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The Pinball Show Ep 60: Ryan Wanted The Title Of This Episode To Be 'This Is The Way'

The Pinball Show·podcast_episode·2h 21m·analyzed·May 17, 2021
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TL;DR

Mandalorian announcement dominates discussion; Zach and Ryan analyze design, market strategy, distribution issues.

Summary

The Pinball Show hosts Zach and Ryan C discuss Stern's newly announced Mandalorian pinball machine, featuring design by Brian Eddy, art by Randy Martinez, and code by Dwight Sullivan. The episode covers Mandalorian's features (Baby Yoda sculpt, Razorcrest ship, helmet-shaped mini playfield, co-op mode), market dynamics around limited edition pricing and distribution challenges in Australia, and comparative analysis of Mandalorian vs. Star Wars 2017. Industry news updates cover Jersey Jack code updates, Chicago Gaming Company flipper debates, and American Pinball repair content.

Key Claims

  • Dwight Sullivan is the coder for Mandalorian, not Lonnie Ropp as initially speculated

    high confidence · Craig Bobby news segment and host confirmation

  • Mandalorian LE machines in Australia are priced at $14,500 AUD

    high confidence · Ryan C states directly: 'it's $14,500 Australian for a Stern LE here'

  • Flippin' Out received 20 fewer Mandalorian units than anticipated for distribution

    high confidence · Zach states: 'Apparently, we're getting 20 less than we thought we were going to get'

  • Stern rejected Zach's pitch to establish Flippin' Out Pinball as a distributor in Australia due to existing monopoly

    high confidence · Zach: 'I attempted to contact Stern... They turned me down. They said, no'

  • Mandalorian LE sold out before Stern listed an official price on the Australian distributor website

    high confidence · Ryan: 'it got listed on their website as sold out. They never put a price on it'

  • Multiple customers ordered both LE and Pro/Premium units of Mandalorian for first time across Flippin' Out's customer base

    high confidence · Zach: 'we had more customers that ordered multiple units' including 'LE and a Pro so that they can get the Pro on location and the LE go in their home'

  • Zach quit his clinical psychology job to focus full-time on pinball and arcade business

    high confidence · Zach: 'I am all in for you people and pinball and arcade' and 'I hung it up. I hung that up. Completely'

  • A rumor that Baby Yoda moves mechanically was reported by The Nerdist but likely an error; no mechanical movement confirmed on Stern's feature matrix

    high confidence · Craig Bobby: 'there's absolutely no mention of any kind of mechanical movements from Baby Yoda on Stern's usually very detailed online feature matrix'

Notable Quotes

  • “I am taking the higher road, and I am not selling Mandalorian alleys when I could make an extra $50,000 right now”

    Zach @ ~18:00 — Reveals Zach's decision to maintain MSRP pricing despite secondary market demand, prioritizing customer relationships over margin expansion

  • “I'm a back scratcher. And then hopefully if I'm in a time of need or a time of needing support, hopefully somebody else will scratch my back. It's how I do business”

    Zach @ ~20:00 — Philosophy underlying Zach's business approach and pricing decisions

  • “The bar is quite low for a Star Wars pinball machine to become the new best Star Wars pinball machine... Everyone's like, okay, I think this is it. I think this is going to be the first really good Star Wars game”

    Ryan C @ ~28:00 — Commentary on Mandalorian's competitive positioning relative to 2017 Star Wars; lower expectation bar

  • “Difficult games generally just are not received well in the community. They're just not. You're 100% right. People do have egos”

    Ryan C @ ~32:00 — Analysis of market reception dynamics favoring easier/more accessible difficulty settings

  • “Whenever I hop into a Ferrari, there's a hell of a lot less going on in a Ferrari than there is a Cadillac Escalade, but I can tell you what happens when I hit that gas pedal”

    Zach @ ~38:00 — Metaphor for design philosophy: simplicity vs. complexity in game engagement

  • “People like... people like oh my gosh the game is so much fun because they like all the multivolves are easier... now I tell people like if you find it too easy go make it harder but if you tell people these i'm putting it on factory settings if it's too hard for you make it easier they won't do it”

    Ryan C @ ~35:00 — Reveals operator psychology: difficulty setting framing matters more than actual settings; players won't self-adjust

  • “I want to set up a fight with Jeff Teolis... if he comes back to Australia. I want an equal kind of ground. So I want us to both be in those inflatable sumo suits”

Entities

The MandaloriangameStern PinballcompanyZachpersonRyan CpersonBrian EddypersonDwight Sullivanperson

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Stern maintains distributor monopoly in Australia; rejects expansion partnership proposals; distributor uses exchange rate variation as pricing mechanism; creates market access barrier for competing distributors

    high · Zach: 'I attempted to contact Stern... They turned me down... it's a monopoly'; Ryan: 'there's only one... they're the only distributor, they can jack up the price to whatever they want'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Mandalorian positioned as significantly improving on Star Wars 2017 due to low bar set by previous game; visual design widely praised despite limited gameplay footage review

    high · Ryan: 'the bar is quite low for a Star Wars pinball machine to become the new best Star Wars pinball machine... Everyone's like, okay, I think this is it'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Difficulty accessibility discussion reveals operator/casual player frustration with complex games; operators resort to 'extra easy' settings; Star Wars 2017 suffered poor market reception despite complexity

    high · Ryan: 'Difficult games generally just are not received well in the community... people won't rent Simpson's Pinball Party for more than one month'; difficulty setting psychology

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Brian Eddy's Mandalorian layout described as 'very unique and busy'; complexity discussion echoes ongoing tension between accessibility (casual) and depth (competitive)

    medium · Craig Bobby: 'very unique and busy layout by Brian Eddy'; host Ferrari vs. Cadillac metaphor debate

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Mandalorian announced 5 months after Stern's previous release (Avengers); timing suggests careful IP/production planning; no licensing delays noted

Transcript

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0:00
Warning, the following episode contains adult language and screaming goats. Listener discretion is advised.
0:11
The Pinball Network is online. Launching The Pinball Show. This week on The Pinball Show, we chat all things Mandalorian with a pinball heartthrob. We also discuss pinball collectability, behind the scenes and pinball distribution, whether Mandalorian is a buy, buy, buy it now, obtaining the unobtainable, pinball market trends, strong podcast takes, deals of the week, sharp edition, and the mother of all deals of the WTF. Ooh, and we argue about point chasing versus moment making in pinball. All of this and more on episode 60. Just tap it in. Give it a little tappy.
0:58
Thank you for being a friend. Pinball is a game of skill. For some, it's a passion and a lifestyle. You're a pal and a confidant. It's time for the pinball skill. And if she threw a party. It's pinball with personality. I need everyone to lose. You would see the biggest gift would be from me And the heart attack would say thank you for being a friend Welcome to the Pinball Show episode 60. Listen guys, I am so sick and tired already of hearing the Mando intros. Boom, boom. So this show we're going to bring in a friend. He's a great friend. He's a legendary podcaster. He rivals Greg Bone as Pinball's heartthrob.
1:53
And he would actually get his ass kicked by Jeff Teelis in a fist fight. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the show, Ryan C. Is everyone glad that I'm not Delt 31?
2:06

Ryan C @ ~15:00 — Community personality moment; playful challenge to fellow podcaster Jeff Teolis

  • “Dwight Sullivan, I would say, is on there... these are just people that I admire”

    Zach @ ~48:00 — Zach's admiration for designers/coders he considers exceptional; clarifies 'my boy' terminology

  • “Walking Dead is the most... It's the biggest masterpiece code in pinball, in my opinion”

    Zach @ ~56:00 — High praise for Limey Sheets' Walking Dead code; establishes benchmark for code quality

  • “I absolutely loved it. But I'm not sure long-term how much staying power it would have... everything about that game is magical to me”

    Ryan C @ ~51:00 — Nuanced take on Elvira: immediate appeal vs. long-term replayability; theme vs. mechanics tension

    • Randy Martinez
    person
    Jersey Jack Pinballcompany
    Chicago Gaming Companycompany
    American Pinballcompany
    Flippin' Out Pinballcompany
    Star Wars 2017game
    Elviragame
    Jeff Teolisperson
    Limey Sheetsperson
    Flippin' Out Podcastorganization
    Stern Insider Pinball Podcastorganization
    George Gomezperson
    Baby Yoda (Grogu)product_feature
    Craig Bobbyperson
    Dennis Creaselperson
    Christopher Franchiperson
    Jack Dangerperson
    Marv Locoperson

    medium · Craig Bobby: 'after a five-month hiatus from Stern sparked a buying and selling frenzy'

  • $

    market_signal: Mandalorian LE sold out before official Australian price listing; strong demand signal despite lack of price transparency

    high · Ryan: 'it got listed on their website as sold out. They never put a price on it'

  • ?

    community_signal: Stern Insider Pinball Podcast featured multi-part interviews with Mandalorian design team (designer, coder, artist, mechanical engineer); George Gomez indicated possible design direction change before final approval

    medium · Zach reference to SIP podcast coverage; mention 'it looked as if they were going to do a whole different title' before 'George Gomez came up and told them'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Dwight Sullivan confirmed as coder for Mandalorian, surprising some who expected Lonnie Ropp; TMNT was Sullivan's recent prior work (released ~1 year prior)

    high · Craig Bobby and host: Dwight Sullivan surprise; prior TMNT code assignment mentioned

  • $

    market_signal: Australian LE pricing at $14,500 AUD appears locked despite exchange rate fluctuations; distributor uses exchange rate as cover for price floors; Zach rejected secondary market markup opportunity worth $50k

    high · Ryan: '$14,500 Australian for a Stern LE'; Zach: 'I am not selling Mandalorian alleys when I could make an extra $50,000'; discussion of exchange rate behavior

  • ?

    announcement: Stern officially announced Mandalorian pinball with full trailer, feature reveal, and design team confirmation (Brian Eddy design, Randy Martinez art, Dwight Sullivan code)

    high · Craig Bobby news segment with official Stern details; host confirmation of design team

  • ?

    product_strategy: Multiple customers purchasing both LE and Pro/Premium units together (first time pattern observed by Zach); suggests strategy to deploy Pro on location and retain LE for home/personal use

    high · Zach: 'This is the first time it's really happened where a handful of people bought multiple units, which I found odd'

  • ?

    supply_chain_signal: Flippin' Out received 20 fewer Mandalorian units than anticipated; distributor uncertainty on production/allocation

    high · Zach: 'we're getting 20 less than we thought we were going to get'

    • If it's not Dennis Creasel, just please don't be Delt 31. Please never do that again. Not a big fan of that show. I know Dennis gave you shit about it already, but I'm here to just double down. and I listened to that show, Zach, and good on you for getting through it all. And I was ready to throw this guy in the toilet after listening to the episode, but at one point he was like, ah, yeah, and I created the Jurassic Park alternative firmware. I'm like, ah, fuck, now I can't like it. I was giving him props for that too. Now I like the guy. Like, regardless of how much of an asshole he was being, I'm like, okay, he has redeemed himself because that has transformed me and I own it. So he's allowed to be a little bit of an artist. You want to know something hilarious, Ryan and listener? The Avengers, he did something for that as well, but I don't think it's promoted that much. And I have an Avengers coming into the collection, and I messaged him after the show, prior to it airing. I was like, hey, man, do you think you could send me what you got on that Avengers? I'd love to upload it. And he was like, yeah, no problem.
    3:12
    Crickets, since then. I don't think I'm going to get that updated. Did you edit him to sound bad? Was he actually like a really nice, wholesome guy? No, that editing was atrocious, though. What you heard is what you got. Zach, I was really excited to jump on the show because even though you're not the world's most popular podcaster, that's reserved for a four-time TV-winning individual in New York, because I've podcast quit, you were the second most popular podcast, but they're back now. Yeah, I'm back down. This is the third. I told everyone, I was like, I'm dating this girl, and I was just like, she's like, where are you going tonight? Do you want to hang around? I'm like, sorry, I'm going to go record a podcast with the third most popular pimple. The trash numbers number three. Look, I'll take my creasel over any Franchi, over any Kaneda, any day. Have you still not met the creasel?
    4:06
    No, I met Dennis in Texas. He handed me a very weird, yellow-ish colored Click the Gamers podcast t-shirt. And like, here you go, Ryan, you're a podcaster, you get a free t-shirt. I'm like, thank you, Dan. He's so sweet. Are you going to a show this year in the States, or do you guys still have to stay on your island? I mean, we can travel to places. If we try and come back, we have to stay in hotel quarantine. You get probed. We don't really have coronavirus here. we have to pay like three thousand dollars to stay in a hotel regardless of if we test positive or negative for coronavirus they're like you have to be locked down and that's how they're controlling wow it sounds like the government owns a chain of hotels nicely done so no no traveling i think until 2022 is when they'll start considering things but we have a travel bubble with new zealand and that's it that's the only place we can go within our own country and New Zealand without... Yeah, but Australia and New Zealand are kind of like fuck buddies, aren't they?
    5:12
    Most Americans don't even know the difference, to be honest. I guess it's like saying that Canada and the US are fuck buddies, but... I could do that.
    5:22
    Well, maybe like Hawaii. Why is Hawaii part of America anyway? It's like, it's not really... Because it's awesome. It's awesome? Yeah. Did someone else own it and they just kind of like put this, like, this is ours now? I'm a typical American. I have no clue about history. I don't know. I can see us being fuck buddies with Canada. I can see that. And I can see having a dirty weekend with Mexico, but just not telling our friends. Talking about Canada, do you really think I would lose a fight with Jeff Teolas?
    5:52
    I kind of do, man. I'm not going to lie. I kind of do. Have you seen him in the last year? Like, this guy hasn't showered. He hasn't shaved. He hasn't... He's too scared to go get a haircut. I think his long hair's working. I really do? Yeah. I think his teeth is working as well. I don't want to see his cheeks anymore. Like, after not seeing him for a year, I'm like, I'm pretty used to this, Jeff. I don't want to see your fucking cheeks anymore. But Jeff, Jeff's... He's, like, old and he's husky. Like, I think you'd tear some people up. He's quite scary. Are you, like, tough or something? I don't know. I'm not tough, but I think I'm pretty fit and I'm agile. I think I could probably just wear him down, like in the 12th round, if we're in a boxing ring or something. Like, he would just be out of breath. And, you know, if he gets one hit in, I'm fine. Winded. Yeah. If he wins. Yeah, maybe. Okay, what I want to challenge Jeff Teal is to, if he comes back to Australia. I love it. Yeah, I want to set up a fight with Jeff for charity. Because if you say it's for charity, then you can do it. Bouncing by flipping out pinball? Yep, yep. We'll wear stickers and get some fake tattoos on our forehead.
    7:07
    But I want an equal kind of ground. So I want us to both be in those inflatable sumo suits. Absolutely. Me and Jeff in a ring, fighting it out for glory. I officially challenge him. Wow. Either I go to Canada next or he comes to Australia. I want to fight Jeff Tealers. What do you think about my fighting ability there, Ryan? I think I can find my scrappy. I think, no, I think you've got too much to lose now. I think you've got, like, you've got, I don't know how many kids you have now. I've lost track, but, yeah. Is your wife pregnant again? No, God, no. I don't think. I don't think she is. That would be some shit. So you're done? Yes. You're done with kids? I'm cut, man. I'm done. Ah, okay. Oh, then you definitely don't have any more kids. Well, I just, hey, I don't know. And how many do you have? Four? I have four children, yeah. It's a lot. And, yeah, you've got flipping out. You do other work, I think, still, possibly one day. I hung it up. I hung that up. Completely. I'm all in, man. I'm all in on pinball and arcade. I don't know if I've told the listeners that, but I posted something on social media, what was that, last week, and we've kind of been celebrating my exit from clinical psychology. So I am, maybe I'm an idiot, but I am all in for you people and pinball and arcade. What is wrong with me? Okay, so you're all in. You've quit your other job, and then you're not cashing in on the... I listened to that last episode. Oh, yeah. Dennis, and you're like, I am taking the higher road, and I am not selling Mandalorian alleys when I could make an extra $50,000 right now. Don't bring it back up, man. Good timing, Zach. This is just... It's hard. What are you going to do? What were your thoughts on that? And then we'll jump into the news. I think it's very, very noble of you.
    9:03
    Something not often associated with me, but okay. Yeah. You know your market more than I do, and you know your customers. I don't know what your customers are like if you... Well, typically, Ryan, the way the market works is customers don't want to pay more money for a pit bull machine. So, yeah, they like an MSRP price rather than $2,300. Yeah, and I'm sure you've got your customers that buy pretty much every alley off you. And then, so if you say this, you know, Mandarelli is now $15,000, they're not going to buy a few, but they're also not on the list for other people. So they miss out and they're like, F that, I'm never ordering out some flipping out pimple again. I'm guessing that's what you're trying to avoid. I'm trying, yeah, I'm trying to do the right thing. Trying to be decent because I think I'm a back scratcher, Ryan. You like your back scratched?
    9:55
    I like it massaged. A massage, not much for the scratching. What about the head? You can pop some blackheads on my back as well if you want. Oh, God. You got any big juicy white ones? But regardless. They're not blackheads. They're whiteheads. But regardless, I like scratching back. So I am a back scratcher. And then hopefully if I'm in a time of need or a time of needing support, hopefully somebody else will scratch my back. It's how I do business, whether it's with customers, manufacturers, co-hosts, you name it. I'm a back scratcher. I'm a giver, right? Can you scratch my back? Then, Zach, can you make me a distributor in Australia so I can join in on this amazing fun that you're having and this journey that you're on? You want to know a total truth, listener out there. I attempted to contact Stern to tell them my desire to open up a branch of Flippin' Out Pinball in Australia. I pitched that to them. Yeah, and once they approved, my pitch was going to be, how much do I have to overpay Ryan to run a distribution out of Australia? And they turned me down. They said, no, and I said, but it's a monopoly. Come on, Stern, don't allow a monopoly. It's a weird situation. You call it weird, I call it monopoly. I guess it's a little bit weird because we, the price gouging, or whatever you want to call it, selling over the recommended retail price, I guess it can't really happen here because of the monopoly. Like, it's not like, okay, well, he's doing it so I can do it. Like, there's only one. No, but I don't agree with that. They can, because they're the only distributor, they can jack up the price to whatever they want. They, yeah, the price is very sensitive to when the exchange rate changes. it goes straight up. When the exchange rate swings the other way, there it doesn't really... Yeah, it's kind of like a price... Like they're forced to up the price because they have to. They have to make their money in their margins.
    11:57
    But it's also kind of like a free market test. We always talk about like Stern and JGP and all these people testing the market out with like, okay, we can sell Topo for this much. We can up the price of Elvira. And they're like, is this going to work or is it not going to work? This is kind of like a free price market test because they have to do it. And then if people are buying LEs for, you know, it's $14,500 Australian for a Stern LE here. And then now the US dollar is weaker against the Australian dollar and it should be $1,000 less. But there's no point because they all sell out. What's the Mandalorian LE pin going for? The same price as the last LE or more? Guess what? I don't know because it got listed on their website as sold out. They never put a price on it. I don't know if you can get it for now if you want, but I put my name down maybe three or four weeks before announcement. And I didn't say put me down for the next machine. It was very specific.
    12:59
    And I don't know if I'm in yet. I think I might have missed out. Well, hold up. That's the problem. How do you not know if you're in yet? They said they're working through the list. So they've got a big fat list. And I don't know how they do this. Because if I mention specifically, hey, I would like the next game from Stern, which I believe is Mandalorian by Brian Eddy, please put me down for that. That's a very specific ask. That's a hit. That's a hit for me. As a dealer, I'm saying that's a hit. Yes, but if someone says, put me down for the next Brian Eddy game because I love Brian Eddy, or put me down for the next Dwight Sullivan game or put me down for the next Ali. Just, yeah, the next Stern game full stop. We get all of those, yeah. So if someone says put me down for the next Stern game full stop and you have multiple spreadsheets and you get 50 people that are down for every Stern Ali, then it doesn't matter if someone messes you specifically like, oh my God, I just found out a month in advance it's going to be back to the future. It's like, well, you're now 51st on the list because there's still someone down for every single Ali. Is that what's happening? No, I think everybody's different, but what I do is, I mean, if you're saying just The Next Stern, okay. But if you can nail what that title is, then, and that's what specifically you're looking for, I think you take a little bit of priority over, you know, the list of just general get me the next. It's hard as well, because then it's kind of like only the people in the know, or people that listen to podcasts, or people, do you know what I mean? Yeah, kind of. Everyone needs to be on kind of like a level playing field. And, I mean, you know, there was an asterisk to that email. It was like, I still would like to see the game first before I'm not giving you any money before I see the game. Well, and the easy thing for us is what we did was I knew two weeks before, not directly from Stern, but like you said, you find these things out. And I started at that point kind of mixing and layering them in. So it wasn't an issue for us, but I could see that being an issue. And right now, that's all the rave. I feel bad. Anybody that messages us now flipping out for a Back to the Future rumor, Harry Potter, Godzilla, Toy Story, I'm pretty much already full. It's already gone. I wrote down for Godzilla maybe a year ago or something. So if I don't get a fucking Godzilla, then I'm going to have a hissy fit. You're calling shenanigans. Yeah. No, I heard about Mandalorian a while ago, and it didn't click because I'm just like, ah, I don't know if it would be that because, you know, it's only the second season and timing. And then I heard it again. I'm like, ah, should I email? Like, no, I shouldn't. And then by the time I kind of started hearing it everywhere, I'm like, okay, this is probably real, unless it's like a rumor echo chamber, because I'm sure you've been involved in the rumor echo chambers where one person says something, don't tell anyone this, and then everyone messages each other and then you start hearing it everywhere, but it really is just that one rumor from the one person just circulating. Anyway. How many alleys do you think will hit Australia? Apparently, we're getting 20 less than we thought we were going to get, but I don't know. I've rung the distributor three times already. I'm like the annoying customer. No, it's all local. Everybody does it. At least I want to know if I get a pro for location because I made the mistake of getting Avengers Alley only and not the pro, Oh, okay. And then I think it almost, it sounds stupid, but it puts too much pressure on me to enjoy the LE and wait for it to be the game that it's meant to be through code updates and this and that and adjustments. And I'm like, I don't want to do that anymore. I want to have the pro out there making money.
    16:47
    And I'll be patient with the LE if I can, you know, play the pro and it's doing its job. You know what's crazy? This time around, sorry, listener, Ryan and I are just kind of shooting the shit as buddies here. But no, this time around it was odd. We had more customers that ordered multiple units. Like we had operators that would order an LE and a Pro so that they can get the Pro on location and the LE go in their home, or a Pro and a Premium. This is the first time it's really happened where a handful of people bought multiple units, which I found odd. It's quite funny, isn't it? because the Star Wars is a huge theme. Everyone knows that. I'm not saying anything special there. But the bar is quite low for a Star Wars pinball machine to become the new best Star Wars pinball machine. I know that sounds kind of mean. I'm sure there's lots of people out there that have Star Wars pinball machines. Like, I love my daddy's Star Wars, and I love my stern, you know, 2017 Star Wars, whenever it was. But kind of like instantly, this is kind of, everyone's like, okay, I think this is it. I think this is going to be the first really good Star Wars game. No, a lot of people just wouldn't know a great machine if it hit them in the face. We had an unbelievable Star Wars machine that people didn't accept back in 2017 or 18 or whenever it was. Are we really going to get into this argument? We can because difficult games generally just are not received well in the community. They're just not. You're 100% right. People do have egos. um and especially when people are spending lots of money when i rent pinball machines out now zach i put twin to a newbie um like no one was renting simpson's pinball party for more than one month and i i adjusted the inlay of the outlanes you know to be as small as i could and it still was just right they're small the way they are yeah and then so what i did was i put i just put games now on extra easy and it killed me to do it but people like people like oh my gosh the game is so much fun because they like all the multivolves are easier and and whatever it is and like yeah and now i tell people like if you if you find it too easy go make it harder but if you tell people these i'm putting it on factory settings if it's too hard for you make it easier they won't do it but they won't like the game and that's that's what happened i guess with with you know star wars it is it is hard but it's also i don't know like look at the machines side by sides and just visually you can't say that Mandalorian kind of blows you away a little bit more than Stern Star Wars. Oh, from a visual, yeah, sure, from a visual sense. Yeah, I get that. We can't really talk about software because we haven't really seen it play or shoot, so all the rest is... But my argument would be, Ryan, whenever I hop into a Ferrari, there's a hell of a lot less going on in a Ferrari than there is a Cadillac Escalade. but I can tell you what happens when I hit that gas pedal.
    19:53
    What's the equivalent of hitting the gas pedal in Steve Ritchie's? Is that when you plunge and it hits the three-target bank and goes in the left out lane? And then auto plunges down the left out lane? That's just somebody that doesn't know how to drive a manual stick. I'm talking about that Hyperloop, baby. Oh!
    20:16
    Gives me a wood every time. Gives about two or three of them in there. Oh, man. It's a race car. Or you can drive a Cadillac. Yeah, or you could do it on, like, Steve Ritchie's 1992 Getaway High Speed 2, and you don't have to fucking brick the shot 20 times to get it. You just hit the shot. Yeah, if you want a non-licensed-themed game that gets old after a couple of games. Yeah, sure. I agree. Let's talk about some news. You want to jump over to the correspondency and what the hell they've drummed up? I feel bad for everybody but Craig Bobby this week. Let's do it. It's time for TPN Industry News.
    20:59
    Mandomania sweeps over the galaxy. Hello and welcome to the pinball show's Stern News Update. I'm Craig Bobby. Well, Stern sent the pinball world officially into a galaxy far, far away with their full trailer and feature reveal video this past week for their new Mandalorian pinball machine. Wow, so much to unpack, which I'll leave mostly to Zach, but just an amazing art package by Randy Martinez with a very unique and busy layout by Brian Eddy. It looks like Dwight Sullivan got the tap for code, which was a bit of a surprise considering his last lead code effort from TMNT was only released a little over a year ago. Oh, and how about that unbelievable, almost life-size sculpt of Baby Yoda in the top left quarter of the playfield? If you haven't seen it yet, you can get all the details and images on the Stern website or social media channels, or the deep dive on the Mandalorian reveal from this week in Pinball's website. And speaking of Baby Yoda, as first reported by Marv Loco earlier this week, an online website called The Nerdist was reporting that Baby Yoda actually moved? But before you put your GNR CE or Avengers LE on Pimps Eye for sale, this was probably just a reporting error, as there's absolutely no mention of any kind of mechanical movements from Baby Yoda on Stern's usually very detailed online feature matrix. However, as the official first-play livestream of the game is still to come this week, stay tuned for confirmation of this fact. Other interesting features include a mini or upper playfield in the shape of Mandalorian's helmet. A mini model of Mando's Razorcrest ship with a hanging pass-through target can also be found in the center of the playfield. And a return of player co-op mode has been confirmed for The Mandalorian, which was a big hit from Dwight's last coded game on TMNT. The release of the new title after a five-month hiatus from Stern sparked a buying and selling frenzy with pinheads and Star Wars fans uniting, leading to deals of the WTF popping up all over Pinside. But all in all, a very exciting release by Stern, with all eyes now turning to the live stream hosted by Jack Danger later this week. Well, that's all for this week. For the Pinball Show, I'm Craig Bobby. Catch you on the flip side.
    23:24
    Hi, this is Ken Rudberg with your Jersey Jack update. On the docket today is everyone's favorite topic, code updates. Jersey Jack has gone way back and updated The Hobbit to version 3.11. The code includes Wi-Fi networking with a Wi-Fi dongle, scorebit integration, player menus, and a bunch of other bug fixes and polish. So what's the state of code for Jersey Jack's other titles? Guns N' Roses, the most recent release, is sitting at a healthy 1.2. The release before that, Willy Wonka, is sitting at version 1.37. So everybody's happy, right? Not quite. It's not the sea air that's making Pirates of the Caribbean owners salty. Pirates Code currently sits at 0.99. The last update was in April of 2019.
    24:17
    Let's hope that now that these other games are pretty much wrapped up, that Jersey Jack can put the finishing touches on what some consider to be the best game of all time. For the Pinball Show, this has been Ken Redberg.
    24:31
    Matt Morrison here with your Chicago Gaming Company update. In a post on Pinside labeled, It's time to talk about CGC flippers, the debate rages on between the difference in feel and function of Bally Williams flippers and Chicago Gaming Company remake flippers. What's interesting about this thread is the wormhole it goes down from bending the flipper bracket, the difference between the software emulation and the Bally Williams fliptronic system they have retractors out measuring things and now they have an oscilloscope involved so maybe these guys will get down to what is the actual difference in feel or perceived feel between the two if you're waiting on an official Cactus Canyon remake update keep holding your breath but if you want a little tidbit go over to Planetary Pinball's website go to the storefront front page and right off the bat you're going to see special collector's edition plates just like the ones that came on the original cactus canyon games for sale on the website coincidence i don't know and that's going to do it for this week back to you guys hey this is cause with a quick american pinball update while there is no major news to report on this week there is some new videos on YouTube for American Pinball. One of the newest videos is a top 10 tools for pinball repair by Dave Brennan, the tech service manager. It answers a lot of questions that people have as they're getting into the hobby. Maybe you don't have a whole lot of tools on hand. This is a great video to show you some top tools that you'll need to work on your pinball machine. So check out that video. Just search for American Pinball on YouTube. I hope everybody has a great week and has fun playing pinball. For the Pinball Show, this is Brian Custer.
    26:09
    All right, ladies and gentlemen, for the most part, we're going to be talking about pretty much nothing besides Stern Pinball's The Mandalorian, which was announced last week. Like 30 minutes after you uploaded the last podcast. I know. What the hell? Some bullshit. We know that Brian Eddy is lead design. Everybody was speculating that, so they were correct there. Randy Martinez on artwork, which everybody kind of got right. The Coder is what everybody kind of slipped up on. and people were thinking Lonnie Ropp. You heard it here. Lonnie Ropp. Check out that cat.
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    That's what we heard. And then it was my boy, Dwight Sullivan, on code, which made me so, so, so happy. Love Dwight. Zach, how many boys do you have? If Dwight is your boy, do you have any other boys out there in the pinball world? Hashtag Team Zach. Dwight Sullivan, I would say, is on there. Franchi was But nah he's not on there anymore And Zombie Eddie creates greatness Jerry Thompson Jerry's a boy I mean my boy being I'm a big fan of Ah so this has nothing to do with them liking you Oh yeah these guys don't give two shits No these are just people that I admire Brian Eddie's on there Yeah I like These creators Eric Menier's on there Keith Johnson's on there. I could keep going. Limey Sheets isn't your boy? I'm mixed on Limey. I don't know. Some games I just don't get, don't like. Like Batman 66?
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    Keep it. Elvira? Yeah, I love Elvira code. But I sold my game. Did you sell your Elvira? You had Elvira for a while. I did a temporary swap. I was getting a little bit bored of Avengers and I can't sell this game. I just got it. so I said this is my opportunity to get an Elvira with a temporary swap. Have you ever done one of those before? I don't think you could. I think you're too anal to do that. I couldn't do that. I've had people try to ask, like Bill Webb's always been asking, or other people, and I'm like, no offense, I just want my own game. I don't want to borrow anything. So basically the way it works is you just kind of swap games, and then when the first person wants it back, there's no arguing. and you just have to give it back if it's after a day or after six months. But I thought I'd get some good time with Elvira, and after like a week and a half, the guy was like, I don't want Avengers anymore. I'll have my Elvira back, please. And I'm like, no. Sorry, I can't hear you. Hello? Sorry. I'm really busy with work at the moment. Give me an extra week.
    28:49
    So I had very limited time with Elvira, but I absolutely loved it. But I'm not sure long-term how much staying power it would have. but everything about that game is magical to me. And you won't hear many people besides Jesse Ellis throw shade on Elvira. I think that if Lyman got a theme that I cared more about, that would help out a lot. And he doesn't really do a lot of code, like not very often.
    29:21
    Walking Dead? Walking Dead in 2000? Walking Dead is the most... It's the biggest masterpiece code in pinball, in my opinion. So it's hard to take anything. He did greatness there. So if he can match that with a theme I love, sure. But Batman 66, theme-wise, doesn't do anything for me, nor do I feel it really engaging. And then we get to Elvira, which I love. You're the only person, including me, that doesn't give a shit about Batman 66 and the characters. I'm just like, I can never get into this game. I don't want to listen to jazz music. Yeah, I'll turn him aside.
    29:57
    So, yeah. So until he comes out with something that really just pulls me in like Walking Dead. And Elvira does that, but the theme is Elvira, you know. It's not Mandalorian like Mandalorian I watch. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is nostalgic. I love it.
    30:14
    Stranger Things. It's my jam. Elvira. Batman 66. I feel like maybe the lineman is coding games that are just a little bit older than my generation. Maybe we'll call Marty Robbins, see if he likes it. He's older than me.
    30:29
    All right, well, that was me just interrupting you saying, my boy, Dwight Sullivan. Yeah, I know, what the hell?
    30:36
    Now, on the podcast this last week, the Stern Insider Pinball Podcast, Ryan, I know you're a big fan of that. Oh, my God, I love listening to that. I know you do. You've subscribed twice, I think, over there. you're inside your times too gold level Nate Shivers he's my boy you like Nate? to be honest I haven't I'm like Dennis Creasel I refuse to listen to that I sign up and log in to listen to a podcast I've got my oh I got you podcatcher so I you'll have to tell me well I will fill you in on the SIP podcast Nate Shivers the host over there had on part one and part two part one was with the designer the coder was designer and coder I believe Part two, I've heard so many podcasts. My apologies. The Sound, Jerry Thompson, artist, mechanical engineer maybe. He had everybody on. They talked about this game very thoroughly. I'm going to give you a couple highlights, and then my little marble rye, and I will talk about this game. I found it interesting, Ryan, that it looked as if they were going to do a whole different title, that is Brian Eddy and crew, before George Gomez came up and told them that they were actually securing the Mandalorian. So they kind of did a quick switch. What does that mean, though? Does that mean that part of the layout was going to be something else, or does that mean that they were going to design a different title and then they just put it on hold for the Mandalorian? Yeah, it's a good question. I think it felt like they were just in the concept stage. They were just spitballing ideas for a new title when this opportunity did come up. So, Golden Girls. Thank you for being a friend. Maybe they were doing the Golden Girls. The more that gets pushed around, it might work. So they were going to do that. There are a lot of cool features on this game. Everybody's seen the little sizzle reel. We don't get to stream until later this week, but we got pictures, we got sizzle reels, and that's pretty much all we need for visual representation of layout and different things. We still have to see what the code's like. But one of the big things in the game is an upper play field. and you love upper playfields, but one that tilts front to back. And this thing can go up 65 degrees, they said, vertically, which offers, I think that offers a really fun element to otherwise maybe a boring upper playfield. I don't know. There's just six stand-up targets up there. But if it is moving vertically at different, so that pitch is going to be different, that's going to offer a little bit of fun there, I think. What do you think on the playfield? it's I mean we don't have a dead flip video like a stream we have a choreographed uh sizzle reel as you said so they can make shout out to Roper they can make he's my mate we chat all the time Roper's great um he yeah they can make it look however they want to make it look just like you know Black Knight Upper Playfield and any feature so we don't know uh I've heard Dwight talking about it sounds pretty fun It sounds very intense. It's about intensity, but until we see it, it's just a guess. And on this podcast, they even talked about why did they go to full-size flippers rather than little flippers because there's not much of a gap utilizing those full-size flippers on that upper play field. They said they experimented with it but ultimately went with the two full flippers. I don't know there. Maybe it isn't simple, but I think I could probably keep that ball up there for a while. Yeah. it's weird it's i worry about that what it's a tiny like the gap in the flippers looks like the size of the wall basically yeah i'm sure it's a little bit bigger um how big is that by the way pretty big gap little gap it's very tight it's okay down there tight but fine for them balls okay it's a houdini gap okay yeah i don't i don't know it's good it's it's one of those wait and see things. I mean, if you drain, will you need to, like, can you just go straight back up there within 10 seconds? Is it like Wizard of Oz when you're trying to shoot around the house, and then it's like, ah, I messed up, but I don't have to do the entire thing again? Because that'd be quite frustrating if you get up there, hit a shot, go straight down the middle, and then you have to start the process again. I don't know. I think that those, the code-wise, it's responsible for encounter, maybe? I'm not well-versed enough in all these rules, but I think if maybe an encounter mode is going, then yeah, it's probably still open for business, but otherwise you have to qualify and all of that jazz. I don't know. I hoping they don rely too much on that unless you have to do it during a mode so we see We see there The other thing that hard to miss is that big beautiful green goblin in the back that they call the child That's what they call him, right? The green goblin? The green goblin. Yeah, the child back there, or Baby Yoda, as some refer to. Some of you weirdos call him Grogu.
    35:38
    What do you think about that? That is... I think it looks fantastic in that game. It is. Don't you shit on Grogu. I'm not going to shit on Grogu because it's the only reason why, not the only reason, Star Wars is huge and all that jazz, but Baby Yoda, or Grogu, whatever you want to call him, is just, it transcends, like, everyone, no one doesn't care about that. Everybody puddles from Baby Yoda, yes. Yeah. Like, the girl that I'm dating at the moment, she's pretty serious about stuff, like, she's almost like the female Dennis Creasel.
    36:14
    Wow. that really turns me on that just maybe with like a slightly higher sex drive i don't know i bet creasel is working out those mattresses or whatnot um but she when she sees like baby we watched the series together like season two like when baby like whenever baby was on the screen she would just melt but any other time, she's, like, very serious and Dennis Creasel-like. Oh, okay. And then all of a sudden, baby, it'll be, she's like, oh, my God, I want one, I want one. Does she get in the mood by you feeding her prunes and licorice? I put my... I'm like, she spits it out. I'm like, I love you.
    37:03
    I love you. I say, you're not meant to eat them, and it spits it out. Like the frog episode. Oh, my God. I just want to put a wig on Dennis Creasel now. It reminds me of the part of E.T. when they put a wig on him.
    37:17
    Oh, shit. Oh, man. I lost it. Oh, shit. We love you, Dennis. God, I love you. He is going to kill me. He's going to kill me. Baby Yoda's in there. Got a magnet at his feet. Turn the ball around a bit. Mm-hmm. I think people expect it. I mean, of course, people expect everything in pinball. I want him to lift up the ball. I want him to eat the ball. I want him to do that. I want him to shoot out the ball, yeah. But interesting place. I mean, any magnet is better than no magnet, but have you ever seen a magnet, like, throwing a ball into lanes to spell something?
    37:54
    Like, whoa, what's the ball going to do? It's crazy. Oh, it went in C. Whoa. What's the ball going to do now? Oh, it went into D.
    38:03
    Magnus, you've been programmed to do all kinds of things, so hopefully we get to lock up a little bit. Maybe it stays up there. Maybe it twirls. I don't know. I like the idea of having a magnet for the force that the child can exhibit. But sure, I'm like everybody else. I would love for it to be somewhere else in the play field or for the magnet to do something else. But that's just not the case. I think at minimum what I would have loved to have seen, because the mold itself is custom. It's a beautiful mold. It dominates the entire back third of the play field. and it just looks remarkable. And everybody, it's going to make so much money. Just that plastic molding is going to make you, Ryan, a wealthy man just off of routing that game. That is such a dumb thing, but it's completely true. Yeah. If this game didn't have Baby Yoda sitting in there, it would make so much less money. It would make at least a fourth less, at least. I know. Isn't that crazy that, like, you put a figurine in a pinball machine and it will make, like, across the world, right? Let's just think about everyone collectively making money off this thing. It's going to make, like, hundreds of thousands of dollars more because of that figurine in there. Not doing anything, just the figurines in there. People are going to walk by and be like, I know that. I would go one step higher and say that is a million-dollar mold. Easy. That mold is going to make people money. Now, I would have loved to have I'm not, I'm a realist, people I knew it wasn't going to John Papaduke its way up into the right hand of Grogu I know that What John Papaduke game does that? I'm just thinking about like Magic Girl not working But I would have loved to have had little guy's eyes closed when that magnet's activated I don't think that's asking too much Maybe his little three fingers turn a little bit because his hand's already positioned in the force position. Maybe just hand turn a little bit, eyes closed, and that's where you get that force movement. I would have loved that. Look, I listened to Brian Eddy on SAPS, and he said he's not interested in making things that aren't reliable,
    40:18
    like half the neck on Stranger Things. So he learned his lesson static from now on. It's not going to break. I mean, you might get it. It's telekinesis multiple. It might, like, snap off his hands or something. It still might break, but mechanically it's not going to break because there's no mechanics in there. That's okay. The mod makers have assembled, and they are working on it as we speak. Really? Is there a thread on pin side? People are going to make it just jet around and move? There's probably, like, a $40 toy that you can buy that just runs off like a... Brian, that's cute. That's cute. Now, this is in the underbelly right now of pinball. It's in the dark seedy areas That we are collaborating together I've already got a guy working on one right now Jeez, you are going all in Like if I can't make a penalty I'll make all the next in there No, I'm going to make a game that I want And that's what I want I've got him right here, you want to hear him? Let's see if he can He just goes with the force Here he goes Oh, your balls twirling around Sounds like you recently played that game What am I looking at? I'm so confused That was the child, seven-inch figure, approximately the same size as the one in the certain pinball machine, that moves his head around, closes his eyes, lifts his little arm up to give the power. Yeah. Hmm. Interesting. It's going to happen. Another mech in the game of Mandalorian is the Razorcrest Pendulum Target. Do you go Pendulum or do you go Pendulum? I feel like there's a J in there. Pendulum.
    41:51
    Pendigidulum. Pendulum. The Razor Crest. Now, the Razor Crest doesn't move that I know of, but there's a swinging ACDC bell thing that allows the ball to go through that and access a back ramp as well. Hmm. Yeah. I guess it would just kind of, like, suck the momentum a little bit out of the ball. Maybe. And it's a shot in the back, so one would think it doesn't need less momentum. But all of the video that we've seen, it looks like it not only works well, but it looks very satisfying. It looks fun. You know what makes those shots satisfying is when you have a shaker motor and it gives you a little bit of a, just a little buzz. Yes, you're so right. And then, yeah, and because those shots, they don't kind of kinetically feel like they do anything because, you know, there's no big vibration or whatever. But that's what a shaker motor can do. And sometimes games do little tiny things like that and they're programmed so well. And then you jump on a game that doesn't have a shaker motor and you're like, what's missing here? Why does this not feel good anymore? Yeah, it doesn't feel good. Thank you for bringing that up. I've always said that it feels the same way for me, especially like a captive ball is the most boring damn thing. But when you hook a shaker up to a captive, it gives you that feedback, and it's like, oh, shit, I care about a captive ball now. Yeah, and sounds can do it as well. Oh, here he goes. I knew we were going there at some point.
    43:16
    Sound whore. I feel like I don't mud up my games enough because I'm too lazy. but some of my games, like Tron and Metallica, just have a big, fat subwoofer on them, and there's just certain sounds when you hit things, like when the hammer comes and smacks down the ball in Metallica into the coffin. Yeah. Just, like, the vibration and the boom. You really feel like there's a god in your pinball machine smacking down the ball. Super Spinner on Jurassic Park. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Oh, man. I love that. I think Josh Sharp, a friend of yours, friend of mine, he's a big modder. If you guys haven't seen Josh Sharp's collections, damn, that guy goes all out on his games. We'll talk about that. We wouldn't think so. He's pretty busy. Is that right? I think every night when he's not working his job at Raw Thrills and running IFPA in his own time, he sits there and he mods up his games. Like, this guy is the Topper King. You think you're the Topper King? Well, let's not go that far. But, yeah, I've once heard a story of him with bloodshot eyes turn around and yell at his wife, I'm putting in these plastic protectors. Back off.
    44:29
    Put the kids to bed yourself. Yeah. Like, holy shit, this guy is real. He is for real when it comes to these neon plastic protectors. Good on you, Josh. So we got the Razor Crest. Looks like a fun shot. I think if they do coat it with that shaker, it's going to be greatness. What do you think about the ramps? LeftRamp gets me tickly. It gets me a little excited because it's a long ramp. It feels like LeftRamp on Walking Dead Pro. Not the premium junk. No, not that. The smooth one on the Pro. Because it's got a distance. Even Munster's LeftRamp. Distance. Travel. It does look pretty vertical, though. Like the Premium. That is cool. It goes up quick and high. The ramps look good. I like a flowy ramp. A bit different on the Pro, isn't it? No, it's just you get plastic cross ramps on the Pro, whereas you get wire-formed cross ramps on the Premium LE. It's kind of confusing, isn't it? Why do they do that for? I don't know.
    45:31
    Plastic's cheaper, I guess. Is it though? I always thought, is it though? I thought the same thing. So I don't know. I really don't. I like both. I don't really care. I've heard as well that modders are out there making the molds for it so people can convert their prose into the Y-form. This is the way, yeah. This is the way. If you name this episode, this is the way, I'm like... Oh, man. Can I do that? Just cliche as... You're sick of the Mandalorian theme song. I'm sick of people saying this is the way on every Facebook post, every Pinside post. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thumbs up, like, like, like. I try to get cute with my this is the way. This is the way? Question mark? You've got to switch it up a little bit. So this is the way. All caps, this. This. Let's keep talking about the layout and stuff. The right ramp feels Ghostbusters premium LE-ish. Agree? Disagree? Sure. I agree. Let's get a little whip around, wrap around. Remember, nobody could make it on Ghostbusters, and everybody bitched about it. I wonder if that's going to be the way here or not. What are you talking about? You can backhand the ramp. On Ghostbuster, you can backhand it. The right ramp? Oh, the right ramp. Yeah, the right ramp. Sorry, I think I made it the left ramp. That little circle, like the Black Rose circle rampy thing. How many shots are there from left to right? Has anyone counted the shots? I think there's seven. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. You're right. I think 7 is the right amount. I think 8 is when it gets too much. And, like, 9 is no fear. You get a hybrid 8, though, because on the premium LE, that scoop drops down to make that L1 180 ramp. So you get 8.
    47:20
    Do you think it's a bit of the old guards, you know, taking some ideas from the new guards? Is that what you're saying?
    47:28
    No, it feels very champion published, though. I think you're covered there. Okay. Not always the most satisfying feel of a 180 ramp, an L1-180. I prefer a Borg-180, but I think it'd be fun. Why couldn't they make the left bank of targets drop targets for the Premium Melee instead of stand-ups? Buddies with everybody at Stern? Can you answer that?
    47:51
    You know what I do like? Which I think is a bit... I don't think people really talk about it. I like that the inserts, regardless of how many inserts there are, I like mode inserts to be like the mode shot to be a certain size they have to at least be the size that are on this pinball machine. In like some Keith Allen games and Jurassic Park there'll be like some little, some big Oh, you like uniformity. Yeah, I don't want to shoot for a shot that is lit too small. It's a psychological thing where I'm just like ah, it's probably not worth anything because it's smaller than the other one but these are all the same size. does that make sense? Yeah, you like a Ballywillian standard circle and standard arrows. I don't make a circle, just don't don't, yeah, well as long as everything's uniform on some Keith Allen games, because of the positioning and the artwork and whatnot, some inserts are smaller than others, but in a mode, it'll mean the same thing. Like, shoot this shot, then shoot this shot, but then it's like a big arrow and then a small arrow, and my brain is unable to comprehend it. It's just like, don't shoot the small shot Ryan, it's worth like less points because it's small. You want to know how big of a nerd I am? I have a favorite pinball machine insert game. Like, that was a fucking Bruce Willis input. Is it Star Trek? With Dean Stigman? It is not Star Trek. It's actually Williams Indiana Jones. That game has the best inserts in pinball, in my opinion. All of them, as a collective, you're not talking about like... Yeah, I'm saying, what game has the best looking inserts of all time? For me, it'd be Indiana Jones. it sounds like a pin side thread in the puzzle that's why i said i'm a huge pinball nerd people that's why they're listening to the show but like the mode inserts all the same size but they all tell a different story and then when you look up to the top in lanes you get indie in that wonderful nostalgic font but the eye is bigger oh man love that it is a great great looking Oh, the eye is bigger. I'm chubbing up right now. Big O for the big eye.
    49:59
    Forever unclean. Yeah. Forever unclean. You want to talk about code or you want to talk about art? Which one?
    50:08
    Let's go to Oddfest. Okay. With the eyeball scene. The eyeball scene, Randy Martinez deliver three different art packages, all very, very different, for the pro, premium, and Ellie. He is a Lucasfilms-approved artist, so he's got that going for him. He did the Star Wars comic pro and premium when that came out, and then left for some weird reason. I don't know why they're not selling that again. How do you think he did on this series of games? I mean, if I'm comparing it to other Star Wars pinball machines, then he's hashtag knocked it out of the park. Nice!
    50:47
    I mean, I think certain pinball machines, when you see the reveal, they always look way, way better in person than they do in pictures. Okay. So if the game looks amazing, like, in real life, you're blown away. If the game looks pretty good, it looks, like, awesome in real life. And I think this looks pretty good. So I think it's going to look awesome in real life. Like, I definitely have a favorite overall package, with the armor and whatnot being the LE. Oh, so your favorite trim level is the LE? From an art standpoint. Yeah, I just think the armor and him on the turret on the side looks amazing.
    51:27
    But, I mean, the premium with all the stuff going on and the explosion and walking away. Yeah, the premium is the hero shot. Yeah. You get that big blast in the background, get your comrades next to you. That's a badass shot right there. And you get him doing the little whistling nips or whatever they're called, whistling birds on the side. I don't know what they're called. But, you know, on the side of the cabinet, he's shooting out his little birds.
    51:53
    And then the pro. The pro's like a western. Yeah, it does look good. I feel like that lady who's on there with, like, the white weird hat thingy, she was only in, like, one episode. A white weird hat thingy? What is that? She's such a Star Wars nerd, aren't you?
    52:12
    I'm definitely not a Star Wars nerd. She was in one episode. I'm guessing she was meant to be that other person who got cancelled because they said something political on Twitter. Are you really going to go there on this show? I'm not going to go there. I'm not going to say what she said and whatnot. What did she say there, Ryan?
    52:31
    I don't know. Something about the Nazis. In that picture, though, I'm going to show you the picture that I'm talking about here. I'm just going to send it to you. Does Baby Yoda look not cute? Is this like the... If you zoom into that picture, just zoom into Baby Yoda's face. Is this the pro-trans light? He just doesn't look that cute in that photo. He looks cute, like, everywhere else. I don't know. Is he, like, too many lines on his face? Is he, like... Cho Catano. That's right.
    53:05
    Rosario Dawson. So, what are you talking about Baby Yoda here? He looks a little grumpy on the pro-trans light. I think he's been tanning a bit too much in that hot sun. His little nose is sunburned I would put SPF on it Little buddy These tubes on her head That's part of her It's a hat I don't think so She's just warming up her ears I think it's kind of like boobs And she's covering them up I think that's her tentacles And she's got little horns Not boobs But I don't think that she's just trying to make a statement With this hat It's got diamonds. She has, like, diamonds on the other bit. She doesn't have diamonds on her boots. Yeah, no, what I'm saying is they cover them up. Like, chicks wear little lemon stuff, but that doesn't mean their legs are zebra. I'm going to look up. You're going to look up a naked. A shakakano. Is shakakano wearing? It's not a shakakano. It ain't shakakano. A shakakano.
    54:11
    A shakakano. The Jedi Master Shark T and Pudwan Ashokatano were known for wearing their headdress with their Jedi apparel. it's a headdress. It's not boobs. You're a fucking idiot. I think it's still part of their body. It's still part of her body. Why does a shaka... It's like a glove. It's like a glove, basically. And ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to give you some really holy shit, some really great advice. Do not Google Ahsoka Tano naked. Don't do it. Do not do it. Rhyme do it. this again but everybody else it's not a hat it's part of a physiology yes huh why in the hell would she wear that ugly ass hat that gets in the way if it wasn't her that was really bad do you find sometimes when you watch things in 4k like everything looks a bit too real and you can realize that oh yeah it looked yeah you've got to see this what am i searching for google Ahsoka Tano naked.
    55:36
    You wanted to see her naked to see if she took it off. But she always wears that. Oh, my gosh. Rules.
    55:45
    Look at the images. Go to images. Do not. Well, I'll jab at the hot snake and get it. Holy shit. You guys, you nerds out there are way too much. If this gets your jollies going, wow. You know about Rule 34?
    56:07
    I don't, no. I'm in Indiana, dude. I know about little to nothing. Type in Ashakatano Rule 34. No, I don't. Oh, my God. Just do it. Why am I doing this? It's pretty much the same pictures.
    56:20
    I'm not going to lie. Pretty much the same stuff. Rule, let me read this out for everyone out there, and Dennis Creason will know this because he's a bit of a nerd. I probably need to know Leroy Jenkins, by the way. You didn't either? No, I can't believe you didn't know Everyone knows Leroy Jenkins Yeah, they know Rule 34 is If it exists, there is porn of it Oh, okay If there isn't, there will be Gotcha So like anything that's popular There's a porn version of it Alright, getting out of Star Wars porn So we got a Sokotoa Wait, wait Do you think there's Baby Yoda rule 34? Dude, no don't ruin this for me. I'm looking it up. No, there isn't. There isn't.
    57:07
    Oh, God. You sick fuck. Yes, there is. There is? So that you have pro premium LE. You prefer the LE. You're making fun of the pro translate with the Yoda. And typically when I look at, and you guys might have heard this in the first impressions video, but typically when you when a Stern game comes out, Ryan, I can pretty much quickly go to my favorite trim package for art. For this one, it was much more difficult because I do think that all three art packages stand on their own. I think they're all very, very well done. They all kind of highlight a different side of the Mandalorian license. But the fucking LE is where it's at. Jeez. Oh, my gosh. That back glass on the LE, it's curtains. When I first looked at it, I didn't know. I was like, this is kind of weird. I don't know what all these shapes are, but once you sit on that a little bit and look at it, all that mirroring, the symmetry on that LE back glass. It just looks good as a package because it's like the armor plus these helmets, like extra shiny. It looks good. And do you see the contours on the background? That's his mask. That's the contours of his mask. Ah, the shape. Yeah. All of that contour, those flares. That's the contours of the mask. That's why I love that thing. And yeah, like you said, him on that turret, forget about it. And then the Razorcrest on the other side. Here's what artists sometimes do and I think is a huge fail. If you look at the artwork on the original Star Wars Premium by Stern Pinball, you get two different art pieces on each side, which I love. I love when they have two different art pieces. But when they are so dichotomous and they differ so much, one being on land in the snow, all white, one being up in outer space black, it clashes. It looks like crap. I had to get rid of a Star Wars premium just for that very reason. It was one of my favorite games. I could not stand one side. That's your OCD. No, it just looked like, I'm like, oh, this is horrible. And then the comic premium came out. What I'm getting at is Rainy Martinez pulls this all together perfectly. You still get the same type of tone on both sides. So it's really, it sits really nice together. So I love the LE package. All of them are nice. I think all the Playfield art's about the same, but the LE package. What do you think about the outblades? I think the ones for the LE are phenomenal. I'm not as hot for the aftermarket ones for the pro and premium, but job well done then. The LEs should always have the nicest art blades. Are you down for an LE? Zach, have you contacted your distributor and got your name down? Absolutely.
    59:52
    Yeah, Nicole's got me one. Sweet. She's got me one. What about you, Brian? He's still waiting for your monopolized distributor over there.
    60:03
    I did call a lot of times, as I've mentioned. So the last call was a stern, Ryan, you're on the list. We will get to you. And I'm like, okay, bye. You didn't say how far down the list am I? No. What's the Australian distributor's name? AMD shout out to AMD over there in Australia get Ryan Cianelli get me an Ellie come on give him an Ellie he'll wear an AMD shirt at the next show I'll say good things about it on the podcast I'll help your company out I know you're struggling to sell it I need to get over there in Australia Stern laughed at me they thought I was joking man I was like I am not joking I want to get in Canada too this game was being developed Ryan while season 2 was actually airing which made it really difficult at times. But Disney would kind of give them a heads up on what to consider for the art or the code. You might leave a character out here in the back last because we're going to have some new developing characters. But they were talking about after each episode, then they could contact Disney and then get the deep dive on it. That was a bit more difficult, and Stern typically doesn't do that. That was like Bally Williams days where Johnny knew Monarch. They were like, stop the presses. Let's not make this game. It's shit. but yeah so they took a risk it doesn't sound like the same star wars that you know steve kind of hints that you know it's very difficult to work with them um i mean and we and we haven't seen kind of the final product yet so we don't know kind of like all the all the assets and how it all comes together but sound like all assets it's never been a way a way better job and that you know with this one than previous dealings with disney yeah only time is going to tell We got full assets. Your audio package includes the original score by Gustav or whatever his name is and Carl Weathers' call-outs. Who doesn't love Carl Weathers? What's your favorite Carl Weathers movie? My favorite Carl Weathers movie, you can have Rocky if you want. I don't mind. You can even get to the choppa with Predator.
    62:10
    For me, it's undeniably professional golfer Chubbs. Is that him? Just tap it in. Just tap it in, right? I didn't even correct that that was him. And then a tap, tap, tap-a-roo. Yeah, that's right. Damn alligator, dumb. Bit my hand off. Yeah, he did. Yeah. Carl Webber. He's been in so many movies. He's the best. He was in Arrested Development.
    62:40
    That was what I was going to say. It's not a movie, but Carl Webber's in Arrested Development playing himself as like a total tight ass who's like trying to buy his few games you can get a shoe going yeah for me it's Chubbs man it is honestly it's gotta be Chubbs the cool and then the happy place becomes like the guy like doing his mum or something that's right shoot him again shooters I eat pieces of shit like you I call him dealt shooter dealt is Shooter McGavin. Carl Weathers has the potential. We don't know yet, but the last Star Wars game had pretty, like, lost the call-outs, especially when you're in, like, TIE Fighter Multi-Ball and the guy's going, Jackpot! It just doesn't, it's not the right audio pitch, but Carl Weathers, fingers crossed, I'm hoping that it's the main thing. You don't think he'll be like Hopper? Okay.
    63:40
    Nah, Carl Weathers, he's not washed up, but he's at the point in his career where he's like, all right, I've got to work for this. You can afford him.
    63:50
    Yeah, you can afford him, and he's going to give you good value for money. Just like, who's the guy off Ghostbusters? Ernie Hudson. Ernie Hudson, yeah. Yeah, those are great call-outs in Ghostbusters. Ernie Hudson had some awesome call-outs, that is true. Yeah. You're a sound guy. You're big into sound. I'm not much of a sound guy, so I don't have high expectations. It's whatever. As long as you give me the original score, and if I can, we don't know, we get full video assets, but I don't know if we're going to get the sound from those assets, but that can be fixed. We just ring up your buddy, Delt31. I'm sure he will be like, absolutely, Zach. Really, really showed well on that podcast. Let me get on that custom sound package for you. We have high hopes for this Timber Machine. It's a bit of a pity we have to wait this long to see the Timber Machine, but I mean, I'm sure you're the best person to ask. People are still ordering this regardless, right? Like this, this thing, Stern is just killing it. Yeah. This, this is probably, I don't know. I'd have to go back and look. Might be the biggest release that we've experienced as a dealer. I'm talking like bigger than G and R numbers here. How does it work, Zach? Because there's an unlimited amount of premiums and pros initially, I'm guessing. But what do you mean?
    65:06
    Well, I mean, after a while they stopped making them and you have to kind of ask for them. Yeah, so their license lasts for a couple of years typically, you know. Yeah, so right now, like if you had, hypothetically, a thousand people call you up and say, I want a pro, can you tell Stern, here's an order for a thousand pros? Or do they also limit them as well? Like we don't have the capacity to, you know, we can make you this many pros and this many premiums. If I had a thousand people that wanted it, my happy ass would drive up to Chicago with a big ass smile on my face, probably just wearing a Speedo, and I would go into Gary Stern's office and say, Hey, Gare Bear, I need 1,000 pinball machines. And he would smack my ass and we'd go have a steak dinner.
    65:52
    Totally unremitted. Yeah, I don't think that they would shy away from me ordering 1,000 pinball machines of one title. They'd figure it out. Because the Australian distributor, the monopoly that's going on, so they obviously you know they're in the same situation as you but they have to get them down in containers and the word on the street is that the first container of pros has sold out on day one which I don't think has ever happened it's always just like they do the ring around for the pro like we got a couple of pros left like we want to fill the entire container oh you're talking about well that's a different story initial orders yeah oh well the no like I could have Look, I have ordered a lot of pinball machines, but no, they spread out these runs. That's what I wanted to kind of talk about here on the show. They spread out these runs where it doesn't matter if I ordered 1,000 of them. I'm not going to get 1,000 on the first run. I'm not going to get 1,000 on the second run, third run, fourth run. They will spread those out across like an entire year. It sucks. It's hard. People have to be patient on these things because it really doesn't, it kind of matters what your allotment is based on what you kind of purchase. You'll get more of an allotment in that first run than maybe somebody that only orders 10 of the titled pinball machines. If we'll say, hypothetically, round numbers. I order 100 Mandalorians, another dealer orders 10. They're not going to give me the equation because I've asked several times and would like that. But I might get more of an allotment in the first run than dealer with 10, but I'm not going to get 100. If I ordered 100 pros, I'm not going to get them. Plus, we know that they're going to do, like, a listener like they did with Avengers and Led Zeppelin, here in the States at least, where they want some proof that you're sending this first very small pro run to arcades and locations. You've got to give them evidence of that. That's how many they'll kind of send. And then the big bulk of the pro run, that'll probably fall beginning of June to mid-June, if I had to guess. Well, just letting all the fine people at Stern know that my pro is for location and pretty much the best location in Melbourne. So please make sure you have one for AMD to sell to me. Thank you. What's your location called? It's called Moondog World. Shout out to Moondog World. If you're on the island of Australia, there's no better oasis and getaway than Moondog World.
    68:20
    Moondog World? Is that what it is? Yeah, it's a brewery. They're absolutely killing it. They make beer. They had a limited edition Game of Thrones beer called the White Walker beer, and it was delicious. That's awesome. Absolutely delicious.
    68:36
    And we asked them. They did this massive promo. You can go take pictures on the Iron Throne. I'm like, do you want us to put a Game of Thrones bit more machine next to it? They're like, yes.
    68:45
    That was a really good idea. We'll do it for free. Just tag us in the social media thing, and they're like, yes, we will do that.
    68:51
    Very cool. Listener, do you like booze? Do you like pinball? Do you like beautiful people? Moondog World!
    69:00
    I know the reach of this podcast is now going to propel them to new heights. Look, it's no Twippy winner. It's no top two, but, you know, it's our little home. The capacity of this place is 770 people. I think they're going to have to increase those numbers. Absolutely, because all their customers are going to be thinking, it's bye-bye-bye all day long. So, Dwight Sullivan talked about the code of the Mandalorian. Sorry. Talked about the code of the Mandalorian.
    69:29
    A lot of breadth in this code, and when I hear that, I hear tasks, baby, and I love my tasks. When you're not in the modes, you can still be in these little mini modes. Thank God. Do you like Dwight Sullivan code? I am pretty up and down with his code. There's some machines that I absolutely love. There are some machines that I don't click with. What didn't you click with, Dwight? Or what did you really click with? I really click with Getaway High Speed 2. I just, I'm obsessed with that game. You know what? I know it doesn't have staying power, but I will never, ever get sick of hitting jackpots and shooting jackpots in that game. Like, it just makes me so excited for the siren to be going off and it goes, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Bam!
    70:15
    It's just, you talk about moments all the time. It's an amazing moment. That is one hell of a moment. Ghostbusters is fun. I don't think it's cohesive enough for me to like and enjoy because I get confused about the game celebrating me when it's not and not celebrating me when it should.
    70:35
    You've been running that whole super jackpot gag since Head to Head. Yeah. It hasn changed Zach It true Yeah it hasn changed it the same thing I it the best TMNT I definitely don know the rules of it I've probably played you know 50 games on it but it's just one of those games that I don't refuse to learn how to play but it just doesn't it might be layout too quick for me can't like light up my shots but I don't know I don't it's just that's a theme thing as well what else has Dwight done Game of Thrones yeah Game of Thrones is good it's a fun game I like that one that's definitely a hit let's get some moments in there on Game of Thrones and then before Game of Thrones it was um like that was his first game back at Stern so you have to go all the way back to like what about Star Wars I've had Star Wars in my house I have a premium now you know it's cool that's lightsaber battle but it's that's I know you're not a points guy but you know all those worth as much as just like Battle of the Emperor. 40X. Who gives a shit about score? I do. I thought we were talking about actual feel good and, like, moments and magic and fun. I didn't know we were talking about that. Why can't we have them all, Zach? Why can't the moment match up with score and balance and everything? That's when it's a good moment. Yeah, but if I had a little conflict with the co-host by going all in, then it makes it a little bit more entertaining for the listener. Of course, yeah. Of course, fine. Like, of course, yeah. I get that too. Can you imagine if the getaway high speed, like super jackpot, it just goes off and just goes nuts and celebrates you. And it's just like 250,000 points. You'd be like, ah, what the fuck? That's nothing. Like don't, don't go and play Ghostbusters again.
    72:24
    Triple super jackpot. 1.5 million. Yeah. I get the whole score balance issue. I get that all, but yeah, but I think by the way that Dwight sounded on the podcast that I listened to, it seems like it's a bit more reined in. Because we know Dwight. Dwight exists on another plane of existence, which is, I'm not saying that in a bad way. Like, Dwight is a very excitable guy. I've met him in real life, and he's like that. Like, a guy in Australia flew him down, and we had like a Dwight Sullivan event. We ran an event for him, and we chatted to him, and he's an amazing dude. But I think, and he's very excited. He gets ideas in his head and he wants to execute them and you'll see the stone video with Deadflip, you'll see Dwight just go nuts. That's like he gets excited and he loves getting excited about pinball and his passion is infectious. He integrates that theme so well though that sometimes other coders miss. Sometimes other coders just have this flat emotional tone to their games that Dwight never misses. That's what I do love about him. You think every game is an emotional journey for you. Well, kind of like how you talk about being in one, like an avatar of your banshee of a pinball machine. Yeah.
    73:47
    I should elicit emotion. I should be wanting to fight it. I should get angry. I should get happy and elated. That's what pinball is to me. The one thing I found a bit weird about one of the interview questions with Dwight is I think it was Christian. Great interview. Super awesome pinball show. yep christian line he is is he has to be the best interviewer interviewer out at the moment like the questions that he was asking just on point he is really good he is where did he come from all the sudden he's just like he's just like he was just like the funny guy in the background of like mrs pin's podcast just like laughing at his wife's jokes and then all of a sudden he's like doing the best interviews out there i mean not all of a sudden it's been like five years but he's very intelligent and he's very passionate about pinball so that helps definitely but dwight was like i think uh christian dr pin said something like ah so it kind of happens randomly like upside down and stranger things and dwight was like i don't know what that is oh really i'm like what like don't isn't every certain employee like forced to play all these games all the time 15 minutes a day that's why i'm saying i feel like dwight um lives in like his own little bubble which i think has its positives and negatives, right? Like, its positives are that he creates, like, very unique rule sets that aren't really like, you know, I'm going to borrow this from this machine and this from this machine and copy and paste.
    75:16
    But also, it's kind of like it could go either way. Yeah, he's got his own codography that he builds upon. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. I don't know what happened to Munsters, but, yeah, overall, other ones, I'm with you. Just ignore Munsters. I mean, there was a great, there was a great on that Pimble machine and then it got deleted at the last minute, so that machine's dead to me. We got deleted? Oh.
    75:40
    I don't think we've made that public. Really? No. I'll make it public right now. Zachary Mennie and Greg Bone were on the Pimble machine and they got deleted at the last minute.
    75:53
    Ah, we're getting a call from Stern today. And now Zach is on zero Pimble machines and he's very bitter about it. I don't want it on any damn pinball machines. You know what? Raymond, can you put a flipper code for Zach? No. No, Ryan. You know I don't. Fuck that. I don't want any flipper codes. Zach many is on there zero time. I don't want any flipper codes. I don't want any of that. I'm going to have a competition with Pinball Adventures and I'm going to make a better pinball machine than Punny Factory. How can you get Punny Factory? I don't know. I'll make my mark in pinball not by a flipper code, not by artwork in the outlanes that was superior than what they ended up going with. No. It will be. Here's my model for life, people. Don't rely on anybody else. If you want the job done, do it yourself. I'll make my own damn pinball machine. If I want a flipper code, I'll put it in there. That's where I'm at. So, 2000 and. How about at least a high school? Like a default high school. Nope, don't want it. Don't want it? Nope, don't want it. How about a tippy? Do you want that?
    76:54
    How inferior do you feel? On a scale of 1 through 10, 3. 3, yeah. When you have a nice, big, healthy ego like me, I still believe that I produce the funnest and most entertaining podcast, so it doesn't matter who I don't interview or what rumors I stir up. I'm here to be with the Creaslin, to be with you guys. I'm just giving you shit. Am I the only international guest that you have, Zach? Like, you've got Dennis and then... Don't accuse me of being an internationalist now. We can do so many things. No, I'm honest. I think I'm your own. A continentist. Would I be a continentist? I think I've had somebody from Canada on here. Nah, you guys are in bed with Canada. Well, yeah. You guys are, what do you call it before? Fuck buddies? That's right. Do you actually say that?
    77:49
    Yeah, maybe you were the only ones. I want to get Martin Robbins, but he's like a coder now and too important. He's pretty important I tried to call him the other day and he's just like Are you in the pinball industry Ryan? Fuck off I thought his secretary would answer Martin Robbins And who's calling? How do you spell your last name? He'll get back to you Tom Cobra hates Shaker Motors Co-op is going to be in this game Thank God You've got some kind of trading system with Beskar Which I think may be interesting If they make it a little bit more dynamic than that on Game of Thrones Impossible Play. Did you hear about this? Yeah, sounds awesome. I think it sounds cool. Some people are already poo-pooing it. It's extra. Like, they don't need to put it in there. You don't need to go into it. You're not forced into it. So anything that adds, like, a fun little mode that you can play with your friends. Yeah, and it's not like it's giving away the wizard mode, how a lot of these people are doing. So I think it's great. It is a pretty strange time that we're dealing with now, right? Like, you know, every Stern game comes out with, like, a secondary mode, and, you know, we're kind of taking it for granted at the moment, but these are all pretty damn cool things that we can press a button and play a little wizard mode or play co-op, and now co-op plus a different mode type. That's pretty cool. And I know about some of the inner workings at Stern, but this next guest is something I know nothing about, so this is pure guessing. It feels like they're laying a nice foundation on these little modes before they announce Internet connectivity. Just throwing that out there. I'm just saying people pick up on what people are loving about Stern pinball machines, and one of them is those competitive little modes that you can start at the beginning of a game. And I don't know. Just remember I said that. That's all. Wouldn't it be cool to just have, like, a, you know, the Stern score bit? Stern bit. I'm sure that's what they call it. Trademark line. Don't copy that, please. Stern bit. I like it. Yo, dude, you want Stern bit tonight? Yeah.
    79:54
    The Stern bit. You know, the Stern online gaming experience, and everyone has their little app and their login, and everyone buys the new Star Wars, which is, like, the hottest game at the moment, and you have your high scores, but it's like, hey, let's have a challenge in our group tonight. Let's create a little league. Then you add everyone. You're like, I'm going to add Eric and Axel and Dave and we have like five people in our little league. And let's just go nuts and let's see who can get the highest score in this impossible mode or, you know, there's 10 different things. But to be on the network, you know, you go down to the DLC, so you're paying $100 extra for the modes and you're paying your $10 a month to be on the network, whatever. This is all just a guess as well, but people would eat that shit up, including me. And if they had tasks. Like, if they had tasks, like, you get little check marks. Like, yeah, we're going to start this tournament. Here's the ten little check marks that we've got to get, or ten tasks. Let's see, after we take turns playing, who can get the most, you know, the... Yeah, I could see all of that.
    80:56
    Yeah. Trophies? They're going to do something with those trophies. Yeah, someone dropped a hint for Avengers a while ago, I think. I think it was Raymond or someone, like, yeah, that'll... Elwynn or something, yeah. Yeah, trophies, just like there's a PlayStation with trophies. Yeah, let's get 100%. Let's putt them in this game. Mando Chat was also on Super Awesome Pinball Show, as you've been alluding to, Ryan, where Brian Eddy told us that Luke Skywalker is incorporated into a wizard mode. Ooh. That's really cool. And, yeah, you said the child isn't animated because it needs to be bulletproof. I feel like that's kind of an excuse that we're hearing. Yeah. Like, everybody's like, oh, these things got to run in a location. They've got to be able to run marathon. It's like, come on. Like, give me something that will break after every hundred. I don't care. I want cool shit. What? Do not say that. Take that back. No. Give me $1,000 toppers that are cool. Give me shit that breaks that I have to rebuy. Just give me cool shit. Don't cut me short just because you want my game to last 10,000 plays. No. I only live once. I'm the guy that takes the plastic thing off of the front of your electronics. I want to experience the fun stuff. Dude, you fucking complain about broken pimmel machines all the time, and then you pull out the line, give me something that'll break after 100 plays. If I can swap it easy. So you want a mechanical... Like the reason that Grogu doesn't move is because we want it to last on location? What? Who gives a shit? No.
    82:32
    I'll pay $100 more for that machine, $500 more for that machine for a Grogu to move. You think they should have done a super alley with the Grogu that eats the balls?
    82:41
    Absolutely, sure. Yeah. Absolutely. People would spend $50,000 on that game. 50 grand. $50,000 on a fully featured game that is unlike anything else in pinball. Is that what your pinball adventures competition pin is going to be? it's going to be... Don't worry about it, all right? Okay. No, my competition series pins are more basic.
    83:07
    No, not competition series pins. I've got ten of those in the work, yeah. Okay. You're a busy guy. If you can't rely on anybody else, you've got to do it yourself. I've heard that before. I do love that Dwight threw kind of a hissy fit. I love it when they were talking about like four wizard modes on SAF, and he was like, I'm here to clear the air. There are not many wizard modes. They are wizard modes. standalone wizard motes. And I was like, get you some, Dwight. That's right. They are wizard motes. When you code them into moments like he does, they're wizard motes. Let's stop calling them mini wizard motes. Dwight Sullivan at 2x speed is just like unbelievable. I know you don't... Yeah, I'm just like, is he... How many lines has this guy done? No shit. He doesn't need to be at 2x speed. You need to like... I probably still say I'm a tea stoner. Yeah. Sound like Rory. I've got you at like around 1.8 or so. So it's very surreal talking to you right now. It's like slow motion, Zach. Yeah.
    84:10
    He talks about ball staging on the mini play field when you start a wizard mode. I think it's a you have what I want wizard mode. Those are the kind of moments I'm looking for, ball staging. So you pop it up there and then it rests. It holds it up, holds up the left flipper, holds your ball. That's so cool. So it holds it automatically without you...
    84:31
    Yeah, but you remember Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles where the left flipper automatically goes up so the balls can be diverted to the magnet? Yes. Yes, it's like that, but it's programmed for the left flipper to hold up, the balls stay there, kicks out another ball into the trough, into play, and then when you qualify after the first stage, boom, second stage starts, here comes the ball. That's cool.
    84:52
    Okay, so it's staged, but then at one point it's going to let go and you have to not let it drain down the middle. That'll probably give you a warning.
    85:00
    TSPP, pop, pop, pop. Wonka, pop, pop, pop, pop. Watch out, watch out. Pop, pop, pop. Do you like those warnings? Yeah.
    85:12
    Well, I appreciate them. But then if you can fly by them with a little quick double press, I'd appreciate it even more. It's not like a fucking American pinball game where you can't even restart the game. Good Lord, Josh Coogler. That's why I don't have any in my collection. I'm going to be honest with you guys. I don't have an American Pinball machine in my collection because you can't restart the game. And then if you have a bad ball one... Yes, but hold the start button. That's how everybody else works it. Okay, sometimes it's quicker just to open the coin door. No, it's not. And then go menu back. And then you've got to wait for P-Rock to fucking boot back up. No, just let me press the start button. Oh, nothing makes any more sense. Like, just play your balls out? Because you could have a bad ball... I don't know. No, I'm not going to tell you that. No, don't. You do the same thing. I do. Yeah, especially if you're playing like a really ass kicker that you know you're going to need a good ball one. Yeah, like Metallica. If I haven't progressed to anything, I know you hate Metallica and you think it's a woodchopper and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, if I haven't chopped enough wood on the first ball, I'm like, well, I might as well just start again. I've only hit 20 tombstones I need 70 restart that one spooky is the same way not as bad if you restart a spooky you're going to have to wait 30 seconds just because it's like well the ball's going to go in the trough then it's going to clear it then it's going to wait then it's going to reset like okay it's still better than American pinballs sorry no restart for you I stopped doing it on Rick and Morty because it gives you shit for it and I thought it was hilarious the first time And then kind of all the other times, I'm just like, all right, I guess I won't restart anymore. Hey, you big-ass loser. Why don't you go play something else? Overall, though, as a close here, I am super excited about this game. I love everything new, shiny, and fans. Everybody knows that. I get ridiculed a lot for, you like everything shiny and new. And it's true. I am guilty of that. This one in particular really stands out to me, though, over the last handful of releases. Maybe I wasn't as excited since Stranger Things, but this one, there's just so many check marks for me personally in the style of my play and collecting that it checks so many boxes that I'm really eager to own this thing. Yeah, I agree in the way that there really isn't anything that people are complaining about too much, I don't think. I mean, if you really look for it, you can find people complaining about it. Yeah, a non-moving Grogu, that's about it. Yeah, but I mean, it's Star Wars. If you can kind of compare the reaction to the one that got revealed four years ago to now, this is like a shining beacon of light. Oh, yeah. I don't think there's anything that is selling this people. It's not like, oh my gosh, zombie art. Get this machine. Look how amazing it looks. Oh, this toy is amazing. Get it. It shoots. It's a Keith Allen. Get it because of the designer. I think the license is what's carrying it. and then, kind of like you said, the checkboxes, like everything else is being checked. So it's like, well, I guess I'm getting this game because nothing's really disappointing. Ryan, this is one of the most original layouts that we've seen at Stern in the last decade.
    88:31
    That doesn't mean anything if it's not fun to shoot, and we don't know that yet. Good point. But we thought we were getting a shadow, man. Everybody thought, oh, we're getting a shadow, and we get that shadow loop, we get that third flip. No, this is unlike anything that we've really seen. And it's a funky layout. I think that's a big seller too. Funky. Of course, 2A to the 1A of a theme. But the layout is really original and novel. And I think a lot of people like that. It doesn't feel baked over by a Game of Thrones or baked over by a regular fan layout. It's really different. I guess this is the first time that we're seeing the duo of Dwight Sullivan and Brian Eddy. Hell yeah. Um, so, I mean, Brian Eddy, someone Boone for Shadow, Dave Boone or something. No, that's a cricket player. No, the Boone is, the Boone was in there, though. Yeah, it's not David Boone. David Boone, I just plucked out of mid-air. He's a famous Australian cricket player. It's definitely him. Um, someone Boone. And, um... Ed Boone. Is it Ed Boone? Yeah.
    89:37
    Get old, Ed Boone. And then we've got Lyman Sheaf on his other two games, and then Lonnie D. Ropp on Stranger things. So, I think it's always interesting when two people that are kind of veterans to the industry are working together. It's like, what does this mix what does it create? You know? Because I think that's important because... Yeah, Dennis was poo-pooing me last week when I was saying I like when they mix up these teams a little bit. You get a different feeling type of game. A hundred percent. Thank you. Yeah. Aw, my little ride bread. You bring out Walking Dead with, like, someone else and it would have been the worst game ever. Like, that layout is not... I'm not going to say it's not a good layout. I think it's a great layout, personally, but... With the code, take the code away. Like, the first version of that game without, like, all the lime and magic, like, the basic code, it was just... It just sucks. Like, it wasn't rewarding. It needs the code and then you're like, oh my gosh, this layout is amazing because it's so risky and you have to go to the truck and you're trying to survive. Yeah. I think that gets said a lot, but man, that riot shot, that is a great shot. The left ramp on the pro, great shot. Through the pops orbit, great shot. Do you like hitting riot shot when nothing's happening, or do you like hitting riot shot when you've got, like, well-welcome multi-ball going on, bloodbath, riot, and 2X? That's what makes it good. No, it's not. You know, it's a great shot. Where are you going to see that shot at in another pinball machine? Okay, what are you describing the shot? Like a dead, kind of like a loose The geometry, the design What's satisfying to you? The way the ball just kind of like squeezes in there? Oh yeah, when you get that it's kind of like the Tron shot but when you get that shot right in there like you know right when it leaves the flipper if it's going in or not and I like that you can bank it off Well Walker from that left flipper consistently-ish to get that shot and through the pop's orbit Is there nothing more buttery and satisfying in that orbit? Now, the geometry of the feed from the pops to the drain is a flaw.
    91:46
    But other than that, in that left ramp on the premium LE is a design mistake. I agree to disagree on The Walking Dead, but we can both agree that new... That code is where it's at, yeah. Well, no, we're agreeing that people working together that never worked together before, that have been in the industry for 20-plus years and have never collaborated. It's exciting. Who could win a fistfight between them two? Brian and Dwight Sullivan. He would just be all over him. He'd do his couple of... No, I can't say that. Brian and Eddie was just smiling. He just smiles all the time. So I can't see him ever fighting. He's just... Show us your pearly whites. Speaking of stirring pinball, my homie Gomi was on Saps as well. The second best pinball podcast at the moment. Fireside Chat, he talked about a lot of things. George Gomez is always fun to listen to. We've heard a lot of his stories before, but he did confirm that the extra gold trim for WWE, they still have some around. He didn't even know that was an issue, but yeah. They also talked about the topper craze. Toppers.
    92:53
    Ryan, do you love toppers as much as me? I will accept a topper on my pinball machine. I will probably not buy one. If I buy it secondhand, I'm not going to say, get that topper off the pinball machine, but I've never bought a ton of them before. You don't like safe purchases in pinball, I guess?
    93:11
    You don't like increasing the value of your thing by tenfold in a year? I guess you don't do the cryptos like the kids and stuff? Dude, do you know if you bought just $10,000 worth of Dogecoin, you would have been a fucking millionaire, man. Listen, guys, you guys are dumbasses. You guys are losers and nerds. If you just put $100 in crypto back in 84, then boy, oh boy, you wouldn't be listening to me hack it out on a pinball podcast.
    93:43
    They were talking about toppers and talked about the craze going on with toppers right now. He said regarding a recent topper, they added and re-upped a license just so they can make more toppers.
    93:58
    That's insane. George Gomez couldn't remember which one it was He said quote it might have been Guardians No They would not Guardians Tupper isn't a hot seller Surely Absolutely it is I broke my Guardians Tupper Can you help me out here Zach I can't If I had another one of you Aussies ask me to ship a fucking Tupper Oh my god Who did I help last time They dropped your name I think It might have been Jared. I got it for him. It wasn't even for Jared either. So I didn't break it like it's fried or anything. I went to lift up the head box on my Guardians when I bought it second hand with a topper and I stupidly grabbed it like from the topper because I was in front of the pinball machine and I heard... Grabbed the booty rate? Isn't that what it's called? Just the... Those plastics? The booty rates?
    94:56
    Well, the perspex with the shadows of the Guardians just snapped. Bam. And I've glued it back on because they gave me a price of like $260 for the Perspex. I'm like, it's just Perspex. What? It's just the front of it. Like, it's not the lights and all the mold. Oh, wow. It's just the Perspex. Did they say training up, Ryan? Training up. Yes.
    95:19
    I couldn't do it. I just glued it back on. It looks horrible. Yeah, I was just going to say, it probably looks bad. I guess that's what they have to do. If a topper is pretty simple, they have to componentize, like, the prices. They're like, okay, if you break this, it's worth this crazy amount, you know? Because if they're like, okay, yeah, it's just, like, $10 a piece of plastic. It's like, well, why not? Like, if you break a plastic that's not in your goodie bag on a game, for the most part, I think you have to buy the whole set. I don't believe they sell individual pieces of plastic. Do you know that? I don't break my machines. They're bulletproof because they're all by Brian Eddy. Gomez was talking about I think he was talking about like playfield protectors Or hardtops calling them junk I don't know if he used the word junk But he basically said they suck The ball slides it doesn't roll And like it hits targets at a different height Because there was engineered for wood But then you're adding this little Thin piece of plastic Over the top of it He wasn't really into it He was coming on strong too when it came about Clear coats or like Haggis' You know hybrid play field. Did they actually talk about the Haggis hybrid play field? I think Franchi mentioned Haggis and then George said, yeah, I know that there's guys out there that are kind of mixing it up and doing some different polycarbonate mixtures and different things. I mean, it's not his position at Stern Pimble to say, yeah, the Haggis guys have figured it out and they're doing the best thing and we're not doing it. So obviously he's going to poo-poo. But, I mean, just on that, like, you know, only a certain amount of Haggis games have shifted. So everyone's giving them the benefit of the doubt, and I'm not saying otherwise, but no one knows, like, the long term. No one knows. He's talking about dimples in play fields. He said it's due to several layers of super glossy clear coat on these new games. He said, look at your 90s games. It had dimples. It has orange peel going on some of the games. He said it's a hard coat issue. It's not even the wood. A lot of people think it's the wood or the wood grain. He said, no, it's not. It's none of that. It's a hard coat issue.
    97:27
    And he said, people are saying wood's softer. He said, quote, it's bullshit. And he talked about it's the layers of clear that we now put on these games.
    97:37
    Why are the layers of the clear such bad quality, though? They add more layers of clear. And that's what Charlie Emery said as well. He said they didn't clear the clay fields back in the 90s. Why is my dressy puff chipping? Because of the clear. So much clear.
    97:53
    But my homie Gomi did say they are researching how to accommodate the collectors by looking at other substances or maybe even harder woods. But he said, like, with some of the super hard woods, it's just too pricey for pinball. Your wood doesn't need to be that hard for pinball. It's just overboard.
    98:10
    That's a funny statement because it's, like, it's too pricey for you, but it's not too pricey for everyone else who's, like, paying to their ass for these pinball sheets. Yeah, we're paying $1,000 toppers. I'm paying for a $50,000 Mandalorian with a moving Grogu. Like, we will pay for it. But I don't think they're so much worried about the top-tier collectors. They're worried about, you know, getting this game to the masses. So I can understand that. He said, is it a problem? Should we aspire to fix it? Yes. But he also just wants you to play your game, have fun. Don't get too damn bogged down with, don't play it then. Like, I don't, this is a toy. This is a game. When everyone says this and they're from a pinball machine manufacturer, I feel like saying or distributor I know they're passionate about Pimble but I feel like if I shadow them for a week and you know George Gomez is passionate about other things in life like say he's really passionate about tea he likes cars you can use the car argument if you want yeah like he likes cars and then you know he's complaining about something to his car manufacturer and they're like George just drive it enjoy it like don't concentrate on the fact that like this is broken or not, you know, how it used to be. I know it's a bit of a shitty example, but like... Right now I'm picturing you standing 10 feet away from his Porsche and taking a golf driver and just whacking a ball to the side panel of it and being like, it's just a dimple, George. It still drives the same. It still drives fine. I know it's a bit of a different example, and I agree with him in that, like, you should just enjoy your pinball, but George Gomez doesn't play pinball like we play pinball because... Oh, bold there, Cotton. He doesn't. Okay, I don't know George Gomez. I have no clue. I'm not saying he's not passionate about it, but he earns different money than me and you do.
    99:57
    And he's involved in the process, but he isn't an enthusiast collector. So it's hard to tell someone that, I think. I know. I'm kind of with him, and people get mad at me all the time when I'm like, it does matter. Ultimately, it does matter. It's an issue. Ultimately, it's an issue. But what are we going to do with it? every manufacturer has these issues. You name me a manufacturer, I'll name you the issues I have. Like, every one of them's got it. I want them all to fix it. That actually brings me to a little game that I want to play, and we can just segue into this, and you can go back to the interview if you want. How big of a f*** up is that defect?
    100:35
    I looked the other day, I don't know what I was doing, at how many manufacturers there are currently for pinball, and I came across a Wikipedia article, and while we were setting up for this podcast, I actually deleted one of them because there was some bullshit company on it that wasn't actually one. But let me read out the list from Wikipedia. Robert Mueller's trying his hardest. Like, I don't... All this bashing of the four guys. Hemistree Boundary's trying.
    101:03
    I'm going to list a manufacturer and you tell me a pinball machine that came out from them. You ready? American Pinball.
    101:10
    Houdini. Chicago Gaming Company. Attack from Mars Dutch Trimble Alien Haggis Kelts Homepin Thunderbirds Jersey Jack Woz Multimorphic Flexi Lightspeed Penny K. Pimble Penny K.? Yeah, Penny K. Pimble Man, they need me for marketing. I don't know. I don't know either.
    101:43
    Penicay? It's listed on Wikipedia as a current manufacturer. I should delete that one as well. I don't know what it is. Penicay pinball.
    101:51
    All right. Phoenix pinball. I don't know. I thought they did restores, but no. I think they were released. It doesn't have a link to the website, but weren't they doing like the pinball Olympics, but they got in trouble for using the word Olympics? Oh, that's right. the little gremlin bastard yeah gremlin olympics or something quick quetzal pinball quetzal pinball uh nemo yeah and they what happened to that um fastest furious i believe right yeah oh yeah i don't know spooky uh yeah america's most honored stern you know stone walking dead team pinball Mafia and the other one that was on there was Escapism Pinball which I don't think is a real thing but I added Pinball Adventures because I think they deserve Pinball porn unfortunately Deep Root is not listed there either and I'm not going to oh man what about Pinball Brothers why isn't that there oh yeah they're not there either Highway Pinball no Wikipedia's not very good for information or Pinball Adventures can someone email Zach and let us know what Penny K. Pinball is.
    103:08
    pinballnetwork at gmail.com Anything else in the interview that you wanted to cover? No, but I wanted to talk about, I heard recently that you picked up a new game that wasn't the easiest to obtain. That's right. After playing this game at TPF in 2017, which was 1984's Gottlieb slash Milestar Alienstar, I kind of fell in love with the game and I was just like I made a deal with Ryan Wenger to sell me the machine when it was time and it just never should have come with pinball best LEDs in the business absolutely definitely better than coin takers shade here I had a pinball machine full of coin taker LEDs it was a very early run ACDC and all the things died out And it was on the LED. It's like CT coin taker. So it was like they branded their own LEDs. It died. Anyway. I like working with Melissa. I like working with coin taker. But if we try to have an argument in pinball anymore about what the bulb is and it's not a Comet pinball, objectively, you guys are just wrong. Comet pinball LEDs are easily the best. Period.
    104:24
    Okay. Go ahead. So anyway, I seem to always have a grail pinball machine. and not a grail, it doesn't sound like the Holy Grail of Pitbull. You had Meat Gazer there for a while. Yeah, for a while it was Quicksilver and then it was Star Gazer and then it became Alien Star and Alien Star just took a long time to track down and then I imported it from the US, it came from New York. Wow. Yeah, I talked to a couple of people. I mean, I probably could have got one a long time ago, but I was trying to find one locally or wait for Mr. Comet Pinball. But now that I've got it, I'm, you know, I mean, it's kind of satisfying. The hunt, I think, is the most fun part of it. But it's kind of, it doesn't feel empty, but I'm like, well, now I don't have anything. Now I'm not searching for anything besides maybe another thing. You don't have the next one that you're looking for? No, I think I found it. I mean, I mean, I could be really fun to try and find the dragon fists because they're impossible to find here. That's a good one Do you have one at the moment, Zach? I mean, you're in the US, so There sure as a hell isn't Alien Star Have you played one before? Yeah, talk about the Trojan horse of pinball Oh, this thing looks cool It's a beautiful looking game And you play it and it's all like a fucking spirit It's boring I don't get into Alien Star But I am the last person listening when it comes to old games Do you like any old games? From the 80s? Yeah, I've got a Stargazer being built right now. Okay.
    106:03
    But do you like it or do you just want to say I have a Stargazer saying I flex No I like it I like three spinners I like the funky little slings and the rollovers Yeah it's a fun game I want to play it It's fun I love Meteor I love Beatles I like older style games Are you talking about Beatles from 1980 Or the Boydles No the good game The good game Yeah, I like those games. So do you have a game besides Stargazers you're making?
    106:39
    Sure. I always have, but now I'm snooty with my selection because I only have certain space and money. So I did recently get a very mint Corvette. Shout out to Matt Morrison for helping me with that. Bill Webb helped me get an NBA Fastbreak. I'm chasing more condition now, Brian and listeners. than I am certain titles. So I have a list of games that I want, like B-level Valley Williams stuff, but I want them the nicest in the world. Hmm, okay. So you wouldn't buy it? It's like brand new, and that's impossible to find. You can't find a Corvette. You wouldn't buy it all junked up and give it to some restorer and say, make this better? You just want to find it ready to go. Yeah, the tough part is, like, not to nerd out too much here, listener, but for titles that I really want in the collection, I want them restored or minty to the point that nobody's ever going to find one again like that. And there are some of the titles that they don't repro stuff on. So finding a radical play field is impossible or finding radical ramps. All of them, I know some are being reproed, but maybe not all of them. Plastic sets, black rows, finding a black rows play field that doesn't have any cannon wear or sink ship insert wear. Corvette, you can't find a Corvette with ramps that aren't busted up. So, yeah, those kind of titles are what I'm chasing for. So right now I would love a mint or a fully restored whitewater. That would be on the list. You sound like such an elitist. I'm like, here I am. I'm just telling you the truth. It took me four years to find some beat-up piece of shit game, and you're like, what do you search for, Zach? I search for the nicest machines out there. Yeah, that's what I want. I'd rather pay double on something that's going to be the nicest possible. You lucky bastard. Why? You can do the same thing. You just have to ask for it. I'm saying if you want to buy an Alien Star, you can get one in a week. But they never shipped to Australia. They never came down here. That's odd. That is weird. So they're all imports. That is really weird. Yeah, Whitewater I'm chasing for. I'm trying to think if there's anything else. I'm getting a World Cup soccer restored right now, so I'm looking forward to that. I have a whitewater, but it came without the topper. Do I actually have a whitewater, or do I just have some complete machine? No. Oh, my God. Like Josh Sharpe's Fishtails with no topper. What in the hell?
    109:14
    I think we need to go into pinball market trends. Let's do it. Listener, for those of you out there who have not heard the podcast and you're just here because of the referral for Ryan C, feel sorry for you. It must be AMD customers over there. Shout out, AMD, over on the island there. I want to make it out to Australia sometime. I want to do a SDTM tour of Australia. Is your SDTM tour like a charade to set up your flipping out down under distribution center?
    109:48
    There's several reasons to go overseas, but Stern won't let me do it. There's no use. Maybe you can distribute their other stuff like JJP's Yeah JJP's American Chicago Gaming Maybe that but then I'd have to find An employee to run it and I don't know Can I trust the Aussies Well we're a country founded on convicts So Definitely There's the answer Ladies and gentlemen your favorite pinball podcast Segment of all time Even better than what you guys do over at Head to Head Slaying the Top 100 Something like that I think that's what you guys did. Just did it over and over again. Never changed it up. I know you love that. Man, I miss head to head. Whatever happened?
    110:32
    Ladies and gentlemen, unequivocally, it is your love child. Pinball Market Trends. You like that? No. Why not? But at least you didn't destroy the ears of every person listening with headphones. No. I listen to you when I'm in the car. When I can hear it coming, I just want to dance a little bit. No, I reserved that for this.
    111:03
    Just a touch of a button, my friend. Turning up this week, surprise, surprise, the Mandalorian. Man, that's really a stretch of a thing. The Mandalorian is turning up this week because it is on a sales force right now. Stern right now knows what it feels like to be Jersey Jack Pinball releasing GNR. Stern's like, holy shit, we're not going to be able to keep up with making enough Mandalorians. Sure, the Sterns on a different scale, but I'm saying even on a different scale, they finally know what it feels like. Last time they felt like this was kind of maybe a little Avengers action. I mean, making thousands upon thousands of these damn things. And for the most part, the Mandalorian is trending up because people are fighting, like on Black Friday to get their cabbage patch Manzalorian Pro. I want the first run. Can I get the first run? What's it going to take to get the first run, Zach? You know how much money has been trying to slip underneath my door? Hey, let me get it on that first run. People are itching. For a pro? People are trying to pay over as a pro? Yes.
    112:03
    To put it on location? Just because they want it. Just because they want it first. They want it now.
    112:10
    We're on the scaled system now. It's crazy. And some of the decision-making by the dealers over here in the U.S., I would guess, overseas as well. Shout out to AMD.
    112:21
    Maybe they're getting thousands more than MSRP. I don't know. I have no clue how other dealers, some dealers, I know how they're doing it. But I think it probably gets even darker in stories that we haven't heard yet. Mandalorian LEs are up right now. I'd say the going price for a Mandalorian LE is $14,000 to $15,000. Jeez. Oh my God. I have an idea, Zach. Flippin' Out Pinball. Shiny, great company. You at the head. Very ethical. Sponsoring all the podcasts. Lots of shilling, right? Lots of shilling. It's all good. Thumbs up. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Set up another... And you can't do all this shady shit that's going to make you lots of money. Why don't you do what other companies do and set up a separate company, right? You become a distributor times two. But it's like... Like, flipping down. Flipping down, Pimble. Right? It's different. Oh, my God. It's run by you in the background that you put some guy that people can hate on, and he can take the heat, and then you make all the money through there. So you double-dig it. Wow. That's smart. Wow. You sell enough Pimble machines that you can just set up a separate company and just do it. It's being done. It's being done? What? Yeah, people are doing that right now. What do you mean? There's a distributor that has two companies.
    113:43
    You know what? They're doing a damn good job then if you're just now bringing it up all perplexed like that. Nicely done. Yes, that kind of stuff. As in they're on the website twice. There's so much shit in pinball. Wow. It is a good idea if it's being done. Yeah, people are doing that. You know, I... What would my company be called? My other company.
    114:07
    Hmm. It wouldn't matter. What is it flipping down? No, I mean like just pinballs are up. Nudging out. Nudging out pinball. Nudging out. I got it. I've got it. Everybody loves coin taker. Hell, I love coin taker. Note taker. I'm not much of a coin taker, Rye. I'm a coin giffer.
    114:27
    I think I'm going to go with coin giffer. That's my competition. Coin giffer. Some people like to take coins. I like to gif. Also trending out this week is Stern LEs in general. You see the prices of Stern LEs right now? It's preposterous. What, just any LE? For the most part, I would say 80% of Stern LEs are taking this price increase right now in the secondary market. And it's just nuts. It is like turning into that collectible, I need to have as many of the LEs as I can. I was looking at some comps over the last couple days. And even titles that weren't necessarily hot LE runs or titles, they're going for $2,000 to $3,000 more than they typically would a year ago. What games are still less than the original selling price? Are Munsters selling for more than... No, Munsters LEs are over their over-the-end box prices. Really? Absolutely. There's a lot of people that still ask for Munsters. Whenever I get customers, they're always people just getting into pinball. They always want Munsters. My friend sold his Munsters Pro for more than he got it for new, and it was a rally. Yeah, see? See? Yeah, like if we're looking at the Pinside Top 100, number one on the Pinside Top 100, Led Zeppelin at number one.
    115:51
    Not so sure about that. But Led Zeppelin LE is selling on the secondary market right now off the top of my head. I think they're around $10,000, $11,000 used for an LE. There really is, if you have money in the bank, At the moment, and this could all change, there really is no point in not getting every single Stern LE. That's why all my LE lists are sold out for the next five titles, yeah. Guaranteed to play the machine. If you don't like it, you make money on it. And if you do like it, you keep it. Like, it's pretty crazy. The next Stern in the top 100 is Jurassic Park LE, so they're going for more. Deadpool LE at number eight, going for more. Elvira House of Horrors LE, going for a shitload more. Iron Maiden LE, going for more. Avengers Infinity Quest. That one's not as bad, but you're still seeing a 10K price tag on that thing. If you put the topper on it, it's $11,000. Going for more. Metallica LE, going for more. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Now, a year ago? No, it was right at $8,900, $9,100 for a used LE. Nope, it's above now. Star Trek LE, that one dipped pretty damn low in the past. I think it's still around $8,500 LE price for a used one. Well, but they use that.
    117:01
    Oh, shit. But it's an old one. Before me, 6,500 probably, 7. They might have been 8. Yeah. So I could keep going down here, but I don't see one that doesn't hit the LE over. They're all more than. And we only report the facts here. So if someone wants to get on an LE list, do they ring up CoinGiver? Or do they ring up Zip and AppyMall? Well, there's new LLCs we're talking here that I'm opening up. Yeah, they can ring any dealer. And for the most part, dealers are all going to have an interested list. Now, some shady-ass one. Don't give money for a rumored list. Some of you dealers need to go to ethics class. Don't take money from people before they see the game, number one, and before it's announced, number two. That's some integrity. But, yeah, so you can call and say, hey, if a Goonies machine comes out, I want to be on the list. Okay?
    117:53
    I've got a list for Golden Girls. How many people are on the list? Two, I believe. What's the most obscure list? I mean, besides that, it's pretty weird That one's pretty obscure I have a list going for Journey Okay The Journey music, yeah Yeah Let's see, Predator There's a list for Predator In case they do that again Because if that wasn't train wreck the first time He-Man and Master of the Universe I already have like 13 people on that list Wow How many people are on the Back to the Future list? Back to the Future Oh my god I can't believe I'm even talking about this Let's see here Back to the Future Right now there are 43 people On the Back to the Future list Is that Ellie? Most of them Ellie's Wow Most of them Ellie's I see a pro It's crazy Harry Potter? Crazy, crazy industry Oh yeah, there's a lot on Harry Potter So yeah, overall Numbers don't lie Only report the facts And Ellie's are on the rise That's why they're trending up here On the Pinball Show All's trending up this week is World Cup Stalker Repro Playfields from CPR. They didn't make, like, this is another deep nerd, hobbyist collector thing, Ryan, but did you know how impossible it was to get a World Cup Stalker 94 Repro Playfield? I did not know. Really tough. It's a licensed thing, so getting a FIFA license, I don't know if they got around that, but CPR is now taking orders on World Cup Stalker Repro Playfields. That's why there are some titles out there you just do not see fully restored, and it's because of being able to get parts. That's why you won't see a radical restore. Off your list now? You don't want it anymore because you can get the play field? You only interest in getting stuff? No, no, I'm totally fine with it. I really like that game, so as long as I've got one of the nicest ones, we're good. And that one restores so nice, too, because you've got the brass plated legs. Then you add the chrome around the trim of the glass. Ooh, ooh, ooh. A little mix and match there. I like mixing my brasses and my chromes. You're like, what the fuck is this guy talking about? Turning down this week is Dialed In L.E. Sorry, Ryan. Your Dialed In's worth less now. You said L.E.s in general, but not Dialed In. I said Stern L.E.s. There's a difference there. There's Jack Timball's Dialed In L.E. Right now, lower to mid-sevenths. Original games. Mandalorian Premium is more than a Dialed In L.E. You know what's the saddest thing? The other day, I picked up Darvin from a customer's house, and he's rented about eight Pimor machines off me. And he said, you know what, Ryan? This is the most fun game that I have rented off you by far. I fucking love this game. It's so good. But I will never buy it. He kind of said it with, like, addiction. I'm like... I know. I'm like, why not? And he's like, it's just no theme. There's just no theme to it. I'd rather. You know what he said? It's the goddamn Tony Pepperoni. That's why I won't buy this game. Tony Pepperoni. Whatever the hell his name is. Tony Salami. You know what this means. More pizza for me. Oh, my God.
    121:10
    I love that. I just hear those drones in my nightmares. Also trending down this week is having a coder do a deep dive of a rule set on a podcast.
    121:22
    Look, people, it's video or nothing. Oh, my gosh. It's like listening to a silent movie. Think about that. You get it? It's a good joke. It's a joke there.
    121:35
    Jeez, if I have to hear Dwight. I love you, Dwight. And I kind of love some of your podcasts I have him on. But, man, deep diving a code set on that? No, no, no. I'm not going to do it. I can't do it. Get some video out. Show me some diagrams. Show me a play field. Put some moving arrows on this thing. that's how I want to learn rules it's definitely not off an audio book does that work for you? the whole audio regurgitation of rules? it works for about two or three minutes and then I zone out and I've been definitely guilty of that in the past interviewing coders and asking for rules but it's at the point sometimes when there's no video that it's either that or nothing yeah it's a big fail if you guys are going to do deep dive on codes we need pictures, we need video that's it. Then again, Franchi is also the guy that said at the end of the show, because it's drama free now, we don't want to just pass on the news and the same things every other podcast does, end quote. And I've not heard any of the timeline, deep dive, historical interviews, regurgitations from any other podcast or anything else in the past. This is all fresh content. Obviously you're not drama free I'm not At least I claim not to be This thing is full of drama If it needs to be I don't hide behind that What did my Spanish teacher He used to call us Ajo dejes In Spanish it doesn't mean anything But it just sounds bad Stop being an ajo dejes Sit down And I always say Me no comprejendo Because I didn't care And it pissed him off. Me no comprehendo, senor. Sorry. Let's transition over to deals of the week. Bye, bye, bye. Sharp Edition.
    123:30
    That's the sound of a katana. You didn't know. Like sharp. Now, this is cool. This is an exclusive deal of the week. This is going to be a thing now. Training up exclusive deals of the week. So, Josh Sharp is good friends with Ryan C. You guys are buds? We talk every day, mostly about months.
    123:52
    Yeah, clearly. So Josh Sharp said, you know what would be fun since you're going on the pinball show? I've got a couple machines that I'm going to be putting up for sale, but I'll give Zach the exclusive because he's the only person that really cares about them anyway. So he gave us the exclusive rights to airing his up-for-sale games, and I couldn't be happier here at the Pinball Market Trends. So, yeah, if you've got exclusive deals of the week, We're going to make this a thing. We're going to call it the Sharp Edition. Zing! Every time. For those of you interested in these games, you can email josharp at penwizj at gmail.com. That's penwizj, letter J, at gmail.com.
    124:34
    The appraisal process went a little something like this. He sent me pictures of a Tron Legacy Pro. Uh-oh, got your ears perking, don't I? A Twilight Zone. Uh-oh, they're getting harder. And a Fishtails. So I did my proper appraisals. Number one appraiser in the pinball industry, Zach Manning. That's right.
    124:52
    Coin giver pinball. LLC. Tron Legacy. So what you got here, Sharpie, is you've got a nice original Tron. I don't see anywhere. I see this being in great condition. You even have documented home use paperwork to show that you are the only owner. This is a fantastic buy. Here's the thing. You have a package of Cliffies you didn't install. And a growing trend for Josh Sharp games is however they came out of the box in 2004 is how you're going to get them. Because the man doesn't believe in LEDs, I don't believe. And he doesn't believe in life cycles for a Tron game for some effed up reason. How do you not mod out a Tron? I think it's harder to not mod out a Tron than take the time and money to mod out a Tron. How could you let this sit in your game room like that, Josh? That's what I want to know. I think he was thinking of packaging it up and saying it's brand new in the box. But this is the closest experience you can get to being brand new in the box because it might have some plays on it, but it is clean. It is clean. I mean, there's still incandescence in this Tron. So you can... This sounds crazy. It's like a car with square wheels. But you can put your own LEDs in this game. See, now that joke went over better than it's like listening to a silent movie. Okay.
    126:19
    It's late for you. No, this game is super, super clean. If I was getting a Tron, I would want this Tron because I know it's not been molested. I know it's not been manhandled. It's not been routed. This is a clean, nice, original Tron. I don't know what he's selling it for. I would put a price tag on this, email him, and tell him you'll buy it for $7,000 cash money. Buy, buy, buy! Next up on the docket is the Twilight Zone. Queen Tron. This Twilight Zone is clean. Where's he getting these things at?
    126:49
    It's almost like his dad helps create these things. Pin with Jay. See? All right. This Twilight Zone is freaking clean. It's nice. It doesn't have the scoop wear. It has no insert wear that I can see on the front door. Yep. This is super nice. I would call this minty. With a wipe down, this is minty. It's got one of the corners of the head that's been brushed up a little bit that you can touch that up. That's not a biggie at all. Boards look clean. Again, if I'm chasing the Twilight Zone, this is what I was talking about. I'm chasing a super clean one. $87.50 is what I put on this thing. Buy, buy, buy! $87.50. I was so confused when I bought my Twilight Zone that didn't have a piano around the piano. Right? Yeah. Yeah, you see so many modern machines, you start to think that things are standard, but they're not. I would get excited grazing myself upon this cabinet, though, because it doesn't have any loss of color. It's beautiful. I don't know if you have the pictures right, but, man, beautiful, beautiful colors still in the cabin. Those always fade. That's a damn nice twilight zone. So you've got two winners right there. Two out of three ain't bad because next is a stinker. Sorry, Josh. You should never have sent me these. So This is really grinding me into trouble for this Yeah, so he has a fishtails And when I say players condition I mean it is a players condition Wow We don't have much fishtail wear On the inserts And that's a big thing on fishtails But that upper play field He's got some raised inserts There's nothing pretty about this game The entire cabinet is faded He's got those patented sharp incandescence in here again.
    128:38
    And the kicker to boot is, he may have it, but I don't see any topper on this game. No Billy Bane. Maybe he doesn't fit in his dungeon, where he is. He still has all his games. Poor fella got a low ceiling. Maybe. I don't know. Contact Penguins J and find out. Yeah, but if you're looking for a good player's condition game, a lot of people love Fishtails. and you can own a piece of history. This is a sharp Fishtails, people. Buy, buy, buy! This isn't a shitty dealt Fishtails. No, this isn't none of that. This is a sharp deal.
    129:15
    Oh, see. Nice. Ching-sing. Fishtails, I'd give him $3,000. That's what you should offer for this Fishtails. And take the guy cash. He's not going to be shipping you anything. He's busy. He's busy making me some Royal Thrills games, which I love, by the way, Josh. Love you. And ladies and gentlemen, that was your Deals of the Week. And to close out the show, we have the mother of deals of the what in the... You guys have all been commenting on it. Hell's on fire on Pennside. Ladies and gentlemen, I think the pinball market trends deal of the WTF was created just for this listing. Never before has something fit so perfectly to this segment. This is a, and you guys are going to chuckle, you know what it is, because six pages worth of comments have destroyed this man. And I'm only going to add two.
    130:08
    On Penn's side, he goes by Photog. This is one of the coolest machines ever made. It's a Star Wars comic premium, which goes for a premium right now. We're getting to the point, listener, where a Star Wars comic premium edition is going for the same price as an original Star Wars LE. that's how coveted this particular trim level is but not when you fuck it up like this man has i almost had a tear in my eyes feel so bad for this pinball machine it once was a thing of glory he butchered eyes and bastardized the entirety of this game you say something on this game ryan and he has rubbed his bad taste dick all over this thing the right leg is the right leg yes all atrocities the right leg is powder coated red which makes sense that the left leg would be powder coated yellow what there's there's leg protectors on this cabinet even though it doesn't need them and they're red tearing up that cabinet graphic hold on tight people i'm going to go on a roll you go to the coin door itself usually standard black which would still look like shit with all these different leg colors back right leg by the way is blue but then just a clown vomit all clown diarrhea all over this damn thing the coin door the standard black is now no longer no no no he upgraded those headphones so you can hear those mad beats that stays black but the coin door face itself is now gold where's their gold anywhere on this pinball machine there's not but he wants gold but if that wasn't enough usually if you do a colored powder coated coin door you're going to have that trim around the coin door itself all one piece be all one color nope can't do that photog is a genius he goes with a gold coin door and a white powder coated trim oh that's not enough white powder coat for you add the trim to the top being white so ladies and gentlemen right now we have one two three four five six seven different powder coated colors. Then you throw in a little jazz of that topper. He's got the topper, but that's not enough for him. He wants a fucking disco light mounted on the back of the head so it shines green dots all over a quarter of your wall. Of course, it doesn't come out symmetrically behind that head, which would look somewhat interesting. Nope, just bleeding out the inside right upon a wall that's only two inches away, becoming oversaturated. Speaker lights. If you like speaker lights, go to themodcouplepinball.com because they sell a really nice illuminated speaker light. He added those here. Bravo. But on top of that, he bastardized it by also adding the SpeakerLightKit.com kit. So you've got two speaker lights in one. Holy shit, we've got green and blue. That makes zero sense. Remember how beautiful that Translight was in the comic book artwork on this? Nope. He took that out. Nobody wants something nice. They want something shitty, like the original Pro Translight from the original that's not even the comic series. So now you've got a mix-match of artwork on the playfield that reflects the comic and on the cabinet, but not so much on the translight. No, no. We want regular, realistic Photoshop work there. LED lights that I didn't even know existed in the play field of this game. We got yellows shooting out, reds shooting out, somewhere here and there. This game is hideous beyond belief. I'm reading the Pinsides instead of listening to you, and it's bloody hilarious. The no color left behind. That's right! No color left behind edition. Even if you look at the wire forms on this, you know how beautiful those chrome wire forms are on the premium edition? Nope. He didn't even go with one color. I, for the most part, don't like powder-coated wire forms. They need to be a plating, a brass, a chrome. But, no, he powder-coated one of them white and one of them black. Just kind of like colors. Don't be a hater. Are you a hater, Zach?
    134:00
    Absolutely. For bad taste, yes, I will be a hater. I feel bad for him because when I see something like this, it looks like perseveration that one would see in an actual illness. He's got pink Star Wars hinges.
    134:15
    Come on. I like your comment. You may have a problem. Go ahead. Pro tip, never mention you are colorblind to a non-reputable powder coat.
    134:26
    He just fucking gave him the left over shit. This thing Is this not the worst thing you've ever seen? Oh, I see it now It's peaking The back left leg is green Ah, is it? Okay Holy Crayola cream I was about to read out a comment $500 discount If you can guess the color of the fourth leg Yep Green And I know why he did color I'm going to give him credit here He did color because He shows shots of his apartment studio Is this from Manhattan? What is this? All his walls are white. So maybe he just needed to express himself a little bit. I see three rooms in this picture alone, and every wall is white. He's feeling a little jazzy. Oh, my God. And he's even got a pink LED strip on the back of the head to go with the green disco light to go with the top. I want this game to burn in ashes. He's asking, hey, and why not ask $13,000 for this game? Sure. go for it hey Zach did you just like go against what you said before and do a deep dive into a picture that nobody can see and talk about it for 10 minutes turning up this week Brian speaks and he's exactly correct turning down is me because I'm a fucking hypocrite absolutely you're right it's a visual thing man it's a visual thing don't deep dive into rules absolutely that's what we do here on the Pinball Show, episode 60. Ryan, where can people catch you from now until next time you come visit us? Nowhere. I don't have an email. Pinwizj.com. You have kind of turned crusty as a pinball guy.
    136:11
    Pinwizj. Email me at coingiver at gmail.com. I will sell you a Mando for $20,000. You think that's funny, but as we were talking, I was securing that domain name. You actually?
    136:27
    So you can get a hold of Ryan C. Hopefully he'll have a new podcast out here soon, maybe on the Pinball Network. You can catch me at thepinballnetwork at gmail.com or the video series straight down the middle, sttmpinball at gmail.com if you want to reach out over there. Or buy yourself a pinball machine. And if you're in Australia, we've got a coin giver that we're breaking ground on over in Australia. Ryan C. is going to have the big scissors here soon. So reach out there. product showcase this week is a Stranger Things Pro because we're getting low, low, low, low. They're not going to run them again this year. At least, if ever. So get it now. I love all of your things. You better get it now. They're not going to do it for now. That's right. And then I'll try and sell you one then. Hey, I don't lie. I'm telling you the truth. That's what they're telling me. They're not running it again. Yeah, don't lie to my peoples. But they better get one because they're going to be going. Then you're going to be bitching them on like you are at the premiums. Jurassic Park Pro, we do have some in stock. Avengers Pro, we're getting low on that one. Very low. I have to double-check stock low. Teenage Mutant Ninja Pros and Premiums. Led Zeppelin Pro Premium. I'm trying to stock them for you people. Hot Wheels.
    137:40
    We got Jurassic Park Pro Arcades. You need to put one of those in your house. Two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two, two. What makes money? Give me something that'll make money in location. Like big, what's a big... I would love to help you get that, because as an authorized dealer of Ronald Thrills games, We love to stock your arcade full of, I don't know, the greatest arcade machines ever made. Yeah, big bucks make really good money. Get a Halo. Those make a ton of money. Ugh. How much do they cost? Are you allowed to say what the retail price is for them? Retail price, I'd have to check. I'd have to check off, but I think they're about $13,000, $14,000. Yeah. Eh, it'll pay itself off real quick. Yeah, it'll pay itself off in a couple months, and then you'll have one for your home. Boom. Golden Tees are coming soon. Better pre-order one of those. Golden Tees make a killing, too. I don't know if Australians play golf or not, but, yeah. We don't have enough land for that.
    138:33
    TPN last week was just another pinball podcast, episode 27, Mando Reaction with Fliptronic and Joel. Check that out. And this week we've got a final round pinball podcast with the Elite. They call them the Elite now. But you've got Martin Robbins over there and Jeff Teelis. I don't know who they'll have. That should be fun to check out. Free play pinball podcast. We announced them last week as a regular. They're going to have a podcast. Maybe Jesse J. Who knows? Now that the world is open over there in Australia, they've forgot about pinball. So who knows what happened to those cunts? We'll do an episode. We'll do one. And maybe some TPS midweek this week. I'm tired. You're tired. My day's just starting. But I get to edit this podcast for the next eight hours. What are you doing tomorrow? Having more sex?
    139:16
    I'll be ringing up my distributor, shout out to AMD, and asking for a fifth time if I've secured a Mandalorian LE. AMD, you better not screw Ryan C over. If I hear, AMD, that you left our boy high and dry... Don't they know I'm on the third most popular podcast out there? Like, I will throw my weight around if I need to.
    139:39
    When it comes to something like this, absolutely. Or maybe you can bump someone off your list. You know, I'm sure that'd be amazing.
    139:47
    I don't know. Because you're a man of integrity. I am a man of integrity. I would never do that. My own grandma could come right now and be like, Hey, Zach, I was wondering, man, where am I? And say, the closest thing you're going to get, grandma, is Google yourself some Grogu porn because that's all you're getting.
    140:04
    On that note. Now let's go to Golden Corral. Ladies and gentlemen, that was our show. Thanks so much, Ryan C., for coming. You're one of my favorite people to have on the podcast, so it means a lot that you'd be willing to come hang out, especially so late. I'd love you to do it again, man. Yeah. If Dennis Creasle is like a 10, I'm at least like a 5.5. So I'll take that rating if you'll give it to me. I've told you that you're a beautiful man. I don't tell Dennis that. For Ryan C., I'm your Zachary Minney. Remember, if you're not in on crypto, you're an idiot. And always practice safe pinball and don't be a coin taker. Be a coin giver up. So long, everybody. Love you, Melissa and Chris.
    140:45
    Thank you for being a friend. Oh yeah, head to head, the show that I was never fucking invited on. Fuckers.
    140:55
    You're a pal and a confidant. And if you do the party, and you party on your street, you would be the biggest gift you'd ever get. Thank you for being a friend. Oh my god, Zach, I hope you heard me fine.