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TL;DR

Arcade1Up digital pinball cabinet analysis: specs, design concerns, pricing, and licensing speculation.

Summary

Chris Freebus and Jared Morgan discuss the newly announced Arcade1Up digital pinball cabinet in detail, comparing it to ToyShock's offering. They cover specifications (7-inch DMD, 24-inch playfield monitor, accelerometer nudging, haptic feedback, adjustable legs, no plunger, $500-700 price, Q3 2020 release), design concerns (diagonal bezel limiting playfield view), and speculation about future licensing deals between Arcade1Up and Zen Studios. They also discuss ToyShock's design iterations and broader arcade cabinet news including NBA Jam licensing.

Key Claims

  • Arcade1Up's digital pinball cabinet will be three-quarter scale with a 7-inch full color LCD DMD and 24-inch playfield monitor, releasing Q3 2020 at $500-700

    high confidence · Chris and Jared cite CES reveal, box art, and CNET interview; Chris specifically mentions $600 from CNET video

  • The Arcade1Up cabinet has a diagonal bezel design that creates a smaller effective playfield viewing area than edge-to-edge displays would provide

    high confidence · Chris describes rotating prototype video showing diagonal bezel sides; Jared confirms apron obstructs view on-screen as well

  • Star Wars will be the first table released on Arcade1Up; approximately 10 tables total will ship with the cabinet

    high confidence · Chris and Jared cite multiple sources mentioning Star Wars Q3 release; Chris mentions ~10 tables mentioned in CNET interview

  • Arcade1Up cabinet lacks a plunger, which generated community debate about necessity for 'real pinball'

    high confidence · Chris notes lengthy Facebook debate; Jared counters that digital plungers in ToyShock work and skill shots are possible

  • ToyShock cabinets suffer from lag issues that FarSight/Zen is working to fix; first-gen units are not Wi-Fi enabled and cannot receive updates

    high confidence · Chris cites ToyShock's public acknowledgment of lag; Jared notes isolation of first-gen hardware

  • Arcade1Up struck a licensing deal with the NBA for their NBA Jam cabinet, using players from 1991 era with official team logos

    high confidence · Chris notes this deal as precedent for future licensing; mentions this was covered extensively in CNET video

  • ToyShock has released a second iteration cabinet with improved bezel design (black/textured) and plunger assembly based on community feedback

    high confidence · Jared mentions black bezel shown at CES; notes plunger improvement was community-driven feedback

Notable Quotes

  • “So they've done some really cool things.”

    Chris Freebus @ ~05:30 — Positive reaction to Rise of the Resistance ride design; contextualizes Chris's expertise in analyzing game/ride mechanics

  • “It's not an edge to edge cabinet fitting display. The bezel is sort of like a diagonal sort of shape floating in from the top of the cabinet down to where the monitor is.”

    Chris Freebus @ ~30:00 — Technical description of Arcade1Up's visual compromise; key design criticism

  • “So they probably released their initial short run of the ToyShock cabinet for a positioning exercise. They wanted to be out there.”

    Jared Morgan @ ~40:45 — Market strategy analysis: first-mover advantage motivation explains quality compromises

  • “It's what goes on under the glass, Chris, that matters.”

    Jared Morgan @ ~55:00 — Articulates core value proposition: game content trumps cabinet cosmetics

  • “Well, exactly right, like I can see Steam boxes going in there pretty quickly, as long as they can work out how they interface with the haptic elements and the DMD.”

    Jared Morgan @ ~50:15 — Forecasts hardware hacking/modding potential; indicates community will modify cabinets

  • “Even on the ToyShock cabinet, you can actually make skill shots consistently with that plunger, even the first iteration.”

    Jared Morgan @ ~45:30 — Defends digital plunger functionality against community skepticism

Entities

Chris FreebuspersonJared MorganpersonArcade1UpcompanyZen StudioscompanyToyShockcompanyFarSight StudioscompanyPatrick WaltonpersonGhost ThronepersonJay WillenpersonStar Wars Pinballgame

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: ToyShock released first-generation cabinet as market positioning exercise to establish 'first to market' status despite quality/technical limitations

    medium · Jared: 'they had a first run of the product done...they wanted to say that they were the first to the market. So they probably released their initial short run...for a positioning exercise.'

  • ?

    community_signal: ToyShock iterating hardware design (bezel, plunger assembly) directly in response to community feedback from Facebook/forum discussions

    high · Jared: 'they've taken feedback from the community there and improved that aspect, which is good because it needed to.' Shows manufacturer responsiveness to early adopter criticism.

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Pinball enthusiast community skeptical about digital plunger necessity; debate on social media about whether digital cabinets are 'real pinball' without physical plunger

    high · Chris: 'in the Arcade1Up Facebook page...people were debating at length...Oh, you know, it's not real pinball if it doesn't have a plunger.' Jared defends functionality: skill shots are achievable with digital plunger.

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Arcade1Up cabinet features diagonal bezel design that significantly reduces effective playfield viewing area compared to edge-to-edge displays

    high · Chris observed rotating prototype video; both hosts note trade-off between apparent 3D perspective and actual usable screen real estate. Chris hopes they 'take some feedback on board' before final release.

  • $

    market_signal: Digital pinball cabinet market heating up with competing offerings (ToyShock, Arcade1Up); both improving through iteration and community feedback; mainstream recognition growing

Transcript

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0:00
blockade pinball podcast this is the blockade pinball podcast i am your host chris freebus aka shut your trap and joining me as always halfway across the world jared morgan hey there Everybody.
0:26
Howdy, howdy, howdy. So we are now, obviously, officially into 2020, which were we last time? I don't know. I forget what day we broadcasted last time.
0:39
I think it was, no, it was in 2019 because I just released it on New Year's Eve. I remember. There you go. There's your answer. So, yay, first podcast of the new century. No, decade. The new decade. Decade. God, new century. Future!
0:57
Future. Days are hard. Yeah, right now, I mean, especially right now, days of the week for me just, I don't even know what day of the week is half the time anymore because of my schedule working over at the mouse's house. I work most weekends. I was working today.
1:17
And so my weekend doesn't typically happen until midweek. yeah and it must be really hard like as a essentially what is a casual worker or shift worker um it must be really hard to keep track of of time and and relative dimension in space i wish i had a tortoise yeah no it um well yeah because your shift is not always the same shift either i mean it's you know you your days of the week might be similar to what you're working but what time you go in. Like, I've been coming in at 7.30 in the morning the past couple of days. The week prior, everything was starting at 3, 4 o'clock in the afternoon. So, I mean, that's where it just really messes with your head. When does the park open? Is it really early? Oh, yeah.
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NBA Jamgame
NBA Fastbreakgame
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CES (Consumer Electronics Show)event
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high · Discussion of CES coverage, CNET interview, multiple product refinements, NBA Jam licensing news all point to digital pinball gaining mainstream attention in early 2020

  • $

    market_signal: NBA Jam licensing deal by Arcade1Up demonstrates feasibility of striking modern licensing agreements for 30+ year old IP; precedent for future pinball title licensing

    high · Chris: 'they're really pushing their NBA Jam cabinet...managed to strike a deal with the NBA, managed to strike a deal with players that were from 1991.' Discussed as pathway for NBA Fastbreak and other licensed digital titles.

  • ?

    community_signal: Chris employed at Disney Parks in cast member role; shift work schedule varies wildly (morning shifts vs afternoon shifts) making time management difficult

    high · Chris discusses 'Mouse's House' employment, varying shift times (7:30 AM vs 3-4 PM), Magic Hours cast preview access to Rise of the Resistance attraction

  • $

    market_signal: Arcade1Up targeting $500-700 price point ($600 confirmed in CNET interview) for feature-rich digital pinball cabinet with haptic feedback and proper bezel integration

    high · Chris cites multiple price points from different sources; CNET interview specifically mentioned $600. Notes potential cost-cutting on chrome trim for final production.

  • ?

    announcement: Arcade1Up officially announced digital pinball cabinet with Zen partnership; Star Wars confirmed as first title; Q3 2020 release window; ~10 tables expected at launch

    high · Multiple sources cited: CES reveal, box art, CNET interview. Chris notes 'news and leaks started trickling out' and they 'nailed some of it' with earlier speculation.

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Speculation about future Zen/Arcade1Up licensing partnerships; potential NBA Fastbreak digital pinball if licensing infrastructure can be shared

    low · Chris and Jared speculate: 'There's no reason to not think that Zen wouldn't go into a licensing partnership with 1UP' for NBA Fastbreak and Universal Monsters titles; explicitly framed as hopeful speculation

  • ?

    technology_signal: ToyShock first-generation cabinets lack Wi-Fi connectivity and cannot receive firmware/software updates; community reporting lag as persistent issue

    high · Chris: 'ToyShock have come clean and said, Yeah, look, we're looking into the lag issues'; Jared: 'first-gen version of something... you're an early adopter.' Lag affecting location play experience.

    • 2:06
    Like, 8 o'clock is the standard opening, but then they do these, like, they call them magic hours. So, it's like people that paid extra or they were staying in the hotel, maybe, they get to go in and out. Oh, yeah. Right. That makes sense because parks normally down here in Australia, I think they open around 10 or something like that, which is way too late. Like, if I was going to spend a day at a park, I would be leaving at 6 to get there at 7.30 for it to open for sure. Like, why wouldn't you?
    2:38
    Yeah, especially if you have the little kids because that's when they're going to be awake. Exactly. That's when they're going to be at their best. Yeah. Oh, and believe me, I've seen them at their worst. Oh, I bet you have. I bet you there's been some interesting photographs of those.
    2:54
    One thing that was pretty cool, they gave us a cast preview. So basically anybody that was working at Disneyland for the last couple of days and the next couple of days, we get to go ride the new Rise of the Resistance ride. Oh, cool.
    3:12
    And then it opens, it actually opens this week, midweek. but um sweet it is i bet you it's good it's pretty damn good yeah well here's the thing i i can break down a lot of times what the tricks are what you know what's going on what you know how something is playing with you and this ride because it kind of in three segments uh how it works but they really want you to forget that you are on a ride and there was right in the beginning there was this one little thing where i was like oh boy if they just i really hope they have us exiting that way because that's gonna make me go whoa and sure enough they had us going up that way and sure enough the door opened i went whoa So they've done some really cool things. That's pretty sweet. What they can do with... So I'd imagine the ride is more of a ghost train ride with roller coaster elements to it? No. No, it's more... It starts kind of like a walkthrough kind of ride. Ah, right. And then transition... The best way I can describe it, and I know this doesn't make sense to you, Jared, unless you've been to Disneyland at some point, but we have a ride called the Haunted Mansion and it starts with basically being a walkthrough ride that then you wind up getting into a vehicle and then that's what finishes the ride. Yeah, I've been on that when I went to Disneyland Paris. Okay. Okay, I didn't know they had that there. Yeah, so that's basically the equivalent of what you're talking about is that you're doing a little bit of a walkthrough and you're doing a little bit of a ride and when I say ride, think of like your, what they call a dark ride. Yeah. it's more on scale with that. But just all the in-between bits and everything that you do, and there's, like, actors everywhere being Imperial officers, and it's pretty cool. Yeah. That's pretty cool. I've seen, as an aside for the Imperial officers, just how much attention to detail that they've done in the park for the Disney, not for the Disney, for the Star Wars area. Like, you see the Imperial guards are clearly comedians because they're walking around and just taking the mickey out of everyone yeah you know yeah there's that famous one on twitter where the guy was like presented his lightsaber to one of the um the imperial guard escorts and i forget who it was i think it might have been um one of the characters from the later star wars yes hmm lightsaber interesting and then the guard walks up and says look if you're the last hope for the if there's a last hope for the resistance it is not you and keeps walking i think it's fantastic yeah well um i'm going to be very curious to see what the crowds are like though when it opens because i i suspect it's maybe kind of nuts of a line like three hour kind of wait maybe i'm sure it is yeah ah without a doubt well we discussed last time i think or in a couple of episodes ago that queuing and rides is part of the disneyland experience well right yeah unless you got a fast pass and even then you're probably still queuing right yeah pretty much even then and that's why we always joke that uh like if i'm shooting photographs at the main entrance it's hey welcome to your first line of many so um all right let's uh let's unpack some pinball let's unpack some pinball stuff we're gonna yeah we're gonna get right to it um so we did our whole speculation thing because we knew it would need to be timely um yeah when we found out that arcade one-up was doing a digital pinball but they hadn't announced with what with who uh we did our whole speculation thing that was wild fun we had a good time of it oh so good we love a good bit of speculation here on the blackhead pinball podcast yes we do uh so there you go folks if you have anything you would like us to speculate on uh throw it our way on email or twitters or anything or those of you that are watching us live on twitch uh post it in the comments because yes we do we do love a good bit of speculation um so yeah we had our fun and then all of a sudden news and leaks started trickling out and i'll be damned if we didn't nail some of it uh yeah in typical speculation style all speculation is usually pretty accurate yeah so here's here's the deal um yes arcade one up is making digital pinball uh three-quarter scale yes they partnered with zen good on you good choice yeah winning choice and it is going to have a seven inch full color lcd display this is what they say widescreen what's that as well widescreen seven inch lcd display according to the box art yeah um that being said the lcd display that is and this is for the dmd uh let's get that out there uh Backbox is going to be a Translight. Yes. In the case of Star Wars, it looks like you can change out the art, which is kind of cool. Pretty sweet, yeah. Not so after-sales tactic there from Arcade 1-Up. Or it'll just come with the stuff, you know, hey, throw this piece in. Oh, maybe. I mean, who knows. That'd be cool. But what I've seen the DMD is it's not a 4-to-1 scale DMD. It's a classic, I guess you would say, 16 by 9, 7-inch display, which then all the DMDs that I've seen on display means that it's all squished, which is not a good look. So that would be the first thing that I would say, hey, guys, how about letterboxing it? Yeah, letterboxing it. And, you know, there's a real, depending on what game you're playing, you could actually easily put some sort of marquee art around the letterbox display and Yeah, you don't have to show the whole display. No, no. It'd be easy to do. They just need to rescale, because that's exactly what ColorDMD is doing, I think. I don't think that they have just a DMD size monitor. I think it's a fuller size monitor that just sunk and fit into where your typical DMDs go. In the case of the Addams Family, they've even got the monitor like protruding below where the thing lights are and the monitor shines behind where each of the things like lamps are so they can actually map out a matrix of like what happens and where everything's positioned so yeah it's definitely like a full a full size display um behind there yeah so uh but there you go seven inch dmd uh translate for the back box i believe it's a 24 inch monitor uh for the playfield uh biggest difference between this and toy shock being that they sunk the monitor down and then it's a piece of acrylic over the top it's not glass it's acrylic and but that's going to give you kind of that looking into a pinball cabinet feel unlike a lot of your uh digital video pinball cabinets where the screen is right there on top um but now i've got some comments to make about that because i've been having a look at all the videos and all the photos that are floating around on the internet and i've seen it's a bit of a trick that that bezel trick that they've done because you know how the the toy shop one you know it's all up in your face like it's right there it's got a big black well it's gray and they're releasing iteration that will fix that more on that later um but the it's right there but the thing with arcade one up is it's still the same size monitor but it's as you say it's it's inset so you you actually still get a bezel it's important to realize that it's not an edge to edge cabinet fitting display the bezel is sort of like a a diagonal sort of shape floating in from the top of the cabinet down to where the the monitor is and it's it's definitely a bezel but it's a wait so you're you're talking about the front apron basically um no i'm talking about where the um the perspex is so where you're actually looking into the the pinball machine it's actually a bezel but it's it's got like diagonal sides on it so it's not an edge to edge display oh i okay i see what you say so from the top of the of the the the uh the bezel the lexan or the plexiglass, then the walls are coming in on the diagonal into the monitor itself. Correct. So it's not as good as you might think. And it's just worth noting that I hope that they design, because this thing, again, we'll talk about when this thing might be out, I hope they actually take some feedback on board and don't go with that approach because it's just not what people want. Yeah, the thing I noticed was that it has, you know, so where your palms are, so the apron, it's got a big area that's just solid, you can't see through. And then you've got the screen. But when you look at the screen, it's got the apron on it also. So it winds up being a much smaller full view of the playfield in that aspect. Yeah, it does. It does. It's an odd trick. it'll make it feel like you've got a better deal if you buy one and they don't make any changes before release but in reality just be aware unless my eyes were playing tricks on me and I don't think they were because there was a video where the prototype was actually rotating on a platform at the stand and at the point at which it stopped I went that's got a diagonal bezel what's going on here okay And this is clear to note also, everything that we saw very much a prototype. Not the final build at all. It looked official. It looked like it was ready to ship, but when you actually do a bit more digging, this is going to be a quarter three 2020 release. So, a while away yet. So, end of summer, fall, basically, hey, when Star Wars released on Switch.
    14:04
    Yes, correct. Which timing, interestingly enough, because Star Wars will be the first table out, as far as I'm aware of.
    14:15
    They keep on mentioning Star Wars quarter three. They haven't mentioned Bally Williams quarter three. No, that's true. There's been a lot of press on Star Wars, but you could play the build of Attack from Mars there, but there was no firm release date on that. yeah and for that matter I don't know there was no game selection ability there was no menu none of that it was just Attack from Mars ready to go that's right yeah it was very much and I've got a feeling it may have actually not been ah no I was going to say it may not have been the finalized hardware but that's incorrect because somebody I think it was Patrick Walton from the Facebook group Toy Shock Facebook group he was being a booth babe there for ToyShock and he was of course looking around at all the other products and said yeah I looked through the cabinet and there was definitely a board in there so it didn't look like a PC so it looks like they've gone the same approach as ToyShock did and actually floated their own design but that's interesting so early on in the piece like to actually cut a board you'd think that they'd actually wait a little bit closer to release to finalise what the actual architecture needs to be. I don't know. Well, again, it might be a prototype board. It's hard to say. The one video I watched when they were kind of peeking through the cracks of the back of the machine, they were like, yeah, this stuff is just like sticky taped on.
    15:39
    Yeah it pretty like hey look we got a cabinet which you know demonstrates everything And you know it may have been that the board that they saw in there was actually the Solanoid interface board because it worth noting that there proposed again There is haptic feedback. And this video I just watched, which was somebody playing, it was from CNET, and they were doing an interview with one of the guys from 1UP, and they had the Attack from Mars cabinet there, and they actually let the guy play Attack from Mars, so it was working. And he was commenting, he was like, oh, hey, this is great. I can feel things.
    16:18
    They kept on mentioning that there is some trick going on with the monitor, though. Oh. In terms of making a little bit of a... And this is where it's questionable because you never know whoever is reporting it. They might look and go, hey, that looks so 3D. But are we talking about head tracking 3D or just what we're used to seeing, and they're just kind of impressed in the fact that it doesn't look like a top-down 2D pinball. Yeah, like Space Cadet. Right. So that's why I want to get my hands on some of these, and I wish that I could have gone to CES. Yeah, I know, right? Where's our ticket to CES?
    16:58
    I don't know, Jared. We might have to actually, you know... We are technically able to get tickets to CES. All right. because of us doing podcasts, maybe next year I'll have to. Maybe. If it's worth a while going, because it's not cheap, right?
    17:19
    Well, no, the trip to Vegas, for me, driving to Vegas, that's not expensive. Staying in Vegas, that's expensive. That's expensive, yeah. I remember one year I went to CES and we literally drove there at night, got there at about midnight, slept in the car until, 7 in the morning when CES opened, went to CES for the day, and then drove home.
    17:45
    Yeah, that's no fun at all. Nope, not at all. No. Especially when you realize how big it is and how much walking you're doing.
    17:55
    Okay, other things to note. Adjustable legs. I'm not sure how they're adjusted. I mean, is it where you mount it on the cabinet itself that's making it adjustable or not? They've got adjustable feet. like a regular pinball machine, yeah.
    18:12
    It's less than five feet tall from the back box. So like we say, it's definitely three-quarter scale. It does have an accelerometer for nudging. Yes. So a lot of those things we were saying, hey, it would be nice if it had, it has. Again, solenoids, accelerometer,
    18:32
    a better back box display. interestingly enough they say it's a color LCD screen and when I saw one of the displays and I think it was for Star Wars the DMD looked like it had been colorized a bit but I haven't been able to get any information on is it in fact a custom color bit or is it just what Zen has done which if you play if anybody's ever played multiplayer each person playing can have a different colored dmd in terms of instead of everything be orange everything can be blue everything can be green you know so that might be what it is doing indicating who the player is interestingly that screen that was displayed like the the actual colorization of the screen looks suspiciously like scared stiff or right yeah it's suspiciously like Scared stiff. So that's interesting. So again, who knows where they're pulling this stuff? Because also in the pictures that I saw, the DMD looked correct. But then in the video I've seen, that's where it looks squished. Squished. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of Photoshop going on, I believe. Oh, there's plenty of Photoshopping happening at the moment. And CES isn't, like in the case of Toy Shock, they had a product you can, well, they had a first run of the product done. And when you look back at it now with 2020 Vision, you know why they did it. It's because they wanted to say that they were the first to the market. So they probably released their initial short run of the toy shop cabinet for a positioning exercise. They wanted to be out there.
    20:21
    Correct, especially if you're dealing with a product that... Again, I haven't got my hands on it, so I can't call it an inferior product. No. But you're dealing with a product that I like to refer to it as Transformers versus GoBots. Yes, GoBots were on the market first, but everybody realized that they were not the same thing as Transformers.
    20:45
    That's right. The other thing, too, is that there are more and more people that are going onto the Toy Shock fan page. There seems to be more and more now a common thread of lag is a problem. and they've actually addressed that. Like, Toy Shock have come clean and said, yeah, look, we're looking into the lag issues and Farsight's actually working on a way to fix that up. Now, the interesting thing is that that cabinet is not Wi-Fi enabled. So the Toy Shock cabinet in its current form. So for those people who jumped on early and forked over their clams, are they stuck with what is essentially an isolated product that's not going to get any updates or, you know, what's going to happen there? You're dealing with the first-gen version of something. Very much. When you're an early adopter, you're an early adopter.
    21:36
    Yeah, that's right. It's one of those things, I guess, isn't it? Yeah. Okay, something that wasn't on the cabinet. No plunger.
    21:46
    Yep, zero plunger. And boy, in the RK1UP Facebook page, because I decided to join another Facebook page, Chris. it's the arcade one up scare quote official page on Facebook and you know people were debating at length and this has been happening in the toy shop page as well because there's cross pollination between this information everyone's excited you know they were saying oh you know it's not real pinball if it doesn't have a plunger you know you can't even you know control the some people were suggesting you know with digital plunger you couldn't even control the depth of the plunge anyhow and I go well that's not right so So nice idea there, mate, but no, that's actually incorrect.
    22:27
    Even on the toy shot cabinet, you can actually make skill shots consistently with that plunger, even the first iteration. That's the other thing they did with the next iteration with the black bezel that they've showed at CES. They actually have what looks like a different plunger assembly on it, so they've taken feedback from the community there and improved that aspect, which is good because it needed to. It's very toy-like.
    22:51
    Yes. So, we're going to get into the Toy Shock stuff, because Jared keeps on dropping little nuggets.
    22:59
    For comparative interest purposes, but we'll get into some of those details. Here's the deal. Asked right here by the Ghost Throne, what is the price of the cabinet?
    23:13
    We have heard $500 to $700. In the CNET video I watched, the guy specifically said $600. so i you know it might vary i don't know it it's going to depend i think the vision of it's yeah um waiting for that build materials to be finalized right um because especially since if you look at the two cabinets that they built they put chrome pieces everywhere even on the back of the cabinet and i suspect when push comes to shove there ain't gonna be no chrome on the back of the cabinet. No, not in the back. There's no point in having it there. Not even real pinball machines do that. No. So there's going to be some build cost cutting going on there. They did mention when talking about Attack from Mars he said there's going to be probably about 10 tables included.
    24:09
    So there we go again with my idea of, hey, how about including all the games that only use a launch button anyway? Which is heaps. Which is, of the DMDs, there's a lot. And then when you make your next set of cabinets, do it all with the ones that use just the plunger. And then you don't include the launch button, because it's not necessary. I mean, you can do it. Exactly. Easy. The thing is, with Toy Shock, all the games required a plunger to launch. Correct. So they had to do a plunger. And inevitably, when Zen gets around to doing all the pre-DMD tables, every single one of those is a plunger. Yeah, that's right. And I've seen people say, oh, well, hey, I can do the digital plunger on Zen tables. Yeah, you hold the button down and it goes down. But good luck getting some accuracy because that thing goes fast. It does. You're right. It's very fast. Yeah. So that's one of those things where it's not going to cost much. Again, with my minicab there, the opto sensor, the IR sensor for doing the plunger on there, because as you can see, I have an actual plunger.
    25:32
    I think it was... A real one, too. Yes, I think it was $12 for that, and that's a Williams plunger, actual real Williams plunger. Those can be probably $20, $25, I think, brand new. But you don't need to put an actual Williams plunger in there. They can build their own. And if you're making them en masse, it's going to be much, much, much, much, much, much, much cheaper.
    25:56
    It's cheap. Yeah. So the economy of scale, that's what's going to be going into this. what I really liked about the cabinet though what they did with it was they even made a fake coin door which I really wanted to put online eventually I'll get a fake coin door on there but yeah they put a fake false front for the coin door and that's pretty cool and that's where some of the button interfaces are on the front which is the right place to put it really it makes sense it really makes sense so with Star Wars again if they put 10 tables hey they've got, what, 19 tables available. We all suspect that there's going to be yet another Star Wars table coming out. So, wouldn't that be cool if you could have two Star Wars pinball cabinets side by side?
    26:45
    Pretty cool. That would be. And then throw in, you know, another Zen table right next to that, which would be your Attack from Mars style.
    26:55
    No, I think these are going to be a big hit, and it's only a matter of time before they've i mean it won't even be a week before somebody mods the hell out of it and throws a pc in there well exactly right like i can see steam boxes going in there pretty quickly as long as they can work out how they interface with the haptic elements um and the dmd like they can get that down if they don't tightly couple that into the main board they should be fine yeah um so uh hold on hold on i i'm seeing something here jay will and you're saying hello guess what pinball related arrived in the post this week? I don't know. What did arrive? Do tell. Let me guess. It's four-shot cabinets. And then Ghostro says now we need a Zachary cabinet as well. I agree. Hop in there, Zachary. I totally do. Apparently, you know, I don't think we're going to hear the last of pinball in 2020 with these physical table manufacturers. I think there's going to be a lot more discussion happening. Absolutely.
    28:00
    I, it definitely kills me seeing, because I can't afford one of these right now, so we need to sell a whole lot more t-shirts right there, Jared. Yeah, it's going to shoot.
    28:14
    And, you know, the, because $600 with all that stuff, and if it's looking cool, that'll be pretty awesome. But you know what I would want is, I want to wait for the old Addams Family cabinet. I don't really care it could be for me if I was buying one it could just be a generic cabinet I would not care it's what goes on under the glass Chris that matters oh ok so Jay Willen is saying that his blockade mug arrived yes folks he contributed which was hey thank you so much dude every little penny your coffee will taste awesome now Hold on, I've got somebody peeking in. Yes. Oh, okay, fine.
    29:08
    We all have our interruptions today. Right? Yeah, we both have doors going to our office and kids like to poke their heads through them. Yes.
    29:16
    Let's go into a little bit of one-up arcade speculation, though, here. Yep. And that happens to be the fact that they're really pushing their NBA Jam cabinet.
    29:31
    Yeah, they love it. All right. Like, it's been all over the news. Like, you see, like, that same video I think you've watched with the pinball cabinet in it had a very extended slot about their NBA Jam stuff. Yes. Cool. So, thing to note, that means Arcade 1-Up managed to strike a deal with the NBA, managed to strike a deal with players that were from 1991.
    29:57
    So, old players association. I hear that there might be some players that aren't going to be in the game, but so long as you have the majority of them, that's cool. You're still dealing with teams and their logos and everything official NBA, to which I say, bring on NBA Fastbreak.
    30:17
    That's right. It's a precedent. Here's the thing. There's no reason to not think that Xen wouldn't go into a licensing partnership with 1UP.
    30:29
    Well, they've essentially done that now, haven't they, really? Yeah, I mean, they've done it in terms of sharing what Xen has already paid for with Arcade 1UP. But it's a reciprocal, in other words. What's that?
    30:45
    You're saying it needs to be the other way around. so what i'm saying is though we're because we're now into licensed dnd territory which is obviously going to cost more so if you've got a partner of this nature uh you can easily pull your funds together and help on that front but more to the point if arcade one-up has already struck a deal with the NBA, from the almost near same era as NBA Fast Break, it goes to show that, hey, if they can strike it up, hey, how about have our lawyers talk to your lawyers who talk to their lawyers and just go, hey, we got one other. Can we throw that in too? And they go yep sure boom make it happen So I wouldn be surprised if that kind of goes forward based off of I mean, I can't imagine this not being a success for them with the pinball cabinet when they first do their release.
    31:47
    And, you know, Arcade 1-Up already had a deal with Star Wars, obviously, for doing their cabinet there. And then you've got the Star Wars coming from Xen. So, again, you're melding positions here. I think it could benefit both of them in the long run. I think it could benefit from them, but I'll put my realistic hat on and say it probably won't. They probably won't do what you're suggesting, but it would be nice if they did.
    32:13
    Licensing between companies, sharing licenses for intellectual property between two businesses, that can't be an easy thing to broker.
    32:22
    Even though you say you could do it, it sounds like it's hard. Well, again, maybe I'm less concerned with them pooling their money together and more about pooling their contacts together.
    32:34
    So you think it might be Xen would still have to enter into the deal, but they'd at least have all that, the path grazed, essentially. In other words, it's what we had hoped for was going to happen between Farsight and Stern, with Stern having the digital license rights already built into whoever they licensed a pinball machine for. Farsight still would have to have paid that money, but they no longer have to track down all the individual parties that went into that license. It's just, hey, Stern already did the work. Here's our money. Boom, it's good to go. So the same thing would apply here, where it's, you know, if Zen is bringing a license table. So in this instance, think about the Universal Monsters, right? All of a sudden, one of them says, hey, we want to produce a cabinet with that. zen goes well hey here's our contact with universal we've already struck the deal all you have to do is pay an additional fee to be able to package it in this way but you don't have to talk to universal talk to whoever created each of the monsters you know any of that business it's all a nice wrapped up the runway is laid essentially it's just you need to sort of add a few extra wheels to the plane exactly so in this case it'd be zen going hey you guys already struck a deal with the NBA, can we talk to your contact that made that happen and maybe we can just slide right in and also pay our fee and Bob's your uncle. It's all good. Yeah, exactly. That would be pretty cool. That's what I'd be kind of hoping for. So there's my minor bit of speculation.
    34:11
    Let's see what happens with that. Yeah. Okay, let's go over to the Toy Shock side of things. As Jared has mentioned and on display in their booth. They took away the bright silver bezel, replaced it with what looks like a textured black and grey bezel.
    34:32
    They also like he said were working on the plunger doing a better plunger and they're working on their lag issue so that that's not going to be so much a thing. They were displaying more cabinet art choices that they're going to have out there. So they had Class of 1812, Black Hole, and Haunted House, of course. I know there was one other. Do you remember what the other one was?
    34:57
    I think they had four machines out there. Yeah. I can't remember the last one. I think it was Black Hole. There was 1812.
    35:12
    Haunted House, for sure. Oh, Bone Busters! Bone Busters was the other one. Yeah. They had their own announcements, though, for what is next.
    35:25
    So basically what you're talking about is, remember those other 10 or other 12 Gottliebs that we said were left? And they were mostly DMD and then, of course, some EM? Well, they're coming out with their own LCD screen. It ain't 7-inch, it's 14 inches. 14-inch LCD. Yes. That's colossal. That's huge. Colossal. But you know what it'll play well with? That way they can do reels for those EMs. They can do reels. Yeah, that's true. So they can animate reels and do full DMD then.
    36:04
    And for those more advanced, like the other alphanumerics that are left on the table, because there are a few left, I think. Correct. Yeah, there are one or two. Like, they'll actually be able to properly render those displays, just like Farsight have done with the HUD, and render those actually, rather than actually displaying them on displays, like LED displays like they have. So that might actually help as well.
    36:31
    Yeah. Make it a bit more universally attractive. It might mean that they can actually, like, in iteration two of the cabinet, they might be able to have DMDs and ELF numerics alongside each other, just like they have in the Pimble arcade. uh no word on at least i didn't hear word on when those were going to be coming out uh coincidentally quarter three quarter three 2020 yeah somebody's gonna have a uh a good time looking under their christmas tree i imagine next year i would think so yeah apparently toy shock was saying uh in the in the facebook group there's a a person by the name of linda fork there uh and i I think they're actually, Linda is part of the official Toy Shock team, if my understanding is correct. So she was saying that generally at CES, people place orders for these things now. So she said these are ready to go as far as they're concerned. They're ready to actually place orders for. So what that means, what that suggests to me is that the bill of materials has been finalized and they are now at the point where they can actually produce and get them ready for whenever the client wants them. So that says to me that what you saw on the floor is pretty much what the next iteration will be for now until we see those DMDs coming out later on in the year. But they also said that it's funny to see what the community is talking about now versus the runway they've already laid out and where they're going to with these digital products. They said, you know, we're already well ahead where we're telling you now. So it's interesting to see what is coming out from the community based on what we're doing. So it's very interesting to see how the runway works with these sort of physical products.
    38:23
    Yeah, because it's not just, oh, you wanted this? Okay, slap together and a month later, there it goes. It doesn't work that way. No, there's a lot of extra complexity that is involved with producing a physical product. So, you know. My question is, how is Toy Shock going to respond to 1UP's entry, and are they going to respond in kind? In other words, are they going to put in an accelerometer rather than having button nudging? Are they going to maybe sync their playfield down? You know, who knows? We'll see what comes of it. I would strongly suggest that they would at least have accelerometer nudging in it. that's just a logical choice.
    39:06
    So, yeah, that would be definitely included. I think my personal feeling is Toy Chalk is going to be going on price rather than features, whereas I think RK1UP will be looking at features over price. So I think they're going to be offering more of a premium entry-level product into the market versus something that is an easy decision for people to make to put on their Christmas tree. correct uh it does make me want to circle back around to the wi-fi uh thing that's going to be an arcade one-ups offering uh that's a big confirmed differentiator it is a differentiator but i think people are confused as to what it's going to be and i'm going to base this off of what they said that they because it is going to be inside of uh nba jam and the whole point of it is for NBA Jam purposes,
    40:01
    leaderboards, and being able to play with somebody across the country, having them basically push player two and join your game. In the case of pinball, I think it's going to be definitely for leaderboard purposes and for updates to the tables, anything that gets updated by Zen, but it is not going to be for additional tables. No, I don't think so. like the on the box on the mock-up box um boxes on display at cs they did make strong mention of the fact that you know there would be wi-fi but um it was for game game they said game updates were specifically stated on the box um and that doesn't mean they didn't say anything about dlc or downloadable content um so yeah i think what you get on the box is the basically Think of it like going and buying the Wii version of Pinball Arcade. You get those tables on it, and that's it. And again, Arcade 1-Up is a hardware company, not a software company. They want to sell their hardware. They could care less about how much software you're necessarily getting. Space is not their concern. It's your concern.
    41:20
    That's right. So whereas Zen, being a software company, yes, they want to pump their software. So I'm a bit surprised at the fact that they're going to offer 10 tables. That's more than I suspected. Way more than I would have suspected too, but it makes sense.
    41:37
    Because look at the other competitors in the market, like AtGames and their arcade offerings. They included a whole lot more games on their Legends cabinet than either of the other manufacturers. And that's definitely made it more popular for them. So, you know, I don't think the IK1Up cabinet would have been able to compete in the same market as the Toy Shock cabinet with purely only offering a couple of tables versus the full set that Toy Shock is offering. so for me when i saw the toy shock offering it kind of made me chuckle and i kind of went hey at least it's better than my as we said those lame plastic pinball machines that uh were toy offerings for 150 200 bucks that you just kind of went what a piece of crap that you're not going to play more than a half an hour and it's going to go into the rubbish heap um so it was better but i was still just kind of like eh but now i feel like hey we've got competition going on Competition is a good thing for us, the players. For the consumer, yeah, absolutely. It means that people are a little bit more hungrier when they're actually producing their products for us.
    42:53
    Yeah, so there's where I would say, hey, even with the Orchid 1-Up, buyer beware for that first edition.
    43:02
    You're an early adopter. As much as it may be attractive, I don't know if I'd be jumping on that bandwagon just yet because arcade one up have a history of rapidly iterating on their products they did it with all their cabinets because they had the same problems with toy shop when they produced them initially with their arcade cabinets they had some problems and you know I think they had problems with the buttons and stuff like that in the second iteration they fixed it all up and it was great so yeah definitely buy it beware I think you're right there Chris did you happen to watch uh just as a side note not pinball related but still arcade one-up related did you see some of the other products that they were uh offering they were kind of it made me chuckle with it i was like you know what that's kind of cool um things like the giant the giant joystick oh yeah that thing yeah so it's basically like a three foot tall joystick and they had one that looked like the old Atari joystick for playing Atari games and then one that looked like it had a Pac-Man head on it and all of these are going to plug and play to your TV not with wires, it's a wireless HDMI kind of deal I think.
    44:20
    Like a Chromecast essentially. Yeah, essentially, right. But I was like, that's kind of cool, I dig on that.
    44:28
    It's ridiculous but it's great. it's fun i mean you you can't argue with it being fun uh the other thing that i saw that was kind of cool i mean we've seen these little atari mini things i mean i have one that it's a bunch of atari games inside of the atari joystick you just plug the thing into your tv and you can go ahead and play well the one that they were showing off it was little tiny atari joysticks connected to a little tiny tv that was one of the old console style tvs so you're like wood and the screen's really small but the rest of the cabinet is gigantic. And I was just like, that's very funny. Yep. This is the thing.
    45:12
    Clearly the arcade one-up market is for people who... There seems to be a split. There are people who they just want to have fun with some video games and then there are people who, hey, I want to dedicate floor space to this.
    45:26
    Right. And it's interesting how they split the market. There was that other one that was like a little teeny tiny arcade cabinet with teeny tiny controls. Right, which was a throwback to... To Coleco. Coleco used to make them. You don't know how badly I wanted the Donkey Kong one when I was a kid. Oh, yeah? I mean, just froth at the mouth wanting that thing. Yeah, right. So it was interesting because I thought, well, how come they didn't... You know, there's that other company that... Do I even have it? Oh, yeah, here we go.
    45:59
    that made this little, these little cabinets, right? That are full-on reproductions of the arcade game, and it's an LCD screen that you play, and the joystick works and everything.
    46:17
    And here, I'll even turn it on. I'll even turn it on so people can see. We've got a similar thing. We've got a game, a place called Typo here in Australia. Yeah. and you can go and buy these 101 little mini arcade cabinets like that. So I was kind of surprised that 1UP wasn't making it accurate, but then when they said, hey, we're trying to duplicate what Coleco did, I went, okay, you got it.
    46:45
    And this is the thing, they're smart. They're actually going, this taps into people's nostalgia, and that alone will force people to buy stuff. Yeah, there's a certain whimsy to it. To give it the right price. They go, show up and take my money. Well, they're saying that's their sub-$50 market right there. So it's like sub-$50 for that. I think they said it's $100 for the giant joysticks, and then obviously the prices go up from there for your arcade cabinets. Yeah.
    47:15
    What we haven gotten answered in terms of Zen is are these going to be the enhanced versions or is it going to be strictly straight up williams pinball with williams physics i mean i don know what physics is it's going to include i don't know what graphics it's going to include um we haven't got an answer on that at all i know would suspect that it's going to be uh non-enhanced visuals with Williams physics. That's what I would suspect.
    47:51
    Yeah, I think so. I think that's probably fairly accurate as well. Because if they're going to go for the trying to make it as accurate to the real thing as possible market, which is, I think, what all these games are doing, then that's what you're going to do. The minute you throw in the other stuff...
    48:10
    People are going to go, oh, fantasy pinball. They're already doing it now. Right. Even before the things release again. oh, you know, I'm not a really big fan of Zens, you know, like fantasy pinball, you know, stuff. Just give me the Williams pinball stuff, you know. It's funny over on pin side, because this is where I was getting a lot of my information to begin with. People are like, well, it's still just digital pinball. I'd rather play a real pinball. It's like, well, yeah, who wouldn't? But I'm sorry, one cabinet of pinball doesn't play 10 other pinball games. As we painfully know, Chris. Right. And more to the point, as somebody was going, well, this is, people were saying it's probably going to be a gateway to real pinball. And I'd be like, oh, well, no way, because $500, that's a far cry from $5,000 for a real new one box. And then other people are going, oh, well, for $500, you can get a pinball machine. I'm like, really? Where? Yeah, please show me these $500 pinball machines of which you suggest are available. I mean, granted, the two I own were about that price. but um yeah they required some work and that's the thing people aren't going to do that if they just want to go and i want a pinball machine for 500 they expect that thing to be working yeah you know yeah yeah and that's not gonna be the case and in terms of the is it a gateway drug uh every single one of us that's been on digital pinball fans that now owns a pinball machine can attest to the fact that can confirm that that is indeed the case yes yeah the first It is always free.
    49:38
    All right. So anyway, that's all the information that we know about these two products. And yeah, obviously, it's going to be a much longer wait than I initially suspected. I was thinking, oh, they're announcing a CES. That means it's going to be out in a month. No, not going to be. No, that's also surprised me as well. I thought, oh, wow, okay. That's a slow burn in that case. but it seems interesting because zen did announce it like unlike farsight who sat on the news for like two months before they actually even mentioned it in a newsletter but zen was like as soon as the new year came around said hey by the way we you know that thing about you know being wild in 2020 here's a new pinball offering that we're going to be doing with one up yeah zen's going to promote the hell out of this no doubt about it it's like why wouldn't you it's it's great but they did say in the comments that it's like, you know, in effect, even the press release suggested that, you know, there's some yet-to-be-announced big names in pinball or something like that happening with the cabinet. Yeah, well, I think you and I both know what that means, Chris.
    50:48
    Right? Yeah. So, fear not, folks. I've already sent off my emails. We're trying to make contact with Arcade1Up, trying to see if we can get some direct news directly from them given to us and more to the point, hopefully at some point, maybe we can get one of their individuals to come onto the podcast and then we can ask you a whole host of questions. Expect that close. It's maybe quarter to. Exactly, right? Yeah, because I was like hopping on and thinking, oh, we need to talk to them now. It's going to be a little while, but we're working on that. We'll try and make that happen. We'll get them on the show because it's basically like the equivalent in product years of five years away, even though it's going to be released this year. Like, it's that far out at the moment. It's not even worth talking about it from what might be in this thing. So, yeah, let's cool the jets and wait for a little bit later. All right, so there you go. That's all the information that we have on that. I want to throw this little piece of information out there because we had somebody inquire on our YouTube channel in one of the... I don't even know if it was... I don't even know if it was a Blockade podcast or just one of my how-to guides on one of the games. But basically the question was, hey, I'm brand new to the Williams app, and how do I get parts most efficiently? Or is there a guide was the better question, to which I said, hey, I used to have one, and then everything changed, and so it doesn't really apply that well. anymore um that's right but my response was basically these are the quick things to know a it's going to take you three to four months to make much progress at all uh that being said you're going to also have to be playing daily you're going to have to probably go through at least two cycles um per day per day on all four challenges uh just to make any headway whatsoever you are also, like right now it might be ending real soon but they just had another limited time event. The purpose of these limited time events is to get you table parts for an isolated chunk of tables so three tables was all that they were dishing out parts for basically so you can quickly get to at least two stars on all the tables. Because the advantage is, once you get to two stars you can play those tables Offline No, you still have to play online, don't you? I think offline is on They de-scoped it from 3 to 2 I think, haven't they? I just know that you cannot play the table As a 3-ball regular table Until you've unlocked it at 2 stars Oh, that's right, yeah But anyway, that's the whole point Is getting to 2 stars so you can just play it When you want And then it's a matter of also So just come into it with the frame of mind that the challenges are challenges. You're playing a mobile app game. If you go into it playing it that way, you're not going to be so frustrated with the grinding. If you go into it thinking that you're just getting a mobile version of what is on the console or what is on Steam, that's completely the wrong mindset to go into it with. you're not going to have a good time there because again it's going to take a couple of months not a couple more than a few months to even get your first three tables unlocked basically you know completely forced or unlocked and in that case you may as well just spend your money and unlock them with the offer that gets presented to you in the app because i got that 16 table unlocked deal now for like 50 bucks oh do they i didn't know that because that's not appearing since i've already unlocked the table so i didn't know that there was yeah so when when i logged on to the thing, like when they released the last batch of tables, hey look, one time offer, limited you know, you unlock all 16 tables two star, so look, that essentially gives you what Pinball Arcade was giving you well no, but if it's only getting you to two star, that's still not unlocking pro difficulty, pro physics it's not, but you can still play them offline exactly the same as you did with Pinball Arcade and without the pro mode like you had with Pinball Arcade so, okay, I was just going to say because getting each of the tables to two stars is not terribly difficult. You can grind that out relatively quickly.
    55:17
    Over four months. I would be surprised. I don't think it's going to take four months to get to two stars. You're literally, it's 20 table parts in total that you need per table. Per table. That's a lot of table parts spread across 16 tables.
    55:34
    That's true. The numbers are... Yeah. The numbers are big now. So, you know, if you want to reset your baseline, and this is going to be the problem with people who find out about this app, the longer you wait, the more expensive it is going to become for you to actually get the baseline set.
    55:53
    So, you know, as you start to, you know, if you want to, like, get in on the pack now, it'll be 16 tables, it'll be $50. You know, the next time they release tables, it'll be, let's say, 19 tables at $56. The longer you wait, the more money you're going to have to fork over initially to get the tables unlocked so you can play them just regularly. I keep on just going back to the one other online or mobile game that I play a lot of, which is that Clash Royale. I've only, after two and a half years of playing, I've only just now gotten to the point of starting to max out cards not the ones that I actually play because I made an effort to max those out but now just random cards I'm not getting to the point where I'm like oh hey I just maxed that one out you know if you're patient and you don't feel like spending money it will happen, it's just you've got to be patient well that's the thing if you're patient then yeah, go ahead spend your four or five months and play it every day two rounds of it every day like two reset rounds every day and you'll get there. But, you know, honestly, I think if that's not interesting to you, go and spend $250 on a Switch Lite and go and play it like that. Literally, it's going to be a much better experience. Much better experience. Absolutely. Much better experience. And you get access to all the other cool stuff that's on Switch. Although, strangely enough, though, I've been looking at, like, the Facebook marketplace. I presume they have that over in America as well, where it's essentially like craigslist craigslist on facebook um and i think it's in in competition with um gumtree which has different names all over the world but in australia it's called gumtree which is like craigslist as well and the i i've been looking at all the listings for nintendo stuff because of course i've got like 3ds consoles now and um because you've got nintendo facebook throws you up all this other stuff and switches are coming up a lot and you know a lot of people who buy the switch lights are going oh look we don't need this anymore i bought a switch like proper switch so right they spend the 250 uh this which is what the retail cost of one of these is in australia a 250 australian and then they go no i should really just go and like spend the the 400 australian and get the proper switch which everything that the switch brings so again it's a very clever move by um nintendo definitely a gateway drug they get you into the ecosystem they show you how cool the switch is and they say oh by the way all these things over here you can do it you know yeah so uh speaking of gateway drugs this will be my uh our final bit before we go um thank you to everybody that uh gave me tips and tricks on how to get the back glass appearing on my second monitor. Oh, yes.
    58:57
    I got it up, and my immediate response was, ah, because now the DMD is just on top of the back glass. If only there was, like, you know, somebody did the speaker grill version, and then all of a sudden I got notification, hey, it's right here. I'm like, oh, hey, that's fantastic. So, yes, indeed, now I've got speaker grill versions for all the Williams Valley tables. interestingly enough it turns out that where they placed the DMD was not consistent every single time it would go up a little higher that's okay so I just made a slightly larger DMD to just slap over that and I'm all happy on that end there was only two that didn't I was basically downloading the unstretched version there was two that the unstretched link was completely broken one was I want to say it was Tales of the Arabian Knight and the other one, now I'm going to blank and I can't remember, but anyway, two of them were down, which kind of was a bummer. But that made me then want hey, where's the Zen back glasses with a generic speaker grill DMD placement? Because I would love that and I don't have Photoshop. So, if anybody out there wants to whip up the generic speaker grill bottom with the DMD placement with the Zen back glasses over the top of it just like they did for the Williams and Bally back glasses I'd be happy because I don't have those Photoshop skills so I'm just throwing that out there because you guys came through last time maybe you can come through a second time yeah help Chris out get his pinball not pinball cabinet sorted out not my faux cabinet it's um what i think the best way to describe what you have going on there with uh the digital pinball cabinet is a deconstructed pinball cabinet yeah there you go it's it's uh floating screen non-cabinet cabinet yeah that's right it's a it's deconstructed pinball yeah okay i'll accept that um all right folks uh we're gonna call it a day here and uh if we're not back next week we'll be back the week after that we'll see what happens in the pinball news we're kind of uh playing it loose and shaky that way uh also depending on my schedule yeah and you know we i think it's working well because when we come on we have a really meaty episode to talk about rather than just filling it with fluff and you know everyone likes a bit of fluff here and there but you know there was a point at which you know we were fluffing it a fair bit between episodes so you know yeah oh i'm being told that you will corral paint shop pro costs like you know 12 pounds uh that's all peachy but here's the other thing i don't want to do it yeah that's just my excuse but i don't want to do it myself i want somebody else to do it for me thank you um you know instead of where the williams logo goes just put a cool little chromed-out Zen logo. That would be awesome, right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, there are people out there with better skills than us which can do it far quicker than us. And at the moment, it's economy of scale. Like, almost we would go, hey, look, if it's like Fiverr.com, here's a Fiverr, and let's just do it. You know, here you go. Right. All right. Take my five. So, anyway, that's the schedule. Hey, make sure you check out our Twitter feed there and say hello. Sign up for that if you haven't already. Obviously, we appreciate it when you subscribe to the Twitch feed and also to our YouTube channel. That's rather special. Make sure you check out the website, which is blockadepinball.com slash episodes. And I don't know, Jared. We got anything more? What's coming up next?
    62:55
    I think probably coming up next time we meet will be some stuff and things. That's what seems to come up every week. All right. Yeah.
    63:05
    Until then, folks, bye-bye. See you later.