Is this the hostable? How can I help you? You can tell me if this is the damn hostable. Yes, it is. Now, what's your problem? He's the one with the problem. Look at him. My butt hurts! Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slamtail Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Howell. Here are my co-hosts, Bruce Nightingale. Godzilla, dun-dun-dun-dun, Godzilla, dun-dun-dun-dun, or Venom, dun-dun-dun-dun, or Bond. That doesn't make any sense. Godzilla's already out, but yeah. I know. This is episode 192. Well, no, everyone's wondering if you're going to get Godzilla before or after Bond, or Venom. Because we can't make up our mind, and everyone keeps on saying, like, it's coming out, let's give you the end of August. No, it wasn't. I knew it. Yeah, and the other thing is, I'm saying it's Venom, and Bruce is insistent that it's Gomez's next title, which everyone's saying is Bond. So hopefully it's not Bond, or Bruce will be right, and that'll be bad for all of us. Yeah, it is. But we're not alone. We have a guest. We have a guest. Who do we have to run? Hi, Mike. This is Mike Magoo. He is a local pinhead from the old 518. That's right. Got to represent. Got to represent. All four of you. Got it. Very nice. And we all play at the local, Bruce. We all play at the local. That's right. What? Yeah, it's the local. It's the local. Yeah, the local what? Ah, it's family, friends, and fun, or whatever the hell it's supposed to stand for. That is correct. Oh, I got that right? All right. Everyone loves three Fs. Uh, yes. Mike, like we've been telling people, you think you want to be on, add something to the podcast. And Mike said, I want to be on. Sucker. I know. And here he is. That's my first mistake. My first mistake. So, Mike. Why don't you tell us how you got into this crazy hobby? Tell us more about yourself. See, I'm taking the first question. Yeah, I like it. Thank you. So my name is Mike. I've been doing pinball for a long time, but got started when I was a kid. I had two friends that had pinballs in their basement and just kept playing. In fact, it was a little bit too much. They were like, hey, dude, you want to hang out with us? But eventually just then got into it and found out there were actually pinballs on location, which is sweet, and realized that there's still a thing. It's still happening. Actually, I was with my wife on our honeymoon in Seattle and realized that, oh, my God, there's pinballs, like, everywhere. Have you ever been to Seattle? Yeah, you can't find them at the center. Yeah. Every single bar has. And they're not just, like, new sterns. Like, they're, like, 80s and 90s games. Like, it's just crazy. So, yeah, we realized that, hey, this is still a thing. And then, you know, five or six years ago, found on a local Craigslist, hey, there's a pin bot for sale. It doesn't work. Let's just do it. And from that point on, yeah, it just got out of control. But, yeah, that's how I kind of got into it. So it's been a fun ride, for sure. And I just like building stuff, fixing stuff. It's just one of those things I've always wanted to do. So it's been great. So, Mike, you've actually made this into a business for yourself also. Tell us a little bit about that. Well, I mean, right now we are renting out our downstairs apartment. We've made it into like a pinball Airbnb. It's called The Kickback. and basically it's going to be up and running in a couple weeks. We're really excited about it. We've got a website, kickbackislit.com, and it's just got some 80s and 90s games. It's really chill, nothing too fancy. We've got only one new stern in it, but we're looking just to rent it out and kind of celebrate pinball. It's something that's been around for a long time, and there's a lot of history to it. So we're excited to just open up the doors and have people check it out. Nice. And you've been doing some tech work at the local. Yeah. Yes, I am the tech. Well, right now we're kind of easing off from that right now. But for the past six months, I was a tech there. I've been also helping out at Pastime Pinball, which is in Vermont, Manchester, Vermont, which is also a really cool place. but yeah I've just been kind of getting my feet wet with the whole repairing and tech work with everything and honestly it's just been a blast I've enjoyed it more than I thought I would Mike is a guy I just randomly run into to a ridiculous level when Turtles came out I decided this is during the pandemic I'm going to go to Rock Fantasy like I have the day off and for whatever reason I'm going to go down there and play because it just arrived So I show up, and there's Mike. Like, what are you doing here? And then, like, I don't know, was it last year? I just, I'm going to pastime pinball. I've never been there before. I walk in, and literally the first person I see is Mike. Like, what? Yeah, just trying to get involved, you know. That was really random. I think that was the only time I went down to. That wasn't the only time? Well, the only time I went down to Rock Fantasy. It was like the one time I went there. Oh, my God. Ron, hell, what's up? When I was there, not only did I see Mike, I saw Brian and Jarrett. I know. That was funny. I was just like, what the hell? Damn, it is a small pinball world, isn't it? It's a small pinball world after all. What Mike doesn't realize, though, is this is his final appearance on the show because he wrote us a letter. Oh. And he said he's going to explain to us why Quicksilver sucks. Oh, boy. Here's your chance to explain before we hang up on you. Oh, I thought that was going to be the one game you like, one game you don't like. But, okay, yeah, let's do this. Oh, no, no, this needs special attention when you say something like that. Yeah, so, well, I'm just, wow, I didn't think it was going to be coming up so soon. Oh, yeah, we grilled the guests. We grilled the guests. Yeah, let me get my thoughts. You know, I think to defend myself, to defend my honor here. You can't say Zach hates it, too. I didn't know that. He hates it, too. Well, I think if you look at a play field of Quicksilver, it's unfortunate. It's totally like a double-edged sword because you've got the shot, which we all know. It's that four-drop target back into the spinner, one of the greatest shots in all pinball. but the problem with that shot is it blocks most of the entire playfield. You can't shoot really. There's nothing really to shoot for up the middle at all because you got that back right there. So it's, it's double edged sword. It's unfortunate. I mean, I love the game. Um, but if you looked at a playfield and you just, you can take a shuffling mark and just scribble out the entire upper part of the playfield. Cause there's, There's all that space that you don't ever really get to shoot for. It's just kind of randomly giving you quicksilver. So that's my idea. That shot, the shot that Keith Elwin says is the best shot in solid-state pinball, that particular shot that you just explained? Yeah. Oh, okay. And if you've got it on your right flipper, you go straight up, and you get past the right-hand side of the middle drop target, and you can still get up in the top area? Okay. Can we just rename the game, like, The Shot? No, because there's two shots. There's actually five shots in the game. What's the other shots? The other spinner. Yeah, that second spinner of ours. And the multipliers on the right-hand side for the drop targets, and the hole, the kick-out hole, and... That's it. Oh, my God. But look at, like, look at any other classic Stern, right? They all kind of have those three drop target banks on the right. You could kind of exchange that for anything of that era. And for me, okay, I think the issue is it commands a ton of money for that game, right? Oh, wait, wait, wait. Way too much, yeah. I agree with you there. We're not disagreeing with that part of it. If it was a $3,000 game, I'd say, hell yeah. Wait a sec. Ron, how much did you pay for your game? I don't remember. $3,200. Oh, okay. Thanks. and I paid $1,600 to $1,800 for mine. So I'm good. Yeah, you guys got it. This is not an argument. But for people that, you know, you're looking at the past sales, I mean, you don't know. I know. It is nutty. Who the hell would? I mean, if you hate green penises and stuff, too, I can see that just not being your thing. I actually love the art. I think the art's incredible. It's just so weird. It's so wacky. Like, what were they? I know, obviously, they kind of stole the art or whatever, but it's still fantastic. It's just like, what? It's still bad, but it's good. You mean the art that Ed Ed Robertson of Bare Naked Ladies had put on his guitar? Just on a silver art? Yeah. He knows what it's all about, yeah. Yeah, it's an awesome game. He has one. Well, it's a great shot. Well, you'll get to play it at stock, but we'll talk more about that later. Yes, you will. Yes, but not. Wow, we know where to take him. What game the check might say. Go right for Tresilver. Although that might backfire. But more interesting, you said you know how to pronounce Champs-Élysées correctly. Champs-Élysées, you mean? There you go. Champs-Élysées. Champs-Élysées. Oh, wow. It even sounded French when you said it. Yeah. Okay. All those years of French. It's like the first thing you learn. The only thing I know in French is oh, oh, oh, and that's it. The only other thing I know in French is drop the gun. Drop the gun. Yeah. That's what he did in World War II, didn't he? Is that the joke? Like French gun, never fired, only dropped once. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Okay. Good lord. You know, Hallett is kind of French, I think, isn't it? I think it is. Whoa, whoa. I'm going fast. Just put an E at the end of my last name and I'm a hockey player. Head X. Head E. Okay. Actually, I believe it's in French you just disregard everything after that last vowel. Just completely it's gone. So it'd be, hold on, it just fits gone. No T. T doesn't exist. Just like your favorite goalie for his Martin Broder. Broder. Broder. Martin Broder or whatever. Martin Broder. He's called Martin Broder. Just pretend you're drunk. Pretend? What do you think? It's only 925 in the morning. I'm already on my third drink. Yeah, this isn't coffee. This is going to be a long one, folks, because we haven't recorded in a while. We've had a month off. Yeah. So, you know, we've got to make up for it with just a lot of content. We've got a ton of content here. I know you're saying, like, what are you talking about? No new games have been out. There's no news. No, there's plenty of content. But first, we must talk about the most awesome thing that's ever happened. Oh, what's that? Beavis and Butthead debuting? No, we already talked about that. Oh. You forgot about that. Ron got a game. I did. I did. Well, we're going to go right that first. Okay. We're going right for that because everyone's asked about it. Yeah. Well. It's been my running eight-month joke, and now it's gone. Well, if you've been following the one thread on Pinside where they say, like, what they're building at the Stern factory, you notice Stern got into a whole Godzilla groove where they were building Godzillas for, like, three weeks straight. They were just cranking out Godzillas. So let's just say that was a positive thing for me because I have my Godzilla. He does. Oh, I do. Finally. Finally. And you know what happened for the third time? All these new Xbox games I've got, this is the third time this has happened. What do you think happened, Bruce? Well, you know what happened. I know. What do you think happened, Mike? Did the game get to your house without any phone call? Just shows up? Correct. Correct. The first fucking time this has happened. Unbelievable. Yes. So I got the game through flipping out. Hi, Zach. Other Zach. And when it was on its way, Zach, Zach knows I had issues with the last one where they didn't call. Actually, no. Was it they didn't call? No, it was that they called me when the driver was sitting out front in my house. And I just happened to be, I had that week off, and I was just sitting there. He called, and I opened the door, and there he is waving at me. It's like, oh, good thing I was home. So Zach told me, like, let me know if there's any issues. I was very specific. They're supposed to call you. You should go, you know, correct this time. Easy. Well, let's just say I didn't get any call. It was, I think it was shipped on a Thursday or Friday. I think it was like a Monday. I left work early because I wanted to get home to mow the lawn. That's the excitement of my life. So I pull up, and there it is sitting in the driveway, like against the garage. Oh, okay. Looks like I'm going to have a slight delay on the lawn mowing thing. So, yeah. You got it. I got it. It was a beautiful box, I must say. Thank goodness there was no issues with it. I mean, and if there was, I would have told him to fucking pick it up because I never signed for it. Mm-hmm. The thing was right there. It's got the driver's signature and customer's signature blank. There's no signature. I never signed anything. You never got it. I never got it as far as I'm concerned. I should be speaking like, it wasn't delivered. What are you talking about? It's so true. I'm just saying. Talk to me. So let's just say Zach was very pissed. I sent him all the pictures, and he basically asked FedEx for a refund. Nice. So did you get that money back then? I don't know if we got the money back. Yeah, but did you get it? No, remember, chipping is free. Oh, yes. So let's get back to Mike's interview because we do have a lot of stuff on the docket, but we do want to talk about Mike. Mike, how many games do you own right now? Working or not working? I don't have a question. We can go either. We can go both. Um, downstairs I think we've got 15 ready to go. Okay. Um, total I think it's 40. Okay. Yeah. How many games do you have that you're bringing to stop? I'm bringing one to stop, Ron. I don't think Bruce knows that. No, I didn't know that. What are you bringing? He's bringing my game. A game I bought. Yeah. Yeah, Ron's buying a game for me. It's awesome. Oh, what did you buy? I'll give you a clue. It was at Saratoga. and it's from your favorite manufacturer Gottlieb so it's going to be the Surf Safari oh yeah the dragon will be mine so good though I had to deal with it at freaking co-op it's not that great it's awesome you know when I was at the co-op what game did I play a ton of Surf Safari Bruce just doesn't know good games sometimes. No. He just doesn't. It's the greatest grid game ever made. Yeah. Nope, nope, nope. It's not the goodest game ever made. Oh, my God. What's the best grid game? Well, he's going to tell us that when it's a game you love, a game you hate. Yeah. We'll get to it. We'll keep listening to Steve's suspense. Oh, okay. So, Mike, you've been doing this for a while. What really kick-started it for you? You know, like, after buying your first game, was it like, I bought 10 games right afterwards, or was it like I worked my way up? Yeah, I worked my way up. Just a lot of, like, trading, and, you know, I'm a teacher. I'm not, like, a millionaire here. I've just been buying stuff, selling stuff, trying to trade stuff, get stuff in. Luckily, I have a little shop downtown Detroit, which I can store games and work on games. If it wasn't for that, this wouldn't work. But, yes, it's been awesome, for sure. And you ran a tournament for the Saratoga Show. Yep. Which was, and yeah, I think someone won here. Oh, that would be. Look at the name here. Bruce, yeah, Bruce. Yeah. Still waiting for those points, unfortunately, because you're probably having so much fun with IFPA, aren't you? They emailed me back. It's now in. It finally got in. They wanted it specific, the entry, the exact number of whatever one's score was, and I'm like, okay, I gave it a final, so what's wrong with that? Oh, no, you picked, you know. A weird flu of men. Yeah. For those at home, Bruce is winning more that he's retired than he ever won before he retired. It's amazing. I need to retire soon. I took the pressure off myself. Now it's just like, yeah, you're an asshole. You know, I just deal with it. Okay. Am I an asshole? Oh, yeah, most definitely. 100%. 110% there, baby. You can't see, but I'm nodding. you can say it i don't mind what he's like i had a new person start with me last week at my job but i'm the one training oh gosh and i train everyone oh god what is the bruce training session like oh it's great well the first words that we all in we all sit down we all introduce ourselves we tell you know hey you know where my background was that kind of stuff and so i after that i go okay i'm just saying one thing right now and my new boss is right next to me I'm an asshole, but I'm an asshole that's going to make you work better and make you better at your job and make it so you know and understand everything. So I'm going to be very specular and very precise and make sure that you learn so that everyone else's job is a lot easier. That's my spiel. I quit. Hey, my success rate is now over 85%. Wow. 85% retention. Yep, except before it was 40. There you go. Good Lord. Good Lord. It's not an easy gig, I do. All right. Game you like, game you hate. Let's just get over with. All right. Because we got so much other stuff. Yeah, we got so much. Let's get it out of the way. All right. So. You can't use Quicksilver. Quicksilver is not. Yeah, I'll take that off. You have to hate something else now. All right. So we'll go with the best game ever created. Wow. Think of the greatest music. We'll just let the listeners just kind of picture this, and then you guys can open your eyes and see if it's the right game here. Music that changes with gameplay. When you hit certain drop targets, certain things happen. And sometimes when you hit switches, it says a word. Just one of the greatest words in the English language. It's got multiple... Don't worry. It's got a spinner. It's got a really weird, bizarre skill set that we don't all understand. Doesn't work half the time. And it may be from the best manufacturer of all time, Gatling. All right. I like where this one's going. What do you guys think? I know what it is, so we'll let Bruce guess. It's one of Bruce's few favorite Gottliebs, supposedly, that you hated but then all of a sudden loved. I can't really go into the art because as soon as I say the art, it's going to just be a giant giveaway. I know, so I'm saying an alien star. Think of people that don't quite know what they're doing, but they're doing it. And don't mind if my cat just broke a bottle. I could not tell you. Oh, come on. Come on, Bruce. You should be able to guess this one. I said Alien Star. That was my guess. No, no, no, no. Bae, bae, bae, bae, bae. Yeah, there we go. Bad Girls. The greatest. It would only be better if there was some patch in the ROM where anything you hit, it just goes bad, bad. Oh, Bad Girls. Bad, bad, bad. Bad Girls. Bad Girls. It's not like you say, babe, babe, babe. It's so bad. It's good. Best game ever. Babe, babe, babe. It's amazing. It's 8-ball deluxe, but better. Yes, the best 8-ball deluxe. Sorry. Sorry, Sharky Shootout. I'm just dropping here on that one. Best 8-ball deluxe. Because I still like Sharky Shootout. Yeah, you do love Sharky Shootout, don't you? It is. It's a multiball, 8-ball deluxe, the right way, with a spinner. Nah. It's no bad girls. Sorry, though. Yeah, it's like they tried too hard with that game. I don't know. And the superior bad girl side art. Yes. So good. Yeah, it's nerves. Right. Just nerves. So who's going to sell us one? That's what we want to know, because me and Ron both do not have one, and we need one for the co-op, right? Do you agree, Ron? Yeah, Bruce needs one for the co-op. So what? I will call you guys. Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. Because you do have a lot of trade bait at the old co-op, too, you know. Yeah, you got Halloween. You got a... Yeah, there we go. I watch a Halloween, though, right now, so I'm not happy. What are you talking about Halloween? Okay, hate. What do you hate? I think, and this is also going to be one where people are going to give me a lot of hate for, but I don't particularly like Stranger Things. I don't know if... Oh, right. Okay. It feels like a 90s Sega game. Wrong. Totally fucking right. Wow. You just got on Bruce's good side now. I don't, I don't, I mean, I love, it's cool. Like, I like the theme. The theme is great. I like the UV. That's awesome. But I just, it feels cheap to me. I just, I don't know what about it. It feels just like, okay, I'm hitting drop targets. Okay, there's orbit shots. It's all about the mood. It's about the light show. It's about just the atmosphere. I play at a premium. It's cool, but I don't think it's worth the whatever insane price that people are putting them up for. Even the pros are being put up for nine right now. It's crazy. Golf clap. Very good. Very good. Thank you. And I'll take a bow. I think we're losing you. Oh, he just dropped him the call. One thing, I forgot to mention more Godzilla stuff. But when I got my Godzilla and I took it out of the box, at the bottom of the box was the clip for the coin box. Like, how did it get out of the game and end up at the bottom of the actual box? That thing got bounced around like it was no tomorrow. Well, yeah. Yeah, I opened it up, and they – well, when I moved the game, I could hear something shift. And I'm like, then I saw the clip, and I'm like, I think I know what's shifting. And, yep, the coin box had just fallen right out. It was in the back of the game because the clip fell off. Yeah, luckily the top didn't fall off and shit flew all over the – didn't fly all over the place. Yeah, that would have sucked. Yeah, the other weird part is when I went to take the back glass out, the whole back glass insert panel section was loose as fuck. Mm. because the cam on the lock was just bent to shit. I don't know what the hell happened there. Now, I looked at my rush. Is that why you got bounced around? I looked at my rush, and the cam on the Stern games, they bend it on purpose. It's not straight. Yeah. They bend it slightly just so they can fit it in the way they got the lock thing. But this thing was, like, bent and twisted, and it was just loose as hell. So I had to take the cam out and bend it in the proper position. What else did I have to do? Anything else? I don't think so. Nothing was plugged into the wrong part this time. All the switches worked. The building worked 100%. I mean, I have this weird thing that I've got to figure out on my habit trail that returns to the right flipper. When the ball comes down, instead of going through the hole immediately, it, like, bounces back a little bit and then goes through the hole. I hate that. I've got to figure that out. That's going to drive me nuts. That's going to drive me nuts. Put a washer on the one side or the other side and see if it tilts a little bit. Yeah, I don't know if it tilts. I looked at a few other ones when I was in Rochester recently, and they looked the same as mine. So I've got to figure that out because that's going to drive me fucking nuts, that piece happening. That's all it takes? Yep, that's literally all. That little thing will just ruin the game for me if I can't figure that out. Then you'll have to sell it to me. No. So let's mention Halloween. Let's talk about Halloween. Let's talk about Spooky because there is Spooky News. There is Spooky News. Wow, you sound excited. So, well, first we'll just go in. There are new hires, which one of them I already thought was there kind of. But Ben Heck and Eric Pripke. I know Eric Pripke, he did Cactus Candy Continues, and he did Rick and Morty. Yes, he did. Which, Bruce, I've kind of stopped me on the Rick and Morty thing. No, I've hardened on it more. Oh, you've hardened on it more? Okay. Yeah. The game had such potential. Because we had that at the local. And, you know, if you forgive the whole left side of the play field. Oh, the left side of the play field is a piece of shit. Not being good. The actual rules. Oh, the rules are fine. Once you realize the whole game is you need to get as many megaseeds as possible. Yeah. I don't know. It kind of started to float my boat there, that whole thing. I started winning in league because I just went for mega seeds, and no one else knows to do that. So I would just win on mega seeds. Yeah. Mike's writing this down now, mega seeds. Yes. No, no. Basically, go to dimensions. I like to play a game, and I'm like, run. How the hell do you do that? You go into dimensions so you can get more mega seeds lit, and you collect mega seeds, lots of mega seeds. Yep. It's a great game for rules-wise. Playfield Riot is a fucking hunk of shit and it's not even mechanically fun. It is not a fun mechanical game. It's super, like, two of the, like, both Alice Cooper and Rick and Morty. I like the rules on both games. They're both bowing games. So why did he leave? Like, why? Why did that? I don't understand that at all. I don't get it. I actually prefer Alice Cooper a little bit more than Rick and Morty. Oh, yeah. That's the best game. That is the best game by far. But the problem is there's too many shots on the bottom. Yes. One less shot. One less shot, and it's perfect. It's a perfect game. Yep. Along that upper play field, you don't, but that's my favorite upper play field. It's a piece of shit. Wait a minute. The game is great. One less shot, but the upper play field is a piece of shit. Oh, it is a piece of shit. No, it's not. You can't hit the upper left ramp on Zax at all. You can barely hit it on ours at the co-op. It sucks. Zax is the best playing one I've ever played. What do you think, Mike, about Alice Cooper? It's okay. It's one of those games. I like what they did with it. The rules are obviously insane. It's a home use only game. It has to be. There's no way you can play that on League and understand what the hell you're doing. It seems super complex. I like it. I like that they went out there and did something weird. I like the spiral ramp. The spiral, what is it, the little ramp thing that goes into the right side, that thing's awesome, like that they did some weird stuff. But I just, I can't, yeah, two little shots are just a little too tight, in my opinion, too, just a little bit. The one thing that bothered me playing Zax is the Frankenstein multiball. When you start it, in the LCD, Frankenstein, he, like, raises up slowly. But in the game, he just like, whoop, he pops up. And it's like, man, they missed an opportunity there. That could have went up slow, just like the LCD animation. Then Zach told me, yeah, no, that's the way it originally did it. It originally came up slow. But they kept having issues where the balls were getting stuck, like they wouldn't come out. So they changed it to go fast so the balls would actually come out. Like gravity help, yeah. Like, oh, man. Oh, well. That's good designing. But, yeah, Ben Heck and Eric Kripke. The rumored next game is going to be Scooby-Doo. That's what everyone's saying. But they did make an announcement this past week. TNA 2.0. Oh, yeah. 250 of them. Yep. And they just said, you know, they said it's 250 now. Maybe we'll make more some other time. Yeah. I know they still. Still present. Yeah. They stole the initial 100 really quick, and then it's kind of trickled. That's interesting. Do you think it might be the fact that it's, well, as I call it, TNA 9.0, because it's 9K. Now, the original TNA was 6K. So I know there's inflation and all, but basically what they added was pretty much all the stuff they offered as add-ons on the original, which was things like a shaker motor, knocker, plastic protector. Then it has some extra art blades. I don't know how there's hardly any cabinet room to do art blades in there. So I don't know how much space you're going to have there. Lighted, drop targets. I think that was it. There might be another. And the butter cabinet is still extra too. Oh, it's still extra. Yeah. It's still extra. So it's $9,000. Yeah Godzilla premium is $9,000 Ron is the only person that's owned both Oh that's true You own a CNA And then you own a Godzilla What would you buy instead Bob? Uh huh I think I would buy the Godzilla Bob I think any Insane person would wait Nine months for a Godzilla I wonder This one hopefully doesn't have the hot glue in it. So you're paying for the hot glue. No, you're paying $3,000 for the hot glue removal. Yeah, maybe. Jesus fucking Christ. I saw that and I was like, what the fuck? Then Spooky, they had a Q&A, like an online Q&A thing with Bug and Luke there. And every time, do you know what they look like, Bruce? Yes, I do. You know, Bug looks like a 16-year-old with a goatee. Luke looks like an MMA fighter. Yes. Whenever I see them I just think Luke is like Bug bodyguard or something Bug will be buy our games or Luke here will kick the shit out of us Yes yes Yeah I just Did you see the... Scott wrote something like two weeks ago, two months ago saying like, someone emailed him saying like, when's the new 2.0 coming out and do you think it's going to be 10K? And he's like, oh no, no, hell no, it's not going to be 10K. No, it's only nine. Oh, Scott Danesi, the designer. Designer, yeah. Oh, it's only going to be nine. Yeah. Like, I don't think he realized, yeah, that it was going to be like, it's Spooky, obviously, that's marking the price up, but, yeah. Well, the funny thing is, Scott Danesi, the designer of the game, said, I don't call it, it's not TNA 2.0. It's more like 1.1 because it's the same game with just some added stuff. Just all the add-ons. But then Spooky literally calls it 2.0. So they're fully on board with the 2.0 thing. The thing is, I see it as it's a cash infusion. Yeah. It's the way to get some money. Before they start their next game, which everyone says is going to be Scooby-Doo. So. Now, I would, guess what? I am off these freaking side pinball companies now. It is just getting worse and worse out there. Well, you just got a Halloween at the co-op. Yes, we did at the co-op. Wait a minute, the co-op. That's the Rochester Pinball Collective. Where is that? That's at 349 West Commercial Street in beautiful East Rochester, New York. Sweet 2965. We're open, too. Soon to be three days a week. Whoa. There's your news tip. It's going to be Friday. It's going to be open some Fridays now. Oh, my goodness. Yep, starting in September. But you just got a Halloween. Yeah. I guess something religiously put onto it. I heard 10. Yeah. But why? But why? It was just so good you could not play it anymore, or you thought it was so bad you couldn't play it anymore. Why did you only play 10 games? Because both, not one, but both of the lift motor brackets that help move the motors to the balls by the flippers up and down. Okay, okay, hold on. Let me translate for those at home. The elevators on the left and right end lanes that lift the ball up so, like, when you don't even know it's there, so it's just drained right by your flipper, those. Yes. Yes. They both cracked, 3D printed. Ten plays. Not 500, not 5,000. Ten. Now, I'm not a 3D printing expert, but like our Zach, his homebrew has tons of 3D printed parts. He has two 3D printers. When he looked at it, he did not think it was very good 3D printing. He said things like you could see the seams or something. I don't know what that means. You can see the layers. You can see the seams. They're very uneven. So that means it wasn't hearing all the way across. It's just very chasing. Because I know when it comes to, like, it depends, like, how much material you use and how long you run it. You can make a better quality 3D printer part the longer it runs. Yes. The slower you, the slower it. Yeah, I took video of it. Yeah, it's bad. It's, like, cracked all the way across. Yep. And. It still works, but if I was any one of these Ultraman or Halloween, lift your play field up, guys, and wiggle the bottom of the lifts. If it moves, guess what? It's probably cracked. The thing is, I think Zach said they contact Spooky to get a new one, but he also wondered if they could send him the file. Because it's going to crack again. Just so he could print their own replacement. And guess what they did? They sent us the new one, and they ignored that request. Well, yeah, I'd probably do that too, honestly. But, yeah. But they, wait, but in the past they've given 3D specs out for stuff. Oh, they have? Okay. Yes. So why would you stop on one but not on the other? I think the bigger issue is 3D-printed parts in games. Yes, it's not. Just because Stern does that in the lab to test stuff. Yes, that's fine. But even Gomez in an interview said, you know, we would never put a 3D-printed part in a game. We would do a mold and then, you know, make a molded part. Yeah, so, yeah, I think at a certain point when you're selling a certain amount of games at a certain price, should probably stop using the 3D printed parts and do it differently. Take your hand off the 3D printer, son. Yeah, we have this one in our past time, and the tech there, yeah, it's all he talks about is how it's down. Constantly. Constantly down. They're sending, Spooky's now sending them, like, extra parts just in case, you know, at that point. And the quality is just crap on this game. This is the second one I've touched now, and you can't even get the play field up properly. They all get twisted. This one was a butter cabinet, so you can't say it was like the cabinet. One was the original, and one was the butter. Everything is just, the wiring harnesses are so tight that they're not even like any play. Like, if I disconnect something, I'm struggling to put that back connector back on. It is just, ugh, piss poor. No documentation except for, ooh, we'll give you finally a Switch layout because we had a problem with the Switches. So it's just cheesy. I am not on board with Spooky. Guess what? I love Scooby-Doo. My wife, if I tell her right now, if I actually walk Kathy in here right now and say, Kathy, guess who's making a game? They're going to make Scooby-Doo. And she'll go, oh, my God, who's making it? And I'll say, Spooky. And she'll go, God, no. I just think at a certain point when you're charging a certain amount for a game when it gets over a certain level you gotta up your game well the thing is he still thinks he's a homebrew guy he's still like we're the little guys but at a certain point you gotta be held to a higher standard when you're selling the games for the prices you're selling them I mean they are super responsive they always have been they're always helpful but you gotta Do away with the 3D printed stuff. You got to up the game. You got to take it to the next level, brother. You got to be like Deep Root, dude. Oh, no, I'm sorry. No, don't be like Deep Root. No. So that one is the first, yeah, I'm not very happy with their quality. And, like, Switch is hanging up and motors not. Here's how bad it is. When you get a Halloween, you get an extra one of those motors. Yeah, for the left side, right? All those, yep. Yeah, all those went bad. All three of them went bad. What does that tell you? That's like gives me the old warm and fuzzy. You don't get like plastics. You don't get like an extra bulb or two. No, you get a motor because we know it's going to fail right off the bat. Hmm. Yeah, that's pretty scary. Okay. There was some weird thing where it like was shipped and there was a stuck ball like with the knife on the right side for whatever reason. we just had constant suck balls. Constant. For whatever reason, the way that the layout was. So we actually had to go and modify it. We went and changed a little bit, redid something and we used a zip tie or something just to prevent the suck balls that were happening. And the plunger is such a piece of shit. That stupid friggin' night in fandom. Where are you? The only thing that'll be good is hopefully get Mark. Hopefully get Mark doing the voices. Oh, Marc Silk? Yes. Who does that? Mark. I can't see the way up. Sorry. Yeah, hopefully Mark will be doing the voices. That would be awesome. But that would be awesome, see? All right. Let's see. Insider Connected. Oh, we're going to Insider Connected when I just go down the list of the other manufacturers? Oh, this is Stern. Stern's Insider Connected. there. Is that better? That's better. Okay. They introduced milestone badges. Yes. We don't need no stinky badges. Yeah, it took two seconds for someone to put a meme of that up there, but yes. Do you get, yeah, for what? Consecutive games you played and all this other stuff? That's cool. That's what all other games do, like video games do that. But I wanted to, I think it was the last episode, I said how I was going to try to register my other games that don't have readers. because of the home team thing. Yep. And just to review. Reminder. Home team, basically you scan your QR code in, and you can save it within your location. So all your games, you just hold the left flipper button in, and whatever QR codes you have saved pop up, and then you can pick it, and boom. So you don't have to swipe your code every time you play. Great idea. But I'm thinking, like, man, so I have Rush that has a reader. So if I scan everything in there, if I can get the other games on Insider Connected, technically, I shouldn't need a reader, right? Yeah. Well, after doing some more research, i.e. Pinside, they said it should work. So what you've got to do is you've got to – you need the reader when you register Insider Connected. Yes. When you actually set it up the first time. So I did that. Let's say I Deadpool. I hook it to Deadpool. pool, I get Insider Connected configured, then I turn the game off, disconnect the reader, turn it on, hit the left flipper button in, and boom, my stuff's there. It worked. However, if you go into the Insider Connected menu on a game that doesn't have the reader, it tells you Insider Connected doesn't work. It tells you that it requires a network connection, a micro SD card, and a reader. And a note, yeah. But it works anyway, which means to me that this functionality will be removed. It's a bug. Yeah. But while it's there, I'm going to enjoy it. I have all my games right inside are connected, but I only have two that have readers, Godzilla and Rush. The interesting thing is Stern has started, or they've been doing this, they will actively go in and delete any files that have to do with a pinball browser or score bit. Nice. Yeah. They don't want you using that shit. I know that's right. Yeah, they don't want you using that stuff on their games. Well, you can stop them from doing that by just taking off the Wi-Fi after you're done. Well, no, they have, like, the code updates themselves. Yeah, I know what I'm saying, but if you turn it off, you know, you say you download it and you have it on there from an earlier version before this. Well, they're doing things like they're adding encryption and stuff, so you can't just read the scores and things like that. They are trying to actively make sure that the other shit doesn't work with their game. Why would you try to do that? Because you want your thing to work. You want your thing to be the thing. I mean, I really, I totally see where they're coming from there. I totally do too. But, you know, it's harder for us when we have tournaments. Well, if you want to use like the score bit integration and you're doing a tournament or something, and you can't use it on the game, or you have a tournament where they have older versions of the code on the game so they can use the score bit. Yeah. you know. We will suffer either way. Mm-hmm. Suffer. Suffer. How's our Insider Connected working at the local that has the worst internet ever? Yeah, um, it's working. I think we only have, like, two games that have it, but um, it's, you know, it is what it is. I don't, to me, I don't even, like, I'm not a huge new Stern guy anyway, so it's like, okay. Cool. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. But I should go ahead and... Yeah, I'm going to play some Badger. No, I'm going to play any kind of classic Williams. I don't need all that stuff. It doesn't do anything for me. We have it at the coop, and I think every game is now hooked up. We just finally did Guardians. Every game? Like you had Cheetah hooked up to Insider Connected? Yeah, no, no. Every game. Except for Star Wars. Because it keeps having rebooting. Yeah. It's actually, we've now figured out it's more than just Star Wars that's rebooting. Now, Mandalorian is starting to reboot. Yeah, there has been a lot of issues. Rumbling since the last major, like when they updated the operating systems to all these games to do the Insider Connected, they're having issues with stuff rebooting and blocking up. It's happened also on location games I've been at. Yeah. So I'm kind of worried about that for Stop. So we'll have to see what happens. What other manufacturers do we have out there? Well, let's see. Jersey Jack, do they have any news? I don't think so. Nope. Toy Story is still selling, you know, supposedly, but it's slowing down, I think. Jersey Jack will be having an in-person tour during Expo. Yes, they will. Because Stern was supposed to – usually at the Pinball Expo in October, Stern – well, they would have a tour on Thursday. And the last few years it's been, like, virtual. So this year it was supposed to be in person again. Then they canceled that. So they're not going to do the in-person tour on Thursday. There's going to be an in-person Jersey Jack tour on Thursday. And then Stern will have a virtual tour on Friday, I believe. Yeah, that's what I heard. That's what I heard also. I've also heard another rumor, and just shout-outs to, let's see, This Week in Pinball, NAP Arcade, and Pinball News. They've been rocking lately. I rip off all the news stuff from them. But on Pinball News, they had a rumor that a CERN is going to be moving. Their lease is going to be up on their current factory, and they're going to be moving back to where their old factory was, not the same building, but the same park or whatever. Same area, yes. Do you believe that? I don't know yet. I don't know yet. I don't have enough information. Oh, his sources are not. Well, think about it. A lot of money gets put into a new building. And they just moved there like five years ago. Yeah, I know. So do you really want to spend that money unless it's not a good deal and maybe they're getting a better deal from the next tenant, the landlord, that's saying, hey, first year while you're setting up, it's free rent. Then you go, okay, then it kind of offsets itself. And so you don't know. You've got to see all the details. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but I don't know. If it's bigger square footage, it seems like they need more. It seems like maybe more office space. Who knows? Let's see. Any other news? Oh, HomePin news. Well, actually, you'll like this and the fact that you complained that Spooky doesn't have manuals. HomePin's the opposite. The manual for Spinal Tap is already available. You can download it right now. It's out before the game is even released, and it has, like, a play field pic of where all the switches are and stuff. So if you want to actually know what the play field looks like, you can kind of see now. I know. That's kind of smart. But why do we need to know that now? I mean, like, I just don't understand them. Nothing of them makes sense. There's an exploding drummer mech, supposedly, in this game. So that's not fantastic. Yeah. Let's see. And Cactus Canyon, the LEs and the SE Pluses, i.e. the ones with the toppers, are supposed to be shipping out at the end of September or beginning of October. Yep. Yay! Cool. And going back to Discern, do you think, I think probably within the next week or two, they will announce what the next game is. I'm calling on the third week. The third week. They want to steal, because what they're going to do is they'll do their teaser. Usually they do a teaser, and then usually a few days later or a week later will be the full reveal. The teaser will be on the 16th, and the reveal will be on the 19th, I'm thinking. Okay. And then it'll be enough time where people will be getting their games at Expo, before Expo, and they'll have the virtual tour and everything like that. Okay. And I'm still going for Bond. I hope I'm right. Yeah, I gotta stay with Venom at this point. Otherwise, I'd pick a circle. Yeah, yeah. Gotta hope you're not right. It's gonna be so painful. What? What do you think, Mike? What do you think? Venom or Bond? Um, but what are they gonna tie... What is Bond's, like, where's the tie in there? Is there a new Bond coming out? Like, what's the... They're trying to get the... There's a Bond, but I mean, the next Bond is not even started yet. We don't even know who it is yet. But neither is Venom. That's true. Would I like there to be? I feel like it probably is Venom, but I would like for it to be Bond. I think that's sweet. I like Bond games. I like GoldenEye. Oh, I love GoldenEye. GoldenEye rocks. If it's Bond, do you think is it going to be all the Bonds? Just one Bond? No, one Bond, one movie. It'd probably be Daniel Craig. I would imagine, just like the last You don't think maybe the pro will be one different? The pro will be Daniel Craig. Is it Daniel Craig? Yeah, pro is Daniel Craig. The premium is Roger Moore, and the LE is Sean Connery. Sean Connery edition, yes. I have to hit my – got to snap him around a little bit. Wow. I'll take the rapist. See, we got the good one. Okay, Sean. Okay. Good gravy. but yeah no it's not going to be like that alright hate to say it it's not going to be like that for that so you think it's just going to be you think it's going to be generic or Daniel Craig just Daniel Craig okay it's going to be one movie cheaper okay well you think it's going to be a specific movie see I oh yeah I think it'd be cooler if it was like Doctor Who you could pick your Bond this Bond's better at vodka and martinis this Bond you know This Bond kills more people. This Bond can combo better. Yeah, there you go. He can combo. This Bond takes up four girls in a movie. Exactly. Okay. And now the last couple more manufacturers. What's Deep Root with his new company? I don't even want to mention that. I don't fucking care. Yeah, I know. I don't care. Let it fucking die. It's dead. Move on. I'm not even going to mention the dude's name. No, it's stupid. Next. Queen. Queen, yes. Yes, Highway. I'm sorry, Pinball Brothers. Yeah, Highway. Yes, still making the Aliens. Queen will be coming out. Yeah, these are coming out a little bit on the Aliens, too, the limited editions that they're releasing. They're cranking them out, and they're very helpful, but I still don't like the way they're built. God, they're terrible. In the Italian factory. Hey, what the hell? There you go. I had to do it. I had to do it. Yeah. I think Bill at the local put in a deposit for one, by the way. Oh, gosh. It's a fun game. I said on this show. It's a fun game and it's working. If Jersey Jack made it, if Sir made that, well, probably Jersey Jack because it's a wide body, I would buy it. I like it that much. Game over, man. Game over. But it's such a turd with this guy manufacturing it. That's so cheesy. Everyone I've seen now, I've seen three, and they are fucking cheesy with the lockdown bars and with the legs. It's still. Zach's alien was a co-buy with Ryan. Yes, it was. I got my alien star from Ryan. And it's been at Zach's forever. Ryan finally took it last weekend. Yes, he did. So, you know, finally he can play the game. He can play. But here's the funny thing. When they lift up the play field, there's like a bag full of parts, and it's literally all the stuff that Zach has been, you know, swapped off because it didn't work or had an issue or all the parts they sent him. It's like insane. It's insane. They must be bleeding money right now. For the amount of parts they're sending out. Jesus. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. And what are they going to do after Queen? Those two games were the ones that Highway did or designed. I mean, they're actually going to have to come up with something new after that if they want to keep making games. You can find out at the, what's it called? The, what's it called? Ah, fuck me. No, thank you. You mean the coin shaker, super awesome pinball show thingy? Yes, the pinball show. I think it's happening, is it my birthday weekend? I think. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. The 23rd, 4th, somewhere. Yeah, that weekend. Yes. They're going to have, what, two of them there? Yes. So you get to play queen. And the two people who own pinball. Oh, yeah, some of the pinball brothers will be there. Brothers. The brothers. Brothers. Brothers. Unless I call Border Patrol. Okay. Wow. They're bringing in aliens. Oh, they are. They literally are bringing in aliens. Very good, Bruce. Very good. Let's see. What else? American. American. I mean, their next game is going to be an original theme, which I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand it, baby. I'm David Fitch, baby. That's right, baby. It's all about original themes, baby. No one wants to license themes. They just don't sell, baby. It's all about original. Originality. That's right, baby. Was it original? Yeah, it's just no. What is this? No. You need to like these themes. Everyone knows this. You know what the lowest-selling Jersey Jack game ever was? The worst one. Yes, I agree. No, it wasn't the worst one. No, it wasn't the worst one. No, it was your best one. But it was an original theme. It's called Dialed In. It's the second worst one. Okay, let's grill him again. Mike, what do you think of Dialed In? I do like Dialed In. I think it's a decent game. All right. Sorry. Sorry, Bruce. No, but what would you? Okay, if you had a choice between Wizard of Oz or Dialed In, what would you play? Oh, God. Oh, man. Oh, the fact that you had to think about that. Dialed In. Yeah. No, you said the wrong answer because you thought about it for a while. You know, we had both on location. We both had both at Excelsior. Yeah. Near us. Yeah. Dialed In all day. 100%. Pirates? Dialed In. I don't like Pirates. I hate Pirates. I do, too. Bruce, our Zach was telling me he thinks Toy Story 4 is better than Twilight. And he is high. He is so wasted. I have not played Toy Story enough to be able to save one or the other. I think it's okay, but, yeah, there's certain things that are weird. I think there was someone on your podcast that was talking about how there was a lag with the digital pinball. That's me. I said that. That was you? Yeah. Yeah. Why? I don't understand. Why couldn't they just fix that? There's still a little bit of lag, and it still plays way too wishy-washy. I tried to fix that as much as I could in the local, but those slings, you said them. Oh, God. They're all the way up. The curls are all the way up. Really? Those are all the way up? Oh, my God. Yeah. You got power issues at the local then. Yeah, there's definitely some power issues. Yeah. It's all in the same circuit. and it's crazy. What? Yeah. I know. I know. So we can't blame, actually, no, we can still blame Toy Story because the stern would never do that. No. No. Well, wait a minute. I guess this is kind of American news. American is sponsoring some of the Dutch guys are bringing over a working magic girl. Of course, everyone is immediately like, oh, that means they're making magic. They're like, no, no. And they shouldn't even do this because then it just gets people thinking they're making a Magic Girl. But, yeah. Yeah, they're bringing these Dutch guys, have these Magic Girls. And it's a crazy thing. The Magic Girls that did come out, that American, like, sat John Papadiuk in a corner and said, build these. Yeah. They're all the same. They're all built differently. It's not even like you can listen, you know, if they told you this was all the stuff we did to our Magic Girl. Like, oh, I'll do the same thing. Like, you might not be able to do the same thing because they're all built different. Yes. Fucking total shitshow. Yes. If anyone gives John Papaduka a job again, they should be just... Or try to make him build another pinball machine like some other podcaster did. Oh, did I say that? Fuck. He should never be allowed near... He shouldn't be allowed at a pinball show. Yeah. It's just... No. Stay away. Go away. So what other manufacturer we got here going? Haggis. Haggis! Haggis, yeah, you guys, how's the fathom going? How's Haggis doing? Yeah! I know you had fuses blowing, so it was in the back. We've been having fuses blowing so much, and now they've gone silent on us. Uh-oh. Oh. Yeah, so kind of a little annoyed. Yeah. And no, guess what we don't have? Fuses? Documentation! Oh, we know Bruce does not like not having documentation. Yep. Oh, I hear you. Trying to fix Rick and Morty. What I did was I actually went to Western Mass and just took pictures of their underside, their Rick and Morty, to figure out why this is the right swing not working. Gotta love it. Yep. Yeah, I think if you're going to build a pinball machine company, get somebody that's going to do documentation or follow the lead of Stern American Pinball. Not Jersey Jack, too. Yeah. Yeah, the game you hate, you know, Dialed In, has one of the most insane manuals. Oh, and the manual's fucking 12 feet thick. It's like a novel. It's like, oh, my God. This thing is a novel. The manual's a work of art on its own. It is. But do they do that anymore? No. Oh, do they? I don't know. No, they don't. Wait a minute. They don't have manuals in their games anymore? They have digital manuals on it, no paper. Yeah, but they're online. I know, but it's nice always having a hand copy. Yeah, you're old, though. I am old. Very old. So yeah, everyone asked about, hey, how's the Haggis 2.0 holding up? I wish I could tell you. It's not the coil. It's not. It's just, it's something on the board. And I can't tell what the board transistor is because there are no schematics. How's Keltz doing? Keltz is doing okay. Oh, there you go. A couple balls get lost in it, you know, get lost like on the play field. like it gets weird places it gets you know airballed and you're like where the fuck did it go oh there it is wow what the hell but it actually is hanging up holding up pretty well but yeah I'm not not very high on the old haggis right now it just seems it's not meant for location I hate to say it yeah but the thing is it's not like I even consider your place a location it's not like the game is grounded in submission there It's not like you have – sorry, folks. They don't do a shit ton – it's not like they have hundreds of people coming into the place just pounding on the machines. I've been there. It's 30, 40, 50 people a night. You know, that's where we – we don't mind that part. And it still can't hold up. Not good. Maybe it's just – I mean, there are lemons. That could happen. Sometimes games are just – they're just – It was one of the first five. They're like Christine, you know, in the movie Christine. They're coming down the assembly line. There's that one bad apple. Yep, the hood falls on them. That's all you're done. Yeah, like your fathom is coming down the line. It's a slightly different color than all the other fathoms for no reason. You know, Bad to the Bone is playing. I think we did this before where we had, like, the possessed pinball machine. The guy's working on it. Marty cut his finger on it. Yeah. Marty cut his finger on it. The play field goes down on someone's hand. Ah! Marty cut his finger on it. His blood got in the machine and just possessed it. It's possessed. Yeah. And it still does have the Marty sticker approved. So maybe it's just too much gin. Maybe. Maybe you need to bring it to you. You can't build it on a Friday night. No, maybe you need to bring gin to it, and then it'll start working. I do have gin in the back. There you go. There, I gave you the fix. The fix. Well, since we're talking about fixes, and I'm jumping all over the place here because we still got a lot to cover. Repairs. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, God. Is it going to be that many? It's going to be that many. I'll do mine then. What was I saying? I did the Godzilla, the cam thing. I'm trying to think if there's anything else I had to do in Godzilla. I don't think so. No, I think I'm good. I've been putting all the mods on it. Yes, it's going to be a heavily modded Godzilla. I usually don't do a lot of mods, but this one was an exception. I've been waiting for this one for a while. A long time. All right. I got the speaker flame thing. I saw that, yes. Yeah. Remember, we had our episode, and I'd have to look back to see who the guest was. But I remember our guest said how they had ordered one, too, and hadn't gotten it, and they emailed them, and then they got it a little afterwards. I did the same thing, and I got the, yeah, you'll get it when you get it. That's what the website says, basically. Like, okay. So I honestly was going to be canceling it soon. Yeah, but they got them and they look good. Because Brian Smith, I'll do a name drop here. Brian Smith is the guy who used to run the Allentown tournaments. He's probably one of the first guys that ever ran tournaments that were automated. He brought his own server. Everything is electronic. P3. Long before anyone did any of that stuff. Yep. I should find his site out. But if you just go to Pinside and look it up, you'll find it. I think he's Mythmaker. Mythmaker. Yeah. But he's selling those now. the speaker light kit, and one of them is literally the flaming. It's almost the same thing. Yeah. But I finally did get it, and it does look good. So my repairs, holy for holies. First, dealing with Halloween and Fathom, just like picking a poke, started with that. I'm dealing with 6803 Heavy Metal Meltdown. I love that game. My fucking game is possessed like a fucking Satan's fucking whore. Holy crap. Wow. One minute, I'll be working on the machine. I got everything working. Then all of a sudden, I'm in there doing something, not even touching anything. Like, you know, getting my voltmeter out, checking something. Oh, wait a sec, the sound just died. What the fuck? Oh, the display just died. Bad connections all over the place. It sat for a while, so it's got a lot of corrosion. I'm going to have to do a lot of connectors. unfortunately in some of the push-in style, the plug-in, you know, the squeezed around power style connections on the Bally. The push-in, the plug-in. Oh, yeah. Oh, my. The snap crack on POC ones, I swear to God. And the bad thing about 6803 is if you don't have a working keyboard. Oh, yeah. You're fucked. They got the pin pad crap. And if I just found this out this week, if the battery dies, on your 6803 battery, it corrupts all the data in the RAM. So if it goes... Sometimes the RAM will say, like, oh, I should have nine... It wants to start off the game with nine balls. And so it won't start a game because it says... And my logic only says it only should be able to go through one through five but I have a nine there I can start a game Crazy Yeah so I waiting for a keypad from the customer who gave us the game I'm going to rebuild the flippers. And then I had to order a ramp for this. A ramp for Heavy Metal Meltdown. Somebody remade it. From Ramp-O-Matic? No, a guy out on the West Coast in Washington State made them. And they're really nice, the top cover and the ramp. And there was already a chunk missing out of his ramp. And the one time I get it to work right, I got it all together. One time I finally got to play a game, like, all right, let's try this out. First shot I hit up the ramp, cracks the ramp more. Like, well, that's going to be a problem. So we ordered a ramp up finally, and now that will be coming today. The games, all displays are now working perfectly. What game? The games. Which one of them? Which one of them? It's the one that's called Gottlieb 1984 Premiere slash My Star, The Games, in quotes. Probably going off the Olympics that year. Yes, it is. So, the displays are all working. We had to replace like six chips on the board. So, they're all working. I said we're going to pop bumpers and then we'll be able to clean up. I still need a back glass, people. Come on, what's with you? No, I had one guy. He literally ghosted me. He's like, yeah, I'm going to be selling. You know, one of the guys, one of our friends of the show said, hey, this guy's doing a total change of artwork and everything on this game. Okay, cool. Email him right away. Hey, yeah, yeah, my back glass isn't that great, but, you know, I'll think of you. So like a week, two weeks later, I see him putting artwork out, ideas. I'm like, hey, so are you wanting to sell? Nothing. Crickets. Great. So now I'm just going to post on his post, I think, eventually. Hey, you ever going to fucking sell this back? I saw that, too, and then I saw that he was also wanting to use that original back glass. He didn't want to re-theme that part of it. But then he did. Then he put artwork out, like a theme he wants to do. Oh, okay. All right. I was going to message you. I was like. No, trust me. So if anyone has a back glass for the games or a file or a translate style or anybody are you selling one, get them in touch with me. You'll be talked about in the show. You'll be put up in highlights. You'll be put up in the beautiful roost. You'll be famous! Unless you don't want to be famous. Unless you don't want to be famous. Then just help me out. We're still looking for bad girls, as we said before. So that's another thing. A lot of repairs at the co-op. I am finally... Hot tip is done. And that runs right now, because it had a successful play run at Saratoga Pinball Show. Oh, segue. Yes. The Saratoga Pinball Show was several weekends ago. Yes, it was. Yeah. I brought my Alien Star. I brought Hot Tip. Yeah. I brought several games. The Deadly Weapon, I think he's just going to bring that every year. Every show, every game. It's so good. I think he just holds it up in the garage and never plays. It is just literally a show game. It is a show game. Yep. It's galley, though. Those things, like, never break. Especially if it's, yeah, street level, do it. The most insane thing about that show is at the end. Anyone who brought games, you get prizes. Oh, my God. And they're, like, good prizes, but there's so few people who either bring games or show up for this awards thing at the end that you end up just getting multiple prizes. I got, like, a Harbor Freight certificate. I got a parts holder thing. Yeah. Zach got, like, everything because he brought so many games. It's, like, ridiculous. He got the $100. In a good way. Yeah. Yeah. He got a Pinball Life $100 gift card. That was very nice that they did that. Yeah. But the Saratoga show was fun. I never went there that one. Hopefully we can get more people to bring games. Yeah. Just because. and spaced them differently because they had two rows of games. One row was basically your classic 90s Williams and newer serves. Yeah. And service the party, like at the end for some reason. And then on the other side was all the EMs, older games. So guess which side was completely packed. Yes. And guess which side was not completely packed. Yep. Yeah. So they could have – it should have been like older game, newer game, older game, newer game. Yeah. And the thing is, there were less games at that show that are in my basement. Yes. And that shouldn't be the case. No, it shouldn't be. And plus, I think the other show does hurt it a little bit, because I'm hoping eventually they would put them together. Yeah, there's two Saratoga shows, because the other one's happening. A couple weeks from now. On a week. Yeah, I might be away that weekend, too. I believe. Yeah. I have actually heard nothing about this show, just putting it out there. Oh, you put a post up a couple days ago. It's on Pinstyne. Is he? Well, it's run by Lonnie, a local guy, and he did it last year. I went to it last year. You don't know how much it's going to cost, though, because it still says TBA for Franklin. It's at Wilton Mall. For those who don't know, that's a dead mall. Dead mall. There's, like, no foot traffic. You have to know this thing's going on to go there. Yeah. It's not like you're going to have many people walking in going, hey, wow, this is neat. If you're going to do it, you've got to do it at a different mall or something. Yeah. Yeah. But he's supposedly having coin taker. Yeah. Yeah, he gets Coin Taker. He gets Coin Taker to show. They were there last year. Yeah. So you'll probably get like an Alien or some new stuff to play. So check it out. I think it's on Pinside. If you just look up Saratoga Show, it's right there. Yeah. Yeah, we went to it last year. It was good. It brought a couple games. I mean, I've seen the game list. It looks like a lot of them are Lonnie's because they're the same ones from last year. Oh, yeah. So I don't know what kind of response he's getting from games. Like I said, I think I'm away that weekend, so I will not be able to attend. So other than that show, did we do anything else over the past month, Ron? We went to the New York City Pinball Championships. Well, I did. I did not. You did not. You sure did. You probably would have won. 3P. So we went there and, how am I going to say some of this stuff and not piss anyone off? Oh, you're going to piss people off because I'm going to say it too. Well, let's just say. They got the games from another place this year. Last time they had this in 2019, they got all their games from Pop. Yes. This year they did not. Yes. And I'm going to bring up another point. They did ask me and Zach. Yeah, they asked Rochester Pinball Collective. They could not come up with an agreement. Nope, we couldn't come to an agreement. They asked other co-ops. We won't say who, but they asked other people. Yes, they did. Eventually, they ended up, the games were primarily Steve Keeler of Rock Fantasy, his games that were taken from Rock Fantasy, the brewery place that they're at, some other place that they're at, and his own personal stuff. They had Brian Dye from Virginia who brought a bunch of games up. And then I think Cointaker, they had the free play area. But they used two of their games in the main. They used like a brand-new Rush and a brand-new Godzilla in the tournament area. And they had, I think Howard was there for Project Pinball. He had some of his games. They used some of his. Yep. And I'm playing in the Classics, and the dolly next to me is having an issue, and Levy comes over. Levy is one of the members of the Neverbeast Productions. Yes. the guys who run this, I think, who are they? It's like Tim Sexton, Levy Naiman, Paul Karras, Austin Smith. Is that it? I think that's it. I was only four? Okay. I think that's it. Okay, so probably the fifth one, and I pissed off by not mentioning it. I'm sorry. But they're having issues with the dolly, and I swear, Levy came over and his comment was, that's a rock fantasy game. That's literally what he said. And then he said it on stream, which I can't believe. It's like, dude, this is a guy that is donating games and literally – You're paying him for it probably. I think it was like Creature. It's like you hit it and it – well, the pop-upers don't really do much on this, but it is a rock fantasy game. And it's like, dude, dude, damn. But, yeah, the games – Yeah, they were nuts. They did their best. They grabbed them all Wednesday, so they literally only had one day. Or Flying Brian. I mean, they did play ACDC, and they definitely did a flipper rebuild on it, because I could tell. Because the last time I played that, which was a month prior, the flippers were like tons of travel. And I had my usual good game on their ACDC. I always kill the Rock Fantasy ACDC for whatever reason. It's like the only ACDC I ever played good. Yeah, so I played in Classics. I did my obligatory stuff in Maine, but not really overly serious, because I have no chance there. I got into the Classics final I was 32nd of 32 people the guy that was in 33rd he played over 100 entries $500 $500 in entries trying to get in and you only made it the first loser I made it past the first round lost in the second round when I actually make it in Usually, that's kind of my performance. And I finished ahead of Raymond Davidson. I just want to say that. So I'm better, obviously. Thank you. And you'd be cashing. And I was cashing, yes. I just cashed the check, whatever dollars it was. Nice. And the winner was, who won that? Oh, this is bad. This just happened. I know. I was busy at the co-ops. So I was just watching gingerly. Who did win? NYPC. Was it David Real? Yes, it was, if I remember correctly. David Real is the man. That guy wins a lot of stuff. Yeah, I'm going to say it's David Real. I'm looking at him right now. Well, he looks it up. Then the main tournament. He won classics. Ah, yes. Okay, I got that right. The main tournament, I had picked Jason Zoller to win it all. because he's won, like, everything. But he did not. I don't think he did not make it to the finals. Nope. And it was won by, I think, Bill Mason. Yes. I think it's from North Carolina or something. Second was our DiStefano. Yep. Nick DiStefano. And Anna Walk won the women's. Yes. I think I got all the winners there. There was like a kids thing. I don't know who won that. Yeah. I mean, I didn't get to do any announcing this time because usually if I announce anything, it'll be classics, and I was actually in the classics finals this time, so I did not get to wear the blazer. I was disappointed. I really wanted to wear the blazer, but I'm trying to think of anything else. New venue. I definitely like the venue better. It's in Brooklyn. A lot of fun, though. It looked like a lot of fun there. It was easy to get to. But they had shades. You could easily put the shades down. Brooklyn was a lot less crowded than Manhattan. At least the section they were in. I like it. They just, I think, if they could up the games themselves. Like I talked to Timmy. It's like if you guys drove a truck to my house or something, or if you had like a truck that went around the local area, or maybe the New York area picking up games, I'd give you some. I'm not driving them in. No way. Not into that city. Not into that city. No way. It costs a lot. It really does. And flying Brian there, man, he had a lot of work. Oh, he was dead. He saw the picture of me. He's on the chair, like, sleeping. Brian is the guy that works on Keeler's Games, if you're wondering who we're talking about. Yeah, there's the picture of him sleeping. He had to set everything up. there were frequent issues they had to address. He was extremely busy. Yep, that's a thankless job for sure. There is a thankless job. But, I mean, I enjoyed it. I always enjoy going there. I enjoy the atmosphere. Maybe next year we can figure something out between our PC and that. You know, I'm up for it. Just, you know, we need a little more time to figure it all out and get the negotiations down. atmospheres where you hear frequent F-bombs, but there it's like just completely except as dormant. You're not going to see anyone getting a red card or a yellow card. Okay, so that was NYC. I think I hit everything there. They did like seminars. Yeah, a couple seminars. It's nice to talk to Timmy. I don't get to see him anymore. No, I know. That is nice. Come on! Come on! I think next time I'll see them would be either Expo, which I'm not going to this year, or back downtown next year. What else was there? Oh, we had a tournament up at the Rochester Pinball Collective. Yes, you did. Just this past weekend. We had two. We had pre-death ball. Pre-death ball, which was a flip frenzy at RPC. Yep. And then we had the actual death ball tournament at Zach's Place. The next day. We get to play some of the craziest games you're going to get to play. Oh, yeah. Games like Toreador. Toreador. Hardgrooze, like poker. Yes. Yep. It was a good time. It was good. The stream worked good. We actually had 30 people watching by the end. Only issue is our mics were too hot. We had them up too high. I listened to the VOD afterwards. We were both too loud. I'm way over the top. I'm peaking, man. I'm peaking, man. Who won them? Oh, that's right. Raymond Davidson. Raymond Davidson. He beat Zach in the finals. Anyone but Zach finally happens. Thank you, Raymond, for beating that guy. Yes. The funny thing is, I'm staying with Zach, right? So after he loses, he just leaves. Yes. And, like, where did Zach go? I'm like, same thing. I'm like, hello, he's supposed to be working with us. But he had to rush home to get ready for tomorrow. We knew that. So I had, yeah, Seth drove me back. But, yeah, that was funny. Then we had Deathball. Deathball. And guess who won that? Zach? No, he didn't play in it. He didn't play. Oh, he didn't play. Okay. We had an even number. Bruce won. Yeah, the retired guy. The retired guy won again. He beat Raymond Davidson in the final. What? Yes, he did. I said the same thing, yeah. I know. I don't brag anything. Trust me, I was not looking forward to this. I was fourth. Eric Russell was third. It was the ladder final. Actually, both these tournaments were ladder finals. And I started at the bottom. I was actually fourth. I was fourth, wasn't I? How many we had? Six? So it was six, five, four. I was the fourth qualifier. So basically, when Raymond joined the ladder, he was the top seed. He picked Alice Cooper. That eliminated Eric. So it was just you two. Yeah. Then, by the exact rules, he couldn't pick another long-playing game. So he was going to pick Whirlwind, but for some reason he changed his mind and picked Alien Star. I don't know why. But he was playing Alien Star great the whole day, too. Yeah, but I would have still... There were drop target issues on Whirlwind, so they were disabled, but I still would have picked Whirlwind over playing fucking Alien Star. I would have played Whirlwind, but the thing is, I just do my normal thing like I normally do. Ramp. I actually did the, what's his name, too, Mark. I just went for the ramp the whole time. You just ramp it out? Ramp it out. All right. I played whirlwind against Raymond, and I got multiball. I got a jackpot. I was so happy with myself. I got slaughtered. Yeah. Like $7 million to like $20 million. And I didn't think I played bad. Just a higher level there, higher level. Yeah, so that was That was fun What else we had? You see one on Alien Star Alien Star, yep I came back on the last ball I just buckled down And just had to And then finally Raymond comes through and goes, you got it And I wasn't even watching, I was like, holy I got multiball started, I had 3x multiplier I just kept it alive longer And the winner gets a Big ball Big heel ball which Bruce, of course, he held it down by his balls for the picture because he's Bruce. Do you realize 20 pounds, Bruce, that would be heavier than a bowling ball. It feels fucking heavy. It is heavy, but it ain't 20 pounds. Out of the way. Well, Raymond got the second place one, which was as big as the winners last year. Yeah, and then he had to print on the plane. Yeah, print on the plane. He had to show up. Yeah. Is anything written on this, or is it just like a ball? It's on a plate. Okay. Which is still heavy. It fell off the plate in his case. Yikes, I know. So we have Stomp coming up. We have Stomp coming up. And then after that, Sunday after Stomp is the Rock Fantasy Summer Open. I'll go if you go. I'm going. I took Monday off, so it doesn't matter if I get back late. Maybe I can get my dad to go. He's always wanted to go to Rock Fantasy. Yep, I think I'm going. I know we say stuff about the game sometimes, but it is a cool place. Oh, it's a great place. People are very nice. I love seeing everyone. The games within the Rock Fantasy atmosphere, it's fine. When you take them out of that atmosphere, in like the tournament atmosphere, where they want every single little thing to work perfectly, you're going to have issues. Does that make sense? Yep. Is that a nice way of saying it? It's like there's little quirks about the games that you don't mind when you're playing it there. But if you're playing in a high-end tournament, it's like, well, why isn't this working? I have the advantage. I should have played more in the main tournament because I know all the quirks of all the games because I play them so often. So I know what to expect on most of them. I really probably should have played more in the main tournament. But I do not. I digress. And I still can't hit the lock shot on his Attack from Mars. He's got a remake. I cannot hit that damn lock shot on that game. I just blame that it's a Chicago gaming game. Not my lack of accuracy. But, yes, Stomp is coming up. Yes, we have 40 people. 40 people. Crank that air conditioning up. I'm going to do a walkthrough video at some point and post it to our Slam Hill page so you can see the games. The games are going to be a little different this year. How are we doing it? We're doing it different this year. It's still match play. It's still match play. But this is a format that's been used at RPC with great success. And this was the exact thing, which then Bruce agreed with him. So I knew like, oh, okay, so we're doing it this way because Bruce agrees. Yep. And this is basically one of the issues you run into when you have one of these match play. You do four-person groups on a variety of games, and it's randomly picked by match play. The problem is you have a group ends up on Godzilla, and another group ends up on S.T.A.R.S., and they're done in like three minutes, and they have to sit around and wait forever for the next group. One of the things about tournament, you don't want to be sitting on your ass. You don't want to be waiting. You don't like waiting. You don't like going too long, et cetera. So what we're doing is each round will actually have two games, and one will be an older game. One will be a newer game. So in the end, it should even out. This will mean less rounds. But. But more fun. And I think we did, Zach did some time calculations, so we figured between five and six rounds. Yes. What I figure we could do is if you had a set time in your head when you wanted to start finals, then do a thing like it's five rounds. If we're done early enough, we'll do a six one and just announce it at the beginning, and then it should be good. And each game will have points for each, you know, win or loss. Yes. And the finals will be the usual Papa style, 4-2-1-0 crap. You pick three games. Three games from three different lists of games. Yes. Which we still have to come up with. You can't do the whole tournament. You can't do the whole classic. And you can't repeat either your picks. Because I have enough games where that should not be an issue. I like it. Yeah, definitely harder and fun. And that's what we're doing. We'll be streaming. I'll be testing the rig out probably all week. I will actually be streaming this week. I might even try a stream where I just play every game, which will probably take two streams to do. I just want to see if I got good reception at each location. And the only game that will not be, there will be two games that won't be on the stream, Hot Tip. Hot Tip. And Spanish Eyes. Spanish Eyes and Serpent Safari. And Serpent Safari. Serpent Safari will be on, yeah. Yeah. We've got to talk about how you want that set up, too, by the way. I think Zach said we should take out the outlanes. Oh, yeah, you have to. Yeah, you just found that around too much. Zach will be here. He can figure it out. Yeah, he's going to figure it out. Remember, I'm just hosting. I'm not a tournament official, so they can do whatever they want. We had a couple questions today. I asked a couple people on the old intronet. Yes, so the completely overflowing ball bag was not enough for Bruce. He has to go on Facebook and answer more questions. Fuck yeah. So what questions have you got, Bruce? We've answered most of them, but we're going to have to do one. Oh, we have? Andreas has added a new format on Match Play called the Amazing Race. Oh. Everyone plays the same game and the lowest score is out. Rinse and repeat. We did that as a side event during League and people loved it. Andreas did it, so now you can have multiple rounds and queues going at once and the big screen view tells you who is on the hot seat. That would be pretty cool to check out. I like that. And then the next question was, am I still having the 24-hour stream? We are, but it's not going to be this fall. I am planning on late March, right after the spring solstice, and it's going to be a 24-hour tournament. Make sure it's not the same weekend as Texas. Texas is the 17th, if I remember correctly. Let's see, Texas. Yeah. And we will stream it, kind of. The batteries will not last 24 hours. No, 24th to the 26th, so maybe I will be changing that. So it will probably be April, like the 1st or 2nd. There you go. Which would be better because, you know, you'll have warmer temperatures and less chance of. Well, what we can do, we could probably stream the last 15, 16 hours. The batteries will last that long. Yes, they will. We have proven that. Yes. the batteries are insane. But we might do like maybe eight hours in the beginning and then eight hours at the end. Because then in the middle, who's going to be up? Oh, yeah, maybe, yeah, do an initial eight hours. Yeah. And then if everyone dies, you can see the last eight hours and everyone's dying. Yes, exactly. That's a pretty good idea. I think that's a great idea. So that's the plan probably at the beginning of April. And it will be a set number of players and we'll have a set number of what people are going to win, like the top five people, and we'll figure it out and go from there and make it worth some money. Money! And it would be open to all three. You know, we'd actually open up Friday night before and then Saturday to Sunday. Yeah! Oh, yeah. I like it. Yes. I'll be there. Woo-hoo! 64 people, I think, will be max. Hopefully we get 64. It would be really good. Another thing I want to bring up. In October, Jeff Teolis' Pinball Profile World, not world, but going to the United States tour, is stopping at the RPC, October 15th. Tickets can be bought through Jeff Teolis on Pinball Profile's site. He also is, I did the one in Buffalo in August, and it was a ton of fun and a ton of free giveaways. He gave away playfields. He gave away a free entry into Texas Pinball Festival Show. He gave a free entry into Expo. So there's a ton of stuff you get away. And for the price that you're paying for the three and a half, four hours of $29, it's well worth it. And you get a T-shirt. So if you want to sign up, you can contact us at RPC. You can contact me through the Slamtail Podcast Show. I can put you in the right direction with the link. or you can contact Jeff Teolas from Pinball Profile. But it's a really good time. Tickets are on sale now. It was a ball. I had a good time in Buffalo, and I think I'll even be a better time because we'll have the whole place just to ourselves at the RPC. So come one, come all for that, October 15th. And we have another tournament coming up on the 24th, which is our – I think we have another flip frenzy going on the 24th after our summer league in the afternoon. So after that, we'll be having our – Yeah, probably be there. And it's my birthday weekend, so. We've got to celebrate with chocolate cake. Flip Frenzy birthday. No, I can't eat chocolate cake. Yes, you can. One slice you can do. No. Chocolate cookie? Everyone keeps like – if I hear one more person, Ron, have you lost weight? I'm going to punch someone. So that means you need more chocolate in your life. No, I can't eat chocolate. We've got to fatten you up with protein. Oh, my. You know how great my voice sounds now? It's because my throat's better because I can't eat any of that shit anymore. Yeah, you're just eating cardboard now. You know, brother, but now I can do this all day long, dude. Yeah. Okay, so let's get to the ball bag. It is overflowing ball bag. Oh, there you go. It is. Let's get into it. That's the biggest ball bag I've had in a while. Uh-huh. Chock full of goodness. Okay. We got, let's see, Mike Magoo says he formally requests to be on the show. White Crick Silver Socks. How to Pronounce Champs Ulysses. Lifetime band. Yep. Okay. We'll just check those out. Yep. Yep. Oh, you can imagine, when you say you're a teacher, you're a music teacher, right? Yeah. Band director. Yeah. See, Bruce, if we need some music, if we need some brass and stuff. Yeah. We've got a parade going. Yeah, we need a slam-tail parade. I like that. Yeah, yeah, that'd be cool. Let's see. Soren. I never laugh so much. Okay, he must have liked my Stewie doing his tech tips there on the ballet boot-up sequence. Yes. He published it on Pinside 2. Let's see. I'd love to be on the show again. Yes, we'd love to have you. We'd love to have you. We've got to get Scott. We'll get Scott and Soren on, the all-tech episode. Yes, and Zach. All three. Oh, God. That would be a perfect three. Yeah. Deep tech talk if desired. Oh, and he says Toy Story 4 is awesome. Okay. Oh, maybe they got 220 volts over there. That's it. I bet you the swings are, like, ridiculously powerful over there. Let's see. This is from Mike Wynn. Hi, Mike. I said his full name because he said his full name last episode. At the end of the latest episode of Slam Tilt, Mike – let me try that again. Well, I can't edit, so whatever. At the end of the latest episode of Slam Tilt, when Bruce signed off, to my surprise, it sounded awful like he said goodbye, Mike Wynn. He did. Yes. He actually said that. If you need more guest hosts, I'm happy to volunteer. I'm a hobbyist. I do in-home repair for people. We love repairs. I even have the honor of hosting a Women of Pinball Roundtable podcast with your very own pinball princess, Steph Guida, among several other stupendous ladies. So, yes, Mike, you are on the list. We can contact you. Oh, yeah, poor – Steph did some announcing. She got to wear the blazer at NYCBC. That's cool. And they butchered her name. they call her stephanie guida we hear rita yes it's gaida it's gaida let's see sean hi sean says an opinion and a thanks i don't know how much you had to edit the last episode but it was perfectly fine as it was and i guess oh yeah i'm looking at you bruce but it's perfectly fine as it was and i didn't notice any loss of quality no more editing and Thanks for the tip on adding Insider Connected Home Team to a pin without a scanner. Use my Godzilla to set up Jurassic Park with items I already had on hand, and it worked flawlessly. I wonder if Stern will try to close this option. Yes, they have to. As a bonus note, unless people being on Insider Connected is more important than them selling kits. No, they want to sell kits. The thing is going to be this. With now the bugs that are in probably the OS for the newest OS, they're going to release another OS. They're going to release an OS, yeah. That's what's going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. Close. As a bonus note, I am heading to Paris for a vacation and opened a pin side map to see if there are any pins in the city. It was shocked to see all the dots. Worth checking out as it shows that Stern still has quite a European market. Still loving the podcast. Keep it up. Oui, oui. Oui, oui. Oh, oh. Oh, oh. Let's see. Challenge time. Email from Dan. Let's see. Hi, you fellas. Oh, it says subject to serious question. Uh-oh. So you two want a Beavis and Butthead pen, right? Yeah. Treat me like a Gomez or a Jersey Jack. Tell me on what Max and Innovations you would like to see in the dream pen of yours. The couch. The couch has to be like, almost like Simpsons. Yeah, you could just reuse the Max. Stern likes to do that. I'm perfectly fine with that. In the backbox, I have the idea. Backbox is like title fight And you're actually using And beating up each other Okay Oh that's awesome Yep Yeah Because whoever wins You get to be that character For the next The next mode And you can do it a different way It says innovations I'm trying to think What kind of innovations Nachos mode Nachos mode Natural nachos On the field Cheese Wording out Out of your leg It had to be a Cornholio Mode Yeah I have Cornholio Oh, maybe. I got it. You have, like, animatronic Beavis who can put his shirt over his head, and he becomes Carl Julio. Yeah, I like that. It's like the Metallica game. So we already made this the Jersey Jack game, because that's the only one that's going to be able to afford all these Macs. Yeah. He says, personally, I am sold sight unseen. Love that fucking show. I can't believe it hasn't become a reality from a major manufacturer or a homebrew, at least. I thought there was a homebrew one. at least an art re Or no maybe I think it was a visual pinball game The thing is they on Paramount That hurts them To me It would have been better if they had been a Comedy Central like they were supposed to be original. I know. Keep rolling out shows, buttholes. Love your band overall. I don't give a fuck attitudes. Fuck yeah. I'll tell you what, boy. Back in my day, pinball was less complicated. Thanks, Dan. But he needs to make sure he has his hearing aid in. Yes. You know, without my hearing aid, I can't hear a goddamn thing. I just like when he's, I got a package coming from the Amazon. It's Amazon. It's the Amazon. That's how an old person would say it, too. My mother-in-law calls it the COVID. All right. Greg. Hi, Greg. He says, fellas, just listen to your July podcast. In squash, even the smaller tournaments on the pro circuit, players mark and referee other players' games. Does that count? So, okay, there you go. So squash is like pinball. All the people playing in it also officiate it. Okay. Okay. Again, not a sport. Not a sport. Brian says Have you guys done an episode on the Turtles machine? If so Can you tell me what episode it is Because I could not find one, thanks Because we've never done one, you know why? The game sucks Oh, I don't think it's It does, it does, it's bad It's not terrible What else is it? You know it's bad It's bad, I'm on it It's bad, it's bad It's bad, it's bad Yeah, it's really bad. Woo! Woo! Who's bad? Yeah, it's bad. If we mention turtles, TMNT, you can search for that at swamptiltpodcast.com. See if I put it on the show notes anywhere. But there, we just talked about it, I guess. It's bad. Well, it feels like Candy Crush. the sounds, everything, the audio package I just, I don't know the video isn't that good yeah oh it's terrible if you notice, they haven't gone back to that one is it because of Dwight or not? not only have they not gone back to it, they gave the last call for it I know Turtles looks good that's what we wrote oh there we go we also talked about the previous Yeah, so many turtles. Yeah, so it's all between 144, 146, and 148. Mm-hmm. There you go. That's it. So, got an email from Zach from the Pinball Tapes. As can be heard on the Pinball Network, dead silent. Well, even Mike is dead silent. Yeah. But Pinball Tapes is an upcoming episode that we are going to be on. Oh, yes, we are. I don't know how much we can say about it or if he keeps it. He's mentioned it before, so I guess we can say. It's one of our favorite games. It's one of our favorite. It's the official game of the, well, I just gave it away. The official game of the Slamtail Podcast. Yes. But, yes, check it out. It's going to be coming soon on the Pinball Network. That's the pinball tapes. Well, other shows are on Pinball Network. Well, hold on. Zach gave us, like, the greatest intro ever. Something about the master of the spinners or something. Oh, my God. I need to clip that and just use that wherever we go. We're just announced as that. Oh yes, also on the Pinball Network is the Silver Ball Chronicles Where would I get that? The other podcast I'm on That's me and David Dennis the Canadian legend himself The newest episode was just released where we talked about Gottlieb System 80 Oh yeah Oh yeah Where even I learned things So bad it's good I learned things like It's bad The wide body format they use they actually gave a name to They call it Dimension 80. That was the, all the games that were Y-Bodies, they're the new Dimension 80. All the games are this size now. It's like, wow, I didn't know they actually had a name for that. Here we got one from Ryan G. Not G. G. G. What's up, guys? Ryan G. here. Last time I emailed was last July when I was making my way through the Slam Tilt Archives. he might have been the one that said, I'm listening to all of them. And I was like, no, don't do that. I'm so sorry. At the time, I just finished episode 50 with an appearance from Ryan C. Well, I finished all 191 episodes, and what a journey it's been. So much good info and tips in that backlog. I am glad I said that right. Backlog. Yeah, I said that right. I'm glad I started from the beginning. It's great to see that the RPC has become a hit for Bruce since the closing of the Silver Ball Saloon. And, Ron, your streaming game has become top-notch. Still loving the tech and tournament talk. Keep it up. Hoping one day to make it to a stop tournament. I had a tournament for the first time at my house this past April. The Primal Pin Shop is my arcade's name. I like that. The Primal Pin Shop. We had 13 pins and 20 players. It was a great turnout. Hopefully having another this fall. One last thing. Bruce, it's great to hear that you are embracing the Gottlieb games more. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Not again. I'm not embracing these. I, too, was a little surprised, like Ron, with your change of heart, bad girls. You had so much hate for the Gottlieb when I started listening, bad girls. Anyway, thanks for a great podcast. Totem. All these other turds are out there still. Don't forget them. P.S. Whatever happened to the original intro music? I really dug that tune. Which one? The original episode used Journey Harry. Yes. And then we used, he's probably referring to the Dungeons and Dragons. Yes. And that music was badass. Oh, yeah. If it wasn't for Steel Panther kind of fitting in with the fabric of this podcast, I probably would still be using that. Yes. But, yeah. I'm going to go see Steel Panther with Mr. Teolis. I offered it to Ron, and Ron didn't want to come up. In old Canada. Our home in native land Oh, Canada We stand on guard for thee Okay, let's drop the puck. Yes. I like my machine. I actually have it set up for Canada, Canadian music, Even though it's in my bubble hockey, it's set up for – Oh, God. Oh, Canada? Okay. Yeah. You can do actually Russia, too. The Russia, too. Remember the old bubble hockey with the terrible voice? Oh, I don't remember that. Oh, Bob. Oh, Bob. Oh, Bob. Now it's been updated. It sounds way better now. But I kind of miss the shitty sounding one. I hear you. Oh, okay. Justin. Hey, Justin. Justin, our former guest. Yes. Oh, he says it right on here. Hi, Bruce and Ron, and a special hello to my dick-flipper partner, Glenn. Oh, my. Oh, my. Glenn is quite the legend here. It's your pal from Episode 190, Justin Fitzgerald. I thought it would be fun to play a game of FMK. Not fuck, marry, kill, but flip, move off the roof, ta-tucky style, or kick. Okay. Okay, out of the following games, which would you flip? Which one would you throw off the roof? Which one would you keep? Okay, let's see. First one, stars, cheetah, and meteor. Meteor gets thrown off the roof. Totally. Flip, stars. I'd have to keep cheetah because I like the rarity of it. You don't see many cheetahs out there. So that's mine. Let's see. I'll flip Cheetah because we get more money. Stars, I'll throw it off the roof right after I have a terrible game and it pisses me off in a fit of rage. You're going to keep? And I'll keep Meteor. Wow. I think Zach would totally disagree with you on that one. Yeah, I think I'm with Bruce here. I think Meteor's got to go, unfortunately. Out of three. Yep. But, yeah, flip Cheetah all day. Yep. No, I said flip Stars. I don't care what you said. It's about Mike. Stop making this about yourself. Wow. No, I think you've got to flip Cheetah because it's insanely priced right now. It is. And Stars, just keep because people still love that game. It's still Stars. I have a Stars, by the way, now. Really? It's totally a project, but, yeah, it's worth it. Smart man, smart man. Yep. And Meteor's got to go. Okay. The music is so bad. What? You mean possibly the greatest background sound ever in the history of pinball? Wait a minute. You mean... You're a bad teacher. You should appreciate the music better. What? That's why I do. Oh, man. It's terrible. Musicians say Meteor sucks. Story at 11. Story at 11. It's like, what's another one? Oh, man, it's so bad. Blackout. I love Blackout. It's a great game, but that music. Oh, I love that music. Especially when he hits a spinner and it goes up. All right. Quicksilver, Stargazer, Dragonfist. Holy shit. Okay, am I first? I'm not going to be first this time. Somebody else can be first this time. All right. Quicksilver. Quicksilver, Stargazer, he said. Stargazer and Dragonfist. I'll keep Stargazer. It's my favorite one. we should do a we should do like a classic stern like I don't know some sort of trade off like kind of like like a football draft we should do a football draft of just classic sterns I don't know that's a good idea see how it goes but yeah Quicksilver Quicksilver's gonna go it's gone wow wow he's throwing that off the roof and you flip flip actually probably you want to flip Quicksilver out of all the three so Quicksilver Keep, Stargazer, and then what's the... Oh, Dragonfish. Yeah, this is tough. See, I told you. Oh, God. Yeah, all right. I guess... I don't know what to do. I would say you probably have that to go off the roof. It's unfortunate, but that's what's going. Now, I own all three, and Ronald owns all three, so this is hard. Let's see. Quicksilver, Flip, because it's the most money. Dragon Fist is falling apart anyway, so just throw it off the roof now, and Stargazer keep. Okay, I'm going totally opposite of you two. I am going to keep Quicksilver because I had to do so much for it. I'm going to flip Stargazer, and I'm going to throw Dragon Fist off the roof. You realize I also threw Dragon Fist off the roof, so it wasn't completely different. You literally only swapped one. I know, but some people are surprised. Like, oh, you didn't keep Stargazer? Yeah. Stargazer is good things, but I think Silver's... The next one is so easy. Dialed in, Guns N' Roses, Wizard of Oz. I'll start. Keep dialed in. Flip, Guns N' Roses, Wizard of Oz. Throw it off the roof. Yep. That's it. Okay. Wizard of Oz, I flip. I'm sorry. Guns and Roses. No, I'm sorry. Wizard of Oz, I keep. Guns and Roses, I flip. And dialed in off the roof. You're going to keep Wizard of Oz. Yes. Jesus Christ. Yep, because my wife likes the theme. Houdini, Hot Wheels, Oktoberfest. Houdini off the roof. Hot Wheels, I think I flip, and I keep Oktoberfest. I like Oktoberfest. Well, out of the three, the only one you would probably flip would be Houdini. I don't know. Maybe Hot Wheels. Maybe Hot Wheels. But I'd say Oktoberfest off the roof. What's the point of that? Like, there's an upper right flipper that does nothing. You can't hit that rim. It depends on how it's set up. If somebody's set up right, it's okay. Houdini, flip, Hot Wheels, keep, Oktoberfest off the roof. Yeah. That was an easy one. There you go. That's easy. All right. Now we've got the spooky ones. Rick and Morty, TNA, Alice Cooper. Flipping Rick and Morty, TNA off the roof, keeping Alice Cooper. Hmm. I'll keep Alice Cooper. Okay, same as me. I will flip Rick and Morty, and I'll have to throw the TNA off the roof. I have to. I like TNA, but in this situation, they're making new TNA, so it's not like I'm going to be able to flip it for that much. No. At this particular moment. Yeah. Totally with you. Yeah, that's exactly how you do it. Last one. Oh, okay. This might be harder for you, Bruce. Batman 66, Deadpool, Godzilla. Keep Godzilla, flip Batman, and goodbye. Deadpool. Goodbye, Deadpool. Sorry. Oh, wow. This is hard. I haven't had Godzilla that long. So I'll say, just because I haven't had Godzilla long enough yet, I'll say keep Deadpool, flip Godzilla, throw Batman 66 off the roof. For me, it's going to be... You're just clothing right now. Yeah, I am. Deadpool off the roof. Godzilla, I'm going to keep. and I'm going to flip Batman 60 years. Yes, that's what I said. Exactly. That's how you do it. That's how you do it. All right. Thank you, Justin. Thank you. And we know Ron did get his Godzilla. Oh, yeah. By the way, did you get your Godzilla yet? Yes. Yay. I did. Have a great show, boys. We did. We did. And we still are. We still are. Wow, that was a lot of ball bagging. Yes, the ball bag is empty. Yes. Let me – archived email. There we go. All right. Let's see. What do I got left here? Mailbag. Close. Look, I did that one. I have a nice, salacious note here. Ed – I don't know how to say his last name, but Ed from Great Plains Electronics. Yes. I made a note that I wanted to mention this. He is retiring. He's selling Great Plains Electronics. His wife passed away, I think, in June, and he was on hiatus. I did not know about this. Yeah, I did not know about this until today, so I'm sorry to hear about that. So he was on hiatus. He came back, I think, a few weeks ago, basically saying he's going to sell the business, and he's opening the store back up to sell off what he's got left. When I first got into this, and he's been around since 2000. When I first got into this hobby, a lot of the stuff he sells is electronic stuff that you can get, I mean, Mouser, Digi-Key, et cetera. But for someone like me just getting into that, he had everything all in one spot. All pinball-specific electronic parts. And probably the best rectifier boards ever, which were hardly ever in stock. So when they were, I made sure I got one or two of them. And it would have been a lot harder on me in the hobby without him. He had everything in one spot that a newbie could ever want. and it all good shit. And so I'd say help him on his way out, folks. Go to his store. Grab the stuff. It was getting harder for him as a lot of this stuff was becoming NLA. I know. The longer available, obviously. Stuff like that. A lot of times he'd be one of the few places that would have certain things. Yeah. So I just want to give props out to Ed of Great Plains Electronics. Yeah, totally agree. He made everything for a lot of us a lot easier. Oh, yeah. that site's awesome let's see oh Roger Sharp movie it's finally it's going to be at some film festival I never heard of yep and hopefully like a wide release after that or somewhere I can actually see it we we I'm hoping because we have we have a small little like hippie we call it the hippie theater it's called the little theater and they have all these documentaries and little little you know third party you know easy smooth movies and they should be there. So if I do see it there, Ron, I will tell you come on up. We'll watch it together. Yeah, I think it's called Pinball, The Man Who Saved the Game. Yeah. And I got a decent feeling about this. It just goes, Roger Sharp is like the executive producer or whatever, so he's not going to let them completely butcher the thing and make it stupid, I think. I know Stu McVicker will not be watching this movie because he hates Roger Sharp. He hates him so bad. They've got some issues. One of the days I hope to get them to meet and they can hash out their differences. Maybe we can get Stu back in the IPA where he belongs. I don't think so. He'll just go off again two days later and that's it. We're back to square one again. If you can go to Rock Fantasy, then Roger Sharp and Stu McVicker can hang out. I want like a title fight match. Like, you guys just playing title fight, and cover lands the most punches. There we go. That's it. I have people at the New York City Pinball Championships asking me where Stu was. Oh, really? This guy is, like, famous, man. I mean, maybe I should have brought him with me. You should have. Yes. Maybe we'll see him at Stump. You think he'll come in for an autograph? God, that would be hilarious. If Ron's not playing, but Stu is, You can rock out on that. Okay. It's a press player. See, I also want to throw this out there. Okay. The Loser Kids are doing something at Pinball Expo. It's called Flippin' the Script. Yes. It's a 12-hour charity steam. Steam? No. Stream. It's not a steam. It's a 12-hour charity stream that's going towards Learning Solutions, a Utah-based organization that helps with early intervention autism therapy. So check that out. I know I think Raymond Davidson is going to be involved. He's going to be streaming there in that booth. He's teaming up with the Pinball Network. So check that out. I wanted to bring that up. I had to pick up trophies this week for Stomp. Trophies? Trophies. And if anybody wants to put their name on the wait list, never know. Somebody might miss out. Yeah, someone might not show up. I mean, it's less likely when the Carl Weathers's decent. There's no snowstorms or anything. And one thing, Raymond Davidson is not going to be there, guys. So there you go. Raymond Davidson is not going to be there. But Zach is, but he's never won at level zero, so you don't have to worry about him. Yes. Easy, easy victory. Yes, you can stomp all over him. You can stomp all over him. Stomp, yes. George Takei will be there for all your newbies who haven't been to Stomp before. You are required to sign him. Yes, you are. You must sign, George. I'm hoping my thing is coming in the mail, but I haven't got a shipping thing yet. Your thing coming in the mail, yes. I know what you're talking about, but no one else does. Exactly. That's perfect. That's what we don't want. We want surprises. Yeah, no one knows what you're talking about. But whatever it is, I'm sure it's the cream of the crop. Oh, yeah. Oh, my. Oh, my. Don't forget, after I came out, I wasn't allowed to touch the captain's log. Did we have a name for this stomp? Because the last one was like stomp, what was it, stomp three, the search for Sulu or something? Yes, the search for Sulu. This was stomp four. Pinball's back. Pinball's back. Okay, yeah, pinball's home or something. There you go. Pinball's back. All right. Can I do a plug really quick? Oh, yeah. You can plug away. Okay. So my wife makes personalized pinball machine covers, and she also makes fatigue mats. So I'm going to put her on there. So she has an Etsy store. We were at Pintastic. Yeah, we were at Pintastic. We had a booth. We had a lot of orders, so I just wanted to put it out there, too. She does a great job. and the website is just her Etsy which is Etsy.com slash shop slash Kori Gami Crafts her name is Kori and it's spelled K-O-R-I-G-A-M-I Crafts if you wanted to look that up she does a really good job she's currently working on stuff right now so if you want like a cover for a pinball machine a news turn or something like that or she does anything she's done she listed one for a kiss machine yeah just check it out that's right a kiss machine hopefully I don't see it because I will probably sue you then you'll see it at our new store kissonline.com me and Bruce both have beavis and butthead fatigue mats yes you're welcome yes nice set to go up Yep. So would you or would you not buy that? This time brought to us by our guest. Oh, yeah, I did find one. Here's the number. It's on eBay.com. So hold on. Let's go to eBay. Yep. eBay.com. So go to eBay, and he's going to give us an auction number, which he just put in a little search box. Yep. It's still available right now. It's still available. We're going to see if we would buy this or not. It is 155-12-155-2194. Ooh. But you already did this one. Wait, did you? Yes, it is. It's on my watch list still. That's why. I know I did it. All right. Still available then. It's a Doodle Bog. Actually, no. It's a Dipsy Doodle, the four-player. Oh, okay. Same as that. Yes, it's the less desirable because it only has the 100-point doodles. And it actually has so much wear in the middle it's not even funny. But it's only $495. And they have gone down. No, it's exactly the same price. It has a ton of wear. You want another one then? Okay, let's go for it. Hold on, give me three seconds. Hold on. Ready? a 144-69-55-28980. This is one of the new ones that came up. Gottlieb four-player jungle pinball. Wait, is that actually called just jungle pinball? It is called jungle, yes. Oh, it is. Yes, it is. For $265. It's got a monkey on it Ocean Port, New Jersey Let's see Machine lights up but needs repair and cleaning That means it doesn't work Bees sold as is for parts or repair No playfield glass Okay $265 And there are pictures Doesn't look like a fun game Yeah, but who cares about that That's what the condition looks like Okay. Are those like touch-ups above the focus? Oh my god, it's so bad. Oh yeah. So obviously they had some Flipper Dragon action going on here at some point. It went all the way up the play field. You can see. Like that monkey has two different colors. Monkey! He's a two-toned monkey. Monkey! Yeah, probably not. I mean, it's cheap, but like Bruce said, it doesn't actually look very fun. No, it's not. It looks like you just hit orbits and they're stand-ups. There's no spinner, no vary target. There's a spinner. It's dead center. Oh, it is? It is dead center. It'll hit the pop bumper. Yeah. What the fuck is that? You hit the spinner and it immediately hits the pop bumper. What? Terrible. That's stupid. Yeah. Who designed this? I got one now. Okay. All right. See, we're ready. One, three, four. Two, one, three. 0-8-6-3-1-9. I'm going to class this up a little bit. Ignite death rays. 15 seconds. It's a Flash Gordon. It is. It's only $2,160. 25 watchers. Okay. Original play field in good condition. New plastic. The playfield actually is pretty darn good. New plastics and original included. New Envy Ram Weebly MPU. I love how everyone calls it Weebly MPU. I know. We invented that. We should take full credit for that. We should. It's got a lot of cracking. It's got a lot of glazing and cracking on the playfield, but the playfield is original. Got a little bit of wear, but not as bad as I've seen most other flash coordinates. It's out in the sun. I know. It's fading as we speak. Yeah. Backglass is nice. Yeah. Well, except the one section. You see the one section where it's peeled away? They got it taped. Oh, yeah. Because it's, like, completely missing. See that? Oh, there it is. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The plate field. Yeah, you're right. It's missing a drop target. Did they mention that at all? No, does not mention that at all. Okay. 2,100, no Yeah, I think 1,500 Maybe, but not 21 Yeah A little too much money there Lucky shot Love it causing it Play again, Earthling Try again, Earthling That's right, try again I love the Ignite Death, I could listen to that call out Ignite Death Rays 15 seconds I was like, how do I do that? I want to start that. I want to hear that call. Yeah, I know. Challenge the orb feature. Change the feature. Oh, no, wrong one. That's coming out. That's coming out again. What? At the co-op, we're putting it out. Centaur? No. Oh. Well, when it comes out, the second game will be Centaur. And what's his name? Mark has the... Oh! Oh, you're saying the game after Fathom, which you're still building, is going to be Centaur? Yes, it will be Centaur. How do you know this? Well, you just know this. You just know it. You need that money. But we also have the other game that sounds like that, which will be Spectrum. Oh, God. It's coming back, baby. We're going to get him, and that's a go-off just for you. Are you going to, like, block off the saucer so you can't hit it? It's a harder shot. Maybe we made it. Okay. All right. Is that the one from Allentown? Yes, it was. Okay. Yeah, we got it working a little better. Nice. Yep. And so now we're out. And we are going to have a – the cocktail is almost done at the co-op. What cocktail? Ah. Is it the – Star Shooter. Oh, drop targets. You got it. Drop targets are the way to go. And you'll have the cocktail in, like, the seating area. Seating area, so you actually could sit down, have a sandwich. You could sit down, have a sandwich while you play the game, yeah. Drip all your juices all over. Drip all your juices. He's following me, and then he's like, oh. I think that's it. I think we're good here. Okay, so. So, yeah. So this has been episode. On that note. On that note, this has been episode 192. Thanks, Mike, for joining us. Yes. Thank you, guys. Really appreciate this. Say hi to everyone. We'll say hi to Zach. Hi, Zach. Hi, Fun With Bonus. Hi, everyone on the Clusterbook thread. Hi, Pinball Network. Hi, David Dennis. Silver Ball Chronicles. Check it out. Latest episode. That's two. It is two. That's two. I better get two next time. Oh, my. So thanks, everybody. Stomp's coming up. Remember, if you want to play, go to the waiting list. You heard the format. It's going to be great. Air conditioning will be up to full blast, which will last maybe an hour before it gets hot. And also come see us the day after at Rock Fantasy. Yes. See Bruce at Rock Fantasy. Are you sure you can go there and you're not banned? I'm not banned. Okay. I'll just have to be talking like this the whole time. You're going to be banned. You're going to be still banned. You take two snaps and they're just like, no. Yeah, they just like, it's like Star Wars when the droids come in. Hey, we don't serve your kind here. Asshole. You'll have to leave. Okay, I got nothing to follow that one up. So thanks, everybody. Until next time, I guess it's just goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Gina Colicchia. Thank you. and. Hey, there we go. Hey. Hello. There we are. Can you hear us? Yeah. Sorry. Yay. Yay. Woo-hoo. Why did they automatically do that? I don't understand. Okay. It's Mike Magoo, right? Yeah. I want to say it right. I don't want to... No, that's fine. The spelling makes it seem more complicated when it's much easier. Yeah, technically it's McGeough, but I go Magoo. There you go. It's way easier. Ah, Magoo, you've done it again. Good cast, Mr. Magoo. I'm sure he never gets any of those guys. Never got never. Never ever before. Never like what you're talking about.