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Episode 177 – Listener’s Choice

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 36m·analyzed·Dec 8, 2021
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TL;DR

Pintastic recap, Rush rumors confirmed, American Pinball 'American Dream' program launch, tournament coverage.

Summary

Ron and Bruce discuss Pintastic (a local pinball show), Pinsonati, and upcoming tournaments at Rochester Pinball Collective. Key topics include Rush being strongly rumored as the next Stern game with pre-sold-out LE allocations (500-700 units expected), American Pinball's new 'American Dream' homebrew selection program, TNA tournament issues, and Ron acquiring a Big Game EM machine at auction. Community sentiment is generally positive about upcoming releases and events.

Key Claims

  • Distributors are already pre-sold out of Rush LEs; game expected to have 500-700 units (less than Godzilla's 1,000)

    high confidence · Bruce reports hearing from Borg that software lead confirmed for Rush; mentions 'all pinball media unanimously saying this is Rush' and distributors hitting their allocation limits for 500-700 unit runs

  • American Pinball is implementing a new 'American Dream' program where the best homebrew at Expo will be produced as a commercial game

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce discuss the program; precedent cited as Legends of Valhalla (which was a homebrew that became commercial)

  • TNA has recurring software/hardware issues with lighting and ball saver malfunction in tournament play at Rochester Pinball Collective

    high confidence · Detailed account of Pentastic finals malfunction where lights stopped color-changing and ball saver timer failed; hosts indicate TNA will be removed from future finals

  • Godzilla pinball is receiving strong positive reception with multiple units appearing at venues

    high confidence · Rochester Pinball Collective now has two Godzilla machines; described as 'rocks very hard'; featured in launch parties and tournaments

  • Sonic the Hedgehog homebrew (titled 'Poker') appeared at Pentastic in homebrew area

    medium confidence · Bruce mentions 'Sonic was there this year' in homebrew section; unclear if it's returning vs. new submission

Notable Quotes

  • “I know who the software lead is for his new game coming out... Everyone in the pinball media is unanimously saying this is Rush.”

    Bruce @ ~11:00 — Confirms Rush as next Stern release through Borg conversation; describes strong media consensus

  • “They're assuming it's going to be less than Godzilla, which was 1,000 LEs. So they're thinking probably between 500 to 700. And they're already saying that they already have what they had their limit for, for a 500 to 700 LE game.”

    Bruce @ ~12:30 — Documents pre-allocation scarcity for Rush; indicates FOMO/scarcity strategy similar to recent Stern LE releases

  • “American Pinball ripped us off... They're calling it the American Dream. [That's] our whole gimmick with American Pinball... Dave Fix is the American dream.”

    Ron @ ~38:00 — Humorous complaint about American Pinball naming program after Slam Tilt's running joke; shows competitive community dynamics

  • “It's a major malfunction... but the problem was, the other guy didn't complain about it. So he didn't complain about it.”

    Ron/Bruce @ ~27:00 — Describes tournament fairness issue where technical malfunction (TNA lights/ball saver) affected match outcome but wasn't called due to opponent silence

  • “Godzilla in every round... I played Godzilla. I did good, so I went up to the next group where Godzilla. They play Godzilla. And then I went up to the next group and then played Godzilla again.”

    Ron @ ~60:00 — Describes tournament structure where Godzilla placement ensures it's played in multiple rounds; positive reception of game design

Entities

RushgameGodzillagameTNAgameAmerican PinballcompanyBorgpersonPentasticeventPinsonatieventRochester Pinball Collective

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: American Pinball launching formalized homebrew-to-commercial program ('American Dream') to source new game IP

    high · Ron and Bruce discuss new program: 'when they have all the homebrews at Expo, you can bring your homebrew game to Expo... whichever one they think is the best, they're going to make the game... Kind of like Legends of Valhalla was a homebrew that they made'

  • ?

    community_signal: Tournament fairness dispute: TNA technical malfunction (lights/ball saver) in Pentastic finals not called as major malfunction because opponent didn't complain

    high · Detailed account of malfunction mid-tournament; hosts debate whether it should have been called major malfunction per rules; indicates tournament director discretion gaps

  • ?

    community_signal: Rochester Pinball Collective running Project Pinball charity tournament to fund children's hospital machines

    high · Bruce describes 'Project Pinball, but a benefit for them to gain money so they can actually put more machines on locations for kids' hospitals... part of the admission will be going to Project Pinball'

  • ?

    community_signal: Rochester Pinball Collective positioned as competitive hub; Pentastic as preferred local show replacing Replay FX; Pinsonati as emerging secondary tournament destination

    medium · Bruce: Pentastic 'might be my favorite show just because it's local'; Ron traveled to Ohio for Big Game auction; hosts discussing multiple parallel tournament circuits in Northeast region

  • ?

    event_signal: Pinsonati (Cincinnati) identified as growing competitive pinball show with ~140 games and strong tournament structure; potentially becoming significant seasonal event

Transcript

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0:00
Whatever the next big thing is, it better not suck. Yeah, yeah, really. Whoa, check it out! It's a Desire and Sposter body spray commercial. Whoa.
0:14
Hey, Beavis, I think I know what the next big thing is. It's in my pants. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, a show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. Happy birthday, Mr. Sharp.
0:45
Josh. Oh, oh, that one. Yeah, the number two. Happy birthday. Older and closer and closer to middle age.
0:54
Chances of winning majors declining, decreasing every year. It's not easy. Yeah, it's not easy being old, I can tell you. Yes. This is episode 177. Hola, guys. Sorry we've been away so long. Yeah, why were we away so long? Holiday.
1:12
It's a holiday. Such a holiday. I'm sorry. Yes, and the next time we'll be recording is probably right after Christmas. So right now I'm just going to say happy holidays, everyone. I don't know what your holiday is, but happy holidays for it. Yeah, we were late because we had Pintastic and then other things. Thanksgiving, I was away. Well, you learned that people forgot how to drive in the snow. Oh, my effing God. I was driving back from New Jersey last weekend, and all of a sudden we're hitting that southern tier of New York, which is the border between, it's a section of where New York and Pennsylvania meet in the middle of Pennsylvania, the northern part. And yeah, right around Corning, it went from a dusting to four inches in five minutes.
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Zachperson
Steve Bowenperson
Ron Hallettperson
Bruce Nightingaleperson
Chris Warrenperson
Raymond Davidsonperson
Stuperson
Stern Pinballcompany
Dave Fixperson
Mitch Curtisperson
Project Pinballorganization
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Stephperson
Zoe Brableperson
Scott Denisiperson
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Legends of Valhallagame

medium · Bruce describes Pinsonati as 'three-day show' with 'really good tournaments' and 'growing show' with '140 games this year'; mentions considering attending next year

  • ?

    licensing_signal: American Pinball considering Sonic the Hedgehog homebrew status for 'American Dream' program eligibility; questions whether returning homebrew qualifies as 'new' submission

    medium · Ron raises concern: 'If Sonic goes back next year, is it not really considered a new game anymore?' indicating program rules around returning homebrews unclear

  • ?

    community_signal: Tournament format and game selection strategy at Pentastic uses rotating machine placement to control difficulty distribution across skill groups

    medium · Ron describes Godzilla launch party structure: 'They put it, yeah, and they put it, they started at the lowest group and then went up... I played Godzilla. I did good, so I went up to the next group where Godzilla'

  • ?

    community_signal: Borg (John Borg) confirmed as designer/software lead for Rush game; conversation reveals design pipeline transparency

    high · Bruce: 'I know who the software lead is for his new game coming out' (via Pentastic conversation with Borg); corroborates media consensus on Rush identity

  • ?

    product_concern: TNA pinball has recurring technical issues in tournament play affecting fairness; hosts indicating removal from future finals rotation

    high · Detailed account of Pentastic finals malfunction: lighting stopped color-changing mid-tournament, ball saver timer failed on subsequent play; Ron states 'it's going to be one of the few games at the co-op that we will not have in finals anymore. It's just locked up and screwed up so many times.'

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Rush confirmed as next Stern game through Borg conversation; pinball media consensus; pre-sold distributors suggest production scarcity (500-700 units vs. Godzilla's 1,000)

    high · Bruce states 'everyone in the pinball media is unanimously saying this is Rush' and 'distributors are already pre-sold out'; mentions side art visible in promotional photo

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Strong positive community reception of Godzilla pinball; multiple venues acquiring units, featured in launch parties, used in tournament structures

    high · Ron plays Godzilla repeatedly in tournament; hosts describe it as 'rocks very hard'; Rochester Pinball Collective acquired two LE units; featured in structured tournament play multiple rounds

  • ?

    business_signal: Stern appears to be reducing Rush LE production below Godzilla levels to create scarcity/FOMO after prior LE demand issues

    high · Bruce notes distributors 'assuming it's going to be less than Godzilla, which was 1,000 LEs. So they're thinking probably between 500 to 700' and 'they already have what they had their limit for'

    • 2:06
    And everyone was like, I don't know how to drive. And it just was terrible. But luckily, my wife said, pull over. I'm going to drive. She wanted to get out of driving. I drove and it just went a lot slower, so I didn't get back in time.
    2:23
    So that's why we missed last week's. But we then, we asked our fellow pinheads to give us some ideas and our fans, and we'll be talking about that later on. So what have you been up to, sir? I've been going to shows and stuff. I know, and I have not. Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Yes. So how was Pintastic? uh excellent tell us about it sir uh i'm not a very good storyteller four score and seven years ago there was a show called ron falls dropped oh and he became a man 87 years ago wow i'm doing pretty good that you are doing really good wow um fantastic to tell you the truth now that there is no more replay effects and stuff it might be my favorite show just because it's local it's local yeah it takes you an hour and a half to get there it's smaller which i like i still like allentown still my favorite show the hotel lets you do anything yeah that's true it is almost like the wild west like uh saturday night they had a guns and roses tribute band play on the first floor, like right outside the lobby. And you've been to this hotel. There's rooms on the first floor. Yes, there is. They play until midnight, so if you had a room on the first floor, you were not going to sleep until midnight. I would have shot somebody. Or maybe on the second floor above you. Holy crap.
    3:57
    Yeah, actually, well, they finished. I was there just as they were doing their last number, Paradise City. Take me down. Yeah. Yeah. Their vending machine selection is excellent. Good. I heard Zach's brought his game. Zach brought his homebrew. Untitled game. No, it's titled. Oh, Poker. It's just called Poker. Very inventive. The thing is, I couldn't really hear it. You didn't say you didn't have to hear yourself. Yeah, I didn't get to hear myself. Most of the show, it was next to, it was in the homebrew area and one of them just was cranked so loud you couldn't hear anything else. You would have loved the one game. They had a Metallica there that all it played was Yacht Rock. Oh, fuck yeah. I didn't know that. So I'm playing one of the homebrews and I hear Michael McDonald next to me like, what the hell?
    4:53
    Or Kenny Loggins. This is it. I'm like, what the fuck? Okay. All right. I would have been so in on that. Yep. We have the Metallica for you. Yacht Rock Metallica. Nice.
    5:08
    So So, it was a good show, then. Yeah. You got to hang out with some people, our peeps. Our peeps. I got to be on the last Pinball Players podcast. Yes, that is very sad. And I'm going to say congratulations to those guys for having such a long run. We are going to miss you, very, very truthfully. I never got on the show. Thanks, man. Joe Lemire kills another show. He does. He's the super two. He's the show killer. He is. Head to Head, now, Pinball Players Podcast. Wow. Yes. So thank you, Jeff Parsons. But, hey, Joe, Hoops is still at the co-op, and we're loving you for that. Oh, man. You are so mean. But, yeah, I think they'll be back for maybe – they might be good for one episode a year. That'd be kind of cool. I'd like to see it. Just like Head to Head. I'm waiting for the Head to Head coming up for this Christmas or after Christmas. Me too. Oh, my God. I like how they had Jeff just set up his four microphones in a snowball. No, no, no, no. They're good mics. And he set them up in one of the tables right outside the free play area. So you got nice activity, background noise and stuff. It was cool. It was. I'm glad one of us was there. Let's see. What else do I have? I have miscellaneous notes here. Remember how the last – the other thing about the show is, because they didn't move, it just felt like it was 2020. It felt like there was no break because everything was in exactly the same place that was previous year. Everything was like the same. It just felt like a continuation. That was nice. But if you remember the last Pentastic, my dad was hooking up with Steve Ritchie, talking to him for hours on end. Well, to keep his streak alive, guess who he hooked up at this show?
    7:01
    Borg? Borg. And Borg was very chatty. Oh, wow. I know who the software lead is for his new game coming out. Excellent. Which, let's face it, we all know it's Rush. I mean, that's what I hear from everybody. Everyone in the pinball media is unanimously saying this is Rush. And we saw the side art on that one picture of that. Remember, we were trying to figure out if they did that on purpose or if they're trolling. I don't think they did that on purpose. I think that, yeah. I've already heard some distributors are already pre-sold out. Pre-sold out of rushes? Yes. Okay. They're assuming it's going to be less than Godzilla, which was 1,000 LEs. So they're thinking probably between 500 to 700. And they're already saying that they already have what they had their limit for, for a 500 to 700 LE game. Yeah. Damn. Yeah, so it's going to be pretty scary if pinball is on the rise. I played Godzilla. Godzilla rocks. Yes. Yes, it does. Rocks very hard. Yes. We now have two at the Rochester Pinball Collective. Ah. Where is that again? That's at 349. I think 349. Yes, 349 West Commercial. I always get confused because I've got to say the other one, too.
    8:22
    349 West Commercial Street, East Rochester, New York, suite 2965 or 2980. Same room. There's two. Oh, there's two rooms. We have two suites, and we broke the wall, so you can say either way. You broke the wall. You definitely broke the wall. Yes, we did. The fourth wall.
    8:40
    Let's see. What else do I want to talk about? The tournament. Yes. My streak was broken. Screw Zach. My streak was broken. That's the important part. I had a streak going. The qualifying for the Pentastic tournament, which the official name is the Silver Ball Rumble. Yes, it is. I had me and I think maybe two other people had a streak of qualifying. We qualified every year that it was held. And it's the card-based format, the much harder one to qualify in. And I could not do it this year. Fail. So I think Jerry Bernard was on the list, and he did. He continued on. Zach did, made it. Yeah, and my favorite was Raymond Davidson. He arrived, he played one entry, got first place, and never played another entry.
    9:28
    Wow. Screw that guy. That's ridiculous. God damn it. Yeah, so I didn't make it. Zach made it, and he made it all the way to the finals. Yep. I think he was down. Wasn't he down like 2-0 or 2-1? He was down. 2-2. He got tied. It's 3 out of 5, folks. Yep. 2-2, fifth game. Trying to blow up the tournament stuff quickly. So the final game is on TNA.
    9:56
    Great tournament game. It was fine. No, it was not fine. It played fine. That was actually my, in my entries, that was my not guaranteed but almost guaranteed good score. No, I'm not thinking about, qualifying's fine. Playing head-to-head, it seems like it always gets screwed up. Well, hey. The software is not ready for. Well, I don't know who chose it. Actually, it would have to be Zach. Zach chose it. He had to. No, he did not. Zach did not choose it. It was because he won and got back the 2-2. Oh, you're right, you're right, you're right. It was the other choice. Yeah. And he chose TNA. Mitch Curtis chose TNA. Yes, I'm rich. I've known Mitch for a long time, too. Yeah, he's very like you. He's very loud. No. Yeah. So, yeah, basically, to make a long story short, it gets to the third ball. It's a close game. Second ball. No, it was the third. No, it was ball two. It was ball three. It was the final ball. And Zach is player two. Mitch is player one. On ball three, near the end of Mitch's ball, the lights kind of stop working, meaning they're on, but they're not color changing anymore, so you have no idea what you're doing. As far as I know, he didn't bring it up. When Zach starts playing, he stops, traps it, and says, hey, lights aren't working. And that's when the fun begins. Yeah. Basically, it ended up being, I mean, this is being streamed, so someone gets a hold of denisi yeah scott denisi who pops up on the stream starts like try this try this and then he ends up on the phone walking them through walking them through yes walking jim the tournament director through what to do on the game they get the lights back by basically just reseating those wonderful hot glued cables as you know it was funny because it's literally the exact same issue mine had. Yeah, all of them have that same issue. He gets it working. Zach restarts, starts playing. At some point, he gets like multi-ball. He gets multi-ball and it locks up again. Well, the ball and TNA, it has one of the cooler features, the ball saver and the outlanes. When you get the four lanes, it gets a roving ball saver that you control. Yes. So he's in multi-ball. As the ball's draining, He moves it over so it goes through the lane that has the ball saver. He doesn't get a ball saver. The timer never goes on. So he stops again. And they look at it some more. Yeah, that's when they should have said, it's a major malfunction. I'm sorry. It was. It's a major malfunction. He could still play, though. But the problem was, the other guy didn't complain about it. So he didn't complain about it. I believe the official... What would have happened, either you'd say you play it out, or you can choose to end it here and you get a comp ball, assuming that a reboot fixes the issue. Yeah, exactly.
    12:54
    But the issue was Zach lost the plunge. Because this TNA was set up to not have a ball saver on the plunge at all. So what most players were doing, and what I had down pretty good, you plunge it up into the reactor area so that it goes into the scoop. And when it comes out, you have a ball saver. and you could do a quick drop catch. Yeah. He was trying to plunge that, but he could not get it. It kept coming all the way around. He was trying to lock balls and get back into multi-ball, and then he drained out. Yep. Kind of a crappy way to lose, but... Yes, it was. That's the way it goes. So that's why, honestly, it's going to be one of the few games at the co-op that we will not have in finals anymore. It's just locked up and screwed up so many times. So that and Lord of the Rings? No. You promised Lord of the Rings. If Star Wars. If Star Wars is in it. Yes. I'm fine. I'm fine with that. Okay. You just got to get Zach on board with that one. If you ask Zach, okay, that's your choice. Either you have Star Wars in and Lord of the Rings is in, or you take Star Wars out and Lord of the Rings is out. I think it'll change to the second option. I don't think so. Then you're both just pigheaded and it hurts the whole tournament. And your point? And your point.
    14:06
    Such a Bruce reaction. There's a women's tournament. Yes, there was. They had on Sunday. Our own Steph finished second. I know. Congratulations, Steph. Zoe Brable, I believe, finished first. She did. So a good time had by all. What did you buy out there? I didn't buy anything. What? I'm sorry. I didn't even buy any parts. I always look to see. I go over to Mayfair and see if he's got any new spinners. Every once in a while, I'll have some Gen OS Stern spinners there, and I'll grab some. Yes. You had nothing this time? Nothing this time. So, Pinsonati just went off this week. Oh, yeah, Pinsonati. What is Pinsonati, Bruce? It's a show down in Cincinnati that is a three-day show, I think. It starts Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. And it looks like they have some really good tournaments, and it's a growing show. They had, I think, about 140 games there this year, and I might want to go next year. Whoa. If I get off. That's the big thing, too. Well, you get off all the time.
    15:10
    Exactly. But it looked like they had a good time. A lot of people we knew who were playing. It was nice to see, of course, Steve Bowden again. He's at every show now again. Of course he is. He's the marketing dude for American Pinball. Oh, American Pinball. I can't believe I forgot to mention this the last episode. I was so pissed after I was editing. It's like I didn't mention this at all. American Pinball ripped us off. What else is new? When you are one of the best podcasts out there, you give the best ideas. Yeah, trippy voting starts. That's going on right now. But, yes, our whole gimmick with American Pinball is that Dave Fix is the American dream. He is the American dream. He's the American dream of American Pinball, baby. And he's going to bring it back. You know what they did? They have this program now. This is the deal. So when they have all the homebrew games at Expo, you can bring your homebrew game to Expo. And if they're going to look at all the homebrews and whichever one they think is the best, they're going to make the game. Kind of like Legends of Valhalla was a homebrew that they made. This is the thing. But they're calling it the American Dream.
    16:22
    Here's what I have a problem with, and it has to be ruled out a little bit more. Sonic was there this year. Yes. If Sonic goes back next year, is it not really considered a new game anymore? I don't know. But the more important thing is, baby, they completely ripped us off, brother. I'm telling you, that's so wrong. The American dream of American pinball, Dave Fick, he ripped it off, baby. I know he did. I just don't believe it. I just, yeah, as soon as I saw it, it's like, are you kidding me? That's the name? Come on. That's so wrong.
    16:55
    I demand some residuals. You should have trademarked that. We probably could have trademarked that in the guise of pinball. just not pro wrestling because obviously it's straight marked there well no good then you'll be using dusty roads as the voice and that would then infringe on the other copyright that's right baby oh yeah i'm not dusty roads i'm just a guy that kind of sounds like dusty roads yeah just kind of yeah just a little bit that's right baby i just kind of sound like him baby it's some hard times out here baby hard times hard time but uh yeah so zach had his game of course So, you know, maybe this year he'll bring it out to Expo. Well, also, the Twippies are out, so you could vote for Zach's game for best homegirls. Yes, because I already voted. And vote for us. A vote for us is a vote for progress. Progress is our middle name. We can get into Twippies later because that's another thing. Yes, it is. But there was another competition after Pentastic, and that was Stu versus Raymond. Stu versus Raymond Davidson at level zero. Stu showed up this time. Oh, yeah. It happened. Yes. They did an IFPA format the final. Mm-hmm. So I'm trying to remember what the games were. I know Stu immediately got down like 2-0 or 0-2. Yep. He was down 0-2. Then he won on Quicksilver. Yeah. But then he had to play Black Rose. So I figured he was done. There's no way he's beating Raymond on Black Rose. It's like one of Raymond's favorite games of all time. And he won. So 2-2. Yeah, but then they had to play Deadpool. And he got annihilated. Actually, I think Raymond got the new GC on the level zero Deadpool.
    18:44
    Then Stu, he picked, dialed in. I wonder if he realized that's one of Raymond's favorite games also. I don't know. He got his ass kicked on that one, too, and he lost in? Six. Yeah, six. Four to two. Yep. And then he left again. And then he ran off pissed off. He gave the finger. He left pissed off. I mean, I was watching the stream upstairs because I didn't want to be. You don't want to be around that fireball. Nope. And he comes walking past me, and he just leaves. Like, I guess he didn't win. Well, I was watching it, but I wasn't surprised when he just left without saying anything. Yeah, he's such a douche sometimes. Well, he forgot his coat, too. It's still here. And he hasn't asked me for it, either. Made in Romania? I don't know.
    19:24
    It doesn't have any markings on it, so maybe. Yeah, it's like a Gucci. It says Gucci on the front of it, but it says Made in Romania. It's a knockoff. He didn't forget his Rolex. I know that. Oh, wow. Yeah, he's a high class stuff guy. Oh, well. Well. Who knows when he'll reappear? So next week we have a big thing going on, on the 9th and 11th at the co-op. 9th and 11th. Well, before you get to that, I have one more thing. Okay. Keeping in chronological order here. I went to the Rock Fantasy Godzilla launch party. Godzilla, Godzilla, Godzilla. And they did it right in that they had a premium and a pro. They had a Project Pinball tournament on the – or Project Pinball thing on the premium, and then the pro was in the main tournament. And then they had the TV on playing Godzilla movies. Perfect. Perfect. I recommend you do the same thing with the Godzilla movies. It adds a nice little touch. I thought somebody was bringing out some stuff. Oh, remind me, because I'll completely forget. I'm not going to be here. Well, remind me before you leave. Okay. Because I will completely forget to bring any of the movies. Oh, no.
    20:39
    And how did you do? Well, and Steph was there. I know. Because she was visiting family, so she was actually in the area. And I was only 25 minutes away. Yeah. Yeah, why didn't you play in it? Because I had family in the area. I had to spend family. It was actually Thanksgiving, and so I had to spend time with family. I had to spend time. It was six rounds of match play followed by three more rounds of finals, just a continuation. Which is BS. Well, they had 20, was it 27 players? Yeah. 27 players, and they did it so after the first six rounds, the top eight move on. Yep. But your score still counted. Yeah. That was the BS part. Well, it really... I made the top eight. Yes. The cool thing was they did the thing where they had Godzilla in every round. Yeah, which we did. And they put it, yeah, and they put it, they started at the lowest group and then went up. And like the first round I played ACDC, then I played Sea Witch, then I played Evil Knievel. From that point on, I played nothing but Godzilla. because I played Godzilla. I did good, so I went up to the next group where Godzilla. They play Godzilla. And then I went up to the next group and then played Godzilla again. And then I was in the finals, and I played Godzilla all three rounds. So I got to play a lot of Godzilla. And it's a good game. I think mathematically the last game, if I won, I think I might have won the tournament. But you choked. God. I wouldn't say that because Greg Pavarelli had 700 million. He had, like, the high score. I'm the pro in that game. I had like $100 million, but I was just short of second place. So I ended up tied for third with like three other people. So we had to like split winning. So I did win. I did cash, if you will, but obviously not as much as if I could have won something alone. Yes, I agree. A good time had by all. And I forgot one story about the Pinsonati when I was watching Pinsonati. the Saturday tournament, the main tournament, I got to give a shout out to Chris Warren. Hi, Chris. He's one of our longest time listeners. I think he's been there since the beginning. Poor fucking guy. He's like the Roach Motel. We got him. He can't get the fuck out. He can't get out? He finished second in the Strikes tournament on the first day. Yes, he did. The second day, he is involved in a... They play like a bunch of rounds, and then they split A and B. Yes. So he was in a group of seven people where it was seven people and they had six spots in A. They played a one ball game of Walking Dead. Yes. And I was having visions of that fucking six million dollar man game because that's like almost the same thing. Like one game, one ball. The one ball part is like, ugh. Basically, whoever gets the lowest score out of the seven people is going to be at the top of B. The other six people will be at the bottom of A. Right? Right. So I'm watching this, and the first four play, and Chris is one of the four players, and he gets whatever he gets but he not the low person in the group so he already on The lowest person in the group had like million So you to get over 2 million or you going to be So one of the players in the next group of three plunges the ball And walks away. No, gets like control, waits for the ball saver to time out, and then just lets it drain. Wow. Right on stream too. Dedicated beer. Now, I'm trying to think, wouldn't that have been a DQ at Pinnberg? because didn't they have a thing where if you intentionally sandbag, like it was obvious, it goes against the whatever, the sanctity of the competition or whatever you want to say. But here's the funny part. They showed the B final. He was one of the players in the B final. I guess the strategy worked. Yes, and he had the lead going into the last game.
    24:47
    They were tied. It was a three-way tie. Yeah, 10-10, 10-10. So whoever won the game won it all. And he had the high score. He was player three, and then player four passed him. And someone in chat said, it's like, well, at least the sandbagging didn't get him first place or something. I thought that was funny. Yep, they played Excalibur. Yeah, but Chris, he made his way up. He got it, and he ended up in the final four. It ended up being super close. It looked like he was out of it when they got to the third game. It was one of those math things where all the shit had to happen for him to even have a chance. And even then, the best he could do was tie and then have a playoff, and that's what happened. Yep. I would go out of your way to check this out. I think it's SDTM Pinball on Twitch. It was the probably greatest game of Hot Tip you will ever see in a finals. Love Hot Tip. And it was an EM. Yep, the EM version. And Chris, next time we hook up, man, let me know. I'll teach you how to alley pass. Yes. Because he could not alley pass. He even said after, like, he does not like to alley pass. So he did something even more insane.
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    He tried to tap pass. I know. If you ever play Hot Tips, Hot Tips has one of those, the most stiffest flipper buttons ever, where you could actually hit the flipper button and the flipper doesn't go because you didn't hit it hard enough. Like, literally the hardest possible flipper buttons to try to tap pass on. But he was able to tap pass at least a couple times. It was insane. So kudos. And Chris won in the playoff. He's a Cincinnati champion. He is. Pinsonati boy. Well, not a Pinsonati boy. He's an Alabama boy. But now he's Mr. Pinsonati. Do you have to do the accent? That's a fancy. Dickhead.
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    But I love him. He's a great guy. So congratulations, Chris. Congrats. Yeah, it was a good show. I liked seeing Steve, of course, again. And, you know, Mr. American Dream finder, he's going to find all the American dreamers out there with their home-brewed pinballs. He's going to find all the American dreamers.
    26:59
    That's right, baby. It was hard times. The Deep Brew Buddy came out of it. He beat that deathly Ric Flair. And now he's the American dream of American pinball. We only have 26 more days until we see the second American pinball machine. What? Remember, he said we're going to have two pinballs this year. Uh, oh, okay. Right or wrong? Did he or did he not say that? He did say that. I don't think that's happening. I don't think so either, but he's got 26 days to prove it. 26 days. From the time of recording. Okay. You were mentioning there's some stuff coming up? Yes. This week, upcoming at the Rochester Pinball Collective, we have our Godzilla launch party, And we're also going to be doing a – Project Pinball. Project Pinball, but a benefit for them to gain money so they can actually put more machines on locations for kids' hospitals.
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    And so I'd like everyone to hopefully come out, and a partial payment that is paid into the admission will be going to Project Pinball so they can actually get hopefully more games out there. So the more people we get, the more money gets donated, plus part of the prize pool will hopefully win a special game. We will have two Godzillas there. LEs are on site already. The fucking game rocks. Yes, it does. So we'd like to see everyone come out, support a good cause, give until it hurts. And if you order your Godzilla, you might see it in 2023. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe. Unless you want to buy a $12,000 one. No. We'll get into that later on. Well, I'm on a list. Let's just say that. That's good. I don't have to buy it now. Oh, yeah, because it's at the co-op. It's at the co-op. So I just keep on buying old games. Oh, yeah, I hear you got another. I bought my third big game. Yes.
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    Well, never. You only have two now. Yeah, well, I know what a third one is. Hi, Ron. Oh, yes, that's right.
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    Do you have any extra spinners for our listener? Remember? No, because it actually only has one of the two original spinners. Oh. The outer one is the original, like the old red stern arrows from like Starz era. At least it is a stern spinner. I will at least give it that. There was an auction in South Dayton, Ohio. It was a house auction. So they had, it was a farmhouse with pool and everything, and it had 120 acres on it. Really nice. And I'm looking through, you know, the way I look through my ads, I go, there's a big game there and there's another pinball but they took it out of the auction two days before it was a williams em baseball game and uh i was like oh i'm gonna go out there and try out for this you know this big game you know so i drove out there got there auction starts at 10 30 i get there 10 o'clock we'll go downstairs i'm expecting this dead game to sit in there it's actually booted up displays are a little wonky probably just needs a reseating but I wasn't like, oh, you know, no key in the head, so I couldn't see back there, but I'll deal with that later on. But I was able to look inside. A couple of hacks, you know, they put in a counter for the credits and everything like that, but nothing big. You know, I was like, oh, wow, it's still got all original stuff in it. Rubbers are all shot. But the back glass is perfect. Like, what?
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    It was in an old, dusty, grimy basement. So it never saw sun. So the backlash was good. So I was like, okay, I'll have to check this out. You know, I'll stay. We'll go through the whole thing. There was another auction like an hour away with a meteor. So I'm like, oh, well, if this didn't work out, I'd go to the meteor one. How bad is that? So we get to the auction part. You know, I'm in the row. You know, they're not even by it. They were actually doing the auction outside in a tent. And they just, you know, you had a catalog in front of you. Number 24, big game. Let's start the bid. You know, they started like $300. It went down to $150. I was at $500. I'm like, okay, cool. You know, I'm probably going to go for $500. Somebody in the back row, $750.
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    I put my hand up, $800. That guy goes, you know, $900. I go $1,000. That was it. Got it for $1,000. So a working big game, which is just getting some rubbers and some probably good cleaning, a couple tweaks, $1,000.
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    Yeah, that's – well, I didn't tell you. Over the weekend, I went to Ohio, and I was at this auction for big game, and I was bidding against this guy. He's an asshole. He was up front. Yeah, so I got the bidding off to $1,000, so I had to get it for $1,000. And then the other game was a meteor, and I was able to bid online if I wanted to, so I'm watching this meteor going, boy, it's a really nice meteor. The back glass is like a 9 out of 10. The play field is like a 9 out of 10. It's working. I'm like, boy, do I bid on this thing? And it went for $9.75. five but the here's the problem i had for the big game i paid a thousand dollars and then you usually have the tax and then you have also the consignment fee like you know they charge eight or ten percent i was sitting there like boy how much is it gonna be you know i have to pay a tax on the woman you know if they had a little sign in the front what it was and it was like if you pay it's four percent only so they only charge four percent of what you paid but if you paid cash that day they took away to 4%. And then, if you're buying the game at a consignment, at a garage sale, but an auction, you don't pay tax. So I walked out of there with the game exactly at $1,000.
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    So I'm looking at this auction in the media and going, hmm, do I bid on this? It went for $9.75, but there was a 25% premium on that. Wow. Yeah, so it was like $1,250, and I had to go get it. It's like, fuck that. It's not worth it. There's a lot more meteors out there There's not a lot of big games. Right? Right. You're bloody well right. You got a bloody right to say. You got it. All right. So that was my weekend. How was your weekend, Ron? It was all right. Since you're going to be coming out here next week, you have to stay at Zach's. Mm-hmm. Because Bruce is not around. Bruce is going to be in Florida. Ron's going to be very jealous of me next Tuesday. Uh, why? The Disney. Ugh. no you know why i'm going to disney to kill mickey mouse hopefully star wars baby what i hate disney well guess what the star wars experience looks pretty fucking cool yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm over it i like rides space mountains got a fucking rock i'm going to go like five times okay space mountain are you going to meet rick flair on there space space map what else is on the list i titled this episode listeners choice yes it is because ron asked me since i was i was the one that delayed last week he goes well now since you delayed you need to ask ask what what they want to talk about on this show i kind of like this Our listeners, yes. We post on Facebook, and we will answer your questions. And we got some questions. We got some questions. Are you ready, Bruce? I am always ready for our listeners. It's almost like a mini ball bag. A mini ball bag. We got items in the ball bag, too. Do you want to do the ball bag first before the... Yeah, let's do our regular ball bag so we can empty that. Oh, God. I did have a thing in, did you see the Funhaus 2.0? Yes. What do you think about that? It's basically a kit. Yeah, a kit. It's almost like Bride of Pinbop. Yeah, a kit, yes. You actually get a LCD screen. It looks like they went totally with the evil clown thing. Yeah. Where they, you know, hi, I'm Rudy. Kill your parents. yeah they made rudy sound like yeah this demonic clown yeah i don't know i don't know i have to see it actually gameplay fully and the new trans light i mean it looks totally like this the most evil that he's taking over the yeah and then we have a new pinball machine coming out also it looks like from spain what was that basketball game yeah it's called um something hoop super hoops super hoops or super hoop i wish it was called super hoops that'd be cool no that'd be fucking awesome you could put it right next to your hoops that you have it would be great i love my hoops i know you do i know um well you forgot another game was announced and what was that cactus canyon remake se plus yes i know basically if you want a cactus can we talked about this in the expo episode if you want a cactus canyon that costs as much as the le but it's the same as the standard edition, but has a topper, so you're paying thousands of dollars for the topper only, we got the game for you, Cactus Canyon SE Plus. Which is bullshit. It's bullshit, but they're selling a bunch of them. I know, because people are stupid. I'm going to have a topper. It is a good topper. It is a good topper, but it's not worth $2,500. But I guess the deal is, if they sold the topper by itself, Planetary Pinball gets more of a cut than if they sell it as part of the game. I guess that's the reasoning. Stupid reasoning. Well, there you go. They should have just sold it as an option. Give up the fucking 10% profit or 15% profit, whatever, and not make yourself look like an idiot. Because guess what? All the people who got the LE looked like the smartest people in the world. All the people who got the SE plus look like fucking morons. Yeah, but most of them are rich and don't care. Yeah, I see that. money in pinball is just like it's like hey i got money and every this fucking 30s thing out like i'm gonna get the money gun the money i'm gonna go next time i go buy a machine is it next to the love gun no no you ever see those money guns you can put a stack of singles in there you just shoot it out like a gun i'm just gonna shoot it like you know i'm gonna put 20s in it or maybe a hundred dollar bill so i can shoot it out of people when i'm buying a machine and they're gonna go nope not enough keep on giving me more good money well you know money you don't buy everything it's true but what i don't buy i can't use just give me money that's what i want yep that's what i want that's what i want yeah that's what i want yes so yeah it's just stupid how to just money is you know game prices keep on going up on everything popular There's like hope. And when you see Twilight Zone going for now $13,000, it's time to put the tourniquet on. Oh, God. Well, quick, let's get through the ball bag. On a proper check, please. Let's get to the ball bag first. We could talk about pricing. That's probably one of the questions somewhere. It is. Thanks, David Peck, for the picture he sent. Yes, I have now. That's my first thing coming back from vacation. That's me giving the middle finger. It's a very nice picture. Yep. Got an email from our Scott. Hi, Scott. New version of Nineball. Gets rid of some bugs in his previous version. Maybe Zach should put that in. He has my Nineball now at the house, at his house. Let's see. We've got an email from Dan. Oh, Dan. I think he's the one who won the big game spinner. Ah. Let's see. What pins do you guys have in your home collections currently? Oh, well, you have a big list. I have a little.
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    Everything. Just look at my pins. Well, Metallica at my dad's house. Then we have. this is when you know you have too many games when you can't remember them anymore. Harlem Globetrotters, Alien Star, Quicksilver, Black Knight, Iron Man, Spider-Man,
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    Jurassic Park, what else is in that row? ACDC, Mousin' Around, I'm missing one of the ones in that row.
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    Black Rose, the next game over is, whodunit? Dirty Harry. Oh, that's in the other row. Wow. Demoman, World Cup Soccer, Johnny Pneumonic, F-14 Tomcat, Dirty Harry, Deadpool, Attack from Mars, Dialed In, your favorite, Getaway, then the Sterns start. We got, let's see, Cheetah, Nineball, Big Game.
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    Dragon Fist. Dragon Fist, Stargazer, Meteor, Stars. Then we've got Prospector and Spanish Eyes. Yep.
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    I think you got them all. What do you got? Big Game, Gametron, Sea Witch, and one other one down there. I'm trying to remember. I can't remember what it is, but it's another Stern, older Stern. and I'm going to have nine ball back in my house and I'm going to start working on Trident and I'm going to start working on Star Trek.
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    Yeah, so I'm going to get those up and running. So I might be taking out more of my regular games and bringing them back. It's a continuation of his question. Which would be the first to say bye-bye if you had to ditch one? See which.
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    Didn't even have a second thought about that. No, he didn't. Nope. maybe Spider-Man. Yeah, I can go with that one. Maybe Jurassic Park. I don't know. I kind of have a love-hate with Jurassic Park going on. Yeah, it's been a love-hate for me, too. It's kind of like my Dracula. Which one will never, ever, ever fucking leave? That's literally what it says.
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    Demoman. Well, if I count the games, the co-op. I mean, I have more than one that answers that question. Stars will never leave, either. I'll have to say Demoman. Yeah, but for me, Cheetah. Cheetah is my, will never go, because it's Franken-Cheetah. I drove fucking almost 40 hours for that $20 Cheetah.
    41:26
    All right, let's see. Next email is from Scott. Scott S. Just watched the stream, and it was great to see Stu, the 1978 Playboy Launch Party Champion, showcase his skills. Wow. My one request, Ron versus Stu, winner take all. I think that would be the hardest one to see because you would get so distracted by Stu's complaining. He does complain a lot. He does complain a whole lot, unless he's winning. Then he's cocky as all fucking hell. Let's see. We'll be able to do that sometime in the future.
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    All right. I think that, is that it? That's it for the emails. Cool. Okay. So now, on with the show. On with the show. All right, Mike asks, pins with Christmas references, art or themes? Which then Joe Cherovino underneath it takes the one I would have said. That's what I had too, exactly. Taxi, because it has Santa on it. As far as any other games with Christmas references, I guarantee there's probably EMs. Yeah, I'm assuming that. I mean, there's skiing. There's like Hot Dog Inn, which is skiing. There's Wipeout, which is skiing. there's Future Spa, which is, you know, hot tubs.
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    So are you saying Future Spa takes place during Christmas? It does. Of course it does. Okay. Let's see. Yeah, that's the only one I knew. It was like, oh, okay, let's see. That's hard. It is very hard. But, yeah, I don't know anything that has, you know. Yeah, I mean, we're not going to IPDB and cheating. I mean, I don't even find anything. Wow. There's nothing. Ho, ho, ho. Green giant. Ho, ho, ho. Green giant. We need like the Christmas story, the pin. Ho, ho, ho. You'll see right out, kid.
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    Your ball getting kicked down the shooter rod with a big boot. Boot, boot. Yeah. I like that. Instead of the cannon, it's the BB gun. Yeah. Kevin asks, the rumored Venom. With Eddie and Yeti. Yeah, the problem is McFarlane, I think, is still tied up in that license with Venom. You know, who knows? It is a cartoon game, you know. Seems like everyone loves cartoon and superhero games. Well, do you think it'll be off the movie or off just Marvel's character again? It should be off Marvel's character. If anything, it would be better if it was off McFarlane's character. Who's McFarlane? I don't know who you're talking about. He's an artist, McFarlane. Oh, okay. And he is incredible artwork. and if Yeti could improve on that, it would be really cool, but it's very dark, very not family-oriented game, so I don't know if it would go really well. Do you think it's a rumor or is it true? I think it's a rumor still. Really? I could see him doing Venom. I don't think it's that popular of a character. I think there's more popular characters out there. Okay. You still have Superman.
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    Really, think about it. Dan asks, what was the best deal you ever got on a pinball machine? I just talked about it. Mine was what should have been $500 stars, but thanks to you, ended up being, what was it? $550 or $750? I can't remember. But yes, that's probably the best bang for the buck, I'd say. You bastard!
    44:58
    Sorry. Dan says he lucked into a Game of Thrones pro for $2K. That's a pretty good deal. Wow, that was in 2018. Yeah, those days are gone. Yeah, those are way done.
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    KidCrisso asks, seems like the 1980s Stern market prices have leveled off, not decreased. Wait a minute, so you don't think they've leveled off? You think they're still expensive? Really? They're still going up. Give examples. What was it? There was a Quicksilver, what's his name, sold for $7,000. That's nutty right then and there. Some of the older crappy games like Electronimo people are asking $18,000 to $2,000 for. It's still nutty. They have not leveled off. He also said, I'd like to hear Stu McVicker's opinion. Oh, boy. Which I had a pre-recorded segment from Stu. Let me cue that up. Okay.
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    What do I think of the prices? I think they're all overpriced. Stern are their pieces of shit. They're total crap. They're nothing like System 11 or the greatest games ever, especially Jokers. What about Bally? What about early Bally's? I didn't ask him that. Oh, fuck. Because he did win on an early Bally. He did, but it seems like he likes System 11s, and he really likes Jokers. Okay, you know, he does like stereo. Mm-hmm.
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    Let's see. Brian asks, what do you all think of people who are able to buy two LEs, keep one, then sell one for 2 to 3k more after distributors have sold out.
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    It is America. Capitalists. That's what I think. It's capitalism. Yeah. I mean, it kind of sucks. You might not be able to get one because of that or pay more for it, but it's America. Yeah.
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    America. Fuck yeah. Sell those alleys above the price. Yeah. Fuck yeah. Bill asked that. The takeover of competitive pinball by these young kids.
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    That is the future. The future is yours. I think that's a great thing. If I was still seeing middle-aged people winning pinball tournaments, I think we were in trouble. Yeah. It's just youth is going to be, you know, youth and reactions will always overcome a lot of rules. But some games with the rules. Yeah, but I would say most of those young kids know the rules better than half of the older people do. Oh, I guarantee it. But, you know, once in a while, they might not know a little quirky rule, and it might hurt them, and somebody might be able to take advantage of it. I know the world's number one, Raymond Davidson. He's old. He's really old now. He's like middle age. He's done. Decrepit. Mm-hmm. Fucking give him a fucking walker.
    47:44
    He's going to be like Homer's dad, Grandpa Simpson. Yep. In my day, I used to win pinball tournaments without knowing all these rules. In my day, pinball didn't have flippers. Oh, wait a minute. That the actual line That is Steve asks or Steven how about the importance of machine owners operators in the current climate of the pinball world and how their roles will be affected with internet connectivity rising equipment prices etc Well, this comes into a really sticky subject lately because it seems like some operators don't want to have the Stern Connect hooked up. Maybe they don't have Wi-Fi. Maybe if they don't have Wi-Fi, like think about it. Some places don't have Wi-Fi still. An old shitty bar, maybe even some, like, rest areas, that kind of stuff. Or they have Spectrum. Yeah, or they have Spectrum, and they can't get through anything. But you have this big white light telling you, you know, hey, swipe your code over this. And if you're not hooked up, it will say, not connected, not connected. Well, I guess one of the issues is someone had a Godzilla, and they disconnected the note board for it. And it did not like it. Yeah, it started yelling like, hey, no board disconnected. Disconnected? It still did play, though. It just had a big square in the middle of the screen. So Stern told them to put some tape over the sensor if he thought it was too bright. Yeah, they should actually turn it off. But it's not that distracting. I will say I've been playing a lot of DLE, and it's not that distracting. But I think it's a good thing. How about the concerns of, like, what is Stern going to do with the data? They haven't really said. and there's no opt-out. Usually there's an opt-out. There is an opt-out if you don't sign up. Nah. There is an opt-out because if you don't sign up and if you don't hook up to Wi-Fi, you're not in it. You can use products by, you know, like, I'm just thinking of products at the top of my head. When you install a program, do you want to share this information with Google? No, but you can still use the program.
    49:51
    But you're still using the program. No, no, you're not using it. You can't use Insider Connected and say, like, I want to use this. No, I'm not saying that. But don't send any of my information to Stern. You don't have to use it at all. You don't have to use the Stern Connect. You don't have to. Yes, but there's no opt-out of sending them data. But the opt-out is if you don't hook it up. That's exactly what they're going to tell you. Yeah, that's totally different. Totally different. It's like when you get a program, a computer program, like you get Apple. You agree to their terms, or guess what? It's not going to download. It's yes or no. There's terms, but in many of these products, there are specific ones about sharing information with the vendor. And you can say, no, I don't want to do that. I know. But the thing is, if you get a program and you're using their program, it's going to say, do you want to continue? Yes or no, if you accept our terms. By hooking up your game to the Internet and hooking it up to – you're agreeing to their terms, so they can do whatever they want. So what do you think of the current climate of the pinball world? How expensive everything is? It's fucking nutty. It's going to crash. It's going to crash hard. You think it's going to crash? Inflation. Inflation's the key right here. People are not going to have all this lucid money. Eventually, it's just going to get all out of hand. And people are just going to say, I can't spend all this money on games. That hasn't happened yet. I know that. It's going to happen. I hate to say it. They've got to find the ceiling, and they haven't found it. Oh, they're going to find the ceiling, all right. You watch. It's going to happen. I think within two years.
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    2023, end of it, we will see a ceiling and probably either a downturn or not. It could be because of the economy being in a downturn also. I mean, have they ever lowered prices? Ever? Zach said they did, and I don't remember Stern ever lowering prices. Yeah, but if Zach said it, obviously it must have happened. No. but I don't remember this Stern lowering prices and if Stern wants to say they did and tell me when please do I don't think they ever have I know everyone's happy that oh wow my games are more and worth more and more and more but you're the same person on the other side saying I can't get my game till 2023 possibly here's the other thing that pisses me the fuck off we have such a back order with all these fucking games that people have been waiting for maybe six to ten months but we're going to put out Jurassic Park the pin, the cheap model, and make a shit ton of them when that line could have been making higher expensive pins for a bigger profit margin, I'm hoping, for Stern, and make your customer happier. Well, from what they're saying, next year there's going to be current production games that they're not even going to make. Yeah. They're going to do longer runs of the games to try to get them done. Yeah. But some games, like, you're not going to see Zeppelins. You're not going to see. No, of course not. I wouldn't expect Zeppelin. I wouldn't expect even – I wouldn't expect Zeppelin. I wouldn't expect Stranger Things. Maybe a little run of Stranger Things. Maybe if the show comes out, you know, the next season comes out. You might get a little kick from that. But, yeah, I don't see it, you know. You have to pick up this – Do you think their backwoods are still at 5,000? I think it's probably worse right now. No boards are getting harder to get. Marco doesn't even have them, and Stern doesn't even have them. They're dedicating them all for production.
    53:27
    That's bad. It's bad. Bad. You know I'm bad. See, I'm on it. Who's bad? And I'll say some of the quality control doesn't seem to be the best. No, I think that's gone downhill too. Especially like just basic play testing. Yeah. You know, switches being wrong. Yep. Out of order. You know, wired up wrong. I guess this has been a common thing where the right in lane, out lane are swapped. Yep. Multiple games have had this issue. And you know, the dude is there. He's testing all the switches, but he's not looking at the display to see if the right one's going up. He's just hearing beep, beep, beep. Okay, they all work. I mean, especially with the Elwynn games, there's so much adjusting that needs to be done on them. Yeah. To get things to work right. Yeah. I mean, it's the amount of tweaking I've had to do on Jurassic Park. And we've had to do it on Godzilla.
    54:28
    You know I'm bad. Shame on it. So that's, yeah, that's what we think. Yeah, it's not a good thing. So everything crashes in two years, according to Bruce. not crash, but it will go downturn. It will downturn. Okay. I think with the economy, it will downturn. The economy goes through cycles. It's a given. You saw it happen the last cycle. Prices went down. All right. Pete asks, Zach's homebrew game.
    55:00
    Please phrase it in the form of a question. I like it. It's got power. It's got style. It's got class. Great call outs. No, I think the guy that they need to fucking do a different person on call-outs. I'm not the only one in call-outs either. It's the guy from World Poker Tour. I know. But I do like the game a lot. I think it's got a lot of cool ideas. The only thing that's disconcerting is no head. It's got no head. No head. But it could be a cost-cutting saver for any company that takes it over.
    55:34
    Yeah, but you're not... Everyone's used to seeing the head. It's like the advertisement for the game. I agree. But, yes, the game is poker, and the rule set is poker. Yes. I was surprised that many people at the show were like, I have no idea what I'm doing. It's like, it's poker. You ever play poker? I mean, I have to say, he's got the instruction card he has is huge. It is huge. It's like 20 lines on it, and you're like, oh, God. That's what he should do. He should put a head in the back with all the instructions lit up. Right? There's a lot of instructions. I know there is. I mean, it's cool that he built everything himself. I mean, it doesn't run on P-Rock. Nope. He built his own system. Yep. The Z-Pin. Yes. It works. It's fun. All kinds of custom 3D printed parts to do crazy ball savers. Yep. The one small saver that pops the ball up over the in lane. He's done what 95% of the pinball public can't even do, is make their own game. and make it play and work. Every time I go and look at it, I'm like, wow, you did this, this, this? He's like, yeah, you know. And I'm like, I remember when it was this, you know. He's like, oh, I know. I said, you've done a whole shitload, you know. And plus he's doing that. When he's at the co-op, he's doing code. It's just so funny. I'm like, what are you doing? I'm doing code again. He's sitting at the co-op desk and doing code or he's in the back, you know. So he, Zach has really dedicated this project. What will be number two? That's what I keep on asking him. What's number two? You said number two. I know. Technically, I believe that game is number two. I know. Because you had another one before that. But I mean number two that people will see. Number two is going to be a cocktail, I believe. I know. I know it is. But we don't have a theme. He doesn't have a theme for this one, other than he calls it poker. It's just poker. I guess he has a theme, just not a title. Yeah, unless you have poker. Todd asks Stern code rollouts that appear to at times not even receive the most basic of playtesting I have to agree with that give an example there was an example for Star Wars where it was blowing up node boards a couple years ago and it did happen I know Todd because Todd was our vendor it blew up a node board on him and then they said they took it down like two days later after Other people complained that they were blown on no board. So it does happen. Is it foolproof? No, nothing's foolproof. I know things happen. Shit happens. It's not a great thing either because, you know, some people who are paying for this machine have it on location and it's tied up in their repair shop. That's not cool either. It's like a car. You know, you buy a car. Oh, I got a lemon. You know, you got to start fighting for that. But you still got to pay for that car while you're fighting for that lemon law.
    58:28
    Pain in the ass. So it does suck. But they are getting better with the code. This last code update that they gave for Thanksgiving was kind of funny because everyone was like, oh, look at all this code. No, it's all for just Insider Connect. It's all to work. There was – There's one tweak for Jurassic Park. Jurassic Park got the – Well, they also – well, they also changed a lot of the base OS stuff. Yes. So when you're booting, it has new text. New way, yes. Like on Jurassic Park, I noticed, and I didn't really think this was an OS thing, but a lot of the cutting off of the call-outs after tilts and stuff like that that it would do, it's not doing that now. But I thought that would have been game code, not OS-level code. Well, it did change. Game code did change on Jurassic Park. Now you get the secret mode. The goat mania. You don't need the topper. You just need to be on Insider Connected. Yes. Which, that's the way it should be. I like that a lot better. The main issue I have with Insider Connected are the kit price. It's not, $199 is not that bad because the node board is. That's not bad if I have a pro and I'm getting the apron. What's the price if I have a premium? Same price. Yeah, why? I don't need the apron. But it looks like your camera's already mounted for you and everything too. That's the part I have, like how can they possibly be the same price when they're different kits? Like one has an apron, one doesn't. You'll have to bring it up next time we talk to Zach Sharp, the head of marketing. Are they going to say like, well, $200 is actually the lower price, you see. We're keeping it at $200, even though we're giving you an apron. It's like it's a node board, like a $10 camera. I mean, eh. And your Wi-Fi dongle. Yeah, another $10, $20. And cabling. Okay. I'm just stating everything that's in the cable. I know. I'm not trying to be an a-hole at that part. I'm trying to actually tell everyone if they have not seen the kit. I'm trying to get one right now. I can't get one. Yeah, they're like prioritizing operators. I'm trying to get it for an operator. I'm an operator. I'm trying to get it for a location game. Here's the funny thing. I get an email from the Stern Marketing Department saying, hey, we want you to get Insider Connected. And if you can't get it, email us back. And I email the next day, hey, I'm looking for an operator who will sell – a person who will sell it to me. nothing back. I was like, really? Thanks, Stern. You were there. Don't you know who I am?
    60:56
    Well, Mr. Sharp, Zach, tell me. He doesn't listen. Josh might. So he'll, he'll pass it along. No, he won't. They still talk to each other once in a while. Once in a while.
    61:12
    But yeah, I would like to get a kit for eventually Batman 66. That's the one I want it for. noted player eric stone had a three-hour one trillion point game of batman 66 i know that sounds like torture to me honestly i own a game yes that sounds like three hours i just oh amazing stamina a three-hour tour a three-hour game a three-hour game the ball started dragging on the pinball wanted to tilt if not for the courage of eric stone the pinball would be lost yeah i would not want to pay that game that long johan asks is this low five volt on stern simpsons and weak coils on no fear please well weak coils on no fear is probably both the driver boards on Both.
    62:12
    The driver board on Simpsons, which is a low 5 volts, is usually the bridge rectifier. There's only one bridge rectifier on the – if it is, the White Star boards. Yeah, it's White Star. Okay. Well, no, I'm assuming it's not the early data east. You know, people still call sometimes that. Oh, no, it says Stern Simpsons. Okay, so yeah. There's a bridge rectifier on there. Check that. Make sure it is pushing it, you know, getting the voltage in and getting the voltage out. If you go to PinWiki, they show how to test for that. On the weak flippers, see what your voltage is at your flippers first. Don't assume that you have weak flippers. First, check the voltage. When's the last time they were rebuilt? Yeah, that's the next thing. But the first thing is check the voltage. If you have 50 or 55 or 60 volts there, you know it's not that. Then start checking your links, checking your coil stops, checking your EOSs. make sure you're not just going on just the hard power and you know or maybe the weird weird thing is your rs's aren't working or wired wrong you got to go through everything and check it definitely but as i said for that you want to make sure first voltage you want to see what your voltage is at the flippers and that you can also look on pin wiki pin wiki.com yes and test that please if you've never touched a voltmeter before then you got to start finding people who notes of knowledge local to you if you were close to us in rochester you can get us you can hire the best techs rochester pinball collective which oh my god we've we're finally getting our repair list down we are we are eight ball went bye-bye today xenon should go this week last week gorgar went bye-bye gorgar beat me yeah so it was nice and we're actually getting room so i can actually work on other things yay all right let's see last one here joe asks twippies but now it's not the twippies we we we support the twippies you know that and you know jeff has done a great job with this week in pinball but the twippies have always rocked if you want to vote for us we will be happy to beg for your vote please vote for me okay but uh you know They're calling it pre-vote, which I hate. I hate it so stupid. You can't vote before you vote. Yeah, exactly. And then there's also Degenerate, the Degenies. The DGs for Pinball Degenerates. Yes. Who's the most degenerate? Yes, I love Joe. Favorite homebrew? Definitely be Poker. Yes, yes. Or Sonic. Yes, Sonic. Sonic's great. What would I, I think I already, yeah, I voted. Yeah, I voted. Let's see. Game of the Year, is that on here? I don't think so. These are the ones I think are just getting the list started, yes. Because Game of the Year, you don't need a list because you know what games came out. What do you think is going to be the Game of the Year? Oh, it's going to be definitely Jurassic. Godzilla, I mean. Definitely Godzilla. Home run. Definitely Jurassic Park. Definitely, definitely Jurassic. No. Godzilla. So why? Well, what came out this year? You had Godzilla. You had Halloween. You had... Poor Halloween. Yeah, I know. I watched Carl D'Angelo's Dream. Oh, it just kept on breaking. Oh, my God. It just kept breaking, and then he ended up selling the game. Yes, he did. I know multiple people have sold their spots at a loss. Yeah, yeah. And they're putting out code releases, but it's just not a fun game.
    65:48
    I'm still waiting to see all the clips. Yeah, I know. It's got that weird art that, like, moves, and it's just weird. I just, I don't know. Not feeling it. what else came out this year uh what was the beginning of the year mandalorian mandalorian yeah that ain't gonna compete against godzilla what else oh uh we have uh the valhalla yeah we also have jj oh that's right jjp didn't put anything out in 14 months what the fuck let's talk about that one right now jjp they're putting out games just one game that they're No, that's not true. They did run more Wonka.
    66:28
    Yeah, who cares? Hey, I like Wonka. 16 months was your last announcement for pinball machine. That's longer than a usual car year where they tell you there's changes and that kind of stuff in each model year. We're missing a Stern. There had to be at least three this year. What else? Let's go. Let's go back to Stern pinball. Let's look. They're Stern. They don't just do two in a year. Was Avengers? Avengers was. No, that was last year. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
    67:02
    Have yourself a merry. Oh, Jurassic Park pin. Okay. Now, this is another one. Here we go. I love when you go to Stern and you have games and you click under games. Games. Affordable home games.
    67:17
    What? Led Zeppelin. I think that was last year. Led Zeppelin. I think it was this. It was the end of last year, because I remember Jeff ordering it. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, so there's only two. Yeah, that's it. I'm looking. I'm going through them all.
    67:31
    So, yeah. It's interesting looking at their in-production games. Jurassic Park pen, which they made a run of. Godzilla.
    67:40
    Mandalorian. I guess Zeppelin was the one before that. Star Wars, the pen. Supposedly in production. Avengers, in production.
    67:50
    Star Wars comic art, the pen. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Stranger Things is considered in production Star Wars is still considered in production Jurassic Park is still considered Deadpool, people are still waiting for their Deadpools Iron Maiden is still considered in production Guardians is still considered in production and the poor people, if you got an Elvira House of Horrors and have been waiting a year and a half you're going to keep waiting and the Beatles Yeah. Those are all the games that are considered in production. That's insane. Yeah, Led Zeppelin was released the 15th of December, so yes.
    68:28
    Okay. So that will be in the list. Yeah, it's got to be Godzilla. Got to be. Yeah, it's got to be. Home run. Not even, you know. No.
    68:39
    I think that was it for the questions. Thank you, listeners. Thank you, listeners, as always. You can always email us. How did they get in touch with us, Ron, besides Facebook? You can send us an email at slamtillpodcasts at gmail.com.
    68:55
    Did you plug us on your last show? I think I did. Now, I never listen, so if he cuts it. I haven't listened to this one. I've actually been listening to audiobooks lately. Ah. So I have not listened to podcasts in a little while. I only listened to one or two. Actually, I've listened to three. He's reading an audiobook, The Johnny Watt Story. No, Skippy the Beer Can. Yes. The Expeditionary Force.
    69:21
    Good book series. But I listen to just usually when I'm working on games. That's when I start listening to pinball podcasts. I've been listening, you know, just not as much. I have not gotten to the newest Silver Ball Chronicles that Ron is on. Oh, yes, that's what we're talking about. Silver Ball Chronicles. Listen to our latest episode about Gottlieb. We're on the pinball network.
    69:42
    Oh, come on. You with your anti-Gottlieb. Yeti has a hoops. I do have a hoops. There is some good Gottliebs. Mm-hmm. You could have bought a Sinbad today. How could I have bought a Sinbad? Very easily. A friend of ours in Illinois is selling one. Oh. And he's always coming out here once in a while, so you have a stopping point, don't you? You're assuming he would drive out. He usually flies out. He has driven out. Yeah, that one time. Twice. Okay. So guess what? There is history.
    70:15
    Father Christmas. Give us your money. Have yourself a merry little Christmas. I'll say that now. It's after Thanksgiving, so the Christmas stuff is perfectly legal now. Totally fine. I can't wait. I get to go to another concert in April.
    70:39
    Yeah. I'm going to go see Weird Al. Ah. With Miss Steph and a couple other people. Uh-huh. He's coming to Rochester.
    70:49
    I got a message from Steel Panther this week saying, hey, we got new shows coming out. See their new bass player? Yeah.
    70:59
    Yeah. Yeah, they lost the hottest bass player in all of. Yeah, Lexi. Lexi, he's gone. Damn it. I know. I don't know how they're going to continue with this. They will. They will definitely continue. Of course they will. Let's see where they're going to be. They're going to be on the West. Oh, they're going to be in Australia. Steel Panther is going to be in Australia. You hear that, Ryan C.? And New Zealand. Oh.
    71:26
    They're going to be in Melbourne in October. Mr. Pat can watch them. Of course, he's watched them before. Yes, exactly.
    71:33
    Yeah, they're plugging their Ohio, Indiana shows. They just put two more shows out. I was like, okay. You can see them on New Year's Eve at the Squamish Clearwater Casino Resort.
    71:47
    That's the name of the place. In Squamish, Washington. Not scrumshus, but. Squat. S-U-Q-U-A-M-I-S-H. Okay.
    72:00
    Oh I saw it Number one player in the world Raymond Davidson got a doodlebug He did He doodling himself Go go go doodlebug You got to keep on doodling until you get to the top Go doodlebug Wow. Go doodlebug. Oh, man. If anyone gets this reference, I'll be impressed. doodle takes one bounce at a time yeah doodle takes one bounce it's a way for those who are wondering this is from the buckner and garcia pac-man album yes where they parlayed their one hit and pac-man fever into a bunch of songs about video games yep and that was go frogger go yeah go froggy go you gotta keep on hoppity get to the top god go do the album around somewhere I have my album still. I have a record and I have it on my album. What was it? Oh, Centipede. Yes. You can't run away.
    73:08
    Defender. The centipede, it multiplies every time. It comes after you faster and faster, row by row. Yeah. Oh, God. Do the Donkey Kong. You got to do the Donkey Kong. So for those who complain about Pinball Wizard, It could be way worse, man. Yes. Pac-Man fever. It's driving me crazy.
    73:33
    And the thing is, the sleeve of the album had the patterns for Pac-Man. Yep. I still have that album downstairs.
    73:41
    Request a show. I'm going to request a show for Steel Panther. I request you come to the Rochester – no, the School of Rock at the Rochester – Yes. Oh, could you imagine that? With the kids there.
    73:53
    Steel Panther comes in. Fuck, it's Gold Rock, yeah! We're going to fucking kick Birdman's mother down!
    74:03
    What else is on our list there, Killer? Oh, that was it. That was it? We finished it? There's not much news. There's not much until Rush comes out. Oh, repairs, repairs. Oh, repairs. So, uh, I had to work on an 8-ball. It had a bad hack in the harness next to the bridge rectifiers on the rectifier board. So I had to get a whole new board because it was all fucked up. Did some flippers on it, re-rubber kit, and did some tweaks and some light. I did 24 light sockets on this thing. Mm-hmm. Done. Out the door, money in pocket, customer ecstatic. They're happy, too. Gorgar's happy.
    74:45
    And Blackout, I think I finally got all those bugs taken care of Blackout, hopefully. Oh, you still have that Blackout? No, the blackout went back to the customer, and then it started dropping out. It started resetting. Jesus. And it was dropping five volts. I actually see it. It was like at four. When I had the game, I think he has low voltage in the house also. When I measured it, it was like 116. But when he turns everything else on the house on, like upstairs, the family's doing everything, and then he turns on his game, it goes down to like 115, which is my point where I'm saying there's a problem. And when he does that, the voltage on the board went – his original board, his original power board was like 4.92, and it would reset. So I put a new power board in it, and it's almost like rock solid at almost like 4.98, 4.99. So it didn't reset. It hasn't reset since. Knock on wood.
    75:37
    Okay. Thank God. Right now we have – Xenon is almost done. We finished that up. I think it's going to be going this week. I hope. so that I can actually start working on my games. We are working still on... Zach has a shorting smoking... What's the edible for high hand? Captain Card. Oh, that thing. Yeah. That's why he thinks they had the fuses in there, because they kept on just blowing fuses before. So they put the screws in. Oh, instead of fuses, yes. Their version of fuses. Yeah. So we're trying to figure that out. We have no sound on System 11 Space Station. And we have a stuck flipper on... Excuse me, sorry. First one tonight. Yeah. Rack them up. I got a sticky flipper I'm going to work on tomorrow.
    76:30
    Yep. And then I can start setting up Star Trek and Trident. And then after those two, I then start working on Quicksilver. because the play fields will be done next week, I was told.
    76:44
    So Ron will be getting his play field. I will be getting my play field, and I will start my build of Quicksilver. Exciting. I want to first get my old Quicksilver working so I know everything's working and then go to the new. And then maybe I can make some money on it. So, Ron, I hear you might be in the market for a second big game. let's see my repair well i gotta figure out why my stargazer doesn't boot some of the time especially since it has a weebly board in it cpu yeah mpu okay so i'm thinking lo-fi volts so that's from the fireboard not your fireboard that's coming from your sorry solenoid board yeah now here i had stars i have a weebly board in there boots up reboots continuous looping reboots so you're thinking okay it's probably the driver board brand new driver board okay it's probably the rectifier board brand new rectifier board okay it's got to be the connector that you know for the power going into the mpu brand new okay the connectors on the rectifier board. Brand new.
    77:58
    So you know what I did yesterday? I swapped out my Weebly with another Weebly. Hasn't rebooted since. What's wrong with that Weebly?
    78:06
    Same ROM? Same ROM. I might go to an individual ROM and try it first. So I might have to contact them. And we can't call them Weebly boards. I was told this by Ian.
    78:18
    Yes, but the thing is, no matter what Ian says, it says Weebly on them. because it's the website. It's just the website provider, but everyone calls them that. Unless you're going to say we're the ones who cause everyone to call them Weeblys, but when I'm on Pinsight, everyone calls them Weebly boards. Because the problem is if he said his name, which is Barkerland or something, whatever you want to call it, if he had that printed on the board, I'd call it that. He doesn't. So, Ian, sorry. I can't do it. Sorry, it's Weebly. Sorry, Ian. It's a weebly board. And I will say one thing.
    78:59
    Okay, you're sitting down. Okay, hold on. I'm sitting down. Now, is there any chance of you passing out if you're going to hit your head? If you pass out, you're going to hit your head. No. Are you going to say something like you actually LED'd something? I didn't LED my own game. Okay, here we go. Lopsicles.
    79:20
    Okay, now, what are lobsicles? Explain that to our listeners. Yopsicles. They're called the Yopsicles, actually. It is the – it's almost like a stern LED board. Well, single LEDs. Yes, single insert LED boards. And Scott, our own Scott, liked them. So one of our customers gave us a bunch of them to put in his game. And we did that, and it's on the Xeon. So the inserts are a little dirty, everything like that. I'm going to say, I have to say – Now, before you talked about them, you said they flickered and it didn't look right. But we know why. We now know why. Why? Because when Zach ordered the first batch of resistors, we're supposed to have 470 ohms resistors.
    80:07
    He did 4.7K. Wait a minute. He made a mistake? Yep. Ron, we lost Ron. We've lost Ron. Shit. Hold on. I need to get up there. Oh, man, I lied. I was in a position where I could fall. Damn it. Heating profusely now. Oh, ow. I can't believe. Zach was wrong? No.
    80:33
    Wait, no. Here's the worst thing. We installed them all. Oh. But here's the good saving grace. There's two places to put resistors on each board. So you just cut one and put the new ones on? I didn't have to cut them. It lowered it down to like 540 ohms. So it worked. All right. So I will say they are an acceptable thing for inserts. Inserts. I will agree. The cool white I will be doing on one or two of my games in the future.
    81:08
    Sorry, I'm feeling faint here. So did you just say you're putting LEDs in your game? Possibly, yes. So Zach was wrong and you're putting LEDs in your game. It's a two for one. Wow. You're going to have a heart attack, aren't you? We might have to end this soon.
    81:25
    I'm going to have to drink some water. There's only one problem with them, and I got around it. It's certain areas where you're trying to mount them. If it's in a tight area where there's like a couple lights next to them, like inserts next to them, they're a square design. I actually had to trim them to get them to fit in certain areas. Would you put them in your Quicksilver? Yes. Okay. What does that tell you? So I might have to get some obstacles. Me and Zach were talking about it for maybe next game or two. All right. When I get them and you see me physically putting them on a new game, then you may show all the world. Well, I think the obstacle guy, he should, like, use you in advertising. Look, I've even converted the hard-ass, dumb-ass person of Bruce. Bruce Nightingale uses them. Like, what? He doesn't use LEDs ever.
    82:19
    It's like life cereal. Look, he likes it. Hey, hey, Brucie. See, he likes his LEDs now. Only those. The sockets ones, they suck. All these cheap. We have some comets and hoops. They suck. What's wrong with them? They always weaken up. You got to turn them, take them out, put them back in. And it's not the insert. It's not the. Really? I've never had any issues with it. It's terrible. Okay. It might have been an earlier generation of comets also. But guess what? Oh, so now I've got to spend more money to get a better version? Fuck that. Okay.
    82:58
    Yeah, you love dealing with Bruce, don't you? You hate everything. Over five years. I don't hate everything. I'm encouraging the obstacles. What does that tell you? In five years, I've matured.
    83:13
    Fuck no. You have never matured. Okay. I have changed my opinions on a couple things. Okay. I have one last thing I'm surprised you didn't mention. What's that? Didn't you win a tournament? I did. See, and you weren't even going to mention it. That's how modest he is, folks. Yes. The November Rochester Pinball Collective monthly tournament we had. We had 27 people. 12 made the finals. and I finished first and I beat Andy Cushman head to head. It was a really great time. Good games. Enjoyed everyone being out there. Thank you for coming out.
    83:59
    That's all I'm going to say about that. See? Nice and easy. That was nice and easy. I don't like to talk. Trust me. We had a discussion. We have a private chat. Me, Ron, Zach, a couple other people and one of them asked, when are you coming out to a tournament? I was just telling Kathy this today I have more fun I told Zach this yesterday I have more fun going out and getting games and fixing them up than I do playing lately I really do I enjoy the repairing and fixing and beating something that's my challenge I'll never beat a game like Godzilla or Jurassic Park but if I fix it I beat it you beat it by fixing it You got it. Okay. A wacky problem? Fix it. Speaking of Jurassic Park, it passed the Raymond-Zach test. What was that? There's nothing wrong with the way it plays. It's just me. I suck. Oh, well, that's a given. Well, I just needed confirmation.
    85:00
    Actually, Zach said it played better than his, and he'd swap if he wanted. Oh, wow. Of course. What did Stu say about it? Stu didn't play it. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. I want to make sure, because, you know, Stu would be a very impersonal. you know, impartial person. Yeah, I never asked him what he thought of Jurassic Park.
    85:18
    So that means your game is great and you just suck. What are you going to be selling next? When you get this next game in, which is going to be, what's next on the chopping block? I was thinking about this, actually. I'm first on the dibs, you know, of course, as we always stated. Well, like I said, Spider-Man or maybe Jurassic Park.
    85:41
    I don't know. I've got a love-hate thing going with Jurassic Park, like I said. I'm sorry about Getaway. Oh, I couldn't sell that. My dad would kill me. And I like Getaway. I like Getaway, too. You know that. I was looking around. It's just like, eh. I was thinking maybe Whodunit.
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    But I like Whodunit. I've had three or four. I've had four of them. Well, the funniest thing about Whodunit, after Stu quit, well, he didn't quit. After he got his ass kicked and left, and Raymond was playing my games, he gets to whodunit and it's like, you ever see the switch bug? Or the floor bug, whatever. There's some kind of bug where it's like you go... No, not that one. This actually wasn't a bug. It's an Easter egg.
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    It's a Dwight Easter egg. Where basically it's... Oh, what's the deal? You go into... It's a floor you've already gotten off at. Say it's like the third floor, but you've already done the third floor. When it's going between, like, say, the first floor and the fourth floor, you hit the buttons like crazy as it goes through, and then all of a sudden you can see the floor three, even though you already got off on it once. And if you can get off on it again, you get some kind of switch frenzy thing. Oh, wow, I didn't know that. Yeah. So he's trying to show this off. Meanwhile, he gets the revolver, he gets the multi-ball, and he gets the jackpots up to like 400 and something million per jackpot. Next thing you know, he's the new GC with like a 9 billion score that I will never beat.
    87:16
    And the whole game he was just trying to show this one thing off. Well, you know what you do with that? It's very easy. Yeah? Reset scores. No, I can't do that.
    87:30
    You're good. but uh no i don't know i don't know i don't know yeah but you know i gotta make room for the godzilla yes you do but it's not gonna be till next august at least yeah or 30 year after yeah thank jesus fucking christ you know and then when i met pintastic i played a bunch of countdowns like man i really like countdown oh i love countdown i i wish i didn't sell mine but i might have to Zach wants to find an Excalibur now. An Excalibur? Did he see it on stream or something? Yeah, he did. That was the one last night, and he said, it's Countdown with a multiball and ramp. Mm-hmm. So we might have to try to find one, but I don't know if we ever will.
    88:15
    I was trying to convince Zach to buy The Games, another Gottlieb. Oh, it's like, okay. Yeah, it's just called The Games. Yeah, it is called The Games. It's based off the Olympics 84.
    88:27
    I like that game. can't convince Zach though can't convince him I know he doesn't want to go halfsies with that one
    88:38
    too many halfsie games well what do we got coming up then we'll wrap it up here so we got the Godzilla launch party oh I want your opinion we're going to do it live right now okay live opinion do I have to make sure I don't fall over and stuff again you might fall over after this one also Flipper Frenzy Yeah, I love flip. You know I want to play in one. Okay. How about six?
    89:02
    Six hours or six frenzies? Six frenzies. Like on the same day? Same 24 hours. How does that work? Every tournament would be every four hours. So flip frenzy, four hours of flip frenzies. Six of them. Six four-hour flip frenzies. Okay. I do it. You know how tired we would all be? uh you would be yes yes i'm fine i think we want to do this at the co-op okay and if you if you do all six tournaments and make it to the end you get a nice reward at the end like you know at the sanctum you get the thing you can't if you miss one of the tournaments like you can like say if you're like oh fuck this you don't have to be in that sixth tournament but you don't get the reward at the end yeah well yeah they give you a medal literally like that kind of thing also yep and you limit it to like 48 people the max or even less maybe in 36 you know how many points you'll get for that i just want to play in a goddamn flip frenzy well we're talking about having one in february at the co-op so there's your first just don't make it the same weekend as in disc when is in disc that's the beginning of february no we were talking like i think we were talking like the end of february uh then you're good i know yeah i think Indisc is the weekend of the 5th, 6th. Let's see. I'm looking right now. Oh, yeah, first weekend. Yeah, I think we're talking like the third weekend. So, yeah, we were talking about a flip frenzy then, so we get the hang of it, and then 24 hours of flip frenzy. So we're going to have one in February, and then we're going to have the main 24-hour like in April. How does that sound? Okay. Painful?
    90:47
    Not to me. 24 hours of flip frenzy you gotta remember I did the one at Sanctum every year and I drive to home I drive home I drive 2 and a half hours home after it I drive 5 hours I do it without Red Bull I don't drink Red Bull and coffee I knew it went out that so yeah that may be our plan in April we might have a 24 hour flip frenzy finally someone convinced him to do a flip frenzy I'm amazed No, Zach did. So we're going to see first how this other thing goes. I'm amazed. Okay. You'll hate it. You hate everything. I hate everything. Okay, so let's kill this puppy. No, do not kill puppies. Okay, let's kill this cat. No, not cat either.
    91:32
    What can we kill that everyone hates mice? No, some people probably like mice. Slugs, maybe? Bats? Vampire bats. Vampire bats or COVID bats. COVID bats, yes. Okay, let's kill this COVID bat. Yep, go ahead. This has been episode 177 of the Slam Tilt Podcast. Again, we can be reached at slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com.
    91:56
    Check out our website, slamtiltpodcast.com. All our links are in the upper right-hand corner. I stream occasionally. Golden. Great. Oh, God. Great, great things like the – I got a lot of people watching the Stu versus Raymond match. It was very entertaining. I'm sure we will be streaming on ROC Pinball's Twitch channel, the Godzilla Launch Party. Yes, go ahead. You were going to say something? Yes, Delaware Pinball Collective, congratulations on getting all 50 of your games inside the building. Congrats. Yes, very cool. Nice job, Joe. 50 machines got moved up. They started at 7.30 in the morning yesterday, and they were all set up at 5 p.m. I love the inter-co-op support. Yes. They got a lot of nice games there too.
    92:46
    Even in a Centaur 2, your favorite. The wrong cabinet. No, it's a great cabinet. You love that cabinet for some reason. I do love that cabinet. I don't know what's wrong with you. You realize it's just leftover rapid fire cabinets. Not rapid fire. It's rapid fire. Yep. If it's the Williams one that looks like that, it's a hyper ball cabinet. Yes, I know. So, yes. Thanks to all our listeners. Thanks to everyone in our various support groups. I'm not going to name you all, but hi, Zach. Hi, Zach. Hi, Steve. If I'm a bonus. Yep. I'm out of practice, you see. I see that. Boy, where do you get – look us up on Slamtail Podcast. I said all that. And you can also check out my other podcast, the Silver Ball Chronicles. That's two plugs. Yeah, it's two plugs. You only limited one. Oh, limited to one. Okay, forget I said that then. Yes. Okay, on the Pinball Network. But forget I said that too. Thanks, everybody. Until next time, say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Justin Charlton.
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    Oh my But why I can't sing anymore. It sucks. It does. You just have to watch me singing. Oh, that's even worse. I'm all out of love. I couldn't even imagine trying to hit that last note now. It's all without you. I can't be too late. To get to the toilet. I got to take a shit I got to crap now The poop is coming out It's gonna be nice and soft Ooh, what are you thinking of? Where is the toilet paper? Hope I got enough All right. Ray Ray getting a doodling. Doodle bug.
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    Doodle bug. You put the doodle in your head. Whip me up before you doodle. Because it's limp as a noodle. Oh, no. There you go. See? No. Yes, we're all going to go for it. No, no, no, no, no.