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We are Pinball WAP Episode #5 "AP deals! Pinside top 100! Pinball craziness and a new segment!"

We Are Pinball (WAP)·podcast_episode·1h 18m·analyzed·Jul 6, 2024
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TL;DR

WAP Episode 5: AP clearance deals, market concerns, Elton John unboxing, and Top 100 game rankings debut.

Summary

We Are Pinball Episode 5 covers American Pinball inventory clearance deals (Legends of Valhalla LE at $6,000), a new "Shit Don't Feel Right" segment addressing market concerns (Stern extending distributor payment terms, Haggis unrefundable deposits), Elton John CE unboxing with artist credits, and a new recurring segment rating Pinside's Top 100 games (Godzilla #1, Jurassic Park #2, Medieval Madness #3, etc.) with value assessment.

Key Claims

  • Legends of Valhalla Limited Edition available from Mad Pinball as low as $6,000 MSRP

    high confidence · Don: 'new in box, from the distributor, as low as maybe $6,000. Straight from Mad Pinball'

  • Stern extended distributor payment terms from 30 days to 90 days

    high confidence · Don citing Jason Knapp's reporting: 'what stern do now instead of distros having 30 days to pay off their games they are giving more credit so distros has 90 days'

  • Haggis Centaur has unrefundable deposits and company has gone radio silent

    high confidence · Genghis: 'people are angry people want their money back... people are attacking zach' regarding Haggis deposits

  • Venom LE machines showing on secondary market below $9,000

    high confidence · Genghis: 'They're showing up below $9,000 now' on Pinside listings

  • John Paul DeWin is the art director-animator for JJP who created Elton John CE artwork

    high confidence · Genghis: 'it was me with John Yowsey... John Paul DeWin. art director-animator for JJP' also did The Hobbit artwork

  • Iron Maiden Premium at $13,000 price point is not selling and still on distributor shelves

    high confidence · Genghis: 'The newest version for $13,000. Is it worth? No... It's still on distros in new boxes'

  • Medieval Madness Royal Edition still going for approximately $16,000

    medium confidence · Genghis: 'Royal Edition of Medieval Madness is still like $16,000 or something crazy'

  • Ametron (American Pinball parent) has an upcoming IPO in India

    medium confidence · Don speculating: 'So we know this IPO is coming up for Ametron in India. I've been scouring my Robinhood app'

Notable Quotes

  • “new in box, from the distributor, as low as maybe $6,000... I don't know what's going on at the house of Ametron, but they're shilling out the deals, and I ain't asking no questions, man.”

    Don @ ~3:00 — Signals major inventory clearance by American Pinball/Ametron, possibly related to upcoming IPO

  • “They're showing up below $9,000 now... You just does not feel right.”

    Genghis @ ~10:00 — Secondary market collapse for Stern LE machines (Venom LE)

  • “There is no reason to all this anger... I'm solidly on team Zach on this one man”

    Genghis @ ~14:30 — Defense of Zach (Flippin' Out distributor) regarding Haggis deposit disputes

  • “Absolutely... the game is absolutely astonishing to look at... Christopher Franchi, he just killed it... Did you know it wasn't Christopher Franchi that did the CE?”

    Genghis / Don @ ~22:00 — Correction on Elton John CE artwork attribution to John Paul DeWin

  • “Not from me, man. I'm not a Deadpool guy... I like it about as much as I like Bond or like Batman 66... I don't want to own it.”

    Don @ ~45:00 — Critical assessment of Deadpool (Stern) not deserving #5 ranking

  • “Layout is great, gameplay is fun... if you hate the music then it's just like an okay pin. But if you like them at least a little bit... Man that's great”

    Genghis @ ~50:00 — Iron Maiden assessed as music-dependent game value

  • “Medieval Madness is still kind of just in it's own hype... It's a great game. But like to put it up against a modern game I don't know”

    Don @ ~35:00 — Challenges Medieval Madness #3 ranking on Pinside Top 100

  • “The powder coat is doo-doo brown. What were they doing, man?”

    Genghis @ ~42:00 — Criticism of Iron Maiden Premium aesthetic choices

Entities

American PinballcompanyAmetroncompanyMad PinballcompanyJeff CernavapersonLegends of ValhallagameHaggis PinballcompanyZach MinneypersonElton Johngame

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Haggis Pinball operational crisis: unrefundable deposits ($1k+ on Centaur), radio silence, high-priced variants ($17k Oblivion Edition) creating customer anger

    high · Genghis: 'people are angry people want their money back... it's under this section that doesn't feel right'

  • ?

    business_signal: American Pinball/Ametron aggressive inventory clearance (LoV LE at $6k, below historical pricing) possibly related to upcoming IPO timing

    medium · Don speculates: 'they're trying to show just some sales numbers before the IPO comes out... goose the numbers... clear out the factory'

  • ?

    community_signal: Strong grassroots engagement with WAP brand: sticker orders, custom t-shirt demand, listener mail praising podcast quality

    high · Don: 'people are sending pictures of their game rooms with WAP pictures... Since I got the stickers in, every time somebody orders something... I'm stuffing them envelopes'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Medieval Madness ranked #3 on Pinside Top 100 criticized by hosts as overvalued; limited gameplay depth relative to modern games

    medium · Don: 'Medieval Madness is still kind of just in it's own hype... to put it up against a modern game I don't know... It's top 30 for me'

  • $

    market_signal: CGC remaking classic Williams games (Medieval Madness, Attack from Mars) in SE Plus format with toppers; demand-driven production

    medium · Genghis: 'CGC, they just call it SE Plus and put on the topper... if there's demand, they will just build it'

Transcript

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0:00
I'm hype bring it How is it episode 5 already that's crazy man killing it on the WAP. We are pinball. We are two guys. We are pleasant to look at, sultry to listen to, and we might even be a little bit squeezable, too, if you get to know us better.
0:40
I'm telling you, the response, I mean, the love, the response, the positivity, I'm just loving this, man. Brad, I just saw his writing here that he just loves what we're doing. We're killing it, as he says. I mean, so much positivity. So many people, I don't know if you have sent the stickers or if they just printed out our logo, but people are sending pictures of their game rooms with WAP pictures. Isn't that cool? Since I got the stickers in, every time somebody orders something, wins something, I'm stuffing them envelopes, man. I'm putting them in there. So they're getting out there. We're going to get a WAP sticker on the Great Wall of China next. It's so cool, man. Also, also T-shirts. What's going on, everybody? I mean, the t-shirt orders, I'm so thankful. I mean, the support is crazy. How hilarious is it going to be seeing people walking around a pinball convention with a shirt just that says WAP and big, drippy letters?
1:39
Oh, yeah! It's going to make this all worth it. These positive vibes are only going to encourage us, too, so jokes on them. This kind of support, it's just crazy, man. I'm loving it. So we're just going to hit it. Yeah. We're going to start with something from American Pinball. Hot off the press. Hit it. Hit this. People need to know this. Fresh from Mad Pinball is Word.
2:10
Oh, man, I don't want to vibe with that music. So if you want to get yourself a new in-box Legends of Valhalla LE. Great game. It's probably my favorite American Pinball game, honestly. Great music. They are coming out with some crazy deal right now. We thought the 4th of July $500 off all new in box was good. No, I'm hearing that this game, new in box, from the distributor, as low as maybe $6,000. What?
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Iron Maiden Legacy of the Beastgame
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  • $

    market_signal: Stern extending distributor payment terms from 30 to 90 days, indicating cash flow pressure on distribution partners

    high · Don citing Jason Knapp: 'instead of distros having 30 days to pay off their games they are giving more credit so distros has 90 days'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: John Paul DeWin credited as JJP art director-animator for Elton John CE and The Hobbit, not Christopher Franchi (who did Premium)

    high · Genghis: 'it was me with John Yowsey... John Paul DeWin. art director-animator for JJP... also did The Hobbit'

  • $

    market_signal: Multiple LE and Premium machines not selling at MSRP; Venom LE dropped from $12,999 to below $9,000 on secondary market; Iron Maiden Premium at $13k still on distributor shelves

    high · Genghis: 'They're showing up below $9,000 now' and 'It's still on distros in new boxes'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Elton John (JJP) offers distinct artwork on CE vs Premium versions; different artists assigned to different editions

    high · Discussion of Christopher Franchi Premium vs John Paul DeWin CE artwork; hosts speculate on production pipeline reasoning

  • ?

    product_concern: Iron Maiden Premium criticized for 'doo-doo brown' powder coat aesthetic; $13k price point not justified by market reception

    medium · Genghis: 'The powder coat is doo-doo brown. What were they doing, man?... It doesn't sell'

    • 2:39
    Straight from Mad Pinball. I don't know what's going on at the house of Ametron, but they're shilling out the deals, and I ain't asking no questions, man. just hit up Mad Pinball 6,000 MSRP for the limited edition of an awesome game. It's cheaper than a Stern Pro. It's crazy. Buy this pin. It's the limited edition. It's such a great pin, great shots, and the music, the music package. It's awesome. The code is awesome. There's magnets in it, you know? I mean, it's an original theme, right? It's not Jaws. It's not Godzilla. But dang, if it doesn't shoot well, And how about the animations? The animations at least make sense. They're cohesive. They're at a quality level that I appreciate. I'm still hoping that the Berrios BBQ animations are just early code and those will improve because they're all over the map as far as quality-wise, what they're trying to convey story-wise. I don't know. But this Riot pinball design game is cohesive. It's got a good package. You could do a lot worse new in box than this game. I mean, it's not Godzilla. No. it's not Jaws, no, but it's Vikings. How cool is that? I mean... It's Vikings, man. Donnie, I don't know how much time you have had with Legends of Valhalla. I have played it because of the rock music. I mean, you know me. Autopackage, it's just so... Absolutely.
    4:04
    I'm telling you, that game, you just get emerged in that Viking and Odin's hammer that knocks down on the limited edition the ship where you lock the ball to match it just at the ship entrance that just throws the ball. The mirror back glass? Yeah, yeah. This is like throwback pricing, you know? Yeah. That's amazing. $6,000. What's their thing about this? $6,000 MSRP. I don't know. I know that they're – Why are they doing this move? Let me hear your thoughts. I don't know for sure. So that leads me to speculation. So let's go at it, right? So we know this IPO is coming up for Ametron in India. I've been scouring my Robinhood app, see if there's a way that I can get in on this thing. So maybe are they trying to show just some sales numbers before the IPO comes out and show like, hey, look what we made this quarter. Let's goose the numbers. Let's clear out the factory. We've got Cuphead coming down the line. We've got to clear all this inventory out. Maybe it's a mixture of all that. Purely speculation, but that would make sense to me. I mean, I think it's their greatest game I hope after People after listening to this I hope they will jump on this game I hope they will contact your dear friend What's his name from Mad Pinball? Jeff, Jeff Cernava Let him serenade you with these deals I hope they will contact Jeff of Mad Pinball Or Corbin at MadPinball.com Yeah, that's crazy In this climate You could do a lot worse Mirrored Backglass? Come on Come on. Talking about this climate, we have this new section that's called Shit Don't Feel Right. Okay.
    5:58
    This is our new section. Okay. I love we have a segment. Feels like they want to clear out the other thing. But there is more about shit don't feel right. Okay. So finally, Stern can feel the heat. We love Stern. Love Stern. Nothing bad, but they can feel the heat. I just want to put this out there at the shit don't feel right section that I've read at Jason Knapp's page. Now, we are not going to just go and read Jason Knapp and talk about Knapp's news as a lot of other people does. That's like 90% of my content. and harmony yeah and to be honest if you can read and you enter jason knapp's page you don't need nothing else i mean he's just out there all the news are there great great page but at jason page he writes that stern is doing something good for the distros now we have been talking about all new in box games should cost maximum 10k right i love that yeah yeah not more so so that means we need some price reduction we just need that okay but what are stern doing now instead of distros having 30 days to pay off their games they are giving more credit so distros has 90 days to pay for their games i like that yeah i mean stern is trying they're reaching i know i know this shit doesn't feel right. Don't feel right.
    7:37
    It's a start, Tony. Yeah. In between the lines, they're just moving this headache to the distros. Right? Now some distros will say, okay, I have 90 days to liquidate these 10 games I just ordered and I can get the money and I can pay without something coming out of my pocket. It's a good start. if this works, if this reboots, I would be happy. I think you will also be happy. I mean, they're trying. Right? Isn't this good? The other thing they need to do is, and I think some of this is going on already, but allow the distros to wheel and deal a little bit. You know, you got a game that's hanging on, it's not moving. Maybe cut back a little bit on that price, make a deal, get the game out of there, get some cash in your pocket, and then keep moving forward. Yeah. I mean, they should Cut the distros some slack and say, okay, you have these Venom LEs. If you want to cut 1,000 off there, you don't need to advertise the box was open. Dude, I was just on Pinside looking at Venom LE because I'm warming back up to that game again. And right next to the distro ads for $12,999 is another ad loaded with mods, $87.50 or best offer. That's not even worth the cost of posting the ad on Pinside. That's not going to sell. For the LE? LE, yeah.
    9:04
    They're showing up below $9,000 now. Oh, my God. I'm telling you. It just does not feel right. You know what I mean about it. So in this section, let's continue. Let's continue on this. because haggis we have to talk about haggis oh god let's do it i can't wait unrefundable deposit it's out there it's out there it's under this section that doesn't feel right so people are angry people want their money back zach from flipping out is the u.s distro people are attacking zach and zach just made a show and i think i think on this show we can talk about zach show uh tp Absolutely Yeah yeah okay okay I mean he's the biggest pinball podcaster So I hope it's okay We talk about on other podcasts also So he just made this show And he said chill out everybody If something happens Zach Will pay people their deposit back So there is no reason To all this anger Just take it easy I'm solidly on team Zach on this one man Now listen Listen, there was no way that anybody put down $1,000 on Centaur from Haggis and didn't realize the huge risk that they were taking at this point. I mean, come on. Fathom will give you a pass because there was a lot of talk. We're going to be transparent. We're going to have videos and everything. And then they went radio silent. And then games just skipped deadline after deadline after deadline. But seeing that and knowing that this company even exists in Australia and that they're bringing out Centaur and even knowing what that is, it means that you're paying attention at least. You've got to know, all right, there's a chance I'm never going to see this again. Or if I do, it's going to be not quick to get it back. So it's not like I'm blaming the victims here, but you had to know that the risk was coming, man. I mean, just don't blame Zack. It's not Zack's fault that Haggis has gone radio silent. $17,000 Oblivion Edition with a leather jacket. That's maniac crazy person talk. What the hell kind of sense does that make?
    11:23
    You know, that's as bad as GTF for $17,000. But the Signature Edition for $17,000? I know. It's crazy, man. And, like, they were advertising it as if you get the Signature Edition, not only do you get the lunchbox, but you get the exclusive thermos. And I'm like, a thermos ain't worth $6,000. What am I missing here? Yeah, that's some shit don't feel right. What's going on here, man?
    11:52
    It's our new section here on episode five. So, yeah, the deluxe edition should have been the top-end edition. Okay, then maybe you get away with it. But the deluxe looks the same. It just has the signatures. You get the thermos. It's bonkers. It doesn't make sense. $6,000 thermos? What are we doing? What are we talking about here? I better be able to get inside that tank and live in it rent-free. what am i missing okay we are done with that section let's jump over to the next one so that was a couple of days ago i unboxed elton john from jersey jack this time not the limited but the collector's edition did you watch the video oh you watched the video absolutely I felt like I was there. So Don watched the video. It was so cool because I uploaded the video and I just, you know, laying on my couch, just chilling out, 11 o'clock. It's late here in Denmark. And then all of a sudden I'm getting these pictures from Don on a big screen in the hospital and he's taking out my unboxing video. It was so cool. I showed my phone to the people I was with. I was like, look at this. I'm in the U.S. On the screen there. On the big screen. So the game is absolutely astonishing to look at. And in that video, Don, I said, oh, my God, this collector's edition artwork, Christopher Franchi, he just killed it. Oh, you didn't say that, did you? I said that. Did you know it wasn't Christopher Franchi that did the CE? You knew that? I did know that, yes. Oh, I didn't. It's odd that he makes the premium and not the platinum and not the CE. I thought it was just the same, but I got corrected. I don't know for sure, but I think originally he was doing both, and then something happened. I don't know if they promised it to two different people, and this is how they compromised. I don't know. So on that video, a guy called, with a username. Do you know the artwork, who the guy was that made the collector's edition? I do not have that committed to memory, but I can look it up. So I got some messages, and then it says, FYI, the CE cabinet design was not done by Christopher Frenchy. And I was like, oh, who then? And he says, it was me with John Yowsey. Oh, dude. Yeah, didn't he do Halloween too? Oh, give me some more info. I want to add this on our We Are Pinball episode 5. And he says, it's John Paul DeWin. Did you know that? So it's this guy that made the art. So the art on the CE version of Elton John is John Paul DeWin, art director-animator for JJP. And then he also says that he also did the art on The Hobbit, which has beautiful art also. So I'm a huge fan of Jean-Paul DeWitt's art. Oh, my God. So I'm so sorry I said that it was Christopher Frenchy, but I think both games has got beautiful art. I mean, wow, man. I love the CE play field with Elton John in the Dodgers outfit. I like that so much better than the feather boa one, the Vegas showgirl outfit. the game shoots as fine as the other one beautiful game wow man i'm really enjoying it so if you guys are interested check out my video retro django elton john ce on boxing so yeah other than that our t-shirts when you write because people have been writing to we are pinball.com yeah and we don't get that mail we are i don't get that mail so people has writing to me on retro django like Dude, why aren't you guys answering? We want some t-shirts. And I'm like, okay, okay. Again, wearepinball69gmail.com. You have to include 69. Who ran out and got that wearepinball at Gmail address? Because we were only talking about it for a couple of days. Somebody was listening. And then now they're sitting there. What are they just giggling watching emails come in? I don't get it. yeah i mean we we should have taken that three days earlier but we didn't and somebody really likes the name it is what it is it's okay no negativity here but yeah when you want to have some t-shirts it's we are pinball 69 gmail.com that's i'll put you on the list yeah yeah you can get on the list and the t-shirts are beautiful and donnie we're we're getting mails man for example let me i'm just going to read one of them okay oh let me see here chris k do you know him it sounds familiar chris k on pinsight cnk on pinsight so listen to this don and jeng is i'm all caught up on your wap episodes and i'm and i must say i enjoyed it very much thank you for all you do thank you back chris and then he says found some dream debates and let me see oh he writes something about spooky that i can't share yeah i can't share that and buck replied no i can't share that oh man secret info you're holding out yeah it's it's it's yeah Yeah, he just says so cool stuff. Now, Genghis, listen to episode 1.11. You seem one heck of a nice guy. Don't give that pinball herpes. Oh, pinball herpes. Pinball herpes! another chance you have been down that road on your youtube videos and see how that worked out he's truly chucks it to the core maybe you can get an rx from a doctor and get your fun mojo back Looks like you're on your right path On WAP with Don What's Rx? Oh, it's a prescription This is a What does it do? It's a medication you have to get from a doctor Nothing you can buy over the counter Oh, okay So he talks about Canada I know you don't want to talk about Canada Oh, I'm fine talking about it I mean I have nothing about Kaneda but I'm getting you're also getting these clips that he's still talking bad about us and I don't understand why wish him nothing but the best yeah we wish him the best yeah that's it no hate no nothing Kaneda do what you do and no negativity he's I got this message that he's calling you and me the B word oh right that seems appropriate and well balanced love peace and harmony nothing more about that So people let just talk positive positive But this CN guy Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. He said something more here. Sorry, man. If you ever need a down-to-earth guy that likes to talk pinball silly, maybe give Orbital Albert a buzz. Oh, gosh. That would be fun. He could use friends.
    20:00
    Oh, is that the Stern pin guy? Shout out to Orby, yeah. That's the angry guy, right? I think he got more exposure than Kaneda could get in six months just with that one expletive-laden rant against Stern pinball. Wow. I got a link to that show. I listened to it, and he was very, very angry. I gotta text him and see how he's doing actually I listened to another show of his and I did enjoy some of it until he started saying that all of his he did was just for fun and Don didn't understand it, it was just for fun Don didn't get it and then he said some negative stuff about you Don and then I just stop listening to it.
    20:55
    That's not a way to make friends and influence enemies. We want no enemies, right? Nothing like that. But yeah, love, peace, and harmony to Albert also. Just chill out.
    21:09
    Donnie, he says it was all for fun. Sure. You don't get it. He says you don't get it. Apparently. Now, if somebody wants to start some WWE-style beef, If I'm down, just let me in on it. Let me know so I can play along. Let's build up this rivalry, brother.
    21:27
    No, no. We want no beef. Love, peace, and harmony to... Bring it into the ring, brother. No, man. We want nothing like that. We just want love and peace to Orbital... What was it? Albert. Orbital Albert. And peace, love, and harmony to Canada Chris. And that's it. Okay. We're going to spread the message of the Dawn World Order.
    21:53
    I'm all in on this, man. I'm going to have a wrestling-themed week. I got the update. It's on its way. It may be here by end of day. Maybe. So it's soon. Soon that golden Hulk Hogan autographed machine that everybody loves to hate, probably for valid reasons, will be unboxed, and I'm going to play the ever-loving hell out of it. so last time we talked about all jjp games this time we should talk about another company do that no i mean it's so sad it's so sad for don because i don't tell don what we are going to do on these shows and he's not he's not prepared the reason i'm doing it this way is i want don to be you know non-prepared and just his honest first thinking reaction i love it questions. I prefer this. You got this game and I'm so happy for you. You'll get it. A few days ago, I unboxed the CE version. And next week, if everything works out, I will unbox the first JJP pinball machine in Scandinavia.
    22:59
    It's going to be so cool. Wait, wait, wait. You didn't mean spooky. You said JJP again. Oh, I'm so sorry. I mean JJP pinball. The Danish debut of spooky pinball. Oh, I'm going to unbox it. I'm going to smell the – is it from Wisconsin? Oh, yeah. It's full of Wisconsin air, man. Breathe it in. Wisconsin air. It smells exactly like the factory there. It's crazy. Oh, my God. I'm really, really looking forward to it. Okay. So we should talk about all spooky pinballs on this show. But no. We're going to take that on episode six. Okay. Oh, because then we can talk about Looney Tunes. on this one we're gonna talk about pain side top 100 and we're gonna rate top 20 and each show we're gonna rate the next 20 and the next 20 and the next 20 and the way we do it is we're just gonna start what from number one uh-huh and go downwards and then i'm gonna ask you is this game good enough worthy enough to be rated as number one plus is it good enough bang for your buck does it deserve this much money this is how we're gonna do we're not going to go into how is the shots blah blah blah these two questions okay you're not prepared no i didn't share that with you okay so we're just gonna jump into it love it at number one we have got godzilla does Godzilla deserve number one spot on pin side? Absolutely. Depth of code doesn't really get old. A lot of stuff to do and it's not incredibly overpriced. Especially right now. Yeah, that's solid. I fully agree with you. That's the number one pin. I love it. If you were going to go buy your first pin and that was it, great choice. Yeah, you're a lucky guy. You're a lucky guy. If you have one pin in your house get the gonzola it's awesome man that shit feels right yeah next question so the premium goes for about eight five yeah is it worth that money it is to the person that bought mine for eight five yeah yeah yeah it's worth the money i mean wow absolutely it's perfect located it there number two stern jurassic park number two does it deserve number two i think there's games i'd rather play more than jurassic park i get exactly it's fine it's fine it's good but not number two fine no yeah so is it better than iron maiden it's probably about the same Our made is much better, man. The price. Let's talk about the price.
    25:51
    Let's talk about the newest version for $13,000. Is it worth? No. Get out of here. It doesn't sell. It's still on distros in new boxes. The powder coat is doo-doo brown. What were they doing, man?
    26:05
    All right. Oh, Donnie, Donnie. We're also getting messages because people are saying we're laughing a lot when we're making these shows. and they want us to film while we're doing this. So we need to. Next time, let's episode six. Audio. So you can see how we do this. Yes. I'll have to put a shirt on, but, yeah, I think we can do that.
    26:33
    All right. Oh, Tony. Next game, number three on the list, an old game. Medieval Madness doesn't deserve number three. It's top 20 I mean It's kind of like just in it's own hype It's a great game But like to put it up against Like a modern game I don't know It's top 20 I don't know if I'd put it number 3 For me it's top 30 I mean left ramp right ramp Hit the castle hit the castle That's it yeah And you You have to hit the ramp 3 times Left ramp 3 times and the loops, and then you're done with them, and then you need to bash the castle. Bash, bash, bash, bash. I'm so tired of it. No. Does it deserve to cost that much money? Ooh, have you seen how much the Royal Edition is still going for? Prices came down on everything, but a Royal Edition of Medieval Madness is still like $16,000 or something crazy. Crazy! It's not worth it. Like, like, no way in hell. Do you think it's worth it? I don't know. No, not that. No, for sure not that. But what about CGC is supposed to be remaking more of these later this year? They should remake them January 2023. They should come out. How much are they? And which version are they doing? I don't know. Royal Edition probably. Wasn't that limited?
    28:04
    If it's got the topper. CGC, they just call it SE Plus and put on the topper. I mean, if there's demand, they will just build it. SE plus. Plus. Yeah. Extra, extra plus. Okay, game number four. Let's do it. Attack from Mars. Yeah. Okay, I think I like this better than Medieval Madness, actually. Me too. Yeah. Me too. Absolutely. It's more fun. Can I explain why? Yes. Because it's, again, left-brain, right-brain, orbit, and a bad toy. But I don't know. It's more fun. How much do they go for? It's got the Arnold voice. Yeah. I just played one of their top-end editions that CGC just remade down in Florida, and I've got to say, the game is awesome, man. Yeah. Like, just pinball satisfaction, easy to score a billion points. It's fun. When you plunge, you score a billion points. Yeah. I feel good about myself. I'm hitting Martians. Yeah. It's funny. I love it. Yeah. Game number five on the list, Deadpool from Stern. What do you think about Deadpool? Does it deserve to get number five on this list? Not from me, man. I'm not a Deadpool guy. As far as like the – I love Deadpool. I love the movies. I love the character. This game, I like it okay. But I like it about as much as I like Bond or like Batman 66. Like it's fun to play on location. I don't want to own it. What? Do you like it as much as you like Batman 66? Well, no. Okay, that was pretty harsh. I like it better than that. It's evil.
    29:34
    It doesn't have a lot of ramp satisfaction for me. I don't know what it is. How about the katana shot? If you can make it, yeah, it's fun. But oftentimes on location, I rip it up the play field, and it doesn't quite make it up there. I guess if it's dialed in good, it'd be playing good. I do like the orbit. I like the premium with the disco ball and the extra little ramp, even though it doesn't really make any sense why it's there. It just puts it up on the katana and then drops it right down. What's the point of that? oh i i love it when the disco disco music starts i don't know it's uh the early i'm playing my my brother has has put dialed that game i mean he he has these digital uh what's it called where you measure meant a level in english yeah yeah digital leveling at 7.5 and you know just in level um horizontally and it shoots perfect that katana is perfect and my son really likes the theme the music the humor the humor is great the callouts are great the modes are funny i like that um i think it's an awesome game don i like it the price are they uh here in here in europe they're for sale everywhere they're not they're not it's not an expensive pin here i don't know the market in The U.S., do they cost like $16,000? So they're still making them. They're still going to do more runs of them. So you can get a new one boxed for MSRP. Yeah, okay. I'm checking. I got it up right here. So here, Deadpool Pro, $5,800. $7,000 or best offer with a topper. $6,100 OBO. So, yeah, the pros are holding at $6,000. How about premium? How about the LEs? Is there an LE for sale? Let's look. I got it up right here. Yes, there's – oh, my God. Ontario, Canada $19,500 that's got to be Canadian but that's still like $15,000 and there's only one so I can't say that's a bad price because there's only one up there just get the premium just buy a new box premium then that seems a little odd that's odd alright so that was number 5 I liked it Paul number 6 Iron Maiden Legacy of the Beast from Stern Does it deserve number 6 location? Yeah if you like the music Hell yeah Layout is great, gameplay is fun It's easy to understand A lot of things to do, some cool little things But then like if you hate the music Then it's just like an okay pin But if you like them at least a little bit Man that's great I bought one, I loved it You need to have that 80's rock Music vibing Run to the hills I like that white man came to the sea oh I love that song I love that game it's good cheese man I love it and the premium with like the Egyptian logos and all of the yeah with the yellow sides on the premium wow what a beautiful game man I love it bang for buck you can have them for new so it's ok I think 8200 I sold my premium for and that was going right so that's a good game for that kind of money. So, bank of luck, hell yeah. So, Elvira's House of Horrors. What do you think about that? Number eight. Love me some Elvira House of Horrors. The only game I've owned two of them. I got the Bloodbred Kiss behind me now. Had a premium before that. Fun game. Kooky. Love it. It's parked next to Munsters. It's fun. It's two flippers, right? But, like, there's some fun mechanistically things going on there with the crypt and whatever. it looks like just a big open layout but the code is surprisingly nuanced there's a lot of cool modes and things that happen you know you're playing halfway through the game and all of a sudden like a house party erupts and a surprise multi-ball and like crazy stuff's happening you know and all the different modes are just like really there's secret ones that you can get Santa Claus saves Earth from the Martians or whatever it's super fun and then you fill up that Gappa Angry meter and then you go into the Gappa mode out of nowhere and it's just like so much like surprises are coming with that game man it's awesome you sold your normal one and you bought this black and white edition absolutely i wasn't gonna i didn't want to sell my normal one and then the black and white came out and i'm like okay if i sell this one i can get that one okay let's do it and yeah we need to make a shout out to your friend brad he says you guys are killing it love it oh my god messages like Thank you, brother. Thank you. Keep them coming. Yeah, it's so beautiful. Killing it.
    34:14
    Okay, yeah, I love Elvira. No doubt about it. The price was a bit, I mean, it was high price, but not anymore after they remade, remade, remade 64 different versions, so it's not expensive anymore. Okay, number nine. Yeah, the Big Lebowski. Okay, all right. Number nine, Dutch Pinball 2016. Good spot for it. I do. Got the Doobie mod in there. What do you think about number nine? With the upgraded audio package, it's a fun game. Everybody that comes over loves playing it. It's still kind of rare. You don't see them all that often. I got a good version of it. It's got some, like, 90s kind of play style, but, you know, done in a modern way. That bowling alley underneath the play field is just nuts. You can go up there and just play 10 frames of bowling, and that's it, and it's still fun. And it's 400 pounds. It's nuts, man. It's awesome, man. I think at number nine, it deserves that place because I love that pin. I love the humor, but you have to like the movie. You have to like the humor, right, to be in that. Can you imagine playing this game if you've never seen the movie?
    35:27
    It'd be the most confusing thing. Like, what is even happening here? Oh, Jesus, you said it, man. It's so good. I love that game, man. Way back, yeah. The prize, they go for what, 13, 12, 13? 12, yeah. Yeah, right around there. They're still making the last few, and then that's going to be it. So I think it's still a game that's going to have a little bit of cachet and will hold some value even in these times. Nice. Next game, man, I love Big Lebowski. Next game, number 10. Yeah. It's Twilight Zone from 1993.
    36:04
    Number 10, what do you think about that? I mean, so this game is also fueled a lot by its own hype, but for good reason. Look at how many, there's like 47 mechanisms in this freaking game. It's a wide body. You know, I think, you know, Medieval Madness is a bit inflated just because of the hype, but Twilight Zone really kind of deserves it. It's probably the most bang for buck loaded game to come out of that 90s cohort. And whoever's remaking this game, you have to have a separate black and white edition where all the plastics and the toys and the graphics are just black and white like the show.
    36:40
    Put in one of those Pedretti horizontal LCD screens like they put on the Funhaus remake so we could have like some cool graphics up there, like a little 2.0 code. Just put that in there too as an option.
    36:53
    I mean all these old Billy Williams games that everybody loves. I think it was Keith Elwin that said all Billy Williams games, If you want to make points, you just need to go after one thing on all of them, and that's getting to multiple and score some points. That's it. So they're just pretty simple compared to, yeah, today's games, right? Right. So it would be a great idea to have a 2.0 kit and upgrade them. Absolutely. What do they go for? I mean, if they are pimped out. This had to be all over the place. at COVID times, they sold for like $20,000. I don't think they do that anymore, but it all depends on the condition. If condition is king, it's $50,000. If it's a beat-em-up game, it's what, $8,000. So it's really hard with these old games. It's all about the condition, the cosmetic looks. So yeah, number 10, it's a great pin, man. I love it. I got $9,000 to $14,000. Okay, there we go It's not deflated Crazy prices anymore That's cool Number 11, Foo Fighters I love this game I think Foo Fighters should be high up What do you think? I like it, interesting shots The code is a bit formulaic And I say that as somebody who likes monsters I can't really complain there Fun game, I played like 700 games on it when I owned it I've sold it Do you think they have put newer codes in there Since you have sold your Yeah so when the topper came out There was new code with a ton more call outs So I haven't got to play it a whole lot With all of that So I think it's getting there A great first effort for a cornerstone from Jack Danger Really want to see what he's got next coming I can't wait I think it should be higher up than number 11 That's how I feel Bang for your buck It's a cheap pin I've seen the new inbox For sale on Pinsight The early version I seen them for new in box guys For which version For the limited edition. What?
    39:15
    Yes. How come I look up Foo Fighter and nothing shows up? But I'd have to type in Foo Fighters? Oh, come on, Pinside.
    39:23
    Yeah, so the LE, I don't know that it really comes with all that much that you don't get in the premium. And I powder-coated mine, I had basically the same game. You get the lights, I guess. beautiful green powder coat they're using. I like it. 11.5, 11.5. 23,000 or best offer? What the hell is this? Oh, it's a Foo Fighters LE and a James Bond LE, a package deal. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Who's doing that? Must be a dealer. That's some dealer business there.
    39:49
    The box was opened. You got to take this Bond LE too. Yeah. Okay, number 12, Jaws. I'm so happy. I'm so happy that we got a new game from Stern, which is John Wick, that we don't need to talk that much about Jaws anymore. I mean, it's not the new game anymore. Because Jaws is well-designed. It shoots great. The code in Jaws is absolutely amazing. But the theme, I hate it. So for me, no. You're just a little man-baby afraid of sharks. That's why you hate it. So this game should be where Jurassic Park is, I think. I like this game better than Jurassic Park. I like it better than Iron Maiden. I want to see Jaws climb up that list for sure. Yeah. I think many people feel the way you do. Yeah. And I think it's just a matter of time. All the owners feel that way. Look at the code. I watched five minutes of Joel's video where he was playing together with his brother, and he had Elizabeth, the coder of the game, she was on there explaining,
    40:55
    I'm about to hit mid-40s soon. I was so confused. It had so much coding included. Oh, yeah. I mean, a few years back when I tried Godzilla, every time we got a code update, I was into it. More code, more deep, more deep. I loved it. But right now, it was too much for me, then I just skipped to another video. I love you, Joel, but it was just too much code for me. This code is as deep as a Cape Cod harbor. Yeah, and if you guys love deep code, get Joel's. It's incredible. and shots on layout. I love it, man. Wow. They got all the movie assets.
    41:32
    Yeah. The theme is just nothing for me. I watched that movie when I was four or something, and I have shark phobia, so it is what it is. Watch it again now.
    41:44
    Yeah, yeah. I should probably re-watch it now, but I don't know, man. As a film, it's fantastic. The shark only exists so that these characters can have something to do. It's a movie about these characters. The shark is background to the whole thing.
    42:00
    I will give it a chance. Give it a chance, yeah. Absolutely, man. It's a good film. I will give it a chance. I unboxed it. I played it. I reviewed it. I loved it. Don't get me wrong. I'm saying nothing wrong. I mean, it's my favorite designer that designed it, so nothing bad. But it was just the theme. Yeah. If you like deep code and great shots, oh, my. Code on that game. Go and watch. Joel's videos, are they on Flippin' Out channel or TPN? I know they're on Twitch. They might be on his YouTube channel too. What's it called on YouTube? Flippin' Out with Friends, right? Okay, Flippin' Out with Friends. Joel and his brother, I mean, go in and watch his gameplay videos. They are absolutely amazing.
    42:43
    All right. Number 13. Okay, are you sitting down? Yes, you're sitting down. Number 13 on this list. Lord of the Rings.
    42:53
    Should it be higher up? Lower. It's, like, I get it. It's one of the coolest themed games of its era. It's just, I don't know.
    43:06
    I like it a little bit more than Batman Dark Knight. It's got the same little upper play field rollover targets. It's got a Balrog. I love the towers, how they knock back and forth. Shooting the ring is fun, so it's good. I think it's just blown up by so much hype. It goes for a lot of money. I don't think the value is there. I'd rather play Attack from Mars.
    43:29
    I mean, I fully get what you mean. This game is number one game for many people that played it back then, that owns it today. So at number 13, first of all, does it deserve that place? No. It doesn't. It should be lower. But the gameplay is cool. My issue with Lord of the Rings is here. The second part, bang for your buck. They are so expensive. They cost too much compared to what you're getting. So usually when I play this game, I play it with a pin sound card installed. So last time I played this game at a friend's place, it was with the original. Oh, no. Yes, with the original audio. And you start a new game. And this, what was it? It's a... And that Balrog, it moves...
    44:31
    Like from 2003 or something. I'm like, go away! I hate that. The Balrog, it's so stupid. It flips out and it's like, now you're blocking the shot to the ring. How do I get this thing back out of here I hate it Yeah it's moved When it stands in attract mode You don't really you see him from the side And then you start a new game I mean I don't know It was maybe a great design choice back then But it's not I wish you could redesign it Like the doppelganger From Venom where it's got little dangly bits So that way you can still hit the ramp And still hit his dangles right I mean If this was a $5,000 game Then I would love it I would buy it, I would own it for $5,000 But you know, some of the Illies, I've seen them for like $11,000, $12,000 No way It makes no sense Check out Lord of the Rings Limited Edition Let's see what they are Listed for right now Searching, searching, limited edition, Stern 2009. 500 produced of this game. All right. And we got none currently listed on the marketplace. What? Wow.
    45:57
    Is that the LE and the standard version? That was the LE. I'm looking at the standard right now. Let's check out the standard. Standards, we got $10,000, $9,500, $11,000, $12,000, and that's it. There's four of them. $12,000, Donnie. I mean, no way. No.
    46:19
    Yeah, yeah, all the time. You can have my axe. Come on. Yeah. That's what I mean. It's just too expensive. Bang for your buck. No way. Makes no sense. Number 14. Oh, my God. People are so sad they didn't sell their limited edition Metallica games. But yeah, at number 14, Metallica Does it deserve that place? Let me answer you It's fun, but like 14th best of everything? No It's a good game It's Orbit, Left Ramp, Right Ramp, Bass Troy That's it It's no Last Action Hero That game doesn't even have an Orbit shot Isn't that crazy?
    47:09
    A lot of Last Action Hero with the pin sound Oh my god, I'm enjoying That's a $2,000 game. I'm having a blast. All right, all right. So does it deserve number 14? Nah.
    47:21
    The price, they were high, but people are in panic now. I've seen a lot of Metallicas for sale now. Free fall.
    47:30
    Yeah, rumors are saying Metallica is on the way. They should have sold their Metallica at least for like three, four months ago, don't you think? Well, you need to sell it before you know you need to sell it is the problem.
    47:43
    They need to talk with some VIP guys. Let's see. If I get drunk and I want to buy a Metallica LE and I went on Pinside right now, there's six of them. $99.99 is the cheapest one. Road case edition.
    48:00
    $10,000. Is that the LE? I don't remember. Is that a second premium thing? Oh, maybe, maybe. Do they have the LE version? Master of Puppets LE. Yeah, Ellie's 11-8, 14-12-5, 12.
    48:14
    Yeah. I mean, 14-12, it's just not worth it. It's not. I'm sorry. It's not. It's a good game, but it's just not worth it. Maybe eight, but yeah.
    48:28
    Choo-choo-choo. You are going to be angry because some of these guys, they love Lord of the Rings. I'm telling you. And Lord of the Rings is not a bad game, but it's just too expensive. I can hear them screaming from their parents' basement. It's all angry.
    48:42
    Number 15, Pirates of the Caribbean, JJP. Yes. All right, yeah, this one should move up. This is a great game. Yeah, I would pay Lord of the Rings money for one of these before I would, yeah. Yeah, so we can agree on it deserves its place, number 15. It's okay. Next question. Bang for your buck. Sorry. This game is like $20,000, $30,000 or something. Get out of here with that. Is it worth it? I'm buying a Supreme if I'm paying $20,000.
    49:15
    Yeah, it's just... No, it's too much. And it's only because it's so limited. There's not that many of them. It's not because the game is a $20,000 game. Yeah, but it's also a great game. It's not only for the limited. I mean, it's also a great game, but it's like $30,000. Can you imagine if they made 5,000 of these like Guns N' Roses and they were just everywhere for $7,000? Yes, please. I would have one. Hell yeah. Just do that. Yeah. Just do it, man. I enjoy playing it. As soon as Jersey Jack releases this flop of a Harry Potter, then maybe they will reconsider building more Fire to the Caribbean.
    49:52
    When they release Harry, it's going to be crazy. I'm going to buy two of them. Wow. All right. Next game. Yeah. Rush. Number 16. Does it deserve that? Rush. Why is it so high? That's crazy Number 16 I had the game, I had an LE I speak highly of it, I like the band I like the music, I can appreciate it for what it is I like the shots on that game But in the top 20? Yeah I don't know Lower The price, I don't know about this game I'm not really interested Did you hear? They're running them again now They renewed the license Pros and premiums are coming Yeah But they didn't produce that many of them to start with I mean to be honest They ended the run early I was surprised People didn't want to buy them Canadians bought them but no one else So they didn't build that many So it's cool just like you know Black Knight It's got call outs from the band If you like the band you'll love this game Yeah Okay so 11.5 with the topper That's what I sold mine for For an LE 10-250 LE without the topper The topper was $1,700 Holy crap That's fine bang for your buck I would say, I like the shots on layout So if you like the music For about $10,000 for the limited edition It's okay, it's okay I would say it's okay But number 16, nah Okay, this one Are you sitting down? Number 17, this game should Not even be at Top 100 Mousing around.
    51:35
    No. Cactus Canyon. Oh, get out of here, Cactus Canyon. Come on. That's a gumball machine of a pinball machine. You know, years back, let's go 10 years back. So we all just wanted the Bella Williams games, blah, blah, blah. And Cactus Canyon was only popular because they only produced 903 of them. Okay. And that was it. It was a hard game to get. And then when we got it, it was like, it was fun two days. And then it was like, dude, right? I shoot Bart again. But number 17, no. That's just no way.
    52:16
    Value bang for your buck. I think they're trying to give these things away now. Okay, so they're cheap.
    52:26
    Well, they never finished the code is a problem. it's coming someday so yeah okay let's see next one on the list number 18 007 james bond from stir what is happening the code the code is good on that one but number 18 of best pinball machines of the world man i don't get it number 18 no no this should be like number 45 or something all Right. Bang for your buck. It's not an expensive game to get, so it's okay for your money, but it doesn't deserve that high placement. Yeah, it's like a we're shooting Deadpool, or like less stuff to do Deadpool.
    53:11
    Oh, number 19, the game I just unboxed. Elton John from Jersey Jack Pinball. Nice debut. Nice debut. Yeah, as far as like a pinball machine that plays and does things you want a pinball machine to do, I can't argue with it. You have to like the theme. You have to like the music also if you really want to buy this game because it's a $15,000 game. So location, it just jumped up two places as I can see on Pinside now.
    53:39
    It's July. It's 5th of July, 2023, 2024 right now. I think it's an okay location at number 19. I think it's a great playing game. I think it's a fun game. I don't like the music that much. A couple of songs I like, but yeah. Get back, honky cat.
    54:01
    I actually like to listen to Tiny Dancer. I don't know why. I just, yeah. So, number 20. This is the last game we're going to review. And in some other show, we will take from 20 to 40. And the sharp guy will think right now while listening to this. He will say, Genghis, you can't do this because in like three weeks, the numbers, the games will be shuffling in there. And it's okay. It's okay. Then it's just at that time, at that moment, it's 20 to 40, right? Yeah. We'll see Lord of the Rings down at number 39. And we'll say, yeah, that's right.
    54:39
    All right. So the last game we're going to take right now is, from Stern again, Star Trek at number 20. What the heck's going on? I mean, it's better than Tron. It's good. Yes. Yeah. It's much better than Tron. I don't get the love for Tron at all. I've tried to like it. I tried to buy into the hype. I tried to get hype about it and go play it. And I'm like, plastic ramps, I don't know, a scoop, okay. I bought it new in box and I... I'd rather play CSI. Yeah, then they designed second version and then designed third version with 3D backless. They had different versions of Tron out there. And I had my Spider-Man and one of my friends from Sweden, Maunus, he contacted me and he said, I've got this Tron 3D version. I just got it. It's like it's brand new. Do you want to trade directly with your old new Spider-Man? And I, yeah, let's do that. So we made the trade. Newish Code, blah, blah, blah, and still second time I was like, I like the music, but the game, meh. How funny that Elton John and Star Trek are like both 19 and 20. It's the same layout. Yeah, same designer and the layout, yeah. I like the theme. I actually like it. It's an easy shooter. Star Trek, if you're a beginner, we talked about if you're a beginner, if you just entered this hobby, Godzilla is a great game Foo Fighters is also a great game to choose but I would say Star Trek it's a great starting game how about this what about a Spike 3 redo of Star Trek with like a big screen and more assets and more code yes I mean the code you can go 3D so it has got 18 modes I like it but it needs the screen the old DMV That'd be a fun game for them to redo. Like they'd redo a Metallica, supposedly. Oh, okay. That'd be cool. Metallica with the concert videos and all that. Yeah. It's going to be awesome if you like Metallica music. I love Metallica music. I mean, oh my God, I can't wait.
    56:54
    Harbinger of Sorrow. Yeah, yeah. Battery. That was Pinside Top 20. Yeah. Next on Episode 6, we're going to take 20 to 40. Okay, it's really cool. That's fun. So I have one more thing. Yeah. One more thing. So I have asked, I don't know if you saw this, Donnie, but on a Facebook group called Pinball Enthusiasts. Do you know that page? I mean, I think I come across it occasionally.
    57:25
    26,000 users in there. That's a lot. Pinball Enthusiasts. So I've been writing there. What up, guys? Best bang for your buck pinball machine. We at WAP, we need your help.
    57:41
    We want your help to choose best bang for your buck pinball machines. Ooh. Yeah. So people included what they think where you're getting most for your money. This is really interesting.
    58:00
    At the top of the list, we have got Johnny Mennonick. Now Johnny is a cheap game It's for sale all the time But I love that game It's a lot in it Keanu Reeves even What's it going for It's not his voice Oh no It's not his voice it's a duck voice But it sounds like Keanu Reeves But I mean I fully agree 17% Right now on pinball Enthusiasts thank you guys They said Johnny Mennonick great bang for your buck. So if you want a cheap machine where you pay not that much money and get a great game John M Nonick absolutely Number two Terminator 2 1991 Great theme, Steve Richard design. Do you like this game? It's okay. It's cheap. It's cool. Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah. I like it. It's okay. Number three. Oh, I love this game. It's Data East. Last action hero. Yeah, here we go. Oh, my God. It's a $2,000 game and with a pin sound card.
    59:09
    For the last two, three weeks, I have been only playing that game. I love it. I can't get enough. So, yeah, if you're looking for best bang for your buck, go for The Last Action Hero. It's a great game. Anyone from that era, like Tales from the Crypt also. Oh, yes. Tommy's fun to shoot. Tales, yeah. I have found out about on Data East's page on Facebook, Tales from the Crypt is not a $2,000 game. It's actually a high sought after, it's a $4,500 game. Yeah. Did you know, can I ask how much you paid for yours? 4K, yeah. There you go. So it's not a 2K game, but I'm telling you, it's a great pin. I mean, I love that pin. But it needs to have pins on it. I think if you can pick up a game for between $2,000 and $4,000 and it plays and it's fun, yeah. Yeah, I don't think you can really go wrong there.
    60:08
    Another game in there that I haven't enjoyed because it has got Shark in it is Baywatch. A lot of people are saying Baywatch is great bang for your buck. It has got a lot of votes. So, yeah, have you played Baywatch? I have. I found it on location. I play it on my virtual pin. It's fun. Is it okay for $2,500? All day. Heck yeah.
    60:35
    So, yeah, great bang for your buck. Nice. Let's take the next one. Lethal Weapon 3. Oh, that is. I think Lethal Weapon 3 is the cheapest DMD game out there. I think it's the cheapest one you can get. It's a cheesy game. It's a campy game. I love that game. Have you played that game? I have, yeah. On locations. I don't have a ton of time on it, but yeah, it's not bad. It costs like $1,500. It costs like $2,000. It's a cheap game. I love it for the money. It's a no-brainer. Can't go wrong with that. Want a filler pen? Just get Lethal Weapon 3. It's awesome. So we have got this one, Houdini, best bang for your buck. Now, before you say anything, Houdini's are on the secondary market. As a distro, I know something about this. On the second hand, Houdini's are so hard to sell.
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    They just did a run of more of them too. On the secondary market, so the prices of Houdini's are pretty low. So for the money you're paying, you're actually getting a lot of – I know it's tight. It's a tight shooting game. but for the low price you're getting a lot of money so i understand why people on pin pinball enthusiast has included that game i've talked i've talked to people that this is one of their favorite games too it's so it's so objective i know wow yeah favorite games okay yeah they're just hanging out with some friends and they're like you know there's a husband and wife and uh they're talking about how there's their tastes are so different and like all the games he loves, she hates, and it's just like, it's so individualized. But his favorite game is Houdini. I think it was the first one he bought, and he just kept it and loves it, and he probably learned those tight shots, so yeah. Sometimes first game has got special plays in people's hearts. Yeah. Okay, this game, it only got 2% of the votes, but it's in here. Dr. Dude. Oh man, what a cheap game. It's an obnoxious game.
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    It's not a great game, But for the price they go for, I think it's, yeah, okay. I mean, it's like $1,500. How much are they? Yeah, around there, yeah. Okay. So it's okay. I think Party Animal is a little better, but yeah. This one, 1%, Popeye saved the earth. What do you think about that? There's been one of these for sale for a year near me, and what a goofy game. If you like weird, quirky, strange things that are bad, it's a good game to get. Back in the day when we didn't have Marco's specialties, if I had CPU board with battery issues, if I had driver board with issues, I couldn't get a new one. We didn't have Robin. We didn't have. Then we just bought this game for like 800 bucks, took out all the boards, took the parts from the play field, and then we burned the rest.
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    Poor Popeye. So we just burned them. So, Popeye was a parts game back then. Everybody did this. Not me. So, Justin says Monday Night Football. I don't know that game. Do you know that game? I mean, I don't even know if I've ever played one of these. I may have seen one once.
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    Okay. So, okay. This game. This got 6% of the votes. This game was such a cheap game. It was cheap as High Speed 2. It was cheap as a fish tails. It was cheap as Terminator 2. And then all of a sudden, this guy called Zach Minney, he just reviewed this game. He did something with this game with the clunky rams, the shadow, and this game just exploded in price. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's not. It costs more than a fish tails now, this clunky fest of a game. Which one are we talking about? Monday Night Football? The shadow. Oh, shadow. Shadow is great, man. I love me some Shadow. It was an $1,800 game, and then Zach talked about this game, and now the Shadow costs like $4,000. I like that upper play field. Yeah. Yeah, but those Rams, I can't stand those Rams. Yeah, it is what it is, but 6% says great bang for your buck, but this game is like $4,000, guys. The next one, it has got 4%. Josh Dredd, 1993. It's a big game with a lot in it. Yeah. It's jam-packed, and that's a cheap game. Just Red was just like Popeye. It was a game we took the boards and we burned it back then. Sacrilegious.
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    Yeah, today, when people listen to this today, they're like, what? But back then, it was so cheap. We couldn't sell them. We couldn't sell them, and we couldn't get new parts. What do you want? something, a mortar, a scoop, something breaks. What do you want to do? You don't have all these internet people that sell shit for everything. We couldn't get those parts. That's unfortunate. It was sad times back. We're going to make a show and I'm going to talk about the history of everything. Oh my god, I have so many histories. I'd rather play Judge Dredd than like a rollercoaster tycoon and that sells for like $4,000. judge dread is a great game yeah and i fully agree with it all being on this list next game the getaway it's the getaway high speed 2 is one of my favorite pins oh yeah i don't know the prices in us but it's a cheap game here in europe that's a fun game it's a fun turbocharger love it be on this list yeah next one this is a cheaper game not easy for sale but it's always for sale Demolition Man. Okay. I see that a lot. Yeah. There must be a lot out there. Yeah. It got 3% off the vote. But for the price,
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    Rams galore. Yeah. Dildo handles. These guys on Pinball Enthusiast, they know what they're talking about. So, great, man. The next game, it's a WPC 95 game. It's called NBA Fast Break. Do you know this? Yeah, yeah. I've come across that before, too. The little balls up in the hoops. I remember back in the day When we could get replacement playfields For Medieval Madness People bought these NBA Fast Breaks Took all the parts And they, you know, made a Medieval Madness Because Medieval Madness was so Wait, is this the one that you can link together?
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    Yes Yes, so I just played one of these linked Yeah, that's right Yeah, Monika and I were able to play head-to-head To each other on two different machines What a great idea that is It was super fun. Back in 1997 or something. Yeah. And when you link them, you have this beautiful topper on top where you link them all together. It's, yeah. Yeah, it was really cool. It was at the Pinball, not Pinball Palace. Oh, shoot, I forget the name of it. They're in Oviedo, Florida. The Pinball Room? Pinball Lounge. The Pinball Lounge. Yeah, they've got a fast break. You put, you know, your credits on each one, hit start, pick your teams, and then, like, you're just kind of playing concurrently. It's super fun. But the thing is, pinball and sports It just doesn't match It doesn't fit Pinball people, are they sporty? Okay, you have your own basketball Thing in your home But usually, pinball people Cargo shorts New balances And are sports people going to come And play games Did a bunch of NASCAR fans play Dale Jr. all the time When they saw it? Or Big Buck Hunter?
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    It's like calling chess for sport. You know what I mean. Now you're going to get all the chess people after you. Oh, no. I love chess, and I actually play chess, and I am pretty high ranked. Do you like playing chess? Yeah, I can beat my daughter sometimes, so that's good. I love chess, man. I love it. Okay, next game, next game. Revenge from Mars. That's a cheap game. It's okay. It's weird. Yeah it has got the screen Not everybody likes it I liked it better than episode 1 That was not fun I walked away This game got Put up there And it has got zero votes But Vincent put this one up Big Bang Bar Get out of here with Big Bang Bar Get out of here That thing is like $30,000 It's not that fun to play That's what's got no votes We got Belly, Doctor Who That's a cheap game It's an okay game Black Rose, I love the music I enjoy Black Rose I want to like Black Rose more than I do Okay, fair Cannonball Ramp is kind of cool Right down the middle I never played it because of the theme But World Cup Soccer 94 Dog Soccer, what a game This is a good game It's a good game Now it's a sports thing So like I don't care about that I don't care about soccer But dog soccer is a fun game to play Cool little mechanisms A lot of ramps everywhere Give it a try It's a game that you wouldn't go up and play Because you look at it and you're like It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen But if you take a chance on it It's surprisingly fun Like CSI was the same thing I saw CSI and I'm like that's stupid I don't want to go play that And then I played it and I'm like this thing is so fun So many cool mechanisms in there, the cool shots, lock the balls in the eyeball, the skull.
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    Yeah, the centrifuge is cool. Yeah, it's not just a fan layout. It's interesting. For the last 20 years, World Cup Soccer, it was for sale all day long and a cheap game. And if you say it's a fun thing to play and the price are low, then I understand. It's here and it has got 5% off votes. It's okay. next one adventures of rocky and bullwinkle and friends i have never played it so i don't know is that good bang for your buck you know it it's just kind of boring it's like a roller coaster tycoon i i dig the theme i like the cartoons it's just the game wasn't that fun to me you know okay i for for 19 years i have like everybody else ignored all data east games who were like and the Pelle Williams only. No one cares about Dead Ace. So I didn't enjoy these games. That's why I got, you know, Tales now and Last Action Hero now, and they're just so cool. I'm on the lookout for more Dead Ace games. But, yeah, I'm really looking forward to dive into them. This one by Michael Gerard. He put this one on. Maverick, have you tried this game? Yeah, you know, I have. I can't remember where I played it. I've played it a lot on my virtual pin. It's kind of fun. It's got this paddle wheel, ball lock. It's got Mel Gibson on the back glass. I liked the movie back then in 1995 or something. Yeah. All right. Okay. I know it's a cheap game, so yeah. Yeah, sure. Fine on the list. Dylan, he put in Bank of Ball. I don't know that. Brian Costner, he put in Space Hunt.
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    That's a new game. Brian, what? Space Hunt. He's trolling. Yeah, Hexa Pinball. It's so sad, guys. Don, he was in Europe. He was in Italy, in France, and he actually contacted these guys and said, let me visit you. I'm driving right through your company. But, yeah, you couldn't. It's so sad. It could be so cool, man. No, no, that was Pedretti that wouldn't let me go there. Yeah, the guys from Hexa said, come on down to Bordeaux whenever you want. Come play this. They were super cool to me. I have been talking with Hexpinball And they said the same Retro Jenga just come and film Alright Let's go out there and play this thing You want to go meet down there Let's set up a time let's fly down to Lyon It could be so cool man WAP road trip South of France Bordeaux region Crack open a bottle let's play some space hunt And last year I talked with Dutch Barry and he said Come and film the factory Come and see how we are producing the what's it, the dude. Yeah. We should make a Europe tour. WAP road trip. Let's do it. All these companies just film everything. It could be awesome. All I need is an excuse. Let's go do this like soon.
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    It's so fun. WAP style. Yes. WAP style. I love it. Okay. Next game on the list. Break shot. Should I remove the music? What is it? Can you hear the music? Oh, I can hear it. I'm vibing. you're just tired man i am guys uh i broke my hand this morning and i was talking with don and i filmed i'm in the hospital i'm alone and he filmed that he was at work on his hospital in the u.s and then he was just walking and filming and sending me these videos and it looked like the first episode of walking dead you know the door and where it says don't open it's inside the fingers coming out there. Oh my God, it was so spooky. Hospitals are so creepy. I love it. That was the middle of the night. Place is empty. How can you do that, man? And I have a friend, I don't know what the job description is, but he, when people are dead, he transports them. Yeah, so that's the thing. That hallway that I was showing, there's a morgue right there with legit bodies in it.
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    He goes into the elevator with this, you know, with this bed with a dead guy in it. I'm like, do you do that? Yeah, I can only see his feet and a number down there. I'm like, oh, my God. My place has a corpse slide where we just open up a drawer and it slides down into the basement, and then you hear this thud. It's really weird. Oh, my. Just the hand that slides out of the bed, just like in the movies, where the hand just goes out to the side. Oh, my goodness. Grab your leg, yeah.
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    Grab your leg. That's even worse. Next game. Yeah. Break Shot. Do you know that game? Not really. I don't know. I can't say anything. Pinball Magic. Dude, that's a great game, but it's not a cheap game, so that's not... Yeah, get out of here. Weird game.
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    Rollercoaster Tycoon. That's $4,000, and it's not that good of a game. I don't think there's a lot of bang for buck there.
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    Okay. Fire Power. You don't know that. That's an old game. It's a fun game. It's a cheap game also. I think that's fine. I'd rather play big guns.
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    Last game. Anthony Pepe. Tron Legacy. No. I mean, that's an expensive game. Tron costs like $10,000 or something. I don't know why. It's got less in it than Batman 66.
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    I mean, Batman, I don't get it. A lot of comments. People are writing Basebang, they're writing Baywatch Baywatch, Lethal Weapon 3 Johnny, Mononick, all day long Last Action Hero Is underrated Oh Some guy called Gary Luvara He writes this about me He writes Fake profile Don't answer this post how did he figure that out we got fans all over the place man coming out man my account has been out there since like 2007 or some 2008 and come on man I want to say thank you to everybody that participated on Pinball Enthusiast on Facebook. Thank you, guys. So cool. So we could talk about this. That was fun. Wow, man. That was perfect. All right, Donnie. Yeah. I'm out, baby. How do you feel? Wap, where you always get a refundable deposit for our garbage. Absolutely.
    77:28
    So our next episode, we're going to talk about, of course, from 20 to 40, of course. But we're also going to include this new stick that was called... Don't eat all your life. Just don't feel right. Oh my God. I love it. I'm exhausted. All right, buddy. Yeah. And everybody, if you want to reach out to us, we are people69emails.com. Right? Buy a t-shirt. Everybody, have a great day. I will see you on episode three. Bye.
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    You don't wanna mess with Bumpy Johnson. You don't wanna fuck with Brandon Harlem.