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IRON PINBALL Battle - TRON

Don't Panic Flip·video·2h 12m·analyzed·Jan 12, 2022
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TL;DR

Iron Pinball battle on Tron Legacy between George and Pez Jeff Johnson with franchise discussion.

Summary

Don't Panic Flip hosts an Iron Pinball battle on Tron Legacy, with streamers George and Pez Jeff Johnson competing across multiple objectives. The stream features extensive discussion of Tron franchise history, streaming technology, pinball machine collections, and gameplay mechanics. Notable tangents include Power Ball modifications, streaming setup quality, and classic pinball machine collections.

Key Claims

  • Pez Jeff Johnson owns 11 pinball machines including EM titles from the 1970s-1980s and modern games

    high confidence · Pez listed his collection directly during stream: Dealer's Choice (1974), Fast Draw (1975), Old Chicago (1976), Rolling Queen, Big Easy (1982), High Speed, Tron, World's Cup (1978), Magic City, and Knight Rider

  • Pez got into competitive pinball in 2018 after being unaware competitive pinball existed

    high confidence · Pez stated directly: 'I got into competitive pinball back in 2018 because I didn't know there was competitive pinball before that'

  • Power Balls are approximately 20% lighter than standard pinballs and have no magnetic properties

    medium confidence · Discussion of Power Ball modifications in various games; cited weight reduction and lack of magnetic interaction

  • Jedi McMuffin started streaming pinball because he watched George streaming Jurassic Park and thought 'if that fool can stream, so can I'

    high confidence · Jedi stated directly: 'I was watching this guy who was streaming Jurassic Park almost every night of the week named George. I'm like, well, if that fool can stream, so can I'

  • Jedi McMuffin viewed Tron Legacy in IMAX 3D three times before general release and owns a high-quality copy with lossless 7.1 audio

    high confidence · Jedi described seeing it as test audience, opening night at Colorado IMAX, and again later; owns open matte full 16x9 version with lossless 7.1 master audio

  • Tron Legacy surpassed Star Wars and Lord of the Rings as Jedi McMuffin's favorite movie

    high confidence · Jedi stated: 'Legacy went right past Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings as my favorite movie'

  • George was born in 1982 and first saw Tron at age 10-11, then re-evaluated Tron Legacy positively after playing the pinball game

    high confidence · George stated: 'I was born in 1982' and 'I almost walked out. I was so disappointed' but 'I didn't see it again until I played Tron Legacy about four or five years ago'

Notable Quotes

  • “Tron is my favorite movie of all time. The 1982 classic is my favorite movie of all time. Now, I will usually follow that up with saying that Raiders of the Lost Ark is my favorite good movie of all time, because Tron is... It's not Shakespeare.”

    Pez Jeff Johnson@ 7:06 — Establishes Pez's deep personal connection to the original Tron film and why he's passionate about the pinball adaptation

  • “Legacy went right past Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings as my favorite movie.”

    Jedi McMuffin@ 8:32 — Indicates Tron Legacy's high cultural impact among enthusiasts; contrasts with George's initial negative reaction

  • “I was watching this guy who was streaming Jurassic Park almost every night of the week named George. I'm like, well, if that fool can stream, so can I.”

    Jedi McMuffin@ 34:04 — Explains how Jedi entered streaming; shows community-driven adoption of new media formats in pinball

  • “To get a good picture, you need a good camera with a good lens, and there's no way around that... You need an SLR or a mirrorless camera, which makes you do HDMI, which makes you have a nicer computer, which makes your whole daisy chain of crap you need cost more money.”

    Jedi McMuffin@ 35:23 — Documents the infrastructure investment required for professional-quality pinball streaming

  • “The copy of Tron that I have on my media server is the open matte full 16x9 version, which probably has a lot of the IMAX framing in it. And it's got the lossless 7.1 master audio track.”

    Jedi McMuffin@ 9:25 — Shows level of technical detail and investment pinball enthusiasts bring to related entertainment media

Entities

Pez Jeff JohnsonpersonGeorgepersonJedi McMuffinpersonManupersonMatt Scott DanesipersonTron Legacy PinballgameTron (1982)product

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Don't Panic Flip organizing Iron Pinball battles with formal objectives and community streaming, bringing together competitive players and casual viewers

    high · Full-scale production battle with multiple objectives, chat interaction, countdown sequences, and formal scoring tracked across missions

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Positive nostalgia-driven sentiment around EM-era pinball machines (1970s-1980s) with collectors actively maintaining and playing original hardware

    high · Pez's 11-machine collection heavily weighted toward EM games; describes playing EM Monday streams regularly; discussion of Twilight Zone maintenance challenges balanced against desire to own game

  • ?

    community_signal: Colorado pinball streaming community establishing structured schedule (Monday, Wednesday, Friday late-night streams) with multiple streamers creating content pipeline

    high · Pez: 'Monday, I like to do EM Monday. That's at 8:30 p.m. Mountain Time... Wednesday, I follow Colorado Pinball Collective... Friday, I also do that, too'

  • ?

    community_signal: Pinball streaming community providing technical mentorship for content creators; experienced streamers like George educating newcomers on equipment, platform choices, and quality standards

    medium · Jedi credited learning streaming from watching George; detailed technical discussion of camera/computer requirements suggests knowledge-sharing within community

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Tron Legacy Pinball design emphasizing mode-based depth with multiple complex shot sequences (Zeus, Clue, Recognizer) requiring skill progression and target recognition

Transcript

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0:00
🎵 Thank you. Welcome, everyone. My name is George, and this show is Don't Panic Swift, and tonight we have a very special stream. We have Pez Johnson from Pez Johnson on Twitch here with us, and Jedi McMuffin moderating this evening. Gentlemen, how are you doing?
5:46
I'm well. How are you, George? I'm doing well. We've only been on the phone technically going over all the stuff. Yeah. Super easy. first stream in a month. Well, I'm glad. Yeah, welcome back to streaming. Bertel, Jetta McMuffin, Durbin, and Captain Spam, welcome. Oh, and this is all on Manu's birthday, too. That's right. And PT3K's birthday is today. How old is he? He's got to be like 60-something, right? No, he's like 23. 23, okay, cool. Awesome. Bill from Memphis, good Good evening. All right, so, Jedi, what are we battling on tonight? You are playing Tron Legacy from Stern Thimble. It is my dream theme. I wish I could have one. Maybe I will someday, but it's a very cool game.
6:44
It is so much fun. I'm surrounded, I feel like, by people who absolutely love the Tron theme. Now, big question for you guys. Do you prefer OG Tron or Tron Legacy? Yes.
6:58
You can't gun to the head? You can't pick one? Tron is my favorite movie of all time. The 1982 classic is my favorite movie of all time. Now, I will usually follow that up with saying that Raiders of the Lost Ark is my favorite good movie of all time, because Tron is... It's not Shakespeare. But it came out when I was It just came out of that magical time of my life when computers and games were all just kind of coming together and stuff like that. I got to see it in the theater. My dad took me and my sister with me. And it's just a great time. And then as it came out on video and other forms of entertainment, I just loved it. And when they started to make a sequel, I was in love with it even more. And then Pinball came along. And I couldn't find it anywhere because of where I was living. it was just what happened so i didn't get the tron legacy pinball until much later okay but still in the tron universe and then jedi yeah what's your thoughts well my funny tidbit with tron is that it was one of two movies that my parents rented unknowingly on i think on betamax one was transformers the movie and one was tron and they brought it home and we couldn't watch it and I threw a big fit, and I got in a lot of trouble. And so I wasn't allowed to watch those two movies for a long time because of said tantrum. And I vaguely remember this, but, yeah. So I actually didn't even see the original Tron until Legacy came out.

Tron (1982) features audio from Missile Command in the life cycle arena sequence

medium confidence · George noted: 'the sounds from Missile Command from Atari. Like, that just blows my mind'

  • Matt Scott Danesi replaced his Tron with all Power Balls (4-ball conversion) for a pinball show

    medium confidence · Pez mentioned: 'Matt Scott Danesi replaced his Tron with all Power Balls' and presented at Fliptronic pinball show

  • High-quality pinball streaming requires SLR or mirrorless camera with HDMI output, necessitating investment in laptop/desktop infrastructure

    high confidence · Jedi McMuffin explained: 'To get a good picture, you need a good camera with a good lens, and there's no way around that. So to get the effect I have on this camera... You need an SLR or a mirrorless camera, which makes you do HDMI, which makes you have a nicer computer'

  • “I feel like this is the hidden gem that Disney understands, and they're just waiting until they have the right story or the right people or the right technology to do it justice because there's so much there.”

    George@ 12:44 — Speculation about Tron franchise future under Disney ownership; reflects community hopes for the IP

  • “I started streaming with a Microsoft Surface Book, which has one USB port... now I use a desktop PC like a lot of folks do once you get to a certain level.”

    Jedi McMuffin@ 35:54 — Documents progression of streaming technology adoption in pinball community

  • “Power Ball comes from the Twilight Zone. It's a ceramic ball that's about a tenth of the weight of a standard pinball. So when you hit it and do things, it flies around the play field.”

    Pez Jeff Johnson@ 30:52 — Explains aftermarket modification gaining traction in community for gameplay variation

  • “There's a lot of stuff that goes wrong on that game. Yes, there is. I get to hear that from anyone who's owned one, that it requires a lot of maintenance.”

    George and Pez@ 33:30 — Highlights maintenance challenges of classic machines; reflects operator/collector concerns

  • “Pinball also had that downtime as well. Kind of up until when Tron came out in 2011. And then I slowly got back into it and then found the competitive scene in 2018.”

    Pez Jeff Johnson@ 20:56 — Documents industry decline period and Tron Legacy's role in reigniting personal interest

    • Tron Legacy
    product
    Don't Panic Fliporganization
    Stern Pinballcompany
    Twilight Zone Pinballgame
    Jurassic Park Pinballgame
    James Cameron's Avatar Limited Edition Pinballgame
    Colorado Pinball Collectiveorganization
    Blizzard Mountain Pinballorganization
    Fliptronicorganization
    Dealer's Choicegame
    Fast Drawgame
    Old Chicagogame
    Big Easygame
    Knight Ridergame
    World's Cupgame
    Rolling Stones Pinballgame
    Disneycompany

    medium · Pez walked through multiple modes (Zeus, Clue) with explanation of timed scoring, shot spotting mechanics, and progression tracking on DMD and mode ladder indicators

  • ?

    event_signal: Iron Pinball battles positioning as recurring competitive format with structured objectives, formal rules, and community viewership on streaming platform

    high · Eight distinct objectives (high score, disc multiball, complete two modes, light cycle multiball, quora multiball, reach simulation, start dual multiball, complete three modes, extra ball) with ball-first timing rules and official scorecard

  • $

    market_signal: Power Ball aftermarket modification gaining adoption across multiple game types (Twilight Zone, James Cameron's Avatar LE, The Rolling Stones) as community innovation for gameplay variation

    medium · Multiple games discussed with Power Ball support; Matt Scott Danesi's full 4-ball conversion shown at pinball show; community members ordering Power Balls (Sir Snarf ordered four)

  • ?

    community_signal: Pez Jeff Johnson transitioning from casual EM streaming to competitive league play at Blizzard Mountain Pinball

    medium · Pez stated: 'I'm going to probably take a little hiatus because I'm going to probably start playing league at Blizzard Mountain Pinball'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Tron Legacy film reputation rehabilitated within pinball enthusiast community after initial mixed reviews; re-evaluation driven partly by pinball adaptation quality

    medium · George: 'I almost walked out. I was so disappointed' but 'I didn't see it again until I played Tron Legacy about four or five years ago and went back and watched it and fell in love'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Pinball streaming standardizing on professional camera equipment (SLR/mirrorless with HDMI) and desktop PC infrastructure, representing professionalization of community content creation

    high · Jedi detailed progression from Surface Book with USB hub constraints to current mirrorless camera + desktop setup with multiple HDMI inputs

    • 8:31
    Wow. Legacy went right past Star Wars and Lord of the Rings as my favorite movie. You got to watch it with a bitchin' sound system. Like, you just have to. The audio in it is off the charts. Did you see it in IMAX 3D? No, I never saw it in the theater. So I accidentally saw it three times in the theater. Well, accidentally on purpose. I participated in the augmented reality game, so I got a chance to see it before it was actually released as one of those test audiences. So that was the first time. Then I went on opening night at the Colorado IMAX Theater, And then I saw it one more time because I knew it just wasn't going to be the same in a home theater format. So I'm glad that I took the opportunity to see it. It's actually going to be a fun little trivia, and I was telling George about this on chat yesterday. The copy of Tron that I have on my media server is the open mat full 16x9 version, which probably has a lot of the IMAX framing in it. and it's got the lossless 7.1 master audio track. And, yeah, I got 7.1 rocking in here and a 65 OLED screen that you sit six feet from. So it's a pretty big screen when you're sitting six feet from it. Right. So it's a good experience. By the way, Captain Spam commenting on the fact that my audio was louder than yours. I did notice just now that the levels were a little higher. I dropped mine down. Hopefully I'm much more in line with your guys' audio. So, Captain Spam, feel free to comment and hopefully we're a little bit more in line at this point. I don't know if I'm, like, speaking more into the microphone or what, but I dropped my levels down just a bit. Also, DgenR8, is that a reference? Yeah, that is my sister. Hi, Jen.
    10:25
    Hi. Hi, peasant sister. Much better. Okay, cool. And Jedi Guild, Captain Spam, welcome to the stream. and Jedi Guild just saw Tron Legacy yesterday. Now, I grew up, A, I was born in 82, so I didn't get the opportunity to see Tron right away when it came out at the theater, but I did see it when I was like 10 or 11 and fell in love, and I loved the movie, so I really enjoyed the idea of being a part of Tron Legacy when it came out, and I went to the theater, and I almost walked out. I was so disappointed at the theater. The whole movie seemed, And I couldn't even tell you what my thought process was other than I disliked it. And I didn't see it again until I played Tron Legacy about four or five years ago and went back and watched it and fell in love. I'm like, oh, my gosh, how did I ever dislike this film? Tron Legacy is wonderful on levels. It's great and very enjoyable. So I now prefer Tron Legacy just because it's newer and the pacing is more consistent, I feel like, with how movies are today. but Tron still kind of started it, so it has a very special place. I love all its subtleties. Like, I love the part where they're going towards the life cycle arena, and the fireworks are, I think it's the sounds from Missile Command from Atari. Like, that just blows my mind. Like, someone had a lot of fun picking that out.
    11:51
    Yeah, even going back to the original Tron, it's a different time when they made that movie, and it took them a lot of effort, and a lot of different CGI houses kind of came together to make different animations for it. So I guess it's the grandfather of all computer animation movies, even though a lot of the movie is actually done with some traditional animations as well. But it's just got that soft spot in my heart that I just love kind of that whole encompassing movie. If they make a third one, I kind of hope that they do, and I kind of hope that what we've got is what we got, because I really like what we have right now. I do like it. It's an entire world, right? Like, that's part of the Marvel universe or any of these other universes where an entity owns it. And I feel like this is the hidden gem that Disney understands, and they're just waiting until they have the right story or the right people or the right technology to do it justice because there's so much there, and they own the rights to all of it. Like, it's always been Disney. So I feel like even if we don't get something soon, we're going to go back to the world of Tron at some point because there's way too many stories there. Yep, I hope we do.
    13:11
    Jumping over then to the objectives for this evening, here's a quick overview. We're going to start off with some high score, and then we're going to see the first person to initiate disc multiball and then we're going to go through and complete two modes. And that's not just start, but you actually have to complete two different modes. Then initiate light cycle multiball, initiate quora multiball, and then this is going to be the fun one, I think. You have to get to see a simulation. And no rules, besides you can't take the glass off. Whoever gets there first, it doesn't matter on ball, It doesn't matter if you start the game over or whatever. Just get to Sea of Simulation faster than the other person. And if that takes you six games but you still do it faster, that's absolutely fine. That does well on par with everything else, six games. Yeah, six games. I like it.
    14:06
    Next up, you've got to start Light Cycle Multiball and Core Multiball. Now, you don't have to actually start them at the same time. Great question, Pez, earlier. You just have to have them both running simultaneously, meaning you can start core and then bring in light cycle. They can both be lit at the same time, and you hit the scoop once, and they both start. The second that happens, you yell out, got it, and we'll call it at that moment. The next one I imagine might honestly be the most difficult, which is start gen, which I know for whatever reason that sometimes you can find that shot, and it's easy. You start it, no problem. Sometimes you just can't find it.
    14:42
    Next up is complete three modes, and then finally extra ball. Now, each one of these, we're going to have Pez walk us through how to actually get to each one of these. And I'm going to say, obviously, I know how to get to it. I'm in this here and we're battling. But, you know, I'm going to pay attention anyways as Dave is walking us through how exactly to complete each one of these modes. And who knows, maybe even accidentally get some insight into how to do it better than I might normally have done it. So, those are modes. And our first one here is Highscore. Pez, are you ready to jump in and let's play a quick game? Yeah, when you're ready. All right. This is not timed. It's just Highscore. Standard game. Really an opportunity for us to find the shots, get dialed in, and have some fun. Still, Jedi, do you want to count us down?
    15:35
    Sure. Deal the rhythm. Do the thing. Don't remember the rest. Here's your blade. Plunge. Here we go.
    15:49
    I'm going to cheat and pipe Manu's voice in for the next one of those. Okay. He was eat the stuff and here's your bling. It is, yeah. Yeah. It's been a while.
    16:06
    And that's going right down the drain. So that was great. I... First of all, awesome. Hey, G or Bond? As Flynn flashing. Start it up there. Yeah, you almost always get Flynn going as long as you go down that Zen God. It's like Flynn just kind of happens.
    16:24
    There's only been one time that I've started C-Relation without actually having Flynn compete it. All right. And it was a high score we were going for here? Yes.
    16:48
    All right. Oh, my God. Oh, wow. There goes ball two. No one saw that, George. No one saw that. No one thought. Nobody thought. I'm not looking.
    17:04
    George is on ball three. Ez is on ball two. I'm not looking. I'm on ball three. All right. Left ramp or Quora. Let's go Quora.
    17:19
    There we go. Whew. So got that nice little combo, end of the line jackpot, and went right into light cycle. So I'm going to try and focus immediately on Quora.
    17:32
    Now, was that combo into the gem shot? That is, there is a combo into the gem shot. Yeah, I just felt the sirens combo.
    17:47
    Oh, my God. It's okay. You got me. As long as you got over 3.4. I did. I got 6.6. There you go. I had Quora lit, too. Oh. Okay.
    18:01
    All right. Was that the warm-up round, or was that the real round? That was the real first round. Yeah. All right. Yeah. That's a day.
    18:13
    So switching the scene back over to chat. And all right. You see that point? The first point goes down there. We're going to keep track of that. And in each of the scenes, you'll be able to see what the current score is of each player.
    18:32
    MPT3K! Welcome! Thank you! My hat's off to you, sir! Happy birthday, by the way! Thank you so much for that raid. Yeah, huge! Happy birthday to Mr. Manu.
    18:47
    If you're just joining us, we are iron pinball battling on Tron this evening. We have Pez Johnson and Jedi McMuffin. Pez and I are going at it. We just completed the first objective, and it's 1-0 as of right now. Steadiest Rhyme, welcome to the stream. Iron Fox, Mr. Hardluck, VP Fiends, MPT3K, Flipstream, Wind Raider, welcome everyone. And you guys showed up just in time because I have the first question to go out here. So, Pez, how did you get into pinball?
    19:30
    Well, the story that I always say is that I've been into pinball for most of my life. I got into competitive pinball back in 2018 because I didn't know there was competitive pinball before that. So if you go all the way back to, let's say, you know, about the time Tron came out, 1982, 1983, my dad also taking me not only to that movie, but also taking me to the local sub shop or the hot dog place nearby. After kindergarten, he would take me to these places, and we'd throw a couple of quarters into video games and stuff like that, and sometimes they would have pinball there. My main pinball getting into was at the drugstore Skaggs that was next to the Albertsons on Peoria and Mississippi. And my mom would go shopping at the drugstore or whatever, and I would go play the video games or sometimes the pinball. And the pinball drew me to it because of the lure of the free games. And it was probably on Valley Star Trek, Gottlieb's The Amazing Spider-Man, and stuff like that. And then it just kind of progressed from there. I always liked pinball. I always tried to play pinball wherever it was at, even when I was working in the arcade in 95 and 96.
    20:49
    But, like I say, it kind of hit a dry spell when I went to college in Nebraska. There was, like, no pinball there. It's Nebraska. Yeah, pinball also had that downtime as well. kind of up until when Tron came out in 2011. And then I slowly got back into it and then found the competitive scene in 2018. So that's where I'm at, and now we've got 11 pinball machines here in the basement. Ooh, what pinball machines do you have? So the big thing is the EM pinball machines that I stream on Mondays on my channel mostly. So way back on the line is Dealer's Choice from Williams. That's from 74. Then it goes to Fast Draw from Gottlieb in 75.
    21:33
    Old Chicago is my birthday game. It came out in April of 1976. Rolling Queen. What? When you say birthday game, it came out on your birthday, or did you get it as a birthday present? We were both out April of 1976.
    21:53
    Oh, wow. The game was created in the same... on that day. My mom loves when I talk about it that way.
    22:02
    Big Easy by Bally is from 1982. High Speed I'm pin-sitting right now. That's actually another one of our competitive pinball people's things. Tron I'm also in a temporary trade with World's Cup, which isn't Bally's World's Cup soccer.
    22:19
    This is the 1978 Solid State from Williams. Magic City is another EM and Knight Rider by Bally is in the corner, broken. I haven't gotten that one worked, but that's 11. Sorry, wait, Knight Rider based on the television show? It's a shadowy flight. No, it's actually based on semi-trucking and the whole kind of CB radio type of culture. Break a one-nine kind of stuff. Yeah, and Knight Rider came out in 76, and then they made a solid-state version in 77. It was at that time when Valley was switching over from EMs to solid-state machines, So they produce both models. Okay. That's the EM model I need to work on. Okay. Well, that is quite the collection. And on top of that, you guys, if you're not familiar, you probably are. But Pez streams often. In fact, do you have a standard schedule?
    23:12
    So Monday, I like to do EM Monday. That's at 8.30 p.m. Mountain Time. Okay. We're going to probably take a little hiatus because I'm going to probably start playing league at Blizzard Mountain Pinball.
    23:23
    What's this happen? Got a raid? I got a raid. I don't think so. I think that they say... I don't know. It was over there. I saw the notification come through. I think that might be Manu's duplicate raid notification coming through. Yeah. I love it. All right, so then I will keep on going.
    23:44
    Then Wednesday, I follow Colorado Pinball Collective. Approximately 11 p.m., and then on Friday, I also do that, too. So it's late-night streaming on Wednesday and Friday. And Monday. So you're Monday, Wednesday, Friday, late-night streaming, and late-night Colorado time, right? Yeah, we're late-night Colorado time, so even later everywhere else. Yeah, no one apparently cares about the Mountain Time Zone. I have found this out. No, it's the Forgotten Time Zone. It is. Everyone, it's Central, Eastern, or Pacific. People, I don't even think, realize that there is a Mountain Time Zone. It is the least populated time zone. Okay. Well, switching back over then to objectives, we have the next one, which is disk multiball. I'm going to flip over here to focus on you, Pez. Pez, can you do me a favor, or do us all a favor, and walk us through how exactly we start disk multiball? So disk multiball is kind of a three-step process. there is a shield in front of the recognizer here that houses the spinning disc behind it. And you have to hit that shot a few times. And it depends. I think it's four times for the first go around. It will then drop the shield. I'll attack from Mars. You don't have to hit any particular one of the three targets. You just need to do that. Thank you very much. and then when the shield goes down, then you have to go into the disc seven times in order for it to start disc multiball. There's no, it has to stay in there for so long or whatever. Occasionally, if it gets held up in the disc as it's spinning, it'll count a couple of times, one going in, one going out, because it's just an opto that it goes through. And then that's starting your multiball. You'll get three ball multiball, and all of the blue disc shots will light on all the shots. You can hit them for jackpots, but your main objective to complete disc multiball is to shoot it into the disc six times. The shield will then re-raise, and you need to hit the shield three times. The shield will go down, and then you just need to get in the disc once to get the super jackpot that will complete it on your way to portal. Okay, so that is disc multiball That said, we just have to initiate Disc multiball I'm sorry Hit the shield enough times to drop it Then go in there seven times and you start Okay That is our goal And this is going to be As opposed to time only This is ball first, then time Meaning if you complete it first On the second ball, but I'm still on my first ball And I complete it after you I would end up winning or vice versa, obviously. Okay? Cool. This is a timed... This is, though, timed, so I'm going to switch over to our main view here, and Mr. Jedi McMuffin, do you want to count us down for this objective?
    26:54
    Oh, I'm sorry. Before you count us down, though, really quick, Marky and Arendelle, Arthur Pindragon, Transmeta, Pinball Profile, and TC Punk, DeathSaveDave, IronFox also. You guys, welcome to the stream. We'll catch up here after this battle. All right, Jedi, you're up.
    27:15
    Jeez, I forgot how to do it again. We're just going to do a basic one this time, and I'll be ready on the next one. Okay. Not like I've had time to prepare or anything. Anyway, three, two, one, plunge. Plunge. Cool. Good start, good start. That's how I like to... You know, if you're not going to use the shoot again, what is the point? Oh, my God. Use it or lose it.
    27:50
    There it goes. Try not to do it. Hold tight. Use it and lose it. We're fine. We're all fine here. We're all fine. See, I got a recognizer shot for shooting it into the arcade. So, congratulations. I get a freebie.
    28:10
    Nice. That is terrible consumption. What is it with this game? Alright, I am hitting so many shots that I normally struggle with accidentally as I'm just trying to hit the recognizer.
    28:25
    Is there any visual indicator how far you... Just the DMD animations on it and your visual count. The other thing is when it's ready to go, there'll be flashers behind everything. They'll kind of see it when it goes off. When you go into this, they'll see the flashers, but then they will constantly go on the last hit, like one hit to go.
    28:53
    I would like it on my left flipper, please. Left flipper. Thank you. You see those flashers in the back? No.
    29:03
    That crawled over to that out lane. All right, I'm on ball three. All three minutes, George. I mean, who even tries before ball three? Really?
    29:17
    Oh, good. Got a good shot. I know. I got an accidental jump shot earlier. Oh. I got two more to go. Which ball are you on right now? Is it going off in the back? Yeah, you're just drilling away out of there, guys. Yeah, so that's towards it, though.
    29:42
    I am finished. You are. Nicely done. All right. 6.2 million in two minutes and six seconds. See, I am useful.
    29:55
    All right. Switching over here. So Challenger won that round. We're back in the chat, and you get to see we are now one versus one. Look at that. Yeah, right under.
    30:07
    Bumper Nuggets, that ramp lighting mod looks like crap. Who put that in anyway? That's interesting because that was Extra Paul who put that in for me. That was great. Sir Snarf, welcome to the stream. Sir Snarf, I just ordered four Power Balls. Pez, do you have Power Balls? I do have Power Balls. They're in one of my machines. I know. Sometimes I will put Power Balls in the EM machines just to change things up. Yeah, sure. It makes for a very interesting game. Educate the newbie. What's a Power Ball? A Power Ball comes from the Twilight Zone. It's a white little ceramic ball. I'll see if I can find it. Hang on. Yeah, yeah. No, this is worth it. And on top of that, we can show it, and it's going to look like a white ball, but it's like a tenth of the weight of a standard pinball. So when you hit it and do things, it flies around the play field. And so Scott Denise replaced his Tron with all Power Balls. That's it. So it's four-ball Power Ball. And I thought it was going to be silly, but it was both intense and absolutely fun.
    31:15
    Let's see. There you go. So when Scott Denise had suggested it to Fliptronic for the pinball show that they went to, and it was all Power Balls where you install four of them. It's about, I think we said 20% lighter than the ball, but they put it in Twilight Zone. It doesn't have any magnetic properties to it, so magnets don't affect it at all. So if you have it in a game that has magnets like Twilight Zone, it won't be affected.
    31:46
    But it rolls around fast, and it can make the thing a little bit like a different English on the ball. So a lot of fun to play with. I have five of them. You have five of them. Okay, I've got four coming. I have five of them because Bowling Queen, that EM comes from that era where all five balls were in the trough and you manually elevate them to the shooter lane. And so you have to put five balls in there if you want to play the game with five power balls. Okay. Also, Dalton Pinball, welcome to the stream. Warlock Pinball, welcome as well. Do a tap pass for everybody. I'm curious, are there any other games out there that use a Powerball besides Twilight Zone? Naturally. Yeah, so the LE version of Avatar uses the Powerball, and I think the LE version of Rolling Stones had a Powerball in it as well. And like Captain Spam says, Twilight Zone does detect, it has a proximity sensor on it, so it detects that a magnetic field is not completed in the shooter lane or in the subway. so it can detect when the Powerball is on the field and the games like Avatar le does Navi scoring where it does double scoring while the Powerball is in play but the Powerball is usually in the trough unlike Twilight Zone where it's hidden in the gumball machine you have to like pop it out of there yeah and you can see it coming right as though you you know when it gets loaded You know that it coming up next And on top of that it great because it announces it Powerball.
    33:17
    It's awesome, yeah. Which is why I love Twilight Zone. That is a game I think I'd like to own at some point. I just need it to be perfect so I never have to work on it. I need it to be completely refurbished like it's brand new. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that goes wrong on that game. Yes, there is. I get to hear that from anyone who's owned one, that it requires a lot of maintenance. So the question for this in-between round actually goes to you, Jedi. Jedi, I think I remember when you started streaming and you had a Jurassic Park. But I'm curious, why did you start streaming? What was the story there? Why go from playing pinball to streaming pinball? Well, I kind of took it as a personal challenge of sorts because I was watching this guy who was streaming Jurassic Park almost every night of the week named George. I'm like, well, if that fool can stream, so can I.
    34:15
    I found out streaming is hard. But, yeah, that's generally it. It's just, I can do that. He can do it. I can do it. That was the most of it. And I learned a lot watching you, so that's how I learned. Okay. And then in terms of tech, there's some people who get into things and they're like, we're going to make it work with what we have. We're not going to get too into it. And then there's some people who kind of go hog wild a little bit and really invest the time and the thought and the investigation into how things work and realizing how you can improve your stream and hit really, let's say, top quality. Jedi, your streams are ridiculous quality. Where in there do you feel like you are? Are you at the I try to make it work with what we have, or are you at the I've learned and figured stuff out and I'm using, I guess, better, more different, different technology in order to achieve those high-quality streams?
    35:13
    Well, to get a good picture, you need a good camera with a good lens, and there's no way around that. So to get the effect I have on this camera and the one you have going right now, So there's no way around that. You need an SLR or a mirrorless camera, which makes you do HDMI, which makes you have a nicer computer, which makes your whole daisy chain of crap you need cost more money. So that's it. I started streaming with a Microsoft Surface Book, which has one USB port.
    35:44
    Okay, so if you can imagine a hub going to a hub going to multiple HDMI things, it was a mess. But it did work, and I went from that to another laptop, and now I use a desktop PC like a lot of folks do once you get to a certain level.
    36:02
    So, the more HDMI you have, the more money you tend to spend. But then again, my streams are also very simply laid out, because I actually don't get too fancy. I'm actually kind of simplistic in my layouts. I just like high-quality cameras.
    36:20
    Okay. Well said. Switching then over to objectives, we've done high score, we've done disc multiball. Now, Pez, we have to complete two modes. I'm going to flip over to you, and if you don't mind choosing maybe one or two modes and just talking about how you both start and complete a mode.
    36:40
    Okay. Well, if we want to talk about two of the modes that just kind of start as you are playing, The Zeus mode is the white targets. They point to the white stand-ups. There are two of them here next to the ramps. There's the one right here in front of the pop-up for the S. And then also the E, probably the most difficult shot, but sometimes you just kind of hit it just by the ball playing around, especially in multi-ball. If you spell Zeus one time, that just means hitting all four of the targets at least once, you will start Zeus, and you'll hear the call-out of him usually saying, Libations for everybody! And then to complete the mode, you just have to spell Zeus one time. Now, it becomes a timed mode. It's also a frenzy mode, so a whole bunch of scoring happens within that mode, but your objective is to spell Zeus by hitting the Z, U, S, and E targets. Again, I'm pointing kind of badly because I'm looking at two different screens there. So that's kind of an easy one to complete that you just kind of complete. The other one you can complete is clue. It's a pretty easy one to start. You just have to spell clue on the inlanes. There's a C, there's an L, there's a U, typical Borg two-lane, two-inlane format there. And once you spell clue once, during the same ball, by the way, then this clue helmet will flash at the scoop, trying to point at it right there, and then you go into the scoop to start Clue. To finish Clue, you have to hit the four shots that have the helmets on it, the left orbit, the left inner loop, the right orbit, as well as the arcade again. There's also a way to get spotted shots if you spell Clue on any of the inlanes during the time that Clue is running. It'll spot you the leftmost shot. So if you happen to get the left orbit, the left inner loop, and the arcade, and like me, you have a hard time getting that right orbit, you can just spell clue and finish that mode. And you can understand the progress where you're at. You'll see the clue helmets go off. But on the second to last shot that you make on it, you will say finish the game. And then you will also get this, like, echoey clue if you happen to finish it as well.
    39:02
    To find out when you finish modes, if you aren't sure that you're finishing modes, modes on the ladder here in the middle will flash when they are started. They will turn solid when you complete them. Is that good? That's good. That's perfect. Exactly it. Okay. Now, this is timed once again. It is ball first and then time. So try to do it efficiently and then it comes down to speed and timing.
    39:32
    Mr. Jedi McMuffin, would you like to count us down? Yes, and I'm going to cheat, and it's going to be wonderful.
    39:42
    Feel the rhythm. It's cutting out. Three, two, one, punch. Okay. Thank you, Manu, and happy birthday. Yes, happy birthday, Manu. I wanted to make a cutout of Monty's face and hold it in front of my face when I played it I don't have a power printer well played I think I just completed the mode for recognizer yes, recognizer is actually very easy as long as you bring it down you complete it I'm doing none of that stuff. Well, Zeus discarded. Thanks, Zeus.
    40:34
    I need to start Zeus. We can keep watch on your center inserts, right? And if you're flashing, you're mode engaged, and if you're solid, you've completed a mode. Exactly.
    40:48
    So I've actually finished four. Oh, man. I don't even know how to do that. Oh, secrets. It's like it always happens naturally. I'm going to... I just got to get to Zeus. Just do Zeus.
    41:05
    That is not Zeus. There it is. All right, so we just started Zeus. Now finish it. Nicely done. Wow. That's ball three. Oh, I'm still on ball two. Okay. Keep going, man.
    41:26
    So what I did was I completed twin and I completed the recognizer. Yep. Are you kidding me? I got the... Nope, I drained. So you got it. Nicely done, man.
    41:48
    Twin and recognizer, barely modes. Dr. Curlytech, you could do any two modes. The next one is three, though. So that is, I think, going to require a standard mode. So here's the weird thing about Flynn, is that Flynn starts when you go down the Zen shot. But it starts making a roving orange arrow. And so the orange arrow also kind of signifies if you need, like, a combo or something like that. But you'll see a flashing orange arrow that just kind of moves. And if you hit that, you find Flynn. Oh. If you do the skill shots on the ramps, you also complete it, too. So. Okay. It's a secret.
    42:34
    Well, well played. And, heck, yeah, that was another good one. Pez is up 2 to 1 right now. Seraph actually pointed out, was suggesting Zen rollover to right bit for Flynn, I think, or right orbit. Yep, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. Yeah.
    42:51
    And Flynn, yeah. Well, two modes completed. DC Punk was calling that out. I'm just going back up here on the chat. T-Walrus, welcome to the stream as well. So, what, oh, you know what? I should restart this. We're just sitting here at ball three.
    43:07
    And, nice. There's an old Pez for all the fine folks. Well, that is a perfect segue. So, Pez, what's up with the Pez? Like, that's the next question. Pez Johnson, we've got the Pez logo what's going on with Pez? well this one's awful and like I was describing before it tastes like grape latex glove it must be the palm oil that goes bad after 20 years or something like that you just don't find that in candy so high school rolled around in 1990 and about that time I thought maybe I should start collecting something And I know that kind of seems weird. We got, a bunch of friends and I got into, like, baseball cards, but that was really their thing. I kind of wanted my own thing. And since I was walking to and from Aurora Central High School for my parents' house, on the way back was a King Soopers and a Walgreens. And in case people don't know, our King Soopers are now Kroger grocery stores. So if you need a comparison for that.
    44:19
    but the Walgreens had a lot of Pez dispensers, and they were only a dollar. I could afford a dollar. And I didn't think really too much that, kind of like competitive pinball, I just didn't know the world of Pez collecting existed. Little did I know when a little thing called the Internet came about that Pez collecting is actually kind of a big deal, and a lot of people have been doing it for a very long time. So I kind of accidentally stumbled into that. But I would buy them. I'd get them as gifts.
    44:53
    I would have some that I had from a long time ago. And so now I think the count might be up to 1,000. I know this might just convolvulate us a little bit, George, but... 1,000 Pez dispensers? Yes. Somewhere in these boxes that are on these shelves, like these bins that are sitting here underneath the stairs, are different categories of Pez. The second one from the bottom I can see are Christmas ones, and those are just the ones that aren't on display upstairs. The miscellaneous ones are there, the Peanuts characters, some of the other cartoon characters, and then it just kind of goes that way and then also this way, and then the collector sets are on this shelf here. Okay, so my immediate follow-up question is, is what PEZ dispensers are the go-to ones that are hard to find that you don't already have, let's say, that you keep your eye open for, right? Like you're scouring whatever the PEZ version of Pinside is or something like that. No feet. No feet is probably the biggest thing, is that here in America, in 1987, they made a rule that they would make all Pez dispensers with feet if it felt, if it followed the form of it. So if they were like other characters or other objects that they would make Pez dispensers for that didn't call for feet, sometimes the Valentine's Day hearts don't have feet and whatnot, but like all the characters had feet. And that was kind of, you can kind of tell how old they are, what kind of vintage they are if they don't have feet. So I'm always on the lookout for Beatless Pez dispensers. There are serial numbers on the side of them. Actually, I'm sorry, they're not serial numbers. They're actually patent numbers that you can follow. They're also vintage there. And, of course, some of the other toys that they came out with in the 50s and 60s that they only made a few of them. There was a bicentennial Pez of Uncle Sam that I saw in an antique store once for $250. That was 25 years ago, and I didn't have $250 then. I don't really have $250 now, but I'd still like to have that because it's much more sale.
    47:09
    One of the... And I'm looking for errors as well. Somewhere in the Santa Claus bin, there's a Santa Claus that doesn't have a face. Like, they give him a beard, they give him a hat, but the little face plate is missing. It's kind of creepy to look at, but I like to call that one of my rare ones.
    47:28
    Okay, so you look for rare ones, specifically feet lists, And then after that, I'm guessing it's kind of like mistakes in production that somehow made it out. Okay. I feel like I know so much more about Pez Johnson. That's great. And the only Tron Pez dispensers they made were the Pez and Pop. Apparently Funko Pop and Pez got together for a series of them, and so those were your Tron-themed Pez dispensers. That's awesome. You have the Tron Pez dispensers. That's great. Yep. Okay. Well, speaking of Tron then and jumping back over, I'm using whatever segue I can pick and choose from the conversation. To make it back over then to objectives, we've done high score, disc multiball, and complete two modes. We are now ready to initiate light cycle multiball. And, Dave, I'm going back to you. Can you walk us through how one achieves the light cycle multiball? Wide mistake, really. Actually, no, on purpose. So there's six major shots on Tron. It's the left orbit. It's the left ramp. It's the left inner loop. It's the right inner loop, which is just above or further back than the ramp. Then also the side ramp and the right orbit. Those are your six shots. They all have light cycle signs, signals, emblems, pictures in front of them. of the six of them, you only have to get four of them on the first go-around to qualify light cycle multi-ball. Now, this is just qualifying, right? This isn't completing, right? Yeah, just qualify and start. So you have to hit the scoop, right? To start as well. Okay, yeah. So once you hit the four shots, the rest of the shots will actually go out if you still had shots left to go. And then the light cycle yellow arrow, which I'm not really pointing at it right there, it's the second one down going into the arcade. That one will start flashing at you. You just need to go into the arcade, and that'll start a two-ball multi-ball.
    49:30
    Okay, perfect. That seems pretty straightforward. Hopefully I remember that. Switching back over here, then. This is another ball first and then time will be the priority on this. And we're going to see that that's going to be pretty consistent the entire time. But it is time. Oh, man, Ram Gang, thank you very much for that Tier 1 subscription.
    49:52
    My hat's off to you. You're paying your money. Ooh, a raid as well. You're getting paid. What? You must be a billionaire. I can hear it. You guys can't hear it. Can you guys hear it? I hear Google Drop. Yes. Okay.
    50:06
    I don't know. It wasn't visually displaying anywhere. There it is. Oh, gee. Are the alerts turned off? No, they're there. Yeah, we heard them. They were in the lower part.
    50:21
    Oh, okay. Pinball Wiz raided us with a party of seven. Pinball Wiz, you're amazing. Thank you so much. And if you're just joining us, we're playing an iron pinball battle this evening on Tron. It is me, Don't Panic Flip, versus Pez Johnson. And right now, Pez is destroying me. He's up two to one, but we are at the bottom left of the screen. I was looking at the bottom right. Makes total sense. And we are now on the objective of starting Light Cycle, and Jedi is about to count us down. Jedi, you want to take this away? I'll do this one myself this time. Okay. Feel the rhythm. Feel the rhyme. Get on up. It's pinball time. Three, two, one, plunge. Okay.
    51:07
    How'd I do, everyone? That was great. I like it. Yes. I hope Manu's still watching. Hopefully I've redeemed myself.
    51:17
    It's so funny. I'm willing to bet that Manu hates that line. He probably does. Do you think he rage quit the stream because of it?
    51:32
    Maybe, maybe. It wouldn't surprise me. Oops, one of them. Okay. That's that. I'm already on ball two. I was just really struggling to get things going. But, yes, light cycle multi-ball achieved by Pez Johnson. That's another win.
    51:58
    And I've got to hit that button over there. We switch back over. Nice. Now it's solid. Pez, put that can of, I can't say that, but put the can of kick butt back on the shelf.
    52:16
    And higher peanut, good evening and welcome to the stream. Yeah. Well-deserved beverage there. That was another quick one. I think we have some longer ones coming up here soon. Oh, nice. I spoke, completely spoke over that.
    52:34
    Libations! It's another one of those Discord keeps detecting that it's not you talking, so it cuts it out a little bit. Death Save Dave, I live on girly drinks. So you say whatever you want. I drink apple ciders and gin and tonics and mojitos, basically mixed drinks right now. Yeah, I've never been a really big fan of actual beer alcohol. Cheers to that. Yeah, when you start throwing it in like this, it can get dangerous. It's a girly drink. Yeah. and Meta Knight Man calling out that, Pez, you're pretty dang good at Tron. I've watched quite a few streams. Three to one's a big lead there, George. How are you going to come back from this?
    53:26
    Yeah, very carefully. Well, you know what? The first run, I feel like, was a lot of quick objectives, but we're coming up on some of the harder ones. I think that reward slow, specific gameplay, which I don't actually know your style at all, Dave, if you're like a flow player or more of a... I am totally a flow player. You are? Okay. Yeah, I am very, very rarely do I sit and hold unless I'm... I mean, I will switch it up. When we did Dory Hill and it was a pin golf type of format and stuff like that and there were specific achievements, Kind of like we're doing tonight. I may switch it up and do more of a control player, but when it just comes to playing,
    54:18
    lightly. Okay. All the way. And while I'm in here, I want to take a second to do shout-outs for both people on the stream right now. We've got Jedi McMuffin, who's a streamer on TPN. If you're not following Jedi, You absolutely should be. Jedi's high-quality streams, awesome audience engagement, super fun, great collection of pinball machines. So click the link, give them a follow.
    54:51
    And then also, obviously, Pez Johnson, who streams on Monday, Wednesdays, and Fridays and is also up late. I feel like, Pez, you've rated me a couple of times at least, maybe. A couple of times? Yeah, bordering on 40 or 50 at this point. I'm imagining over the past couple of years.
    55:09
    It's all sharing the Colorado love, George. Yeah, well, the Colorado love. I have a question, actually, specifically about the Colorado love for our next break. But if you're not following Pez Johnson, click that link, give him a follow. You will not regret it. Pez is awesome, and Pez and your wife often, I feel like, comes on. Great chat. It's super engaging across the board. So, yeah, please give both Jedi and Pez Johnson a follow if you haven't already. Now.
    55:40
    Oh, my gosh. Anytime. Frisco, welcome to the stream. We'll see. Oh, no, we haven't made it over to the right, but it's Quora Multiball. If there's anything I feel like I have an opportunity, if I can hit the Quora shot, it might be this. So, Quora Multiball, you just have to start it. Pez, can you walk us through how one starts Quora Multiball? Well, it's nice enough for them to put a nice little insert right here that is this big, green, round circle that goes towards this left inner loop just to the side of the recognizer. It's the spinner here that has Korra's face on it. But the big, green circle actually says, Advanced Korra. And if you hit that five times, hang on, I'm going to find out because I always kind of forget.
    56:27
    The Korra melts a ball five times through the loop to qualify it. And again, like light cycles, it lights up the green arrow, the third one down, to the arcade. You shoot it in the arcade, and you start off with the two-ball multi-ball. You have an opportunity to add two more balls by hitting the recognizer three times. But if we're just going for starting it, that spinner five times and the scoop for starting it. And what's interesting, George, is that there's no sensor back there in that left orbit. It's just the spinner. But the spinner is raised just a little bit. And because the ball needs to really kind of rip the spinner for it to actually spin, that's what actually qualifies. So that's why sometimes if you get it up there but it doesn't actually register, it's because the spinner didn't spin hard enough to hit the switch. Okay. I thought for sure there was like an opto in the back wall, and there's none.
    57:31
    Okay. It's just the spinner. I didn't know that. I actually thought it was counting down the number of spins. I didn't realize it was basically did you hit the shot. One spin. I feel like that's like a missed opportunity there. If you had a, like it had to be 60 spins. I'm thinking about Deadpool's, what's that mode, Jedi on the Left Orbit? Yeah, the disco multi-ball. Disco. Yeah. Yeah, something like that I feel like would have been a little bit more fun, especially even in the DMV to be able to see the number of countdowns. But, shoot, I don't know what the software looked like at that point, so maybe that was difficult to do. Let me email Ronnie and see if he's got time to recode for us. Well, this was Ronnie who I think did it, and we discovered last night that it was Ronnie who set up the initial rules, but Lyman came in and finished it. Is that, yeah, kind of interesting. Well, this is another one where it is ball, then time, but time is important, so we're going to need another countdown.
    58:28
    Jedi, do you want to count us down? Oh, wait, don't yet. I'm not ready. Yeah, now I'm ready. I'm going to sit up there.
    58:35
    All right, we'll keep this one simple. Three, two, one, plunge. Both short plunged. Right into the grain. Was that on purpose? Yeah, I really shorted plunge on that one. I didn't continue.
    58:55
    So I usually short plunge to the Zen spot anyway to try to get it to my flippers right away. But it skipped over the in lanes and went right to the drain. That's not what I wanted to do. Is this a backhandable shot?
    59:13
    It can be, but it's not very easily made backhandable. I've also made it via the upper flipper.
    59:21
    Yeah, I banked it before off that upper flipper. Yeah, you can kind of bank it off of this stand-up post next to the bumper and get it in there, but it's almost too tight of a shot to do it right off the left flipper. Penn is still on ball one. George is on the ball two.
    59:41
    I'll call up my lightsight. Nice. That'll be helpful in a little bit. Yeah, I'm going to start it because in the chaos, I might... Might be able to do it. Maybe.
    59:55
    You have that shot pretty dialed in, George. It's... We'll see if I can get there. I watched it the other day.
    60:03
    I watched it the other day and it really seemed like you were just... Three. Yes. And... Just a little premature there.
    60:21
    Oh, my God. Do not start this multi-ball. Start it. Start it, George. No, no, no, no. See what happens. No, see what happens.
    60:29
    All right. So I need one more. Oh, no. Should have just moved the whole table. That was ball two. Oh, that's one. Yeah, I just got done through ball two.
    60:49
    Really? Oh. Well, I got cheated on that fight cycle. That's a good point. No, no, no, no. You went through there twice there, Fez, But the spinner was still moving, huh? Yeah, that's right.
    61:12
    Again, that's why that spinner moving is kind of the difficulty of it. I love it. Yeah, by the way, I just drained, so you just have to do it. You take your time.
    61:28
    Oh, my gosh. You've got to be kidding me. Come on, James. There you go. Well, I already have it lit. Problem is, I don't have a... We didn't get it, George. Okay. So let's keep on going. So let's keep going. Another game. We're going to get there. Ball four.
    61:51
    Solid start. I like where the game's headed right now. Oh, my God. I don't think either of you have hit it yet. I just hit it.
    62:07
    All right, trap. There. Nope, that did not work. I thought if I told the pinball machine what to do, it might be helpful. Apparently it was not.
    62:17
    There's two. I'll take that. It's going to give me a poor shot. Take that. All right.
    62:36
    I'll take that. I think I need two more shots maybe. There's one. Dez is right there next to you. We're just still on ball one. Now I'm on ball three.
    62:59
    Alright, last shot on Cora. I got this. Yes! Qualified and... Got it. Good job. Well done, sir. I will take that one, because, man, I'm ball four, too. This is a game I would never put quarters in. Only play this at free play. Death save. I'm kind of in the same boat, actually. And Iron Fox, throwing down the rave. That should be on. Emily O'Son, welcome to the stream, and thank you. switch back over here and we should see that little animation right there, switch it up to 2 to 3 and Seraph points out, only play this at the volume up Jedi is very interested in owning this game, mind you but Jedi, one of the coolest things, have you had an opportunity to play this game yet? I have played it, I've played it at the Pinball Hall of Fame in Vegas Okay, one of the coolest parts of this game then is the fact that the music is Daft Punk. And if you haven't played it before, man, this game with a sub and the music turned up is absolutely fantastic. And there's all kinds of mods. You guys can see it. I'm assuming... I think I saw quite a few mods on yours as well, Pez. Do you have... No. Okay. I'm sorry.
    64:23
    No, but mainly because this isn't my game. This is a temporary trade for Batman 6 and 6. Oh, right. Colorado Pinball Pub right now. This is a game that Dan bought, and it has been stock all of its life. Wow. Well, it looks amazing. And how does the game that you have from Pinball Pub play?
    64:45
    I think it does great. Something that I kind of pride myself on when I borrow games or I pin-sit games is I always try to make sure that they're fixed and working 110% of the time. One of the big problems that we had with this game when I brought it home was that the disc would give you false hits because the opto was a little bent out of the way. So like misaligned? Yeah, misaligned. And it was the vibration of the disc when it would spin, it would rattle the metal that the Optos are on just enough to misalign them. And it took me forever. I took them out. I re-soldered the boards. I re-soldered the actual Optos. I was almost going to buy new Optos. Then I found out that you can't see it because they're not on my screen, but the right one, the right Opto you can get to pretty easily. The left one you can't. It's kind of with the way that the core is shot is right next to the recognizer. What I actually did was I bent the middle a little bit so that the holes for the optos were actually aligned, and that fixed the problem. So I did that, cleaned it. Of course, the only way to clean the back ramp is by taking all the ramps off, which is awful. Oh, my gosh, yeah. Yeah. Again, just like Twilight Zone, just like Indiana Jones, which is the game that I had before Tron from the pub. Indiana Jones is my favorite pinball machine the pinball adventure from Williams which do you still have or was that a temp trade That was a temp trade When I brought that one back to the pub I asked for this one So then I brought this one home rather than Batman 66. So that's been going on for a year, by the way. But Indiana Jones, I took everything apart to that one to clean and replace all the rubbers, and getting the Path of Adventure off of it, awful. It makes me not want to own the game. Jedi, you may not want to own this game because it's a pain in the butt to maintain.
    66:50
    Yeah, this one doesn't break down all that well. Or all that often, though. Also, a couple different things. First of all, Mr. Hardlock just redeemed a Don't Panic Brick shirt. Redeemed the... Oh, and redeemed an MPT-3K shirt tonight as well. So now you got DPF and MPT-3K. Mr. Hardlock, if you're not already on the Discord, go ahead and whisper me here just reminding me or letting me know that you redeemed a shirt or if you're on the Discord, hit me up there. I have a link that I'll send you and a code and it's all set up to where if you click the link, add it to your cart and purchase it using the code, it's at no cost to you and the shipping is all you basically handle the shipping on that. So yeah, congratulations. I'll give Mr. Hardlock a code, George. I'm sorry, wrong whisper. Oh, got it. And Try to Tilt, welcome to the stream. Now, Oz, Eric, you're asking about the arcade machine over the scoop. I do want to take a second, because this is really fun, I feel like, in this game, because there are so many mods, right? One of the reasons why I think Tron gets so desirable is because of all these mods that have come about since it's released. Yes. It's just ridiculous. And what we have here is, yeah, so there's an active Tron arcade machine right here over the scoop. It's like a fully functioning arcade game. And then just to the right of that, you can't, it's kind of hard to see, but there's a Flynn's sign over here. This has replaced color-specific plastics that go around the game. It also has the ramp lights that integrate with what's happening currently in the game. so it's not just lit up, but the colors change on those, which were installed by Extra Paul, a.k.a. Bumper Nugget. Thank you so much. You've got the metallic pop caps up here. And then also in the back, once again, kind of hard to see, but this has lit up much larger light cycles in the back. And then the recognizer itself has a light inside of it right here. You can see that orange light. So yeah, that is just part, I feel like, of all of the mods. And then what you can't see here is this also has a, I think they call it a lenticular translate, which means as you look at it from different angles, it looks 3D. And it has custom lighting, and it has a cool topper, and I'm trying to think, is there anything else? There's so many things you can put into this game. It's insane, all of the mods that could potentially be installed in this. Yeah, this one has the lenticular Translight. That's Translight, so cool. And the custom lighting kit, by the way, on that, so there's a beam going up the center, and it's that moment at the, I mean, it's got to be 20 years old at this point, so we're not spoiling anything, but at the end of the movie, there's a moment with a beam as Olivia Wilde and Sam Flynn are leaving, and they have their hands up, and there's a custom lighting kit in here which makes it look like the beam is moving constantly that looks really, really cool on that. I call that the portal.
    70:12
    And the movie only came out 11 and one month ago. Oh, wow. Was it really that recently? Okay. Really? Portal. Yeah, it was November 2010 is when it came out. okay so what do we have next this is the one i'm most excited about uh so we just did core multivolve this one is sea of simulation you have to get to see a simulation now we have been very particular about you have to get to see a simulator whatever the objective is and it's ball first then timing all of that goes out the window if it doesn't matter it's just the first person to get to it the only thing you can't do is like take the glass off and cheat but whatever pretty much after that. You just get to see a simulation. This is going to take a bit and it may take a few games. Do we want to cap it though? I think we're at 11 after 11. We still have four more modes after this. Do we want to say cap it at three games or do you feel like maybe we just go until we get it?
    71:19
    I'm good with go until we get it. Go until we get it. But I mean if Jedi, if you want to keep a track of the time, and if we hit like 1130 or something like that, and we're just keep on going, just kill it. That's essentially a good way to do it. 18 minutes you have. Okay.
    71:39
    Do you want to go over how we do it? Yes, please. So I'm going to focus here on you, and if you want to walk us through how one gets to Sea of Simulation. All right. So the overall objective to Tron is to get to Portal, but you have to finish all the modes to get to Portal. But if you start all the modes, and like we said before, this ladder here represents the modes, and when they start flashing is when you have started the modes. So it's Flynn, Gem, Clue, Zeus, Korra, Disk, Light Cycles, Recognizer, and Tron. As long as you have started those modes, then you have an opportunity to shoot into the arcade.
    72:23
    Focus. You get into the arcade and you start Sea of Simulation. There's actually nothing on the play field that says that Sea of Simulation is available. I don't even know if the DMD does it. I just know that it's available. Usually it's the flasher that is inside the arcade. And I don't know if yours, George, if you've got the actual screen that's showing the arcade,
    72:50
    how you would be notified that Sea of Simulation would be ready. Because the little light that's behind this stock arcade plastic toy here flashes, and that lets me know that Sea of Simulation is ready to go. Okay.
    73:06
    I have no idea. I just basically look at the play field and be like, oh, Sea of Simulation must be on the scoop because I've got lights on all of these modes in the middle. As long as you see all of these blinking or solid, you're good to go. And really, you don't have to complete the modes. You just need to at least have started the modes. Probably the hardest one to do is probably gem on purpose. Right.
    73:32
    Okay, that sounds good. And this one is timed, and it's just timed. We don't care about anything else. So if you feel like you're having a crappy game, restart and do it all over again. Whoever finishes first. Yeah. Jedi, you want to count us down?
    73:49
    Yep. All right, you have 60 minutes, gentlemen. Feel the rhythm. Feel the rhyme. Plunge on up. It's pinball time. Three, two, one, go. Oh, I plunged the second arrow. Yeah, it's okay. All right. With short plunging, I actually started one, and I finished one by shooting the right orbit. And the short plunge is a skill shot as well, right? Well, the short plunge into the arcade is a skill shot. The short plunge into the zen is not. But you do have an opportunity to go up the left ramp for that skill shot.
    74:26
    But just going down the stream, George. What's that? There was a rough drain there, George. Oh, that was so mean. There we go. And light cycle.
    74:43
    Technically, recognizer is finished because recognizer has dropped. Now, are either of you going to start a multiball to give you some protection here? Yes. I am going to go for Gist while making progress for other things.
    75:08
    Like, my life cycle is lit, but I may or may not start it. I don't know. Okay. Completing one of the Tron sets qualifies your Tron mode. So, again, that one's another one of those things that happens by accident.
    75:28
    Because you almost always run into the Tron targets eventually. may have moved the game just a hair. Just a hair. Nah.
    75:41
    All right, you got a light cycle or a disc multi-ball going? I have a disc multi-ball going. I could technically, if I wanted to, just try to get the achievement, drain out of it, and move on.
    75:55
    I'm not saying that I drained out of it on purpose, but it's not that it was a bad strategy. Right. Okay, send me one more.
    76:06
    Let's see if it works. We were all right on top of that. Oh, no. Light cycle and clue will start at the same time.
    76:21
    Okay, so I got gem, clue, Flynn, light cycle, recognizer, and tron. I just need Quora, Zeus, and disc.
    76:30
    We got gems? Yep, I hit it three times in a row. Wow. I'm just used to it. I'm using light cycles to qualify for a...
    76:50
    Oh, my gosh. All right. That is game. Starting up again. Alright, George is on game two. We still on ball three. Yeah, let's call it game one. I need to qualify for it.
    77:16
    I'm not qualifying for it. One more to go. There's more down there. And? Get back in the dens of arsonists. I love the drains. Give me more.
    77:53
    Thank you, nerd. Captain Zanzibar, how you doing? Captain Zanzibar is going to be in Colorado soon. I'm very excited. Yeah.
    78:10
    Fire Peanut says, I saw LaserLos doing CF simulation speed runs. He was doing plunges on all the multi-ball shots to hit the Dems. Yep.
    78:30
    There it is. You got it. You got... Oh! Nicely done! Man! Well done. I would like to say I feel bad for not completing any of the last... I was going to say something about your arcade light flashing, and I was like, I don't know. No, no. Wow, freaking play. Dang. King of Tron is absolutely right. Well said, Meta Knightman.
    79:09
    Whew, this is going to be hard to catch up on here. Two to four. Normally I don't play it like this. Usually what I'll do is I'm always playing for Portal, so I'm always trying to get the thing. So when I started Quora, after I finished it, then I'm like, oh, I have to drain out of Quora in order to get into speed simulation faster. And it was just like, I don't know if I want to do that.
    79:32
    Okay. So the next question I got for you, Pez, is you're pretty big in the Colorado pinball community. In fact, that's how I originally met you. And you were helping specifically Colorado pinball. So Snow and Paul, I had seen you streaming on their channel a bunch and then ran into you at a number of different events, either in Denver or all around Colorado.
    79:59
    How did, is that just in general kind of how you, because of you getting into pinball that that happened? How, I guess, how exactly did you get in so well, I guess, versed in the community around Colorado? Okay, so the Rocky Mountain Pinball Showdown and Game Room Expo, which is the annual event that Dan Niklich and his family put on every year. And I guess this was their 14th time doing it because we had to skip last year. I didn't realize Dan, who is also the owner of the Colorado Pinball Pub, he had games on location at the Arapahoe Bowling Center, which is actually really close to me in work. It's like in between, so I could go there during lunchtime. And I accidentally ran into Dan, and Dan was just like, well, if you're interested in pinball, why don't you come to one of our pinball leagues? So I started getting into the, again, this was 2018, and I kind of started falling into the pinball scene at that point. I had no idea that competitive pinball was a thing. And like we talked about before, I had enjoyed playing pinball. I enjoyed going to places. the bowling alley had that nice room of games that was there. The three-up was just opening, or the one-up Greenwood Village, as we are supposed to call it, but we affectionately like to call it the three-up.
    81:26
    You know, that one was just opening, and there just happened to be a lot of pinball going around, and so I was just starting to hit a lot of the things. And then I accidentally fell into watching pinball streamers, starting with probably Jack Danger with Dead Flip. Dead Flip, mm-hmm. Because he was just in your face like every evening as I was wrapping up work, and then that kind of fell into watching Colorado Pinball Collective, watching Don't Panic Flip, watching Pinsomniac, watching, you know, just other people. And so I just kind of got involved with that, and then any time that I would find myself at an event and I would recognize these people, I'd try to introduce myself. So then I befriended a lot of people, and I think that's – I try to be a very friendly and helpful guy any time I get to. So when somebody said, hey, would you mind helping us out with this stream, or would you like to help us out with this tournament, I said, yeah, sure. Just show me how it's done, and I'll do my best to try to help you out as best as I can. Yeah, and that's a really good point, too, is I've seen you actually help out at a bunch of tournaments. So specifically the camping one that we just did, you and Snow, and who's the guy who actually runs that camping? Russell, right? Yeah. So all three of you guys back behind the desk or dealing with issues when they happen, when someone's got that hand up waiting for a tournament director. Well, what was kind of funny is that Snow kind of just asked me to do it. And, of course, I usually say yes without question. But that first night that we were there And George you hadn't gotten there just yet But we had Scheduled a stall ball tournament That was everybody pays a dollar Just playing the stall ball tournament And Snow And Russell were trying to get Away from the desk for a while To get to All of the games that were all around the campsite And they wanted to Find out whatever objectives They hadn't decided on objectives for all the games in the campground. And so she just saw me walking into the pavilion. She's like, I need you right now. You're running stall ball. And I was like, absolutely, let me go ahead and do it for you. So I gave them an opportunity to get away from behind the desk. Yeah, I really enjoy helping out. It's kind of one of those things. I can participate in tournaments and come in 12th all the time, or I can help out in the tournament, and hopefully everybody has a good time. So that's what I like to happen. Okay. Hell yeah. Well, you're not coming in 12th now. Let's see what that next objective is. I'm so bad about the segues. I just want to throw it out there. I saw The Fifth Element when I was a kid way too many times. And The Fifth Element, MPT3K can tell you the kind of editing that's actually used in The Fifth Element where somebody says something about, like, sandwich, and then it cuts to a scene where somebody is taking a bite of a sandwich. It's like it's thematic or I don't know what that style of editing is, but I try to do that in like everyday life. So I apologize if it's like dad level pun style on that note. Let's take a step back, George. Let's take a step back. So I'll say, so I could either play in tournaments and come in 12 all the time or I could help out in tournaments, and hopefully everybody can achieve what they're trying to do in the tournament. Speaking of achievements, our next objective happens to be starting Light Cycle and Quora Multiball at the same time. Dave, thank you so much for that wonderful layup. Dave, are you trying to say that rocked, perhaps, Jedi?
    85:17
    Of course it did. Okay. Also, Pinball with Leeloo Dallas Multipass. She knows it's a Multipass. Yes. My God. Dave, can you walk us through, actually, we've already done Lifecycle and Quora Multiball. Is there anything unique about trying to bring those in simultaneously? No, there's not. The Quora and Lifecycle is the only two Multiballs that you can bring in together at the same time, and you can actually stack them while one of them is running. And that's what I tried to do while we were trying to get the Quora Multiball, is I started light cycle to try to get more Cora shots. All you really have to do is, for the first time around, it gets harder every time that you try to start the multiballs, is that you get the four light cycle shots and light cycles here. You can either start it at that time or you can hang on to it and hit Cora five times. As long as you do that combination, both of these yellow and green lights will light into the arcade. and as long as you shoot them in, if they're both lit, you start them both at the same time, it starts a three-ball multiball. Or if you're in light cycles and qualify Korra, then the Korra light will light. You can shoot it into the arcade then. Vice versa, if you have Korra multiball going and then you shoot the light cycles, while you're in Korra multiball, you can qualify light cycles. You just need to get it in the arcade sometime while Korra or light cycles is running. There is a very graceful grace period that you can qualify those to.
    86:56
    I think you'll qualify light cycles sooner because it only takes four shots to get there. Cora, you have to hit one specific shot five times to do it. So there's a chance that you might start light cycles and then get Cora qualified. But if you start Cora first, there's an opportunity to add balls. to it. Right. So, it might be easier to start core and then get light cycles, but either way, we'll get it done.
    87:25
    Okay. I think. Let's get her done. This is one that's going to be, we're going back to ball first, then time. So, Jedi McMuffin, I've got a ball started, and it looks like Pez is also set. Do you want to count us down?
    87:42
    Okay, simple this time. Three, two, one, plunge. Give me that back. Thank you. The wonderful pinball big and good stuff. Give me that back, please. Please, give me that back. Please, pretty please. Alright, we're going to try this left ramp here. Nope. What is the add-a-ball shot for light cycle or Cora? Light cycle does not have an add-a-ball shot, but the Cora does, and it's three hits to the recognizer for up to two add-a-balls. After the second add-a-ball, the recognizer will actually go down, and the disc will be open at that point. That way you know you've done both add-a-balls at that time. If you start Light Cycle and then Quora, it'll actually launch another ball into the playfield. So you'll get the third ball from Light Cycle. So I guess technically an add-a-ball for Light Cycle would be to start Quora.
    88:57
    Oh my god, one more shot. To just start a mode, one of the multi-balls. Gimme gimme. There you go. There we go.
    89:21
    Evil Peepers! Raining with a party of four. Oh my god, he just ran out. Oh my god, I just ran out of lights, I guess. Oh no! There it is. Okay. I just have to hit six shots to start light cycles now. George just started light cycle.
    89:46
    Bring it out of it, George. I'm trying. Doing that left door without the chain. Ah! No! Alright, so now we're doing Quora.
    90:19
    Left ramp. We're going to try left orbit. Totally got there. I think I just need one more shot to get back in the life cycle. No, two more.
    90:30
    Evil Peaches, by the way, thank you so much for raiding us. Thank you. The hat's off. What was that? I'm going to start ball number four. Okay.
    90:48
    So I just started Quora, and I think I need maybe one or two shots on that. Are you also on ball four, George? No, I'm on ball two or one.
    91:00
    He went one. I'm on ball five. It's a tron. We've got a quarter going. All right. Right orbit. John Durbin subscribed. John!
    91:44
    Ooh, I'll take that. It's going to hurt. Pinball? Gee, you could be playing pinball. You're watching someone else pinball? You're like the sad guy at the bar who didn't bring any frigging quarters. Hope you have a great day. Cheers. Thanks so much for watching. You just got to get back into light cycle here, right George? Yes.
    92:11
    All right, one shot to get back into light cycle. At that right orbit? Yep, right orbit. Beautiful, this is the shot. Moment of truth. Nope, this is the shot. Thank you. All right, we got this. Right orbit.
    92:44
    And? We have a high plane. Light cycle and Quora did it. I have no idea what ball I'm on. I couldn't even get it on ball six. You're on ball two.
    92:55
    Is it ball two? Yeah. I got both bits. Okay. Woo. I'll take that. Oh, my gosh. We're on a hype train. Captain Zanzibar, thank you so much for the bits. Flipstream, thank you for the bits. Flipstream, welcome to the stream.
    93:13
    I'm going to let that drain out. Was it ball two or ball one? I think it was ball two. It had to be ball two. Okay. Cool.
    93:24
    And. Excellent game, thank you. And keeping it close. How did you get a rush already? Pinsomniac, who got a rush?
    93:39
    Oh, that was a joke. Because Tron and Rush. Pinsomniac, welcome. Oh, man, I'm so happy that I was able to keep the score a little bit close because five is going to be pretty tough to come back from there. He's joking. Yeah, Meta Knight Men. A, no jokes go over my head. My reflexes are too fast. I would always catch it. But if that wasn't the case, no, everything goes over my head. I don't really realize in general that jokes are happening. John Durbin, thank you not only for that tier one sub, but also for 100 bits. That is appreciated. Thank you. And if you just joined us from the raid, tonight it is a iron pinball battle. It is me versus Pez Johnson. Pez Johnson here in the middle. and commentating up at the top, that is Jedi McMuffin. And the next question in between rounds here is exactly what we were just talking about. Guys, Rush was not only announced last week, but we got to see the game today. Jedi, what are your thoughts? And then I'll ask Dave.
    94:46
    Looks like a lot of fun. I don't have a lot of experience listening to that band, so the theme is kind of lost on me to some degree. I'm going to try and get familiar with it. I do want to play it after seeing, like, the sizzle clips and things like that. But my last John Borg game made me want to smash the glass. That was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. So, yeah, I will not be ordering it until I play it, for sure. Okay. Got it. And, Pez, what are your thoughts? Well, the shots look good, and it seems like it's got a lot of flow. Thanks a lot, George. No, I don't know. So I did like the sizzle reel, the Lord of the Ring mech there, the time machine thing going in the middle. That seems like, you know, something that we haven't seen since, well, Lord of the Rings.
    95:38
    And some of the ramps on the two sides. I mean, they look like they're, it seems typical now of these games that they've got, like, very steep ramps, but they're satisfying ramps. like the middle Black Widow ramp for Avengers or, God forbid, the stupid Captain Marvel. I hate that. Yeah. I think the Pro is better for that reason on Avengers. But besides that, I mean, there's a lot of those games that seem to have these steep ramps that are actually very far away. I think it'll be a lot of fun. Being the radio guy that I am And having exposure to not as much Rush as possible Because I'm not really into classic rock side of radio things I still dig a lot of Rush songs I couldn't name their catalog besides Tom Sawyer, Spirit of the Radio And 2112, the entire album But that's about it Literally all the songs I know It'll appeal to a couple of different audience members, so I think it'll do well. Okay. Hopefully it's a lot of fun to play. That's always what trumps everything. I really enjoy Iron Maiden, even though I don't really have interest in Iron Maiden the band. Right. I think it's a lot of fun to play Jurassic Park. Jurassic Park, on the other hand... What? What's your... I'm sorry. What were you about to say about Jurassic Park? Jurassic Park and I don't get along.
    97:16
    If I had it in a home environment like Tron and everything, I could probably learn to love it, but I don't.
    97:25
    Bernal! Oh my gosh! It's not a popular opinion, but it's an opinion, I guess. Okay. A couple different things, then. I feel like Rush is very similar to Tron, which is also very similar to X-Men, and I think that's great company. I really enjoy X-Men, and I have enjoyed X-Men for a while. I owned an LE. I think the LE is gorgeous, but the Pro plays a little bit better. That said, the coolest multiball intro ever is Magneto Multiball and the LE of X-Men. It's just a fun, fun game.
    98:04
    And Shaolin Bum, thank you so much for that follow. That's appreciated. it. On top of that, I like Rush. I'm not into Rush. Like, I never, I haven't been to a concert. I have a couple of records, and I like it, and I listen to it because my stepdad, who was a musician, loved Rush, so I heard it a bunch growing up, but never really got into it, but at the same time, I'm just excited because it's a band I know, and I don't dislike it, right? Like, Iron Maiden, For me, I had to turn the music off every time. And Metallica I was never into, but that was an interesting one in that it got me into Metallica, playing that game. And now I can listen to Metallica without disliking it thoroughly. ACDC, take it or leave it. A lot of the dad rock style bands.
    98:58
    And so I'm excited about this one. I like it. I do think the pacing is going to be great for pinball. very similar I think in terms of it's just the drums are great, the music is high speed so I think it's going to play really well and then on top of all of that for whatever reason when I heard Rush was coming out I'm like oh my god a music pin I'm actually interested in, it's not Beastie Boys which would have been like yeah just here take my money but I got on the list with Flippin Out Pinball and then Zach hit me up today and he like so you got in early enough You mentioned interest potentially in the LE
    99:37
    I have an LE for you if you want it. So even though I spoke, I feel like on the Discord servers, vehemently about the pro being perfect, I'm going to end up getting an LE now for it. So I'm a little bit more excited now moving forward. Yeah, sabotage multi-ball MPT-3K would have been... Yeah, Beastie Boys pin would be awesome. But, no, I think it'll be good. And, again, I think fun over theme most of the time. I'm a big fan of the Jersey Jack Guns N' Roses as well because I was actually a Guns N' Roses fan. I was a Metallica fan too. Okay. So, again, the theme appeals to me, but hopefully it's a lot of fun. I'm sure it will. I think you'll be very happy with your purchase, George. The thing that really enticed me about it was the behind-the-scenes look at the band members recording their lines.
    100:40
    I actually really like that, too, and seeing Bare Naked Ladies. I can't think of his name. Yeah, and Robertson as a part of that entire process. It's exciting. Very exciting. Yeah. Okay. And speaking of exciting, our next objective is to start. Thank you. Our next objective is to start GEM. Now, we've done this both, I think, several times here. But, Dave, can you walk us through how someone will start GEM Multiball? M-shot is the inner right loop. It is the side ramp. It's just to the north. or the left of the side ramp. It's a shot that actually goes behind the ramp and returns to your pop pumpers. You have to hit that three times in order to start it, and if you want to finish it, you just have to hit it one time while the mode is going, and it's a timed mode. It also happens to be your bonus multiplier, so if you happen to shoot that a whole bunch of times, you'll get a lot of bonus multipliers. There is a tricky way of getting the gem shot. Do you know how to do that, George? Are you talking about the plunge to get gem? Yeah, absolutely. It is the Addams Family type of shot that it comes off of the ramp into the right orbit, but it just falls off the ramp just with enough momentum to hit the switch for the gem shot. The gem shot, you have to get it around the corner and over that switch for it to actually count. but occasionally, and occasionally on my game, the auto-plunger will accidentally auto-plunge into the gem shot. What?
    102:22
    Okay, okay. I think you might need to adjust the coil sleeve. It doesn't happen very often, and sometimes it happens when too much kinetic motion actually hits, like a ball coming around the left orbit will ram into a right orbit shot, and the only way it can get out of the way is to hit the gem shot, too. Okay. If it happens, it's completely by accident. But you can plunge the gem shot. It's not necessarily a skill shot. You get no bonus points for plunging into the gem. You just get one of your gem dots to make gem progress. Got it. Okay. Is it start or complete? It's just start. You do not have to complete gem. Starting it, I think, is going to be difficult enough. We will do the ball and then time again on this one. Also, Dice wants to know about your magic trick with glass and pinball machines. That hasn't happened yet tonight, has it?
    103:20
    No. No, and hopefully it will never happen again. Recently at the bowling alley, I had to actually clean the glass out of Bram Stoker's Dracula because an accident had occurred at the bowling alley, not while I was there, and not by my fault. and we think that maybe a worker had accidentally dropped something onto the game while they were transporting something through a back door that happened to be close to the pinball machines. And having broken glass in front of Bowling Queen here and having it shatter across the floor or having it shattered in the game, I will take floor any day of the week. Oh, yes. Yeah, glass in a game is bad. Bad news bears. Bad news. Cleaning it is difficult enough. Whittle Scooter and the soft-boiled egg. Do you like your Ultraman? And that is back there. I am actually trying to get rid of my Ultraman. I think the playfield layout is fun. I think there is a lot of potential there for that to be a great game. I also know that they don't have a lot of veteran coders, and it might be another year or so before that game is ready for primetime or even anything close to what at least Rick and Morty was at.
    104:38
    That's kind of like Legends of Valhalla from American Pinball. It's still like, it's about a year away being coded correctly. Well, and on top of that, it's not American Pinball doing the coding for Legends of Valhalla. They don't own the code. They don't touch any of it. It is all being maintained and done by the people who created the game. And it's not even over on their platform. So whatever methodologies they have for code development and building, it's not following that. So I'm hesitant for that reason alone on Valhalla, but that said, it did actually play. It played pretty well. I wasn't a huge fan of the middle shot, but not something I would not play if I saw it on location. It's on location at the Pinball Pub. Oh, it is at the Pinball Pub. Okay, nice. Just let you know. And speaking of the pinball pub, no, I couldn't make that.
    105:31
    Are you ready to finish now? Yeah, I am. We have 14 minutes left in the scheduled time, but we have three challenges to complete here, so we better get moving. Okay. We're still on Start Gem, right? Yes. Start Gem.
    105:48
    All right. Three, two, one, plunge. That wasn't even close. Yeah, I went way too soft. Hey, Chad, let's get some odds going in here. Who do we think is going to be in this? Oh, my God, I got a gem off the skill chat.
    106:07
    I'll take it. That's the way to do it. I say plunge into the arcade 100% of the time. I know that Escher was talking about yesterday that he's more used to it being on tournament mode, so no one gives you 500 points.
    106:19
    Oh, my God. We're not playing that way. No, no. All right, gem off the plunge. So close. I don't know if I'm going to just get that disc open so I can...
    106:37
    And we... Nine out of ten as we'll win. Got it off the stick. Oh, my God. Get there. It was close. It was a close thing.
    106:53
    Dice says my strategy is don't drain. That's pretty spongy. All right, gem. So Quora? Nope. There we go. Second gem.
    107:13
    One more. I think Legacy says bank it off the Tron letters. Yeah, I got the first one that way. Ah! Did I already get ball three on that? Not another chance. No, it came around. Oh, too much.
    107:36
    Whew. All right, I'm going to start light cycle. Wait, can I start gem in light cycle? Yes, you can.
    107:43
    No, I'm not. You're crying. I'm going to speed it up. Oh my god, I cannot find any shots! Find Quora. We got this. Right there, and... Got it! Gem started. What ball are you on, though? I just finished the game. Oh, okay.
    108:33
    Got another one. I'll take it. Where do you see gems? Oh, so there's not really a way on the play field to keep track of the progress. You just have to know that you get it three times. Yeah, you have to just go around this bend. that is this right inner loop that goes underneath the side ramp. Did you know that in the parts list, they actually list the ramps backwards? Yeah, somebody told me about that recently. Oh, it may have been Bumper Nugget. The shoot on the left is called the right ramp, and the side ramp is actually called the left ramp because of how they return to the flippers. Yes, absolutely. Extra Paul, if you're still on, didn't we encounter that exact issue? I think we did. I'm not actually going to wait for a response there because that would be silly. Okay.
    109:24
    Why did I turn that? Thank you. I'm taking that one. We are tied up at four to four. I don't know why I keep trying to turn the game off right now. But what is our next objective since we are coming close to the end here? Eat green mobs.
    109:39
    Eat green mobs. Okay. So we've been through, I feel like, enough of these. Rather, I'm going to switch back to chatting. Now, maybe talk through a little bit of what our thoughts are on this. Obviously, Flynn, if you can short plunge into it, or short plunge into the Zen, like you mentioned earlier, starts it. And then you find the one shot that's roving. Seems like a pretty easy first target. Then hitting the Recognizer three times seems like a really good second target. But after that, Dave, what's your thoughts?
    110:13
    I would maybe, because if you short plunge to the Zen and you get that one-time collection on the Tron, if you could just do that three times or just hit your Tron targets, you can actually complete Tron pretty quickly. Okay. The other modes, you have to not only start them but finish them. And so maybe Zeus would be another good one to get. That's the four targets?
    110:43
    Yeah, I mean, you would be doing Zeus one time and then just spelling it again. So a total of eight shots. Okay. But sometimes you can rattle that ramp and get both the Z and the U at the same time. I've also seen it where it goes off the S and the U because of how it ricochets.
    111:01
    Okay. I mean, there's lots of other options, but, yeah, I'll have to say Flynn and Recognizer are probably the easiest two because that's what I actually did to complete the other objective. Oh, yeah. No, no, no. I'm referencing that because, yeah, you nailed that round. So those are the two I'm doing at this point. Yeah. Okay.
    111:22
    Awesome. I'm going to switch over to this view here, and I want to try and say my news correctly, and it's been a while since I've tried. So I'm going to try and count this down here.
    111:34
    Feel the rhythm, do the thing, eat the stuff, and here's your bling. Plunge away. What? Yeah. And I missed the short plunge. Oh, I totally forgot about the short plunge. Yeah.
    111:57
    I thought I got recognizer finished. Somebody earlier asked about the midnight. And the reason that we're streaming the midnight is because the midnight during the beginning of COVID mentioned immediately allowed streamers to stream their music without fear of getting a bad mark.
    112:24
    I did not know that. Yeah. They came out on Twitter immediately saying, hey, streamers, we know there's, since COVID, the RCAA or whatever has made it really difficult to stream music on Twitch. Go ahead and use our music, which I thought was just awesome. And on top of that, I happen to really like their music. Wow. After all of that.
    112:51
    So I started Zeus. But I drained. That sucked. So the easy ones to complete are Flynn and Zeus, right? Yeah.
    113:11
    Flynn and the Recognizer. Because with the Recognizer down, you finish it. Crap. Oh, it's there. It's moving.
    113:27
    There we go. I'm actually done. Nicely done. Flynn Zeus and Recognizer got done. I just finished Flynn and the Recognizer.
    113:41
    Man, well freaking played. That's awesome, dude. I got lucky with Zeus. The Sling gave me the E, and then I did do that S and U kind of combo. Yeah. Dang. Nicely done. here we are four to five coming into this last round uh and man it has been me the entire night trying to just keep up with you dave so excellent job seriously on tron i i've seen you stream tron a number of times which is why when i got tron the first person i thought of to potentially battle when i got tron in here was like i i gotta battle pets johnson like you've been streaming tron for quite a while now. Well, I really appreciate the invite, George. This has actually been a lot of fun and stuff like that. So thanks very much. Well, thank you. Now, extra ball. This one is unique. We have not gone over how to achieve an extra ball. So I'm going to switch this scene over to you, Dave. Can you walk us through how one lights and actually gets an extra ball? 12 ramps. Done. That's it. Well, 12 ramps, and then the top arrow will light at the arcade. It says extra ball on it, and then you go into the arcade, and you collect the extra ball. And it's either ramp. So if you go up the left ramp or the side ramp, both of them count as shots. A lot of times, I will find myself getting to the extra ball by accident if I'm in White Cycles and Quora, because you start to complete light cycles by hitting the left ramp.
    115:23
    So it always seems like it just kind of happens in kinetic motion. There is, on a typical set game, there is a pity extra ball that would very rarely come up in the mystery. Oh, interesting. Yeah, and I think it just straight up gives it to you. But I do believe it's a pity extra ball, and I think you have to play less than 30 seconds or something like that. And then you also would have to get the mystery award. So a lot of times with the way that we play, it doesn't happen very often. Okay. And Death Save Dave is suggesting left ramp, easy shot, 12 times, shoot the scoop. And the cool thing about the left ramp is that it feeds your right flippers, so you should be able to just loop it 12 times. And that's why it's called the right ramp in the Stern Parks catalog.
    116:15
    It returns right. I don't know why they did that. That is very odd, but, yeah, it's backwards. There's no question. Now, this is another one that's going to be ball and then time. Jedi, do you want to count us down?
    116:34
    Sure. Feel the rhythm. Feel the rhyme. Plunge on up. It's pinball time. Three, two, one, plunge. Point.
    116:45
    There's one ramp. There's no ramp. Still no ramp. Well, then I'm aiming for it. Little slidey action there. Little slide. We're fine. We're all fine here. There's two.
    117:10
    I heard a slide. I mean, physically, I heard the slide. I didn't hear it over the stream. I was just like, was that movement from Fort Collins? I think it was.
    117:23
    You felt the wind from it. That's right. Yes. I hope Wyoming is disturbing the grid. I am really struggling with finding this left ramp right now. There it is. He doesn't keep on calling you for left to roll the right.
    117:46
    That joke is never going to get old. I'm going to keep on saying it. Oh, my gosh, game. No, don't crawl up that.
    118:10
    All right. Give me a ramp, maybe? Nope, I'm going to get a recognizer there. Wow. Wow, game. Okay. What happened?
    118:29
    It just kicked it immediately into my right outline. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. and wow there goes all three balls very quickly whoo you're on ball three yes were prediction points for the whole series or the last challenge I'm not sure I did not set up the prediction God bless America Hey, we got a light click that's qualified. I'm going to take it for a ball session. Oh, yeah.
    119:11
    Maybe I won't take it for a ball session. No, you don't need it. No biggie. Okay. Are we on ball four? Ball four. Ball four it up.
    119:22
    There's one. Is anyone going to try the not-drain strategy? Oh, no. Apparently not. Nope.
    119:44
    There you go, Paz. Keep going. Jedi. Thank you, Jedi. No. Fantastic. That was beautiful. Yeah, nice loop going. One of my college gym classes, I needed to take, like, bowling and golf or something like that. And I was, like, just bowling strikes, just bowling strikes. And the teacher was just like, wow, you've got a really great form going on there. He literally busted it. And I'm like, yeah, okay, thanks.
    120:22
    Yep. That's what happens. I'm already on ball six. I'm on ball five. No. Nope. Maybe at least get the side room, too. I don't know why that's not happening.
    120:57
    I'm not saying anything. You've done some good work, John. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good times, good times.
    121:07
    I don't know what I'm at right now. I think it's like maybe six. I think it's a little further along than that right now.
    121:17
    Maybe by a smidge. Yeah, not much. All right, so I've got light cycle lit. I'm going to take it. No, I'm not.
    121:31
    There we go. Go light cycle. There it is. Come on, I want a Quora. Come on, give me Quora. Yeah, give me both of those back.
    121:51
    Oh, it's lit. Oh, in the arcade. Did you get it? You got it. You got this. Oh my God. For goodness sakes.
    122:11
    George, what are you doing in there, you dumbass? No, I'm trying to Jordan's speed. No, it's okay. Oh my God. Hit this left ramp.
    122:24
    I don't think I hit one center ramp. Nice, dude. Balls are juggling. I am curious. Are you on the third ball of your second game, though? Yeah, ball six. Ball six, okay. Oh, I'm on ball two of the second game. Do it.
    122:45
    Oh, I get to shoot again. I love how surprised you were just then. All right, cool, cool, cool. Come on, we've got this. We've got this. Left ramp. Find the shot.
    123:09
    The big difficulty about this game is that while you do other animations, or if other animations overtake how many ramps that you have, it won't show you how many ramps you have unless you go into the instant info. So, like, if you find Flynn just then, or if you would do the side ramp to qualify one of your light cycle shots, it'll do the light cycle animation rather than the six ramps to go for extra ball. It'll actually count up the ramps, and it'll say that you have seven ramps, and then it'll say extra ball at 12, and then it says extra ball at 100 if you want to do that many.
    123:53
    That's a lot of ramps. But well freaking played. I'm not sure if you can see it, but Pez, you are the iron pinball champion this evening. George, I completely salute you.
    124:11
    Honestly, guys, don't panic flip. George takes so much time to put together such an excellent stream. Not only him, but his group of friends at the Pinball Network, and they kind of share the ideas and everything like that. It just keeps getting pinball streaming better and better. So I salute you totally, George, and I really do appreciate the opportunity to do this. Well, thank you very much. My hat's off to you. That's appreciated. Flipstream, I owe you a Screaming Sun redemption. Don't do it again. It's not enabled on this stream right now. I meant to go turn it off and totally spaced it. Do you want me to do it? I'll just do it live. Yeah, please. No, now you've got to do it live. That's a redemption. Yes. Oh, that's great. Where's Buffer Nugget when you need him?
    125:03
    So, congratulations. Huge win. Thank you so much. I've got an Iron Pinball X1 Champ logo that I'm going to have to send to you via Discord. You feel free to use that wherever and however you want to.
    125:18
    Thank you, George. Let's see here. Whittle Scooter, it's going to take a long time to get $35K for merch. Oh, boy. Whittle Scooter, I mean, you talk about that. We've been going for, it'll be four years in April. You could instead save up for $150 and get yourself a tattoo.
    125:37
    There you go. Evil Peaches, you're right there with me. Get a tattoo. I'm not spending any points until $150. Jedi, if you hit $150, are you getting a tattoo for yourself or are you making me get a tattoo? Who?
    125:50
    You. Okay. I thought maybe. Well, thank you again, both. That was awesome. I'm going to do quick shout-outs here. So if you guys are not already following Pez Johnson, I just typed that in. Go ahead and click the link, click the follow button, and in addition, nice, nice, I like that, yeah. So that is the LaserDisc, right? The LaserDisc collection, yeah. That's awesome. And if you're not following Jedi McMuffin, please click that link. Click the follow button.
    126:30
    Yeah, and Flipstream, thank you. Shout out Jedi McMuffin, exactly. Oh, man, look at all that gear. Tron V. Is that an Xbox game? No, that game was fun. It's for the computer. It's a Windows game.
    126:44
    The original CD release. The vinyl original soundtrack. The Blu-ray actually hit the floor, so. Okay. I kind of have a fascination about Tron. I played Tron 2 for PC.
    127:01
    Oh, you did? And actually, Tron for PC was a set-up prequel to Tron Legacy. There's a very small throwaway line that Cora says as they are riding the solar sailor towards the portal. And as they're doing that, she says that a sympathetic program smuggled me out during the purge. Well, you are that sympathetic program. Yeah, wasn't there a game before that one, though?
    127:33
    Just this one is all I know about. I thought there was Tron 2 before that. Yeah, Disney did release a Tron 2.0, and that one actually should have been a better sequel to Tron overall.
    127:48
    Actually, it kind of flip-flops the role. It's Alan Bradley's son rather than Sam Flynn. Wow. Okay, the other side of it. Also, Loose Flip, good morning.
    128:00
    No, it was called Tron 2.0, you were a jet. Okay, Flipstream's just, I think, agreeing with you there. And, yeah, thank you guys, everyone, for joining us. Make sure to follow. What have we got coming up here in the near future? So today is Tuesday, which means that you, Pez Johnson, will be streaming tomorrow night. Is that correct? Monday, Wednesday, and Friday? Yeah, that will be after Colorado Pinball. So I usually, I'm kind of like their late, late show that follows them. Okay. So 11 p.m. Mountain Time. and keep in mind then that my schedule has changed I'm now streaming on Don't Panic Flip two days a week and on the Pinball Network on Thursday so Thursday I'm coming on early I think it's 8pm Mountain Time on Thursday I'll be on Pinball Network, twitch.tv slash pinball network, also Facebook, YouTube, and now Trovo which I don't even understand Trovo at this point and then next it is a thing It's a thing. It's very similar to Twitch. In fact, their interface is an exact copy of Twitch. I'm surprised they aren't getting in trouble for that one.
    129:11
    I'm pretty sure it's the ex-Twitch founders type thing. Yeah. They have a couple of name changes here and there. Like, you can buy magic spells and things, but I don't even... Whatever. But next Tuesday is our next Iron Pinball Battle, and that's going to be with Frisco Pinball. And then just lined it up before this stream, and that's going to be on Godzilla and the week after that Tuesday so two weeks from now will be an iron pinball battle with Anvil 82 or 87 I just said that and I realized I didn't know Anvil who has Jurassic Park will be battling with Anvil on that following Tuesday so we've got another two iron pinball battles coming up really looking forward to it and once again Dave and Tommy thank you so much this evening for making all of this happen. I had a lot of fun.
    130:06
    I had a lot of fun, too. Thanks a lot, Jedi, as well, and thanks, George. Yeah, you guys. Thank you. I had a blast. Have a good one. Let's go find someone to send all this raid love to, and we'll see everyone on Pez's, Jedi's, and my streams again in the future. See you guys. Have you been inundated with ads and questions related to TPN's now famous homemade pinball pudding line of puddings? Questions like... TPN's pinball pudding is so good, it must be illegal, right? What the f*** is pinball pudding? How can a collection of content creators also be a pudding? That makes no sense. And we hear you. You want to know what makes TPN so special? The answer is in TPN's secret ingredient. Simply, proof. Other puddings may say they have it too, but watch as they're unable to back those statements up. Well, I'm not a crook. Do you have evidence of that? It might be a tumor. It's not a tumor. Evidence? Evidence That's evidence Again, request for more evidence Do we have evidence of that?
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