SDTM Episode 72: This Or That? (wow, that one was fun!)

Straight Down the Middle·video·43m 9s·analyzed·Sep 6, 2018

Analysis

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TL;DR

SDTM Episode 72 features "This or That" pinball purchase comparisons across recent releases and classics.

Summary

Straight Down the Middle hosts Zach Sharp and Greg Bone conduct their 72nd episode featuring "This or That?" format where they compare pinball machine purchase decisions across multiple scenarios. The episode covers comparisons between recent and classic titles including Monster Bash remake vs. Pirates of the Caribbean vs. TNA, Iron Maiden vs. Deadpool artwork, Indiana Jones vs. Star Wars Premium Edition, and various other matchups. Notable themes include artwork appreciation, playability preferences, and the balance between theme/aesthetics and mechanical gameplay.

Key Claims

Monster Bash remake has not been extensively played by the hosts yet due to NDA restrictions
high confidence · "We haven't put enough time on one yet... When they did the whole little NDA thing, people reached out to us and let us know what it was."
Jeremy Packer (Deadpool artist) rejected Greg's Facebook friend request after criticism about the artwork appearing cluttered and red
high confidence · "poor Jeremy Packer made it a few comments, and then I tried to friend him on Facebook to apologize, and he will not accept my friend request"
Star Wars Premium Edition has more dynamic rules than Indiana Jones but the multipliers are annoying
high confidence · "The rules are more dynamic on Star Wars, but they have the multipliers, which annoy me."
Greg considers Indiana Jones (Harry Williams design) to be the greatest pinball machine ever developed overall
high confidence · "this Larry Day, Indiana Jones by Harry Williams, is, as a whole, the greatest pinball machine ever developed."
Dialed In has a theme that holds it back from being preferred despite being the best game mechanically
high confidence · "The only thing... the big deciding factor is that Dialed In theme. That's it. Why it's not for me."
Star Wars Premium Edition is the best shooter among Star Wars, Star Trek, and Spider-Man Vault
high confidence · "It's the best shooter of the bunch. Yeah, that's right."
Color DMD provides bigger visual impact than Pin Stadium Lights but Pin Stadium Lights has wider applicability across machines
medium confidence · "I think on the colored DMD then... Pin Stadium Lights because you know what you can put on a Whirlwind not a colored DMD"
The Simpsons Pinball Party has more depth and playability than initially expected despite being convoluted
medium confidence · "The Simpsons is not... it's a lot of depth to it, but it's not as hard to understand"

Notable Quotes

“I still respect him as an artist, and I really, really like his art. I am, and I did not mean to upset him so quickly.”
Greg Bone@ 7:30 — Addresses community impact of critical artwork commentary and relationship with Stern artist Jeremy Packer
“this Larry Day, Indiana Jones by Harry Williams, is, as a whole, the greatest pinball machine ever developed.”
Greg Bone@ 13:59 — Definitive statement of preference for Harry Williams Indiana Jones as pinnacle pinball design
“Iron Maiden is a better pinball machine. That's right. I think it's a better shooter. You know, I think the rules are understandable.”
Zach Minney@ 19:10 — Clear preference statement for Stern's Iron Maiden over Jersey Jack's Wizard of Oz despite personal theme dislike
“This or That is what do you want to play right now? For me, Iron Maiden.”
Zach Minney@ 19:47 — Clarification that the format focuses on immediate play preference rather than objective machine quality ranking
“But I will not own it until I can... Toad's better and store for... keep it.”
Zach Minney@ 23:30 — Explains hesitation about Spider-Man Vault despite liking it due to perceived gameplay longevity issues
“If there's a one-pin collection, it makes you messes my results of just general collection: Medieval Madness, Heavy Metal Meltdown.”
Greg Bone@ 19:03 — References personal collection priorities when making comparative judgments

Entities

Zach SharppersonGreg Boneperson Jeremy Packerperson George Gomezperson Jersey Jack PinballcompanyStern PinballcompanyChicago Gaming CompanycompanySpooky Pinballcompany

Signals

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community_signal: Jeremy Packer artwork criticism on Deadpool resulted in artist rejecting host's Facebook friend request; indicates tension within small artist-enthusiast community
high · Greg explicitly states Packer 'will not accept my friend request' after critical comments about artwork looking 'cluttered and red'
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design_philosophy: Gameplay longevity concern identified with Spider-Man Vault; high initial appeal doesn't translate to long-term retention
medium · 'every single person I've talked to says that it just gets old real fast'
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design_philosophy: Hosts identify distinct design philosophy differences between Jersey Jack (theatrics, complexity, toys) and Stern (playability, speed, flow)
high · Repeated discussion of JJP Pirates vs. Stern Iron Maiden contrasting theatrical rules against shooter accessibility
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leak_detection: Monster Bash remake identity confirmed through NDA-protected early access; details known by hosts but game not yet publicly released
high · 'When they did the whole little NDA thing, people reached out to us and let us know what it was'
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market_signal: Price parity noted between Indiana Jones and Star Wars Premium Edition despite different manufacturer (Williams classic vs. Stern modern)
medium · 'They're gonna run you about the same price.'
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Topics

Machine comparison methodologyprimaryArtwork and aesthetic design evaluationprimaryGameplay mechanics vs. theme appeal trade-offsprimaryCommunity artist relationssecondaryAftermarket upgrades (LEDs, DMD)secondaryPlayfield design and ball flowsecondaryPersonal collection prioritiesmentioned

Sentiment

positive(0.72)— Generally enthusiastic about machines discussed with balanced critiques. Greg expresses frustration about one NDA situation and mentions feeling emotionally hurt by artwork criticism implications. Overall tone is collaborative and respectful of differing opinions while maintaining good humor.

Transcript

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at kingly chrome at powder-coated the possibilities are endless at pinball play team.com let's kick this [ __ ] [Music] you had a fling with a slingshot you roll an a/c outlet are gay [Applause] [Music] hey guys it's me Zach from straight down the middle of pinball hi guys I'm Greg and this is just some guy some guy sitting next to me I'm the likable one no you're not at this point I don't think either one of us likeable people are giving us our time Oh Greggy I don't know where I only we've done anything different I don't think so it's okay we welcome all we do even the haters of the trolls we can all do what we do because we do it good we sure as hell are getting paid for it no it's an outlet so I don't know how much of an ally you've been in a bad mood all morning again yeah you said every video the kids it's true it is true I feel like when you're on the phone with me you're happy-go-lucky kind of guy and then I come into your cuz I can hang up the final personal zone yeah you can ask me to leave you found that before too no you haven't but for a fact it sounded very good uh-huh we're gonna do this or that episode we're in our 70s now how about that episode 70 1 2 3 something like that it's quite a few episodes man we look back it does that's a lot of work looks sore on the road with Munsters i watch The Munsters documentary the other night did you yeah they do with anything because they were I think that they did 70 episodes Oh 70-something episodes and their two seasons span it has a lot of episodes per season yeah yeah yeah I've never really been a fan of monsters and with the possibility of there being a Munsters pin I love horror so I just want to make sure that I can get into that [Music] now about that all right this or that for those of you unfamiliar with this format this is our segment where we bring up a scenario if you will of possible pinball purchases and we choose between this pinball or that pinball are those pin balls you know it's very like would you rather a pinball yeah man it's ours yeah man let's get into the first one this is one that I constructed because we got a lot of new pins coming out I wanted to include Deadpool in this this or that a lot of people have been asking about Deadpool you guys are gonna have to wait for the next this or that because we haven't we haven't put enough time on one yet so that being said Monster Bash remake le yeah or Pirates of the Caribbean or I think you're stupid last one too though I'm gonna go ahead and call you out TNA we've played all three of them yeah but we didn't play the remake we don't know we know what it is but we don't know what you know when they did the whole little NDA thing playing people reached out to us and let us know what it was all right so we're we know what it is it's monster bash well if you don't want to pretend it's a remake then just pretend it's not a remake but the same damn game I know but you know which one you going for Greg monster bash remake Pirates of the Caribbean budget reject or teen a parts I thought you'd go for that data East Tom in the back yeah why cuz I like it there's some again like no monster bash I love monster fish but it gets stale very quick okay you know that like I love it I love the theme I love the look of it I think it's beautiful I think that it's someone people will shoot me over this it equates to the beauty somewhat of pirates it's it's very well written a I like it teen a is very pretty barrel for me pretty pin all three pretty pins DNA obviously be in the least amount of depth ranked them well I'm gonna go pirate monster bash TNA I'm gonna go pirates because it gives you the most to get the most toys it shoots like a dream it's beautiful then I'll go TNA then I'll go monster bash monster that's really not on my radar much I like it's cool I like that I like that they brought it back and it looks honestly the Monster Bash again the I kind of think TNA is a better shooter like I like the way much the best shoots it's fun there's a lot of shots there's a Lancome is best layout yeah I like a lot but I like the speed of TNA what about the the gameplay of TNA or pirates that's a tough one shooting wise it's that's where the difference comes in I still like the pirates attitude and I still like all the toys and I like I still like the gameplay of pirates better as well yeah how did you how did you so we're both pirates yeah we hurry it's art now by the time this airs I should have won I hope so I'm ready to play it where these Pizza Erik Minard where you're hiding them okay what if he does what he's just got a garage full of pirates okay now we're gonna move on to people love when straight down the middle talks Iron Maiden okay so we're gonna talk how they do we're gonna talk some more Iron Maiden love to hate there's a little category little subset here are you gonna go Iron Maiden art or Deadpool art a little pecker special a little zombie Yeti special because lord knows that the entire pinball community heard your remarks about deadpool saying looks a little cluttered and a little red so much so that poor Jeremy Packer (Zombie Yeti) made it made a few comments and then I tried to friend him on Facebook to apologize and he will not accept my friend request it's gonna hurt my feelings because I still respect him as an artist and I really I really like his art I am and I did not mean to to die so quickly in his fired up lately and so like I I don't know like I like the uncleanness of iron May might be one person that has friended me but not you how about that I know you got Gomez for life I got Packer for life hacker for well our peckers maybe I don't want that to come but what are you going you're going hiring Maidan archive war Deadpool I I like well listen listen listen listen mines mines - folder I'm not backing up I'm not backing up at all I like the way that he designed and laid out Maidan I like you know he made the comment where he said that bitching about the sand and everything to play field I should like that I like it I like the Deadpool characters I like the art I like the look in the Megalodon the t-rex I like I like all that I love all the characters on the play field I love all the individual pieces he did okay a lot more than Iron Maiden instantly you like the theme or an Iron Maiden but I am NOT saying it but I like the the cohesiveness and the beauty of the pin itself of Iron Maiden more colors and colors everything else the way that he laid out the play field or the course or where the character said I liked everything he did with that a lot more than Deadpool but I liked his actual individual artistic pieces a lot more on Deadpool because I still think they're 4x2 off I'll make a decision what about cabinets bad glass well then I'm gonna go with I mean I also gotta go with Iron Maiden okay what about bad glasses which ones oh I'm maintenance it's a good bad glass it is how many cabinets are her maiden okay you're an Iron Maiden yeah I'm going Deadpool it looks better it's prettier I like the colors better cabinet besides that Megalodon I like the mangled arm now you know I noticed in person the pro cabinets a lot darker than we got on those high-res pictures so well I think once I see the le and it was very orange ii and yellowy I think that's actually gonna pop very well I can agree that the highways is small they were fantastic it made everything a little brighter like the playfield on streams is looking a hell of a lot better than what it did in those it does not seem as seems darker it does it's not as vibrant and in your face like the high-rises were but I don't like on Deadpool or how the premium le have the same bag glass I don't like that I'm not but you know I understand I understand as well yeah I'm gonna Deadpool I think it looks better I love that big Deadpool right in the middle of the play field getting this Michael I love that even the plastics I like better - yeah Deadpool all day long art / iron main art yeah for me she's always coming from yeah do you kind of copped out the people of Jeremy Packard no he won't friend me looking out for him you know what the reason I haven't tried to friend Jorge Gomez on Facebook is because I'm afraid he won't respond I think he's my friend probably he'd better be moving on okay this Chris Woodard submitted this and this Christopher this is rough Christmas wasn't very nice but he says okay you guys are so high on the indiana jones indiana jones by williams or star wars premium oh yes i think it's pretty easy pretty easy yeah I'm having a hard time really my then you go first I want to edit the explanation um I don't give you a lot of time thing and he still takes the time to think themes are fantastic both of them a plus things I like Andy better in Star Wars a pristine yep I do I do okay well you can say I don't know if you say okay whatever I grew up on India grew up on Star Wars nope not really was a little bit before our time okay playability one's a wide-body ones uh yeah they both shoot great yeah both sound good yeah Andy looks better yeah one plays a little more like a white buy a little slower the other one plays very fast the rules are more dynamic on Star Wars but they have the multipliers which annoy me yeah but you also it's more of a journey although based on indie yeah which is and I just got to the wizard mode so I'm kind of done with that I know Oh Indy I'm Indy yeah space house really film - I'll throw it up on Facebook hi Gregg's been showing off some wizard mode so I figure I'll do the same every switch I believe you have to hit all flashy shops and the multiball for 1 billion [Applause] [Music] see I told you guys so just learn things but I was like 11 switches away to defeat it so i don't--all life yeah I didn't whisper didn't really get close so it got boring after that though you say I didn't it did fulfilled my fix you know what feeling I just convinced myself for that reason alone I'm gonna say Star Wars okay I'm still gonna go with indie but I think Indies the better game now Andy does that hurts me because I have been to the Emperor twice on Star Wars okay and I still still enjoy that okay I do I still love going through the modes I still love playing the modes a get into the wizard honestly did not kill that game to me it's one of the very few of the games that I've gotten to the wizard on that it has not killed it for me so I'm going I'm picking Star Wars premium based on enjoy ability of play if I picked all of the other categories I still and I tell people this to this day Indiana Jones by Williams is as a whole the greatest pinball machine ever developed and you know I share that sentiment so you're gonna go indie yeah okay go Indy just because of looks and they're gonna run you about the same price yeah moving a Chris nice job we Louis very loved the difficult ones nice job Christian a-plus for that this red Eric C one two threes a big zach fan and he's one of my favorite people in this whole world thank you Eric C love you he reached out and said hey I'm thinking about trading off my Houdini now should I go iron or uh Iron Man plus $2,000 for my Houdini or Aerosmith le straight-up for my food Dini so you know what I'd go with well you're gonna sound crazy I do not like that play field on the premium and le Aerosmith really I don't I don't mind that upper place I died I think it's a waste I don't think it's that great I would all know Mickey but I'm okay I'd almost go with the Iron Man pocket that mm cash and go with something else that would be my class I like Carol Smith I like it a lot but Eric I would come to your senses in keep Houdini and that's not what you did but I think over those three Houdini is easily the best pin and you know what Greg frickin miss my Houdini I do kind of think Houdini might be a better all-around pin but it's it's it's front more frustrating yep ah then the Iron Man that's pretty but I can shoot Iron Man is not really frustrating it's tough but it's not frustrating yeah I don't know for me I'm missing my Houdini I'd like to get one back yeah I don't one I didn't get to my the mini wizard modes it's hard it's got a lot of code I want I want I want that back I like Iron Man I'm definitely doing I'd do Iron Man 2 grand ok split decision don't you alright moving up alright now call an urban he's got a couple real Tuffy's here : we're gonna give you an A+ as well : says I don't know how to answer this Houdini or Hobbit two of my favorite pins ever that's just a weird it's a weird one that's just a very little boy rice boys are very close yes for use what are you looking at 65 to 7 no I have no clue I won them both is that an answer man that's tough that is really tough it really is that one I am Colin come on man that's a tough one come on like now you're killing the show because that you're like so we're stolen here that were stolen cuz it that we don't know what to do so I would say you're not gonna lose with either one of them less preface that I think both of them need to be in a collection because both of them are a blast to play there you know what spectacle they sound great I will go with you on that and this may be the first time that we did not give a legitimate answer I was gonna give one but you talked me into not so thank you know if if I was dance iose if I was denying McMahon was going somewhere out of Kody me now I'd almost go Hobbit just but then I thought Zac which one you want to play then I thought as so nobody in it so let's move on call an urban also having another difficult you felt that was a foul and that's salty Greg already Wizard of Oz okay or Iron Maiden that's another tough one too great pins it's just I hate pins let's call it let's call it the Iron Maiden Pro+ mm cash no no just do premium do premium do more of what he wanted well how do you know that's what he what he just said Iron Maiden yeah but I would assume more this this more let's make him more or equal okay was was or Iron Maiden premium I think I might go with Iron Maiden over Jersey Jack's wizard yeah I really like wise but again second our revenue go back to our review it's bold it's still beautiful there's still a lot going on but there's still something I like a little bit that speed and I I there's a place for a stern there's always a place for a stern at my house oh absolutely and I prefer for us I prefer being I'll have that control a little bit more control and speed my answer is always gonna be determined based on my collection because they're totally different and sometimes I want the theatrics and the rules of a laws somebody sometimes I want the playability in the flow of an Iron Maiden a pickin it's not a one pink collection because if there's a one pink collection it Masek you my results of just general collection mm-hmm guess what guys I'm going Iron Maiden that's right I think it's a better shooter you know I think the rules are understandable I Green I hate the theme you guys know that yeah but overall I think it is a better pin now if you care about the looks of a pin the sound of a lot of Wizard of Oz by far the family-friendly nature of it Wizard of Oz but I'm here to tell you Iron Maiden is a better pinball machine that's right I'd go with enjoy ability and my enjoy ability on Iron Maiden this is this some people are gonna say no Zack wait a minute now your ratings don't make any sense because you got Iron Maiden so far below whisper falls but here's the thing guys know this or that is what do you want play anyone right now yeah for me Iron Maiden and again go back and look at the individual yeah yeah there was just a few things that brought it down again when we're not getting in all that on this one but Colin another nice one that's you're rocking the show man III I implore you all to try to figure out based on our likes and try to try to stop this this is fun yeah I like that we'll see if another one stumps us Daniel Donnell or Danelle Dan Donny I know Dan I met Dan really yeah double D I know Dan now we said any time you said man there's a pin Sai thread that said dialed in le or whitewater he said I know there's difference but how about this how about dialed in le or white water and shadow is that put [ __ ] about the same white water and shadow you're not even hesitated no two pins and those are two great pins yeah but what's the best pin of the bunch bro dowel pin okay so why is it so because they're really good pins do good pins whitewater is fun you know you like what last you know you love shadow that's the top three lunch up thoughts okay two fun pins that I can bounce back and forth to or one really great pen - really really - great pins or one great I'm gonna go the ballet Williams pair yes because I can really make those things shine look beautiful the only thing the only the the big deciding factor is that dialed in theme that's it why it's not for me I like the theme and the sound of a shadow and a white water more so than I do the I wouldn't I would have dialed in just I would holds me back because of that theme no but what's the best game out of all of them fouled in I agree I would have maybe if there would have been on me if it would have been too good pins and it would have been just kind of one kind of am whatever pin I would have probably maybe went with the one dial day but those are fantastic freaking games yes that was a good one Jeremy Tommy doll okay this is another good one he said I know you guys like Star Wars premium I'm seeing how much you guys are enjoying that but how about let's throw the tried and true in there we're gonna throw in Star Wars premium or spider-man vault or Star Trek premium Star Trek premium I know a lot of people really like that radar I do everything I'm not I like take it or leave it on that Ellie you're pro on me for that okay I'm gonna make it tougher because I know that this this you make it tough we're gonna to Star Trek Ellie yeah Star Trek Ellie or spider me in Vault I like that I'm changing Jeremy's thing or Star Wars premium now let's go the original first okay go for the roux because the guy might be having the struggle that's what we answer these for where Anson for the people or for us ransom for the people you only have in the struggle a struggle is real it is yeah we help you help the man with the struggle was that Godfather yeah I never heard of Marlon Brando sound like yeah but okay go ahead doesn't sound like much now Oh too soon so we're free means the right answer it's the best shooter of the bunch yeah that's right guess what what were the three Star Wars Star Trek and what what do I do this what was the third one spider-man bolt oh I agree experiment I love the spider-man God want a vault I want it so bad but every single person I've talked to says that it just gets old real fast and so I take that in consideration I still want to own it but I will not own it until I can Toad's better and store for to keep it you got then Star Trek yes yes I think it looks better it does look in the premium yes le no mmm nope nothing le at least most beautiful thing in the world Samus das did we answer that though yes Thomas dowse he said how about this deadpool premium now bear with me bear with me this is hypothetical because we've not played it pretty much bear with me I always said there's some bourgie some Last Action Hero Jurassic Park and Tales from the Crypt now III included this one because you've played those three pins yeah and regardless of how great Deadpool premium is would you take any chance you would take no Deadpool was the most fantastic with its how Walt those games are fun and I'll give me with that Tales from the Crypt I like that one percent taking those entities yes buzzers yes you know what the bad problem is those the price difference because you're only gonna probably pick up about two of those pins for the price of that Deadpool yeah you're close back over it's gonna be real close but you're over all right Steve Olufsen said there's even a one pin collection one pin collection is Addams Family Twilight Zone or Simpsons pinball party Simpson something breaks didn't go Simpsons pinball party because this is Greg hates Addams Family and Twilight Zone I love I love that I'm Santa but you can run throughout them family decently easy will you run through your mom oh I don't keep many many many times this man has hurt my feelings recorded too long no and twice yeah I played quite a bit and she kinda looks like a Uncle Fester too all right so this more like cousin it making fun of your old punches I don't cry uh-huh but I haven't I don't know Twilight Jones code real well okay do you yeah sure okay so then maybe but I like Simpsons man Simpsons is not it's a lot of depth to it but it's not as hard to understand is what I thought that it was gonna be realigned it is convoluted in love the way it is convoluted a lot of ways but it's but you still can understand it alien invasion still a task is still fun you get itchy and scratchy you can go you know it's sort of like to me it's like walking dead it's one of those things that where you can take a few different paths okay for different things like if you're just not feeling if you're not feeling doing this this day then it's almost like a few games we should we know it's not the prettiest pin of the bunch it's kind of pretty you don't think Simpsons is pretty know what's the prettiest one that bunch yeah yeah the other two I'm an same least gorgeous yeah obviously twice on it's pretty well it's pretty pin holds it on what are you going with in and I'm definitely going with the writing it's the writing interest Twilight Zone well that's what see I don't know you Twilight Zone just because it's beautiful pretty it's the only one that gets me lost in the zone Addams Family I hate you can put that on number five atoms so you go Simpson second yeah Simpsons second but you know what no Twilight Zone one two and three Simpsons 4 5 6 7 8 9 and then Addams Family 10 that's the right answer ok how you do how you know you'll like this one our resident troll DSN 18 awesome he says this is a good one Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or a bag of food found from a dumpster if I wasn't scared of germs I'd go with the bag food from a dumpster oh no team in g-load hi man I played that game on location a couple times getting teets pizza this and I I want it to be good every day that's why I still put a quarter in it to it every time I see it but I can't get into themes our wheelhouse and yeah I can't get into it can you no because it sucks like Back to the Future game so I try to find something about it that I joined I just don't I mean hey well you know what maybe dumpster dive I'm not gonna take the dumpster food I'll take the team in T but I will trade it gladly for most other pinball machine all right whatever centigram I'll take an e/m over that you didn't even own just for the nostalgia yeah you can't do yeah he brought it up cuz he said he owned it for 15 minutes and decided to sell it I don't blame you but there's a lot of guys that like team and T out there to convince themselves because it's when I when I haven't live up here recently I'm a podcast about Back to the Future being that should be burned cuz it's not a Back to the Future page I do love it people like it I don't know krile everybody Corral what's up we love krile they do what are you always call him Creole Creole Creole Creole shrimp he's always like did you see what Creole got okay this is a good one this one's a tough one but we're gonna be honest on this one one of this includes our sponsors sponsors going head-to-head with somebody pin stadium lights or color DMD weren't ready for this one where you grow yeah Edward C here we go into that biased [ __ ] again more we're not because Walton we're not because again like a what if I say color deemed II know but I know what you're gonna go with cuz I know what am I gonna go with you don't go with this thing less I know how much you for sure you love that you love your color DMVs too but I know how much you love pins day in life okay literally any game that comes through the door you've got a new set on them so it don't matter and almost put it on peyer's Simpsons is the first color DMD I've owned and I do love it I really like especially with it all I really want them to do it for leave the weapon I think the guy who did it for the pin to DMV I think it looks superb I think lost world I know the guy who who colors that man did a fantastic job on I do want one for that pin because I'm gonna keep it okay so what's the point I'm seeing though I I think they're nice but pin Sam lights make a way bigger difference with glare with just general lighting they're a little more fun to play with their interchange well that's interchangeable too but in price point like you know you're what are you 270 versus 450 I'm still more of a pin Stadium look at you yeah wow that's a pretty I'm not as crazy about Penn Stadium like you are I'm not that I'm not that wacko like you love them but you don't I yeah yeah welcome but I don't go crazy I think my answer is which one makes the bigger impact it's yeah definitely color DMD without a doubt yeah it is if you see the orange dots versus colored dots yeah but I mean come on it doesn't make an all-around general yeah that doesn't take away anything from the product that pin stadium lights is but come on the the bigger effect now which one which one every time you're playing again you're just sitting there staring at that color DMV that's the point when it comes to which one makes gameplay better not even close pin stadium lights okay that takes it out the glare you can actually see the beauty of the art of war that's the problem so which one would I go hmm oh I thought you already made your mind oh no I'm just how well that's why I was attacking you so harsh the difference is the bigger I think on the colored MD then here's the thing I'm gonna say pin same lines because because I made a good argument now I wouldn't even listen to be quite honest with you pin same lights because you know what you can put on a whirlwind not a colored DMD you know what you can put on a Wizard of Oz by Jersey Jack not a colored DMD because it's not needed instead him lights literally goes on everything and makes a it makes the most wide span impact polar deem D is need if you have a DMD here's the thing here's another difference if you have a DMD with the exception of Dracula and walking dead color DMD is needed on every single other DMD in my opinion pin stadium lights is not needed on every pinball machine now I prefer it on every one of them every single one of them what's the brightest pinball machine you can think of teeny I think you need it I do Deadpool pretty hard or ìitís I'm made in a dark in the middle yeah cards a galaxy dark and these are 2018 pins yeah all of them it looked good on my shadow too yeah city lights overall pin stadium lights no I can't say that I cannot say pin stadium lights no I can't I think I think there there are two different products and I would say that if I'm if I've got I'm just trying to put Twilight Zone let's say I get a Twilight Zone do I put pin stadium lights on or do I put color DMV on it on that probably pin stadium lights if I have a shadow probably pin stadium lights if I have a whitewater probably color deemed a so it's just gonna it's gonna depend man I don't know it's gonna depend how's a good one though oh that was a good one I'm not gonna sit here and say pin same lies just cuz a frickin sponsors don't give a [ __ ] I didn't say it was that I just gave them all right you rich before we go to our last we want to do a shout out to Gary in Australia Gary's son reached out to us hi Gary he has a had a birthday so happy birthday Gary happened i Gary yeah son said he's a big fan of ours so yeah figures say happy birthday party birthday we did last time we asked how many pins make a good collection remember that yeah and we fielded some response to that I did the kind of a composite for the most part most people answered three minimum yeah I agree and they were around three to seven five ish kind of being at a perfect collection Emily yeah a lot of people said you can't get enough a lot of people who said one or nothing but kind of what mark consensus what we were thinking like odd numbers go with an odd number near odd spaghetti and noodles a lot of people reached out to us and said absolutely spaghetti noodles in Chile oh yeah that was yeah you saw I was just gonna talk about spaghetti we competing like you know it's better than the penne pasta no yeah no they said yeah it's one set it might be an Indiana thing yeah cuz he's from Indiana same thing one city as a German mother same thing yes that's what I said it's got I think it's coming from a German I think it's like a German thing yeah which is yeah love you just thought okay all right in the last to close us out that I haven't run by you yet and you'll probably make the cut Henry K one two three wants to know boxers or briefs that's still a debate strangle your or what I'm run free well a lot of messy free let them run free until you're 70 and then you're gonna wish you didn't why cuz be nice we can't talk about this out here kid well how did you bring it up no because I wasn't gonna talk about who's gonna take about the comfort level of undergarments that's all it supports here that's where you're going no support you would be briefs yeah I don't want to support money okay boxer briefs oh good it's a hybrid that's the hot dog that's just the underwear thinking that they're not old house fans I mean I think they ride down the legs and Hazel restrictive - I haven't wore underwear you know we've got a bunch of our viewers and like them right now my grandpa that's what he never wore the tighty whiteys like he were the colored ones like the color I was they were they were the rule brief but like you were always rule is some out of like let me help you even by those that do that smuggling in there there's nothing going on there my dad my dad what was it back in the 80s that men thought it was acceptable just to walk around the house and loose no I boxers looks like you're going on the summer stroll but I know underwear yeah you go outside in your boxers sort of it is except what is the flat for pulling down but it's like it's like a two-flap system like were you really gonna go all the way well because if you don't have a two-flap system there's gonna be something that's gonna come out the door that's what happens on boxers it's just get the one slap one the flap no cuz it's the overlaps yeah yeah but it's similar to the no it's the realistic garment the girl yeah but Ray Allen strucked it I don't get it I don't engineer every went through that way no no it's like you're going around man you let go it's like until next week you can check out twitch for Chuck work as well if this dirty scoundrel ever figures out that he wants to stream again we need to get you a new pin don't we yeah for when it's a stream to show these people recent Sam we need to get you one well now have it stream star wars much I mean a lot of mysteries out don't you be too dozens to kind of maxed out Simpsons yeah streaming Deadpool or something yeah maybe I play mine put it over here or something I doubt that he's told me that for like the last year he's like yeah I'm good you this all along you a peanut stream and everything else happening now Facebook check us out on Facebook YouTube yep we're getting close to 2000 some should be there by now probably no I'm probably not won't wall yeah friggin who day probably subscribe half of these people after hearing about that boxers and briefs as additional check us out at Expo Expo Expo Expo here's the thing guys Chicago Expo is gonna be big again I feel it are new to you know I think so new management this you know like it's it's gonna be good you know they've got new players I know that but but a they got rid of those those umpires have still been and they've they've been in the game the out really old enough that didn't work they're starting new stuff you guys I've been here I've been I'm all up in some mr. Burke about some of the behind the scenes things this is gonna be a good one I'm optimistic got to come to Chicago Expo mid-october check for the days maybe I'll list them here but come see our seminar we're doing a seminar with this week in pinball's Jeff yes talking about some twigs talking about straight down the middle show yes talking about his website there'd be a lot of fun as well so come hang out with us check us out at the pin Stadium booth now booth you're the ping graphics booth or the Marco booth we will be fishing I'll be there yeah so I'll be representing my Marco sure yeah that's the word Marco sir I wear my Marco shirts a lot I love either - oh so nice and let all of our sponsors know when you purchase products through them they're no SDTM shirt but they're still pretty nice shirts they are not an SDT I'm sure check out our new shirts are gonna be coming as well at Expo we're in the designing we're doing our own Expo reveal it's the only thing we can reveal I know because it certainly isn't gonna be one of the boxers or briefs reveal hey what if you catch me in a pair of boxers and we need to give you I'm sure we need to get you back your briefs we need to get you to have Jorge Gomez signed your chest I will have Jorge sign my body somewhere somewhere if an anonymous donor will give us $1,000 Greg will have that signature then tattooed permanently I will honor his body I will $1,000 at the price oh you wouldn't for a thousand bucks no I'm not having Jorge Gomez tattooed on my body for a thousand bucks on your rump cheek now as you see if Stern gives me a new pro all that - Jorge Gomez on my ass what about his face that's free advertisement no does nobody else see it hey ya know how much I got that cheek countless truth this this episode went to [ __ ] real fast really did and it all started with your no you're the one see you later guys [Music] the slingshot you roll an a/c outlet dog hmm I don't hate you at all at least we're still better if we literally had like a solid eight hours of filming no I could do it well I just can't do it I can't do it after two hours but we will we won't way with like one episode filmed in four hours and it's all your fault okay everything's always x-ray everybody loves a Greg you wonder why I look different than you on camera look at them come on now bye though albino in the bone that's what we need change or help I know in the bio bio in the bow that's not very sensitive to the Alpine oh go to the community I don't think they have a culture they have a community culture is it identifies out by now American albino it's so bad how many do you think we have any uh albino viewers I don't know I've only actually like in person known like one albino person yeah is that sensitive to say I'll buy no person it's probably like a medical term skin to stay white us or something how many I'm sure it's us in general skin to stay why this