It's all about the lake. Fresh Pinball. It's so freaking fresh. Fresh, fresh, fresh, fresh. Uh, what? Welcome everyone to Season 5, Episode 2 of the Fresh Pinball Podcast. this very special episode. We sit around and octagonally shaped rotation eight. Oh, is that why it's eight? Am I just making a mistake? I mean, it's kind of misleading because it only has four positions. Right, and also the whole eight ball thing. I assume the eight was like somehow... I think they did both, though. I think it's for both. Anyway, we're getting out of our seats here. So we're sitting around a Bally Rotation 8, which we will take a deep dive into this episode. But before we do that, to my left, on the board, Mr. Kyle. How we doing, buddy? Doing well, doing well. How about yourself, Jeff? How was pinball league for you tonight down at Finney's? Oh, I played like shit. What'd you get on? X-Men twice for some reason You were on X-Men twice Let's see, round four Let's see, Kyle was on X-Men Round three Kyle was on Elton John Charlie Willy Wonka Willy Wonka Getting on all his Willy Wonka And then what else do we got here? Kyle was on Foo Fighters Okay, you got around a little bit You marginally beat me on Foo Fighters I did. It was literally by like 100,000 points. All about the multiball. And across from me, Mr. Corbin Angeli. How are we doing? Doing good. Doing good. Glad to have everyone sitting around this rotation eight. It's been fun to work on and, you know, it's fun to get to play it now. Yeah, I think the last time we recorded at your place, we tried it with the mobile recorder. Yeah, there was ghost on there too, I think. Limited success. Some spooky ghosts. but now we're back on the main board with minimal feedback so this should sound good for your ears I didn't think the mobile was too bad here other than the furnace the furnace yeah every time the blower kicked on it was a little I literally earlier earlier before you guys came over I was like I'll make sure all the furnace like all the AC and everything is turned off because otherwise Kyle is just going to it was just because of the field recorder though I mean It is super sensitive And we're sitting in a completely different spot We are To my right To Corbin's left Mr. Zach Angeli Who has some big news for us How are we doing my WRX Abled person Drivable WRX That's breaking news Do we have a breaking news sounder here Kyle Say what Yes it's painted And driving So it's good Life's good. You drove it up to Cleapin. So let's talk a little bit about Cleapin. You came up on Saturday. Your dad came up on Saturday. After Max's birthday party. It was at quarter up. It was a good time. A bunch of his little buddies from school came and had a good time. Nice, nice, nice, nice, nice. So the car's back. The car's painted. The deal is done. Everyone is happy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not rusted away yet, so, you know. Excellent. news. Let's talk a little post-Cleepin then. We set up there for the weekend. What was it? Thursday? Friday? Saturday? Friday? Saturday? Sunday? It was a long weekend. It was a lot of days, a lot of hours. But yeah, Thursday. Set up Thursday and then it was Thursday night. Friday all day. Saturday all day. Sunday. Until like 5 or 6 or whatever. In Harry Potter, going all day, the one that went till the end, everything else on that whole half of the building was shut down and gone and harry potter was still getting played i think those guys would have played it in like if we would have not if you wouldn't have i distracted them while you turned it off yeah yeah we we tag-teamed them but they would have they would have kept playing it so normally play counts too anyway yeah for sure so normally for that show they throw us since we're the bad kids in like the far back corner where we can do like the least amount of damage humanly possible. Somehow, some reason, this year we were literally right up front as soon as you walked through the doors and they gave us a nice, big, huge space. It was quite bizarre. So, okay. The top two games, did I tell you guys these numbers? Yeah, I told you. I wasn't going to make you guess. But you didn't tell these people. Are you going to make them guess, email in and guess the numbers? I can't leave them on a cliffhanger like that. Okay, so top two games. So we took a pretty good lineup. I guess I should start with that. James Bondelli. Yeah, which is, I think, is beautiful. Deadpool Premium. Yep, James Bond Pro. We took the Dialed In. We took Harry Potter. Puny Factory. Puny Factory. Challenger. We took Perfect Four. Challenger. The Love Tester. Love Tester. Which there was some money in some Love Testers. I think that was it. We're probably forgetting something, but... Yeah, but that's the main gist of it. Yeah, yeah. So, we, um, top two for sure was between Harry Potter and Evil Dead. Both, Harry Potter, I thought, had the longest line all weekend. It did, for sure. For sure. Like, Evil Dead had a pretty solid, like, it was constantly getting played, but I thought Harry Potter had the longer line. So, I think it's a little bit slower. I think Evil Dead's a little bit quicker of a player. Oh, for sure. Which was part of it. So, Evil Dead ended up getting the most plays with 685. Not bad. Yeah. It's pretty good. Yeah, yeah. It's crazy thinking that Pinbrew, which was essentially the same number of days, was in the 300 to 400 range. We had two of them, too. Yeah. That's true. So we divided them amongst two. But what about the year we had Looney Tunes and Texas Chainsaw? I guess that would have been splitting it as well, but that's still two attraction games. We had two attraction games in this one. Feels like we got more traffic there. And I think it went way later, too. There were people there at 3 a.m. That's true. The hours. There's a lot of hours. We had to pretty much kick people off Evil Dead at Pembro When we were closing down That's basically what Harry Potter was like Harry Potter was like the new hot That's the one I think a lot of people still haven't played It came in with 655 plays So we had the Harry Potter Wizard Edition there Although I mean You have like one of the only Evil Deads On location in the area It still surprises me what we do So that thing up has After Cleapin We were just over 5,000 plays on the game. Yeah, great. Yeah. And it's, I mean, I think we're going to rebuild the flippers. I think it's about time. Yeah. Obviously. Apparently. But, yeah. So, yeah. That came out the beginning of the summer, right? Pretty much. April. Ours is number 89, so it would have been, yeah, within the first couple months. Because we had it before Pembroke. That was the... Right, right. April then. Yeah. Yeah. Because I had it at the house for a minute. Yeah. They love it up there in Lakewood. They'd love that everywhere. It wouldn't. Are we taking it to PGX? I have it on the list of ancillary ones. I just didn't want to. I know how you feel about pulling some of these games, so I was trying to limit some of those. But yeah. They would love it. They would love it. They would love it more than D&D. I don't know why we've got to take fucking D&D. Because it's a tabletop gaming thing. So Dungeons & Dragons is... All right, all right. They requested it. The people. The people. The people. The people. So, yeah. We did all of that. People were loving Harry Potter. People were loving Harry Potter, Evil Dead, and Harry Dead, and Evil Potter. What about the Big Bang Bar? Yeah. The Mike Prusa. The Mike Prusa. Big Bang Bar. Mike Steven, yeah. It was definitely, it was right behind our booth, so we were able to hop on it when there wasn't someone on it. I don't know. What were your takeaways? It was nice. I got to play one game. I mean. I think it had some bugs, but I mean, just like anything that you build from scratch in a year or whatever. And not even real Big Bang Bars have bugs like that. Yeah, for sure. It was cool. It was cool. I thought it played pretty genuine to the original. It was like the prototype play field on it. Right. And then he used all the actual Capcom Flickermax, which I thought was a different choice. I would just use WPC once. Yeah. So I actually saw something. No, it felt like it played like a true one. I was reading online about the tube dancer, and apparently they just deteriorate. Even if you're not using it, you're not doing anything, the material was made out of just melts down, and it's all over everything. That's not ideal. It's like people were talking about getting around storage, even in the perfect climate controlled, and it's just being melted all over. Like freaking goo in there? Yeah. Gross. I think the better question is what sort of person just stores away their Big Bang Bar and doesn't have it set up online? Honestly, whenever I read that shit, what are you looking for? My water. I'm thirsty. It's on the toolbox. I got you. It's on the toolbox. Thank you. Whenever I read that, though, too, I think the same thing. I'm like, what do you have set up? That's trumping this. Put it in the back closet. We're at the point where we're, like, pulled up the Big Bang Bar. Right. Like, what the fuck? Got to get in for any... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I need this priority spot. Drop targets. Anything Data East over it. Like, what the fuck? Fan of the opera. What made you think of anything Data East? That's very random. Just what I was thinking about. I was working on some dades today. Just thinking about them. So yeah, but Perfect Port was a big success too because you did the whole set the high score, get the free pint glass thing. So we saw a lot of people doing the two-player mode over there on that, which was kind of cool to watch and see. I thought we took a picture. Did we not take a picture of how many it was? It was 400. The plays on that? Yeah, it was like 300, 400 plays. Which is awesome for an arcade game. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Kyle came in clutch with hooking up with the Toledo pinball folks tailgate. That tailgate was awesome. It was a really good time. Kyle brought the van up on Friday. It was just hilarious when I showed up because, like, Jason, everybody's out there, and Jason's got, like, his little pop-up thing. And I'm like, man, you guys got to move that car. So Kyle has – talk about the bus, talk about the whole camping setup. Volkswagen Vanagon, but it's just a weekend or no pop top or anything, but it's got a nice – It's like an awning. Nice awning on it. A rollout, pullout awning. Shout out Napa. It's like 89 bucks five years ago or something. Super cheap. Portable grill. Five years ago. Corbin threw some dogs on there. We did pizza one day. I mean, it turned out to be like definitely the hangout spot where a lot of people were – They were out there all hours of the day and night. Doing the cummings and the goings and everything else, but I thought that was a big success. Yeah. That was very cool. At the end of the show... They made custom koozies, too. They did. Yeah. I don't think I brought mine. I didn't. You'll find mine somewhere. Mine are in the garage at home. But at the end, we're packing up, and they come over, and the showrunners awarded our booth two different awards. Plaques. Two different plaques. One of them was for... Most baldest man. I was literally just going to say that. I was just thinking the same thing. I was going to say Chinese. Chinese. Mr. Clean Cosplay. Best in show modern went to Spooky Pinball's Evil Dead Which was saying something Sorry Wizards Jeff you ever go like how in costume As Mr. Clean It would be a really easy one I would be easy This white shirt Shave the beard I don't know Have you guys ever seen the videos on Instagram Where somebody will like Like me But they'll grow out like the lower portion And then they'll get like a Like the full like toupee hair on It looks so freaking weird For what? Just as a costume? I guess I don't know Or like a daily thing Could you do that on a daily basis? I have no idea I mean I've seen you in your toupee before A ball cap But yeah Evil Dead, Best in Show, Modern at Cleapen And then Best in Show EM Which because that is one of the coolest EMs that we've come across in a long time God, Leap Challenger I saw it being played all day That also That thing surprised the shit out of me I could not believe It was reliable as fuck Yeah I don't want to curse it No I couldn't believe Like we had two stock Two or three stock balls That could be nudged out And other than that I think I pulled a glass once I was like I don't even know how to pull a glass Actually Like I never actually Looked into it Two glasses Glass per side Yeah So that was super popular People were So the challenge If you don't know about it Because we haven't talked about it yet Have you? We talked about it a little bit Last time And Jeff's Garage We talked about it Oh yeah yeah We did talk about it Never mind No let's talk about It was cool though It was cool Kind of what we've found now That we went down the road You found a lot more. Yeah, yeah. I did. So we could not figure out why there are only 110 of these things. It seemed very bizarre that a company that was literally churning out minimum four, five, six, seven, eight. It's like a pinball. I thought it was late 70s, like 76. No, it's early. It's like 71. So this is when they're just like minimum for them to put a game on the line. They're going to build 4,000 of them. Yeah, like I picked up that space mission from a shout out to Brian Johnson. Yes. Kind of like that little skee-ball game Yeah, I do too When I looked into that game, there was almost 15,000 in 1976 It was like the most produced EM Between that and Space Odyssey is the two-player version So we had found several flyers for Challenger across Pinside, IPDB, other places, other corners of the internet And every single one of them was stamped that it was distributed by the House of Coin in Edmonton and Alberta. Literally the only, everything we saw, yeah. So me and my abundant wisdom said, hey, I can't figure out how or why or what the backstory of this is. Let's post it up on Facebook. Crowdsource information. Crowdsource the information and see what we can find out. So one gentleman who had attended Expo when Alvin Gottlieb had done like a little seminar, just a little nugget dropping of information, had specifically talked about this game. And essentially the story came to us as Alvin Gottlieb believed in this game, wanted it to get made, but couldn't get it through, wasn't going to happen. So a distributor – Nobody was jumping on board. Nobody was jumping on board. Except for one. House of Coil. One distributor in Canada came in and said, I want you to build these for me. I want – I think the original order was going to be for like $300 or something. So a batch of $100, a batch of $100, a batch of $100. So they get the first $100. They had to pay for them up front too, didn't they? They had to pay for all of them up front, had to spool up the line just to build these $100 games or whatever. Have you found out the price yet? That's the next thing we have to figure out. Yeah, I haven't gotten that far to figure out the SRP yet. What's your guess? Like $1,000? I don't know. $7,971. My dad said no games back in that time were anywhere near $1,000. If you're buying 30... But it's double of everything. It is. No, I'm not disagreeing. I'm thinking $1,000. That Space Mission in 76 MSRP was like $9 something. $940. In 76? Yeah, in 76. That was MSRP. Are we talking about MSRP? Are we talking about what he paid for? He's buying 100 of them. He has to get some kind of price break. Dude, some sort of price break. $700 a piece. Something like that, probably. So they take delivery of the first 100. Maybe it's 800, and that was way too much then, and that's why nobody wanted to buy them. Right. So they had to sell them, though, full price for over 1,000. I don't know. Because, like, what's he paying if he's going to sell them? If you're buying 100, you're going to sell them. In Canada, too, so what's the... Are we doing conversion? How many loonies and toonies is that? I have no idea. So they take delivery of the first 100, and... Somebody call Jeff Teoles. People are not super jazzed about this game. It is not the seller that they had hoped it would be and essentially puts this distributor out of business. Really? Oh, yeah. They go out of business. So then the gentleman, another person commented on the post that said that they're from that area in Canada. And when they got into pinball in like the 80s or 90s, that if you were going to find these, you would always find them in that area of Canada because they were just basically blown out at that point of like we have these hundred. like everybody locals like you need a coffee table this will work you need a dining room buffet it's long but apparently this alvin gottlieb seminar wasn't an official seminar the way that it was relayed to me was that someone was having a seminar alvin gottlieb was that or was that when he was talking about the second one so the second one what you're referring to is that when he interrupted or was it about challenger it was when he interrupted he talks about challenger and then also talks about, which we heard on Silver Ball, where Alvin Gottlieb does the AG soccer, the AG football. That was his second time. Which had to be like late 80s, 90s, right? Is that what we figured on that? Right, because it was after they had Alvin G and Co. Correct. So he literally basically... He believed in this concept so much. So much that he tried it multiple times. Sitting on the beach in the Bahamas. And multiple times this concept of a two-player pinball machine crashed and burned so hard. We watched it at Cleapen, and it got just as much action. I mean, maybe not as many plays, but it was consistently getting played. But there's no solo mode in that game. No, that's the problem. You can only play... People would walk up to it, and they'd just kind of cock their heads. I saw one guy try to play it myself, so I played it. Oh, okay. I think I get it, and then they would start playing it. It makes sense. So there's more information still to come and to be found, but that's kind of... It'll be at PGX. It will be. So October 3rd. Is that next weekend? It is. October 3rd, 4th, and 5th. So next Thursday, a week from tomorrow. We'll be setting up on Thursday the 2nd. All right. Friday the 3rd at 2 p.m. You can get your passes at the door. They're about $40 a person, but it gets you full access to FreePlay Arcade, FreePlay Pinball area. There's a whole hall of vendors for retro gaming, tabletop gaming, board games. They have concerts, they have speakers They have people doing autographs If you beat Jeff at a game of your choice You'll win a prize I'm going to be bored already I not going to be bored We going to have a good time A game of Jeff choice And right a game of Jeff choice Okay that fine I want to just get things interesting And that game of my choice is going to be Mario Factory Mario Bros Ooh it glitched out That means I win Read the fine print. Sorry. You signed up. You know what happens. But yeah, third, fourth, and fifth come out. Ball save. Immediate ball save. There are pinball tournaments running each one of the days. There's a lot of stuff going on. Yeah, there's a lot going on. Are we ready to make the big announcement for PGX? This would literally be the first that anyone is hearing of this. About that game. So Stern has taken care of us. Yeah, Alex Eddy. And on the very first day of the new Star Wars Fall of the Empire. Yeah. The acronym for it, when they sent the email about it, I'm like, what the fuck are they talking about? F-O-T-E. Ellie's ship today, today being September the 24th. How many days before you post this? I'll post it tomorrow Tomorrow Sunday Will be the LE So we're going to have the Star Wars Fall of the Empire RPG So we're going to open one up Bring it to the show and it will be available For some lucky person To take home They take it home that's fine but I also wouldn't be fine if they didn't Because I also like the backup plan So yeah you guys can buy it And it will be available at a show special So you can email Now, Corbin, you're $25 off. I don't think that Corbin gets enough emails from this podcast. I just want to take the extra time. It's C-O-R-B-I-N at madpinball.com. Yeah, for sure, for sure. And he will hook you up with that show special. Absolutely. We're also going to have it. We're going to do it. So, yeah, before – we'll definitely get this up before Saturday. Saturday, September the 27th starting at noon we might as well do some shit with it also if you just want to come there and buy it as a brewery special no no no you have to fucking move it again we'll have Harry Potter Wizard Edition like how thanks Star Wars Fall of the Empire LE Will Turner Merlin yeah for sure it's at the dock, it was raining today so I didn't pick it up yeah so we're going to have If yours came in, then. Then absolutely. This will be the production version, so there's supposed to be some additional enhancements and code features. Yep, that'll be on the list for sure. I don't think I'm going to take the PGX, though. Is it on the list? No, why would you? Yeah, we're going to have to prototype it. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to need you to switch it somewhere. Yeah, for sure. Before the games we have to pull. Absolutely. Maybe like D&D. So talking about the Hexa Ninja Eclipse. Oh boy, the double bangers. So we'll have... I have a different idea for that. The traveling tour of Hexa Space Hunt and Merlin's Arcade. So it finished its run at the Rochester Pinball Collective. They did their tournament, all of that fun stuff. And now it has arrived at Nickel City Pinball in Buffalo, New York. Has anyone played it and thought they wanted to buy one yet? So I've got some interesting emails about both of the games. Just curious. The Hexa Space Hunt. Merlin, I bet. Or which one more so? No, which one more so? The most questions I've had have been about the Space Hunt. And that's been since you've added them to the website, I've been able to direct them there to be like, hey, the Classique Edition, these are what you get with that. The Elegance Edition, that's what you get on this. So I've had a lot of questions of that. The main one being gameplay in English to where, you know, hey, four-player game, you know, like a live stream sort of situation because apparently – Someone doing it or – So I'm trying, I'm endeavoring to get it done while it's at Nickel City because Nick and Kevin have their setup there. So it would be awesome if they could leverage that and then we could put that out there for people to see. And then we wouldn't have, people wouldn't have to watch us play it, which would be the real win for everyone. It's a fun game. It is a fun game. We just make Zach play it anyways. We could just make Zach play it over and over and over. but they're both at nickel city now the bells and chimes event was actually this past sunday that has been completed and now this weekend will be the the main event and then after that they'll hop in the van and make their way down to pgx wait is dave gonna be okay to drive him so dave will be okay to drive he just can't move stuff have we talked about dave all right so i mean People know Dave. PSA here, people. Health in general, men's health, whatever it is. Go get your annual physical. Do whatever. Two of our pinball friends this past weekend. Is there any comments in the games they got? I don't know. We need to figure this all out. Our friend in Buffalo. They both got American games or something. Sam. I'm sorry. Our friend in Buffalo, Dave Sousa, emergency appendectomy. He normally gives a Carl Weathers report from there. He does. but now we're just going to have to get it from the hospital, which is not exciting. And then down in the Carolinas, Sam Bowman had to have his gallbladder out, emergency surgery. What do they do when they pull your gallbladder out? I don't know. He said it was infected, and he was – You only have one of those, right? You have just the one gallbladder. But they don't know what it does. It's one of those things. It's like another one of those filter things, right? It's like a flap. I don't know. A flap. I feel like people know more about the gallbladder than the appendix or something. I don't think it's a whole lot of things. They're both filtering systems So it's gone now? He just doesn't have one? Yeah, he can live without it He can live without a lot of things One kidney, no gallbladder, no appendix, whatever I don't know about this But anywho, get yourself checked out If you're not feeling well, go get checked out Bad things can happen Both of these gentlemen were like Oh, I don't want to go, I don't want to whatever Dave ended up going in the freaking ambulance Sam ended up He documented it with pictures It's all badness But let's not let this end badly for people. I mean, Dave, I was just wondering when you're going to get my play field back to me. I'm just kidding. Get to work. I was going to ask you if you wanted to do my, what was that game? Oh. Alien Star. The Alien Star. Did you see the reel he did of the Alien Star play field? Yeah, that's what I want to send to mine. That thing looks sick. Mine should be, mine's not going to be too much work, I don't think. The one that's like falling The one that was raccoon infested Yeah the coons are gone They tore that building up dude They did It was like Like nightmare shit inside They had a party Yeah Inside of the It was like this garage We went through a lot of stuff There was a lot of games out there We took a lot of stuff still But we just Last time someone moved this game It took six guys to lift it up Oh, that's one of those Aerosmith... Gun games. You shot like gold. Yeah. Three player. What's the girl from Penn's Mechanicals? She loves that game. Stacey. Stacey said that's her secret pleasure or whatever. She loves that game. Snow Moon. They have two down there, but the soundboard isn't the problem. The gun doesn't work. I'm like, oh, what? Give me that soundboard. It's not a separate soundboard on that. It's on the main board, the sound. Right, where the battery just destroyed it. Exactly. Yeah, they're all like that. Unfortunately. If anybody has one, we could use it. Thanks. Anyway. Email me. He spelled it earlier. You know what to do. Roll back ten minutes. I think Stacey finished in the top four at Cleapin in the women's tournament. She was there? Yeah, she was there. She didn't even come say hi? She said hi to me. People don't know what you look like. Krista placed well in the women's. I had at least three people thank me for helping. They did. Helping them move their Elton John's on their stairs Thanks again man I'm like no problem Anytime dude I love moving Elton John's up and down stairs Email Corbin at madpinball.com I'll be right there But yeah that was Garrett That thought that Kyle was you But speaking of customer appreciations We went out this Sunday To Casey Butler PA And got the full treatment from Mike and his family so we had a play field to swap out and some other adjustments to make and since it was an early morning service call we got the full spread so two things about that the meat was good sausage and bacon waffles waffles were really good everything was good she was talking about freezing those waffles and I honestly thought as we were leaving I was going to get a little goodie bag that's what I was hoping for I didn't want to, you know, we ate two waffles each. I didn't want to over, you know, I never know. I tried to do my dishes. She was like, no, I got it. So we went in, checked. He does some good body work on cars, it looks like. So what do you have in there? Like a Durango SRT8 situation and then a Porsche. Something cool. Something, something, something. Dude, one of those newer Durangos tried to race me driving down Whipple today. But like, no, no, it was bumper to bumper traffic going to the BV. It was pouring the rain. It's like, where are we going to go, bud? Like, I'm down, but like, not right now. I love how we actively alienate everyone in the car community. It's like, oh, typical Dodge behavior, typical Mustang behavior, typical everything behavior. We saw Mustang. There's state facts, okay? Yeah. Dude, there's stereotypes for a reason. Yeah. So what were you talking about before? Nothing, just customer appreciation and, you know. Oh, yeah, we went out there. It's just completely unexpected. Cool cars. Yeah, the food was very much appreciated. And then we get downstairs and he's got Comet. The taxi was super cool. So there's an interesting thing on this taxi. Talk about the taxi. And I've been thinking, like, I kind of want this taxi. Like, does anyone want something like that? I knew you were going to say that. So on the taxi place. That's what you need. It has. Okay, it has both. It has in front of the three bank you have to hit to, you know, pick her up. It says Maryland. Lola. Or it says Lola up there. Down on the center of the play field, it says Maryland. Hmm. A mixed. That's weird. That's so weird. I've seen a lot of Maryland's I've seen a lot of Lola's and everyone always says oh the Maryland's rare but I swear I've seen more Maryland's than Lola's but either way this one had both is it maybe something you just never noticed no I absolutely haven't but that's something I would look at I always look and see if it's a Maryland or a Lola it's the first time I've ever seen it being a mixed interesting the clear coat job on that was It's questionable. Yeah. But interesting print. Because that was from, I mean, Factory. How did that slip out like that? That's so weird. There, I have so many questions about things like that. It almost goes back to, you know, those times to current times now with like Harry Potter and all of your derpy dragons and your non-derpy dragons and whatever. I literally saw that. I mean, did Ted not modify his stencil properly when they were self-screening that or what? I don't know. I saw a Jersey Jack ad the other day And it was featuring zoomed in on the part And it was like a derby dragon And I was like I was like what But the new ones that we've seen coming out Don't have it No I don't know Should we tell them No We should not tell them Have we been on here since we played Star Wars did we talk about Star Wars last time Let's talk about our trip. We should talk about our trip. The whole trip. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So as we always do, if you're new to the program, Corbin and I don't just make a drive to wherever. Like, we have to loop other things in, too. So we were already going to go to Chicago because we had been invited with the other dealers and distributors and whatever else. And you've gone before, and you and Zach went. I never got to go. Zach and I went to D&D, yeah. So we were like, we're already going to Chicago, but we also have these games that need delivered. That are kind of on the road. Kind of completely out of the way if you make the right turn. So we're in Chicago via West Virginia this time. Chicago via like down in the Cincinnati area. Kentucky, New Albany, Indiana. So you guys wanted to take like 12 hours. It was like five hours there and five hours up in Chicago. Which wasn't terrible. It wasn't terrible. No, it was fine. So we had a Data East Tommy that went to David Rowland, And he and his fiancee are super excited about that game. They're even putting pin sound in it, doing all kinds of stuff. So that game should be rocking very soon. Did you have any thoughts on the whole extra flipper cutouts and stuff? As he dug into it, he told me that he was going to give me a full report on his thoughts of it. Just curious. But whenever we lifted the play field, or whenever he lifted the play field, he said the same as you, that everything looked factory. Like this is how it was. It wasn't somebody else did that, yeah. It wasn't some hack job or whatever else. So that should be showing up at Our Lady of Perpetual Hops. And David also got a Star Wars Fall of the Empire premium that will also be showing up on location down there. So we delivered the Tommy to him and then we went over to George. We went to George's to Empire Comics. Yeah, yeah. That's a cool spot. Which is a comic book trading card. Pinball. Pinball now has pinball. So he had, what, eight games in there now? Eight or nine, yeah. And he was adding in a Stern Dark Knight. Cool game. We set that one up, made some little tweaks, did all of that stuff, but they were doing some pretty heavy renovations. Seems like it's a random game. He has an Evil Dead down there. He did. He had Evil Dead. He had Dungeons and Dragons. He obviously had that Dark Knight. All kinds of... Some cool... It wasn't your normal walk-in. It's just eight Stern Pros. There were some interesting things going on in there. So if you're in the new Albany, Louisville, Kentucky area, Check out Empire Comics. They have the new pinball room. Yeah, very cool. So then in his personal game room, George was getting, was he getting two? Oh, yeah, we unboxed two there. Harry Potter. Harry Potter Wizard Edition. Was it a wizard? It was a wizard. And then a King Kong or a Jaws or something. And then a King Kong Premium. Yeah, King Kong. Because that King Kong went next to his Jaws because then it was like, this is a nice little L1 double feature here. So that was a nice little... Godzilla, that would have really rounded it out. I feel like he's had a Godzilla that's went through there. Because then we took in that Bond Ellie. So anyone out there that's looking for a nice condition, you want to keep them all. Yeah. A nice James Bond Ellie, you can email. Don't email Corbin at madpinball.com because he'll ignore you or give you some insane price on it. Email Jeff at madpinball.com. 16 seems fair. We'll get you taken care of. I'm just kidding. So then we hop back in the truck and we drove to Chicago. Into Chicago. We got in, like, honestly, on the way in. Good time. Didn't hit any traffic. Surprisingly, because on the way out, we got fucked on the way home. It wasn't great on the way home. Yeah, we got into Chicago by, like, what, 7, 8 o'clock? Checked into the hotel and then we're like, hey, let's go play some pinball. Let's go somewhere new. Initially, I was like, hey, Logan's only this far away. And Corbin's like, eh, Logan's great, but I really want to try something new. So we went to Chicago Billiards, Chicago, which was a very cool spot. And we ended up meeting Don over there. Yeah. On of Don's pinball podcast. And apparently league was going on while we were in there. Yeah. So we weren't allowed to play close to other people. Um, but they had a really interesting lineup in there. They had a bad girls. They had a bad girls. They had a Dolly Parton. They did. And pulp. They had cactus, uh, Star Trek, I won it on record I took a picture of this I beat Jeff at a Star Trek He did Was it a pro? It was a pro It played nice We played Next Gen We played a lot of games We were there until they threw us out There was an easy hour from 11 to midnight They were still open but no one else was here They just kept coming over and glancing at us They wouldn't just glance They would clean up a table near us And then come a little closer And clean up another table closer to us and then another one, and then another one. This guy ate all the cupcakes that were sitting there. There were no cupcakes. No, there was no food to be. I mean, Jeff got like a bunch of wings. I got down on some appetizers and whatnot. Yeah, for sure it was chow window. Then the next day, so we went there, did that. It was a good time. I like it. It was a cool spot. It was a cool spot. I would go back. I would absolutely go back. I feel like the league format they had was also interesting. It was like that was their home. Traveling league. It was traveling. I think that was the home team there, but I'm not sure. So you play at your home, then you play at other places and you get scores. I think a lot of the other places were places more like Logan. Like they were all the other normal places. Probably more like a, like a dart league does like dart league. I think they travel a lot. Okay. I don't know too much about it, but it seems like a similar format. Okay. It was interesting. Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's into new places. So maybe we should ask Tom about that. He would actually know. Yeah. Yeah. Tom Chiketti. He, we saw Tom at Cleveland. We saw so many. I can't just shout out everyone we saw because we saw so many faces. So, yeah, we went there on Monday night, and then Tuesday went to Stern. We did. Patty Stern's house. The Traveling Pinball League is Chicago Billiard Cafe, Logan Arcade, Interium, Microphone Brewing. Okay, all the places. Elston Electric. Those are the spots. We have never been to Elston Electric. That's the one that's only open on when there's a concert going on or something. Oh, okay. Or a league. We have to slip in on the league. We do need to slip in on the league. I got an IFPA number. Same. What's up? You want to see it? You want to see my card? I always get a kick out of that when they shout out something. They're like, world-ranked pinball player, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, I'm world-ranked, too. Me, too. I just happen to be number 40,000. No, I'm like a hundred and twenty thousand. But I'm on the ranks. I'm in there somewhere. So we go over to Stern. Yeah. And so let's tell the non-pinball part of this story because I feel like that's way more interesting than the pinball parts. We pull in and we see two interesting little cars. There's like a Z3 that's done up like a can ball run. It's a Z3 coupe, like a hard top coupe. Oh, it's like the hard top coupes. Yeah. Because you see that little convertible. Oh, yeah. The hard top's cool. Yeah, yeah. And then there was a fucking weird looking. They are. They are. It was done up like a little road rally kind of vibe exactly that was you always think like it should like the thing should slide so you get out of it Yeah Don use the door That would be so cool if the top was like Batman Ejector seat Ejector seat, cuz. And then there was a green lotus. So as we're walking by, Corbin and I were both eyeing them up. Checking them out. We go into Stern. We check out. So which one was Borg's? That's the good part of the story. So Star Wars is obviously a Borg game. And I think when we were talking to the tech department, we were joking like, hey i bet john drives like an i-rock or something like that you know something from the 80s monte carlo and they're like yeah man he has like a car like that so at the end whenever we're leaving john is out there having a uh yeah he's filling up his nicotine bar we still talk to him smoking even without you we didn't even have to smoke cigarette and he was looking at either the z3 or the lotus or like oh you know one of these yours he's like oh no no neither of these are mine i'm like all right well i don't want to offend you but like i have this this vision that you know you have like 80s monte carlo super sport or something like that and he's like oh no actually i have a 1980 uh corvette yeah and he went into a pretty deep uh he talks about that for a minute for sure description of all of the somebody back a truck driver backed into it once he's the engine he thinks he blew the engine out on it now so he's like well it's a chance to rebuild it better right it's an upgrade time yep so when we were inside gary stern comes in and he He has this big bandage on top of his head. And then he was wearing a walking boot. And it's like, man, like someone, you know. I said, I said, Kerry, we were outside and we were leaving. We're like, Kerry. What was he skiing in the Alps? I was like, Kerry, man, what happened? You getting a fire? What's up? You a little beat up? He's like, yeah, it's called a 800 pound Harley and some gravel. Oh. So he, he, this is the story he told. He said he bought a raffle ticket for $25 for a brand new Harley. Won the Harley. ended up putting $8,500 into it though because he wanted to set it up right the way he wanted it lowered it, different lights, different seats whatever, you know gets it out then is riding it hits the gravel, which gravel will get you it will and laid it down on top of his leg and got a little scratch, couldn't pick it up or whatever so yeah we talked to him for a while about riding and the motorcycle it was just interesting to talk to him about that I think it is always interesting to talk to some of the pinball insiders about things that aren't pinball. Yeah. Because I think they're used to just getting the same probably. For sure. This was my first visit to the new Stern factory, so that was cool too. Talk about it. It was a lot. I mean, it has a serious machine they have built there. Like, they have a lot of, I mean, there's probably 100 people working on the factory line. You've got to feed the beast. Like, it was nonstop. Like, people, like, so we actually ended up. As we do. We went on the tour or whatever, did that whole thing. then we were trying to pick up a game but they were on lunch so we just wandered in the factory. We had a little bit of... No, we weren't on Tinder. Everything was good. I don't want to say this. Who knows who's listening. We just waited until they got off lunch and then picked up our game. We were just hanging out back at the dock. There was a lot of interesting games. There was games labeled for... Some of them were actors from some of the movies. One was John Wick. I've got to back up. There's all kinds of new and boxed games sitting everywhere and they have like tents on top of them and the tents then have like you know um some of some licensors or so one for example was for john wick premium new in box there was one for ian mcshane who is the one who does uh he didn't he didn't qualify for an le but he got a premium he's the main guy that does all of the guides you through the game but if you watch the john wick movies he's the one who's like the main guy or whatever for the continental the manager The manager And then what else did we have They had a bunch of games that they had New in box that they were going to use for Riot Fest Which was cool to see The 001 LEs Were all from Foo Fighters A good number of titles back Dungeons and Dragons, X-Men King Kong, Venom There were a ton of them Are we allowed to talk about this stuff? That's not any sort of private thing I mean, it's a normal licensing deal. They would have had them covered up if they didn't want you to look gawking at them or anything. Yeah, it's nothing, any sort of special thing. Even look back at, like, Roadshow. Who was the country music's... Carly Carter. Yeah. Because we saw her managers. Like, when I picked up Airborne from that guy, he happened to have the manager's Roadshow. It's a normal licensing agreement that, like, I know... Includes the games. Kevin Smith has been on record of saying, like, I don't think he was actually paid for, or at least not the majority of his voice acting for D&D. they gave him a game or games. That GTF guy never got paid for anything. He's got like 20 GTFs. We're not going to talk about that. We'll keep that on the down low. He got paid something, sort of. Yeah. I think multiple people have been paid. Also, I mean, we were playing in their little party room, which was super cool. Like, the bar is made out of playfields. The walls are made out of playfields. Words and videos don't do it justice. It's so sick, that room. It's so awesome. It was pretty cool. And shout out to Ray Day. We were sitting there talking or something, and he said something to Jeff like... He's like, mad pinball. I know you guys. He's like, fresh. Yeah, it was super cool. It was so random. So it's cool to know that a few people over at the factory occasionally tune into the program. Shout out. Love everything. Love the hard work that you guys put in. We got to see the tech department too, which was super... That was a very exciting part of the tour. because those guys are always helping us out, fixing stuff. That's a knowledge base right there. Getting to talk to them and putting a face to the name and everything. Some of the stuff they were saying was cracking me up about Pennside. Terror sons of bitches. They had test rigs all the way back into the 80s for that stuff. I'm sure they're going to be mad that I'm sharing that they have it all up there, but they have it all. It was pretty cool. I thought it was interesting to hear that Pablo. Seeing stuff on the screen. They had stuff all the way through. That's what you're telling me is if I need my Laser Wars CPU. Dude, he said they have the Data East stuff. They have all the Data East with the Sega sticker over the Data East labels. Oh, yeah. I thought that was hilarious. Yeah. It was cool. It was very cool. So that was fun. The food they provided us wasn't bad. I mean, I didn't eat any of it. I didn't eat any of it either. I'm not a big breakfast person. Yeah. We had already had the hotel. The continental breakfast. Yeah. So we play the game. We do all the stuff. We actually got to play the game. Well, how was it? Eh, whatever. We'll talk about it. Everyone's talking about that right now. Why wouldn't we play? Like, after we actually get some real time on it, let's talk about it. I'll just say this. It's Star Wars. It's Star Wars in its health. It feels like everything about it feels like smacks you in the face Star Wars. Are we going to add anything to this that no one's not? No, I really don't. You'll see it. You all play it. If you want to play it, come play it Sunday. Or Saturday. What, a thousand movie clips and whatever they said, like an hour worth of video, all the odd. I mean, if you want Star Wars, you get Star Wars. You get everything you want in the game. So we leave there. And of course, we go to the same Portillo's that Zach and I went to. We're walking into Portillo's. And did we run into somebody on the way in and then somebody on the way out? I feel like we saw two people while we were there. We were on the way in when we saw the other person. On the way in was when we saw, what's his name? Elwin? The same hat, yeah. So Corbin's wearing his electric playground attack from Mars hat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And as we're walking out, Keith Elwin's walking in, and he is also... No, we're walking in. He's walking out. Okay. And he's also wearing the exact same hat. I was like, yo, man, nice hat. Which I thought was pretty hilarious. Then inside, we saw someone else, but I don't think you like that person, so... Yeah, maybe. I don't remember. We'll talk about it off podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like everyone. No, no, no. You liked them. You liked them, but we were like... We already talked about it. We won't talk about it again. So let's talk a little rotation. I think it's time. I think we've mentioned before that we have this game, our intentions with the game. Corbin, over the last couple of weeks, you've taken it upon yourself, as you often do, to really take a deep, deep dive in with this game. So maybe you could kick it off with some of your thoughts, insights from being on the inside. And I can add some historical portions. It's a very crazy game. So describe it for someone who wouldn't know what rotation 8 is Okay so it's a cocktail table 8 sided As it turns out We are currently We're currently sitting at Dining room table chair height And it's about the same height as it So we're all sitting around it All four of us are able to sit around it at the same time It has a play field How wide do you think this is? 3 feet 3 to 4 feet Apparently it's wider than your door Yeah, we'll measure and see if it fits in the car But anyway, so it's about three feet wide And it's a play field So, you know, there's four different They're labeled four different directions North, south, east, and west Each side has a start button So we can all hit start And we can all start our things And each side has flipper buttons But the flipper buttons are shared We all have our own plungers And basically, so let's say I hit the start button first I'm player one, start the game Play my ball, drains then it moves. You don't move, the play field rotates underneath in the glass. It's insane. To whoever the player 2 is, and player 3, and player 4, and it just rotates around for all your balls. You all play your games. That's it. It's insane. You share flipper buttons. Whoever presses first, first, goes first. It's all based on direction. Yes. But then whoever presses the button second, goes second. and it actually remembers it. And it doesn't have to be the same every time. It can be one and then across. It can be in order of you. It can be reverse order. It does not matter. It remembers. It returns to your position when it is your turn to play, which is so fucking cool. So this is the arcade model, which is the sit-down version. Which is the only one that really ever got made. And it's 38 inches wide at its widest point. So then the cocktail version, which was supposed to be on the tall legs, was supposed to be 31 inches wide. Wait, how? I know, right? So the cabinet was different? Everything would have to be different. Not just the cabinet, because... So that's a solid... There's a reason that game was never made. Because it would have been all different parts. There would be no way none of this would have worked. Different playfield, even. Yeah, it had to be a completely different... Everything would have to be different. We could make taller legs. So after this flop, you're like, yeah, we're not worrying about the cocktail version of this. So from the flyer, it's Midway's Rotation 8, a revolutionary new concept in pinball design. Rotation 8, the world's only pinball table with a rotating playfield. Notice how they call it a table here, folks. So pinball can be referred to as tables. In the rotating system, it senses where it is. It's very cool. It's two parts. One is like a decoder on top of the shaft itself and so you have to program that. I took this thing all the way apart, put it back together, and when you do it, you have to reteach it. the positioning like the exact positioning so you right get it where you know where everything was zero it's very very precise it is because then it'll come in and then it'll go so there's like the reflectors on the side with like an opto kind of thing which kind of like an air hall effect sensor almost yeah yeah so it senses it has like a pattern so it sends someone's getting close gets you in the center range and then the decoder locks it into the center so it's a two-part very interesting system though But yeah, it describes it as one to four players can play in any sequence. Yeah, you can play it by yourself. Yep. Four shooter rod housings, four dual action flipper buttons, like you alluded to. Some of those are shared between players. Which is an awesome, it's just insane technology. Yeah, but still, it's not like it's awkward. No, not at all. Because they still are just like where you would think they would be. Total memory recall system, solid or striped competition, two bank shot lanes out hold bonus it remembers because at the end of the game it goes around and taunts all the scores in front of each of the players like when it makes it to the end it'll go show you show me show jeff show zach it goes around stops and says like you suck on to the next on to the next listen to this this is this is something straight out of the 70s that is is amazing roadie rotating play field but a stationary tabletop drinks ashtrays and etc do not move Exactly. That's amazing. Flashing score for player up. Playfield rotates to each position after game over so players can see all scores. Two coin shoots at opposite sides of the table. Players never leave their seats to play rotation. You don't have to. You can just sit here and play. What year is this? 78. This is 78. Challenger 71. Oh, you're right. You're right. You're right. Yeah, that's why I was like... Round rotating play field patterned after the world famous Bally 8 ball. Striped or solid competition. Three flippers. One kick out. Which it is like these are supposed to be teams if you read the instruction card. North and east and southwest. That's pretty hilarious. Yeah. This is pretty phenomenal. So talk about like the boards and some of that stuff. Very unique board sets. Yeah. Yeah, it's not something that's just off the shelf that they used for repurposed. No, no, no, it's not used for anything else. So the whole thing is driven by a set of like finger switches, like contact switches that run along the bottom. So when I pulled the whole thing out, so you pull the top off, and then the whole core, like you can basically pick the whole core straight up out of here, and you take a couple bolts out, and the whole thing comes straight out. And then you can break it apart into different layers, like there's a false bottom, and then that's what travels across. And so in there, I had to clean up all the contacts and then reposition them because a lot of them were all like not making good contact. And that's why when you'd have it in like the west position, the right flipper wouldn't work. But then when it was in the south position, it would work as the left, but it just wasn't making – different ones weren't making contact. It's like a player step promoter in EM. Yeah. It's like – I mean because it's 78. So you're still in a time where you're like meeting solid state. It's just a very new thing. Right. E.M.s are like still very – there's still E.M. elements in the game. But it's a smart way to do it because of it rotating. That's the way you can – and you don't have to worry about the wires or whatever. That's where it's traveling through. But that's why it was giving you bad power in some spots. It's just a matter of getting them all good contact all the time. You know how we often talk about other manufacturers, spies, people who, hey, I worked here and now I work there. Like the whole when Theater of Magic and Pinball Magic came out essentially at the same time. So apparently there was something similar with this that I'm just now seeing. So the only other solid state rotating play field game was also in 1978. Okay. Made by the Valley Companies, and it's called Spectra 4. Oh, but you rotate it yourself. Correct. It's that weird square one, right? Yep. We need one of those too, but yeah. I think the players have to automatically rotate. I think you have to hand crank it if I'm remembering. Apparently, this wasn't even a new idea. In the 1930s, there was an EM by Rotor Table Game Incorporated called Confucius Say, which I need to find some images on and whatnot. That sounds fucking sweet. It sounds racist as hell is what it sounds like. But yeah, so there were in the same year two different. That definitely feels like a pinball magic thing. So interestingly on. I have seen one of those. On Pinside, the design on this is not accredited to anyone. So I had to go to IPDB to really find artists, mechanics, designer, all of that. So I found the designer is credited as Ron Halliburton. So I'm like, all right, well, what else did Ron Halliburton do? What other sort of interesting things? All wild and like off the wall, just stuff that you wouldn't expect. So the first one is called from 1977. so the year before rotation 8 and it's called Bigfoot it's an electromechanical game that is this is Bally 19 I'm sorry it is 4 feet wide and 8 feet long it's like a Hercules dude that thing's holy shit what are we looking at oh yeah so 4 feet wide by 8 feet long, six score reels per player, all of that. But the physical measurements of this game were originally given to us confirmed by as four feet by ten feet in one picture showing with the coin door. But the game started as a handmade prototype game made by designers Ron Halliburton and Jack Pearson of Arcade Engineering. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Jim Patla stated he was pretty certain the game was sent the game sent was Bally's 75 bow and arrow based on play filled similarities between the two games but yeah this seems like a Hercules sort of situation Hercules was Solid State? 79 was Hercules and it is Solid State correct so in that same era Bally decided not to put this game into production and it went back to Arcade Engineering who then sold the rights to Atari who then made their giant game Hercules So it was, okay. So literally Bigfoot became Hercules. Oh, yeah, that Confucius say thing is wild. But it's almost like you took like a tiny little Pachinko style machine and like integrated it into a table. Yeah, it looks like you just grab the handles and spin maybe. Very interesting. So those are two of them, Rotation 8 and then Bigfoot, which is a wild game. So then the other two were both Allied Leisure pieces, one of them called scuba diving i'm sorry not called scuba diving it is called sea hunt which is a scuba diving themed one it's the one that you walk up to and it has the two handles on either side and you're playing pinball and it's like through a mirror so that's another one maybe they have one of the vw maybe yeah yeah i feel like i played it there maybe and then the other one is called Spooksville, which is a similar sort of setup. So this guy is just literally... Doing the weird off-the-wall stuff. I mean, I don't want to speak ill of the dead. I'm imagining that he was doing... I mean... We know he's dead? If he was at his peak designing games in the late 70s So he was in his 20s 30s at that point I guess I shouldn kill someone that not dead I guessing some illicit drugs were being done while these games were being What if we just jumbo-size it? What if we just take pinball and we make it way freaking bigger? Really big. What if we take pinball and then you can stand up and put it up against the wall and then you can get really close and play through a mirror? Okay, so the rotor table thing Those playfields Are interchangeable You can buy a different play field Different play field And drop it in the table To change the game It's going to be hard to find one of these, isn't it? I think there might be some challenges It's 1936 You might have some In one of your Your dad likes to stack up cocktail machines Oh yeah, one of those Did you look underneath the stairs? exactly that sounds very familiar no i'll go look could be around here somewhere i got boards to it upstairs though don't worry don't worry interesting so i thought it was interesting to just see that in this phase in this era it's like no ideas they're trying everything they're literally trying everything they you know are putting these things into some semblance of production, throwing things against the wall, seeing what sticks. This one was a weird number, like 800 or something. Let me confirm that. It was an interesting number. It was no more than 1,000 for sure. And we know a lot of them could not have survived. They're just, again, I hate to speak ill, but it's like they're not exactly like the easiest to work on. There aren't a lot of available parts. For sure. and the design was that you were supposed to the way you were supposed to work on it is you pick the entire core you pull the core out and set it on the bench and it's like on location that's not realistic just so we're clear it does have each of the doors there's a red button you push the button and it homes itself so that you can get easy access to the boards through the door but you're not doing anything without pulling the thing out like anything real you're not taking anything out I don't see any production numbers anywhere that I'm looking on Rotation 8. I must have an article I read. Yeah, it could be. I mean, there's a lot of good information out here, but I'm not seeing anything that's giving those sort of production numbers. It's cool as shit. It's cool as hell, man. It is. It's been really fun to get to work on it. I mean, as far as any pinball goes, it's probably one of the coolest things I've ever seen, honestly. Plays good. Plays fine. A few little bugs are, you know, working with those inserts are all sunken in a little bit. We really should strip it and clear it. This thing's in mint condition. Yeah. So whenever I dropped off Space Hunt in Merlin's Arcade out at the Rochester Pinball Collective, they had a rotation aid, and it looked like it had been through the wringer because all of the faux wood grain paneling veneer was off of it, so they painted it red. This is hardwood, Jeff. Yeah. Fine mahogany. Mahogany. And then I took a look at their play field, and I mean, there was... Probably about half of the playfield art left behind, which really made me appreciate. This one's so clean, this one. The whole thing, cabinet. I mean, as we talked about before, it feels very much like it broke very early on and then just got shoved into a corner. That was that. And that was that. False Europe. So subsequently, kind of in that same vein of weird rotating pedestal type games, I was doing a solo delivery where I was just dropping off a Godfather LE to a local customer. Customer pops open the garage door and inside the garage, there's a small arcade. There's some little one ups. There's some classic arcade games. And then I see something that I've never seen before. and it was a grand products grand baseball so i'll post up a picture or several pictures i have three pretty decent ones of this thing and it's a pedestal in a was it taller than this it was yeah because i could stand at it comfortably and play it so it was definitely taller than this but it was like imagine like a cylindrical fish tank but inside there there was a a pitch and bat with a baseball diamond and it had a little dispenser that would dispense a tiny little nylon ball that would then feed around in front of an arm where you'd hit this button and then it would shoot the ball out, you know, single, double, out, whatever. Well, the cool thing was it wasn't static like Slugfest or other ones to where you just hit the same flags all the time or whatever. It was literally a bunch of triggers that would then rotate around and then based on which one you hit, and the positioning would then score whatever you got. Sounds very cool. Sounds like one of the hockey dome ones, but baseball almost. Absolutely. It was that same sort of vibe. So then when I started to dig into that a little bit, it turns out that game was the same designer as Challenger. I thought it was this guy. As Rotation 8. Rotation 8, I'm sorry, as Rotation 8. You just got that Challenger on your mind. No, literally. Yeah, I can't get it out of my mind. So it's like all of these weird things all seem to be like this small group of people that just... Us build weird stuff. Weird cool stuff. Like what company can we sink next? All right. Brand products, you're up next. Is this bad that we're so attracted to failure stuff? No. I don't know. I don't think it's bad. I think it's cool in the sense that like... We're investing in some real winners. I hate to tell you, Corbin, but we like a lot of games that people don't do. That's fine. I'm okay with it. We have the other ones they like too, so they have to come see us to play the weird stuff to play the ones they want. Well, Grand Products. No, you've got to play Rotation 8 before you can play that Harry Potter. Exactly. Going to take your medicine first. But Grand Products went so deep into this pedestal thing, they thought, like, this is a real winner. They didn't just do on that the Grand Baseball. They also did another one that was called Thunderdrome and another one that is Four Kings, which is basically the same similar thing, but you're trying to make hands of cards. None of them rotate, though. None of them rotate that I can see, but take a look at the picture of this Thunderdrome one. Oh, wow. There's something actually made. It's like bot battles or something. Yeah, it looks a lot like the little RCs fighting each other. What were the ones where you pulled them? Beyblades. Yeah. Or something, right? I need some crisscross crash or some crossfire or something is what I really need. Isn't that wild, Kyle? That's weird shit, man. I know. And the Grand Products was like, yes, this is where we will invest our money. This is the future. A murderous grand spree. Right on the check. What do they need? He should have a speed factor that advances players' circle around the track against computer opponent. So I've found physical pictures of the baseball one and the cards one, the Thunderdrome one. I don't know that it ever made it past the flyer, though, because I've not seen any physical pictures of that one whatsoever. So I wonder if the other two. The card one looks great. They're like, no, you're not doing Thunderdome or whatever. You're going to go. Yeah. Some wild times on all of this. I love that there were some serious risks being taken. We should just take it serious We're supposed to make some dumb shit like that now And people will buy it 30 years from now No like now Hear me out Dollar toss We need to get that going again We did have We've got to cut something else out Because it's just taking up too much time We need time for penny toss Or dollar toss I think that I'm going What was that Anthony B. Susan toss Here's what we do I stopped selling pinball machines and go full time on the dollar toss how long are you going to need you get two weeks I was thinking two weeks HR is giving me two weeks I'll take what I can get then it's right back to the grind but then at the end I've got to have a working predator oh I mean there's expectations here gotta hit some benchmarks it's going to be like one of them cooking shows we're going to judge you at the end there's going to be a panel of judges and then he just blames it on Rosie You guys will be throwing cake at me. This was disgusting. This was disgusting. This is the best you could do? Oh, this is terrible. Maxinelli could have done better. But that's what I have on the rotation aid and the grand products and all of those other weird things going on. I'll post up some pictures and videos. But if you want to see these things in person, come to some of our events. Or bring them with us. Yeah, we have this traveling sideshow of freaks and geeks that we bring out to people, whether it's Rotation 8 or Challenger or Punny Factory. River Football had a great weekend at Cleapin. Talk about that, because I was really nervous after Zach's reports of it kind of acting funny after being turned on for a while. Especially since it left Zach's house, and then I took it to New Orleans for a while. Then I loaded it in the trailer and set it up at Cleapin. We put one head bolt in it. Yeah, and it worked all weekend. Because it had a long, long, long, long match. It's going over to PGX next. That thing just wants clean juice, man. Yeah, because it just wants clean juice. Cleapen was clean juice. How many times did the breaker trip? Only that dude kept putting his game in there. This old man was so cranky. He put his 61 arcade game. You see that guy? Yeah. He put it in on Sunday. Was it Sunday? We were gone. Every time we unplugged it, everything worked fine. He'd hustle over and we'd all cranky about it and plug it back in. Pop the breaker. Every time. So finally, he just threw it on the dolly and carted it out to his car. Bye. You've had enough. That's fine. Jesus. You didn't even ask us to put it in our booth. Another random tidbit that I just thought of. How about how quick Olympic tickets sold out? Oh, yeah. We haven't even touched on that. That's pretty quick. It was 14 minutes the year before. I wonder what it was like these basketball weeks before we started talking about it. First time I got them, it was, wait, it was not. It was like an hour. Yeah, easily. And then before that, it was like it would take days to sell out. So it's definitely, the popularity has grown. They bumped it up to 125 people this year. I'm wondering how that'll feel. It felt like they, but they said they were, they had big plans. There's a new scoring system because they needed, they were very adamant about past. I hadn't necessarily given them names in time. They needed them this year. They said, because our new scoring system. Interesting. I mean, you're not wrong. I haven't. I'm pretty sure I was Corbin Angelou. Noren is very right now. Because they tried to win a medal. I don't do it in time. They just put them all under me. Oh, yeah. There were some that were just like Anjali Guest or Anjali Number One. I put all your names in this time. Corbin Plus Five or whatever it was. Plus One, Plus Four. Hey, man, as long as I have a pass, that's all I care about. Throw the Globox in my car. Norn and I are picking him up from school on Thursday, head straight to Chicago, do some expo that night. Friday, hit expo all day. Saturday, Olympics, our brains out. I've already warned him about the Orange Gatorade Container No Very excited for Pinball Olympics Hey man, has this thing got flipper codes? It does, yeah It's got patterns Be careful, it might explode Self-destruct Activated Anything else you guys wanted to talk about before I So we have upcoming Unhitch this Saturday Yep, we talked about that We talked about PGX We talked about Expo We have Expo after that. The only thing we really haven't talked about is Pinsonati. How often does this thing chime? Every 15 minutes. Good Lord. You don't have a clock at your house? Not that kind of clock. Don't judge me. I'm not. Don't judge me, bro. See, that was one. So it's 15. 11, 15, yeah. This has got like some fucking robot comes out and tells you. Oh, oh, oh. Midnight Madness. Two things on Midnight Madness. Oh, yeah. On Handles? First and foremost, what is... So Handles is a local-ish ice cream chain. and I'm driving by. Did you go? I don't know when it is. It's 1128 right now. You better get rolling. Email. Zach, who should they email? Freshpimple at gmail.com. And let me know what you think Midnight Madness at an ice cream place is. It says it on the billboard. That's what he was trying to leave. Right out front, it just says Midnight Madness. And I'm like, do I have to bring my own Midnight Madness game? Is there just like a bunch of ice cream that I get to eat at midnight? I assume it's a flavor. Is there going to be a junkyard provider? How dare I guess How dare you have such a Likely thing for you to guess I'm very offended by this Midnight Madness on Ghostbusters Is at 7.48 So yeah we're at Finney's For some reason every time you turn it on So they probably turn it on at 4 And it starts at 8pm It starts right around 8pm Well it's perfect because obviously they're not open Past 9 so you get to enjoy it So it's me Me, Norn and I think Phil we're on Ghostbusters Premium. Noren's player two, Phil goes first. Noren gets on, and during ball one... Noren got it? Yeah, he gets it. There's some warning. It'll say something at the beginning of the game that's different than every other time, too. I didn't notice because I wasn't player one. It'll always say... Like it's imminent, like this is happening. There's some kind of warning. It gives it away. So I'm a little ways away, and I just see all the game lights still on, but the DMD go black. And it's like a good five count that the DMDs block. It takes a minute. It's one that definitely makes you think, like, is the game over? That's what I thought. I thought, oh, something went wrong. And then I start to stand up. And as I stand up. Did you start to stand up to yell at your son? No. Oh, you broke it again. He's going to call Corbin. As soon as I start to stand up, it then flashes in blue letters, Midnight Madness. I'm like, oh, man, you got it. So he ended up winning by a substantial margin. Gives you some points. Definitely was worth some points. I got it like two weeks ago, and I spent – I biffed the whole thing because I was explaining to the people I was playing with what the hell was going on. They're supposed to do this. Yeah. Oh, so third thing about Midnight Madness. So when I posted the Handel's picture with the Ghostbusters, someone commented on there, and we could probably ask since we have some inside sources that Evil Dead may or may not be getting a Midnight Madness mode. Update? If they do, I'd like to think that this is partially because of us. I know that some folks from Stern may be listening right now. Evil Dead? Who cares? Talk about Evil Dead. No, no, no. But if Spooky Pinball does Midnight Madness before Stern does again, they might take the pole position as my favorite manufacturer. You know how I feel. Because we've talked about it to him. I thought we explained it to one of them. We did. Like Luke or someone. We had a deep conversation about it. At Pinball at the Beach, we talked about it in depth. They do it. I'm bringing that game back home. I've been told by reliable sources that there's a very good chance that Evil Dead may or may not be game. Top burner. It's coming back to the house. Welcome. Come to the house. Yeah, poppy coffee. That's what I was just thinking. So I thought that was cool with the Midnight Madness stuff. Very interesting. And we saw Dwight the other day when we were in Chicago. We did. And I didn't ask him. Because Jeff was like, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it. He gets mad. three more years we can't add time on so we are yeah i'm already probably about a year in we're doing we're doing all right don't somebody else doesn't talked about that oh final event thing was that we haven't talked about was pensanati so first weekend in december we're going to be bringing all the non-stern stuff so evil dead will likely be that harry potter challenger rotation you know all the normal weird probably start well wait we said nonsense no star wars well the new stern by that point will be whatever the remastered game is so all the speculation on what that could be could be whatever i've been hearing strongly recently not that it would be a remastered but that next year stern might run batman 66 again just throw it back on the line just throw it back on the line we might buy one oh you would definitely buy one. I'm talking about business, that woman. Doesn't have a Jurassic Park, but he's out here adding rotation aids. How do you not have a Jurassic Park? I've got an idea for a Jurassic Park. I think the trade-ins might, that one that might be coming in might be, just makes sense to just keep it. Oh, the Pete one? We need to talk more about that trade parameters to get him some answers. For sure. Are we ready for final thoughts? Yeah. Kyle? Final thoughts, my friend? Go out and play some pinball. It's about to be nice and fall. Yeah, get your sweaters on. Get your hoodie on and go play some games. It's pinball season. I was telling Corbin all summer, I'm like, you just wait. End of August, beginning of September, they're going to turn that David Fawcett back on. He looked at me like I was more crazy than I usually am. I think Jeff's delusional sometimes. Here we are. He was born that way. Here we are. Final thoughts, Zach? Get out. Play Rotation 8 at Expo when we take it out there. Expo, PGX, Pinsonati. Play all the road to juneau Play the weird ones Get out there and play the weird ones For sure Final thoughts boss man Yeah nothing Yeah I think that's uh Schedule up some more deliveries Yeah always Should we talk about this cheap metallica remastered Nah we'll save that for another episode Yeah we got a nice used metallica if anybody needs one That was a Jeff Solo journey In and out in 14 minutes That's a record Efficiency Perfect I've started breaking it places to get them moving quicker My final thoughts are I'm going to go Bob Barker style here Make sure that you get your pets spayed or neutered Get your doctor checkup Yeah, go and get your annual checkup Go to the doctor Go to the doctor Get things checked out Pets spayed or neutered Hug your loved ones I got nothing Kyle, play us out, buddy I'm just rambling at this point Thanks for listening, everyone If you need a pinball machine, email Corbin. C-O-R-B-I-N-G-E-F-F. And MadPinball.com. Goodbye. Crush.