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Episode 29 – An Unexpected Sale

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Feb 2, 2017
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt Ep29: Jetsons/Predator 2 news, litigation update, tournament circuit changes, design philosophy debate.

Summary

Slam Tilt Podcast Episode 29 covers recent pinball industry news including new game announcements (Jetsons, Predator 2), ongoing litigation involving a manufacturer, tournament circuit updates, and extended discussion of game design philosophy comparing playfield quality versus rules depth. Hosts Ron Hallad and Bruce Nightingale also discuss restoration projects and community resources for pinball repair.

Key Claims

  • Keith Elwin removed all gameplay videos of Archer from his YouTube channel after joining Stern

    high confidence · Ron mentions discovering this while researching, notes only early whitewood and component showcase videos remain

  • The Papa Circuit expanded to include 8 major tournaments for 2017-2018, including newly promoted events like The 24 Hour and Buffalo Pinball Open

    high confidence · Ron cites announcement from Douglas Polka with specific list of majors vs minors

  • Jetsons pinball has a stripped-down playfield similar to mid-1980s games

    medium confidence · Bruce observes the playfield design in discussion of newly announced game

  • Pinball Resource flipper rebuild kits have thicker/wider switch stacks than original equipment, requiring modification to fit properly

    high confidence · Ron detailed technical observation from personal Harlem Globetrotters restoration work

  • A manufacturer defendant was compelled to produce a detailed financial ledger by February 21st showing all money in and out

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce discuss court-ordered documentation regarding litigation case

Notable Quotes

  • “Jetsons came out...it's another one of those, it's kind of like the Domino's game in that they're making it for someone else...and man, does it have one stripped down playfield.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ early in episode — Observation about new Jetsons game and manufacturing model similar to branded/licensed games

  • “When Keith Elwin went to Stern, he pulled a lot of his Archer videos from his channel...all of the gameplay ones, they're all pulled.”

    Ron Hallad @ mid-episode news segment — Potential indicator of IP/confidentiality restrictions or manufacturer policy on content

  • “Don't prepay. No pre-orders. Yes. Unless it's for Dialed In.”

    Ron Hallad @ litigation discussion — Community advice regarding manufacturer prepayment risk, with exception for highly anticipated titles

  • “I think he's headed down a dark road and I think he's going to have a boyfriend named Bubba soon.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ litigation discussion — Commentary on defendant's legal troubles and financial accountability

  • “The Bakelite discs...it was Bakelite, blade, two Bakelites, blade, Bakelite. Like, it was wider. It was thicker.”

    Ron Hallad @ repairs segment — Technical detail about flipper switch compatibility issues with aftermarket parts

Entities

Ron HalladpersonBruce NightingalepersonKeith ElwinpersonDouglas PolkapersonZach SharpepersonKevin KulikpersonScottpersonClay Harrellperson

Signals

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    announcement: Jetsons pinball game officially announced with new artwork and theme integration

    high · Ron and Bruce discuss new Jetsons game with specific playfield observations and design criticism

  • ?

    announcement: Predator 2 pinball game announced as licensed IP adaptation

    high · Hosts discuss Predator 2 announcement in news segment with film and casting references

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    competitive_signal: Papa Circuit expanded to 8 major tournaments for 2017-2018, including newly promoted events; clear tier system with point multiplier differences (1.5x vs 1.0x)

    high · Douglas Polka announced major vs minor tournament designations with specific event list

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    product_concern: Pinball Resource flipper rebuild kits feature thicker/wider switch stacks than original equipment, requiring manual modification to achieve proper fit and adjustment

    high · Ron detailed technical analysis of Bakelite disc layering and switch thickness mismatches during Harlem Globetrotters restoration

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    design_philosophy: Community debate about design priorities: modern games with poor rules (24) vs games with good rules but poor playfield layout (High Roller Casino, Teed Off). Hosts discuss tension between accessibility/fun and rules depth

    high · Extended mailbag discussion comparing 24, Roller Games, Teed Off, Avengers, NBA Fast Break across design dimensions

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Transcript

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0:00
Now, I'd like you boys to look at these drawings and tell me what you see. What? Uh, it's like this dude and he's, uh, you know, auditioning his finger puppets. Yeah, yeah, he's shining his helmet.
0:30
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, a show about all things pinball. I'm your host Ron Hallad, here with my co-host Bruce Nightingale. Live and let die. Bye. Live and let die. And welcome to episode 29, Live and Let Die. Roger Moore's debut! And the most famous Bond girl. Or if you talk about going on to fame later, I guess, yeah. Yep. That'd be Jane Seymour. That's very famous. And probably best song. Best song, definitely. Best song. Worst, honestly it's the worst James Bond movie though, for Roger Moore. Worse shit? No. Okay, we can immediately go to the mailbag here, folks. Correct him. View to a Kill is way worse than this movie. I actually like View to a Kill. Oh, God. That's my second favorite theme song, too. Well, yes. I'll give you the theme song. But, yeah, he's so old in that. We haven't got to that one yet. No, we got a while. We got a while. But that, yeah. He was actually old in this one. Older. Yeah. Yeah, he was the oldest starting Bond. Yes, he was the oldest starting Bond. Yes, he was. So what's been going on in the pin world? Let's go to News of the Week. Pigs in Space! We got a new game. We got a new game. I called it. Didn't I? Kind of. Kind of. I called it his next game. No, I said what game will they be debuting? And you said it was going to be Jetsons. Well, you'll see it there actually too. You'll see it there. But no, Jetsons came out. I like the theme. I love the artwork. Da-na-da-na. Meet George Jetson. Da-na-da-na. Jane, his wife. I want to do daughter Judy. I'm more partial to Jetscreamer myself. Oh yes. Oh, bye. Yeah, and it's another one of those, it's kind of like the Domino's game in that they're making it for someone else. Yes. And man, does it have one stripped down playfield. It does actually. It looks like some mid-80s game where they just started putting ramps on or something. Yes, it does. It does. So I don't, for, how much does it cost? www.willywonka.com Peter Horne, Bott Assimelt, Luke Rogge, Mea Maleck, yeah, backglass and This podcast is brought to you by... Tim Kitzrow, The Wildest Man in the World, Dan Seyfried, Bruce Lee, Tom Ford, John Kinsley, Michael Kemp, and David Askew. Tim Kitzrow, and David Askew. Tim Kitzrow, and David Askew. What else do we got? Predator Court Case 2, The Court Night 2. Oh, it's Predator 2. It's Predator 2. It's got Danny Glover. Yes. Did anyone besides me watch Predator 2? I didn't think it was that bad. I think you are the only, it wasn't that bad. No, I didn't think it was that bad at all. He like comes to the city and stuff. Come on. Has Danny Glover in it? No? The only thing that would have saved that movie if What's-His-Name was in it with Danny Glover and they made it like a Lethal Weapon slash... Oh, Lethal Weapon crossover. Yes, Lethal Weapon versus the Predator instead of Alien versus Predator. I don't have time for this shit. Yeah, shoot. Yeah. That would be pretty funny. That would be pretty funny. That would be great. But yeah, so he got another reprieve. Kevin Kulik was brought in, or well, no, came in voluntarily this time. Yes, with his lawyer. And even his own lawyer gave him up pretty much. Yeah, lawyer. As he got grilled for the first like 50 minutes. Yes. When the other lawyer actually had him on the stand and had to answer questions, you can see the stupidness just come out and his unwillingness to work with it until the judge finally told him, hey, you need to answer these questions. You cannot dilly dally. You got to tell exactly what's going on. And he still didn't. You know, I think the other guy was, you know, the litigation lawyer was pretty, but I think he's headed down a dark road and I think he's going to have a boyfriend named Bubba soon. Oh, oh, bye. I think he's going to have to finally prove where this money went. I don't think he, I don't, I don't even know how much it was. Guess what? Just proves the point back to don't prepay. No pre-orders. Yes. Unless it's for dialed in. Yeah. Okay. And just get it when you get it, you know. Pinball machines out there, unless you've got to have it like a Jetsons or maybe even like a Rob Zombie when people are doing it. No more. Oh, ready for a show. I'm tipping this in. Great. All right. We're going to rock tonight. Yes. We're going to rock and roll. The Yeah, he's got to come back and the it will be the 21st of February. So he's got three weeks to go through this spreadsheet that was in this thing and actually list all of his his assets, not his assets, but his check money coming in the money coming out through this ledger. Where did all the money go? Yes. It's got to show where it went. I honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't keep track of anything. Oh, I guarantee it wasn't organized in any way. I seriously doubt that. I seriously doubt this stuff even exists. Yeah, I just think it's just a train wreck. It really was. Funny thing is, I think I did play that once, Predator. Oh, I played it. I played it. I played a cool one. The coolest mode was actually the lights out mode. When you got a certain mode, all the lights out, all the GI lights went out. That was the coolest mode I thought in the game. Get to the chopper! That was in the game! Arnold did not give his permission. You are failed. No, you failed. Failed miserably. You're fired. Another thing, I didn't realize this, someone else brought this up on another podcast. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. There are other podcasts, believe it or not. Okay, good. I like some of them too. When Keith Elwin went to Stern, he pulled a lot of his Archer videos from his channel. Oh no! I did not realize that, but yes, all of the gameplay ones, they're all pulled. Wow, that's good, bad. Interesting, very interesting. Take that for, as you will. I didn't realize that, and I went on there, sure enough, he's got, there's a couple of them, like an early Whitewood stage, And like some of the like the rotating beacon lights he had showing that off and the video mode that was in the game. And that was it. Like all the gameplay ones are all gone.
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industry_signal: Licensed IP games (Jetsons, Domino's branded games) feature simplified playfields, suggesting manufacturing/cost constraints or brand requirements affecting design

medium · Bruce notes Jetsons playfield is 'stripped down' similar to other branded/licensed machines

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    personnel_signal: Keith Elwin joined Stern, appears to have removed all gameplay video content from YouTube, possibly due to IP/confidentiality restrictions

    high · Ron discovered Archer gameplay videos removed, only whitewood/component videos remain; suggests employer policy

  • ?

    business_signal: Community advisory against manufacturer prepayments following litigation case, indicating ongoing financial accountability concerns in industry

    high · Hosts advise listeners 'Don't prepay. No pre-orders' unless for highly anticipated titles like Dialed In

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    regulatory_signal: Manufacturer defendant ordered to produce detailed financial ledger by February 21st showing all money in/out, indicating court enforcement of accountability

    high · Ron describes defendant appearing with lawyer, being grilled for 50+ minutes, ultimately ordered by judge to fully disclose financial details

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    restoration_signal: Active community engagement in electromechanical machine restoration; hosts working on Harlem Globetrotters, Big Game, Monster Bash, Fathom playfield replacement

    high · Detailed discussion of lamp socket replacement, flipper rebuild, reel motor servicing, playfield sourcing strategies

  • ?

    content_signal: rec.games.pinball Usenet group remains active resource for vintage machine questions with knowledgeable contributors (Scott, Clay Harrell); Slam Tilt Podcast and Pinside also recommended as learning resources

    high · Hosts recommend multiple community resources for repair learning; note rec.games.pinball searchable archive and active expert contributors

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Designer intent analysis: Lonnie Ropp's rules criticized as 'terrible' with poor voiceover choices on 24; George Gomez referenced for difficult shot layouts (NBA Fast Break); mixed reception to rule complexity vs accessibility tradeoff

    medium · Hosts identify Lonnie Ropp as 'the one I hate the most' for rules design; debate continues on whether hard shots or bad rules are worse design choices

    • 9:03
    Fascinating, Captain. Fascinating. Yes. Ooba. We have one more piece of news. This is we're going to go now into tournament talk.
    9:13
    TV tournament time. You know, I think I'm going to rename our new segment. A piece of news. Oh, okay. Oh my. The Papa Circuit Pinball Tournament Series events have now been announced between the majors 2017, 2018. This was announced yesterday from Douglas Polka. He has a list of the majors and the minors that qualified for next year. All right. The 24 hour is now a major. Ooh. The Buffalo Pinball Open is now a major. City Champ, I don't know where that one is, that's a major. It Never Drains in Southern California is a major. OBX Flippers in North Carolina is a major. Papa 20 is a major. Pinburgh is a major. And Pittsburgh Pinball Open is a major. Okay, so what's the difference between a major and a non-major? I think the points at the end is like 1.5 compared to 1.0. So are there lots of non-majors? Yes, there's Dutch Pinball Masters, the IFPA Pin Masters, Louisville Arcade Expo, MagFest, which is the only surprise I thought, Pinball at the Zoo, Pinvasion, and the Silvered Ball Showdown. Really, an IFPA one is a minor one? Yes. The events that did not qualify for the circus inclusion through surveys will be added in What is the hope for the project's success? dentromanaging prossiello halloween have candidates on octopus studying for uh... difference from спасибо roll open so it makes our point a lot harder to come by for as a taxpayer but it's a good thing So that's our 15 of the 20. So congratulations to all those people who have made it into that.
    11:53
    I vote for Pintastic just because that's when I go to. Are they even on? Well, actually, they don't have the other one. They don't have the list yet. I gotcha. Yes.
    12:04
    Pretty light news. Pretty light news. Not much going on. I don't know. Were there any Batman 66 updates? Nope. Not that I've seen. Not that I've seen it all.
    12:17
    So, repairs, Ron. Repairs? Wow, we got to repairs already. Yes. I am working on a couple things. The firepower, I'm trying to get rid of the stupid commas in the seven-digit display.
    12:33
    I think I figured out how I want to do it, and I want to do it in a clean manner. Here's Bob Bett next. Chuck previous, Let me tell you, I, uh- Chase Brody, The Mines sambar. What's the matter with you, uh? You were trying to get out Well, I mean, it's, it's, I, I believe it will fit because it's the same, it's, it's for an edge connector style, but it's the same size as the IDC connector, so I'm hoping that will work. I guess I'll find out. You will find out. And if not, that'll be asking me. Yeah So I got that And I finished yesterday replacing every single lamp socket in the Harlem Globetrotters So how many don work That sucked I have not powered it on yet Ah. Nope, haven't powered it on. I did that. And I did the flippers, which I found out some interesting things. And I don't know if it depends on the parts vendor. But I got my flipper rebuild kits from Pinball Resource. And on Harlem, it has, on one of the flippers, it has two switches. Yes. There's one that's the EOS switch and then another one that actually actuates the other flipper. That's how they do it. Yes. Instead of putting, you know, dual switches, instead of putting a stack switch on the flipper cabinet, the flipper button cabinet switch, they do it on the actual flipper, which is fine. We can't stage doing that, but whatever. But the part I got from Pinball Resource, the stack switch part, it's just a leaf switch with like a nylon spacer on it. The actual, I don't even know how to explain this. When you have a leaf switch, you have the blades and then you have the other part that like, what are they? They're wood like pieces. Yeah, it's non-electric. Yeah, it's a bake plate almost like. Bake. Yeah, okay. So, you have like, bake like wood pieces that make up the switch. Yes. They did not match what was on the game, like the switch. Like, say you have like, you have one bake like piece, a blade, one bake like piece, a blade and then another bake like piece. The ones I got from Pinball Resources would be like, bake like, blade, two bake likes, blade, bake like. Like, it was wider. It was thicker. In the end, I think it was like, the only thing that was like, they didn't make it look like a piece, it was like, a blade. I don't know what happened. I don't think it was a mistake. I think it was a mistake. You just had to be careful. Yeah, I mean, I think it's like, I mean I didn't really think about it. Two Bakelikes, blade Bakelike. Like it was wider. It was thicker. And their EOS switches also have an extra piece that's not in the original. So with that combined, the screw was not long enough to make it through and it wouldn't ever adjust properly. So I had to do Frankenstein where I, what I ended up doing is just taking the switches apart. Because really, the only parts you need are the blades, the new parts. And I just used all the old bake like discs with the new blades to make them in the exact same, the exact same depth or whatever you want to call it. Thickness is the originals. So now it's adjusted properly. So just and so just just throwing that out there. If anybody is doing that or using one of the kits, just just look at that. Just pay attention to the size of what's there. Mystery habe que volvermos real?
    16:46
    I got no intention of that because I got to do big game and that has two of them. Yes it does. Because it has both sides and the big game wiring is all screwed up anyway so that's going to be fun. Speaking of big game, Zach got his working. You actually got it working? Yes, it's actually powered on, flips and everything. Wow, yeah mine will definitely not flip. Just looking at the flippers right now, they're not flipping. Yep, he actually played a game, he said he's got a bad credit display and a couple I'm getting close. I'm getting close to getting to that game. What I'm going to do is I actually have to put lamps now in all the sockets, the new ones I put in. Then I'm going to just give it a once over to make sure I didn't short anything or screw anything up, see if I can find anything I screwed up. And then we're going to power on, hopefully by this weekend. So we'll get to see if I blow up anything. Candace haber will explain some of the Elwin pinball contests about getting it on live and being on TV. His film recommendations are all about helping you get to your dream for stressedMy Elwin pinball. Please don't damage your pinball contest to stay connected. Their promotion will give you the chance to get it on video or we can donate $400 per anja.unu returns And again, this is the Rector Fireboard that's, it's not even the right parts. It's like from a bally. It works fine, but it's like mounted to a drawer, the front end of a drawer. So I gotta, I gotta move it back a little bit on the board. And so I can actually mount the knocker where it's supposed to be and hook that up. But the bigger thing is I just want to get the lighting working because it's quite dark. It's tough to see. I think that's it for me. Don't have any other repairs. For me, Monster Bash went bye-bye this Saturday. I went to Mr. Bucci's house, dropped it off in a snowstorm. What's with you and snowstorms with him? I swear to God, I don't know. That's the second one. It wasn't as bad as the first one, but I got there. I left my house at 7, got to his house around 10, and I was out of his house by 11, and Jerry Gordon just kept his emails standing right before the last show and doing a July of 2019 speech. So here we go, but hey, I thought hopefully you guys appreciated this because grab and yarn and musicians will really help, right? Yeah, and Scott Daniels as well. So what about the own Kollegin Alice Lys enquirer Well, hello we're all with Jim Drew Thank you So we'll let's jump into this here The reals work on it. Everything works perfectly. Yeah. It's got new stepper motors on the reels. Gotta love new stepper motors on the reels. And they actually work right. You know, some you go to and they're all fucked up and they're out of time. These are perfect.
    20:49
    Yes, you need that. Yeah. And if anyone, if anyone, if you've never seen Houdini, give it a shot. It sat in Bruce's house for years and I literally never played it just because I looked at it I'm like, eh, looks stupid. Then when I actually played it, it's like, uh, yeah, I like this game. This is a lot of fun. Then when it's in tournaments, I always pick it because nobody knows how to play it. Yes. Um, interesting, okay. I have a gift, I have a present coming tomorrow. Something I've been waiting for for a year. Sextile. No, no, no, I have plenty of them. Oh, um, uh, sorry. Your signed ELO collector's edition. Pinball machine? That'd be kick ass, but no. I got one of the Fathom Playfields. So you did. It's coming tomorrow. I'll have it tomorrow in my grubby little hands. So you're gonna like try to repeat this entire episode? I think we have to repeat this entire episode. So you just need a cabinet, five other Fathom Playfields to take stuff off of, and you'll be all set? Make sure to subscribe aside from the youtube channel visitúcenders.com takablevarga.com for more on the plastics and industrial приехborns.com John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Knapp Arcade, Raydaypinball Podcast. You guys playing this to me again? Cool people hanging out and playing pinball with each other. Oh, really? Okay. Yep. So that's the fun part. Excellent. So what else do we have? We have multiple emails in the slam bag. We do. I'm going to pull it up right now while you probably have yours out. I have mine. You have yours out and my out. Okay. We're dueling mailbags.
    23:27
    Uh, Google? Who's first? I got it. Just a second. You know, Jet Screamer is on the Jetsons. He's on the artwork, I just noticed that. See? That's great. Yeah, Judy's looking at him. You know, cause he was the, uh... Yes, he was the, uh, idol. Maybe they have the, uh, Eek Op Ork Ah Ah song in there. Oh, Eek Op Ork Ah Ah. Eek Op Ork Ah Ah. Yeah, what does that mean? What does that mean? I love you! Okay. No one under the age of 50 will even get that. I'm under 50. Okay, 40. Okay. There you go. Because those are made before I was even born. I think I used to watch them on New York Channel 11. They used to play those. Yes. WPIX. Yes. WPIX. There you go. Yep. Don't forget I am a Jersey boy still. Yep. And they always had the Yankee games. I remember that. They did. With Mr. Eric Russell S. And he corrects you. Yes! I was right! One strike for Bruce, which is, I have to be the first one, it's gotta be. Baywatch is not a wide body, it feels wildly normal since there's no shooter lane. But it's standard width. See? Told you. I have to put it on the choice of Black Rose, it's a good fun game. But also, My World Poker Tour is a good second choice though, also. So, thank you Eric for your email. Transcription provided by Transcription Outsourcing, LLC. The Baywatch is awesome. It's a white star. You have good boards. Yeah, but it's Baywatch. It's awesome. I love Baywatch. Yes. It's a great game. Yeah, okay. Great game. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. So that might be one of Bruce's games he doesn't like coming up. Yeah, I think it will be tonight. Next person in our mail ball bag. Doesn't it sound better when I say it that way? Mail ball bag. It's a slam ball bag. Get it right. I like the mail ball bag. You would. Is Sean F. Now, Sean has good taste in this email. Sean's comment is, thank you, Bruce. So, right off the bat, right off the bat, I'm already intrigued. How about you? Were you intrigued by this email? Uh, sure, I was just enthralled, intrigued, enraptured. There you go. Thank you for this gem. He picked up one port that I actually did very dry. You asked Tim during episode 28, Games You Love, Games You Hate, about his response to his dislike of silver ball mania. So the idea of a guy screwing a pinball machine does not appeal to you? So organic, so effortless, I listen every week and truly enjoy your guy's collective wit. And I actually had the right by saying thank you for listening, Sean. Yep, we don't have a filter. Most people like that. I know I do. So thank you, Sean, for listening and thank you, Sean, for the nice prop for me. I was very happy. You actually made my day when I saw this. Thank you again. Don't keep doing that, though. His ego will get out of control. No, not ego. That was actually really cool. I actually enjoyed it very much. You got to stop commending Bruce He get out of control I won even be able to censor him He be uncensorable I already am That true I take the next one Ryan C our listener from Australia He does have his regular segment now He has another question for us this week. Now this one was hard. Well, one of the two parts of it was hard. The other part I have a couple of candidates. Where we were talking about actually was commenting on like on Pinside everyone was commenting on the layout of the Jetsons and arguing about you know value for the money like is it worth five grand etc etc. But he wanted to know what we think is the best designed modern game so DMD or LCD with the worst software package. Fun to shoot but terrible rules. And then he wants the opposite, which is the hard one. Like a crappily designed pinball machine that has great software. I got mine. Alright, what's yours? First, the fun to shoot, but bad rules, gotta be 24. I'll give you that. I love the way it shoots, there's a lot of flow, a lot of fun. Steve Ritchie! Yeah, but who did the rules? I don't know who did the rules. Someone you hate. Of course, who's the one I hate the most? Uh, who do you hate? Oh, Lonnie Ropp. You got it, baby! Oh, God! Actually, Lyman helped a little bit. I think he came in at the end, but Lonnie Ropp did it in the beginning with Dwight. Oh, it's terrible. And another thing that kills that game is... Chad Pa! Pinball, Pinball, Pinball, Pinball, Pinball. That might be some of the worst voiceovers I've ever heard in a game. Yes, that was actually custom speech. That yes, that's why I said that's some of the worst voiceovers I've heard. I mean, could they got, I never watch the show, could they have gotten anyone else? Maybe Keith or Sutherland actually do, eh, this is terrible, terrible. What is your best shooter worst rule? Funny thing is, the first one I thought of was not a DMD game. It was actually, um, and I actually love the goofy music, but I put roller games up there. Oh, nice one, yeah. It's so buggy. There are lots of, like, the soundboard will just reboot intermittently, and it's just, you could tell, it has, it doesn't have the polish of, say, the previous game that Steve Ritchie did, Black Knight 2000. Las Vegas. Thanks for joining us on the show. We'll see you next time. Go胖. Bye. Bye, guys. I hope you enjoyed this program if you did, and that it's been helpful for you. Please share it with your friends and family and leave some suggestions to other people who may be interested in learning about the show and the show development. Thanks for watching, and I'll see you next time on Loser Kid Pinball. Bye. The best light show in the game is if you finish sudden death. That should be like the jackpot thing, like what happens. But DMD era, I keep coming back to this one because it's a Gottlieb System 3 and we all hate their rules. It's a teed off. I like the playfield. I like the playfield. I like the getting the multiball the way they did it without like you have to hit three different shots multiple times. But the same problem with the modes, you have modes that are generally worthless or it's just you just time them out. You're just trying to get multiball to get the super or get whatever the wizard modes are. That hurts it, in my opinion. So, game that is a bad shooter, but with good rules. High Roller Casino. Oh, God, no. Come on, I'm going to get him on this because... Deto, deto, patunk. No, I... It's got good rules. Yeah, exactly. That's, remember, we're saying bad playfield and good rules. Got good shots, too. You have a diverter in the middle, with a, wait a second, you got a diverter in the middle. It's almost like you're playing Hobbit.
    32:09
    I could put Wizard of Oz up there. I know Timmy liked it. Yeah. I just never, I just never found it that fun to shoot. Hmm. Okay. Now I have two myself. Here's the one, one is actually I like in the game, actually. It's really weird. Avengers. Oh, this again. Okay, Avengers. Very hard shots, but I like the new rules. Like the little mini wizard modes, I like a lot about it, but the hard shots, especially freaking Blackwater. The Hope آрина غیر آئیه تمbenі! I don't like even the shots. Another George Gomez game. The shots are really hard to hit on, you know, NBA fast break. Really tight shots. Some are very frustrating, but I like it when it's a link game. The rules are very much fun when you're playing against somebody else. So what team would you pick on that? Unfortunately, I'm a Jersey boy, so I'm stupid enough to go with the Jersey Nets. Yes, that's actually what I would pick for New Jersey Nets. See? So that's the question, we're answering your question for Crikey Ryan. That's right, Ryan, it's the answer right there. Yeah. That's right, that's right, I can't think of any more. So, you want to take the next one? You can take the next one, I did two, you can do two. Yes, it's from Ryan, who's relatively new to owning pins. What are good resources to use for learning how to fix pins for novices like myself?
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    Tim Kitzrow, Tim Kitzrow Podcast. That's really good information. I actually still go back and watch them once in a while and just smile and laugh and, you know, it's some stupid humor, which that's fun, I think, also, aka this show. What? We have intelligent humor. It's not like we start off the show with Beavis and Bundet clips or anything. That would be so low class. God, I know. Maybe we need to mix it up a little bit and put like a... Masterpiece theater? No, Masterpiece Theater or some British humor because that's like refined. Bugs Bunny. That's all, folks. Yes. Oh, no, that's the wrong. What's up, Doc? Yes. What's up, Duck?
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    So, yeah, Pin Weekie. I would also say go to recgamespinball. So it's just searching Google for rec.games.pinball. You will get a Google Groups view of a Usenet group. This was the definitive source for years. If you just get into that group, and it's easy using Google, once you get in there, just search within the group for any questions or especially any issues you might have. And almost always you will find someone that already had the same issue. Now the funny thing is I still use Rec Games. I'm just in it right now. I just logged into it for two seconds and I use it through Thunderbird. Yep, you can use it for a news group reader. Also our very own Scott from the show, he hangs out there. He's in there today. He will always, if you have any questions about any old Bally or Stern stuff, he will usually chime in with an answer. And he did. So did Shaggy. Oh yes, yes, Clay Harrell, he also still hangs out there. And then there's also Pinside. Yeah. But Tread Lightly there. Tim Kitzrow, Rob Pinn, Kevin M. C. K. Pinn. C. K. I'm John Popadiuk, and I'll see you next time. You don't need to know the complexities of a circuit. If my GI fuse keeps blowing, I probably have a short somewhere on my GI and I need to find it. Nah. See, that's...you'll find that's frustrating in older games where they have one fuse for all the GI. Yes. That's when it sucks. But see, you can still do things like unplug the playfield, so you just have the back box lighting. Does it blow? No. Okay, it's on the playfield. Or if you're lucky, it's in the back box because that'd be easier to find. It would be. That would be my advice. I agree. I definitely agree with all those. And listen to the Slam Tilt Podcast. And actually, if anyone has any questions, I mean, or any repair questions, someone here could probably answer. Yep. If not me, definitely Bruce. Unless it's a Gottlieb question. I even know Gottliebs, unfortunately. Unfortunately. Come on, you hate Gottliebs. I still work on them, but I hate them. Especially System Ones. Really? I thought they were like the simplest system. Not with the spider chip. The spider chip, okay. Let's get Rockwell involved and make our board sets. They went to space. Yeah, they went to space. While everyone else was coming up with their own board sets, they outsourced it and like pretty much fell behind and never caught up. Well, the reason why is Rockwell used a chip from the mid-70s that they had plenty of, and it was based off wrong architecture. It just, the problem was the people, they didn't in-house it themselves. Then that's, they didn't, but they didn't, you know, they didn't have any input into it. All they said was, here's your thing, and oh, we need to do this with it. Yeah, but here's your, here's your system. No, no, we need to do this with it. Nope, here's your board system. You got to use that. www.ispden Kannemeyer.com
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    Oh, we have I Buy That? All right. I have one. I got one. Oh, one. Okay, hold on. I got to look this up here. I got to see if I buy that. Go for it.
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    The Sinbad is still up. It's actually a new number again. Come on, people. Buy the Sinbad. There's got to be a reason why it keeps coming up. I wonder if he's sending them extra pictures and they're not good or something. Yeah, I don't know. Ticket number 2823-440-4380. Still have 500 starting bids, 750 to buy. I missed out on something really good actually this week.
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    A Stern Stars Lockdown Bar Latch Assembly. eBay went for auction And you would have used that where Anywhere just to have one Actually yeah you right because they use the same lock Well remember that 5 trat
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    262824499603. Bally Star Trek. Oh, really? So you're a fan of this game? No, but the reason why I'm bringing this one up is for a special reason. OK, and that special reason is? Are you looking at it? I am looking at it. OK, what's the back glass? It has the earlier back glass on it. Yes, the original earlier back glass because it's crapping out a little bit.
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    So it's not a repro one like they sold later on. This is actually an early machine. Yeah, really early. So let's see. Look, look, the playfield. Oh, they have one one picture of the playfield. But it looks pretty good. It's got a little crap in the middle, but you can pick up you can buy a playfield for $675, $700 on eBay.
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    A gold one from CPR. I'm wondering if the back glass came later. The only reason I say that is because if you do look at the playfield, see the plastic on the right, it's got the bald, you know, Persis Kambada. She's not on the earlier plastic. She's not on there. It's like another... But if you look at the playfield, if you look at the back glass, it's really cracking and peeling. Yeah, yeah, yep. That's why I'm thinking it's still an original. I think the back glass is original, but I'm saying I don't think it might have been put in later. Oh, well, I was trying to look at the serial number and I couldn't see the serial number fully on that body on the side. I feel like a detective. I know. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Oh, no, that's Law and Order, what am I saying? Yeah, it only has three pictures and... It's 975. It's in Bigsby, Oklahoma. So Midwest people.
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    It's got one day, 13 hours left. So by the time this comes out in the broadcast, it'll just be ready to go for auction. www.willywonka.com 8497. Oh, Star Trek Limited Edition Cabinet Decal Set. Yep. In case my decals start to come off. You got it. So I'm gonna put these on myself. You got it. Yeah, sure I am. But they're all, the whole five piece NOS set for a Star Trek LE. 300 bucks. Not a bad deal. The funny thing is, I actually, I preferred the premium artwork. I did the artwork for the cabinet. I like the back glass for the Ellie, but I actually like the, because it's more of an action shot in the premium where they're getting chased by the vengeance thing. Vengeance. When they're firing at them while they're at warp, which is impossible. Sorry. No, because this ship is faster. It can catch up to you and blow you away. You can't fire when you're in warp. That makes no sense. Sorry. Because your phasers go through the warp engines. She's it whatever whatever sorry Benedict Cumberbatch he's not con there's only one con Ricardo Montalban tasks me and I should have him. Ahhhh, con! Well I'm gonna announce it here first unfortunately I'm probably not gonna be able to go to the Massachusetts state finals. Boo! I'm here right now, but unfortunately, my brother-in-law died this week, so I have to go to a funeral this weekend. So it's pretty sad, you know, for my niece and nephew. Their father died, which just really sucks, you know. And so I want to be there for him, so that means I miss this weekend coming up. And next weekend would be the finals, and then the weekend after I have school and league and another league the week after, so... And I'm trying to get the house ready, so I think I actually have to be the adult here again and say no pinball for me. But I don't know, probably make up my mind tomorrow or the next day. If not, I might be staying at Ron's house if I do go out. Wink wink, hint hint. Maybe we'll get some videos of us playing and playing pinball. Oh, pinball, okay, okay. Some videos playing, alright. Oh my. So, yes. Anything else, sir? Or you want to go pay some bills? Or do you have anything to talk about? Not really. It's pretty light this week. You want to do a tool bag, toolbox thing? Or you just want to just go right into the pay the bills? I think we'll go right into the pay the bills. I'm sick of tools. I've been using a lot of them the last week. I am a tool. Yes. I am a tool also. I'll admit that.
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    www.pinballlifter.com. Come check us out. Bye. Lifter. Bye pinball tilter. Bye mods. Is it like a subliminal message you're putting there? Eeeh, can't tell it's subliminal. I'll back, I'll do back masking. You know, you say backwards and they play forwards. It just says, bye tilters, bye tilters. Bye now. Worship the devil. Bye tilters. Hey, just think Ron, if I go out to Massachusetts, you might, I can just bring out whodunit for you. Mmm. Hint hint wink wink. Nudge nudge wink wink say no more. Yes. The state finals come up on February 11th. There's a couple little tournaments around Syracuse including Central New York Pinball. The pinheads of Syracuse are having their thing on the 23rd. It's a Thursday again at Cloud City Comics. It's the February Lovers Pinball Tournament. Okay, lovers tournament. Is this appropriate? Love em, leave em, love em. Is that a Kiss song? Yes sir, love em, leave em. See, I didn't even know and I figured that would be something Kiss would sing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, Kiss. I got a golden ticket. Yeah, yeah, the golden shower on Gene's head. Oh my, he's got fucking money. Yeah, yeah. There was some article where they said this year, which is less than a month, KISS has like patented or trademarked like a hundred different items or something. They're just constantly trademarking stuff. Yep. And he's got a hot daughter though. God, he's got a fucking smoking daughter. Well, yeah, like the mom was like a former Playboy Playmate. So I would assume the daughter would be hot too. And the sun is actually taller than Gene. The sun's 6'6". I'm not familiar with the... You don't watch the...what's it called? Family Jewels? No, I don't watch any of that. No. Oh, you need to watch some more reality TV. No, I don't watch TV. I barely do either. So I don't think there's any other shows going on, so let's just go to the next thing and... Yep, so we are...we can be found at... Slamtel, just search for Slamtel Podcast on Facebook. Check out our page. One of these days we might actually get our actual web page. That would be cool. That would be kind of cool. Yeah, we should do that one of these days. We can ask Steve Bowden. What is he? Is he right? A public bonus. Well, he has his own web page. That's true. He has his own web page. Maybe, but see, to me that'd be yet another thing to maintain. And say hi to Zach too, because Zach's got that machine running. So I'm going to probably go over there and check out his... His big game. Big game. So yes, Slam Tilt Podcast on Facebook or YouTube channel, Slam Tilt Podcast, and our email where you can send correspondence to us at slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com. This has been episode 29, Live and Let Die, where the, who was the main bad guy in that? Rick bill John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Steful Esse, PoppaG이, and Jeremy PackerSPEAKING� For the fans at K instaosexualjot Shamey criticized by Communican The 19 years ago, I actually faced, and beat stage 4 cancer. That's why I was so proud of all the guys from Pinball Done Quick and Games Done Quick for cancer research. It's very important to me. I've been cancer free now, luckily, for 19 years. I look so baby-faced on my page there. Was that picture from that or was that when you broke your back? Actually, I broke my back. Here's the funny thing. I've actually broken my back. I actually had my cancer was in my vertebrae of my back, my T7 vertebrae. So I had a back brace on and at the same time getting chemo. After my fourth chemotherapy, I had to go through six spinal taps, one every week and get chemo. I was getting chemo through spinal taps and chemo regularly. So every week I got to look forward to getting a spinal tap. So women, when you have, you know, if you get an Willy Wonka is a Falcons Killer wholly responsible for cornering and beating simply terrible oben fans in Cuphead Parkside, Chicago where he is safe and well. I actually, when I found out I had cancer, I was working for the phone company. And when I actually literally broke my back, I was hooked on a telephone pole with the spikes and on a strap, 20 feet up in the air. And I reached for something in the thing and I heard my back go . And I had this excruciating pain. I had to climb down the pole. And once I got down off the pole, I was actually, oh God, I feel a little bit better. And then the next day I couldn't move out of my bed. I was in so much pain and then it took like two weeks to finally figure out what was wrong with me and yep.
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    Reminds me of my bandmate, who you know, Chris. Yep. He was on his roof when he dislocated his knee. Oh. As he's on his roof and he's up there and it's like, oh, how am I going to get down? So he basically popped his knee back in. Hey, one more thing. Guess who won January's tournament at Cloud City? Who won January's tournament at Cloud City, Bruce? Me! Me, me, me! Yay! I beat Mr. Eric Russell again, as he always says, you know. And you won $10,000. Nope, I won $10. Oh, okay. That's okay, too. Yep. And I won 11 points out of the 12. Oh, sorry, 10 points out of the 12. Dominating. I did dominate. Bruce the Dominator. So I think that's about it for me. Episode 29. Yeah, that was episode 29, Live and Let Die. Say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Douglas Polka.
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