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SDTM: 2024 Pinball Sneak Peek: Rumors, Speculation, Dirty Secrets, & Predictions

Straight Down the Middle·video·50m 54s·analyzed·Dec 20, 2023
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TL;DR

Hosts speculate on 2024 pinball rumors: Stern's Jaws/John Wick/Pokémon, JJP's Harry Potter delays, Spooky's horror franchises.

Summary

Zach Sharp and Greg Bone of Straight Down the Middle speculate on 2024 pinball releases, discussing potential Stern titles (Jaws, John Wick, Pokémon, Metallica remake, Dungeons & Dragons, He-Man), Jersey Jack Pinball projects (Harry Potter licensing challenges, Matrix, Top Gun), and Spooky Pinball horror themes (Evil Dead, Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street). The hosts emphasize manufacturing constraints, licensing complications, and competitive secrecy in the industry.

Key Claims

  • Metallica may be getting revisited by Stern Pinball on new hardware (Spike 3) with potential band member involvement

    medium confidence · Hosts discuss Metallica going to 'this new Factory' and band interest in pinball; speculation that it could be remade on Spike 3 rather than just a DMD vault

  • Jaws is the heavily rumored next Cornerstone game from Stern, designed by Keith Elwin, expected to be a huge seller

    high confidence · Multiple references to Jaws as next Keith Elwin title; hosts note 'people watching after their next release may already know it is Jaws'

  • Harry Potter licensing complications may push Jersey Jack's release to 2025 rather than 2024

    medium confidence · Host states 'licensing we've seen can take forever' and licensing would be 'the only thing' delaying Harry Potter; notes it's rumored to be 'Wizarding World of Harry Potter' rather than films

  • Spike 3 is in development at Stern with expanded capabilities beyond Spike 2 limitations

    medium confidence · Hosts reference 'Spooky Pinball from the creators' saying Spike 2 has limitations; speculation that Spike 3 is 'already into this next system working behind the scenes'

  • Pokémon pinball could leverage Spike 3 and Insider Connected for digital collection/transfer features

    low confidence · Host speculates Pokémon on Spike 3 could include 'downloadable content' and use Insider Connected ecosystem

  • Keith Elwin has not released a Cornerstone game since Godzilla, which is unusual for his output pace

    high confidence · Host states 'we haven't seen a Cornerstone from Keith Elwin since Godzilla which is kind of weird honestly that's a long time'

  • Spooky Pinball is actively inquiring about Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street licenses

    medium confidence · Host states 'they're going to go after...they're inquiring about Friday the 13th and Nightmare either one of those'

Notable Quotes

  • “I like rumors but I don't like rumors because it gets me excited about something that might not happen and then it disappoints me”

    Greg Bone@ 1:20 — Sets tone for the episode's premise about speculation-induced anticipation and disappointment in the pinball community

  • “with Spike 3 there are limitations I've heard from this company from Spooky Pinball from the creators there are limitations I think it might have been Dwight Sullivan somebody was telling me it might have been a coder or something they're limited Spike has only gotten them Spike 2 has only gotten them so far”

    Greg Bone@ 6:27 — References unnamed Spooky Pinball source discussing Spike 2 hardware limitations driving Spike 3 development

  • “Metallica really likes pinball...word on the street says that Metallica might be going to this new Factory checking it out”

    Zach Sharp@ 7:24 — Suggests band-manufacturer engagement for potential Metallica remake

  • “people are watching after their next release they may already know it is Jaws but I've heard the next game Cornerstone from Stern Pinball is going to be ginormous like it's going to be a huge seller”

    Zach Sharp@ 9:02 — Indicates Jaws as confirmed next Stern Cornerstone with strong market expectations

  • “Harry Potter being as hard as it was to get it everything that went on to try to get that license as long as it took that has to be a licensing nightmare”

    Greg Bone@ 18:52 — Attributes potential 2024-to-2025 delay to licensing complexity rather than development capability

  • “I've heard Rumblings in the community saying it's not Harry Potter films...it's like the legacy of Hogwarts just just the theming of the World of Harry Potter”

Entities

Stern PinballcompanyJersey Jack PinballcompanySpooky PinballcompanyZach SharppersonGreg BonepersonKeith ElwinpersonRon MinorpersonEric Meunier

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Industry manufacturers increasing competitive secrecy (tight lid on announcements) compared to prior year, making 2024 rumors harder to verify

    medium · Zach Sharp: 'this year people are keeping keeping tight keeping a lid tight lid' and 'it's getting more competitive I think they have to'

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Spooky Pinball actively pursuing horror IP licenses (Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, Evil Dead, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Child's Play) to differentiate from Stern's pop-culture heavy slate

    high · Greg Bone: 'they're going to go after...they're inquiring about Friday the 13th and Nightmare either one of those'

  • ?

    product_concern: Jersey Jack Pinball's recent theme choices criticized as 'rotten eggs' (hosts reference Matrix, Top Gun speculation); potential artist/designer fatigue with Top Gun audio/jet toy mechanics

    low · Zach Sharp: 'Jersey Jack Pinball's been kind of squatting on some some rotten eggs when it comes to themes lately'; lengthy Top Gun audio accessory speculation suggests hosts see untapped potential

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Harry Potter debate highlights design tension: film-specific casting/characters vs. immersive 'Wizarding World' theming; hosts debate whether multi-movie ecosystem better serves franchise than single-game approach

    medium · Extended discussion of Harry Potter novel vs. film adaptation; Zach's multi-game trilogy concept with internet connectivity mentioned as alternative approach

  • ?

    leak_detection: Jaws confirmed as next Stern Cornerstone via community sources; hosts indicate some viewers may already know this announcement

Transcript

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0:03
all right let's kick this [Music] [ __ ] hot damn Greg this is straight down the middle I'm Zach and you're you're Greg hey guys that's a weird intro isn't it about been last year we got in trouble for a little piece that we did about the secrets of the upcoming year the rumors the speculation I like rumors uh the the dirty behind the scenes facts and speculations so uh I figure why not roll in the mud again this year and talk about 2024 what's coming reportedly uh what rumors we're hearing and some of the the dirt and the the sleazy stuff that's uh I don't like rumors really I like rumors but I don't like rumors are your curtains dirty yeah need to wash
1:01
them [Music] I don't like rumors because it gets me excited about something that might not happen and then it disappoints me cuz then I start getting this uh builtup imagination this fantasy of what this once you once you build a guy up you know you're getting laid for your birthday and then your birthday comes and you're all geared up yeah somebody's got a headache yeah or my wife being nice to me sometimes I makes she be nice to me and then she's not like it's my birthday yeah I'm always like I'm so excited for you to come home then she walks through the door God damn it what are you doing like it's going to be night I built up this imagin like a you're like it's Veterans Day she's like but you ain't even a veteran so I still support the I got pts from your ass like now last year during the segment that we did we we did pretty well oh we were pretty good we did pretty well nailing what the rumors and what games could be coming out this year a little bit more tricky though gray we don't know for sure like you know not that we knew last year but we we had some good indications last year this year people are keeping keeping tight keeping a lid tight lid well it's getting more competitive I think they have to I think companies are getting a little more oh more lock down oh knock it down that's right so what do we want to start with what company we want to start with do you have any choices any options here what do we want to go with oh we got to come strong out of the gate with Stern Stern Stern okay love you Stern last year we got a lot of good games yes we got a lot of surprises last year too with REM uh them doing special editions and stuff like that uh do we do we see any more special editions this year I I think there's a possibility strong possibility elvirus blood red kiss Edition that popped up we're were like where's that coming from we had Jurassic Park last year 30th Anniversary what in the world where's that coming from as the market kind of fluctuates and when the market goes down Stern pimble I think is smart and they're going to uh reup with something that people like that maybe they didn't get 1,000 L of in the past very true let's make a maybe a Godzilla Anniversary Edition that's one of the only ones I could see cuz I think it's anniversary this year oh is it I think so oh that would be actually pretty cool different art package that's what I'm saying especially maybe all black and white no I wouldn't want that black white I know but I wouldn't want it all in black and white for some reason I don't know why no I don't know Godzilla's one of the only things that I could see that would be I mean because it was such a big seller yeah that's one of the only ones but I am ready to see other artists have done this uh monochromatic uh art displays and and theming I'm kind of ready to see a zombie Yeti cuz we we know him for his illustrations and his colors yeah I'm kind of interested to see what he can do with some shading and some black and white and some grayscale kind of stuff maybe pops color little Sin City stuff there I don't know that game just doesn't do it for me like like I I loved elv elv looks good and the blood red but I don't know monsters looks good monsters looks good but this just and frch I know but something something about Godzilla is so colorful it's so beautiful there's just something it just doesn't I I don't want that taken away from it I don't want that I don't want that like that I could just see a reenvisioning of it speaking of stuff coming back that we're used to there's some Rumblings around the industry and around the community about uh Metallica oh yeah oh oh again though man I'm going to argue this and I know that it's it's hard it's an entire like I would assume I don't know I I don't know enough about it I still want them everything that they Vault from here on out I still want it to go to an LCD I know that that requires more work on that it's not just a simple Vault I know that you've got additional coding you've obviously got to get different rights now to uh Metallica music videos and all that stuff but man like how amazing would Metallica be to take it into the spike 2 era like any of these games honestly how about taking it into the spike three era what yeah what yeah blew your mind right there yeah uh 2024 we may see the likes of the new operating system from Stern Pinball that is Spike three what is the purpose what is the purpose yes bigger better stronger faster Greg what's the purpose of going from a DMD to a LCD well better that makes no sense maybe a bigger screen maybe quicker uh maybe a quicker processing maybe more an ability to carry more more mechanisms uh stepper Motors more more coil integration more light there you you can only get so far maxing out on a spike too the only thing again I I don't know that I'm wondering how much they're hindered you know like uh you know like a gaming system how much are they hindered graphically by what they are able to create absolutely they are with Spike system there are limitations I've heard from this company from C pinball from the creators there are limitations I think it might have been was it Dwight sorry to call you out Dwight somebody was telling me it might have been a Cod or something they're limited Spike has only gotten them Spike 2 has only gotten them so far yes and they are already into this next system working behind the scenes on this next system do you think we get a larger screen in a spike 3 no no I don't think they'll change the screen I wouldn't mind seeing it larger you think so oh I would like to see it larger most people say that they they don't need that full 27in screen like a jjp but I like it I do like especially with some of the titles they get that's the thing is I mean you you take some of these titles like I would be floored to see some of those on a lot bigger screen back to back to Metallica we know that Metallica there was a dirty Donnie art home brew yes before Metallica came out because Metallica I forgot which band member in particular Metallica really likes pinball yeah so they really wanted pinball word on the street says that Metallica might be going to this new Factory checking it out and saying hey guys hm H I would love can we do this again now does that mean we're going to get a brand new Metallica game on the spike 3 system or does that mean they're going to redo the DMD I don't see them going back to DMD either oh I don't when the last time they made a DMD Vault or redo Iron Man Vault Iron Man would have been what was that 2020 2020 be at least three years ago yeah I don't see them going back and if they do go back they sure as a hell aren't going to bring a red DMD so then they have to program all the color and their own proprietary color display man I would love to see see it I'd love to see people are hollering and wanting Tron legacy people are wanting Lord of the Rings to be redone oh I still I don't see it in 2024 no not in 2024 but so yeah I don't want to waste time on that Metallica could be good the other rumored games now I don't know depending on when people are watching this the the heavily rumored game is Jaws jaw's coming out Keith Ellen's next bit we haven't seen Keith Elin we saw him last year for the special James Bond 60th but we haven't seen a Cornerstone from Keith Elin since Godzilla which is kind of weird honestly that's a long time now you really think about it like that's insane really just the way he was cranking games out and he's got them done yeah like that's that's that's actually interesting I mean time goes by F like I didn't really think I've heard that the uh people are watching after uh the their next release they may already know it is jws but uh I've heard the next game Cornerstone from Stern Pinball is going to be ginormous like it's going to be a huge seller it's fantastic and it's Keith elwin's it's it's he's it's the greatness yet again I just hope that they get I hope the assets are there you know I know I know I know we've discussed this and we've like heard rumor like was Brody not in there uh that sort of thing and you know I can I can I don't know like I'm I'm mixed cuz I mean he's obviously staple but if he was missing but he was still on the screen um it's still elwin I mean again I'll always go back to the way that they mased Jurassic Park yeah um and that was still a hot seller and still a great game so I I don't know if it it truly makes a big difference like I I want it Jeff gold we didn't have Jeff gold that's what I'm saying you didn't have anybody well I mean yeah you had Wayne Knight that's right I love that you knew down in the bottom that's it yeah I mean that's that's like it Newman but you know what I'm saying it's still it's still so good it was still a great game one of the best I would assume one of their best selling games I mean I feel like everybody's owned a Jurassic Park or Jurassic Park is one of the greatest selling St pimo alongside God so that's what I'm saying and it didn't have to have the assets and it didn't have to have the characters Here Comes Joel so another rumored game from Stern Pinball possibly in 2024 it's going to peek its head around the corner John Wick Keanu Reeves I'm just glad getu in a in a game now is that my favorite IP that Keanu is featured in no no but I like it could be fun it's action-packed yeah that's what I'm saying it could be it could be a lot of fun it could be I I want I just love Pio so it's like I I'll take anything honestly like I still love people love that whole series The John Wick series the first one I thought was great yeah second one was pretty good but it wasn't when I still even go back by four the four was so terribly hokey and Goofy like it but you know what's crazy though GRE give me the theme of John Wick over Godzilla honestly oh yeah theme wise 100% an old lizard that was before my time and once [ __ ] ke you you do that you do that well like I like that's yeah they could have done speed they could have done Point Break they could have done Matrix they could if we're talking Keanu man you speed speed wouldn't hold son of a i no I want it I'm saying I'm saying from a cell standpoint uh Point Break would be kind of cool but it would be kind of goofy it would be goofy it would be goofy uh so I mean this makes the most sense and I mean it's still a popular franchise it's still you know it's still good okay honestly I can't believe speaking of just ridiculous things like that that do really well I'm just surprised they never did a fast and and Furious yet yeah I mean but I would be a little I think we got to the point of nostalgia that it may work we're getting closer when you have like 14 movies it it it was popularity oh yeah you don't want to have all the no I that might work Universal Studios is still cranking out fast and furious like at the theme park stuff right yeah they still got a ride it's okay ride ain't great oh yeah you wrote it so we see that we've also heard of Pokemon yeah I think that would be big I think it would be big I do too there's still a ton of of kids I mean you're really going to get that youth you're going to get that that you know particular generation in there honestly probably going to grab a lot of people from our generation too it's an odd thing absolutely I've just never been I've never been a I've never been a Pokemon F I've never been a pokem man no yeah pokem man like I don't understand it like I I don't know why that I I never gravitate cuz I gravitate towards anything nerd uh you know everything else but yeah like yeah I was never into magic the ga oh I loved magic did yeah I Lov magic but that's what I'm saying and there was an old Marvel game um what was it power up or something I used to play Yeah but Pokemon just never I don't know something just never resonated with but I'm agree with you I think that if it's true like it could go over I think Pokemon EX Pokemon would do fantastic on the spike 3 system on Insider connected collecting cards collecting Pok transferring them between internet systems yes see Insider connected on that could be crazy and the the peak of spikee 2 I'm afraid probably is limited by something like the inside

Zach Sharp@ 20:03 — Indicates JJP may pursue 'Wizarding World' branding rather than specific film licenses to reduce licensing burden

  • “I think that's one of the only things that immediately people would buy one or two of and put in their house even if they came out simultaneously”

    Greg Bone@ 24:22 — Suggests Harry Potter franchise strength could support multi-game releases like Godfather/Elton John

  • “if you get the all the film license all the movies can you cram that into one no wouldn't it be cool if you crammed it into three”

    Zach Sharp@ 23:07 — Speculates on internet-connected multi-machine gameplay for Harry Potter ecosystem

  • “they're going to go after...they're inquiring about Friday the 13th and Nightmare either one of those”

    Greg Bone@ 28:53 — Confirms Spooky Pinball's active licensing pursuit in horror IP space

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    Jeremy Packerperson
    Gary Sternperson
    George Fisherperson
    Jawsgame
    John Wickgame
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    Spike 3product

    high · Zach Sharp: 'people watching after their next release they may already know it is Jaws'

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Harry Potter licensing complexity cited as primary factor potentially delaying Jersey Jack release from 2024 to 2025

    medium · Greg Bone: 'licensing would be the only thing' delaying Harry Potter; discusses historical difficulty and 'Wizarding World' branding as potential licensing workaround

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Jersey Jack Pinball designer assignments suggest Harry Potter not next title: Richie completed Elton John, Minor likely on next project, Mark Sidden could be third designer

    medium · Host analysis of JJP's three-designer structure and production timeline; speculation that Sidden title must prove itself before Harry Potter greenlight

  • ?

    product_strategy: Jersey Jack's multi-designer structure and recent title output pace suggests Harry Potter cannot realistically launch before 2025 despite development potentially being underway

    medium · Host timeline analysis: Elton John/Godfather consumed 2023 capacity; if Mark Sidden starts new title end-2023, earliest 2025 release feasible; licensing adds further delay risk

  • ?

    product_strategy: Stern Pinball expected to announce/release multiple 2024 titles including Jaws (Cornerstone), John Wick, Pokémon, potential Metallica Spike 3 remake, and music franchises

    medium · Hosts enumerate confirmed/rumored releases with various confidence levels; Jaws described as most likely immediate release

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Host skepticism about Pokémon pinball despite industry consensus that youth/nostalgia appeal would drive sales; personal disengagement with franchise reducing credibility of market prediction

    low · Zach admits 'I've never been a Pokémon fan' but agrees 'if it's true like it could go over...I think Pokémon would do fantastic'

  • ?

    business_signal: Stern Pinball may use special anniversary editions (Godzilla, Elvira Blood Red Kiss) to stimulate sales during market fluctuations

    medium · Greg Bone: 'when the market goes down Stern Pinball I think is smart and they're going to uh reup with something that people like'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Spike 3 platform in active development at Stern with expanded hardware/software capabilities beyond Spike 2 limitations

    medium · Greg references Spooky/unnamed coders confirming Spike 2 limitations and Spike 3 development; hosts discuss expanded processing, coil integration, light capacity

    • 13:37
    me a city I think that's maybe what is needed in a spike 3 to get to get that Bo some of that upgrade so I think Pokemon with all the uh enhancements and all the additions that you could do with downloadable content and stuff I think maybe we see that on a on a newer system other little rumor titles from Stern Pinball we taking so much time on Stern because they are the big dogs uh things like Dungeons and Dragons I've heard I mean there could be some you know pretty good okay all right my son would like it I know I think there's quite a few people that would honestly be I just don't know how hot it it would have to be very it would have to be very um it would have to be something like Godzilla that really grabs everybody you know that kind of that medieval kind of feel you know what I'm saying to where it would appeal to everybody I think if they did it like cuz Fighters I didn't care anything about we talked about that last year on this um I didn't care anything about that theme but they made it into a story line with aliens and illustrations that made it cool yes what I'm saying they did that with Dungeons and Dragons and yeah yeah it's something that that gives a Mass Appeal to where but it's still got a recognizable name cuz you don't you don't necessarily care about the name and everything but it's always it's better than an original title because you at least know Dungeons and Dragons so I think I think I think there could be a good selling point what about He-Man master of the universe man I like he man I think that's big see I think that's big I think it Go skull right in the middle I think that's huge that's a good theme for pinball I would just yeah I mean you got you got to have some good toys in like that you got a lot you can really do with that uh that would be freaking pretty cool yeah and we know that we're going to get St sterm pinball always does it we're going to get probably a Marvel another Marvel I don't know if it' be Spider-Man again I would I wouldn't mind into the spiderverse I wouldn't mind taking another SP a hot title uh and we know we'll probably get a Star Wars again they have a really close does that mean uh Ahsoka what we I don't know I don't know what the next Star Wars big push series it could be fun it would be but Star Wars possibly again uh and then we know we'll get a music at some point I've heard I've heard Rumblings of a sticks I've heard or actually I've heard Rumblings of a journey journey so D I like like I love I love joury but I don't know enough don't know if I want a journey pen I love journey I know like sticks but I definitely wouldn't want a sticks pin I still like mle K that's only way mle crew mle crew is the only way go I mean since we've got these people here you're talking about fun since we've got these people here Greg mly crew mle crew is going to happen I hope so yeah I just don't know if it's going to be by Stern how about that how about that how about that let's move on to Jersey Jack pimball okay everybody has talked about it hell Jack Wier uh continued pushing it uh Harry Potter maybe the most sought after title and all of pinball truth absolute truth is it is it hotter than Back to the Future yes for pinball yes yes it's close no it is it's close it is okay n yeah Harry Potter do you think Harry Potter you said you don't think it happens this year I don't think so like I I don't know I mean I mean I you see crank out games everyone there can crank out a game let's let's play and maybe they're already working on it let's play we're pretty smart at pinball okay we're we're in the industry we work this is our jobs right yeah so we had who does a Harry Potter pinball machine I think if anybody was going to design it they would give it to minor oh a th% they would give it to minor right he's kind of the lead designer at that company yes all right and he's kind of known for toys mechs coming up with that's right we just had we just had Elton John with Steve Richie prior to we had the Godfather with Eric Minor so next up I think is the new guy mariden that's what I'm saying so yeah I'm kind of with you I don't think Harry Potter is next I think it's a 2025 release they got two games out last year it depends like unless Mark siden is just a knockout it's going to take a year to make these things when we started when we started hearing that rumor I mean that's been a while now that that was all kind of letting over the Internet mhm so I mean if if Eric was already working on or started at that time uh end of year release next year that's that's that's that's doable doable I look what they did for exposition it is doable they it felt like they pushed out Elton John yeah to hit Expo the only okay here I'm going to actually throw something another I'm going to throw a wrench throw stones a ren I think listen Dodge a ball we're pretty good about like we've learned we've learned because our sources within companies and everything like we we know that licensing is just a pain in the ass anybody you talk to it works at one of these companies that has anything to do with licensing Looney Tunes trailer Warner Brothers yes it can be a nightmare so I would assume that Harry Potter being as hard as it was to get it everything that went on to try to get that license as long as it took that has got to be a licensing [ __ ] nightmare Absol that would be the only that's what I'm saying like that would be the only thing to me like let's just say that the a can crank it out they've got it done I just licensing we've seen can take forever and I would just assume that that unless they just hit everything perfectly would is what could drag that out and make that a 2025 release is because of the licing that's true the delays in LIC man you're on it to that I think it's a really really good point um damn I know that's why I only that's why I would still go with maybe that's a we're keep line going though we're getting ahead of the they got to keep the line going not say they don't have other them other okay but would that squeeze in we're gonna have another Steve Rie they only have three
    19:52
    designers I don't know uh Harry Potter I there have been Rumblings and uh Rumors in the community saying it's not Harry Potter films yes I heard that too it's like the legacy of Hogwarts just just the the the theming of the World of Harry Potter don't you try to sit here and look up for that it's a bad idea Harry Potter not I don't even want the Noel I'm not saying that it's Dana Radcliffe [ __ ] Harry Potter that's Harry Potter I I I would Emma Watson her Mighty that's what it is I'm not saying that I don't want that what I'm saying is and I'm not saying H grber Snape I'm not that's what it is I'm not particularly even saying that I I'm okay with it what I'm saying though I'd play it nobody nobody wants to pay the money for the movies I'd play it though I'd still play it and it would still be fun if they do it right Galactic tank force you have to do it right you have to do it right and you would still feel good oh stop at the doing it right you're looking up for it now no I'll play it and I'll play it with a with a frown on my face I mean I had to play Jurassic Park don't you make fun of that Jurassic Park play Jurassic Park I'm not even saying Harry Potter's a dream game of M but I love that theme oh it's a dream theme for me I love that them man but there's and I I love George Fisher with Don't Panic flip he's a streamer and he uh he always argues with me and he has fun he's the sweetest man ever cuz he was he's really open to uh the novel he's like no do the novel The Novel is where it's at anyway it's better than any of the films films are great but it's better and I'm like George Don't Stop what's he talking about like the imagining like doing like all Illustrated yeah think about the the artwork on the illustr that's what I'm saying like on all illust and follow the more the uh the storyline of that look a little bit books are so much better man they hack those movies to Pieces oh but no I mean you know what I no I know no no I couldn't do that George I'm s yeah I actually couldn't Studio Theme Park do it around the novel that's what I'm saying I I I I could do without the characters but have the world that's the one thing you don't understand is that world is so immersive and it's so unique to itself and there's so many people that are buying robes buying their own wands they have different wands for all kind but what I'm saying though is like you feel like you're a wizard in that like like so many people I think that are are are that love that franchise and everything they feel like they're a part of it so that's the only reason I think it's so immersive and it's so large and it has it has taken on its own entity that you could get away with doing a Wis in World of Harry Potter not just Harry Potter for that reason because you you you just love everything the moving staircases you you know you just you the only way I would be some of you know what I'm saying the only way I would like I wouldn't happy about it the only way I'd like a witing World of Harry Potter is if it's still is Daniel Rad it's it's like the theme part where you still get the storyline but you still get Radcliff you still get all of the the film characters that's it that's it here's the big bger question can you make that into one pinball machine can you really let's say you get the film for argument sake let's say you get the all the film license all 78 movies can you cram that into one no wouldn't it be cool if you crammed it into three that's and then wouldn't it be cool if you developed your internet connectivity that you got rid of scorett you come out with that and you get into a wizard mode on one and the only way to get into the grand wizard mode is to have your you're connected and you have wizard mode on all three games see that's when you play internet connectivity then if you if you complete one thing one you talk you can compl are you talking about reskins though like like a spooky no three different games three milk this thing for what you can so I listen Okay daddy wants some some new shoes now now we're talking about sell some games so now we're talking about something squeeze it because here here's the interesting thing behind that is Godfather Elton John I think three Harry Potter games I think that that is one of the few license that could pull off a multi-pin yeah like you know I mean you take jassic Park we've got three I mean now they followed movies and you got a retro one that still sold that's entirely different story but it's not that that shows now you again releasing them at the same time or roughly a few years apart that's an you know there's complications that but I think that that's one of the only things that immediately people would buy one or two of and put in their house even if they came out simultaneously there would be people buying different modes if you yes buy both because it's such a popular franchise that you could actually probably get away with that and I mean yeah see I mean it would be weird how you divide the films up do you do the first I don't care two know what I'm saying there's different there's different uh levels of those films like they take the heartwarming start then there has a middle act kind of thing in the series and then there's a dark that's the only thing I hated about stranger things stranger things isn't popular enough but I would have liked some upgrades to stranger things because the the that whole plot has developed so much and I love everything that is going on in these later Seasons that I would have really liked something little more more code update though yeah yeah I mean but what I'm saying though is like I want to embellish everything I just don't want the first film on a Harry Potter game I don't want but that that comes with complications though because got uh I've got nipples can you milk me Greg maybe I would milk that thing forever everything it's worth milk it make it into five games I don't care well you know that reference on what Meet the Parents yeah milk the cat yeah [ __ ] you me too you look like
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    Dao all right other rumors from jerse J I mean you don't look like Dao but you can I'm not saying you normally look like dairo I don't want to you know it's all right great I mean uh Matrix o oh my gosh I've been telling people uh look Jersey Jack's been kind of squatting on some some uh some rotten eggs when it comes to themes lately yeah just give it give it time just think if they have the Matrix top gun's another one just think Top Gun holy [ __ ] I think Top Gun would go over pretty well especially if that was a Richie pin pretty well wait pretty well man with Tom Cruz I mean the movie the second one was Maverick was fantastic yeah and I don't care if it's Maverick or oh Maverick's tooo late cuz yes you can't do Maverick but man if you get the the Top Gun you got their sound system oh my God this all you need is those two songs yeah well I'm just saying like having the fly over K but you have like jets fly over and oh man Matrix would be killer too if they do a first Matrix you what they should do this sounds absolutely ridiculous they should have speakers that uh this isn't okay if this is ridiculous prepare for a idea this is ridiculous okay you guys ready for the ultimate accessory to top gun that they can come out with is you have a bracket and it just feeds down in there and it has two two other brackets that come out over like this like a kios that come up like the old video game systems in the 90s where they try to give you a little surround sound but it comes up over behind you and you get surround sound s Top Gun yeah like sound curve sound but no it don't even curve it's just two independent speakers that come out it comes out and there's two independent speakers that set now it comes over and now they set right back here behind your head when you're playing you know maybe even up high if you need to keep them up high and then you get surround you feel back you're like oh [ __ ] or you can just plug in headphones but it's an accessory no because you're still not going to get that surround this is an accessory you going to pay me jjp cuz they're going to make that happen Matrix make it happen that's why but don't make it happen unless you can get the asset oh I'm going to make that for my Gams anyway I want want to see this remember that idea that we did have oh yes oh yeah we're going to work on that maybe that's 2024 all right what about so jjp that's what I've heard they'll find a way to make another music pin too but I don't know what it would be spooky pinball our friends over at spooky pinball uh if we're thinking horror kind of stuff people have talked about Evil Dead they've talked about Friday the 13th those are the ones that I Nightmare on Elm Street that kind of stuff now Nightmare on Elm Street I think I think we we were hanging out with the guys on stream and I think if this was off the a my apologies but I think they said I think it some no it might have been this is this what are they going to do love you guys I think they said at some point yeah we'll we'll make Friday the thir we'll make uh we'll make Night round on I think well here's the thing in all reality they're probably going after yeah they're going to go after all all of those license you know they're Chainsaw Massacre yeah they're inquiring about Friday the 13th and Nightmare either one of those and I I even posed and I didn't get an answer to it I think they looked at me like I was stupid uh like I I wouldn't mind a child's play I you know what me too like I think it would be a neat looking pin the C Legacy yeah the cab being like a a good guy like Bo box or something like like you so do so much the head could be a good guy box and then it looks like cellophan whenever it's in a track mode he's just standing there and then maybe moves his eye every now and then see I mean that would be a pretty cool franchise just because the call out from Brad dorf like would be amazing of what you could do we were doing featurettes we were doing see now we're getting on hypothetical pull us in as these are now we're dream theming we're getting off track but yes okay Friday 13th you know what though that would be amazing to me people have rumored Evil Dead and I'm going to say this Greg I I'm a big fan of Evil Dead one and two Army of Darkness no I'm not don't like Army of dark hate [ __ ] I know people we'll get emails because of that but who cares but Evil Dead I think is a better theme for for pinball than even Friday the 13th or Nightmare on El Street I really do it's got more fantasy in it that lends itself to pin more so than just straight [ __ ] it does I I won't disagree with you but it's still just not I know but it's still it's still just not it's it's Goofy and wacky at times too more so than the just the seriousness of uh I think it not I'm not saying it wouldn't do good A lot of people are calling for it yeah but I would still Friday 13th probably still be my that's like your favorite be top okay Nightmare on Elm Street if you got Nightmare on Elm Street and you had [ __ ] great call outs I mean you know Freddy got pretty pretty crazy pretty r one of my favorite series is is Freddy so that could be fun it could be almost like a Deadpool type thing oh yeah I even like Wes Craven's New Nightmare I love New Nightmare everybody loved New Nightmare did they yeah okay what about cgc 2024 let's show hope they make some pulp fictions yeah damn I think they're just going to be consuming making pul fiction [ __ ] come on yeah uh do you think we see another they they talked about an MMR run again they were that was supposed to be into 2023 I don't even know if we get in 2024 if they rerun a few things like that and they get they start knocking out pulp fictions and stuff um I I I would assume that we're not going to see anything new from them in 2024 it's literally going to be Pulp Fiction are we even going to see the enhancement kit for Cactus Canyon the upgraded the upgraded code the the barn or the saloon doors is that going to be we've been promised that uh I think that you run pulp fictions run it through the majority of the year and then maybe in the fall October is you come out with your enhanced code and you bump up some more production of Cactus Canyon since it uh becomes a a thing again make that until March and then March roll out maybe with a new a new remake or something like that uh but come on guys2 I don't see anything I would love to see another remake like a twilight zone or something Adams Family Indiana Jones I would love to see that but I'm losing Fai I'm losing faith I'd love an updated what about the newcomer barrels of fun barrels of fun they came out and shocked the world with Labyrinth shocked the world heard I don't I don't keep up on pball oh my go so things that companies like that that are I I don't I don't know but I've heard great stuff about labyrith so I guess I my colle uh the rumor and again I have no I'm close to these guys and I don't have any known fact if this is true but fifth element is what I know I know it's a it's a it's it's just like that Labyrinth where it's like a cult classic the old 9s cult classic I mean it it was a good movie but I think that it's gained in popular because it's just there's so that's a that's a gorgeous everything about that film is and I would a th% that would be one of my I thought I figured that'd be take my money that is that is going in my house just I love every freaking thing about it B boom bada boom yeah that's what gave mil julovich her start did it mhm that's what what made her big I thought Resident Evil helped too resident Evil's after was it right after yeah that's what got her so it's got Gary Oldman it's it's got a lot of people it' be hard to get that I mean you got Bruce Willis Gary old man's [ __ ] classic poor Bruce Willis is going down fast like it'd be tough Chris Tucker yeah I love Chris Tucker on call outs oh oh my gosh that would be fantastic yeah his phallic hair that's right uh they had a lot of people in that film it was it amazing in that film I forget uh oh man yeah I'm like thinking the possibilities I think I could do very well very well man and it seems right up their alley too they theme integration so well it's got a lot of really good really good movie call outs that you could do a lot of great lines the opera scene yeah the whole scene my God she that whole thing that's fantastic and she's just shouting and oh my God but just every that's just a world into itself that was created that's so insane that um I think I don't know if it's just rumor but it could it could definitely Chrome it brass it black nickel it candy Chrome it powder coat it the possibilities are endless at pinball
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    know what about haggus pinball they just announced uh last summer they announced centaur Revisited which is sold very well they're making those likely as we speak um I think they still announced something later this year and if they do remake I think it's pretty safe to say probably eight ball Deluxe cuz they get fairly well ahead of it you take you take them finishing up fathoms and then you take when they released Centaur yeah so yeah I mean I'd say we get an announcement we're not going to see anything October we would get an announcement yeah I can see that so maybe we getoun a Ball deluxe M or the way they're doing 2.0 codes they can almost do anything that shoots well and looks good they can create into whatever they want to this is going to be the most messed up video cuz like I I don't look at the camera been just staring over cuz I you're P this is the most stop provoking episode don't hurt yourself it's messing me up a little bit what about uh pinball Brothers I don't know pinball Brothers what they're doing uh there were some Rumblings that because they've been cranking a lot of alien not so many queens yeah to be fair uh Ripley Edition aliens people are eating I think that Ripley looks cool I like there were some rumors that maybe they take the torch for the '90s balet Williams planetary pinball love that money and they got that license so pinball Brothers uh maybe they make I want to see what pinball brothers does because here's the weird thing is like I had an alien it had a few issues mhm but they were very simple things um and I know there was some code stuff of it being a little buggy like when I had mine when they were really rolling those out but once you got all that done it was a very solid game it was built very well I felt so like I would like something with better geometry like I would like a proven pen like standard body yeah I would like to see what they can do with a remake you know they had some really nice detail stuff that other people weren't doing that's what I'm saying so like like I'm I'm actually I would be very excited to see them do something I I like that I think it'd be cool to see if they can do a remake I do too cuz you wouldn't have to falter too much from what's already there yes uh and then you can design some animations you can design I think it'd be really neat the other Rumblings is another band pen like a European band but I don't know be careful I don't know be careful what about uh American pinball here's here's the deal here's what we do know Dave fix talks a lot uh and most Dave some of it's true some of it's not but he said he's already told us the next game is an original theme which is always a bad decision uh but he said it's Barry orser's last game I think that may be food truck he was developing over at Deep route but then I think they said it was re-engineered so it's like a single level I sounds like a bad bad idea in the making to me yeah I just man God God Rest the soul of Barry or love the guy and I'd like to see him have a game out if it was working on it I if it's food truck I'm I'm not sold no I'm really not sold you gotta be so man original themes to me are are still just dead unless you do something like Houdini or you did something like you know when back a long time ago Sherlock Holmes you know what I'm saying like you have something that's still the SE yeah you have something that resonates with people well here I'll make it better then day fix then said after that they're going to do another original theme oh man now that one is going to be kind of a a sequel or another affiliation with a previously made game most people are saying Whitewater it's a sequel to Whitewater Nordman going to do it cuz he was working on that now now listen so call me crazy but something like that might be okay it' be okay selfishly for me because it's still because I love that yeah but what I'm saying though even though it's an original theme it has name recognition behind it it's not it's not like dialed in um like so that one could be that one that one they could pull that off if it's a good game if it's a good game you could pull it off as a dealer I I I would I wouldn't sell that one short okay I I'm I would wouldn't and then the rumor after that is a licensed theme the rumor is a video game theme of cuphead what yeah do you know what cuphead is the hell's cuphead I knew you wouldn't know what it is I love did you know yeah absolutely I know I do you're like my wife y'all don't know anything about current events or pop culture anything yeah it's like it's the one that uh it's like the big Trend probably a couple years ago it's kind of old now but it's a big Trend where it's a 2d platform kind of game but it has the animation the old like Disney style animation stuff that's making a comeback uh very very beautiful one of the most beautiful like uh games ever but remember old uh like steam belt Willie Disney animation and stuff like that it's like that okay very difficult game arcade game very hard uh video game cupet but that that is Ryan McQuade that that's the GU but okay so here's the thing I don't give a [ __ ] if you like it or not that's not much of a theme that that's my problem is like I didn't didn't know what it was I'm pretty diverse yeah yeah you know your [ __ ] especially arcade stuff so that that kind of video game yeah but I'm and may maybe I'm just missing it because that's not my realm anymore I can't I don't get go seen it you would uh oh I'm not seeing but what I'm saying though you recognize character that like what I'm saying though is the popularity sure sure Greg bone I save the best for last okay uh because this one may not go down for five hours I may have to call the doctor uh Dutch pinball Dutch pinball we know M did the big Labowski yeah years ago well yeah but they're still making them okay they did the 2.0 BR of pinball yeah rumor is they secured Back to the Future holy [ __ ] back to the future that if I could get I love the big la bousi I love the theme I love the toys in I love it shoots really good if the power supply the right ramp they claim to have it fixed um I even like the display kind of stuff feels a little dated now yeah but uh it's it's a honking big old game Heavy if they can bring that magic to Back to the Future I agree with that I will agree with that cuz there was impressive stuff in that game oh god there was I uh this is as many of our viewers know one of my this is my top this is my Greg bone Jurassic Park I know this is it for me that and The Goonies like those two are everything to me I'm not I'm not sitting here pondering on the theme obviously I love the theme because I just I want it so bad I just want it I want one of the top 88 because you know they'd make a top edition of 88 I want one of those I want preferably Dutch pinball if you're listening number one or number 14 my lucky number uh I just I or number 88 God for oh my God I'll pay extra for that I want that game and I don't want you to [ __ ] it up yeah so there's my that's why I'm sitting here pondering you mess this up I'm pondering cuz it'll be game number two that's it I don't then they're going to have to transfer to an LCD I've told people in the podcast the pinball show that I do that if Dutch pinball [ __ ] this up I will vow I will make it my goal and you know me when I make goals GRE I know I will create my own Back to the Future pinball machine hey I'd help you and it will be greatness I'd help you it's everything to me I got to have this I want to theme a whole room around this pinball machine that's the rumor now now man something tells me though if ddge pinballs got it why doesn't Stern have it why doesn't jjp have it why doesn't spooky have it's another curious thing about like how they snag that license I've heard the licensing and the assets to really get everything is it super expensive it just can't be done oh so you think that maybe other people passed because you couldn't get that they didn't feel get Christopher Lloyd you can't get any you can't get them can you get them on screen though might be able to get Biff can you get them on screen knows what I'm saying you can't get them oh you can't use anything can't get voice nothing i' I've heard I've heard a rumor and we're deep enough in the industry and this may be true I've heard a rumor that uh you could only get like the Silhouettes of them or like the back side of them if they're like Illustrated that's what I was saying you can't get nothing that's why I was like okay it would still suck but if you had that on the back glass or something like that but what I'm saying though but then you still had them on the screen again let's talk about jassic park it could be livable the only way that works for me is if they let us hobby bastardize it afterwards and we can reskin it and you can I don't want to do the Playfield again but I'll reskin a cabinet I'll reskin a translite and if somebody can do the whole Jurassic Park thing where we get into the code and we can throw movie clips in there cuz we could we could go in hes on artwork for it I I'm fine with that I split artwork with I'm fine with that I've talked to Christopher franie about doing a Lord of the Rings for me he said he would never do it just because he doesn't like that theme and I'm like yeah but money is money and he's like no you don't get it Zack I will not do it because I don't like that so weird I don't know why I figured he would love it artist he he looks like he would love I don't know why Back to the Future uh Dutch pinball you're you're our only hope your only hope this is interesting do you think that uh do you think that flipping out pinball will become a Dutch pinball de that's like the only company we don't sell for H yeah most likely you think so yeah why not little diversity in the US that's a good idea it' be nice I think I we do pretty good yeah yeah absolutely what do people need to know I don't know they need to like they need to follow they need to subscribe uh to straight down the middle sdtm they need to do that yeah we're so busy bringing you guys Joy with your Pino machines at home we were busy last we had we had I think we made official videos for three different manufacturers yeah they're busy we're bringing you the quality the goods baby we don't clickbait it we bring the good stuff yeah girth we bring it the girth don't we we've learned a lot this year too on a lot of different things oh man what do you mean we have learned all kinds of I'm going to leave it at that [ __ ] oh good leave it at that we learned a lot of things we've made a lot of good relationships yes that we're going to have fun with in 2024 oh 2024 is going to be big for us it's going to be big for us it's going be pretty big it's also going to be big for the plug of the show flipping out pinball Distribution Company that Greg and I work with so uh we get to we get to show off some stuff over there as well and some new products I going do some more arcade stuff I really do I want some big fun stuff like the Fast and Furious raw Thrills game the driver I want to do that or that new Godzilla I still love Park you keep telling me I should get rid of but I love it I'm just saying it's big if you want to put it you know I love it even though it eats up pinball space I love it speaking of eating up pinball space Greg I think it's time to say goodbye to these darling people goodbye people we'll see if we're right 2024 I think people [Music] checklist with a slingshot you're rolling out the out
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    again I don't know I'll tell you the least problematic game ooh what's that Bond really I've only I've only had one and we saw a lot of bond I've only had one bond that had an issue huh um and it was jetpack issue yeah and that was it um fix it yep pretty sure and then like there was like a missing part like missing post or something like sleeve or something and then uh Foo Fighters had some overcurrents um and one diverter from an overcurrent but that's solid too all the mechs on both those games like those are the least and there's like newest games it's like those people that have have you ever known people it's a very country thing well where they'll have an an inside dog and they'll have an outside dog yeah I think it's the shittiest thing ever like why is that dog regulated out usually it's the big dog yes the big dog gets stuck outside well he can take it and the little frail little yanky bastard is inside I'm not a dog person anymore all I still love dogs but I would never own another dog feel like I don't know you anymore unless I have somebody can take care of that dog I just don't I don't want the time anymore cats are easy other than as it was chewing on a Christmas tree other than doing that well no I was you pass code like your notes right I wanted uh I wanted facial recognition on FanDuel and then I like it wanted me to put in a pen well I thought I could just do it separate but then you got to have like the pen on your phone I guess for the facial recognition on that FanDuel now has all of your information oh yeah I'm fine with I don't care what are you doing gambling on FanDuel I love FanDuel Greg Sports amaz oh no Greg don't parlay me how much money have you lost this year on gambling yeah made doubled my money start calling you nor McDonald D doubl it I love it lost 2 million you know me if I lost money I'd [ __ ] stop it but all gamblers say they're ahead oh I'm truly ahead like I truly yeah I'm smart I go play roulette oh oh I'm play roulette God and I'm ahead if I'm I go and playette swe I swear I swear ask Chelsea ask Chelsea I I if I'm there for 10 minutes and I hit good I walk away ask Chelsea promise what do you think I play at the casino you'd play you'd probably play rette maybe Blackjack you look like a blackjack I'm a blackjack no I I don't like any of it I would rather just uh go see a show in Vegas man like that's what I want to do I want to shop and go see shows I do not want I do not want to gamble I hate gambling gambling it stresses me out I think it's all rigged I really think it's all rigged it could be yeah I don't like it and they they went with this fake uh slot machine thing now mhm where it's all [ __ ] it's all electronic now it's like what they did with the CR games remember the crane games back in the day back in my day it was an actual physical feature where where skill based now it's not it's all programmed either you get one strong tug every 20 every 40 or you get nothing so it's rigged mhm true I don't like I don't like the fakeness I like I like uh earning I like earning earning my prizes MH what are you betting on this week I bet NFL little bit do you bet do you bet Bears or do you stay away from them since they're I bet be I won't bet I won't bet the money line or anything on them yeah I'll bet over under and then I'll bet individual players you probably bet what stream quarterback they're going to use this
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    week don't we have a kicker that can throw the ball get up here honestly like Kansas City is the ones that [ __ ] me the most this year I don't bet on Kansas City they've been not a single player I get screwed by like one yard every time on cuz I do parlays see I called it you do parlays do parlays man Travis Kelce was just so worried about Swift [ __ ] that killed my fantasy football team just killed it I'm like dude I know you're you know I know you're with in that but come on man football's still important too heading the game well it was deep in that game