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Tribe Multiball with Rachel and Tim: Episode 15, The Tribe Story

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Aug 26, 2021
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TL;DR

Tribe members share personal pinball news and discuss game design while welcoming guest Drew Rogers.

Summary

Rachel and Tim from Poor Man's Pinball Podcast's Tee'd Off Tribe segment discuss their recent pinball activities with guest Drew Rogers. Key topics include Rachel's tournament experiences and new machines (The Shadow and Ghostbusters Stern), Tim's unexpected purchase of an Addams Family machine, and Drew's transition into new content roles following Scott Ian's departure from the main Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. The group discusses game design philosophy, particularly regarding music-themed pins and licensing, and various machine gameplay experiences.

Key Claims

  • Scott Ian has stepped down from his duties at the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast

    high confidence · Drew Rogers announcing major personnel change; cited family reasons

  • Rachel owns seven pinball games in a single room

    high confidence · Rachel directly states she has officially filled up her room with seven games

  • The Shadow's soundboard is a notoriously difficult-to-repair component with no reproduction available

    high confidence · Drew explains the technical challenge; mentions Pin Sound as a $400 alternative

  • Led Zeppelin (Stern) is a weak game compared to other music-themed pins like Metallica and AC/DC

    medium confidence · Tim and Rachel both describe it as a 'snooze fest' with forced theming; Steve Ritchie's last game at Stern

  • Music-themed pinball games that feel 'forced' (like Led Zeppelin) underperform compared to thematically integrated ones (like Metallica and Iron Maiden)

    medium confidence · Tim's detailed explanation of the difference; extended discussion on theming philosophy

  • Metallica's song catalog is underutilized in the pinball game

    medium confidence · Rachel wishes for 20-30 songs; both agree licensing constraints limit options

  • Sam Stern (Spooky Pinball) released a UV kit for Stranger Things and subsequent accessories generate significant revenue

    medium confidence · Drew mentions UV kit release and notes accessory sales are a viable business model

  • Ghostbusters Stern has a new code update that significantly improved the game

    medium confidence · Rachel mentions new code was released about 1.5 years ago; Drew notes improvement from old code

  • Tim purchased an Addams Family machine unexpectedly after telling multiple people he wouldn't buy for several months

    high confidence · Tim directly recounts the narrative and timeline; purchased from a collector couple who owned it 21 years

Notable Quotes

  • “Tim Dan Lee sucks at pinball”

    Drew Rogers @ early in episode — Humorous running joke; establishes the playful dynamic between Drew and Tim

  • “Scott Ian is definitely irreplaceable. So thank you for everything, Scott Ian.”

    Drew Rogers @ mid-episode transition — Acknowledgment of Scott Ian's departure and his technical/creative contributions to the podcast

  • “I told at least five people on Friday that I wasn't going to buy a game for a while... And then Terry called me and essentially said that he had somebody that had a really nice collectible game that they wanted to get rid of. And they were looking for somebody to buy it... So I ended up buying an Addams Family, not planned, from a great couple.”

    Tim Dan Lee @ personal news segment — Illustrates the spontaneous nature of collector acquisitions and relationship-building in the community

  • “When you're playing Led Zeppelin, you're thinking about Led Zeppelin. But when you're playing Metallica, you're not thinking about Metallica... Does that make sense?”

    Tim Dan Lee @ game design discussion — Key articulation of the design philosophy that differentiates successful music-themed pins

  • “Everyone tries to like build pinball machines. They need to be building accessories. Yeah, I agree. You know, there's so much money in that stuff.”

    Drew Rogers / Rachel (responding) @ business discussion — Identifies a potential business opportunity in the pinball accessory market

  • “Scott Ian and I are still friends. We actually went out drinking on Saturday... so you know as far as him and I go you know life is business as usual.”

    Drew Rogers @ Scott Ian departure discussion — Clarifies that personal relationship remains intact despite professional departure

  • “I sent it out to Chris Hibbler so my The Shadow has been defunct for a couple weeks now”

    Drew Rogers @ machine update discussion — References Chris Hibbler as a repair specialist for difficult restoration work

Entities

RachelpersonTim Dan LeepersonDrew RogerspersonScott IanpersonTerrypersonChris HibblerpersonDwight Sullivanperson

Signals

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Scott Ian has stepped down from Poor Man's Pinball Podcast after significant tenure; cited family reasons; handled technical and creative production (audio, video, Twitch, Facebook, stream deck)

    high · Drew's formal announcement and multiple acknowledgments from Rachel and Tim; Scott Ian mentioned in farewell episode; still maintaining personal friendship

  • ?

    content_signal: Poor Man's Pinball Podcast transitioning to new content model; Drew Rogers taking lead on clip shows and future substantial content; considering name change out of respect for Scott Ian; planned minimum twice-monthly release schedule

    high · Drew directly states plans for clip shows releasing in 1-2 days, future substantial content, and preference toward 2x monthly cadence; considering name change

  • ?

    product_concern: The Shadow (Williams pinball) soundboard has ROM error with no reproduction available; repair specialist (Chris Hibbler) required; Pin Sound alternative costs $400

    high · Drew's technical explanation of 10-bong error code; references obsolete component; mentions Chris Hibbler repair and Pin Sound alternative pricing

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Led Zeppelin Stern criticized as weak music-themed game with forced theming lacking playfield depth; contrasted unfavorably with Metallica, Iron Maiden, and AC/DC which have integrated theme gameplay

    high · Extended discussion by Tim and Rachel; Tim articulates philosophy that successful music pins don't require thinking about the band; Rachel corroborates assessment

  • ?

    code_update: Ghostbusters Stern improved significantly through code update approximately 1.5 years ago; new code brought game 'a long way' from older version

Transcript

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0:00
Hey, Poor Man Tribe and listeners, this is Glennie Rogers, and you're listening to the Tribe Multiple Podcast with Rachel and Tim. Poor Man Tribe's the thing, that is who we are. It is true. They're not in this thing, so how could it go wrong? Flip away with us, to an old blockade, and then we'll learn about each other. From two pennants to another Rachel and Tim, who do we have on the show today?
0:40
Hello friends, welcome to Try Multiball with Tim and Rachel, a pinball podcast that focuses on a pretty cool collection of pinheads that share a mutual belonging to the tribe of the poor man's pinball podcast. I am your co-host, Rachel Lilge, along with your other co-host, Tim Lee. How are you doing today, my friend? Good. How are you, Rachel? I'm doing pretty good. Would you like to just jump right into our personal pinball news? Yeah, let's go for it. All right. Should I go first today? Absolutely. We can argue about it if you want to. No. Okay. You go first. All right. I don't have too much to report. I've been playing at home, really enjoying my demolition, man. I had an opportunity to go to another launch party. This time it was for the Avengers Infinity Quest. I really do enjoy that game, the amount of flow that is on that game. It's such a pleasure to play. It's a great game. Yeah, it was at Plymouth Tap, which is, again, the little tavern not too far from me that has seven new sterns, including that Mandalorian. I ended up coming in third, and I walked away with a stern lanyard. That was pretty cool. Okay, awesome. Yeah, I tend to lose against the same two players. I'm not going to mention them because one of them does listen to this podcast, but he knows who he is. I just need to play better, play smarter. What I like so much about playing there is that it's a small amount of people. It's about six usual folks that come out to play, and this event might have had 10 or 12. It's nice when it's that little because you get to observe how other people play. You get to interact more. It's about building those pinball relationships. Right, Tim? Absolutely. That's it for me. Like I said, real short and sweet. Oh, okay. You know, I didn't do a lot either. I went to my friend Terry's house. Terry is a 30-plus year pinball technician for his family's amusement company. He has about 10 to 12 really pristine games that he's brought back from the dead.

  • Drew Rogers has clip shows in production and plans to release content at minimum twice monthly under the Poor Man's brand name

    high confidence · Drew explicitly states plans and timeline; first show releasing 'in a day or two'

  • “Storage facility multi-ball is like the best multi-ball with a shaker and pinball.”

    Tim Dan Lee @ Ghostbusters discussion — Identifies a standout feature of Ghostbusters Stern that elevates gameplay experience

  • “I think that you know that's why you do pin browser and these different things you can make it happen”

    Rachel @ Metallica licensing discussion — References community tools for customizing game content within existing platforms

  • “Aerosmith is a very underrated game.”

    Tim Dan Lee @ music pins comparison — Reassessment of a music-themed Stern machine's quality, contrasting with Led Zeppelin

    • Steve Ritchie
    person
    Sam Sternperson
    Jonathan Hallperson
    Poor Man's Pinball Podcastorganization
    Tee'd Off Tribeorganization
    Demolition Mangame
    Avengers Infinity Questgame
    Star Wars The Mandaloriangame
    The Shadowgame
    Ghostbusters Sterngame
    Addams Familygame
    Led Zeppelingame
    Metallicagame
    AC/DCgame
    Iron Maidengame
    Aerosmithgame
    Game of Thronesgame
    Plymouth Tapvenue

    medium · Rachel and Drew discuss game quality improvement; Drew notes code update timing; Rachel hasn't played old code version

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Successful music-themed pinball games integrate theme into gameplay rather than forcing theme onto generic game design; Metallica, Iron Maiden, AC/DC succeed; Led Zeppelin, Beatles, Aerosmith debate ongoing

    medium · Tim's detailed explanation contrasting Metallica vs Led Zeppelin gameplay experience; extended group discussion on design principles

  • ?

    collector_signal: Tim Dan Lee acquired Addams Family despite recent statements about not purchasing; spontaneous collector behavior driven by community connections and venue availability

    high · Tim directly describes telling multiple people he wouldn't buy for months, then purchasing within 24 hours through Terry's connection; purchased from 21-year private collection

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Metallica pinball game's licensing constraints limit song selection; community desires 20-30 songs but game includes fewer; licensing and rights management prevent fuller implementation

    medium · Rachel and Drew discuss Metallica catalog depth; both reference licensing as limiting factor; Pin Browser mentioned as workaround for customization

  • ?

    business_signal: Pinball accessories market identified as high-revenue opportunity; Spooky Pinball's UV kit for Stranger Things generated significant sales; aftermarket customization spending rivals machine costs

    medium · Drew and Rachel identify accessory business potential; reference Sam Stern's UV kit success; note Jonathan Hall's significant pre-purchase accessory spending

  • ?

    community_signal: Pinball community emphasizes personal relationships and venue-based social dynamics; players value small groups of regular players over large tournaments; relationship-building prioritized alongside competitive play

    high · Rachel describes value of small venue (6-10 regular players) for observation and relationship-building; Tim describes friend Terry's hosted gathering; both mention ongoing personal connections driving activity

  • ?

    venue_signal: Plymouth Tap operates seven new Stern pinball machines including Star Wars The Mandalorian; hosts organized tournament events; serves local community pinball play

    medium · Rachel describes venue with seven new Sterns; attended Avengers Infinity Quest launch party; notes small regular player base with organized events

  • ?

    industry_signal: Dwight Sullivan assessed as high-quality game designer with multiple successful titles (Ghostbusters, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Star Wars, Game of Thrones); favorably compared to other designers

    medium · Group praises multiple Dwight Sullivan games; Rachel notes Game of Thrones Premium Edition upper playfield as standout feature; contrasted with Steve Ritchie's Led Zeppelin

    • 2:50
    Probably about eight or nine of us got together at his place, went to a micro brew, came back, got some food, and just enjoyed each other's company and pinball for the evening. I did put four GCs on his machines.
    3:07
    I don't know that he was too happy with me. He told me to leave a couple of times. but since then he's sent me a message that said he's motivated to beat my scores so he got the taxi gc back but it was a good time he has just some really nice games he probably has the nicest earth shaker i've seen and he has just an absolute beautiful black knight 2000 that he really doesn't play but it's just he you know he doesn't get rid of it because it's stunning and he has a Nice taxi, beautiful fishtails. I think he has a party zone, Adam's family, and a fire, which is an odd game. You know, fire's an odd game. I put a little time on it. Not sure I like it, but as a former firefighter, it's a neat game to have. It was a lot of fun. And then I went an entire week without playing pinball. And then I told at least five people on Friday that I wasn't going to buy a game for a while because I was really happy with my collection. I just, you know, wasn't planning on buying a game for a few months. And when I bought one, I was going to trade a game. And I also told this to our guest today, literally 12 hours before this happened, that I just wasn't going to buy a game for a while. And then Terry called me and essentially said that he had somebody that had a really nice collectible game that they wanted to get rid of. And they were looking for somebody to buy it without necessarily advertising it. So I went with Terry to look at the game and I ended up buying an Addams Family, not planned, from a great couple who I just absolutely got to know and made another pinball relationship with. And they've actually since been texting me to see how the game is. And they had it in their house for 21 years and it was time to go. And I went up and the price was right, so I bought it. So unexpectedly, within 24 hours of telling numerous friends and family that I wasn't going to buy a game for a while, I bought an Addams Family, which is like going and doing a complete 90 degree turn. But it's a nice machine. It needs a little work, a little playful work that my friend Dan is going to do. But it plays 100 percent, but it needs cleaned and shopped out. I'm really enjoying it for the few days I've owned it. Well, first, it sounds like you had a really good time at your friend Terry's place. I love Earthshaker. I have not played a fire yet as a firefighter's wife you think that that'd be a game at seek out I just haven't come across one yet yeah you don't really see it that often out in the wild it's a fun game earthshaker was great I tried to buy Terry's earthshaker at least seven times and he won't budge but it's beautiful oh man it's just something about that game uh that era of games maybe just really speak to me second congratulations on the Adams family that is definitely a grail game for me have you owned it before is this the first time no honestly the first time i really put time on the game was the week before at terry's house and the reason he pinged me is because i said wow this is a pretty awesome game i had never really seen it in the wild and the one time i did the game that was on location was kind of broken so it wasn't a good experience so right it's it's a fun game i hadn't owned it i can see why everyone loves it yeah i think i've mentioned this before that was the first game that i recall playing pinball and i just love it for that reason every time that i see when i always try to get at least one game in on it yeah and those magnets man they mess with your mind oh yeah when they fly they fly all over the place the balls go everywhere and i i don't know how you have yours set up but the one that i play frequently has zero ball save does yours no balls save at all i don't even think it exists on that game oh okay i'm unaware but i think that's also what makes that game so much fun yeah no i agree but yeah it's cool game i didn't tell amy about the magnets and she's like what in the world's going on she started screaming and i'm like there's magnets in there but yeah they really messed with both of our heads so yeah what a fun game well congrats it's awesome and i think it's pretty funny you know that happens in life where you tell several people one thing and then you know something else kind of interesting comes along it catches your eye something shiny and new and you just pull the trigger why not yep couldn't pass it up yeah good for you yeah that's it well today we have a very important person a vip guest today vip well don't you think i'm a vip guest to have on our show this is it yeah i i agree it's a vip i just don't know what the v stands for i'll think about that see if i can come up with some other you know uh words for that type of acronym while we're podcasting today no no but you're right probably the reason both of us are here so that's how important this guest is yes absolutely the reason that we're both here i had the pleasure of meeting this gentleman last summer at District 82 when he came up with another person to live stream there. He was just hilarious. They were both just hilarious. And I'm just so excited to welcome to the show. He's not even a tribe member. Nope. Welcome to the show, Drew. Wow. Is there going to be some applause or what? That was quite a reception here. thank you so much rachel and uh i'm really excited to be here and you know i've been waiting for this for a long long time i mean i've been listening to all your guys's episodes they've all been fantastic except for that one with that unnamed person i'm just kidding um but i have been waiting for so long can i can i just say something sure i've been waiting so long to say this tim lee sucks at pinball yes yes yes can we get like applause plugged into that right there tim can you edit that in yeah yes i don't deny it yeah i do not deny it i do suck at pinball oh it was just such an opportunity for me after all these years did you feel relieved by saying that or would you like to say it again i do i think i think during editing you should just kind of like play that on repeat like 10 times over tim lee sucks at pinball. Tim Lee sucks at pinball. Just go into a loop with it. Tim Lee sucks at pinball. I think that's a brilliant idea.
    9:54
    But Tim Lee sucks at pinball. Well, let's just jump right into it. As our listeners know, there has been a little bit of a change over at the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Would you like to talk about that, Drew? Yeah, I didn't want to spend a whole bunch of time and hijack this episode because I have my own kind of audio show coming up soon that's going to kind of address this in a much deeper format, I guess. What I just wanted to say was, you know, for anyone who doesn't know, Ian has stepped down from his duties at the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. And, you know, I just really wanted to thank him for everything that he brought to the show and you know the the editing all of the audio video stuff i mean from twitch to facebook i mean i i learned how to do some of that stuff and i'm okay at it but he's become a wizard so you know some of our good clips and some of the way you see things spliced together and the stream deck and all the you know i won't bore you with all the details but just a lot of cool things behind the scenes that maybe you guys didn't know was happening you know a lot of that is due to Ian. And more importantly, just his personality and our chemistry. I've gotten several requests already from people who say they want to be my co-host and stuff, which I'm flattered by that. But at this time, we're not making any decisions, but I will just say that Ian is definitely irreplaceable. So thank you for everything, Ian. We had a blast. And like Ian said in his farewell episode, no, Ian and I are still friends. We actually went out drinking on Saturday. so you know as far as him and I go you know life is business as usual and we we had we actually had a really good time on Saturday and we got pretty drunk I'll be honest so anyways but yeah I just want like I said I wanted to get that out of the way just to let people know that you know it's just he's spending time with his family as he mentioned and it has been one hell of a ride thank you Ian I cannot say that enough uh because of you Ian and you drew to the two of you have opened so many doors and opportunities and meeting new people, pinball relationships, a podcast, all sorts of other really cool things. And Ian, I'm really going to miss you. I hope that you hear that. I don't want to cry. I've cried one episode. Let's not make it two. But I'm really going to miss you, Ian, because you're willing to put that kilt on when I asked you to. Usually you're so kind, funny, just really direct, off the cuff. And sometimes just like the little things you'd say underneath your breath, that's what made me laugh even harder. So thank you for everything. Yeah. Ian, thank you. You know, I respect his decision. You know, the reasons he gave were just, you know, family reasons. I get it. You know, I've been there. It was a really good run. I enjoyed everything that he provided to the show and to us as tribe members and love you, man. Thank you. You got my number call anytime. I really appreciate everything you've done for me as well. You were the one that actually poked the bear a little bit to get me doing a podcast, and I got Rachel involved, and if it wasn't for Ian, we probably wouldn't be doing this show. So when we break up, we're going to blame Ian? Yep. Okay.
    13:11
    I've been blaming Ian for 20 years, and I'm not going to stop now. Oh, he must have nice broad shoulders then, huh? No, he's got weak shoulders.
    13:20
    Got to pick on him a little bit. Yeah. So, Drew, let me ask. Yep. I don't want you to tell me what, but it kind of sounds like something's coming in the future. The show's not shutting down, correct? But you have plans? I do have plans. So I've been, yeah, I don't mind sharing because, I mean, to be perfectly honest, I'm not 100% sure what's happening yet. But what I have planned in the immediate future is I have a little more time on my hands. Like I said, I'm learning a lot of this audio software and some different things. So what I'm putting together at the moment is a couple of clip shows. You know, I don't know what that content is going to look like, sound like. I have my first show. I should be releasing that in a day or two, actually, because it's almost done. I do want to kind of warn people that the audio quality isn't perfect because, once again, I'm learning how some of this stuff works. And it sounds okay, but now I've already learned some new techniques after I got done editing the first one. There will be a series of these clip shows that will just kind of keep everyone satisfied for a little while until we can get something substantial off the ground. Okay. That's the scoop. You heard it right here. Yeah. So stay tuned for that. They'll come out under the poor man's name. You know, I don't want to alarm anybody, but I've been toying with the idea of changing the name. Okay. And the only reason because of that is just in respect for Ian, because without Ian, it's not the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Now you're going to make me cry, Rachel. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Oh, I would tend to agree with that. I totally respect that. So, like I said, nothing set in stone, though. I do. I love the community. I love doing this. Probably won't be doing it every week, but I would like probably at a minimum at least twice a month. Awesome. I think that's a good goal. Well, I'm going to wish you lots of luck and success as you go forward. And you know that you always have Tim Lee, who sucks at pinball, over here. Oh, no. Yeah, always. You always have our support. Anything we can do to help. Oh, thanks, guys. For sure. Except editing. Tim does that. Hey, do you know who didn't offer to be your co-host? Me. Yeah, that's true. I got Rachel She way better at pinball than you Could you imagine Tim Lee and I doing a weekly show It would just be Drew sucks at pinball Tim sucks at pinball Drew sucks at pinball We'd be like a bunch of five-year-old kids slapping each other. It would be pretty entertaining. I'd probably turn it off after about two minutes. Yeah. It would be very fun for Drew and I, but maybe not for everyone else. It would. Yeah, I think some people still don't get it, and they're just like, what is wrong with these two?
    15:59
    You know, it's funny. I can say this. When we talk on the phone, we do the same thing. Yeah, when there's nobody around. Yeah, no, it's very similar. Yeah, I talk to Tim, what, twice a week probably? Yep. Although I've been avoiding him lately.
    16:14
    Oh. Yeah, Tim, tell the story about how you got me to pick up the phone. It's actually pretty funny. I could not get Drew to answer the phone. I called him three times. I wanted to talk to him. So I was driving to Terry's. actually when I was driving to Terry's and I said Amy can you take my phone and call Drew I said because if you call Drew he's gonna think it's a client calling him about a house and I tried him like an hour before I left and he didn't answer so we put it on Bluetooth and Amy called Drew and sure enough hello this is Drew and I was like you son of a gun I'm like I can't believe you answered for her and not for me. And he's like, Tim? And I'm like, yeah, I told my wife to call you because you would think it's a customer. And he's like, I did. Yep. Every strange number now I pick up because I'm like, oh, that could be a client. So, yep, he answered. We talked for about 15 minutes. And now I saved his wife's number and now I won't answer the next time. poor thing that's great so drew so rachel since you're taking a little bit of a break from the regular podcasting that you're doing or podcasting what are you doing right now in your pinball world have you picked up any games recently uh yeah i picked up a couple i think i talked about them on the last couple of shows but it was um you know in about a one month period i picked up shadow and then the next week i got a ghostbusters pro i have officially filled up my room i now have seven games in a single room and it's awesome nice yeah that congratulations that's awesome do you like ghostbusters or shadow more or maybe the question is which one are you playing more of uh well funny story so pinball news uh related my shadow uh about a couple weeks ago when it was in a track mode i heard they call them the bongs like basically it's your soundboard and it's a there's there's a series of bongs like bong bong bong and you count them and that tells you what the error is and it also shows it on the screen so i had 10 bongs which basically meant there was a sound chip uh rom error so anyways those sound boards are notoriously hard to work on different things so i didn't even attempt it i actually had to i sent it out to chris hibbler so my shadow has been defunct for a couple weeks now that's sad it is well so the yeah the game play is 100 but it has no sound because the soundboard is obviously removed yeah your options are fix the soundboard because they don't they don't make reproductions of that particular soundboard which is one of the few or you can buy pin sound which costs four hundred dollars oh and then you can replace those soundboards with the pin sound and you know just put the you know usb software in there i guess or you could just play your spotify or whatever your favorite playlist is yeah and pretend that you're at a bar where you can't hear the game anyways you know what i didn't even think of that i played like half a game and i'm like oh this is stupid and then i was like you're right though most bars you can't hear the game so crack open a beer get yourself a shot whatever have a good time maybe i'll do that but i have so many other good games so it's it's fine for now but yeah i should be getting that that board back in the next i don't know two or three weeks so do you think that ghostbusters do you think that it really has such a wide gap when it comes to playing that game a lot of people a lot of people complain about that i think that that game is perfectly fine i really dig that game and enjoy playing it i i will say this my game did come with the center post kit and i left it in but you know i kind of mentally take notes about how many times like the ball hits the center post and bounces back out right right and yeah it's not that often and you're right so the gap it i really haven't noticed it you know i mean i i drain to the outlanes like all the time in that game like it's a brutal game but but not because of the the gap in my opinion i think it's just hard getting it up that left ramp yeah the left ramp is tough yeah but fun so it's a fun game all games are fun right drew Almost every one. Almost all. Is there a game that you don't find fun? Oh, let's see. There's been a couple over the years, believe it or not, and I really can't pinpoint them at the moment. Raven's pretty bad. What else? Jetsons. Jetsons is pretty bad. I played that once or twice. Have you played Big Ben? No, I have not. That was the most boring game that I think I've ever played. You know, there's a couple of, like, you know, early Solid States or some EMs that are like, eh, they're okay, but whatever. But no, you're right. Anything in the modern world, there's really not too many that I won't have fun playing. I mean, there's a lot of games I wouldn't buy, but not a lot that I wouldn't play. All right. I have been playing a Led Zepp Pro on location. That's a terrible game. I take back my answer. Great. I wanted to talk about that maybe a little bit. I've been playing that. I did put high score one on it and I tilted out and if I would have tilted out I would have gc'd it I was away from that by 10 million so it's very you know frustrating but anyways the game itself is what a snooze fest it is I mean you you just you get in front of it and you're like yeah it looks it looks good you know it's it's it's a you know Steve Ritchie game and and the art's okay the lights are okay but you know you just I'll be perfectly honest I haven't played the pro I played the premium and the premium i said yeah this game's okay but then i learned what wasn't on the you know the pro and i'm like yeah if that wasn't on there you know that would kind of suck and does that make sense yes yep yeah so that no the premium not a buy for me but the premium's a good game how's that i'll have to play it yeah yeah i think you'll appreciate that the spinner was okay the spinner happened to be working it was working fine so the spinner mech in the middle was pretty cool but uh yeah just that that whole game i mean i'm i'm an okay led zeppelin fan like you know they're not huge on my music list but uh you know i don't i don't hate them was that richie's last game at stern yes right tim i believe yes that's interesting and i i just want to say i thought the game was kind of a stinker and kind of a letdown because i am a led zepp fan so uh but maybe again i have to play the premium to make a little bit more judgment call on that it is fun for two bucks so i can play i can play for an hour you know it's great do you guys think sorry do you guys think more people are you more critical of a game if you really like the theme yes okay yeah i think so because if it's not a good game and you really like the theme you're going to be disappointed well i was disappointed by the beatles and i have played it once or twice since making that having that thought and i still find the game a little bit disappointing but i I suppose it's right for the era of music. The game feels right for the era of music, if that makes sense. It does. Yeah. And so I have enjoyed it, and the songs are fun and everything. But being a big Beatles fan, I still think it was a disservice to them. But I like Aerosmith. I like the band Aerosmith. And I think that game's a lot of fun to play. And some people think it's junk, too. So Aerosmith is a very underrated game. I agree. I find that fun, yeah. Yeah, I've played Aerosmith a few times. in the last couple of months and i really enjoy it the beatles was kind of eh to me operator friend mike dropped off a lead zeppelin i played it a lot for two weeks and then it sat here without being played for for six weeks and that's the entire family nobody played it but aerosmith very underrated game drew you nailed it and here's the thing about it there's i i think i've said this before on our podcast it's like you know to me these music pins there's some music pins that feel forced you know i.e like led zeppelin and what's the other one yeah i guess aerosmith somewhere where basically they take a game and they try to make a theme out of it just because it's a big band right like ac and dc well but then you have games like ac dc metallica and iron maiden that you know they don't feel forced they it doesn't matter if it's that band is my point You know what I mean? Like like when you're playing Metallica, you're not thinking about Metallica when you're when you're playing Iron Maiden. You're not thinking about it. But when you're playing Led Zeppelin, you're thinking about Led Zeppelin. Does that make sense? That makes complete sense. Absolutely. Yeah, it does. That's because there's nothing on the play field to shoot. Well, that that's that's part that that that makes up part of it. But even like Aerosmith, you know, Aerosmith has the cool toy chest. it's got a little bit of a unique design because it's got the elevator and it's got the pops on the left you know so there you could theme it as something else and it would be okay right so that's just my that's my take i've given this a lot of thought because i'm such a metallica and iron maiden pinball fan don't you think metallica should have like 10 more songs oh by by far their catalog is so deep they should definitely have more yeah just after owning guns and roses I loved Metallica and I'm like I just wish it had 20 or 30 songs I really do oh I totally agree they need more but you know it all comes down to money and licensing and all that stuff but yeah I think that you know that's why you do pin browser and these different things you can make it happen yeah you can swap out the songs it's the stern way we're going to give you a blank canvas and you're going to spend $10,000 on it and then you add whatever you want and spend another $10,000 well i hope it's another 10 grand oh yeah rachel's getting her iron maiden soon yeah so i have looked a little bit at mods to that shaker motor i think is because just that would be so badass and i don't know a couple other little things it's fun it is fun there's always fun stuff but yeah shaker motors need to go on almost every game period it would be better than our pal j hall and right oh yeah yeah he's the premium man so i'm trying to be better than him and not order things before i get the game and just trying trying to like hold on just hold on we'll get here soon jonathan hall spent more on his pro stern game and accessories before he even got it than i spent on my first pinball machine oh wow that's funny dude he is still sending me stuff oh yeah i think today or yesterday he was still sending me stuff that he's getting for the machine for his turtles well you get you get excited because it's like it's not just the new pinball machine it's your first new in box game i think that's his second right maybe he had an avengers yeah he did get the avengers but yeah you you get the new in box game it's kind of like buying a new car right you buy a new car and now you're like well i need to get these seat covers or i need to get you know, this thing or, you know, a new charger, whatever. Yeah. So accessories, you know, that's, that's where everyone gets it wrong. Everyone tries to like build pinball machines. They need to be building accessories. Yeah, I agree. You know, there's so much money in that stuff. So that really is actually, that's a great idea. There's gotta be some way of, I'm going to think about that, Drew. Thanks for the other little line of business I'm going to look into now. I don't have 3,812 other tabs open in my head, but you know, that's a great idea. I think Stern tried it with Stranger Things, and then they released the UV kit, and everybody's head exploded. But to be honest with you, I really liked that they gave you an option to buy it. It is great, and much like everything else, especially that Stern is doing, and I'm not going to beat up Stern for it. I think it sucks, and I'm not buying all that crap, but they're really smart because they're – guess what? People are buying them, right? Yeah. And the shooter rods and all the other stuff. Right. So they're doing just fine, and their decisions are all very thoughtful, and they're not really greedy. They're just good business decisions. Interesting. I agree. Hey, Drew, before we move on from your personal pinball news, what's your high score on Ghostbusters?
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    Where am I at? I think I just got it the other day. I was at 2.2. Keep trying, buddy. 6.2 billion. 6.2. Yeah, you can really get that game. That game's crazy because you can literally play a game and be at like 10 million. Yep. And then you have a good game and then you're at like 700 million or 800 or a billion. And then, yep, I'm working on the multipliers. I'm figuring it out. But yeah, 2.2 I think is where I'm at. Nice. All right. Keep trying. I love the stay puff mode there. That's my favorite part of the game. That, and I always say that the, what's the multi-ball? Oh, crap. Oh, storage facility multi-ball. Storage facility multi-ball is like the best multi-ball with a shaker and pinball. You and I talked about that, and I totally agree. And now I've been paying more attention to that multi-ball once it starts as well. That multi-ball, when you're playing it, is also one of the best, in my opinion. yeah it is it's fantastic that's that's it's no longer underrated but it was an underrated game yeah the new code has brought it a long way from what i understand i i never really played it with the old code because uh they've had that new code for what a couple of years right yeah it's been about a year and a half so but yeah solid game good good effort i think i'm a dwight sullivan fan me too what are his other games uh ninja turtles nope i sold turtles no no but that's another dwight sullivan oh dwight sullivan yes dwight sullivan uh ninja turtle star wars uh what else see game of thrones he is game of thrones yeah which i love that game yeah me too i'd like the premium on that by the way over the pro i like the upper play field i didn't when it first came out and now i want a premium because i think that upper play field is awesome after a pretty game it is it's it's a good and that's a show i've never watched really really yeah i've never seen game of game of thrones i'm the one percent in the world and which is crazy because i'm into sci-fi fantasy kind of stuff but that game is so much fun to play i find it challenging i felt it find it rough oh just so enjoyable here i can i can sum up game of thrones for you in two minutes you ready actually it'll be 20 seconds go guys fight with swords blonde girl gets naked blonde girl rides a dragon blonde girl gets naked again somebody attacks blonde girl yep somebody attacks Blonde Girl then Blonde Girl has been doing this for a long time and makes a lot of money and tells the producers she not going to get naked anymore And end
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    Well, good for her. One more piece. Dragon saves Blonde Girl. Oh, yes. I forgot about that. Yeah. She had three dragons. Two of them died. Last dragon saves Blonde Girl. Yep. Interesting. But I believe that the books aren't even done being written, correct? Yeah. He's writing the books? Well, you know, I think he's just like rolling around in his money right now. Oh, probably. I mean, it was a stupid amount of money he got for that. Yeah, people went bonkers over that show. As a side note, I'm a big fan of The Wheel of Time books. It is 13 books in this series, and Amazon is coming out with its own show in November. And I'm a little nervous because I've been reading this series for 20 years. I'm not kidding you, for half my life. And I just really hope that they do a good job with that. So I feel the same way as if they would make that into a pinball machine, man, they can really screw things up. Right. Yeah. Anyway. Well, I will say bringing it back to pinball. I will say that I've, I've watched every episode of game of Thrones and when I play that game, I don't think game of Thrones. No. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. It doesn't, it doesn't resonate. I just, I really liked the game. I really liked the show, but together they don't really work. It's just kind of weird that way. I'd have to watch the show to make a better opinion about that. Well, I think part of that's just the DMD, because when they try putting actual clips on a DMD, I think it looks bad.
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    Right, so distorted. Correct. So that's probably part of it. So, Drew, how did you get yourself into pinball? Well, I did arcade games for a long time. I grew up with arcade games. I'm a child of the 80s. I never saw the 70s. I was close, but I didn't make it. Not like Tim Lee, old man Lee over there.
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    Watch it. Hey, I was leaving you out of it, Rachel. You just outed yourself. Yeah, yeah. I'm 42. No problem. I can announce it. As of 2021, right now. So anyways, yeah, just, you know, arcades. And then I started buying arcade machines. Ian and I started fixing them and, you know, doing the MAME stuff and all the, you know, just emulating games. And, you know, the problem with arcade games is they all get to be the same, right? You know, there's no, you can learn the patterns and all that stuff, and it's okay. But, you know, a lot of arcade games, let's be honest, they suck. You know, they were fun when we were kids, and there's some nostalgia there. But you play them now, and you're like, this game is terrible. Right. Yes. It's so boring. Yes, there's a few, like Burger Time I'm still into. What else? Even, like, Street Fighter. I mean, I played it so much. I'm just like, eh, you know, and I used to love it as a kid. Do you think as a kid those type of games were much more of a puzzle for your brain to figure out? Yeah, that's part of it. They were definitely more difficult. But, you know, games like Burger Time and Dig Dug and Pac-Man, I mean, you know, it's kind of like pinball. You try to get to a high score. You try to see how far you can get, right? So there's some competition there, which is kind of cool. But it just, you know, I had these games. I was fixing them. I would fix them, put them in my room, and then I wouldn't play them very much. So then one day Ian gets a pinball machine, a Black Rose, because he's really into pirates. So he got it strictly for the theme. So he's like, hey, check out what I got. And I think he paid like $2,200 for it or something. I know that's like crazy times, right? So he paid a little over two grand. He's like, this is the most expensive game I've ever bought because we were just buying a couple hundred dollar arcade games at that point. And, you know, I said, okay, cool. So I go over there and I played a couple games and I just fell in love with the mechanical aspect of it. You know, it had nothing to do with the theme. It just, and the theme is great and the sounds are cool and all that stuff. But I just, you know, I'm watching the pop bumpers. I'm watching all this cool mechanical stuff because I'm not handy, but I like tinkering. I like taking stuff apart. So then I just really started learning about it, and I bought Last Action Hero, I think, what was that, probably like two months later. Wow. And then the rest is history. Then I sold all my arcade games so I could buy more pinball. Sounds like everybody else that we talked to. It's their collections to get into pinball. Black Rose is a fantastic first game. Just with the, I like the, I have to think about that, with the right-hand shot, it's kind of like a little Whirlpool, right? Yes, the Whirlpool ramp. yeah it goes up the ramp and in the little swirly swirly mcgig yeah and then it has all the different video modes and the little fire and those video modes are cool by the way it's one of the it's one of the rare 90s games where the video mode is actually kind of fun i agree whenever i get into that mode i usually actually hit just the fire button i don't usually use the flippers to do that because i think i can do it faster well there's like four yeah i was gonna say there's like four or five uh little games in there so right uh but i scream i get so excited i'm like hurry up come on swim faster you know because it just that game was just so much fun oh that's neat you i didn't know that it's uh so yeah like i said that that started my love with pinball i go i go meet this guy down at rockford illinois and uh you know i get last action hero and he he had been doing the hobby forever and he told me everything he knew about it he's teaching me about circuit boards and all this stuff and and it just really you know it was just so cool everything about it and then you know then when i you know met dave brennan and he was teaching me how to do stuff and just learning how to fix games and and uh you know so i'd play them all day and then at night when my wife went to sleep i would start working on them so i'd be spending like lots of time with these machines right interesting how did you meet dave uh we met dave through ryan kuiper okay yeah So that was, we had been doing pinball for, oh God, because I think I bought Last Action Hero in 2015 maybe. So I've been in, what, six years, something like that. So, yeah, so we, you know, I'd been doing it a couple of years, just playing, tinkering, learning. And then we met Ryan Kuyper, who had recently, he had met Dave a few months before we had met him. So that's how we all got hooked up. Okay. I love it. And Ryan was on the show quite a few times in the early days. Yes, and he will show up a lot in the clips because, yeah, in the first, I think the first 10 episodes, he was on like four or five of them. That's cool. Ryan and Dave are pretty cool guys. Oh, they're great. They're great. Yeah, Dave's knowledge. TurboGrafx-7. Yep, TurboGrafx-7. Check them on Twitch. They just hooked up with Buffalo Pinball. Yes, they stream on Friday nights. Good stream. Good guys. All right, so you've bought and sold quite a few games. what was your favorite game you've had in the house oh metallica okay well i should you know i always tell you know what i'm going to change that answer like metallica is my favorite game but that wasn't what you asked you asked what my favorite game in the house was correct who that you've owned yeah it has been at your house at one time yep yeah you know what it's probably going to be simpsons and i can say that wholeheartedly because i've had simpsons the longest by by a long shot like a like i think if you if you don't count simpsons the longest i've ever held on to a game was like uh eight months and yeah i'm right there with you yeah yeah i know that's why tim's giggling over there yeah i've had simpsons since 2019 so i've had simpsons i think it'll be three years coming up here soon so two two and a half maybe i don't know i gotta check but yeah i've had simpsons quite a while but every other game has left within a year I know Rachel's like, what the hell? Yeah, that's crazy.
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    That short amount of time. I think I had my Lost World for like a year and a half, something like that. But nuts. Yeah. So like Simpsons over the last year or so, I've only, you know, I only play it like a couple of times a month because I have all these other games. But, you know, Simpsons is one of my favorite themes. And as you know, the game is really great. So you kind of put those two things together and, you know, it's awesome. But like I said, just pure pinball. Metallica is one of my favorites. But, you know, I like their music, but, you know, the themes is what it is. Yeah, I haven't come across Simpsons since Pinberg, and the one at Pinberg just was not – it was broken. So – well, it was Replay FX, and I just didn't get a feel for it because things weren't working. So I went to my friend's house about two or three weeks ago to play, and he had a really nice Simpsons pinball party, and it broke right before I played it. And he had said it had been working for years, and it just happened that an opto died, and it was the back opto. So the ejection of the ball went to the trough, so it was that back opto. So he's like, yeah, we're not going to be able to fix that tonight. Yeah. But I was so disappointed that I didn't get to play it. Yeah, it's funny you say that because ask me how many times I've lifted the play field on Simpsons. How many times have you lifted the play field on Simpsons? That's a great question, Rachel.
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    Once. so so yeah i've you know i know how to work on games you know i can usually fix stuff i've had that game for yeah like i said two and a half going on three years whatever it is i've lifted it once and i've been having a kind of issue with it it's it's not broken it just needs some adjustment so that's all i've done is just a little bit of adjustment but one time so shout out to stern and i'll uh spider-man has been here for a while as well and the same thing i have never lifted that play field i am jealous that you have spider-man tim lee is not permitted to come to your home he's gonna break it and i'm jealous of spider-man that's that's on my uh my want list yeah that that's another one that's you know it's probably top five and a lot of that has to do i mean the shots are great it's a great steve richie game and the call outs are amazing but um you know i'm just a huge spider-man fan so yeah it's a kitty yeah always always the animals here but uh Yeah, so Simpsons, yeah, I would say Simpsons because I think about selling it because it's got a lot of value and it's not that sentimental. I mean I really like the game and stuff, but then every time I get close to selling it, I'm like, nah, I'll just keep it. We'll keep playing it. Awesome, dude. Do you have a dream theme other than Futurama? You're making this tough for me.
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    I think that our listeners would be interested in knowing. Hold on. Let me interject there. Yep. I was talking to one of my insiders at Stern, and they did tell me that a Futurama is coming out. You are an asshole, sir.
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    I'm telling you, it's for real this time. Tim Lee, I won't fall for that three times. Yeah, check out episode something where Tim Lee's an asshole to Drew.
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    Let's see. other you know there's i'm not a horror fan but um i do like spoofs so like uh army of darkness would be one for me that would be awesome yeah if you guys if you guys haven't checked out the sequel to evil dead called army of darkness where they basically the same actors make a spoof of their own real horror movie it's it's pretty good it's funny um that one would be good back to the future would be up there just because my son loves the movie so much and i i enjoy the movie what else there's there's some good movies out there that ah see you put me on the spot futurama is my go-to that's right sorry yeah everybody knows that obviously so yeah i don't know what about you rachel what uh what what would be your dream theme the beatles okay well they screwed that up i know i'm sorry i'm sorry okay i can answer a little bit more properly i i think about that too because i get asked that quite frequently too i think that grease would be a pretty cool game like the movie you know from the year i was born you can look that up i see i see what you did yeah it would be cool to have another cat or an animal themed game and then the other day it dawned on me that is there a christmas themed game at all or because there's halloween so or you know halloween's coming out and there's other stuff but i'm just thinking about like that'd be kind of interesting it'd have to be nightmare before christmas oh yeah night from before christmas be cool but i think just something more generic because you think about like it's whirlwind and earth shaker and white water and they're just these real general ideas yeah you know so can we do one that's like the national parks or something or even the quite Well, they have that one, right, called Vacation? Sure. Or Frontier is kind of like that, right, I guess. Didn't Keith Elwin joke he's making one called Laundry Day? Yep. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, I think it was on Loser Kid, and they were talking about themes, and he's like, yeah, we could do, like, Laundry Day and have, like, a washing machine. Right. Yeah, I can see that. But, yeah, those themes, you know, the problem is, like I said, even though a lot of them could be cool themes, you know, the non-licensed stuff just doesn't sell anymore. But I'm with you. like Earthshaker and Mousing Around and all these great things that weren't themes, but they are themes, they're just not licensed themes. They're awesome. Right, correct. Because that's what people, yeah, they confuse that sometimes. They're like, oh, you know, they are themes. They're just, you know, unlicensed. Not licensed, correct.
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    I think Grease would be the only licensed theme. Oh, the other one is Buffy the Vampire Slayer. And then I had a gentleman that shared with me a Buffy the Vampire Slayer game that was skinned with it and that was really cool so i know it does that one does exist did you see the ferris bueller i did that one looks really good so tight yeah that would be a cool theme too always i did think of one though rachel while you were talking here yeah and my wife is a big pearl jam fan like one of one of the biggest and you know i'm an okay pearl jam fan you know if if it weren't for her i'd be like okay whatever but that would be a game that would get her into pinball so i'm going with pearl jam i think pearl jam would definitely work in the right demographic too especially if you're a person that you know went to high school in the 90s i think pearl jam is a big part of me growing up so yeah that's a great idea oh lots of people on uh pin side have asked for it i mean it's not like you know they they have they've been around for like 25 almost 30 years i think so right you know it's not like they have a big following and their followers are in their 40s and 50s right so exactly i think it would be more attractive than a rush or a led zeppelin to the pinball you know yeah yeah i agree well i i think i think rush would probably relate no whether you're a rush fan or not i'm not a huge rush fan i'm just saying i think for the pinball demographic rush is probably better you think yeah just because they're more of like like that you know that 80s band you know all these were the 80s bands right what about journey journey would be good i think there would be there be something there they made a journey video game that was awful look that one up it terrible what about a karaoke game You know I love karaoke It something else Not a lot of people know that about me but I love to sing And I think that would be entertaining where you shoot the ball in the scoop and you get a random song. So you get like, don't stop believing by Journey and you have to sing it. And there's a microphone. But then now that seems like there's a lot of stuff going on there. Well, but just no, you're on the right track. Imagine, you know, they've talked about this too. what about a guitar hero pin yep you know you have like a layout like guns and roses and then you're just playing different songs from different bands yeah well you know if any of the manufacturers and the powers that be are listening to any of these great ideas please credit drew tim lee and myself thank you what they really need is a transformers 1984 that's my dream theme we know that that's you you've said that more than i said futurama yep i've said it about a thousand times you know what my boys really want is a theme and i said this on uh the poor man show before they want a speed racer pinball machine and i would always say i don't ever do a speed racer pinball machine even though i would love it but when we turned on mandalorian one of the names you know they put the names in for the high scores one of them i think it was the high scores was racer x and my kids immediately both at the same time josh and noah my boys their heads almost exploded and they started making this commotion and i'm like what what are you what are you doing they're like it says racer x that's a sign that you know they're they're that's a premonition that speed racer is coming someday so my kids are that they haven't they've brought it up at least 20 times to me that they're like that has to mean that speed racer is coming in the future oh i I don't think it's ever coming in the future, but that Racer X on the Mandalorian has them thinking. For you guys out there who don't know, Tim Lee's kids are like college age and younger. Where did they see Speed Racer?
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    When they were kids, they watched the newer movie. Okay. And they both still watch it. But then I used to watch the old cartoon. Well, I remember that. I've seen the old cartoon, but even I was like, I think a little young for it. But then, you know, they had like reruns and stuff on. Yeah. Yeah, I used to watch the reruns, and then they would watch me watch the reruns. So they really enjoyed it, just the show, when they were really little. And then they watched the movie that came out a few years back. Okay, okay. They both love Speed Racer. I don't know why. You know, just these kids these days, I'm thinking, like, you know, because people are talking about, like, Pokemon pinball. And, like, I never knew anything about Pokemon. And I'm like, what? And they're like, yeah, we grew up with it. And I'm like, how old are you? And they're like, well, we're, like, 35. And I'm like, oh, okay.
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    What about the Peanuts? Snoopy, Minus. Oh, yeah. I could see that for sure. Harley Brown. Absolutely. Absolutely, that'd be a good theme. That'd be really fun. All of those. With the football mechanism. Yes.
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    Lucy's got a football, and she lifts it. Sometimes you miss and fall on your butt, like Charlie Brown. That'd be kind of funny. All those 70s and 80s pins would be great. Yeah. Or cartoons. Well, me, like I said, I'm a huge cartoon fan. And some of that raunchy stuff like Beavis and Butthead or Ren and Stimpy. That's what I want to see. Now I'm going to dream about a homebrew of the Peanuts. Thanks, Drew. What's another thing to think about about pinball? It kind of just infects you, right? Well, it does because one thing, Lisa, I try to explain pinball to people. There's so many facets to it, right? Because you can play pinball. You can fix pinball. you know you can design pinball right you can tinker with it i mean you know there's collect you can play competitive yeah podcast yes dream it yes there's so many articles about it you can photograph it it goes on correct yeah it's just it's just a it's a wonderful hobby that way because you know i know people that you know they don't play very much but they're still really involved in the hobby or they all they do is play and then when their ship breaks they say um i need someone to fix it, which is fine. My buddy Terry doesn't play his games. They're pristine. He says he plays them a little bit, but he just likes to keep buying them and restoring them.
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    That's his hobby. That's what he does. That's his business too. You can make a business out of it. That's what the smart people do. Not like me. Just spend all my money.
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    I'm just like you, buddy. That's why we're friends, Tim Lee. We're both idiots who suck at pinball. Very true. No comment.
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    So what else, Rachel? I know you got more questions for me. That's it. That's actually, I think, all of my questions. Well, that's great. No, this is awesome. Tim, is there anything that you'd like to chit-chat about? Yeah. Well, we have the most important question that we'll end on. Are you ready, Drew? I'm ready, Tim. Okay.
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    That was so creepy. I don't know. I don't know if the realtor's got creeped up by that. I did that. I used to do that to Ian like twice an episode. And he would say, no, that's why I do it for effect now. It's great. I always, I'll like, you know, and when you're watching on Twitch, it's great because I like lean into the mic real slowly. And I'm like, yes, Ian, what do you want?
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    I got a little excited. I don't know. It creeped Rachel out, but I'm feeling pretty good. Go on, go on, Tim. Rachel, you don't know what was going on underneath the table at the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Nope. I sometimes would have to write hand check in the comments because you just never know. You would. And my wife would always, you know, she would just say, are you guys going to touch penises tonight? I'm like, yep, we sure are. I love it. Oh, I just want to say, let's put a little something else here. I am definitely going to miss Ian because the two of you have such great camaraderie together. you can tell that you really love and care about each other and to me that is what made the poor man's pinball podcast i don't even like using that word sorry might make me cry again no but it really that's what made it so great is because of the two of you together so if you do decide to change the name to something else i think that would be fantastic because how can you change excellence Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. And I just want to add one more thing to that. Very early on, we weren't worried about our ratings and how many people were, we just wanted to entertain people. But we learned that the more we were ourselves, the more that we didn't try to make bits or write scripts or whatever, actually more people would listen. And funny enough, the less we talked about pinball, the more people listened. You know, it is kind of this weird thing because and they would tell us exactly what you said, just that, you know, we were just hanging out, just being us. And and the way we interact with one another was was the proof in the pudding, as it were. Yeah, I love it. I love it. OK, Tim, I cut you off. Let's get back to you. All right, Drew. This is a little different, but I'm not going to ask you how you got into the tribe since we won't let you in. But from what Ian told me, the tribe was your idea. So tell us how did you come up with the idea of the tribe and how did it start? So contrary to popular belief, I actually – I don't do so much anymore, but I've read a lot of books in my life, okay? Pop-up books? Yeah, well, some of those, some of those. But like most recently, it's a lot of nonfiction books, I'm sorry, you know, like business books and stuff of that nature. You know, and I own businesses over the years and do different things. So I've read a lot of these books. And one of them is by J. Conrad Levinson. And anyone who's in business or sales or, you know, self-promotion, whatever, he he came up with this concept many years ago it's called guerrilla marketing okay and he wrote several books on it and basically what he talks about is you know every business has customers right you know you need customers to survive customers pay your bills you know all that stuff but the really successful businesses they actually create unknowingly this thing called the tribe you know these are the people that love your business so much love the way that uh you service your business, you know, love the way you deal with people, all that kind of stuff. And they become your mouthpieces, you know, so the tribe is your, you know, inner circle of clients or customers or whatever. And, you know, they're the ones that are constantly saying, hey, check out this person, check out this business, right? You know, it's not so much about what you're selling, but, you know, you're selling yourself. And then they're like, hey, this guy or this girl or this woman or man or whatever is just awesome. and you should do business with them because they treat everyone the right way. So anyways, and I read this book. Oh, God. I'm looking right now online just so I have my facts right. It was May 1985 is when he wrote this book. So it's, what is it, 30 years old, right? 40 years old? Sure. And I read this book, oh, I think in my early 20s. So we're talking about a long time ago because I'm an old man now. But it's always kind of stuck with me. And when we were doing this, you know, Ian and I would have these conversations and we'd say, how can we grow our podcast? And one day I just kind of thought about this and I said, oh, yeah, what about this grow marketing? And I just said, you know, I just kind of blurted out the tribe. So, you know, I expanded it to Ian when I was kind of talking about and we kind of talked about it. We were talking about how great the community was and why did you know the question that we posed to ourselves was, why do people listen to us? Because on the surface, we're just a bunch of idiots. Right? Yep.
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    Hey, hey, hey. Thanks for the validation, Tim. What, Tim? So on the surface, we're just these two goofy guys that just talk about whatever. And that's all true. But underneath it, like I said, and you just said it a couple minutes ago, Rachel, it's our camaraderie, right? It's how we interact with people. It's how we interact with each other. anyways I just kind of bred this whole thing and and I you know at first we said oh let's have a group you know and I said no it's not a group you know it's got to be something better than a group and that's that's kind of where the the tribe was born so we we started with that little idea and then we fleshed it out and holy cow this thing just took on its own life obviously I mean you guys are doing a podcast and when you came to me with that idea like I'm see I'm speechless right now I don't know what to say because it was just it's so awesome that you guys because of what Ian and I did, you guys came up with this idea about this community that we've all built together. So that's where it came from. Awesome. I actually hadn't heard that story. So that's kind of neat. Yeah, that's actually the first time I think I've told that story. So it's a multi-ball, tribe multi-ball exclusive. Okay. Well, that's pretty awesome. I will say this, I consider you one of my best friends now. And even though I just constantly pick on you, You constantly pick on me, but I love you. I pick back. Yep. And I really appreciate that you and Ian started the tribe because I have so many good friends now. Isn't that cool? That is the coolest part about it. Absolutely. I mean, Glenn calls me before work. That's how good of friends we've become. I text Rachel constantly. I mean, everybody I've kept in touch with and everybody we've had on the show I've talked to now. They can't get away from me. So the special pinball relationships we talked about. That was in the episode you skipped, Drew, the one that I was on. Yeah. When I post stuff online now, yeah, I would say half of the people that respond to anything I post online are tribe members, which is just awesome. It doesn't matter what I'm posting about. My family, my friends, my work, and you guys and gals are always the first ones to respond. It's awesome. Yeah. It's a good group. Lots of love. Lots of love and lots of poking and ribbing. Yeah, for sure. It's a really fun community. And what a great way to promote your podcast. And I perhaps need to read that book. Once again, Guerrilla Marketing, J. Conrad Levinson. I recommend it. Like I said, any sort of business you're in or just, you know, just any. It's good life stuff in there. He's the real deal. Because there's also like grassroots marketing and stuff, you know, because really the real function of his book is how to, you know, how to advertise on a budget, you know, or if you with no budget, you know, what can you do for free to, you know, market yourself? Very cool. Well, thank you, Drew, very much. I appreciate that. Well, thanks for having me, guys. This was honestly very, very cool. It's been great because I haven't been on the airwaves in a couple of weeks and I really, really appreciate this. Is there anything else that you'd like to talk about? before we let you go not a particular topic but once again i just want to say i think you guys are doing an amazing job with this and from the bottom of my heart i i really appreciate it especially now because you know that the content shit your content has been way more polished than anything ian and i have ever put out so no it's been great i hope you guys keep it up i hope you get through every single tribe member and i really hope that we will collaborate on some stuff in the near future. Thank you, Drew. That was so sweet. Yep. Yep. No, I hope we collaborate as well. Thank you. That means a lot. I appreciate it. We're going to keep going. We have the next three tribe members lined up. Okay. Okay. Yeah. This, this train's going to keep on going down the track. Thanks for being my awesome co-host, Tim, the tuna Mount Lee. I got it in. Yes. I hate tuna, but you're welcome. I know. And thank you, Drew, for everything. And thanks for being our guest. appreciate you thanks rachel and tim this is a lot of fun and uh let's let's talk real soon okay sounds great take care happy flipping happy flipping drew sucks at pinball
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