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Stern Rush Pro Pinball w/ Joel Engelberth, Raymond Davidson, Dennis Kriesel, & Jeff Teolis!

Flip n Out Pinball·video·2h 20m·analyzed·Mar 12, 2022
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TL;DR

Stern Rush Pro 0.89 code stream with designer Ray Davidson discussing rules, records, and game depth.

Summary

Joel Engelberth streams Rush Pro pinball (code 0.89) with guests Jeff Teolis (Pinball Profile), Raymond Davidson (designer), and Dennis Kriesel. The discussion focuses on Rush's complex rule set, record-shot mechanics, multiball stacking, drum bonus scoring, and comparisons to Led Zeppelin. New features in 0.89 include additional video clips and refined mode mechanics. Guests praise the game's accessibility and depth compared to Led Zeppelin, with emphasis on physical toys, shot variety, and risk-reward gameplay.

Key Claims

  • Rush 0.89 code was just released a few hours before stream

    high confidence · Joel opening: 'the new code was just dropped like a few hours ago so this is 0.89'

  • Jeff Teolis achieved 280% mode value on Rush by hitting 28 additional record shots before starting a mode

    high confidence · Joel explaining Jeff's record-building strategy: 'Jeff hit 28 shots, additional shots, before he started his mode, and that meant that the value of his mode was going to be worth $280 over top of the normal one'

  • Record progression carries across all three balls and is not lost upon draining

    high confidence · Joel/Dennis discussion: 'you can spend ball one and two completely avoiding your middle shot and just building records, building records, building records'

  • Drum bonus can reach 4X or 6X multiplier with drumstick and record combinations

    high confidence · Ray Davidson: 'If your drumsticks are running, they're active, they'll be 2x. And if you have a record locked in on there, it'll be 2x on top of that. So, yeah, you could get 4X or even 6X drum bonus'

  • Limelight mode times out after 15 seconds and requires hitting time machine to re-enter

    high confidence · Ray: 'after you hit your first arrow in limelight, you got 15 seconds of fame. and then it's up and you're out of the limelight. To get back in the limelight, you've got to hit the time machine'

  • Rush is more accessible to casual players than Led Zeppelin due to physical toys and simpler entry points

    high confidence · Jeff: 'just hit the time machine, and things will happen' / Joel: 'There are toys, there are mechs in this game that are fun' vs Led Zeppelin Pro having 'no toy to excite you'

  • Pin Monk created custom colored gel inserts for Rush's six song targets to match record colors

    high confidence · Joel: 'the six songs normally are white white inserts and um that is not the case pen monk i worked with him and we made these gel inserts'

  • Ball save can be changed mid-play using flipper controls

Notable Quotes

  • “just hit the time machine, and things will happen, which is true. You'll get a multi-ball, and she has a lot of fun”

    Jeff Teolis@ 16:26 — Highlights Rush's accessibility to non-hardcore players through simple entry mechanics, contrasting with Led Zeppelin's complexity

  • “There are toys, there are mechs in this game that are fun, there are different shots that are fun, and then the code in my mind is even further layered”

    Joel Engelberth@ 17:38 — Core design philosophy: physical elements + deep code create engagement for all skill levels

  • “Everything you did great in Zeppelin, you brought it into this and built upon it and done even better. Sophomore slump, isn't that what people are always worried about? I think you're good, Ray.”

    Joel Engelberth@ 18:05 — Validation of Ray Davidson's design work; addresses concerns about sequels not matching originals

  • “I had to actually, so instead of you to not just do that all the time, when you start the mode, your shot multipliers turn on. So you do want to start the mode eventually because you want shot multipliers.”

    Ray Davidson@ 21:26 — Game balance mechanic: prevents pure record-stacking dominance by incentivizing mode start for multipliers

  • “What I like about this game? There are so many, I find, not easy shots, but fun shots. The spinner, the right ramp.”

    Dennis Kriesel@ 28:39 — Validates playfield design quality through diverse shot options with appropriate difficulty curve

  • “I did text you, didn't I, Ray? I said, how do I know what mode I'm in, or how do I change the mode? And you said it's the rush stand-up on the right.”

Entities

Rush ProgameJoel EngelberthpersonRaymond DavidsonpersonJeff TeolispersonDennis KrieselpersonLed ZeppelingamePin MonkpersonFlippin' Out Pinballorganization

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Designer Ray Davidson actively present on stream explaining mechanics and design decisions; collaborative design feedback with players like Jeff Teolis

    high · Ray explains game balance decisions, participates in rule clarifications, discusses design rationale (e.g., pulsing records, ball saves)

  • ?

    community_signal: Strong third-party ecosystem supporting Rush; Pin Monk's gel inserts, potential for custom mods indicating high community investment

    high · Joel promoted Pin Monk multiple times; custom colored inserts matching record themes; rapid production turnaround

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Record-shot stacking as dominant strategy; players building 200%+ mode values across multiple balls represents new risk-reward meta

    high · Jeff's 280% achievement; Ray's design decision to gate multipliers at mode start to incentivize eventual play; multi-ball record building tactics

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Potential UX issue: mode color identification requires player memorization without reliable in-game feedback despite Pin Monk mod addressing this

    medium · Joel: 'I'm starting to know the colors... But if I could look down... I would know for sure what the songs are'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Rush intentionally designed with dual-track appeal: physical toys/mechanics for casual players + deep rule complexity for competitors

    high · Jeff: 'just hit the time machine' strategy for non-players; Joel: 'toys, there are mechs in this game that are fun' + risk-reward record stacking for experts

Transcript

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0:00
cool i think we're good i think we are alive hello um youtube or facebook or anybody twitch anybody that's watching this after the fact uh my name is joel this is the flipping out stream on thursday night so normally bill and uh bd and courtney and everybody they stream mondays typically earlier in the week and then um i stream every other thursday so this is thursday february 24th um rush pro we're playing rush pro tonight and um yeah the uh the new code was just dropped like a few hours ago so this is 0.89 so we're gonna yeah we're gonna have a good time with that tonight um play some more rush uh hopefully people funnel in and ask questions and uh yeah Should be a real good time. But before we get too far in, let's go ahead and run this. Just in case you're wondering where you should buy your new pinball machine, you should buy it from Flippin' Out.
1:23
Sweet. That's a nice, really good delay there with the camera. Brian. Kaz. How you doing, buddy? Methadone. Mervin. How you guys doing? Hope you guys are doing well tonight.
1:44
What just happened? This Griff. Thank you for the follow. Appreciate that. Yeah. Let's have a good time tonight. let's um let's play some rush um you probably see over there it says thanks to pinball monk the reason i have that is right down here these uh the six songs normally are white white inserts and um that is not the case pen monk i worked with him and we made these gel inserts to fill those clear ones so now they represent the appropriate song colors that correspond with the record so i can definitely explain that more once we play more happy to do that guys coming in with the bits thank you brian appreciate it man griff hey oh no problem yep uh matt morrison sent a pic he got 2.7 billion on his le yeah there's a lot of people that play this game that are a lot better than me so um we are not going to get anywhere near that high score but that's fine all right All right. Let's hope that... How's that?

high confidence · Ray: 'He added these ball saves that you can change with your flipper' / Joel: 'as soon as you get your ball save lit, you can change it with your flipper'

Joel Engelberth@ 26:49 — Indicates potential UX clarity issue: mode identification requires color recognition without clear visual feedback

  • “I messaged him on a Thursday. I scanned it in on a Friday. They were on my doorstep on a Monday.”

    Joel Engelberth@ 25:46 — Highlights strong aftermarket support ecosystem for Rush; Pin Monk's rapid turnaround demonstrates community responsiveness

    • Ed Robertson
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    Pinball Profileorganization
    Godzillagame
    X-Mengame
    Loser Kid Pinball Podcastorganization
    Eclectic Gamersorganization
    Stern Pinballcompany
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    market_signal: Rush established as accessible yet deep alternative to Led Zeppelin; positioned as Ray Davidson's successful sophomore design that improves upon predecessor

    high · Multiple guests confirm Rush surpasses Led Zeppelin for casual players while maintaining competitive depth; Joel: 'Sophomore slump... I think you're good, Ray'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Rush Pro code 0.89 includes new video clips and refined mechanics compared to earlier versions; community testing/feedback ongoing

    high · Joel: 'the new code was just dropped like a few hours ago' and 'the size of the installer is way bigger than the old one. So I'm thinking a lot more video clips'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Additional Ed Robertson callouts and voice work prepared but not yet in 0.89; planned for future code updates

    high · Ray: 'There's a whole bunch of those that are just waiting to go in' (mode completion callouts); 'Probably won't be heard tonight'

  • ?

    product_concern: Ball-stuck-in-upper-loop issue identified during competitive play and standard play; mechanical edge case affecting playability

    medium · Joel: 'It's just chilling up there... It did this yesterday in single ball play' / discussion of Mando pinball similar issue in tournament

  • ?

    technology_signal: Aftermarket LED/gel insert customization ecosystem (Pin Monk) enabling thematic personalization; circumventing standard Stern hardware constraints

    medium · Joel's custom colored gels for song targets; Pin Monk's rapid turnaround (Thursday message, Monday delivery); Joel jokingly acknowledges violating Stern user agreement

    • 3:01
    How's that for music? See, we can't go crazy with the music because you go too high with the music and then Twitch gets mad and it mutes your channel. So hopefully you can hear it. That's the goal. Basically, you know, hear the call-outs or hear the sound effects. So if it's barely audible, let me know. We'll go up a little bit more.
    3:19
    More bits for the beard. See, Brian, it's about that time where I normally shave it, but it's very cold right now. So part of me is thinking about just letting it keep going until TPF and either shave it at TPF or not. Just let it keep growing. But it's getting a little long. It's getting a little long.
    3:40
    Have the same kind of thing for Iron Maiden. Yeah, there's some people, Deadpool. There's some people that can just blow these games up. And that is not me. That is not me or my play abilities. But we should have a good time tonight.
    3:56
    Like I said, this is the new code. So let's see what they've added. I think the size of the installer is way bigger than the old one. So I'm thinking a lot more video clips. So, yeah, let's see what we got here. Bear with me. It's probably going to take a little bit to warm up. as I hit those skill shots right off the bat, that's fine with me. Okay.
    4:18
    So anybody that's, if you're basically wondering what do you do in this game, Pinball Profile, Jeff, how you doing, man? I hope you're doing well. I saw you released a new final round today. I have not gotten around to listening to that yet, but I will. I will, for sure. If you're wondering what to do in this game, there's like the simple way. Just upload it. Yeah, so Jeff, this is the .89.
    4:46
    There's some really simple stuff you can do, or you can really do some crazy things to like go nuts with your score. So one thing I like doing is try to get my multiball all ready to go before I start a mode. So to do that, you want to go right up the middle.
    5:01
    And by up the middle, I meant down the middle. So your main multiball here, if you look on the upper right of the LCD, it says five more hits for multiball. So let's see if we can get that all ready.
    5:19
    I'm just drilling that post. I got all my achievements, so looking forward to new ones. Thank you for reminding me. I do need to log in. All right, so I'm not going to be able to get my multiball all loaded up because I've already hit two records. So I have hit these two records. I hit the inside loop, which is blue, and I've hit this target, which is orange. So that means I've hit one blue and one orange. But being that I hit the blue first, it means I'm going to start the blue mode. I can either just start the mode, or I can keep trying to hit record shots to increase the value of that mode before I even start it. And that's where all the points are. It's this risk-reward, which is insane with this game.
    6:05
    So, like Jeff said, he, Pinball Profile said, like, he had his high score on his game. He had his working man at 280% value.
    6:21
    And you're probably wondering, what are you talking about? Okay, that did not bounce how I wanted it to. Records are key. Yes, so we're warming up. We're figuring this out. But so to start this first mode, you only need two records. I hit my two records. But then I hit an additional record, and if you look right there, you see it's now plus 10%. Want me to jump on? Dude, you're welcome to. I think Dennis, is Dennis here?
    6:47
    I don't know. Dennis Creasel's here. Jeff, do you want to join us as well? Audio only. Yeah, yeah. Dennis, go ahead and talk.
    6:57
    Okay. I don't know what you want me to talk about. Okay, I just want to. Why don't you tell me about 280%, because that's new news to me. I didn't think you could have more than 100% of anything.
    7:06
    Well, maybe Jeff will explain even better. But the idea here is if you look here on the LCD, right now shot value is plus 10%. So I only needed two records to start my mode, but being that I hit an additional record, that's 10%. So every other record I hit before I start the mode is an additional 10%. So that means that Jeff hit 28 shots, additional shots, before he started his mode, and that meant that the value of his mode was going to be worth $282. over top of the normal one. So, CNK, how are you doing? That's huge. Like, he sounds like someone who's probably won a tournament or two. Yeah. I think he won, what was it, Pinball World Tour? Or the Pinball Profile World Tour? No, I don't. It's been so long since I've been told of such a victory, I just don't remember. Yeah.
    7:54
    My mind's not where it once was. Oh, man. So, I just hit another record, so that would put me at plus 20%. and here comes Jeff right here. Insanity Falls, how you doing? Jeff, you there?
    8:09
    So that would be, that's why I'm at plus 20%. I only have two flashing record shots left. I have this right ramp and the right orbit. So I have to, those are the only two that are worth value, is I have to hit these two before I hit up the middle. And this is Horde Drain. So this is where Ray is kind of throwing out some crazy ideas is that you can be building your records or your record value in a multiball. So that's what he's saying is if you wanted, you could go straight into a multiball and just start crushing shots, and you could build up your records really high and then go into a mode after your multiball's over. It's, I don't know. Jeff, I see you there, but I do not hear you. I don't know if you're.
    8:56
    I don't. He's tagged as muted right now. Oh, okay. All right, so Dennis, I heard on Eclectic Gamers that you've played this game, but you really didn't know the code. Is that right?
    9:11
    Yeah, yeah. You know, I went into it, and this was after a tournament, so I didn't have much time. I did watch someone who put up a little under, I think, $100 million on their game, and I saw a lot of that. And he explained a few things, but, like, it was crowded, it was loud, And, you know, I kind of came in thinking, oh, yeah, I'm sure this has probably got rules that are about as complicated as firepower. But I was incorrect. No, there's Ray and Timmy have kind of gone all in on this. So it falls into pinball pals and Dennis, isn't it, who's left? We've got pinball profile and the pinball show. There he is. Yeah, here you go, Dennis. I forgot I was wearing this. Hey, Dennis, how are you, buddy?
    9:55
    I'm doing well. How are you? Good, good, good. Joel, good to talk to you once again. Yeah. So you were saying about Ray going into multiball, getting a bunch of records, coming out of it, and having the mode. So I did it the other way around. And it's a big risk-reward. I would hit my records, and there are six. When you complete all six, they light up again. So you keep going, keep going. On the first mode, you only need two records to start it. So every record you get after is 10%. Yeah. Well, I just decided to keep going and keep going. I felt I could hit these shots, see how I could go. And, yeah, you can easily go over 100%. Yeah, and what's crazy is the records, even if you drain, it's not like you lose that progression. So lose your kids in the house, too. How are you doing, Josh? So it's kind of crazy that you could spend ball one and two completely avoiding your middle shot and just building records, building records, and then when you get to ball three, then finally, like, attempt if you really wanted to. Ball three, do it on ball one. Do it again on ball two. Well, yeah, that's the difference in your playing ability. We were saying that before you hopped in, that Dennis thought, you know, for you to have that type of score, 280%, you must be like a, you must have like won a tournament or two. I don't know. Well, globally, I would have to say there's been a few. Whatever, let's just get over it. I mean, you can check out his profile. It's all right there. The point is, it's a fun, fun game. And you were saying avoiding the time machine to start your multi-ball. Where I find difficulty is, as I'm trying to build those records, occasionally you're going to hit the two stand-ups on the right ramp, and that will let your far cry block. Yeah, right here. And when you do that, then the top scoop is there. So eventually, you get a bunch of those, you wind up starting the far cry multiball. Yep. Which, you know, isn't what I'm trying to do. There's so many different ways you can play this game. You know, when I first got the game, I was obsessed with one, two, three combos. I had to get all ten albums. And once I did that, I'm like, okay, they've got to be worth more than Ray Colby. Yeah, just wait, just wait. Then I'm obsessed with the three stand-ups on the bottom left. The guitar, the drums, the bass, and the values.
    12:15
    My new favorite thing is drum bonus. Drum bonus. Hell yeah. Uh-oh, Ray Day's here. We got a party going, guys. Jeez. Ray, I talked to you last time. Drum bonus I just had on my last game was like $43 million. And I'm like, okay, so all I have to do is hit the in lane. Now, I must have had a multiplier on there. Is that what happened? If your drumsticks are running, they're active, they'll be 2x. And if you have a record locked in on there, it'll be 2x on top of that. So, yeah, you could get 4X or even 6X drum bonus. I was just like, okay, this is an easy thing. And especially when you cradle on the right, you can try to do a post pass, which you can't do. But what it does is it goes up the in lane and then lights your drum bonus. And I was like, bam, bam. Yeah. Yeah, I wanted people to have a reason to use the diverter to go to the right flipper. And also on the premium, when you have the VUK shot, I wanted a reason to shoot that when you have the ball trapped on your right flipper. And either in lane lighting grum bonus was like the perfect recipe.
    13:23
    Yeah, so I'm in limelight right now. And limelight's all about hitting green shots and then... But they time out, don't they, Ray? The green shots, yeah. They time out, then you have to go time machine. Is that what I'm understanding with limelight? Yeah, so after you hit your first arrow in limelight, you got 15 seconds of fame. and then it's up and you're out of the limelight. To get back in the limelight, you've got to hit the time machine. Yeah. And you were talking about drum bonus. I actually had just started that, which is what? You finish your drum stick targets and then you hit under the flipper? Because that's what happens.
    14:03
    Am I wrong there? That's the drum solo. That's the different. You know, I just realized. Sorry. I'm not trying to divert. Go ahead. You know, these are important things, but, you know, when you think you have one flavor and you grab something and you grab the wrong flavor, it just totally throws you off. I thought you were about to say you were sponsored by Kroger. No, I was expecting mixed berry, and I got freaking blood orange. You're not going after the final round sponsors, but thanks for the plug from the third best grocery chain.
    14:34
    Who are the two top, who beats Kroger, Dennis? You know, these jokes aren't designed to be questioned. You're just supposed to give a kind of polite laugh and move on.
    14:46
    I got like a 33% success rate. You say it so blunt. Make your routine. Do some research. You can make a few bits out of it and then just take it on the road. Yeah. Maybe when I was younger.
    14:59
    I was going to ask, and especially now I feel weird with Ray here, but I don't really care what he thinks. Of course not. Given the extensive experience, well, you win either way on this one, so I'm sure you'll be happy. It was with Jeff and Joel about what rule set, and it's maybe unfair because, obviously, Rush is relatively new, but which rule set between Rush and Bloodsepticeye do you prefer?
    15:24
    You don't see me? I'm asking everyone but Brad. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm curious, too. What? Sorry. Go ahead, Joe. Okay. I've been praising the Led Zeppelin code for a long, long time. And Ray, plug your ears for a second. If it wasn't for the code, I would not be a fan of that game. So it is a compliment and also a criticism. The code is what makes Led Zeppelin. And you know how much I love Zeppelin, so for me to say that. I mean, the music's great. The call is so far and so on. The combos are what lift that note and hit the rest. So without that code, I could have sold that game. And that's like telling a child. But I do love it. So now I've got Rush. And we're only at .89, which is downloading right now as we speak at the line.
    16:15
    I already love it. And I'll tell you this. What I like about this one, Dennis, is, you know, my wife, who doesn't play a lot of pinball, she'll come downstairs and she loves Rush and she'll play it. and I basically say, just hit the time machine, and things will happen, which is true. You'll get a multi-ball, and she has a lot of fun, and she loves the call-outs, and other things happen. So I can't really say on Led Zeppelin, just do this. There's not really that easy thing to just do, I don't think. So I think Rush is more appealing to everybody, not just world-class champion pinball players like Ray and myself. There, I said it. Okay. Joel, what are your thoughts? ditto I really enjoyed Led Zeppelin but what I enjoyed about Led Zeppelin was the code when I first was borrowing Led Zeppelin from Zach you flip around on it for like 30 seconds and you've hit every shot at least on the pro you're like okay on a pro there was no toy to excite you there was no physical kinetic satisfaction in that game but once Ray working with Ray and him explaining the rules and figuring out the combo system and building up stuff like that's what gave me enjoyability in that game to come back to it time after time after time. This game, you're totally right, Jeff. There are toys, there are mechs in this game that are fun, there are different shots that are fun, and then the code in my mind is even further layered. You have your combo system, you have this risk-reward factor. I mean, it's still developing. And to me, I'm not a diehard Led Zeppelin fan. I'm not a diehard Rush fan. So, like, the music is not going to sway me one way or the other. So, to me, I'm definitely, I am enjoying this more. I think, Ray, everything you did great in Zeppelin, you brought it into this and built upon it and done even better. So, way to, whatever.
    18:15
    Sophomore slump, isn't that what people are always worried about? I think you're good, Ray. Look at how stacked this pro is, too. So there's a lot of opportunities for Ray and Tim to do so many things. Like, there's just, you know what? It really isn't extra bill of materials, bomb. It's not any extra bomb, Dennis will agree, to have that shot behind the upper right flipper. There's nothing on there that's, it's the same cost as if the flipper was there against the wall. Don't you agree, Dennis? Oh, yeah. No, I don't see any additional dollars in here. But I would be surprised. I'm sure, well, obviously. Well, everyone's got their own opinion. They had to have one rollover. That was their additional dollar. It would be really challenging to meet people that would say that this layout, in my view, is inferior to let's play this layout. It's not. It's a better layout.
    19:08
    Did you guys hear, and I know Luther Kidd was on here, and they had Ed Robertson, and Ed was talking about, you know, really being a big part of this game and kind of making the guys from Rush feel more comfortable with their familiarity with Ed and his pinball knowledge and his also relationship with Stern.
    19:30
    Ed was talking about on that Loser Kid episode when people were comparing it to X-Men. Now, he said it's different. Well, it's completely different in code. You know, I always liked the X-Men layout. I thought the code could only be better. Well, now, I'm sorry, but that top third, maybe they go in a little spot. Those shots are X-Men, and that's fine. It's great.
    19:54
    And it's just got the good code to go with it. And I never owned X-Men, so I feel pretty happy I've got this now.
    20:00
    Yeah, I... Well, that's too bad. You know I did the call-outs of Storm for that. Can you do Captain Marvel, too, on Avengers?
    20:10
    Binary! No, you might know me from Godzilla, too. Shoot the lamps! Yeah. Wham! Oh, I assumed you were the Godzilla itself, because you're always doing that. Yeah. Hey, all those were better than my call-outs on Raza, so I can't complain. Oh. Yeah. I never heard of them. Speaking of call-outs, it's fun putting in the new call-outs. You'll notice if you complete a mode now, you'll get the mission control, Ed Robertson, saying, Mode completed. Nice. There's a whole bunch of those that are just waiting to go in, so. Probably won't be heard tonight, just saying. But, yeah. Hey, everybody in chat. I sent Ed a text. I said, I love everything except that pilot voice. How do we get rid of that? That's got to be the way to disable that. Pilot attenuation.
    20:57
    Specifically pilot attenuation. No, this is Ray. I mean, last night's streaming was kind of the first time that I really, and it was actually, Jeff, it was your comment when you hopped on my stream two weeks ago, and it was right at the very end. You just said, my new thing is just keep hitting records, keep looking for flashing shots. And the fact, Ray, that you allow that to carry ball to ball to ball gives me a chance to actually build that up somewhat. And there's no end to it. Yeah, it's pretty great. Yeah, yeah. I had to actually, so instead of you to not just do that all the time, when you start the mode, your shot multipliers turn on. So you do want to start the mode eventually because you want shot multipliers. You know, you want double jackpots, but it would be even better to have 200% double jackpots. So, you know, you've got to kind of take the cues. But, Ray, if I hit six, which lights all the records, and then go into my mode, I actually have no multipliers, correct?
    21:54
    Because none of the records are there. I believe it will, you will have whatever you had the most of when you went into the mode, because it should turn them into pulsing records.
    22:06
    Yeah, if you have all six, which is hitting each one one time, you technically don't have the most of any because they're all the same. And I'm pretty sure nothing is lit. You should have at least two colors that are the same unless you manage to perfectly collect one of each color. I did. Oh, well, I don't know how you did that because usually... Oh, it's for one of each record, not one of each color. Yeah. Hey, Josh, Loser Kid, thank you for the bits, man. Appreciate you, buddy. Wow, bitties. Yeah. Yeah, because it should basically, when you hit that sixth record, we can see if Joel can do it. Oh, this is the worst one. So this is what they're saying is, I mean, I could have started my mode multiple records ago. That's why my red light's flashing. But for every additional shot I'm hitting, my value increases 10%. But I only have one more shot that I can do that on, and it's this upper loop. And if I do that, then all the shots reset, and then I can boom, boom, boom, start doing it again. Are your left orbit and right ramp both purple right now?
    23:08
    This is pink. That's purple. Left orbit's purple. So purple, pink, purple. So I'd be starting Lovilla.
    23:16
    Okay, so you do have two that are the same color. So if you hit that after loop, it should turn those two that are the same color into a pulsing record, which means that's a locked-in color, but you can, like, collect it again to get more percentage. So if you started a mode at that point, those two shots should become multipliers. I don't know how you could start a mode and not have any multipliers. I think you'd at least have one on the left orbit. Yeah, you'd have to have – well, I mean, we'll look. It might be a bug. I don't know. Okay, check it out because I noticed, okay, when you get six, oh, this is great. Everything's going to be lit. Let's go into a mode. Nope. So you pretty much have to – I think I can only go into it with five lit for a mode. Unless that's by design. I don't know.
    24:03
    Yeah, I'm not sure. I know it was kind of like a self-balancing thing. It's like, well, if you get the sixth one, now you have the chance to get a lot more, but it does kind of reset your progress. But then I thought that, you know, that's kind of annoying, and that's why I did the pulsing records. But maybe they're not working right, or maybe we get rid of the pulsing records and say, screw it, if you want to go for the sixth record, you know, that's on you. I don't know. I noticed this on Joel's, maybe because he has a nice camera.
    24:28
    No, I'm being serious. Like, right now, Spirit of Radio is just flashing. It's blue. Right now, Tom Sawyer is blue. That's flashing. I didn't know mine had different colors. I could be blind. No. What's going on are these six inserts are white. But Pin Monk, I reached out to him after my very first stream. And Pin Monk, that's why it says thank you to Pin Monk on the screen. because he makes these little mods that go between the LED and underneath the plate field. It's these clear gel films, but they're these plastic kind of rings that screw in as well. They're really great. Yeah, so I reached out to him and I said, you're going to want to make these and you're going to want them to be these colors because that corresponds with the song. Pin Monk. Yeah, he asked me to do a pencil drawing, so I literally took the things off, put my piece of paper on there, traced it with pencil, scanned it in, sent it to him. Two days later, he mailed them to me. So you ignored the Stern user and agreement, is what I'm understanding. Yeah. We all signed and said we would not touch it. We would not mod it. I don't think it hurts Ray too much. And you plugged it almost as good as you plugged Kroger.
    25:42
    I mean, Ed Monk should be almost proud of that. No, it blew my mind. I messaged him on a Thursday. I scanned it in on a Friday. They were on my doorstep on a Monday. And he's like, can you make sure these fit? And they all fit perfectly. I had to take a few pictures for him, and he had them up on his store the very next day. I mean, it was absurd. So, okay, Ray, plug your ears for a second. Joel. Yes. Can I not just change the LEDs in there? There's no, but that's the thing. These aren't bulbs. These are your, those are those LED, like, these four down here are one board. It's one board. Oh. And then these two right here are these two little square boards. You don't get your bolts anymore. You're mopsed off, Ray.
    26:26
    Now, that's nothing against Ray. I mean, I'm assuming that was a cost thing. It's so he doesn't report him back to the man. That's right. We're trying to protect you and your NWAG boards.
    26:37
    Hey, I'm not the one. I'm just amazed that some of these mod makers out here are good at what they do. Well, this is Freaky Mill. I was just going to text Ray, and I was going to say, Ray, how do I know? I did text you, didn't I, Ray? I said, how do I know what mode I'm in, or how do I change the mode? And you said it's the rush stand-up on the right. Correct? That's how you continue?
    27:00
    Or the left behind the drop targets. Okay, because I don't know what color. I'm starting to know the colors. I know Limelight's green. I know Tom Sawyer is blue. I think Spirit of the Radio is blue. Yeah, I'm still learning them. Working Man's orange. So I know that when I look at the records. But if I could look down, like at this, again, plug your Pin Monk beautiful mod, I would know for sure what the songs are. I'd go for it. Hey, check out his website, pinmonk.com. There you go. There's your plug, Dennis. Joel, is your spinner backhandable? I know Jeff always loves to rip it from the backhand. I have never hit it on the forehand. I only hit it on the backhand. I definitely go the forehand more often. But I have done the backhand before, but not. Blind it and never go back. Trust me, Joel. Not in a consistent manner.
    27:48
    All right, two more time machines, and then you can stack your multiple here. I ripped that spinner like a space shuttle. But I will tell you, this time machine, now, Jeff, you have the pro, so never mind. You can't.
    28:01
    Ray squares at the premium. It's easier to hit at the middle. I think it's a wider shot in the premium because it has the blue nub dividers instead of the full post.
    28:13
    Because bolts are pretty, yeah. Well, I did ask Ray what's the difference between the pro and the premium, and he mentioned that, you know, obviously the ramp goes up and down, and when the ramp is down, it counts as two shots on your time stream, so that's kind of cool. But I like that it is a difficult shot. It's not one I usually hit on the fly.
    28:32
    I'm not that accurate. I can certainly get one that's credible on either flipper. But I like that. You know what I like about this game? There are so many, I find, not easy shots, but fun shots. The spinner, the right ramp.
    28:49
    I think the difficult shots on here are probably the upper inner loop off the flipper, going behind the upper right flipper, hitting the stand-up behind the bass guitar once that's down. That's a tough and fun. That was cool. The time machine just stuffed it up that way. Yeah. I was not planning on doing that. Lots of good shots on here. And I thought the drum shot through the, you know, the drum bonus shot would be difficult. No, you find it. It's late, and it's two points. Yeah, everything is findable, and the reality is I'm just, I'm one of those players, it takes some time to find these shots. This layout is not nearly as, like, forgiving or easy as, like, Godzilla was. but I'm jealous of your upper loop feed, Joel. It seems to nicely slow it down for another shot. I know some rushes I've seen just whip it around kind of haphazardly, but yours kind of comes and breaks, and you can loop it again. Yeah. Oh, man, there goes my multi-ball. Sorry, chat. You guys are going nuts here. Loser Kid, yes, I did stream yesterday. And, okay, Ray, I figured put how to sneak. Oh, he's all about YYZs. Like, how do you sneak YYZ in there? Also, did Zach ever forward you that picture from last night? No, he did not. He got a ball stuck up there. I don't know if you noticed this. Where?
    30:10
    Upper loop. Upper left. Oh, yeah. We're just going to leave that there for a little bit. Well, in competition, Ray Day, tell him what he's done. I don't know what he's done.
    30:23
    Disqualified. Hey, you know who? That's right. You've got to do what I was going to say. Oh, I just didn't notice. I didn't even know I was involved. That was a weird one. I didn't know there were that many balls in this multi-ball. Yeah. I don't know if it's, like, known to you three, but I am not a competition player. I think I've made that very clear. There are a few of us on TVN. So you don't like Mystery Castle either, then? I just realized you're in subdivisions. Okay. So, yeah, the jackpots are lit. Look at that ball. You got your ball stated. It's just chilling up there. It did this yesterday in single ball play. It's just chilling on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's chilling on. There's a switch right there, and it's just hanging out right there. Dalton, do a tap pass. Still can't. Still can't do that. I had that happen on a Mando in tournament. The ball got stuck in the, I guess, the release to put it in the upper play field. Yeah, I won that round because I didn't tell anyone.
    31:22
    Wow. Wow, and he slept like a baby. He doesn't phase you at all, does he? A win's a win. So Ray's really nice. He added these ball saves that you can change with your flipper, which is great. Yeah. So the ball stays over here. I can change it. Where? Show me. Well, as soon as you get your ball save lit, you can change it with your flipper. Yeah, yeah. I thought you meant in the scoop. I'm like, what? No, but what's really good is I just, I always change it away. Like, that ball's going out, change it away. It's really good. Why? You should be used to it from TNA. I know, but I'm not. And spell rushing and you'll get another one. Yes, that's what's great. It's like sweet. That actually has changed recently. If you look in the upper left by the Rush UI, it tells you how many more you need to light both either the Bastille Day or the Ball Save. So right now, you've got one out of one. So Bastille Day is ready to go. But if you want to get another Ball Save, you'll have to complete it three times. The second one is the Ball Save. Okay. Yeah.
    32:24
    It was just a little too easy to get a bunch of Ball Saves, so I had to make it a little easier. Once I got both of my outlay ball saves lit, it was a guaranteed drain down the middle. Every time. Guaranteed. 100%. Guaranteed.
    32:39
    I have a pet theory that Brian Eddy intentionally designs his games to have air balls that scare the crap out of other players. Yeah.
    32:46
    Probably. You know, there was a, I don't know if it's true or not, there was a story that I read years ago that John Trudeau, the now infamous John Trudeau, but when he was designing Silver Slugger for Premiere, that he did set it up deliberately for the ball to smack the glass on the plunge to simulate the crack of the baseball bat. All right. Oh, wow. It's like the Whitewater Insanity Falls ramp. Might have to unstuck that ball now. Yeah, I think we're getting a tilt here.
    33:12
    Okay. Here I am making fun of you. There was only a way to gain access without shaking. There it is. No problem. The glass was somehow slideable.
    33:21
    Yeah, but, you know, like. Are you signed into Insider, Joel? Oh, there's like 16 new achievements that got added. Yes, I am. And I don't think I've achieved any of them because I've gotten very little progress in this game so far. The best one is when you try and do Taxman and... There we go. Oh, wait.
    33:39
    Yeah, you drain with Taxman lit. And then you get YYZ. Wow. I got to tell you, I know those people wanted YYZ.
    33:54
    I'm waiting for someone to do the all skill shot meta. Just under the flipper skill shots for Dave. Under the flipper skill shots? Well, the new code lets you actually get skill shots now when you hit under the right flipper. Okay. So I'm just waiting for someone to dial in on that shot. Just like skill shots for Dave over and over again. I've done the upper loop to the ramp super skill shot, but I haven't done that one. No, I'm saying like right now.
    34:22
    Yeah, if only Joel was that someone. I am not, as you can tell. I'm just saying if you can go under the flipper, you can get another skill shot. And that'll aim for something else. You might get it. Yeah, there you go. Right up the middle. Nope.
    34:38
    That upper flip. So how long is that skill shot lit, Ray? No, no, it's not a skill shot. I'm just saying any time you go under the flipper, you can get your skill shots again. Oh, so they relight because you're plunging again. Yeah, you need to do that. Are you doing that to add ball save?
    34:56
    Hmm? Are you doing that to add ball save? Oh, I guess it would add a ball save. Well that a big deal right That cool I didn even think about that It not much like five seconds But if you have a tough shot and you get it in there sure I have a weird thing, too, where I do a soft plunge. It still goes around all the way to the bumpers, but when it goes slowly, it'll award me the... Oh, yeah, that's like on every board game ever. You do that on Kith all the time. You start with one of your modes where the left orbit's lit. You do the nice plunge, clear that left orbit. Okay.
    35:33
    Yeah, that's just the way it is. Yeah, don't change it. I love it. Yeah, don't change anything about your code, Ray. It's great.
    35:41
    0.89, though. Oh, man. If there was more scoops on the pro, I'd add more ball savers for you, Jeff. No, no. Hey, I was one.
    35:49
    Sorry, insert Halloween joke here. No, no, Ray. We can talk about it right now. When I first got my game, I said, please put a one-second ball save on that scoop. And I think somebody else might have said, because you said it was coming out on .86. And it's so much more enjoyable. I'm glad it's not on the multi-ball. That was smart. I know you can put it on, but you don't need to. That would be exploitable. But, you know, just the way the scoop is, it is a tight shot. I had it go on the left flipper, the right flipper, off the sling, and the ones that went down the middle, it was frustrating like that. I'm getting punished for something I was supposed to do. So that ball save corrects everything.
    36:30
    Now Sharp didn't want that ball save. Jeff, do you know how to... He doesn't want the beginning of ball ball save. Oh, then he must really hate this. Get your five-second ball saver back with the shoot. No, because you're hurting it. He just doesn't want it off the plunge normally. You know what I mean? Like if you play Star Wars or Black Knight, you just don't want a ball save right away.
    36:53
    But if you earn it by doing, in this case, a difficult skill shot, Yeah, you can have it. What were you saying, Ray?
    37:01
    No, that was it. You said what I was saying. So my question, Jeff, because I know this is, you step up to a new game, your very first question every time is, how do I do an add-a-ball, right? I mean, that's like your thing. Do you know how to add-a-ball? How do I start multi-ball before that? Oh, okay.
    37:15
    Do you know that yet in this game? It's a scoop. Is that right? Do I know how to get the add-a-ball? No. And it's also the weapon on certain things. I'm figuring out that some of them, you know, I don't know which is which. I throw the weapons at the lip, I usually hit it. Although some just add jackpots, right?
    37:34
    If your weapon is flashing blue, it'll spot all the shots on the playfield. If it's flashing green, it'll add them all. Okay, there it is. You can look at your instant info to see what modes you have the weapon for, if any. that requires getting those 1-2-3 combos which a lot of the 2's and 3's are on the side shots so it's really important this is not a Godzilla where you just don't use the upper flipper you basically have to use the upper flipper I had somebody ask me that last night is this one of those games where it's safest to ignore the upper flipper and I said nope you're going to lose a lot of progress and a lot of things if you don't use that upper flipper hey listen Godzilla is a spectacular game it's obviously game of the year, one of those awards, and we'll win more.
    38:22
    I watched Marty Robbins on Melbourne Silver Ball play that, and he only did two things. Well, three to include the scoop. All he did was hit ramps. Blew the game up. All he did was hit those ramps over and over and over and over again. Occasionally, yeah, you get the building and stuff. Because you're getting building, yeah. If you can dial in those two ramps on Godzilla, you're going to have a great game. Even Rick will have to fix that.
    38:52
    No, there are other shots, but you've got to, I don't know. I'd like to see more done on that. I know that sounds crazy for the game of the year. No, it's fair. And let's also be additionally fair. It was a pretty weak year.
    39:07
    I think that game, though, would win against a lot of other years, too. For me, and bearing in mind I don't have much time yet on Rush, but for me, Godzilla is the best game since Walking Dead to come out of Stern's factory. It is very good. It is great. That Keith guy, man, he's decent. I like the unique shots. I like that, you know, it's not the layouts you've seen before.
    39:33
    But, Dennis, didn't we talk about Godzilla versus Mando at one point? What was that about? Yeah, we talked about sales figures. And, you know, it's so unfortunate that Stern doesn't publish their sales figures.
    39:46
    But based off of pop culture relevance in today's modern era, I still think the overall consumer demand would lean towards Mandalorian. Well, you know, it's about an elite. Well, yeah, we know that. But, I mean, that's a drop from the bucket here to the pros and premiums. Here's the story, Ray Day, Joel, and Shaq. When Godzilla came out and I saw the play field and shot, and obviously, you know, Keith did it. I sent Dennis a text. I said, Godzilla will destroy Mandalorian in sales. And he said, are you kidding? It's a Star Wars license, way better license. And I said, it doesn't matter. It's the game. It's the code. It's the shots. I am curious. I don't know. Hold on. And his response to me is, you turn on the players, overvalue things. Oh, wow.
    40:33
    I don't remember most of the things I say. Yeah. Did Zach write that for you? But that doesn't sound like me. Did Zach write that? Oh, God, no.
    40:44
    I sympathize with you. I'm not a real tournament player. I don't go and do the big, important tournaments. But I do like to play in the local tournaments. So, Zach, when he's going full shock jock, even I can catch that stuff. I'm like, come on. You're not thinking from the player perspective at all, Zach. You just want more views. To be fair, though, Mandalorian is a huge license grab.
    41:08
    It's an A-tier theme, and Godzilla's a C-tier. Like, think about it. There were probably people who bought Mandalorian who didn't know anything about pinball because of the theme. Yep. Whereas Godzilla, I don't know how many more, like, people would have, would bought a Godzilla game just on theme alone. Correct. But because it's Keith, you know, it kind of balances out. Like, everybody who bought a game because it's Keith versus, you know, wait to see how Mandalorian is. It's all, so I don't know. I don't know which one sold more. It's very interesting. Well, I know Zach has said that he still has customers that bought Mando real early in the run, and they're still waiting on it. So, I mean, Mando sales are strong, but I think Godzilla may be one of those that it's going to sell consistently for a long time. The more that people play it, I mean, Dennis, you said you think it's the best game since Walking Dead. Yeah, I mean, look at Iron Maiden. They made Iron Maiden premiums just six months ago or however long ago, and that came out in 2018. You know, our location that had Iron Maiden, though, we kept it for a while, but it was underperforming versus Deadpool hugely. We had two operators actually staring that location at the time, and the one with the Iron Maiden was so upset that he bought that game and the other one got Deadpool, and Deadpool was, like, pulling two to one. You get the wild card to Deadpool, right? I think the Iron Maiden theme is polarizing, too. Yeah, yeah. I like that. Yeah, Iron Maiden as a theme doesn't really grab you to go play it. It's more like, oh, I know it's an Alan game, or oh, look, it has four flippers, or oh, I'll try this game, but no one's on it, and then you get hooked because it shoots so well. Yeah. But I can't see. Yeah. I'll tell you where Iron Maiden was a big seller, for pin sound.
    42:56
    Pin sounded very well with Iron Maiden, putting on disco and... Oh, changing into other things? Yeah.
    43:03
    But, yeah, I mean, you know, which games are best is, in a way, my mind changed. I see someone in chat was like, wait, what about all the other albums? You know, every album game has been really, really good. The only one that didn't really click with me very well was Iron Maiden, and I still enjoyed playing it competitively. I just had no interest in owning it. I was thinking about getting a Jurassic Park for the longest time, but I'd rather have Godzilla now. Joel, how many achievements did you get with that $5 million score? You know, Ray, did you add that achievement, like, I don't know, fastest game achievement? Have you gotten the 21-12 Bozo bonus yet? It's pretty hard to do. You have to have a really bad ball. Well, how do I get it? Because I think I have a chance. You have to not hit a pop bumper or hit anything. Don't collect a record. Don't hit the time machine. Don't hit a pop bumper. And just drain your ball, and you'll get 21,210 points.
    43:54
    Only watch fans will get this. How many switches do you hit then? You just have to plunge and drain? Yeah, plunge and drain twice, basically. Rock fans will get this joke there needs to be an achievement for if you get just the absolute worst score and it's the John Rutzy achievement for getting booted the quickest I first see people in tournaments getting this bonus because everyone's going to short plunge and they're going to, oh you got a record no bonus for you but I hit that rollover on my second plunge and then I hit this fling so I assume that was it No, that's fine. You didn't collect any records, but now you did when you hit the... All right, well, next ball.
    44:38
    He'll try and do better. That would be funny if somebody was down by just that much, and that's all they needed, and that was their safest strat, right? I mean, I guess, but each pop bumper is 5,000 in bonus, so four pop bumpers on average. Whoa, that was cool. Yeah, that worked out well. I will tell you go ahead yeah I had a tournament game once and we were on Guns N' Roses which no one there likes to play and I actually didn't get a multiball the entire game I did not think that was possible I thought there was like Daddy East rules did you tilt before the plunge? I kicked one ball but a lot of the multiballs in that game that just sort of happened are from things like left in-loans or under the slipper shots or hitting that target in the playfield or hitting a pyro target. So they all do kind of seem random if you're just hitting it around. But if you're trying to hit something. Yeah, nice. You got it. I didn't get my achievement, though. Is that an insider connect? This is not an achievement, no. Oh, come on.
    45:50
    That's like the time Travis told him the super special to activate his ultra mode. Yeah. That was just a dick move. I had trapped up or whatever, and he's like, oh, yeah, I found this bug. If you want to relight your jackpots, just drain. I was like, nah. And he's like, I swear, it really happened. So I just let it go, and it starts crawling. He goes, oh, that's right. It was on the other. It's like he just made it up. It was on the prior version. Yeah, Travis is a dick. We all know it now. When Jurassic Park came out, I said to Alan, hey, this looks great. He goes, you want to see? I go, what? He goes, whenever you see a goat on the screen, just hammer the action button. I did that for a year. And when I saw him, I'm like, that thing doesn't do anything. He goes, hey, he starts laughing. Yeah, he got you there. Ask her nicely, is this a real rush? There aren't even any scoop protectors. No, I took my scoop protectors off. I'm waiting on the fix. Mine were really bent. I just couldn't. I don't know. I took them off. Zach gave me his blessing. He said, sure, take them off. I said, all right. So I did. They're coming from what I've heard. I know we can't speak, but they're coming. Soon, I've heard a whole cornerstone has been skipped in order to get those out.
    47:01
    Wow. Hey, can I just, okay, Ray, again, plug your ears. I'm glad Stern came out with that. Yes. Oh, I am too. Oh, smartest move ever.
    47:12
    There's enough money out there waiting and waiting. I'm still waiting for a machine, and I'm looking forward to it from Stern. There's your back right there. And there are other machines I want to get from Stern. So I'm like, yeah, you know, I could have flipped it by now. And that's not Stern's fault. It's totally supply. Every single company suffers this issue. So I'm glad they've made this move. No, it's 100%. 100% agree with you. The problem is, obviously, that if you keep making people wait more and more and more, and, you know, their new price increases because of the supply stuff, and you have to all of a sudden absorb those new prices, it's going to leave people not going to want to buy again. It's going to leave a bad taste. are going to burn future purchases. Yeah. You know, I wondered if they were, you know, just had to wait for the license schedules to finally align so that they could pull that off and not upset, you know, prior existing agreements that they struck years ago. But, yeah, absolutely. I think it's a move I've mentioned several times that I wish they had done. I'm glad they did. I just saw a nice little plug there. You're welcome, Rick. What was it? He gave him Adaball as a mystery when he started partying. Okay. All right. I mean, it wasn't like that before, but we got complaints that the Mystery Ward would light Far Cry lock and then instantly lock it. So I changed those priorities, but now it's the opposite problem. You'll start Far Cry and then get your Atom Ball. You can only get one Atom Ball, only one extra Ball in Mystery now, right? That's the new thing, yeah.
    48:43
    No, it's good. Now, I mean, Dennis, you and I agree that they're only doing two cornerstones. But, I mean, we've got poor Ray here. Because they're only doing two and not three, that means Ray's salary is only two-thirds.
    48:56
    It's going to be pretty tough. Why do you think about all these podcasts, man? You've got to get on the streams. That's where the big bitty money is. But I'm worried. I don't know how you're going to afford twice as much. Actually, I'm thinking of running a tournament where I force people to pick new sterns in the final.
    49:17
    You'd have a sponsor. We're at 33,000 viewers right now. 33,000 is down to 29. So, you know, you'll be getting your – and those bits that loser came. There's four of us on, so I assume those are being split. We'll split them. Yeah, the 100 bitties, that's like roughly $1.
    49:34
    25. Yeah. Jeff, next time I see you, a corner. But how does that go to Canadian? Is that like 15 cents? What do I give you? No, it's the other way around. It's like 50 bucks.
    49:45
    Yeah. I think Ray's tournament plan would be really actually sort of a win-win because he could put his coded games in and he could structure the rules so that that is what will be played during the finals. And that will up viewership, according to Jack. Hold on. and then they'll do the classic move that you see at XCO and even done it at Indus, where they have a game in the lineup. With unreleased code. Code update that day or the day before, so no one's played it except the Ray Days and Zachs and Denise. I just feel like after whatever Zach does, it's unfair of me, but any time he talks about terrible stuff, I just imagine him planning one. And he's like, I'm going to do a classics tournament. It's going to be Ghostbusters, APTC, Metallica, you know, the old stuff. The classics, yeah. Hey, Joel, if you activate your guitar with that shot behind the drop. Yeah. Well, never mind. Go ahead and tell me what I should have done. Yes, please. Your guitar would give your spinner double shots, so you can make Spirit of the Radio a lot easier because it'll fan out the shots a lot quicker. That would have, yep. I will tell you, I have ignored this target. I think about it when I've completed them to get to my multi-ball, but actually utilizing the perks that are built into these three things. Love them. Yeah. It's just one of those strats. But it's funny. I mean, almost every time I play a game, all I care about is progress. Typically, all I care about is progress. But now that you've dangled this carrot of, like, risk-reward, for whatever reason, I actually care about points now. It's kind of crazy. I like it, Ray. It's giving me more. Don't forget about those one, two, threes. If you have a three just sitting there, you've got to pick it off so that you can get back to your ones and twos. Oh, that's what Terry albums.
    51:29
    Gives you the weapons. Joel's tasted the forbidden fruit now of the way pinball used to be about getting a high score. Well, unless we go too far back, and that's about getting the special.
    51:40
    That's an interesting one. You know, it is interesting. I've played ACDC so much at home, and I play that game for the experience. I play to try to get on court, which I know has happened a few times. But you ignore score to do that. Yeah. You know, you ignore the risk-reward on the cannon and things like that. You really want to get through all the albums. So I guess as a pinball player, whether you're just a casual collector tournament player, you have to ask yourself, are you here for the experience and see everything this game can do, or is it all about the score for you? Now, in a tournament, that's answered very quickly, easily. It's about the score. But as a home owner, and with Rush, I'm trying to see the whole experience.
    52:24
    Oh, yeah. I mean, there's so many modes that, I mean, the reality is if all I cared about, if I was Zach Minion and I was playing this game and I don't care about score, Spirit of the Radio, it's four shots and you're out, right? Right? You hit this thing four times and you're done. So, I mean, that to me is not a fun mode if you're just bam, bam, bam, out, you know, onto the next. You've got to build it. Yeah, but that's not. I mean, I like that you're giving them options because then you go to the La Vela Straga Abo and it's like you've got to hit 12 shots. I mean, you don't have any other options there.
    52:57
    And if you were Zach, you would also have your streaming screen changed just a little bit because one of the windows would have to show the topper. Because that's apparently really important in the tournaments to have the toppers on. You got it.
    53:08
    Nothing's going to... Even though all topper activity is always disabled in competition play. Yep. But that would not, yeah, he wouldn't allow that. That would be turned back on. Rules going to change.
    53:19
    Because if that topper's... Yeah, there's five of the six infinity gems. If that topper's stagnant, then, you know, that game's not going to sell. So, you know, got to have that topper on to sell games.
    53:33
    I don't know. That guy. I wish he was watching. Normally he'd, wow. My favorite line is that. Is, what is it, the facts? The facts don't lie. I just tell the truth. The numbers don't lie. Where's the fact?
    53:49
    Where are the facts? You're just making this shit up and calling it as true. Yep. Yeah, but they don't lie.
    54:00
    Anyway, hey, listen, there's a reason you never hear me talk about market trends or toppers or, you know, sales or things like that, because I don't have any experience in that. Because you don't want to do the conversion from Canadian to real. All right, here, let's take this. So Joel is in the situation where he hit all six records. So now you can see the big money ones are pulsing, the upper left, dead end, and right ramp. That one and that one and this one. Which one? So those are pulsing? Yeah, I have three pink ones, that one, that one, and this one. Ah, okay. So those ones are essentially already spotted for you. So if you start your mode now, you should start with those three locked in. Yeah, okay. But they're available if you want to hit them to get more percentage. Go right for time machine. I want to see this. Because I'm at plus 40% right now. Yeah, hit time machine. I want to see this. Yeah, just shoot the time machine. It's that easy, guys. Let me just knock this out for you. Because you shot the game. It's just right. Let me just knock this. No problem. Just right here. Cradle up and do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, come on, guys. I mean, it's an easy game. Easy. Boom. So they're solid. Do you see that? That is? Okay, thanks, Ray. Yep. I am curious if there is a scenario where you can get none. I don't think there is, but maybe there is. I don't. Did Penmonk do some of those records too? No. Penmonk is who modified this so that when you get halfway up the time machine ramp, the magnet just sucks it in.
    55:33
    He made a thing to slow down my shots, so I have other additional shots on this upper loop. By the way, Dennis, you're not allowed to say magnet with Ray-Ban on the call because I was there for the Indus final streaming commentating, and he played roller games, and the magnet screwed him big time. Like he had the ball. Don't flip. Flip. He flipped it. It didn't make it up. That would have started his multi-ball, and that was the first game. Who knows? Ray could have had four points in that game. Yeah, that was the way it goes. I made it up for it in high stakes. That's pinball, right? That's the best. That Elwynn character. eat it out. Oh, are you kidding me? That never would have happened on a modern stern.
    56:25
    Oh, man. It's funny. I'm watching the Twitch version, not the Discord version, so it's behind by just like a second. Yeah. But I can hear Joel screaming, and then I get to see what happens. Yeah. I tend to do that, too. How do I watch the Discord version? Well, the Discord, you're in Discord right now, But if you, like, click on my, you see the four images. If you click on mine, that's up to date. But it's, you got to watch. I don't know if you're on your computer or not, but it's a little. Yeah. It's super small. Well, click on it. Like, just, you can make one of the four bigger. Oh, I got it. Yeah, yeah.
    56:59
    Ray, you got to put in a secret mode and call it, like, Mr. Castle mode, where it just takes your four scores at the bottom and hides them. Like, just, boom. Somehow talk All four scores hidden Mystery Castle mode And then play a tournament that way So you don't even know your score You just play and at the end it pops them up Ray, admit it Most of the players that made the playoffs Had Mystery Castle on their card Yeah It was a pretty good game I was actually doing pretty good And then I tilted doing my skull multiball Which I don't recommend but it was fine. I think it was fine as a tournament game. Is there ever a time, Ray, that you do recommend tilting?
    57:48
    When you're nining out a really good state? Yeah, I was going to say Adam's family is the only one that popped in my mind. Why would you? Adam's, it spells the, what's that word? Greed. Yeah, there's like a weird code bug with that game where it gives you an extra letter. If you tilt out. I think it's because at the beginning of every ball, it gives you a letter. And when you tilt, it, like, confuses the game into thinking you're already on the next ball. So you get, like, extra letters. One or two extra letters. But it's actually in the tournament rules. If you do that, you can get disqualified. Right. All these tournament players. Yeah. So I didn't know that tilting did that. Well, just say you were trying to save a ball. Yeah. As long as you believe that in your heart of hearts.
    58:35
    I believe in myself and the power of the spiral. The ball's already in the trough. I was trying to save it.
    58:43
    It's a Lazarus. I just tried to help it along. Oh, nice. Double skill shot. Yeah, those are good. I love that. I did that by accident, and I was like, oh. Now it's all I want to do. I just noticed the skill shot animation, the rainbow records, it doesn't make the records rainbow anymore. That's nice. I remember that confusing people. George, when you want to get into the head of your opponents and show them you only need two balls to beat them, that's when you tilt. You're like, I don't need this first ball. Tilt it away. Assert your dominance. Assert your dominance, yeah.
    59:20
    That's when, Dennis, you typically just let out your Godzilla cry and, you know, move on, right? I mean, that's. Uh-oh, Zach's here. Flipping out pinball. Uh-oh. Uh-oh, guys. We weren't talking about you. I promise. We weren't talking about Mystery Cat. Oh, wait, we were. Yeah, we're talking about how every game needs a topper, and that's the only way it's going to sell in a tournament. That's it. Oh, pull your pants back up.
    59:48
    That's Nick the Pensomniac. Well done. Yeah, all right. I haven't seen Pensomniac's dream in a hot minute.
    59:57
    That's Nick. What's going on with that? He'll be at TPF, so we can give him a hard time. It's been a hot while is what he's saying. So this is me. This is what annoys me about this game. And it's a good annoyance because I've hit every shot except for this freaking right ramp. So it's like I need to go in. I know every shot's easy, Jeff.
    60:16
    Kind of. It should be an easy shot. I should be able to hit this shot. But that's all I want. I should go into my mode. No. But no, I want to keep going. I want to keep building. I mean, you can start Far Cry. You can start Far Cry and then hit the ramp in Far Cry. That's not a bad idea. Or I just keep going for this.
    60:32
    Joey, you were late there, so next time go earlier. No, I know. I just think you've done this longer, Jeff. That's what I'm going to tell myself. No.
    60:47
    Well, I need to go. By the way, I didn't play my first competitive pinball game until I was 44. I didn't know these things existed. I played when I was a much younger man. I didn't play a pinball machine for 15 years and then found this.
    61:05
    Yeah, remember when Joel almost lost to Jeff on Led Zeppelin Wizard Mode and Joel had the glass off? Yes, I absolutely remember that. I remember that very clearly when you and I raced, Jeff, and to whatever the, what was that? Top of the charts. I took the glass off, and I was struggling to keep up with you. It was pretty great, but that was, I guess. Joel was just like, oh, shit, oh, crap, I can't, oh, the ball keeps flipping away. Yeah, and you're like, completed that record, completed that. I'm like, I'm going to lose, and I'm literally throwing the ball.
    61:40
    Yeah, so here's Far Cry, and I still need to hit my right ramp, but I'm not doing it right. It's a Far Cry from the world. The music's good. Far Cry would be a pretty good video game game for pencil. You don't know which building you pick. Let's just do them all. Come on. There it is. There's the right ramp. First try. Oh, I referenced something no one else gets. Far Cry? No, that's a video game. I'm with you. No, you. You're young. You're on Far Cry 6 now, aren't you?
    62:09
    Five. I lost when I played with the one that was like in the... Oh, no. It's coming, right? Yeah. When you expect that dead bounce and it clips that tiny bit of metal and just... It's the worst.
    62:25
    OMG, Jeff, how old are you? I'm old. So, Slapslave, Kid Christo. How you doing, man? He said, dial the swings down a bit. I don't, you know. Hey, Zach, what's your view on changing settings within a game? You know, is that a thing you like doing? I don't know. Let me know.
    62:42
    Oh, well done. Why's Zach here? Zach, you've had a busy day. You shouldn't be watching this. I've argued it up. My all-time favorite Zach quote is, I'm a good player. And it's like, where have you proven that? Ever. Like, anybody could say that. Just do it. I've seen his promo vids where he's flipping around for a little bit. He slaps Greg in the face one time and he thinks he's a wizard.
    63:15
    Greg or Greg's mom? Greg. That joke never gets old. No, I do love it. And I love that she's been on camera, too. Like, so she's even a part of the group. Yeah. Oh, great. All right. Joel, you're going to start. Oh, after that, you're going to start draining less. We're going to be ripping shots. That's the goal, right? I'll tell you, man. Yesterday, when you got off the call, see, there we go. When you got off the call, I actually had like two or three good games in a row. And then it all fell apart, just like this. Game needs to feel good to you. I mean, I get it. Take Chris, though. Like, I'm totally for when it's your game, you know, make it enjoyable. I'm with you. But I can't do it. I mean, Zach's letting me borrow this game. If I return it to him and I've changed the setting, I don't think he'd like that.
    64:06
    I'll be honest. My game, and I've got all the achievements I'm looking for in these D-60 ones, I have a very loose tilt because, you know, there's some shots that are going to, you know, if you do a fast orbit right to left and it's going down the center lane when it comes out of the pops, there may be an adjustment that I've made that doesn't cause a tilt, so that's fine. Which, you know, I've been playing Rush so much, and then I went to a tournament last Friday. I tilted almost every ball. Oh, yeah. I've got to remember.
    64:34
    That's one of the reasons I worry about putting the tilt too loose on my home games. Yeah, that's why I've never learned. I'll get in a bad habit. I've never learned death saving because it's like I don't want to ever do that. I found it easier to learn how to nudge, though, if you set them loose and then just dial it back when you get to the tournaments. Yeah, and maybe I should do that. Because I'm one of those where, you know, my biggest problem is I actually am not aggressive enough most of the time with the nudges. Well, Dennis, it's a COVID thing for me. When we didn't have tournaments and events and leagues and things for such a long time, we did maybe add the ball saves back and maybe a little looser tilts so that we could kind of explore wizard modes. But you do have to dial them back. You know that Kaylee and Rayo know this. He sets a lot of his games up with two balls. Two ball games? Yeah. yeah well when COVID hit I mostly just ate like a lot of food I did that too, I'm a multi-master eating while playing pinball see my problem is because I got these pin stadiums on my game, I don't ever slap save because I'd be like lights would go flying everywhere and then also I don't do crazy like slides and stuff of the game because then I've got to redo the rig and everything. So I should probably be a little more aggressive. So what you're saying is when you see you drain very quickly, that's why. Because you're being considerate of the stream. Yeah. It's not that you're a bad player. You're thinking of exactly what's happening in the stream. Thank you. Yeah. I know people that watch me stream typically want to see, like, the first, I don't know, 5% of the code depth of the game just over and over and over again. So that's what I give them. I just give it to them over and over and over again. How many ball saves can this guy get?
    66:24
    Pretty much. I'm surprised Penn Stadiums haven't come up with a solution for the slap save and, like, name it Nebula or something.
    66:33
    With a new killer traffic. I think they're available at Kroger. Oh. Well, I'm extra surprised Joel isn't sent in on that. Is it an end cap? One thing. The end cap, yeah. It's the end cap of the produce aisle. Yeah.
    66:52
    Yeah. Maybe if, you know, hey, if Pin Monk, or sorry, if Penn State. Yeah, I don't know if Pin Monk's your favorite, but show a little bit of love to the other hard work. Yeah. Hey, if he wants to sponsor, give me, you know, a pair of internal Penn State hands, then, yeah, I'll flap all day. It'd be great. Joel, your time machine is, like, lit.
    67:11
    Oh, I definitely do that. I prefer him to notice with all those blinking lights on him. I will tell you, though, the fly-by-night, you really, because I had some weird note board issues yesterday. And so when all the GI went out, I really thought something was going on. And then you politely pointed out that it was fly-by-night, and that was part of the move.
    67:31
    So that was – So big money, the cash out is the upper left stand-up, right? What? On big money, right there, that shot was the – No, the time machine. Time machine. What am I thinking of? Fear of the radio. Thank you.
    67:48
    That's the blue. Yeah, the five by nine, that's a pinball moment right there, especially on the LE when the GI is all out and the center ramp has all six LEDs going. It's pretty cool.
    68:00
    Yeah, that's pretty neat. I bet the tournament people will hate it, though. I don't regret this because of the rush fandom that at least one of you has in this discussion. So why is Hedwig all over this game? Is that just like a big Harry Potter troll or what?
    68:19
    Where is Hedwig? Hedwig's the owl. That's the owl down at the bottom. Hedwig is Harry Potter's pet owl.
    68:27
    Cover the floor by an owl. Yeah, that's... Thank you, Jeff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Explain it to the movie ghosts. I got you. Your time machine is lit for 4X big money. I'm just saying that he looks just like the Harry Potter owl. The book version, of course. The book, yeah. Not the movies, no. So I want to hit the time machine is what you're telling me, right?
    68:49
    So you want a lot of points. Oh! And also, I think it'll beat the mode, too. Come on. It's just right up the middle. It's the easiest shot in the game, right? Does it say on this how many shots are left on this mode?
    69:04
    Once he hits this, it will. Usually it'll tell you in the upper left, but right now it's too busy telling them he's got a 4X big money jackpot ready. Tell me, don't just do something, right? I smell a ball state. It's there, but I just need to get cradled up here.
    69:22
    No, pull it out. Right when it's coming down the end lane, flip it again to bounce it back. There we go. Okay. Oh, geez. It's not losing books if Tomar went. Dude, Zach, everybody missed out on our Discord today. It was, whoo.
    69:39
    Oh, did it give it to me? It gave it to me, even though it didn't make it all the way up. Thank you, Ken Monk. Yes, I do see it. Yeah. That was an interesting way to hit up the middle.
    69:53
    Yeah. All right. So what am I in? I'm in big money right now, right? Yeah. But how many shots are left? That's what I want to know.
    70:03
    Let's see. Once it gets back to the play here. Round three Three out of three Three shots You can see that right here Jeff Right there Yep Right there At TPN we offer entertainment not only to the community but also behind the curtains Oh, Lord. It was... I mean, Ray, you were part of that entertainment.
    70:23
    Dennis, oh, you suck. I need the ball stave out of the pops, too, Ray. I know you're giving me the one out of the scoop, but can you give me one out of the pops, too? Maybe one off the drops, too. Just all of that. Elastic bands over the out lanes.
    70:38
    But he's already given me two ball saves. Look at this. Ooh, ground to hand. So my best is $150,000. Like, it's not a million, $150 million. It's not the... $150,000, yeah, your best. I don't know why you put it there. I thought we were done with that. What? See, I reset my first ball if I don't get $150,000.
    71:00
    Well, you're also my best. I think I had 80% was my best increase, yeah. What are you on? The old CPU question, Joel? What are you talking about? We should have Unboxed and they'll leave for you, Joel. Hey, next time. Why not? You know?
    71:15
    I will say, Ray, Tom, Tom in our Triple Drink Discord, Tom is enjoying his rush. So, well done. He's really enjoying the flow that that shot is giving him.
    71:29
    The dead-end shot is the buck. He's enjoying that a lot. Will we hear his joy on the next Triple Drink? Yeah, when's he going to stream the rush? That's a great question. I know. He's probably waiting until it gets a little bit longer. No, it's because all his streaming gear is at District 82. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's probably not bringing it out to District 82, so it'll probably be a while. That's a good point. He's like, you know what? I did a 17-hour stream the other day, Tom. It's like, dude, that guy's a champ. I mean, streaming is the most difficult way to contribute to the hobby. I mean, everything else is just a joke, right? I mean, what's podcasting besides just sitting there talking to yourself? I'll give everyone else an extra juicy behind-the-scoop scoop. I suggested to Zach today that maybe we should just hiatus the pinball show until Toy Story drops, since there's no big news until then. You should pull all your past episodes, too. You've got at least a Weird Al episode. Hmm? You've got a Weird Al episode where Zach will complain about... I said big news. Oh, wow. Great. You can even defend that. Jeez. Ray's favorite, this is Ray's dream thing. Ray's tempted. I know Ray thought about it. You're allowed to say it, Ray. I know you work for Stern, but you can. No, Ray, don't. Gary will know. He'll snap it out. Don't do it. Listen to me. I'll keep you safe. 17 songs. It's pretty awesome. It's good. I will say, what I saw, the art looks great. Poison Max, really impressive. I think the sound package, Scott's an easy. I've talked to him a little bit behind the scenes. He basically did all of the music, like, composing. So, again, he freaking loved it. He said, that's the thing that I've really learned is how much I enjoy, like, all the other sounds that you make for a pinball machine. And so I have no doubt Scott produced a good product. So everything's there. I mean, I think the main... I thought it was interesting that they said the wizard mode is running with scissors. Yes. But Albuquerque's not in the game, unless it is. Yeah.
    73:35
    Albuquerque, so that's a hidden track, right, at the end of Running With Scissors? Is that it? It's not a hidden track. It's just the last track on the album.
    73:44
    And it's, like, 12 minutes long. Yeah. It's a great song, by the way. Yeah. To Nickel, Dennis, did you get to play Rush last weekend in KC? What did you think?
    73:53
    Dennis said people want to know. People want to know. Well, yes. Yeah. I was going to type an answer because I didn't want to interrupt you. Yes, I did. I didn't get much time on it, so I can't rank it yet other than I enjoyed my time with it. But it's not the sort of game I would buy.
    74:11
    I only have room for seven, and I'm very cheap. Was the one spreading misinformation about the hidden track? The only actual hidden track is on the album Off the Deep End, where after 15 minutes of silence, after You Don't Love Me Anymore, it does a loud screaming noise for eight seconds. Oh, the Ghostbusters scream. Oh, no. That would be funny if they put that in there somewhere.
    74:38
    I think most people would say it would not be funny at all. Yeah, Dennis is a huge theme guy. So at the end of the day, Word Owl, I think it's a great-looking game. I think it looks really fun. I look forward to playing it at TPF. But what we haven't seen is manufacturing, how quickly are they going to get these games out. I mean, I think it's going to sell well. You mean the same as everyone else? Yeah, I mean, yeah. Nobody's – yeah, if you went to buy a pinball machine today, of all the pinball machines possible, what would be the one you could get in your home the fastest? I don't – Well, think about it. You buy that, and then when the one you really want comes out, You sell the one you just bought and do it again. That's kind of how the cycle works. That's the Zach strategy. I think that's why it's so hard to get games now because everyone's following that strategy. There we are. Oh, there's a game that I can get? Well, I'll just get that. That's right. Well, it doesn't help Zach because you're probably still in the second-hand market.
    75:38
    I mean, if you wanted to buy a new one box and you didn't want to wait, I don't. Zach would obviously know best. What's the easiest? Beatles, maybe? Beatles? I'm just trying to think what might be in stocks. I heard they still have some in Canada, but, you know, I don't even know if the U.S. has Beatles left. Well, I think it's the Batman game with the screwed up deckle. That's flipping out. Oh, yeah. Oh, the 40th. Elvira 40th, number 40. Yeah, that's available. Yeah, you could probably get a new and boxed Elvira 40th.
    76:07
    Rush in Kansas City is at Nub's Pub. Dennis, I live near you. Where did you play Rush? Team Angus. Actually, there might be some American pinball games you can get. Aren't they still taking, like, Oktoberfest?
    76:22
    They are, but I don't know how long of a wait it is to get it. Hot Wheels and LLV, I think, are on the line now. But, you know, there's a comment about Beatles. We're really gone now. Do you know when the sales for Beatles went up? After Free Play Florida. Yep.
    76:38
    Travis Lott is. Travis and... It was also after... Actually, you said the same... A little bit later. Or earlier.
    76:46
    It was like two weeks before replay, right? That's one. All the tournament players. And what's crazy is I don't think it had the topper on during the tournament. What? Yeah. It was still fun. But topper modes are always used in the tournament. I don't know. Was it used in the finals? Was that the thing? Like, people got to the finals and like, oh, this is a modern. Dude, I rode Beetle through my finals. That was like the only game I could beat anybody at. It was just fun. I think we really got. When you put a game in the tournament, it doesn't matter what the game is. It really doesn't. And you're playing it over and over and over again. The good players kind of find out what the strats are and not necessarily exploit it, but certainly, you know, when you get to play a game several times in an open dump, that's when you'll see the best of a game. When it's a limited edition game, probably not, because you're probably taking safe shots as opposed to trying to blow up and get a GC or triple stack and all that kind of stuff.
    77:43
    Zax, yeah, laugh all you want. Beatles Topper's going for $1,500 now. Yeah, there's, I mean, don't get me wrong. If the finals of InDisc would have been on Godzilla, a game that people all know, that would have been cool to see what strategy, how are people attacking it. But I also know, like, strategically, Ray, if you're going up against Z-Mac, you're not picking Godzilla. You would not want to play Z-Mac and Godzilla, right? No, not at all. Yeah. I'd probably throw him to the party zone and watch him suffer. Oh, my God. Party zone should be for a man from 20 years. Zach got $3 billion on Godzilla in qualifying. At least, didn't he?
    78:19
    Like, there's no way he's playing. I was just so happy that I got to pick. I mean, I only got to pick the first round because after that I was too low of speed. But I got to pick the three Bally Williams, you know, Doctor Who, Shadow, and Dirty Harry. Nice.
    78:35
    And also think of Kaylee, too. He was the oldest player there in the finals. and he's going against Colin Urban and Z-Mac, both kids under 20. And do you think they've had a lot of time on Shadow or Stargate? Certainly not Mystery Castle. So that's why Kaylee would pick those first two games anyway because he's had way more experience on those. Finally hit my 1-2-3, Ray.
    79:02
    Been aiming that shot way too long. I think the game times would have been comparable to Mystery Castle because, you know, five minutes worth of trapping up. Wow. Zach, he's going to ride this to his death, guys. Hey, man, there's a lot of games you trap up on, and there's some new ones too. And they know that they're not exactly the greatest mode, so they've changed the code so that the clock stops, so that you can't completely trap up. But I can name a lot of newer games from all companies where trapping up is done. I would assume, Ray, that's kind of like an unwritten rule now at Stern. Don't allow you to trap up on modes. Because I can't think of the last modern Stern that you can just trap up through a mode. They stop the timer. Yeah, it's just sort of become the default setting on all our timers, that they just pause when there's not any activity. Yeah. They go play the game. Unless you're like Keith and you tell Rick to override some of those, like Pteranodon, because, I don't know. I guess Carl was getting too big a Trinidad flex. So that particular timer is always running even if it's in the box. I want to ask Dennis a question if that's okay as we watch Rush. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dennis? Yeah? I'm sure he's there. I'm sorry. Recently on Final Round a few episodes ago, I gave the sense that pinball is becoming more of a commodity than collecting.
    80:29
    You know, you're buying them to maybe sell them. That certainly can be said for a lot of the LEs. Where do you think, I don't know if it's there yet completely about commodities. I mean, people are obviously playing it. You see them in tournaments, leagues, arcades. Where do you stand on that?
    80:48
    It's shifted, certainly. I don't know how much, but what do you think? Yes. I think we've seen that in a lot of hobbies, though. And how much of this is just simply because of bottlenecks. I mean, the thing with the LEs, I think, has been true for a very long time. And I don't think there's any going back on that. Unless, well, no, there's really no unless. I mean, there are some things that could be done. You know, for example, the manufacturers could start pressuring the distributors to not allow people to purchase more than one LE. Okay. You know, I feel bad for the distributors. I really do. Like, unless they've got a side deal with the people they're selling them to. Like, all right, I'll sell it to you. You flip it and we'll split the difference, which I doubt is happening, but you never know. And I don't know. I think they look at this like, geez, I just sold this thing to you for $12 and you flipped it for $20. You know, that's out of my pocket. Yeah, but again, it's true. I hate doing this. I'll give you a watch comparison. I mean, that's been for years the issue with Rolex. Rolex dealers will sell you a Submariner for $8,000. It gets flipped for over $14,000 immediately. and they're not allowed to sell above. That's part of their contract with Rolex.
    82:01
    So it's like, yeah, it kind of sucks, but they also don't. The price of being a distributor is you have to follow the MSRP in that business. But the realization that this is happening was proven in Elvira in the 40th. All right, we'll give you distributors X amount of games and you pick the price. Sure, but Zach still got some. So there is a ceiling there. Yeah, but he also offered to knock $2,000, $3,000 off of this last week. And, you know, Elvira, I said when that game came out, yeah, they're going for $25,000. You're not flipping it for $30,000, at least not in the next 45 years. But our price is higher than most to test the market. That's why he's able to win. He's a market tester. You want to know what the ceiling is. I was going to say, it all ends up evening out eventually. Like right now, if you look on Pinside, it's like a bunch of LEs are listed at $3,000 over. But if there's 14 of them available, they're not all going to sell at $3,000 over. People are going to start bidding. They're going to find the best price, and then people will lower it as they're not selling. Yeah, I mean, back to the broad strokes of Jeff's point, the issue with LEs is, of course, there's a set fixed number that's announced. So you basically force commodity status on those no matter what because there's a known exclusivity. You know there's no more than that particular number. The thing that I think will ultimately end is this weird situation where we've got where people are buying a Stern Pro Godzilla, playing it for four weeks, and then they sell it for more than they bought it for. That is hair-shaped, and it's not sustainable. It's only because Stern's production cannot keep up with the demand. But once that right sides, because logically speaking, there's absolutely no reason a played game that's still in production should go for more. Remember back in the day when they were actually froze in inventory, and you could just buy one? That's how you brought your Deadpool, right? Yeah, I mean, it's like when I bought Star Trek, It was a, like, oh, yeah, it was. I don't think mine had actually been built yet, but they were still on the line. They're like, oh, yeah, it'll get built in the next two days and shipped right to you. I think I waited, like, a week before it arrived to my door. So it's like, that was back when they were under five grand, too.
    84:29
    I got to admit, I was shocked I got my Rush Pro as quickly as it did, I think two weeks after. Yeah, did you cheat the operator status somehow? Yeah, you've got some love. You know what? No, I'm not going to throw anybody under the bus. but this is what I was told. It's going to operators and prominent. Pinball personality. Oh, my God. Honest to God. Rick Robertson-Light.
    84:53
    Getting the first pin. Rick Robertson-Light. I wasn't the only one, I know. Ever since he got the first TNA from Spooky, I'm like, he just gets the first of anything he wants because he's a rock star.
    85:07
    I did ask when I bought it. I'm like, why am I getting this? Yeah, you and pinballers both got your game so fast. Well, and it's because he streams it. So he's marketing it. And they, I think, knew that I was also going to rant and rave about it. I hyped it before I got it and have only done more so since then. Yeah. I love it when people just have that nausea. Please tell me more. Hype it. I've repeatedly asked Zach if I could have the first pro because I've done all this podcasting with him. I ask him off the air, and he always goes, no, I have to give it to operators first. So his rule stick-fulness is now extra tilting me here. Bullshit. Hey, go through that. Try that Canadian distributor. He just doesn't like me. He probably saves it for Greg Bone.
    85:55
    Yeah. Hey, look inside the big Jurassic Park video game. Look inside the... There's a pin. Actually, I was watching that video, and I had it on the screen during the PIA video. And I said, oh, look, this is the clip from when Zach got this arcade game for Greg. And I said, this is the person who didn't know Zach. And I said, oh, yeah, everyone knows about my Jordan, Zach. I mean, it's just how I got the Jordan spot. He just looks at me and goes, you got ripped off. Well, hey, listen, I'm going to be all over Zach next year. If you don't top that game, if you don't top the Jurassic Park video game to Greg Bone, what did Bone do to piss you off? Oh, yeah. Well, I'm telling you, Greg's probably not watching, but if you are, Greg, I'm telling you, you've got a slightly crooked decal of Ira in your future.
    86:57
    Zach has brought up a good point. Flipping out pinball, didn't have a choice. Yeah, this game is Zach's showroom pro. So, basically, he gets a pro for the showroom, and then he films some media with it, and then normally that pro either goes to me or it goes to the guys up in Chicago, and then Zach just waits for his LE to show up. So, I don't know. I don't know how you got a pretty sweet gig there, Jeff, but, hey, I'm not complaining. That's awesome for you. Well, I mean, he was the voice in Raza, so he's got a lot of pull. And Legend of Valhalla, you know, yeah. I got a text from somebody today who was playing Legends, and they said, are you the voice of Odin? I said, yeah. And they go, that doesn't sound like Odin. And I said, oh.
    87:42
    Yes, the Legend of Valhalla. I said, oh, I didn't hear that clip. You should have sent me that. He goes, well, it's Anthony Hopkins. I'm like, well, I was told it's the god of war. And, you know, so. And he's quite mad. So, anyway. Oh, okay. They were compared to Hopkins. Okay. Is there one time back when I first did the Alvin Jones voice, that's what Zach told me. He's like, I didn't sound like Alvin Jones.
    88:11
    That's how I made that character up. We haven't heard from Nordman tonight. And I know we're not looking at the logo. Don't worry. We're not breaking any copyright laws. But we certainly can hear the voice, can't we, at one point? Oh, I don't know. What? Yeah, all of my two boys. You know, there's actually someone who pushed it up and said he hates Nordman. Oh, Nordman's the best. And I like that he adds the music behind it. I think that's great. Oh, yeah. That is Zach's joy of editing that goes into place. But I'm sure glad Joel is streaming Rush here. I would have put in more ramps. This game doesn't have enough plastics. I need to see lights. I need to see really crazy bouncy ramps and lots of multi-ball and maybe a crazy miner.
    88:55
    Joel, did you get this game before me? And where's Rachel? Where's Rachel? Where's my engineer? David Picks, give me an engineer. Swear to me.
    89:05
    Well done. We're taking requests. So Jeff has been in Raza. He's been in Legends of Valhalla. Jeff, I'm sorry, man. I think you've had your time. I think Dennis may be the next voice actor of Pinball. He's so versatile.
    89:24
    There are stronger voices. I don't. Where's My Engineer will always be my favorite Nordman. Yes, that is definitely the best one. I have to keep going from company to company because no one would build my brilliant creations.
    89:37
    Did you ever play Blackwater 100? That's a world under glass. How many name tags does Dennis Dorbin have?
    89:46
    Oh, boy, yeah. All his security cards. He could probably still get in the Stern building. Elvira, what did you do to my creations?
    89:57
    Oh, so great. Oh, that's ruined it. Oh, what am I doing? We had a choice to flip either one of those flippers. I know. I was like, oh, I'll let this dead bounce over there. And actually, I'll let it dead bounce over there. We haven't heard Pinside Petey in about a decade. Pinside Petey was so good.
    90:17
    Wasn't he the guy? Pinside Petey. He didn't small dose it, trust me. Who was the? No, wait. No, who am I thinking? Who is the guy that would call? Sammy Pinball. That's who it was. Oh, man. I couldn't get enough of it. Slap save Sammy Pinball. Dude, I freaking loved it. I was at the Houston show. Oh, man. And the guy came up to me and goes, hey, I listen to podcasts. Oh, great. He goes, I'm on a podcast, too. And I go, oh, which one? Because I didn't recognize him. And he goes, and he did the Sammy Pinball. I was just like, oh, that's it. I thought it was a secret. He goes, yeah, the guys don't even know it. A follower doesn't even know. I'm like, oh, it's so good. That was such a great segment, Sammy Pinball. Yeah, I freaking love it. I missed that podcast. That was a good job. You know what? Hey, and I know flipping out's there. When you're looking for a guest host, no offense in Sandy Falls, but Fowler. If we can get Fowler back, that would be kind of good. Just always Fowler. Or get Sammy Pinball. Just get Sammy Pinball for a whole episode. People love that, yeah. Small doses. You know what? I did tell Sam, when he told me it was him, I said, my only advice to you, because it's, as Petey can be an irritating voice, small, the fewer words, the better. Because the long, too much of it is, less is more. Trust me. I freaking loved him. He was, oh, yeah. I like it. I like it a lot. But, hey, podcasting is easy. We all know it. It's just, it's not streaming. This is true. It's the easiest way you can contribute to the hobby. So those in the chat who are interested in being more involved in pinball, I highly, highly encourage you to get into podcasting. Yeah. Why do people flame out?
    92:05
    Editing. They don't follow a schedule. No. You know what? Dennis, I've been doing this for five, six years, and having no schedule is the best thing ever. And look at you. You're on hiatus now. No, what are you talking about? I did the Josh Sharpe show. I'm back. Yeah, 2-2-2. I haven't played that one yet. Can't miss that, man. And I did two final rounds. I'm back. In this kind of, I had a lot of people come up to me, and a few lawyers and police also helped with things. So, yeah, I'm back. Yay! Here's your shirt. Pinball show.
    92:41
    So, I've got two young children. I have a two-year-old and a four-year-old. So, all my t-shirts that I buy, I'm typically thinking of them. what's a shirt that's going to bring them joy. And so they both recognized this goat, and I was like, well, it's a screaming goat. And so I had to explain to my 4-year-old what the screaming goat was, so I showed her the YouTube video, and she thought it was the funniest thing. Had a six-second video of a screaming goat. And then obviously they have, like, Frozen, Let It Go, but every time Let It Go goes to the screaming goat. I mean, she was dying. So well done, Zach and Dennis, for embracing this. I didn't design that, and the goat's not mine, Although I am embarrassed to say I'm wearing the same shirt today. Hey, there we go. All right. And a little bit back to Sammy Pinball's right quick. I want to say that ever since he sang that Doobie Brothers song, What a Fool Believes, I have that in my MP3 list. That was good. Him singing it? I'll gift a sub to Flip It Out if you get any achievement. Any achievement. All right. I need to look at what achievements I can get. I'm assuming there's a few modes I have not completed, which is sad.
    93:50
    Can you hold the button and see what achievements we need? Let's see. Yep. Okay. There we go. Basile knocked it out. Working Man did it. Fly by night.
    94:02
    My ship isn't going to collect a super jackpot and fly by night. Or two super jackpots. No. So complete La Villa. That's 12 shots. That's a tough one. You can do that. Nobody's ever done that. That's not true. I've done it. Oh. Were you connected? Yeah. I'm connected. Check Red Zeppelin. Spirit of the Radio. Free Will. That's multi-ball. So six super jackpots. So jackpots there. Limelight. Limelight's one I might be able to do. The one I haven't done is the starting using the weapon on Tom Sawyer, Limelight, and Red Barchetta. Exit the Warrior. Complete Tom Sawyer. That one's actually easier than it first sounds because you only need the one album. You only need moving pictures. Right, but then you've got to get the... Yeah, play the three modes. Two modes and the one multiple, right? Yeah. Is that a multiple? Yep. Gaming grueling... Yeah, picking your song at the beginning of the game doesn't matter. That's just background noise. But picking your song based on the mode does matter. Why does Tom Sawyer's raft have a Soviet flag?
    95:05
    No, it's a red flag. Yeah. Is the raft in the Ukraine? Start one little victory. What is this? One little victory multi-ball. How do I get that?
    95:15
    15 jackpots and Far Cry. And it keeps your progress. So if you play multiple Far Cries, you'll get to it eventually. It's not going to happen.
    95:25
    Yeah, now we're in the deeper stuff. Use a weapon to add a ball. That's something. Okay. So what's a 1-2-3 combo that I can do to get a weapon that's an add-a-ball weapon, Ray? Well, keep scrolling through your, you should be able, one of the, Use weapon in Tom Sawyer Redwood, oh, in the same game, okay.
    95:45
    Collect five albums. Joel, we believe in you. Thank you, C&K. Albums, so here. So which one of these are, Joel might need some motivation. He might need Jeff's help to tell you which albums are which songs. Yeah. But all of these, all of these weapons will give me an addable. So the first album, Rush is working, man. Fly by Night is Fly by Night only. Permanent Waves is Spirit of the Radio. Clockwork Angels is Headlong Flight. Go to the next one. So, in that page, the two that are multi-balled would be Fly by Night or Clockwork Angels. Movie Pictures, Three Songs, Red Barchetta, Tom Sawyer, Limelight. Snakes and Arrows is Far Cry only. Power Windows is Big Money.
    96:30
    Hemispheres is Laveela. I think, yeah. But fly by night. Arrow might be your best bet, right? Yeah, Far Cry. It's the easiest one to start because it's the scoop. Yeah, so Far Cry is, what do I have to do to get that one? You're hitting the one dead end shot on the left of the time machine. Okay. It's that right there. Snake in there. Go. One more.
    96:53
    Okay. So the dead end shot. Dead end? Yep. Left orbit. And then the left orbit. And then the side loop, which is the upper, the ramp. Not the side ramp. Oh, no. Side loop. Oh, boy. Okay.
    97:05
    So dead end shot first. Okay. And then you go into far cry, which is, you know, hitting those stand-ups on the ramp. Just aim for the ramp. You'll hit the stand-ups. Nice. All right. We're going to have to... Yep.
    97:16
    Do you need some help, Joel, with some free banner giveaway? I think you got a 21-12. I did, because I suck.
    97:24
    Flipping out. Rush banner giveaway if Joel gets a Stern Insider Connect achievement and $100 million in a game. Okay. Whoa.
    97:31
    That's all the rules. Joel? All right. Off the grass. Yeah. Here we go. Okay. I've read the rules. There's a little bit of a loophole. Oh, thanks. Yeah, that was something.
    97:44
    Okay, so dead end target first. And that's awesome. Yep, there we go. Here we go. You can also, like, if you keep it in the bottom left flipper, you can go for the moving pictures, which is right ramp something something. What would that give me?
    98:01
    That would give you red bar 10. Hit the wrong one. Which is fine. We'll just focus on the 100 million.
    98:09
    Focus on getting, you know, double what I've done all night. Try the back spinner. Try the backhand. Yeah, backhand it. I did do that earlier, actually. Do not tilt. Stop. Now backhand it. Look at that nice double danger animation that got added. Nice.
    98:27
    That was not a backhand. No, I wasn't going. I was going for the... I can backhand that. Spinner. Why do I want to go for the spinner right now? Because you want to get one of those twos. You've got to get off that. To get the album, you've got to get rid of this combo. Gotcha. That's not it.
    98:45
    Jeez. Okay. All right, all right, all right, all right, all right. Yep. There it is. Now, either one. Right or just the post right between them, right? Between it. Yeah, yeah. Catch it. Now, okay, backhand the spinner. Come on. You can do it. Or just backhand. Too early, too early. Backhand right into the sling. Yep, yep, yep. Where's Miri tonight? I don't know. Probably being a bum. Post pass. Get over the other side. You swear by this backhand. Yes. You prefer that over that. I never, ever, ever forehand it. All right. Nordman, tell them how good the backhand is. Backhands are always superior to forehands. I hear it. And ball player.
    99:19
    All right. Let's get that backhand. I interrupted Nordman. Nope. See, he's still way too early. I thought about making you my new villain, Ray Day. The Ray Dayler. All right. There we go. Okay, now you want to hit one more of those loops. Yep.
    99:39
    Backhand the spinner. You can do it. Just killing posts. That was a concerned tennis noise. I don't know what that was. Yeah. Can you imagine him playing anything like tennis and stuff and he's all forehands the whole time?
    99:55
    You know what's really fun? Streaming for 40 people and getting criticized by four. 45. Now. Oh. It's going to be 44. Keep knocking back, Andy. There it is. There you go. There it is. Okay. There's one. Now you're going to hit the stand-up. Hit the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Left of the time machine.
    100:14
    Okay. Left of the time machine. There it is. Boom. Now, okay. Left, left. Yeah, yeah. Pops. Post-pass over. Post-pass to that flipper. Yay. There it is. Boom. Beautiful.
    100:28
    Now the upper loop. I need a backhand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got it. Oh, hold on. So here's your post pass, right? Yes.
    100:40
    I don't ever get nervous playing, because I know I'm garbage, so I just play. But now all of a sudden there's, like, pressure, and it's a weird feeling. I would never post pass backhand. I think Jeff is great. No, post it. I would just stay. Oh, no. I went for it. There it is, right here. Okay. No, I hit the ramp instead. Not the ramp. So the ramp is going to give me the other kills. You have to get to one little victory, which is its own achievement. Okay. How does that work? Forget it. All right. Start over. Dead end. Forget it. Dead end. Enjoy.
    101:15
    Okay. Through the pops. Bounce it. There we go. On the floor. There it is. Okay. Nice. Bounce it. Bounce. There we go. We're good. Wow, look it. He's already back to where he was. Yeah, no problem, guys. I mean, no problem. We're right here. What's that? Oh, Zach's trying to sell games right now. Okay.
    101:37
    That was way too... Oh. Yep, yep, yep, yep. We're good. He'll go over to the left flipper. He's going to hit time machine. That's all.
    101:46
    Oh, good. Oh, oh. I'm done. Here we go, here we go, here we go. This back end, okay. I mean, you could hit the time machine if you want. I don't know. I know, but we want to see the animations. So I never collected that first combo. I'm, like, building those up, right? You have two combos, but you don't have the – see how the number three is blinking on the ramp really slowly? No, but you're both correct. There actually is an album available, but since you're in the combo, it's turned it off for now. So you have to complete this one, and then you'll get both combos.
    102:20
    Oh, because once you hit the one, you're in it. Yeah, if that was a recent change in the setting, you can put it back to the way it was, or you can even set it so that you can get albums in multiball, I think.
    102:32
    But basically, it was a way for that you don't accidentally collect, like, the low combo value. You can keep building it up, and, like, right now, the time machine will be lit to collect his previous album, but it's not.
    102:48
    Oh. Uh-oh. There we go, right here, right here. Come on. Oh! That post right between them. We're going to get back there. No!
    102:58
    Sorry, it's going to be the... No, no, they're all gone. They're all gone. And they're all gone. And it's gone. Sorry. It was only ball one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of play time, a lot of control shots. Hey, don't let the score fool you. That was a good ball. Yeah. Seriously. Yeah, you got three million in bonus for that ball. I bumped up the bonus a little bit in the last update to reflect how many stuffs you were hitting. and also if you beat a mode you get a nice bonus ok that's wrong by wrong combo we're just whipping through combos real quick that's ok oh and you got one Far Cry Loxy does he still have one little victory album Tom Sawyer if I complete this mode I don't think he ever collected it if I complete this mode this is an achievement that's an achievement yeah what do I need to do for this oh it's orbits first yeah orbits first It's not an easy mode. It's not. Was it 12 shots to complete? No.
    103:57
    Slow down. Come on, come on, come on. Slow down, slow down. So much side to side.
    104:04
    Nice. Love it. There it is. Okay. I just always go for it. Now I have to hit my ramp. This is why I feel like people don't put enough emphasis on learning games when they're trying to get better. Joel is like a Superman now, just shooting intently with purpose. Yes. We're telling him what to hit, and he's just doing a lot better. Okay. I love flipping Godzilla. No real clue what's doing it. So once Indus was done, I was playing with Robert Byers, and I'm like, Robert, you're slaying the game to me. Totally different game now. Yeah. My best dreams have always been coaching, having somebody set a goal and coach. but all right let's hit some ramps i like the park right what uh i used to have that left this this ramp dialed in and now i will race thing is if you hit the scoop is that is that ball free ready to go this is yeah i hit my scoop i'm in park right so you could have that and tom sorry there we go should i go for it Actually I would wait until you hit the side ramp and then that light all shots so then it a good time to combo it with multi It going so fast It so fast
    105:27
    I've gotten really used to doing that out of habit. And this was a big thing Ray told me that I didn't know.
    105:35
    I don't know if it's this mode, Ray, tell me or not. If it's a red flashing arrow versus an orange versus a yellow. So red is the best one. Right now, dead end is red, so that's 5x, but it's going to go away. The higher the jackpot, the faster it goes away. Now it's gone.
    105:51
    The blue ones are the ones that always stick around because they're 1x. They're the lowest. And then once you hit one, another one will pop up. Another two will pop up, yeah. So you kind of like try to keep chaining together because if they all run out, then all the shots will light again, which is good, but your jackpot value will reset to the beginning. So if you're really stuck on like right now, if you're stuck on that side ramp, you could just wait it out until you get.
    106:17
    Oh, almost lost. Right there. I think that $100 million is looking. Like. I don't know. That's better, Zach. I know. That's why I was like. Uh-oh.
    106:33
    Oh, there's a nice jack in there. $9 million drum bonus. $6 million instrument bonus. No, there we go Oh, the walker I don't know fellas, this seems like one heck of a great game to end End of Scott Winner then takes home the premium they won I liked how Zach was typing all that while Raymond was explaining how you could just mystery castle and hold if you were happy So I'm back to So Tom Sawyer, if I went back into Tom Sawyer would it be there? I'd be back at the beginning what mode are you on right now Tom Sawyer well Tom Sawyer if I went back into it does it continue where I was or am I yep yeah but I have to requalify it so I have to hit my two shots the blue ones yeah but we're going to hit that one on the left stand up which I think is blue uh yeah oh no because I just hit my rush targets they just moved it's okay who cares we want the blue Fly By Night's ready to go but I really want my oh what's the Fly By Night album Fly by night. I mean, yeah. What's the shot pattern for it, I wonder? Let's look.
    107:46
    Oh, well. I would just start it. Yeah, you're on ball three. You got a nice score. Where's my... There we go. Fly by night is left orbit, side ramp, dead end.
    107:56
    Well, it's not too bad. Oh! You'd be risking... Yeah, I'd be risking a lot. Oh, no. If you hit the dead end, it'll change which time machine you're on. So don't even... Yeah. As I somehow back... handed the dead end shot from the left flipper. Alright, well now you're unfortunately not playing fly by nine anymore, which doesn't matter. You had an achievement for it too, which would have been nice. Oh, I see. Good save. Through the pops.
    108:22
    Just chilling. TD, right? What's the ruling here, Joel? What's the ruling? Where would the ball go? It would be put on my right flipper, right? Okay, what if it was on the wire frame to the right of that? Are you serious? Oh.
    108:37
    Oh. 30 million. All right, what time is it? 11.40. We have 12 minutes. 12 minutes because normally I end around midnight. So let's see. Was I only given that game? Because I think, I don't know. Zach sets these rules and then I just ignore them. But all right. I mean, I'm fine. You can try. Stop here, Steven. I'm going again. Here we go. There we go. I'm shooting with a purpose now, guys. You know, trying to make Papa Jeff proud and Ray Day. And I don't want to disappoint Dennis. and it's just... Oh my god, two Rush Banners and all Joel has to do is get 100 million?
    109:12
    Fine, two Rush Banners no achievement, okay Ray what's the code? Get a lot of records before you start your mode, get a lot of records Build it up, alright I would just make sure you get a multiball of some kind Working man, if I can get working man going and then get my multiball, things usually go well and I do that garbage and definitely probably the most friendly mode there we go, there's an orange shot so Ray, if he gets the mode going after getting a few records then all he should be concentrating on is the center ramp to get the multiball going, right?
    109:49
    probably unless you have Far Cry restart, restart yeah, that did not work mulligan there we go log me in gotta get those chivos This is my favorite. Where'd that song go? The double bass drum. There it is. This is my favorite song right here.
    110:11
    All right. That was the tour they came back. They were on hiatus for a long time. Five years. Jeff, I'm... The Clockwork Angels?
    110:20
    One Little Victory. Favorite track, probably. What do we... Whoa! Dennis is coming in with some gifted subs here, man. Wow, Dennis. Appreciate it. Gotta have your hype. Gotta get that hype going. Yeah, appreciate it. Ten. Coming in strong. Thank you, man.
    110:38
    That's like. I have no orange shots. What, one? Just hit any record you can hit. Any of the toppers? Yes. I'm glad you also do math and toppers like me. That's true.
    110:52
    All right. There was a shoe record here. All right. What do I need? Dead end shot. There it is. That's three. All right. Is that actually your exonerate? I didn't know that.
    111:10
    Yeah. What does it mean? Nothing. Years and years ago, back in the old online chat forum days, we'd do role-playing and stuff, and I had some name, and it was Dom, and someone said, can you come up with a good name? So I just made it up.
    111:31
    Kind of like what, Zabiac? You know, I do have a Zodiac Super Seawolf. Wow, how do you bit transfer to a streamer? At the end of the month, do you review the statement?
    111:45
    Do you get all out? Yeah, Zach. He doesn't. I don't know. Zach has shared that with us, which is awesome.
    111:57
    Normally, we just split it 50-50. Wow, appreciate it, everybody. All right, what do we got? So I'm still putting in, still aiming for records here.
    112:11
    But my, where am I at? But I don't want to start Tom Sawyer yet. But if I start Tom Sawyer, I could just go over and over again for. It's not big enough points though. I just did a combo. I don't know which combo I did. Clockwork Angel. So it's the.
    112:26
    Headlong. Headlong flight. Kong. All right. Nobody saw this. Oh, power surge. It happens. My power is really, it goes in and out. The computer stays, I don't know why, but the games. Different breaker. Ray, I have to say, the fact that Keith coded in that little sound bite for Carl when he resets on Godzilla, and it goes, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl. Brilliant. That's so great. How is flipping out giving away these banners? Those things are expensive. All right, right here. I got one from him once, and I was like, damn. This is it, right here. This is it. This is a big one. I just spent him like 50 bucks. Team Monkey, how we doing? Huh? All right, here we go. So, I won't work you, man. He takes the biddies and turns them into banners. Well, apparently the biddies go to Joel somehow. That's what we were trying to figure out. That's what they want us to think.
    113:21
    That's a banner factory that presses the biddies down into the raw material. Stand up. Okay, okay. Actually, Joel probably does have access to the banner printing capability.
    113:33
    Are you serious? All right, it's fine. We're going to work through it. Biddies to banners. That's my favorite. Wow.
    113:41
    We're going to work through it. We got this. I was on the wrong song. Here we go.
    113:46
    Don't choke. The problem is... You should experiment with... Ray, quick, set up your stream. Set up your stream, Ray. Somebody else? Yeah. I'll give you the login. You can do it for us, right?
    114:01
    I was just saying, experiment with, instead of always trying to build, try playing a game where you go immediately for the mode start, and then once you drain in that mode, you're back to where you were anyway. So you didn't really lose much. Oh, good point.
    114:16
    And then you can build it. Or if you don't drain, then you'll beat the mode, which is good, too. I want to go straight now. And then once you get more comfortable, you can start pressing your wrist. Yeah, the problem is I like the risk-reward. I just don't have quite the skill to back it up.
    114:38
    Joel, I'm going to give you a tip. Yeah. After you flip, drop your flipper. You hold it up too long, you lose balls that way. Okay.
    114:47
    Things to work on. Like you're following through like a baseball swing and keeping it back there. Drop it as soon as you've done it. Like Walt Wood. Dude.
    114:55
    Walt is incredible. The Doctor Who hero. Uh, Fark. Has somebody made that a TikTok video yet? Because that is... What's TikTok?
    115:12
    Us old guys like that. How many shots are in this mode, Ray? Right now you are on route two out of three with three shots to light big money. Oh, I could look at the screen, yeah. No! And the time machine actually counts as a shot, so... Which I was trying to aim for. The time machine basically almost always lit big money. All three. Jeez, OP. Those are falling apart, guys.
    115:42
    We got that figured out. That's three million. All right, one more. So I'm one more shot away. So if I can get...
    115:52
    Working man is lit. Let's actually hit that. There it is. Gotta hit some records, man. Yep. Nice. Now you can hit the spinner to battle light working man.
    116:07
    Oh, that's an interesting shot. Free record. No! Oh, no, that's where it hung up earlier. Oh, you know what's up? Oh, no. Free record. Well, you feel worth it, Ben.
    116:17
    It's by the ring shot target on Iron Maiden all over again. Oh, it's been up there for days. Come on! Is it counting? What's funny, I mean, it's giving me points, so we could just take the glass off and just hit whatever switches you think will get you that ball out of there.
    116:36
    Come on. I'd shake it. That's not fair. All right, there we go. Game three. Here we go. All right. Zach, not my fault, man. Not my fault. You know, that's just the game. Here we go. Showroom model. If you gave him the premium, this wouldn't happen. Yeah, if I would have unboxed you, you don't have those issues with your LE. Nope.
    116:59
    All right, what was it? It was stand up. Yep. And then left orbit. Catch that. Catch that? Oh, like that? No, no, no. When you post pass, let it create.
    117:19
    There's no point post passing when you hit it on the fly. Okay. I haven't unboxed my LE yet. Guys, feel bad. There it is. Feel bad for Zach. He doesn't have any room to set up his LE.
    117:34
    Oh, yeah. His barn isn't built yet. Is he building a barn? There's something. He called it a showroom. The way it was described, it sounds like a barn to me.
    117:45
    Upper loop. Yeah, there it is. There it is. Okay. I got to be lucky enough. Oh, yeah, you've got to hit the time machine. And don't hit the spinner on accident.
    117:57
    Keep in play. What happens if you hit the spinner? What's wrong with the spinner? It starts a new 1, 2, 3 combo. Oh, yes, yes, yes. There it is. Okay, cast in. So now what do I do? Far Cry. Far Cry, right? Stand up and scoop. Yeah, Far Cry. And then once you're in Far Cry, you can hold down the button for an add-a-ball. Okay, so I can't start Far Cry in this mode, though. Yeah, you can. Oh, yeah?
    118:28
    You've got to hit the Mournstraw target. Go for the ramp. Yeah, shoot. Aim the ramp. Oh, yeah. I love it. When you aim for targets, you just swish right by them. Just like that? Orbit and then ramp? Yeah.
    118:44
    Jeez. Been drilling those ramps all day. Spinner. There it is. And there we go. Oh, sweet. There we go. Ball one.
    118:57
    And there's my ramp. What? That's ramp accuracy. It's good. Come on. Backhand it. Oh, yeah. Bounce off into the scoop. Come on. What do you mean? Backhand the spinner.
    119:11
    Well, you need that green target. Yeah. There it is. Got it. And then just scoop the start, right? Yep. Yeah.
    119:22
    Hey, we're good. So what do I do, right? So now your button should be flashing green, right? Yep. So now at any time you can hold the button for add a ball. Got it. Okay, you're doing it now. You want that cheese, right?
    119:37
    You usually do it when you're down to one ball, but you're trying to get the cheese. But I haven't got any of my balls yet. But I should get it. There we go.
    119:45
    All right. Hey. I just wanted to get my achievement. That's a little banner. We can check that one out.
    119:51
    I smell banners. Hey, there's that achievement. We accomplished something, everybody. Five balls is a lot of balls.
    120:04
    There's 46 achievements on here, so you've got 45 more streams. Banners for days. It's going to be August, right, until the next start? So we've got some time. All right. Well, Joe called it. He's like, if I can get Working Man and a multi-ball. That's it. It's a great combo.
    120:23
    Well, Working Man's so good, there's so many shots left. Yeah. But I'm not hitting him right now. Oh, wow. That's it. We're okay. No, no. Stay in. Nice. Nudge. Don't tilt. Is there a ball? There we go.
    120:39
    Okay. Good ball. I'm going to get another combo track pot lit. Yeah, you want to go center ramp. I just started this. Oh, don't do it to my post.
    120:55
    Instrument timer is centered. What's going on right now, Ray? With the instruments. You must have a multiplier on one. Yeah, you got your spinner is at 20K a spin and your pop is at 30K a pop. You're actually probably close to headlong flight because you're... Oh, there that goes, right? Yes, very good job. That was ball one, guys. That was ball one. Things are happening. We say bloop because we prefer Microsoft. Whoa, what do we got? Ray Day's coming in here. Thank you. With the subs. Appreciate it, Ray.
    121:27
    All right. You got the achievement. Didn't I say I'd give you a... Oh, you're right. I need 11 million points. 11 million. If you mess up, don't put that in it. Come on. All right. I haven't even done my main hockey ball yet.
    121:52
    Get out of there. Nice, nice. All right, working man's still lit. I need four more hits to get this. it's 406 you're almost completing the mode it's 455 yeah he just needs to walk out on the left orbit oh no let's go ball three god Ray do a quick code update get bigger bonus there we go well if he would have shot the left orbit he would have I was right there Hey, skill shot. Soft climb skill shot. You're going to get three million here.
    122:34
    Oh, in and out. Let it drain. This is getting stressful. Welcome to watching these streams. Get the red skull on Mystery Castle. That's all I know.
    122:52
    Get it out of there. There we go. How many more? Two more. If I can get into that multiball. Oh, I don't like this feeling, guys. I don't like this feeling at all. It's a feeling of success. God.
    123:08
    Two more shots up the middle. What shot can you make here? What shot can you make? Can you hit the spinner?
    123:16
    Nope, I can hit that post right next to it, though. There we go. One more shot. Oh, you got your ball saved, too. Don't forget about your ball save. What do you mean I have my ball saved? On the out lanes. Oh, yeah, yeah.
    123:27
    Oh, come on. Come on, time machine. Just suck it up. Come on, Tin Monk. Suck up the... Does he make the shot? No, I just... I meant this one. This one he will. You can do it, Joel. Come on, Joel. Oh, that's all I need? Yeah, I just need Dennis. I'll show you the difference between learning what you're doing and just having a moment. Get the super jackpot. What? Yeah, get super jackpot. You get another two minutes.
    123:58
    Where's the super on the orbit? the time machine once you get it dark enough. Okay. One hundy, baby. One hundy. Replay.
    124:11
    I did it. We're at one of six. Out of banners. I have no more banners. It happened. Oh, God. Did we mention free delivery anywhere in the world?
    124:23
    Anywhere in the world. Oh, Lord. My heart. Holy crap. What's sad is people are stoked about 2 billion point games, and I'm sweating it over 100 million. Holy crap. But you know what?
    124:38
    The next time you play, you'll be like, okay, I'm going to go for 200. Yeah. Uh-oh. Oh, my God. Guess who just showed up in the chat here? Zach? No, Zach's here. Oh. Zach, you there? Don't say I'm still enthused, Dennis.
    124:54
    Oh, man. Free shipping anywhere in the world. That is so awesome. Even Antarctica, that's the one difference between flipping out and all the rest. I don't know, I hear CoinGiver gives free shipping to the moon. To the moon!
    125:09
    To the moon and back, diamond hands, baby. I don't even know what I'm doing right now. I just honestly can't believe you do this. Really? Joel, don't you feel like, okay, I'm getting better at the game now? Yes, I mean, I get it. But I'm telling you, there's something about, I mean, the three of you guys, all three good players telling me what to do, and it's like, I don't want to let you down. Plus 40-something people watching. Plus there's people on the line. There are people that have stayed and watching me flail around because they want to win a banner. And it's just like, jeez. The numbers were dropping off, Joel, while we were getting towards the end. But people have started to come back in to watch this, to watch the miracles. There's where I flipped away, right? There it is. It happened. Oh, no. I'll save it. Well, I'll save it. That's what happens. I flip away. Let me recap. Your skills didn't get better. You had the same skills when you started the stream, but now you have a little more knowledge, and you were more controlled. That is what being a good player is about, being controlled. How many times did you trap up? How many times did you post pass? Take accurate shots. That's the difference. Yeah. Banner. Click with purpose.
    126:16
    Yeah. Yeah, and my favorite part was when Zach came in and just said, you know, he didn't think this could happen never before. Has he seen so much from someone he thought so little of?
    126:30
    Mervin, sorry, man, this is too tense. All right, Zach, what are you thinking? What are you thinking? I just wanted to show everybody how easy it is to get such big engagement and excitement. All you got to do is have a bunch of friends and make it something exciting and give away something. It doesn't have to be $10,000 or $100,000. It's also going to be as a banner. It's a lot of fun.
    126:52
    Chase achievements, everybody. Stern, Insider Connected. Let's give away some banners. So, Joel, what we're going to do is, in chat, the first person who types in the correct answer is going to win the first banner and so on and so forth. The first question, oh, there's a two-parter there. You have to type in bye-bye-bye before your answer. That's it. If you type in hashtag bye-bye-bye, then the correct answer, you win a banner. It's as easy as that. Banner number one goes to the first person who can type into chat hashtag bye-bye-bye and the most recent George Gomez game that I purchased for my collection.
    127:32
    I know this answer. Let's see, guys. Can I type? There it is. It has to be the right model. It's got to be the right model. Oh. Well.
    127:42
    Oh, Pinmon's here. Thank you, Victor. I'm going to mess around with him. Throw a model on the end of that. Throw a model.
    127:50
    There it is. Frisco. Hottie. Hottie got it. Yeah. Damn, Hottie's probably going to buy a banner, too.
    128:04
    Beatles cuter. Why, why, why? Well done, Dennis. And special thanks to Pin Monk for these mods that really, I think, are credited for at least 5 million of those points. Well, yeah. So, Victor, I don't know how long you've been in here, but these inserts, if anybody owns a Rush, and I think, Jeff, you're going to buy these. Pin Monk. These inserts are legit. Whisper. But, yeah, we've been joking that any time the time machine sucks up the ball that that's a Pin Monk mod. So thank you for that as well, Victor. Yeah, thank you. All right, well done. Well done, Hottie.
    128:42
    Here we go. Banner giveaway number two. The first person to type into chat hashtag bye-bye-bye in the answer to this question wins.
    128:53
    What is the most recent game that I sold from my collection? And if we don't get any – John, I hope it's Popeye. Oh, stop. Cry, cry, cry, Popeye. Thank God.
    129:09
    In ten seconds, I'll give you guys the design. Bye-bye-bye, wife. What have you sold? Bye-bye-bye, Shadow. He sold his Shadow a long time ago.
    129:19
    Yeah, CNK. It's got to be something with an imperfection. Bye-bye-bye, Turtles. Bye-bye-bye, Batman LE. From his collection. It's something that Dennis Creasel would love and he would hate at the same time. World Challenge Soccer? No. Bye-bye-bye, Greg. Yeah, Shadow. The designer is also a little bit of an oddball here. The designer is, I'm going to say, Nordman-ish.
    129:47
    Heroes don't always wear capes. Okay, so it's got to be an older? Nordman-ish. What a trivia question. What did I do at my house that nobody knows? What is Nordman-ish mean? It'll make sense once somebody gets it right. The third question, what did I have for dinner tonight? Bye-bye-bye hard body extra sweaty edition, yeah.
    130:15
    Well, if I said Dave Sanders, it's a dead giveaway. Uh-oh. What did Dave Sanders? You had a full throttle?
    130:23
    Alien? Somebody write it. Type it in. Bye-bye-bye privacy. No, you got to say bye-bye-bye, CNK.
    130:31
    CNK. There it is. Tiny black dog. Bye-bye-bye alien. You sold it? Shouldn't it be sell, sell, sell? Sell, sell, sell. Zach, you had Alien for like 10 days.
    130:44
    Tiny Black Dog. Is that right? Episode 92. Yeah. Okay. So Tiny Black Dog, if you would private message me or email me at Zach, Z-A-C-H, at fliptheletterinoutpinball.com, or you can call me at 812-457-9711. If Joe was quicker, he would have already had that. Oh, yeah. Sorry. I think preferably. Yeah, I think Tiny Black Dog was on the Isle of Man. Everybody text that.
    131:09
    Yeah. Text that. I mean, anybody who says that, whoever texts that quick and says they're Tiny Black Dog, right? I mean, that's how that.
    131:17
    Yeah. Okay. Well done. Hottie with Frisco Pinball. Check him out on the Pinball Network every Tuesday night. No, Monday night. Monday night's Hottie. Check him out. And Tiny Black Dog, thanks for being here. That's awesome. Okay. Well, thank you, Zach. Thanks for, yeah. We got one more. Let's give away one more. Whoa, three. Okay. Don't forget about banner number three, the stealth banner. Let's just really piss off, Nicole. Okay.
    131:45
    People who drop it out. People dropped out early. Yeah, there we go. Number three. All right. This is improv, so I'm trying to think of something as fast as possible. Let's go with.
    131:57
    What size Jordans did I buy for Dennis? Okay. We'll do a little bit of that. Let's go with the first person to type in to chat, hashtag bye-bye-bye, with the correct colorway and model of Jordan that I bought for Dennis Creasel for Christmas. Oh, you said that. You said that. Do you even know Dennis? Do you know what you have?
    132:25
    No. He sold them so long ago. No. God, I would love to have those. I saw the picture, but I didn't know about those stupid shoes. Bye-bye, bye.
    132:38
    That's what he said. They were gray. What is it? Purple Carl Malone. Catapult. I love it. Oh, man. I just realized I have a hot pocket in the microwave that has been there for an hour and a half. I hope it wasn't running the whole time.
    132:59
    I'll tell you right now, Ray. If you bite into it, it'll still be lava. That's how hot they all get. I can't eat Hot Pockets. I lived on them for a semester in grad school, and they actually make me retch when I look at them now. I just realized.
    133:13
    White Air Force Ones. All right. None of you guys are going to get it. I'm actually – I have them right here. I am looking at them. They're on my little shelf. You have Hot Pockets? My shoe shelf. Oh, your shoe. I thought you were talking about Hot Pockets. No, yeah. No, the Hot Pockets are long gone, Joel. They would be Jordan 3 and Racer Blue color. Jordan 3. Oh, come on, guys. All right. I didn't know it was called Brace for the Blues. You got something else? I did remember they were Jordan 3. I got something else. All right. There we go. Next. I recently purchased another game, and this one is an Ellie.
    133:47
    And it's very similar in a lot of respects to this game. Excellent. Hashtag bye-bye-bye with the title and the L-E, I guess, of the game that I just purchased that's in route right now. Very similar to this game in a lot of ways. It's got to be Axeman. Bye-bye-bye Led Zeppelin. That's very similar, but, you know, somewhat similar. It's got the same designer. Same designer. John Borg designer.
    134:14
    Did you get a Tron? Is it better than Tron? Austin Powers. Um. Let's see all that John Borg love. John Borg. It is a big buck hunter.
    134:30
    No, no big buck hunter. Turtles LE. He already has that. I've already got that one. Aerosmith. Hobbit's third flipper. Kiss. Hobbit's third flipper. Best name on Twitch still. Turtles LE. He already has. See, this is my point. Borg.
    134:45
    This game is just wonderful. I know GLS loves it. Guardians. Maybe. maybe recently sold it. Did you get a Guardians? Did you get your Guardians premium that you've been wanting? Yes, you've had Guardians for a while. Yeah, I sold it for my rush. Bye-bye-bye, Munsters. That is Apollo 13. The answer is out there. There we go. Bye-bye-bye, Guardians of the Galaxy LE. We're going to give it to Blake in Wisconsin. But you got the premium, I'm assuming. Well, I get the LE. Oh, okay. There we go. Bye-bye-bye, Guardians of the Galaxy LE. Blake. He said he wanted a premium, and then he was going to do his, you know, powder coat it up. It wouldn't fit in the rest of the lineup. Well, it would have because it would have been more rare than an LH. I do things too much for him to make them more. The pose better.
    135:35
    No, you've got to have it. Pat likes his little tiny stubby T-Rex Groot arms. No, the key looks like getting in the way of the shots. Yep, he loves it. Full RGB. Because he doesn't play the score he plays for progress. The full RGB inserts is the big deal there. Absolutely. And the spinners is the big one. Yeah, but did you get your topper? And the three magnets under instead of the one? Come on. Did you get your topper? Hell, yeah, I got a topper.
    135:59
    Absolutely. All right. Thank you, Blake from Wisconsin. All you've got to do is email me at zagzach at fliptheletterinoutpinball.com, and give me all your information, and I will send that out. Credit card. You guys did phenomenal. Social security number. Joel, the hero, did it.
    136:15
    Nicely done. I mean, the bar is, compared to literally every other person streaming Rush right now, the bar was set low. But, hey, I have to say, I love streaming. And being able to stream and chat it up with other people is awesome. So the fact that Dennis, Jeff, and Ray hopped into chat, I mean, this has been an absolute blast. So thank you. Thank you for you three. And chat's been active all night. And, yeah, this was a lot of fun. I'm going to go get a Hot Pocket. Ray, dude, you got to. But you've got to go grab that hot pocket. That was a ham and cheese one, too. Right, you've got to get that hot pocket and let us know the internal temperature, you know, after an hour and a half of sitting there in your microwave. Joel, I'll let you close it down. Co-host, thank you so much for coming on and hanging out. Thanks, everybody.
    137:01
    Joel, why don't we – I'll talk to Stern and see if we can't – one week. We've got to give away a topper. What? Let's do a topper giveaway. Yeah, why not? Hey, I mean, I'm not going to stop you. Yeah. I'm going to stop you. You just dropped out. Okay. Sorry, everybody.
    137:30
    It was him and she. No, we didn't give away a topper. I think to myself, whenever you buy Stern products, such as a Stern topper, a Stern Ellie, what happens is you worry because you're like, oh, my God, I spent so much money on this. But unlike some other manufacturers just released pins that might drop thousands of dollars after a month, Stern Pinball products oftentimes go up. So we give away a topper, and it might be worth three times as much by Christmas. Let's go. Yeah. It would be cool. Let's do it. I'm not going to argue that. Hey, and if you're real smart and the winner of the topper happens to be somebody that has, like, six other Cerns, you pretty much see it's guaranteed that they're hooked and they're going to buy, you know, five of them. And if anybody is interested, this is my last plug. Anybody that is interested in a topper, even if the damn thing hasn't been released, all you have to do is email or text me at that number right there. Get on the interested list because I can tell you right now there are some toppers coming out from Stern Pinball that will make you guys want the damn machine, even if you don't like the machine itself, if you like toppers. It's just how big it is. It's nothing but toppers here at Flippin' Out Pinball. Thanks, you guys. Yeah, Dennis and Ray's got to eat that Hot Pocket. Jeff topped off. But, yeah, I really appreciate those three for being on. I love the dialogue and, yeah, thanks for chat. Thanks for watching me brick shots. But, hey, we pulled it out. We pulled it out in the end. So that worked out really well. So that was a lot of fun. And thank you, Zach, for donating and not only letting me borrow the game, but donating banners. That's pretty great. So raid time. Time to raid.
    138:55
    What do we got? Pinball Network. We're going to go to George. George is rocking. Top tier, Steven. Appreciate you, buddy. Pinmonk. Yeah, appreciate you, Victor. Yeah, thank you for everybody. And let's get going over there. So, raid pinball network. Bam.
    139:14
    All right. I think we're going. Nope. I went the wrong way. Raid slash. Did I go the right way? What am I doing?
    139:26
    No, come on. Oh, no. What am I doing? Sorry, everybody. We're trying. Raid. apparently I can't raid I don't know what's going on slash before raid oh I'm an idiot thank you hottie raid pen ball network there we go oh lord it's been a night my pulse is still going yeah try not to let everybody there we go it's going thank you everybody for being here have a great time with George and yeah thanks for all the support and I'll be streaming again next Wednesday on the pinball network so have a great night everybody we'll see you later