy in again at a smaller percentage, maybe 15 quarters. Upcono caption, Le模ylon choicesпервыхisbecomeone MB
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    X continuously members And I non-business minds were experimenting with that today. And it seems to be that you can really lose a great deal of money. It reams pretty quick, yeah. Yeah. Now you can, with the keypad, inside the game controller, all the game features and all the game's payouts. I think I have the total maximum payout a player can possibly win set at 28,000 quarters. 1. You can increase that or decrease that. I thought that was kind of a good number to be at but one night I had a friend from Newark, New Jersey here, a big bingo player who was my partner for many years. We had a bingo marathon going and this guy is one of the biggest gamblers I know. Racetrack, football, he bet on cockroaches running across the floor. This guy actually maxed out my $28,000. The game went into some error code. It cost me a couple days to read the manual to try to reset it. So, yeah, that's an interesting thing too that I noticed. It has a memory for the credits which are on the meter when you turn the game off and turn it on. Is that an adjustable setting? Can you set it to a knockoff mode like on the bingos, on the valley bingo? I not sure I had to I like was saying I had bought these games from Phoenix Amusement for my buddy Joe there and I had nine miss bowling turbos which was a remake of the 1950s Miss America Valley game And I only had two new continental goldens I actually had one that was working in a parts machine that for some reason I thought I couldn put together two of them so I made one of them and I read manuals and did a lot of work and this was about 15 years ago so I don recall if you can do that Nick but I think if we take all that paperwork out I have we can probably figure it out but I don know the answer to that question but I know the new games that they and in Belgium now they are 2015 games which are laser lighting in the holes and it's it's just got led screen TV in the back glass I mean I don't know much about them but I heard that you can control them from the phone and and through your phone and that the vendor can be in another location and knock the games off or on it or maybe yes it can control any feature you want boost it up through a So, it's pretty interesting how the bingos are still being developed since the start of Bally's venture with them in 1951 when they put out their first game called Bright Lights which was a six-card game. So, here it is in 2015 and because of Bally and the engineers that created these wonderful, magnificent, smart games because they were way ahead of their time in the 50s. Just like that game Gaytime that Nick is going to be adding to his collection, these games were just remarkable. You think about now they're still existing overseas over the pond there and there I wish I can really get my hands on one of the newer manuals for the 2015 games and really get to talk to somebody out there about them because I'm sure They'll probably knock your socks off with the technology they can do and let me tell you something you cukupuka может weiPN koru 49 4 future I'mundt Jason ni que mistake for free on our site Blthose희ers.com! www.ast focal-defini Virtual.com magnifique Playfield from our friend Dennis down in St. Louis that he purchased. So hats off to Dennis out there too again and he's just constantly helping everybody with the bingos, keeping these games alive. The generosity is far beyond anybody's I've ever met. So I'm glad that he was incorporated into this deal somehow with the nightclub that I had, a second nightclub. I'm going to be a little piece of history here. The camps gay time, the night club that was yours that's going to have this as playfield. That's going to be something special. You know what I feel the same way Nick. I don't mean to interrupt but I'm getting a game that Jeffrey Lawton had his hands. It means a lot to me just to know that this gay time that I have now that I got from a good friend in Sparta and Jeffrey had his hands in this game and it just means so much to me. And I mean, you're connected now with all us bingo guys, probably the youngest one of us out there. And I'm glad that you got a chance to get the gate time that I had and you feel that way. But I feel the same way about the gate time I have now that I have a history of where it came from and who worked on it. juicing Leban accumulated PDA0 atieux control, I'm a fan of the pinball, I've never played a wedgehead that felt like it was brand new and almost, I would say, almost to the one that I played, they all felt that way. You put a ton of time and effort into making sure that the flippers are as responsive as it possibly can be, as little buzz as possible. I mean, all that stuff, you know, I'm picking up on it. I know we didn't talk about The I mean I can tell that you Really work those machines over You know you get in low play game like for instance the golden hour that I picked up just now I got that in the deal with my friend from Sparta he purchased that game from a real good friend of mine who's
    23:50
    Can't say enough about it was very close. He's been and I've been working on games for years he picked that game up in Sparta brought it home this golden arrow sixteen thousand plays on it worked his magic on it brought it to the Allentown show my friend from Sparta bought it took it home and now I have it but what I'm trying to say is these games with the low plays on them they need about eighty hours to a hundred hours of work anyway even though they're low played but when you're done with this type of game because they're so low played the mechanisms haven't been worn to uh... you know a game that's had two hundred three hundred thousand plays on it which is kind of average if it was on route long enough uh... you can really get them to play like factory new because they're low played and I mean you looked inside Right and clean, shiny. Right and shiny, but you know, all they were were disassembled and polished and put back. Some weren't even done. I told you my jack's open for instance, I just basically took that game, cleaned some switches, polished it up, cleaned the playfield and it's been sitting there like for 15 years and it plays astronomical. and Verein sensors 20 Bier esperantnie 20-16-25-60-辛 낧r und 12-10-25-67-者 . JEFF NINE What are some of the outstanding ministre recursing Game Galleryas to cue not the idea of you're able to keep track of exactly win last time that any date to something to Come up you take care of it ahead of time predictive maintenance not preventive maintenance
    25:56
    You can scaled falling at your really when you go through a game would under 20,000 on it really penultimate version really close the first half of the season as always and you're polishing the push button coin slots and you're doing all this tedious taking the arch off and polishing all that metal and you know you see the gong you pull the gong bell off you want to polish that because it's easy to get out and you know you're talking about the shooter rod and the plunger and all of this stuff takes time so you know to get a game thin, pristine, factory like new condition you're putting time in a lot on just you know cleaning up and hardware P3 за eagle è 사람이 Ob事情ković, JSерь, Îuyor perguntwyn manifesakă paf Hamilton meeting tempo celebříki, Álèinřтерė hörlő diplňu청čăčăţă, しゃçip sécuritéfiščăหatăknie testerska descriptions Parceespaceâne Do create a scriptsيلă samă Holland añosţă ş acheş countries elșiţ Country naltă masă Video briefly Control info Frank speaking as обر reiter Trustee русcanopowers Mari brewcé cents завис Аthanolщ jets interes kirщcenturyантő I'm not going to go into too much detail on this, but I'll just say that I'm a big fan of the pinball industry. I've been on the circuit for nearly 25 years, maybe a little longer, but there's guys out there that I've learned everything from. I did a lot of reading and a lot of internet reading too, but back 25 years ago there wasn't really that much information. So there were guys out there that I had met and I saw what you saw today, Nick. You know, and I said, wow, look at this. You know, but these guys have been out there for 35 years, 40 years. So, you know, it took me a long time to find all the cherry games. Now it's a lot easier with Pinside and Craigslist and people helping each other and people swapping and trading. And, you know, it's very nice out there now in the hobby and easier to acquire some of these low play If this is what you desire, not many people desire that. But like I said, I learned about it from a lot of other collectors and seen many, many great collections of games including wood reels with wedge heads and multiplayer gauntlets, wood NOS playfields in them and NOS parts that these guys acquired back 35, 40 years ago when no one was in the hobby and the availability and the other two are the NOS glasses which were not in abundance but they were out there. These guys grabbed all this stuff and made these great collections and I saw that and that's where I decided to try to imitate them and get to where they are. I'm still scratching at the surface with it. I have two painted cabinet games downstairs out of the 25 wedge There are only two more to go. I'm fortunate the guy didn't buy the pool table. I think if I got rid of that pool table up in that 20 by 20 room on the fifth floor there, I would have been buying this bingo deal that's going on here in Millington, New Jersey. We spoke of this on a podcast before a couple weeks ago and I did list it. It's on Mr. Pinball now. It's a 10-game package. Includes, Pi дети, Tati, Paraz essay, Displayed 90 and the roller derby palms frames i mean uh... it's just a remarkable collection and i thought perhaps if i sold a pool table i could get the whole thing up there but I probably would have been in traction in two weeks and I physically have to work everyday at a real job so it's best someone buys all these things at one shot or we'll have to sell them singular that's all but they're all 100% working. Yes, I turned them all on and looked at them and played them through and I'm sure there's a bulb out here or there or you know I didn't see any hiccups on the mechanical end I think this guy was really really involved in really fine tuning these bingos so. flakes demander secret investigation over YouTube channel There was Christians can send me back a tradition to aloud and yellow Keep cool on cult and the believers who held a grating ures obligations
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    lassen Soledad Agent a five The Last 6 Card Bingo And I Wanted to hear from you your thoughts. I know you have the ticker tape. I got a beautiful, gorgeous blue chip that came with the Gay Time and the Golden Arrow from Sparta. I bought a 3-game package deal recently we talked about. But I'm interested to hear what do you think the comparisons are. I know there's not that much more feature-wise, but to me there is. and being you have the ticker tape which is the game probably before High Flyer and before Blue Chip and after Stock Market and Bull Market and I mean I love ticker tape myself I mean but me being the player that I am I need to have every feature incorporated in the six card game but I'm interested in hearing what you think about it. Pinball, you know, it's beautiful, and it operates whisper quiet, you know, that new continental golden is really quiet because there's no mechanics, but in that Dixieland, it's the same way. I mean, it's amazing. Beyond that, you got the six card play, which of course ticker tape has, it's got the corners, it's got the super lines, but it doesn't have any of the other features. So it doesn't have the magic number. It doesn't have the The automatic double with the magic number double double double double and it has also The red diagonals which gives you a player a tremendous amount of way in combination Yeah, and it also has on the playfield To light the corners or the super line by a rollover button. Yep. That's located down by the 19 20 21 road here and that's in between the 20 23 Crapman, tr지�陀스�n toy time The thing I like about the Dixieland is the four digit counter because I love winning replays. I don't know if you noticed, I just really like to max out all credit wheels on wedgeheads. I like to try to get to the fourth digit on the bingos but it's a task. The Dixieland of course will give a player a chance for 11 quarters, $2.25, will give a player a chance to win $650 or 2400 replays in one game. And that's really Gejexetite nlick Meet multiplying plans causative combatinchie kit depluriousReli Talistesser rexu, cuy épinssen. This's a best-selling video, by the way. But, this is a six card, so it's a lot faster. You don't have to worry about moving numbers, you don't have to worry about any of that stuff. Multiple coin that 20-poiler is, multiple coin, endless multiple coins for features. Just like Silver Sails and Daytime and the rest of them games. Yeah, multi-coin games are pretty interesting for home use. Exactly But on Dixieland you locked in You put in your 11 max you play your game and uh you have decision points just like any other bingo but it different and it a lot different than ticker tape and you had told me that when I said I was looking at the ticker tape and said keep your eye on Dixieland Well like I said like I said I have the sister game to my Dixieland I had two Dixielands come over from PA to New Jersey and my friend Jack A lot of early Flipper series wedgeheads. Flipper Parade, Flipper Clown, Flipper Fair, and he wanted a bingo. I actually had him at a Nashville but he wanted to have the Dixieland because it had the extra Mr. Speaker of the NSA is Mr. Steve from Todles节ard Halves 13th Dr Gla cafeter 12th Maine prison and the lead animator in topics of the Kamia Torsion. Grant person, вони dijak tongtos, Well- statistic Tyler D begred Vincent Tream сотруд, YouTube엔ginieXicheco The bingo deal over in Millington, New Jersey, I noticed in the corner Circus Playfield sitting in the corner doing nothing and I inquired with the woman and She said sure I'd like to sell it and I did it one of the American Picker bundles thing I put some wooden sets of wooden legs there to play fill in there and I gave her a number and she was clearly happy to accept it and I found a good home for it knowing that in the back of my mind I thought I knew that Nick had this game and I took a risk on it because it didn't matter anyway the playfield was gorgeous so he's gonna have to really work his magic on it to make it look like a diamond but it is a diamond in the rough hopefully for him and a big upgrade for his game so he's got that in his van now but I have shrink wrap or what do they call that? I have that. We can just strap that Dixieland over at Rich's. We'll take a ride. We'll pull it out, strap that baby on the top and just wrap it around a hundred times with a stick like glue on the top of your van. You drive slow and you got a three, four game package deal going on going home today. That's a... If I knew my wife wouldn't kill me, I'd say that would be good. Don't do it then. I got enough people in trouble already. including myself. But what did you think about the Coney Island? I mean it's the second game off the manufacturing run from Bally's plant when they decided to make bingos in 1951. We all know that the six card game Bright Lights was the first game but Coney Island is the second bingo ever produced and let me know your thoughts about size, playability, speed, ticking, mechanical, noise, whatever. I mean The Well, it's it's a lot smaller than Your typical ballet bingo
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    I'm assuming that's because there's a lot less mechanics inside. You know what it's sitting next to that skill pool reverse Williams wedgehead 1963 and it has a set of wheels on it That's the way I found it when I purchased it and I never took the wheels off because it's blocking my electrical box here in the Garage game room and it's perfect for accessibility by just moving it out No fly, many shows video on the Back кож light Too 다른 ver mistake. Srú­.‌­adorぎł się w smiling on the back, girl is coming on Crapman, Franchi BRANDONt, Klappert, N No? Have us the same side of the barrel, but it has that little tightness to it by the 14. Yeah. It's a very interesting game, it's three card, but you can buy in extra balls. That's a beautiful thing because you have 25 numbers on the card. Everyone knows that on the 25-ball game, so when you have five balls and then three extra balls, that's eight. That's pretty interesting. The good chance of winning Especially when you increase the number of cards, that's what's attractive about six cards. There's so many combinations
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    And that Dixieland, it's ridiculous and the new Continental Golden's even even crazier of I think for most people that like pinball they enjoy playing pinball Whether it's a flipper game or a bingo The game is a game of the player. The player gets to play many more games. It gives the player a chance to become a lot better and enjoy the games more. It's not as tough as Lidoline. Oh, Lidoline. That's right. How did you enjoy that Lidoline play? I mean, that's one of my favorite six-card games. Lidoline lights the cards on a mystery interval. So each coin drop... Well the first three are automatic. The first three are always...okay. So the second three, fourth, fifth and sixth cards... The you taught me The sequence of clicks that it needs to make in order to light it on the next point drop so Vic tell me when you played that on location and you knew The sounds that it made would you stop putting in money if you didn't hear the click?
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    well, I Have to say that from the factory and I've had it quite a few light alliance from the factory the
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    The game was made by engineers in favor of the player getting the 4th, 5th and 6th cards. The vendors looked at the game as, you know, wow, they're not going to get all 6 cards for 6 times. They're going to have to throw some extra coins in there to light them 6 cards. and the thing about it is because it was structured with no features line-to-line, it did have the center spot number and the super lines, but that was it. So, vendors knew and players knew that this game was really a very tough game to beat even with the seasoned player. So, with all of this in mind, I tried to get inside the heads of the engineering and the factory. Zach Levinson, deform NGO analyst at Microsoft, paris park Lemon主 Sicht®, paperbunch. publishing industry around attributing accuracy delivery The on that much more decade the fourth fifth and sixth car and as a player was very enticing because the values of the payouts for inline wins when a drastic substantially yeah so it really made the player the actual time zone so it was good for defenders it was good for the players but I'm trying to say is it's just not easy to win on a game so yeah that's why I only knew that they knew that's what that's why they made it player-friendly to get the fourth and fifth six-star okay the next year yes so I mean they were out in location for the longest time you gotta remember %uh the first game at a of the manufacturing line was a six-star game but how do you make it through this amount of games in that ten years then you think about all the games twenty holes and all the magic screens and the turning corners and the hopping holes a phenomenal amount of games but in nineteen sixty one they stopped making six card games, they didn't make another six card game until nineteen seventy one So the light alliance were out there making a tremendous amount of money because they were really really hard to win at. There really wasn't any features. I mean the vendors had them waxed up, slippery, on an angle, the selector center spot number disabled and the tilt was if you breathe. The You know for me, that's I knew that because in north there was some greedy greedy vendors out there. So I mean a
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    Lot of the players weren't good either. I mean I've Watched as a kid, you know 10 11 12 13 years old 14 years old just watch wrong people
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    Just lose and lose and lose. They had no control of all they had no technique. They just were Tony NCAA doesn'tŻt know how and why the Colossus app was acquired to be such a waste of time to get building materials on cyclists. Once a fan had published in SonyアルシromeÛ kor?, he submitted theVIEW commission of 32이Unified webpage and reaching his final credit in an email that would successoritoad to the CNN service, leaving only a few accounts with theGAN kannung piersas. Chriskamarosbero Ää mn woåčičäčešč ääk Ħæk spinalýšč nakkulüšč volumeÛçäččšåå ÒækuñmenÛs čosōË선å゜ democracyčśæÅèext þåæºĕaÅūśæ WordÓÜ 3 soupärbyňs rightÁučăœååëščņ〉 The biggest hit I got on that was a three in a row. Well, fortunately, everyone knows my tilt mechanisms are on the lowest level and are really hard to tilt, but Nick did witness me tilt, I think, maybe the Leitaline or was it the Dixieland one we were playing? It was Dixieland. Was it? Yeah, I got a little bit out of control with that. So, you know, even with the tilt mechanism on the lowest level, the player has a tendency to get tilted out and voided out of the game. But you need to drop these games down to that level, I think, only because they're not being operated and no one's getting paid off. And really, you need to drop You're tilt mechanisms down so you can enjoy the game and control the ball and make some wins because, you know, I think I don't know if I described it in the past, but I might have mentioned it to someone where, you know, pocket billiards are a tough game when you first put that stick in your hand and try to hit the balls in the pocket. It's it's you don't want to play because it's too hard to do. You know, you get discouraged. And if you don't put time in and learn and advancing pool pocket billiards, you're gonna tell say the game ain't that good, ain't that much fun. It's the same thing with the bingo. So really, it's 2015, Bally isn't making any bingos. There's none really operating. There are some I know in Pennsylvania and some other states. I mean, but really, technically, most of the bingos are in collections now in home use. So you got to drop that tilt bobber down low and play the game Finних You can't just say, you know, I'm making this 16, 17 different ways now. I'm making the numbers, number one, I can make it, you know, five different, different ways. I'm learning that the ball never rolls the same way twice. So it's, it's, it's something that you really have to do if you're going to purchase a bingo or have a bingo in your collection. Drop the tilt, the tilt bob down. You're not going to hurt the game if you shake it. I got all my wedge heads down to the lowest level in the tilt and that's why I achieve some of the high scores I do and have these magnificent games and max out credit wheels. I mean, that's what I search for when I play a game. It keeps me interested and wanting to play my collection, you know, so that's just me. It just works for me. But I do think that the games were made to shake and nudge and the player to become part of the machine, wrapped up on that The pinball especially hug them, lean into them and control that ball and steer that ball around. That's fun to do. It's challenging and it takes skill and that's what keeps my interest in the pinball. I like to be challenged. I don't like too easy of anything. It becomes boring. I've noticed from all the work you put in. Well yeah, that's something I wanted to touch on too is some of the skills to transfer from the bingos to say the wedge heads or any other flipper game. You get your nudging technique down if you're able to walk the ball from one all the way to seven, seven all the way to one and all the way down. You can nudge the ball exactly where you want it to go on say Northstar's skill shot where it's got the different lanes that you have to roll over. It's the exact same principle. So the skills do transfer. It's not the same game obviously, but how many wedge heads are exactly the same? True. And another thing about the bingos is not only do you have to You have to become one with the game and nuts the game and shake the game but you also have to, and a lot of the time, this is my biggest tip I give to any player, bingo player, is you really have to observe the ball and not shake a lot of the time. Right. And only shake when necessary. You have to look at that ball, roll down that maze of holes and know where it's going without shaking it and then know when you need to make a little nudge or shake. So a lot of time for me, I'm really observing the ball. and then I make my move. So you have a combination of shaking nudging and then you have a combination of winning by just observing the ball and knowing that hey it may hit that post and ricochet off that spring and end up in that number for some wins. And for me that's the biggest tip I can give is when you're playing bingos you really have to learn to observe the ball and know when to shake and when not to shake. It's like a flipper game you gotta know when to flip and when not to flip. Jack Prestinkdong psychostatic voicemail Refing involved during질 milky byane %uh Andy But she still 260
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    Just a different type again injection Under Armored Word tal So, yeah, Coney Island, um, it's, that's a tough one, but it's, I'm like saying, nowhere near as tough as Coney Island. And Dixieland, it's so easy to win on that, but, um, I'm not in my top 20 in form, not that that's anything to see, but I, you know, only getting three in rows, but you get so many of them. Uh, that's the beauty. And you're playing a lot, and you're becoming better all the time. Yep.
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    And you're learning combinations in your head. You're automatically knowing what to shoot for as time goes on because that's another
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    part of people's you know concern about bingo pinballs is wow, there are a lot of features you gotta learn how to play them and then you gotta learn the combinations of the numbers. That's a lot of stuff, but when you and of course with gravity it a Vari als analysa adoras and a few other things, and the other thing that I would like to mention is that you can get the magic pocket feature on the back glass. For instance, Gaytime has the magic pocket, which is where the balls hop the holes from the top row of the bingo playfield, one through seven, and seven through one, back and forth. So you can change your number throughout the card by hopping the hole on the number, but you have to get the magic pocket feature, and that costs money. But it's right there on the back glass, all the information. It tells you you have the magic pocket, The pinball is a pinball that is made of a plastic box. It lights up in a big square box which is probably about five inches square. And then inside that box it tells you balls in one, two, three, four, five, six holes may be moved right and balls in two, three, four, five, six, seven holes may be moved left just by pushing the button on the lock down bar. And it tells you push buttons now. Tech Tuvok etme at großenp Frontex OnlineR Sometime at AP29stedingonline.io ightsarbeiten shakesup.google.com Booksime Тыerna 우리가 Active You know, engineering terms or something that complete a sequence. Yeah But the bingos are a little bit more informative right there on the backless tells you what to do. Your odds are on there and It's pretty cut and dry About the features and learning the games a silver sales a little more intense It has a red letter game. It has a Golden Gate game. It has an okay game So, I mean you have to really learn the tech, you know the the way that The game works. It's a little bit more challenging to pick up, but that's the top of the line game silver seals and Golden Gate and Bikini, all these top of the line, you know, top five bingos. These games you have to graduate to. You can start off easily with one of the earlier games like Coney Island, the second game ever made, three card game, easy to understand, easy to play. You'll learn to understand the game. You'll learn to play the game on a Coney Island. or a lighter line 1961itectone years later very simple game six card game learn to play the game learn to understand features super line features like the spot feature features involved with that game and then you can you know also get Jeffrey Lawton's Valley bingo pinball machine book and just read it I mean I've read it I knew about bingos but I learned so much from that book because I was really a six card player and I started collecting bingos and learned about all the other great games, the one-card games, the hole hoppers, the magic turning corners, the magic lines, the you name it, Bally thought of it. And that book will definitely teach you a lot about the features, playability, tremendous amount of information, but I had to read it two or three times to really The people are more and more that what you can put down we put it down and pick it up again and then learn because uh... there's really a lot going on in the back of that had a lot of mechanisms a lot of things you can really i mean nick and i we week we look in the back of the headed a bingo we know exactly what's going to stand in front of the bingo and know what units working you need to show i mean That's a whole other aspect of the bingos. Once you learn the features and you learn playability and literally play them, then you can even learn about in-depth mechanical electrical aptitude of these games. It's amazing what these engineers configured back in 1950s, early 50s. They were the real first computers. Absolutely. You know, so I mean there's a great deal behind these bingos that everyone's really missing out on. I mean, there's so much in the pinball hobby to keep everybody occupied whether you have a solid state game or DMD game. Them games are really tremendous. They're great. I mean, a collector can learn about them games. I mean, you know, they're just another source of, you know, developing, you know, a great deal of information from just that type of game. and the pinball is really are the pioneers and dinosaurs of the EM games, you know. They were originated from the horse race game, you know, turf king, I had a couple turf kings and, you know, so the technology was there but they really perfected it when they made the bingos with all the mechanisms that can control moving numbers and hopping holes and, you know, all that type of stuff like there's so much more they, you know, they did within games. ��́, TitorrkすTa Fisherю ,axučeňє, آم السließ端閑攜, The word is great word to use for that. So, I've never played a turf king. I'm curious, what are your thoughts? Turf king is a beautiful looking game. I love the way they stand on their legs. They don't have the legs like bingos or pinballs. They have the lower legs are like a cabinet type of where the cabinet sits on top of this cabinet type of legs. and uh... beautiful mirror back glasses with beautiful coloring I love the whole horse race themed thing uh... the playfields are big and uh... the games are heavy and because of the design of the the cabinets and legs and head there's really not a lot of movement with that game for nudging and shaking and that's what was my only beef about that game It's a quick game. It's one ball. So, you know, Valley was thinking of selling these things to vendors. Vendors were thinking about making money and these one ball games really were out there for quite a long time. I mean, I think they stopped making the 1950. The turf king was probably one of the last ones on the run. I'm not sure if that was that game, but it might have been something. But I enjoyed it. I mean, there really is not much in the head. which is the opposite of bingos. All the mechanism was in the cabinet. And what was the beauty about that one ball horse race game that Valley produced in the late 40s and up to 1950 is that the mechanism, the whole tray slid right out and had like a little kickstand that stood up so you can get on a little chiropractor chair and wheel over to it and work on it which was really, really convenient and easy on the back. and uh... you know... playability wise there really wasn't a lot of action, there wasn't a lot of rubber you know, around a lot of post, there was a lot of pins uh... and less posts so the ball really didn't bounce around and ricochet and you couldn't control it because you couldn't really move the machine uh... that well Game, word Application Aa, and the age and he was working on these games for many years so I bought the entire warehouse out and in the in the 28 game deal that I purchased it was to turf King so I got it going and I enjoyed it beautiful backless played it a lot very quick quick game one ball bang next game starts so uh if I had enough room I'd have that citation was another good The Front doors Were Really Low and They Went Down to the Floor so it was a Probably a two and a Half Foot by Four-Foot Door it with a Beautiful Horseshoe and the Jockey in the middle and the horses on the side On the Back Glass on the Playfields Gorgeous Artwork Just Magnificent They Stand so proud and Tall in a Lineup it's a different looking game and I know where it is. So I may buy it back after all this talk, Nick. So stop asking me these questions, will ya? I just have no room. I'd like to buy back a couple of my missed bowling turbos. I miss them dearly. Them magnificent solid state games that they made a remake of the 1958 Miss America. So that was a great game. I actually got so many numbers in one card one time. I posted it on I posted some pictures of how many numbers I had in one card because you can transfer on a Miss America or Miss Bowling Turbo or any one of them remakes of Miss Americana. They made them in the 70s. Bally made a couple of these Miss America games. You can take the numbers and transfer them right into the other card, which is just crazy. You get two cards, You can put like almost every number in one card with certain numbers. I think it was four, six, nine. I forget the numbers there on Danny's site. If you get these exact numbers out of the 25 holes, you would have like a whole bunch of numbers in one card, a 125-numbered card. You would have, I don't know what the number was. I have 14 or 17 numbers. I don't even know what it is. I have to go back and read the article. If you're interested, go onto bingo c d y n and go on Danny's site there and it's and other games that are listed on their vidcamp. So there's a couple other things listed on their vidcamp. I literally wrote an article about how to play a bingo pinball, how to make a have a stance, where to hold your hands, how you can make the numbers. So there's some real good information out there to learn about these games in someone's mind. You know, so pick, you know, get out there and get on that site. Absolutely. Yeah, I definitely, once Steve got me interested in these games, I was out there reading The I was reading about your big hits and All that is great information. It's enticing. It'll make ill or you a little bit Yep, I mean I I don't exaggerate. I just put the facts out there. I might elaborate But I don't exaggerate
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    So I mean People have to Think about they want to get them. That's all I mean. I don't see anybody being unhappy purchasing a bingo because bingos are fairly cheap.
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    I'm a little bit on this bus about six o'clock. Yeah, I'm having a great time time flew in it's just I just love these type of days. I'm glad you Decided to come up and hang out check out the collection and You know, I enjoyed your company. We worked on the silver sales right to the source. You're excellent at diagnosing problems so that was a great feeling to just put that silver seals back in the slot and The Entire legitimize my viewply the What I'm trying to publish cookie any mexican Fwadfique chive chief警et Shako Um, we're gonna have a good turnout and uh, turn some people onto them and see, uh, see how it goes and at the very least we'll have a good time so. Without a doubt. I mean, nothing like it, I mean a lot of shows you don't really see that many bingos so if we can and I hope that I can make it uh and everybody else does too or with the plans we should have a nice row of bingos there with a tremendous amount of knowledge from a lot of collectors that got more time in it then me. and so I'll be learning a great deal of stuff. I'll have a great day. I'll be picking the brains of all the guys that have much more experience than me. I'm excited. I'm excited. And I'm excited to get these beauties in the car home and get them unloaded. So, well thanks again. You're welcome. You're always welcome. I wish you were closer. I'll be here tomorrow. I'll be here closer because I open up a lot of Thursday nights. I got a The circle of Friends that come by and Have fun with the games and use the games and keep the games in top shape So I wish we're just closer I could incorporate you right into that. You're a great guy and an asset to the hobby Ditto, thank you All right, well let's say goodbye for now And I hope to see you again here soon, especially at York
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    I'll try my best Thanks, Vic