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The Pinball Show Ep 68: Will Halloween Kill Or Thrill & Harry Potter And The Book Of Botched Concepts

The Pinball Show·podcast_episode·1h 11m·analyzed·Jul 19, 2021
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TL;DR

Halloween/Ultraman hype vs. skepticism; Harry Potter licensing debate dominates episode.

Summary

The Pinball Show episode 68 features discussion of Spooky's upcoming Halloween and Ultraman machines, speculation about Harry Potter pinball licensing, and analysis of game design philosophy. Hosts debate whether Halloween will succeed commercially, discuss Spooky's decision not to create a luxury LE edition, and argue extensively about Harry Potter book vs. movie licensing constraints.

Key Claims

  • Spooky has no interest in creating a luxury super limited edition for Halloween/Ultraman due to the work required and existing profit margins

    high confidence · Direct statement from Luke/Mr. Squirrel in Spooky interview segment: 'this is a bunch of work why would they bother because of that money they're already making plenty of money'

  • Ultraman was originally the secured theme and Halloween was a re-theme of that layout

    high confidence · Luke stated 'Ultraman was actually kind of the original idea and halloween was the re-theme' and 'Ultraman was secured first'

  • Halloween machine likely still has code work in progress, based on limited code discussion and no highlighting of specific coders

    medium confidence · Host speculation: 'it felt to me...that part of not showing this game is because maybe there's still some work to be done on that code' and 'code-wise, there wasn't much spoken about Bowen'

  • Harry Potter pinball licensing is contingent on the creator (J.K. Rowling) and her reluctance to have children playing in bars where pinball machines are located

    medium confidence · Host: 'my understanding is that the creator is the obstacle to this all happening' and discussion of Rowling's stance on children in bar settings

  • Dwight Sullivan is a deep Harry Potter book-focused nerd who would fight to code it based on books rather than movies

    medium confidence · Host reporting on Freeplay Pinball Podcast interview: 'Dwight Sullivan is such a deep Harry Potter nerd that he would likely get the code because he would fight someone if he didn't...he was saying, no, not off the movies. We need to do it off the books.'

Notable Quotes

  • “I came back and I said, I'm still going to be me...but I'm not going to personally attack people. I don't need to do that.”

    Host (introducing Canadian Pinball Podcast philosophy) @ Opening segment — Sets tone for show independence and editorial approach; references past community controversy

  • “It is a vote for someone who's independent, who's not part of a group of people. There's no groupthink here.”

    Host @ Opening segment — Emphasizes show's positioning in podcast ecosystem

  • “this is a bunch of work why would they bother because of that money they're already making plenty of money”

    Luke (Spooky Pinball) @ Spooky update segment — Direct explanation for Spooky's LE strategy; reveals manufacturing/profit priorities

  • “If you were to buy one of these models, which one would you buy? The cheap one.”

    Dennis @ Halloween discussion — Reveals skepticism about Pro/Premium/LE differentiation; suggests limited value proposition

  • “No one got to see it play. It's sold out. They've got all those nonrefundable deposits, so they win regardless.”

    Host @ Halloween sales discussion — Cynical assessment of Spooky's market position despite gameplay unknowns

  • “The pinball network at gmail.com...you open up evil dead 2 and ash takes this chick back to the same house like why is he taking her to the same house that he nearly died in the time before”

    Host @ Evil Dead 2 discussion — Digression into film criticism; host questions narrative logic of horror classics

  • “I'm tired of hearing she doesn't want money talks. I'm tired of people who think that rich people always just need more money.”

    Dennis @ Harry Potter licensing debate — Philosophical stance on J.K. Rowling's motivations; argues against 'money solves everything' assumption

  • “If there's a casino slot machine of Harry Potter...That story is bullshit. Casino slot machines aren't played by children.”

Entities

Luke / Mr. Squirrel / SoftypersonSpooky PinballcompanyHalloweengameUltramangameDwight SullivanpersonJ.K. RowlingpersonThe Mandaloriangame

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Guns N' Roses experiencing secondary market saturation with 27 units listed on Pinside since May (8 CE at $17-22k, 19 LE at $10-12k); unclear if due to playfield issues, Stern/Spooky competition, or profit-taking

    medium · Ken Rudberg: '8 collector's editions since May on Pinside listed between $17,000 and $22,500 as well as 19 LEs listed between $10,000 and $12,000'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Host concerns about potential horror-themed machine from competitor based on subtle laughter during discussion about 'untapped market of the horror collector'

    low · Host: 'I think sounds like to me that they're aware of a horror-based title being worked on maybe or secured by a competitor...I think sounds like to me they're chuckling when I asked about this race'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Halloween's playfield architecture (4 main holes feeding to subway, stacked upper playfields) criticized for limiting shot selection and creating wait-time 'flow' issues despite marketing as 'flow game'

    high · Host: 'When you put four holes on a main play field that lead to a subway, flow isn't the first thing that comes to mind...if you're sitting there waiting 15 seconds for the ball to come back to you, is that really flow?'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Dwight Sullivan advocates for Harry Potter pinball based on books rather than films to avoid actor licensing complications and appeal to 'true fans'

    medium · Host reporting: 'he was saying, no, not off the movies. We need to do it off the books' and Dwight's position that 'that's where the true fans are, that's where winners are'

  • ?

Transcript

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Warning, the following episode contains adult language and screaming goats. Listener discretion is advised.
0:12
The Pinball Network is online. Launching The Pinball Show. On episode 68 of The Pinball Show, Dennis and I announce some winners and we talk about some losers. Dennis isn't singing in the rain but he does know how to whisper to deers we have a spooky discussion a Harry Potter argument we talk Russian timekeepers and I set fire to all of the shitty mods out there thanks for tuning in but I must break you pinball is a game of skill for some it's a passion and a lifestyle it's time for the pinball show it's pinball with personality it's been an amazing journey doing Canadian Pinball Podcast. The last 100 episodes have been the most favorite I've ever done. Wrong. Because a year ago, people tried to get this show canceled. And I took three months off and I came back and I said, I'm still going to be me. I'm still going to do Canadian Pinball Podcast, but I'm not going to personally attack people. I don't need to do that. Wrong. I'm going to give you my opinions about all of these companies with no agenda. Wrong. I have no sponsors, nobody in my back pocket wrong first and foremost i want to thank each and every one of you you are the reason why i do this show wrong 125 of you right now contribute on patreon with no agenda and about another 20 or so on paypal with no agenda i have merchandise coming out that you're gonna love with no agenda and my contributors are going to get early access to all of the canada merchandise but for the rest of you out there you're gonna love the new stuff coming because I want you guys to be able to wear and show how proud you are to be a fan of Canadian Pinball Podcast. So look out for that. With no agenda. And then once a year, everyone gets a chance to vote for who their favorite show is. And it's because of all of you that four years in a row, you've put Canadian Pinball Podcast on the top of the pinball podcast list as the favorite pinball podcast. With no agenda. And that is why winning every year means so much to me. It is why your continued support means so much to me. Because it basically is not a vote for some cheap little trophy. It's a vote for us being able to say how we really feel.

Host @ Harry Potter licensing debate — Points out logical inconsistency in licensing argument; casino slots aren't age-restricted

  • “These guys were with you...Killer Clowns from outer space”

    Dennis @ Horror theme discussion — Hints at possible competitor horror-themed machine in development (speculation)

    • Led Zeppelin
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    Guns N' Rosesgame
    Stern Pinballcompany
    Jersey Jack Pinballcompany
    Dennisperson
    Ken Rudbergperson
    Craig Bobbyperson
    Amanda Hamiltonperson
    Ian Hobsonperson
    Tom Sakitiperson
    Patrick Odenwellerperson
    Whitewatergame

    licensing_signal: Harry Potter pinball remains unlicensed due to creator's opposition to children accessing pinball machines in bar environments; money may not override ideological stance

    medium · Hosts debate licensing obstacles: 'she don't want kids going to bars to play pinball, and that's where pinball machines are' vs. contradiction that casino slots exist

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    market_signal: Guns N' Roses collector machines selling below original pricing ($17-22k for $25k+ original LE), suggesting secondary market weakness or opportunity for upgrades

    medium · Ken Rudberg analysis of Pinside listings and secondary market resale patterns

  • ?

    announcement: Stern released Mandalorian code V.97 and Led Zeppelin V.1.04 with game enhancements, polish, adjustments, and bug fixes

    high · Craig Bobby: 'Stern Pinball has posted new Mandalorian code V.97 as well as Led Zeppelin's code V.1.04 for the Pro, Premium, and Limited Edition models'

  • ?

    product_concern: Code development for Halloween potentially incomplete, with limited public discussion of coding team and no gameplay demonstration despite sales

    medium · Host: 'part of not showing this game is because maybe there's still some work to be done on that code...code-wise, there wasn't much spoken about Bowen'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Stern speculation includes Godzilla (Keith Elwin), Rush (John Borg), or online game connectivity announcement; no confirmation but positioned as next possible announcements

    low · Craig Bobby: 'Will Keith Elwin's much-rumored Godzilla be up next for Stern in September? Or will John Borg get the tap next with his rumored Rush music pin?'

  • ?

    business_signal: Spooky explicitly rejecting luxury super limited edition strategy due to production burden and existing profit satisfaction; manufacturing capacity/willingness constraint identified

    high · Luke: 'this is a bunch of work why would they bother because of that money they're already making plenty of money'

    • 2:37
    It's a vote for someone who's independent, who's not part of a group of people. There's no groupthink here. There's nobody handing me interview questions. But I'm not going to personally attack people. I don't need to do that. But I'm not going to personally attack people. I don't need to do that. Ugh, yeah. I'm already tired of hearing that as well.
    3:05
    Welcome back, everybody. Thanks for hanging out with us at the Pinball Show, episode 68. What are you laughing about now? What did I do?
    3:13
    I'm John. What did I do? Nothing. It's always great to be back. I love starting a show with Dennis chuckling in the background at something that I'm unaware of. But, Dennis, this California Dew was just a little heavier than usual tonight. How are you, my friend? I am fine. Do you know that reference at all? I do not.
    3:35
    Listener, did you hear that? I got him. Is it from Croods 2? No, it's not from Croods 2. It's from this. I'm singing in the rain. Just singing in the rain. Yeah, Dennis, it's from Singing in the Rain, little Gene Kelly there. This last week you were taking a walk and didn't check the weather and you were poured on by God's tears.
    4:05
    Yeah, well, I mean, it was cloudy out, but I just thought, eh, it's always cloudy around here. I misinterpreted. I thought you were sweating. It was sweat. Yeah, well, I'm sure many people made the same mistake as you. Really? Because I'm the only one you made fun of? No, no one would have made that mistake. It was so obvious. No one would sweat that much and survive. Really? I thought you were a sweater.
    4:27
    Drippy. I was thinking to myself, man, I would have loved for Dennis in Kansas walking down the street and actually singing in the rain, twirling around the lampposts to tap dancing in the street and splashing up in the puddles. Do you ever see yourself doing that? No, I do not. Instead, what we probably got If we had just a little window Into the world of Dennis As it starts to rain Is this Was that more accurate there, Dennis?
    5:09
    I don't think I thought of any music There was no song involved my headphones i hadn't charged my bluetooth headphones so i already didn't have any music so it was go everything was just going swell where were you headed i was just walking in a like a in a grid in a circuit in a grid yeah i was like fucking matrix i well not that grittish but like i didn't i wasn't gonna backtrack so i was no backtracking well yeah so think of it as you know like a like a circuit like a race so i was going down a bike path area and then eventually i veered off onto some sidewalks to get back home the route i was going that's at that point was when the rain started and it was just a drizzle and i'm like no big deal and then it was more than a drizzle i thought okay this is a problem uh so we are well we'll pick up the pace but the route I had decided I was going to go, the sidewalk was out. It said sidewalk closed. Now, I knew there was a section closed because I had seen it earlier last week. So I thought, okay, well, I'll just go off the sidewalk for that part where they're working on the sidewalk. No big deal. It was blocks and blocks. It was all the way to the street I live on. It was the whole thing. And they just had repeated chunks of sidewalk missing. So there were these huge mud pits full of water chunks of side and so i was having to go off road to get around those you're a street walker well i would have done the street except that's where the cars are so and they were working on the curbs in the same section so i couldn't walk i couldn't walk on the curb it would have been in the middle of the road were there any deaf individuals driving at the time well i don't know how well they could hear but there were individuals driving and it was heavy rain so I was like and and I hear out there in a blue shirt and black shorts I'm not gonna walk in the in the road it's too easy to get hit so I walked up on the on the easements where I could and one of them was sloped and so I rolled my ankle trying to get past one of the get past one of the missing sidewalk sections and I finally got home and I was like I'm wet $20 says you were wearing new balances. Nope, Nikes. Damn. Got it wrong. I would have loved for you at the point that there was no sidewalk and go all in and just take a dead sprint on the road as if you were a car.
    7:38
    And then put your hand up to turn signal and shit. I was just thinking of when we could start saying Zoom. Just sprint, man. People would have been like, oh, there's Dennis. After I rolled my ankle, I wasn't going to, so.
    7:51
    If I was there, I would have picked you up like an old war flick. Rain soaking down on us and nom. And I had black marks under my eyes and I'd be like, no man left behind. I'd just pick you up, throw you over my shoulder, slap your ass, and I would take off.
    8:06
    Yeah, because you project strength so much that I think that this would just be easy for you. And then on your journey home, you started, I didn't know you had the talent of being a deer whisperer. You started whispering to deer frolicking in the forest. They do frolic sometimes. Was it a doe? A buck? It was. It was a doe. Oh.
    8:30
    A female deer? Mm-hmm. Do you know? I knew it. Oh, I knew it. How close did you get to the deer? Pretty close. I mean, it started walking up to it. It knew I was there. I had made noise. Once I saw it, I made noise on purpose. And then it looked at me. Why did you make noise? Just started to walk up. Did you get scared?
    8:52
    No, I didn't want it to get spooked. Oh, but making a brand of noise isn't going to spook it? I made like a pleasant noise. I'd love to hear what a pleasant noise sounds like. It sounds like a soothing, happy noise. Hey.
    9:09
    Did you try to mimic like a bird or something? I don't remember what sound I did. Did you clear your throat? No, no. My sidewalk, bitch.
    9:21
    No? If that deer would have darted at you, would you have fought it? We've talked about this before.
    9:29
    Well, this one didn't have antlers, maybe. Okay. Because those antlers are dangerous. Well, they got the hooves they'll get up on. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'd probably lose. Do they have hooves? I thought. Which one do you think would be meaner, a bobcat or a doe?
    9:45
    Probably a bobcat. Dough's got girth, though. Yeah, I'd punch a dough in the face. Yeah, you seem like the sort. Yeah, bring it. Pelicans are majestic creatures. Big-ass things. Did a pelican scoop up your youngest and try and fly off? No, but they were feeding it fish on the fishing trip that we took, and one got pretty close. My fists clenched because I was ready, prepared for combat. I'll punch a pelican. I will fight an animal. Squirrel, I'll fuck it up. At least flying animals. It's time for TPN Industry News.
    10:26
    Hello and welcome to the Pinball Show Stern News Update. I'm Craig Bobby. While Dwight Sullivan was making the rounds again this week to promote his recent efforts in the coding of The Mandalorian, this time appearing as a guest on the Freeplay Pinball Podcast with Amanda Hamilton and Bill Webb, Dwight talks about his own origin story in pinball from his early days of being fascinated by pinball as a child to later realizing his calling to work in the industry after playing the classic Williams high speed, where his love for the hobby and ultimately his career was born. During the interview, Amanda and Dwight also brainstormed for fun on what should go into a potential Harry Potter pinball machine, which is a dream steam and must buy for so many enthusiasts. And speaking of dreaming, as the summer marches on and the production line at Stern is cranking on all cylinders, one can't help but turn one's pinball attention to the future and dream on on what could be next for Stern Pinball. Will Keith Elwin's much-rumored Godzilla be up next for Stern in September? Or will John Borg get the tap next with his rumored Rush music pin? Or will the Jedi Master himself, George Gomez, surprise everybody by finally announcing the release of online game connectivity for Stern's entire modern game catalog? Ooh, so many possibilities. But we shall have to wait and see. And in case you didn't see this week, the coders at Stern are back from their brief early summer hiatus with new code! Stern Pinball has posted new Mandalorian code V.97 as well as Led Zeppelin's code V.1.04 for the Pro, Premium, and Limited Edition models. Both codes contain game enhancements, additional polish, game adjustments, and bug fixes. Well, that's all for this week for the Pinball Show. I'm Craig Bobby. Catch you on the flip side.
    12:23
    Hi, this is Ken Rudberg with your Jersey Jack update. This last week, Jersey Jack released the official Guns N' Roses inner art blades, which are now available for pre-order from distributors. They go for $129 and feature the art similar to the limited edition version of Guns N' Roses with multiple tour posters with a brick wall background. As I mentioned, those are available for pre-order now for shipping in September. recently there have been a lot of Guns N' Roses machines selling on Pinside I counted 8 collector's editions since May on Pinside listed between $17,000 and $22,500 as well as 19 LEs listed between $10,000 and $12,000 it's hard to tell if this is due to playfield issues that some have been having if it's the continuous supply of new games from Stern, Spooky, and others or if it's a take the money and run attitude Whatever the reason, it's allowing some Guns N' Roses buyers to cut the line and pick up a machine sooner than they otherwise would have been able to. For the Pinball Show, this has been Ken Rudberg.
    13:35
    Thank you, correspondents. We appreciate that coverage. I thought, Dennis, before we jump into some news, what little there is this week, we need to announce the giveaway, the Spooky Pinball Swag Mystery Box giveaway that we did last week. Yeah, you set up a giveaway last week. Yeah, wasn't that nice? It was pretty kind. A lot of people share. A lot of interesting things that people are looking most forward to on Spooky's next release of Halloween and Ultraman. But the giveaway winners randomly selected are... Remember, there's three of them. We've got winner number one, Ian Hobson. Ian Hobson, congratulations. Nicely done. Winner number two, Tom, I'm going to botch your name, Sakiti.
    14:20
    Sakiti. C-E-C-K-I-T-T-I. Number three winner, Patrick Odenweller. Pat, congrats. You got a spooky swag box. Mystery box. I don't even know what it is. What's in it? I don't know. Because it's a mystery? We're in discussion with them right now. Is this a box for ants? So congratulations, everybody. Thank you all for participating and sharing that last episode link. What do you think, Dennis? This is my interview. This is like the first interview I'd ever done. Was it? I didn't know if you'd done interviews before, like on Straight Down the Middle or anything. I don't think so.
    15:03
    Well, the feedback was extremely positive. By and large, they loved it. They may want you to be a permanent interviewer. Numbers don't lie. You may be the 60 minutes of pinball. 59 and a half minutes. Barbara Watto's? Well, if you want to be the Barbara Walters of pinball, you have to get to the point where you make the interviewee cry every time. You know what? I was thinking about that, and I saw a couple windows open up for Charlie, and I was like, push a little bit, push a little. Can I get a tear, Char? Come on. Maybe I will be that person. Given your training, you should be able to do it. Got to have tears. Sweep, sweep. So tell me about every person you've cared about that's dead.
    15:47
    that's how I like to open the interview for some coverage and perspective on these games you can listen to the Eclectic Gamers podcast well your YouTube watch series isn't going to have anything about Spooky Company YouTube watch series is doing quite well thank you what's your next tease for the next watch there will be a review of a Russian watch oh Dosvidanya what does company name give me one thing company name is Vostok. Vostok. Vostok, which is Russian for east. That's right. Smell of vodka and slap you if you not till time, right? Diplomatic immunity. Oh, wait, that's South Africa. Never mind.
    16:31
    A little lethal weapon, too, there. I found it interesting that it sounds like spooky Lukey just runs shit over his spooky pinball. Did you get that at all? Yeah, it sounds like everything basically is under the control of, what did you call him, Mr. Squirrel or something? Yeah, Mr. Squirrel. Or Softy. He's a deer lover, you know. I thought that's where you got your picture from. You were honing your Luke. Yeah, I didn't pee on the deer, though. Yeah, Luke doesn't like to be pissed on, so that's a thing. I found him intriguing, and I think we're going to be hearing from him a lot more. He was kind of nervous to be on the show, but blossomed quite well, if I don't say so myself. I asked him when we were going to see the game played. He said soon. Who knows? It's not needed though right dennis we don't need to see the gameplay they already sold them they already sold them so yeah i mean i guess not i find it disappointing but we also learned that there's no desire for a luxury super limited edition anytime soon from spooky pinball yeah this is a bunch of work why would they bother because of that money they're already making plenty of money i found it interesting that ultraman was actually kind of the original idea and halloween was the re-theme. I wasn't clear of that. It's just that Ultraman was secured first but that doesn mean that they started the whole layout with just Ultraman There no John Wick That would be an interesting one I have to re I haven't seen the third John Wick. John Wick's cool. I just don't think it's strong enough. I don't think it's aged enough. It needs a little bit more age to see the full. Stern does new stuff. Mandalorian is younger than John Wick.
    18:13
    That argument doesn't make any sense to me, Zach. Take that argument back. Your argument doesn't make sense because Star Wars in and of itself is a bit different than John Wick. You know that it's different. Star Wars is Star Wars. It comes with the nostalgia. Sure, but I mean this is all like Walking Dead came out when Walking Dead was like what, season three or four? It's new stuff. Younger than John Wick was. If you wanted to pull the John Wick trigger, I think that would have been two years ago. That's all I'm saying. Too late now. gotta see if it turns into a cult classic or wait for the fourth movie window is closed it's like doing a freaking fast and furious it's about family they were really pushing the design of this game that was like the highlight they wanted to keep pushing I felt it man this game shoots well man this is fun to shoot man this has got a lot in it what were your thoughts it would help if I could have seen it what were your thoughts after seeing the teaser video and seeing the pics I'm skeptical that it's as flowy as they've advertised but it looks interesting, I'll give them that it looks unique I just feel like, I mean it might I don't know with the two playable upper play fields and such it just seems like the shot selection is so limited I'm not sure this game actually has all that many shots I agree, I agree there but by doing it that way, it may still actually be relatively flowy if you make what few shots you were given So I could see where they're right, but also that this might actually be more restrictive than what we're used to in terms of what we get in a playfield experience. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just we'll just have to see how people react. But again, in a way, the whole thing is moot. No one got to see it play. It's sold out. They've got all those nonrefundable deposits, so they win regardless. Yeah, and you put up a good point. Whitewater feels like there's a lot going on, but there's two shots up top. No, that's part of the reason why I'm not a huge... I don't dislike Whitewater, but I don't love it. Because I don't think there's much to do with it. Maybe it's old. I still want one. Yeah, that's because you like the topper. There's got to be one out there. I have a hard time as well thinking that it's going to be a flow game. When you put four holes on a main play field that lead to a subway,
    20:31
    flow isn't the first thing that comes to mind. Or an upper play field that feeds into another upper play field that you can't play on.
    20:39
    Yeah. That too. Because each play field essentially has... You'll be sitting and waiting. My point is, even if the ball is in motion, if you're sitting there waiting 15 seconds for the ball to come back to you, is that really flow? Yeah. I mean, the upper, upper play field has one shot. It's a cool double spinner, loopy shot, figure eight, but it's one shot, right? And it might feel really... And that's what it's going to come down to for most people, I think, is will it feel really good? Is it satisfying to make that shot? Why am I so excited about this game? you're excited about all new pinball that's true touche you're right i remember when you sang the praises of thunderbirds as if it was yesterday when in the hell did i i didn't that's one to let the record show i did not do that i don't know you're all probably that episode where you're like well you know what we really we need some convex pinball buttons flipper buttons should be convex It's not concave.
    21:37
    Just like I like my nipples. It felt to me, Dennis, after I was speaking with the crew over there, that part of not showing this game is because maybe there's still some work to be done on that code. Did you get that impression at all? Sure. I mean, yeah, I could see it that way. We do know that, and this is another odd perplexing kind of thing, code-wise, there wasn't much spoken about Bowen. We know that he is helping. Okay. but it wasn't showcased, highlighted. Eric Pripke? Not really hearing much about an Eric Pripke. You hear about Phasma and Bug. Are you worried about the code of Halloween and Ultraman?
    22:17
    I'm not worried, per se, but I don't really have anything in the way of expectations either. Did you listen to the spoiler alert after? That sounded cool. That wizard mode with the balcony thing. Oh, yes. Yeah, I did. I did listen to that. Yeah, that's awesome. I think that's why I'm excited, because this is unique. It is a theme I like. It looks really beautiful. And there are staging opportunities. And Bug was really hitting on, he feels like a moments kind of guy. You don't see him in all these tournaments or anything. So that's what excites me. If you were to buy one of these models, which one would you buy? The cheap one.
    22:59
    You sure your favorite ice cream isn't vanilla? I'm pretty sure. It sounded to me also, listener, that they were chuckling when I asked about this race for the untapped market of the horror collector. I think it sounds like to me that they're aware of a horror-based title being worked on maybe or secured by a competitor. Hmm.
    23:20
    Maybe I'm reading into that too much. I didn't get that read, but you are highly trained in the realms of the human mind. Oh, okay. You might have a psychological bead on this and were able to pick up on subtleties that a plebe like me couldn't detect. I just wish you were sincere there because that would be such a flattering compliment. What, that was? True. That sounded pretty sincere, didn't it? Yeah, but you're so dry that it can come out as like, oh, Dennis. How could it? This asshole thinks I'm being for real. That's weird. I guess you'll just have to wait and see. We're going to have to wait and see for killer clowns from outer space. Those guys were with you. Okay, I don't get it. They've spoken about Killer Clowns before. Of course they were with me. Have you seen that one? Have you seen that film? When I was a young kid. Okay, there are a lot of set pieces in it that if you're talking about looking at a Halloween or an Ultraman and what they're doing with the play field, in a way, I think Killer Clowns would be easier than either of those two. So just from a how to integrate it well into a glass, it's better than Halloween or Ultraman. It's just from people in cotton candy cocoons to chiefs of police being used as hand puppets to big top circus-looking tents that are actually UFOs to pies that are made out of acid. There are just so many weird things. You're really a fan of that film, aren't you? Well, I've seen it a number of times, yeah. So it's just there's now as a concept, I would say it's probably well, it's easily a less recognizable, less popular pick than Halloween. I would argue it's probably stronger or better known than Ultraman, but I'm probably wrong on that. I just don't know Ultraman myself. So I think there's a bias there. I think in the States, yeah, it's just it's it's one of those campy cult classics. But just the way that it works, there's so much that's iconic about it. You want to know an even better film that would do that? Mm-hmm. Evil Dead. No, Army of Darkness would be even better because it's got even more iconic things from the film that people can remember. I'd kind of argue that point. Picture a pinball machine that is the interior of that house, from that cellar door in the floor to the deer to the – I know deer was mostly in Evil Dead too. But all of that stuff, all of the windows, all of it. It's not that Evil Dead wouldn't work, but Army of Darkness, you have the shopping center scene at the start. You've got the boomstick arm hand thing with a chainsaw in one arm, the shotgun. That came from the second one. You've got the Necronomicon going on. You've got the evil clone version of the screwed up magic. You've got the skeletons. It's got more iconic imagery. This last week, Dennis, I did watch Halloween 2. Followed up, I watched Halloween 1 not too long ago. But Halloween 2 isn't really used in this, is it? No. That's what it sounded like. They had some stuff they wanted from it, but the licensing is too complicated. I'm glad they didn't. After going back and watching Halloween 2 again, just eh. Halloween 2's one thing is that they upped the gore factor. That's pretty much it. The gores and the kills are more frequent. Yeah. I love that they continued the story. I thought that was fun the same night. And then I also watched Evil Dead 2. Haven't seen that, oh my gosh, in so many years. Yeah, well, Evil Dead 2 is not up for discussion. Because you ruled it out in the interview. I don't think it was that great. And Charlie, that was the one time he showed full emotion. He sounded shocked. I don't know why people just rave on that. He sounded shocked. It's been so long since I've seen it, I can't tell you. Here's my one question, listener out there. The pinball network at gmail.com. you open up evil dead 2 and ash takes this chick back to the same house like why is he taking her to the same house that he nearly died in the time before i that that just threw me for a loop i don't remember as a kid when i watched it but i'm like what the why is he here again and then he's so surprised that his girl dies in the first five minutes like so dumb so stupid you know i they're going to do creepy weird house and you you gotta get them you gotta get them sales i just do cabin in the woods at that point and more contemporary not as yep it's it that's a good movie but i don't think it's like oh the monsters are so cool in it so cool talk about cool monsters have you seen uh the tomorrow war or whatever that was called no i haven't seen that yet it's a damn fun movie yeah i have a crush on chris pratt but besides that it's a fun place same character and everything Because he's awesome. That stud shouldn't change anything. That movie is a lot of fun, and Greg Bone and I were talking about it. Kudos to them for the development of their alien monsters, because a lot of these movies, they kind of half-ass it. No, they did really well on this one. Well, did Greg really like it? Because I didn't see him go out and buy a Jeep from that movie. Yeah, I know. Man, I'm jealous of that Jeep. Dwight Sullivan would probably know. He joined the Freeplay Pinball Podcast exclusively here on the Pinball Network. They were geeking out over Harry Potter over there. Yes, I heard that. I think Jeff Patterson had a hard-on the whole time. Is that too much? Can you say hard-on on the air here?
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    Erection? Is that too faux pas? Can we talk about boners here on the show? I don't know. We try not to. Okay. It's the boner-free zone.
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    Luke, where you at, softy? You see it all comes back. they were geeking out about what a Harry Potter pinball machine could be. Amanda Hamilton, the host, is a big Harry Potter nerd, just like Dwight Sullivan. Lots of people are. It's never happening, though, so I don't see the point in such intellectual exercises. No, it's happening. It will happen. I was defeated a little bit hearing that Dwight Sullivan is such a deep Harry Potter nerd that he would likely get the code because he would fight someone if he didn't. But he was saying, no, not off the movies. We need to do it off the books. The fuck is that? Off the books. That's where the true fans are, Zach. That's where winners are. Forget the true fans. This is pinball. No, it doesn't matter. The books, that's what people want. I've never read the books, but it doesn't matter. You never go against the book versus the movie. Not if you're a true believer. Not if you don't want to sell pinball machines, I guess. Yeah, come on. They're going to sell no matter what. The same talk happened with Deadpool, and it did just fine. Bullshit. Deadpool ain't anything like Harry Potter. That's apples to oranges. Exactly. There were kids that had those books put into them via IV. Those books moved mountains. There were t-shirts telling you when Dumbledore died and on what page. That's how iconic those books were. This is how I know that I'm right. Waste all the breath you want. I'm not wasting breath. If you've read those books. I'm being efficient. Then watch the film series. then read the books again, because that's what these Harry Potter nerds do, there's no way you don't visualize Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter. No way. Well, you have to factor in also that Dwight might be considering, beyond his fandom for the books, about the licensing challenges that may increase the more and more characters that you're trying to tie to actual actors. Now, that makes more sense. But it's a factor that it may be easier to get. Look, my understanding is that the creator is the obstacle to this all happening. It is all moot regardless. And again, that's why I do my little sigh thing. And I'm like, why are we still talking about stuff that doesn't happen? She's not in control of everything. Money talks. I'm tired of hearing she doesn't want money talks. I'm tired of people who think that rich people always just need more money. And then that they bend on whatever weird stances they've taken when they already have millions upon millions of dollars. Because it's bullshit if there's a casino slot machine of Harry Potter. That story is bullshit. Casino slot machines aren't played by children. So dumb. That's my understanding of the argument, Zach, is that she don't want kids going to bars to play pinball, and that's where pinball machines are. Therefore, you lose, and pinball ain't going to make her nearly the money that slot machines make. She stops her busy-ass day and says, wait a minute. Did I see a request for a pinball machine? We will have none of this. Stop the presses. Maybe. I don't know. She doesn't like how the Beatles, the thing about how they get together once a year and they go through all those requests.
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    Well, not the dead ones. I don't believe the rest. The dead ones probably don't care because they're dead. Oh, man. Yeah, it'll happen. And this is a strong take, but I don't think you make Harry Potter pinball if all you can get is the books.
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    That is a strong take. It's also a wrong take. Strong and wrong, huh? Let's assume, because I could be wrong. Harry Potter could happen. Let's assume Harry Potter can happen and it can only happen as the books. You as a manufacturer would have to be stupid, stupid, stupid not to do it. Stupid. But as long as you know you are ruining that pinball machine. You are ruining that license.
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    Look, license is key. But the books are good enough as a license. It won't ruin anything. because nothing about the doing it off of the books would ever preclude in theory zach would ever preclude the ability for a movie-based one to eventually happen anyway sure but it's not so how is it damaging because it's not going to it's a winning one's not going to happen if they end up doing the illustrated version of the book so you are admitting that we will never see another back to the future pinball we'll see one of those too i actually think we're more likely to see back to the future than we are harry potter wouldn't surprise me they're both going to happen they're both going to be mad they'll both never happen let's move on and stern pimble will only do it because stern will do it they're only going to do it with the feature film no everyone wants jjp to get it so that it's shiny and has 20 billion leds i want it uh sometime this decade before i die and then the topper can be like a movie sign saying tonight only harry potter and then it's the book version when you turn it oh no i love it god god so stupid how dumb with that look pinball machine with the animated oh god i want an animated like the art style the illustration for those books i want it totally like crayola meets watercolor meets uh some acrylic sure yeah right let's mix all the medium chuck ernst at stern pinball that the leads animation right now is begging for that not to happen hey chuck you know how much easier it would be just oh harry potter is 16 bit like deadpool i want it like a little old-timey fighting game that would work we were talking this last week i want harry to throw hadoukens for his spells that would work for ducktales oh i would take a ducktales uh nes pinball machine just as much as i would like a regular ducktales pinball machine if they do ducktales i want the match sequence at the end to be Scrooge McDuck jumping into the pool of coins, but he only goes in if you get the match. If you don't, his neck breaks and he's dead.
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    I would have went for a Launchpad McQuack that crashes and the flames come up as your match, but okay. I like broken neck Scrooge McDuck. You can't dive into coins like that. It doesn't work that way. Kablooey. I'll let him have it for a match, but otherwise, no. He's got to break. He's got to die. Dwight wasn't kind enough to sing along the chorus and the hook of Blinded by Dwight on that show, so go check that out. And he talked about his dream things. I would extend my apologies to him for him being baited into that. He loves it. Look, Dwight's a creator of the people. That's why he does his shows. That's why he geeks out on this stuff. He's one of us. One of us. He also did something that most pinball creators will not do publicly. And that list some of their dream themes That true A lot won Oh God no Man that a big faux pas Oh somebody going to steal it That the sound of someone poaching the idea It's so dumb, though. Creators out there. I don't see why. These are decided by these manufacturers and what licenses can be secured and what can be sold. I don't see the harm in letting people know what themes you just as a person enjoy. Exactly. It's not like somebody's going to hear it and be like, oh, Eureka. I need to get that license. I say it so many times. Ideas are a dime a dozen. I just don't understand people getting worked up with their idea. I'm going to do an air quote so you can't see them, but I'm doing air quotes with their idea was stolen anyway. You and Dwight are the same. Ideas are the easy part. Bullshit, Dwight. They are. It's the work to implement is where everything falls apart. No. I got ideas for days. Build a castle on a bad idea. It would be a shitty castle. It would be a castle. Sure. Study how to lay the brick right. I'd look it up. My castle would be good. It would be pretty basic, but... No. Mine would be made of gold grout.
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    That's great. So the kids could just stick their fingers through. Gold leafing. Some of Dwight's dream themes were aliens. Him and Dennis are the same person, I think. Back to the future. Harry Potter. Yeah, that's a good one. Little Shop of Horrors, which I think is really smart and underrated.
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    Yeah, I actually think that one would do pretty well. But if we're doing musicals, like horror-style musicals, I would really rather see Rocky Horror done. I think a lot of would agree on that. But visually, just Little Shop of Horrors would work.
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    Firefly, the show, not the movie. Okay, I've seen both. I could see that. Super niche. Wow. And The Matrix. The Matrix should have had one when it came out The first movie And didn't it also end up being Lord of the Rings? Oh I don't know I thought I heard an interview with Gary Stern Where they were looking at The Matrix And they ended up going Lord of the Rings Which in the end Lord of the Rings was a better pick as a theme And of course it's an iconic game Hard to pick between those two Because they're both just some of the best ever The thing is In hindsight is 2020 obviously But the next two Matrix movies were awful and the other two Lord of the Rings movies were very good they weren't they're awful I went back and re-watched them they're really bad they're not bad really bad you could see the point where the creative team got full of themselves and it was at the start of the second one where they were like this is so philosophical and so deep the first one the same thing happened to Battlestar Galactica the reboot they ate up their own hype where they were like oh we're the greatest drama on cable and then they just went super dramatic to try and be more drama Isn't that the same thing as Firefly? Aren't they the same thing? Battlestar Galactica, Firefly? No, no, no. Battlestar Galactica was a TV show that got a reboot later on. Firefly is one of the Joss Whedon properties. I need to check out Firefly, I guess. Never seen it. It didn't get – it wasn't very many. Everybody talks about it, though. Two seasons? Well, like a lot of Joss's stuff, it sort of reached cult status after it went off the air. and then they were able to do a show – or excuse me, they were able to do a movie to kind of wrap things. He got the green light to do a movie. Had the movie done really well, the show might have been able to continue. Netflix might have been making it. Yeah, something like that. This was a little before that time period where Netflix was doing all that. But the movie did not do great either. I see. I'll go back and check it. Last point that I wanted to bring up about the Dwight Sullivan joining Freeplay was he was talking about the difference between Bally Williams days making programming a pinball machine. He was like, it took like a person, a person and a half to program a game. He said, now it's like five programmers.
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    That's a team now. Because he kept on going back to, this ain't just me, this is a whole team of people. And he's right. Just no one cares. Well, just kind of like you not caring about new code. New code drop for the Mandalorian and Led Zeppelin. No one cares. I do. .97 on Mandalorian. Well, yeah, because you're like the one person listening to this show that owns both of them. Ba-boom.
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    I did just sell my Led Zeppelin. Yep. Why do you hate it? I don't hate it. You sold it and it's not even been a year. I sold The Shadow and it's one of my most favorite games ever. Yeah, but you've probably played that over so many. You've had a lot of time to experience The Shadow. It's been around a little. It's been around a bit. Mandalorian version .97 now has an added feature to the foundry a question mark I'm still confused I haven't updated code yet but I'm still confused watching videos on this it costs 100 Beskar it always costs 100 Beskar but if you do the question mark it will just randomly select another option for you but those options are all worth more than 100 so it doesn't make sense to me and then if it lands back on the question mark there's other mysteries you can win like all i see here is this the new multi-ball it's a dank for each frenzy multi-ball other now i don't know what dwight and team are doing here why i had a question mark in the whole in the whole beskar and foundry thing separate from a mystery award i thought so i don't know what this is isn't the isn't the nice thing making that strategic pick about what do you like do you want the flamethrower exactly it's odd to me but Or combining two, if you have enough best card to combine two, you do save by buying two at once. It's kind of like when people contact me at Flippin' Out, and they're like, hey, if I buy two machines at once, can I get a discount? Hmm. Yeah, you know, I could see. Okay, so yeah, that's the thing. So given that the question mark's always, and I don't remember what everything else costs, but like if the question mark is, say, it's the cheapest thing. It is. Then, okay, so I get the idea. And there's no whammies. Like I could see if there was whammies. You press your luck. might get a whammy. You spent $100 for nothing. But it's always something. That would make it a little more interesting. But yeah, I get the, okay, well, mystery, you can pay less and you have no control. And imagine in a tournament, your life's on the line. You only got like 105 best scar and you're like, I need something. I need the flamethrower. I got to take the question mark. I got to take it. Lit an extra ball. Damn it. I don't get it, Dwight. You're going to make me plunge it. I love you, but I don't get this. Unless he's like, look, it's .97. I'm building towards something else. I see the value in competitive play. I see the value there. I don't get it. It's a desperation move. It's a stupid move. It's rubber banding in pinball. Led Zeppelin 1.04 added new light shows, new displays, new speech. And you won't enjoy any of it. Well, probably only at some point. That's so weird. What is? People get rid of games and then bring them back. Really? I find that. I've never understood it psychologically. I don't get it. Well, there's only room for so many games, and you've played the hell out of one so long, and you're like, eh. You're done with it, and then there's a whole world of pinball to experience. Have they missed it again? No. Come back to me, Hobbit. Maybe be sure. My flavors change over time. I get an itch for something special. When do you think we'll see the next Stern game? Probably around Expo time. Oh, that late? October. Yeah. Okay. I think we'll see maybe a late September. Hmm. Here's what's nuts. This is kind of a quasi hashtag bye-bye-bye. But people are like, I get chuckles whenever people say, hey, can you put me on the LA list? I'm like, it's good. It's a good one. Yeah, that should have happened about four or five months ago. But no, now people are jumping on this pre-order pro premium list. Haven't even seen the game. That's how hot this market is right now. Does that not just blow your mind, Dennis? It isn't what I would do, but... Wow.
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    I get it. From a desire to avoid waiting, it trumps the desire to know what the game looks like. Mm-hmm.
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    It's just a different buying environment than what I was used to, is all. Right now, a lot of dealers are fresh out of inventory of everything, and they're pre-orders. Like speaking for myself at Flippin' Out Pinball, I'd say the majority of our 2021 pre-orders for the rest of the year production runs are gone. They're already pre-ordered, spoken for. That's hard. Hard to run a business.
    44:20
    So I sell Art Blades. Jersey Jack Pinball this last week officially announced. G&R Art Blades. Did you see these? Yeah. Don't they come with the side protectors? They do. I know everybody's like, $119? What the hell is that? But they do have the side protectors. That way when you install them and you have to lift your play field, you can put these on there to protect them. Will I get them immediately? They're going to come out end of August to the fall. Okay, that's not too bad. So not too bad. Get your orders in now. FlippinOutPenball.com American Pinball, we continue hearing rumors of their next game being Legends of Valhalla. Hmm, I am coming home.
    44:59
    The Vikings are coming home. How many do they sell? You know what the game looks like? A few hundred, like 200. Yep, I think so too. Did you know that they did sell, everybody's like, oh, they didn't even sell 500 of Hot Wheels. No, they did. They did. I thought Hot Wheels did okay. Yeah, confirming here. They sold more than 500 Hot Wheels. I still prefer Houdini, but people are buying Houdini too. And happy, happy, happy five-year anniversary to the Slam Tilt Podcast. Our buddies, Ron and Bruce. Brucey baby. Why do you think that dynamic works? It's an odd couple approach. How original.
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    You asked how it works. It's a formula. These formulas work. You know what doesn't work is when people try and break the mold and reinvent everything, thinking they're being so clever. Oh, I don't know what you're posing there, but something tells me it's against me. No, actually, it has to do with some watch drama. Oh! Time piece market trends.
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    Can't go with watch. It's one syllable. I'll tell it to you because you're a small – and actually, I used for my discussions with you as a small business owner, entrepreneur in the pinball space to make some arguments on this. I'll lay it out here real quick because I think you can see the parallels in pinball. You can envision it really easily. So there is a seller of watches. They specialize in selling used products. So they would buy. They do like market trend style. They buy, and then they'd sell for more. Okay. Or they take units on consignment and sell them on behalf of the owner.
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    They shut down their social media, wouldn't respond to any emails, wouldn't answer any phone calls, took all of the inventory out of their physical storefront, and partially scraped the name off the door. Wow, what the hell? The public panicked and thought they were running with the consignment watches. And they came out a week later and said, we were disrupting the industry. You guys focused on social media too much. Surprise, we were doing charity work for a week. Now tell me, as a business owner, was this a smart move? I would say no. Well, they were being bold and innovative. That's what they say. How much exposure did it get them? A lot, at least in their physical business is based in Dallas. And it was covered on local news. It was discussed on local radio, and then, of course, the internet picked up on a lot. Because here's the thing. Again, there were some parallels to you in that they were business people, but they also do a lot of – like they do a behind-the-scenes YouTube series. They do media stuff. Okay. Yeah, yeah, and they're big. In the watch space, they're big. They have over 100,000 subscribers. It's all relative, but okay. So, yeah, well, I mean, amongst watch YouTubers, they are not the biggest, but they are probably in the they're in the top 10. OK, so they have a difference than me. You know, OK. Right, right. So but the point being, it was like here's what I would have said. I would have said it was fine. PR wise, it's kind of cute, especially if it got recognition, especially because you're going to throw that charity card in there. So how are you going to be mad? Right. until they scraped something off the door that's when it became a little bit um histrionic that's a little douchey that's that's a little weird and before everything came out there were a lot of especially they done a lot of collaborations with other uh what they're called gray market dealers so they had collaborated with other gray market dealers they had done collaborations with other youtube channels uh and anyway it all it all backfired It all backfired. They've lost thousands of subscribers.
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    Their video that they put together an hour long. And they have like people follow them around with cameras. They have a video crew. Wow. And they're not the only ones that do this in the watch space. This is where real money is. It's not like pinball. Anyway, that video, they didn't even keep it up online for 24 hours because of the down votes.
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    They deleted it. They really got handed it to them. It kind of reminds me of a podcast that continues to scream how big they are in pinball. But numbers don't lie. Sometimes when you scream the loudest, you're falling the fastest. That's all I'm saying. And that was their response to it because, of course, then they started responding to everyone. And people would criticize them. And they're like, well, but you're watching. Well, we've got the views. And then they started bleeding. They started bleeding viewers and bleeding subscribers. And so my point being that in the video, though, because I saw it. Actually, someone else uploaded it to another YouTube channel so you could go and watch it. They're sitting there around this conference table while this is being filmed ostensibly during their blackout week. And they're talking about how they're disrupting an industry. It's like they sabotage their own business. People don't like being lied to either. And so my point is being bold can be very stupid. There are formulas on how to maintain customer confidence. and they just threw that all out the window for a bunch of YouTube clicks. Wow. And then they didn't even keep the video up, so what good was it? Yep. Total joke. And that's kicking the nuts right there, but they learned a very valuable lesson. They'll recover. They'll be fine. They could recover, sure. Hopefully they learned a valuable lesson. They don't double down on it. We'll see. Oh, no. We'll see how histrionic they really are.
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    Not that histrionics has anything to do with Slam Tilt Podcast, Yes, but Ron and Bruce, congratulations. Five years. My point is they are, yes, odd couple formula. It works. Why disrupt the industry when you can do something so well that you know will work and make you successful? And that's what Ron and Bruce have done. So that means you're going to do this with me for five years? Probably not. But, I mean, we're still, you know, we're in a similar, we probably copied them. We stole their idea. Don't leave me for watches, Dennis.
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    I need you. Who in the hell would you find in time pieces that would be a good counterpart? Come on. Yeah, I think Ron and Bruce are, they're kind of, I would say at this point, a classic legendary pinball podcast. God tier?
    51:16
    Let's not push ourselves that far. But I think that if there was a Hall of Fame for pinball podcasting, they'd be in it. That's what I'm saying. Hmm. If only someone would create a Hall of Fame.
    51:29
    What time is it, Zach? No, you know what time it is, baby. Look at your time piece. Unless it's a Timex. Cheap pieces of shit. Hey, Bob!
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    Market trends! What were you going to say? I said Timex has some interesting watches. Oh, it's fine. It is not like Russian Timex. To be fair, Timex costs more than Vostok at this point. Vostok? You talk shit about Vostok. Vostok gets you a watch for under $50. Yes, Amazon Prime. Open that box. You have a fucking head in there. Unless you want dive watch, then I get you watch under 90. Isn't there like a Mykonos or something? I thought there was a watch. Probably. Okay. There are hundreds of current manufacturers, and then we go beyond that. There are thousands if you go with the defunct ones. Wasn't there like a video game collaboration with some watch company here recently? Oh, Tag Heuer did Mario. Yeah. That sold out in one day. Turning out this week, Tag Heuer. with a Mario watch. Mario smart watch.
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    Fail. As you get your steps in, Mario gets as much Super Mushroom gets big. Really? Yeah. And then he'll get the Invincible Star eventually. On a watch? Well, it's a smart watch, you know, like the Apple Watch. And that's all they can do with it? Well, I mean, I think it checks your pulse too.
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    What about the raccoon Mario? He's my favorite. I didn't see him. It was disappointing. Either him or second, close second is It's Cape Mario and Super Mario. Which Mario? The Cape Mario and Super Mario. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. Super Nintendo. Love him. So you like the ones that fly? Yeah, and Yoshi. Yoshi! Gotta have that one. I like the flying ones. I remember Super Mario 3 where you got the shoe. They advertised the shoe. It was only on one level. Yeah, it was pretty weak. I was so upset as a kid. I was like, come on. You came up with this cool shoe tech and you only used it on one level. Yeah, and then everybody likes the frog. He's like, well, the frog's no good on land because he's got a weird, inconsistent jump. It's going to fuck up every time. Oh, the frog is terrible. Now I like the Takuti suit which is the flying suit where he in the full furry suit Oh the teddy bear But he could turn to stone Yeah I like that one too But that power wasn on very many levels No, it wasn't. I still like Super Mario where you press forward on the cape when you're flying it back. When can we have a new Super Mario pinball, Zach? Forward, back. We need a new Super Mario pinball. Dwight should have talked about that. I think Super Mario pinball would do better than illustrated Harry Potter pinball. And I could play it on my Tag Heuer watch. turning up this week is chicago gaming company's medieval madness remake royal edition i thought those were all sold out they're all sold out but people are selling them on the secondary market for 18 to 19 000 dollars holy cow that's stupidness right there that's yeah wow you guys want to know why that's dumb it's because you can buy all the parts to it that's the only even only remake I don't get it. But you can still find like a remake. I saw a remake. Might have been a standard. I don't know. It was like eight, nine grand. Why would you? It's black speckled powder coat, people. Who cares? You can buy everything. Well, those supplies are, we're out of all of that. But there's a lot of people probably still have them on their shelves. This is like the dumbest training up ever. But numbers don't lie. We only report the facts. I can't say the same, though, for a couple of 90s Valley Williams. Trending down this week is, I'm going to give it the duo together, Judge Dredd and Johnny Mnemonic. The Js. Junkyard might trend down after this. It might. The triple J. Yeah, that's a more rare one. Johnny Mnemonic, I love. Anybody who's done a minty one out there? Glove's always broken. I'll pay for it. Not on minty restored ones. That's why there is no such thing. You're not going to get one. Sure. Nope. So that would be a fast break. Nope. Don't write in. Don't offer it to him. Sell it to someone else. I'll pay you more than you think you can get. All right. Johnny Mnemonic is trending down, though. That and Judge Dredd. Judge Dredd, phenomenal. What a fun layout. I hate Judge Dredd. I do, too. Worst super pin. But why do you hate it? Other than Popeye. Why do you hate it, though? It's clunky. Oh, no, no, no, no. It's clunky. You hate it because of the code. I've played it multiple times. I've never had fun with it. It's the code. It's the music. Art's good. I like the animations and stuff, but the gameplay just is not there. I just can't stand Judge Dredd. I like what you're shooting on Judge Dredd. A lot of fun. I look at it, and I think it looks like it'll be fun, and then none of the shots are where I think they should be. If the game has any sort of wear or any sort of power issue, you can't make a variety of the shots. It's such a struggle. But for some reason, we've had all of these games find this resurgence. Some of these 90 games, like Radicals or Whirlwinds, they find this resurgence, and they increase in value. Bram Stoker's Dracula. But these two just haven't. You see them always on the market. Right now, Pinside, you can probably find eight Judge Dreads for sale. $3,000. They're not going up. They shouldn't. I only Judge Dread. I actually don't think I've ever played Johnny Numano. That's a really fun game. I've heard that. I've never seen it. I don't like that the glove slows down gameplay a lot, but I do like the speed of that game. Or save a ruble. Or do. in this week's Deals of Zvi. Bye, bye, bye! Bye, bye, bye? I don't have a Transylvanian accent, but there is a Brom Stoker's Dracula. $6,000. Might sound high, but this is fully restored, Dennis. All the boards have gone through. The playfield's been clear-coated by HSA. The cabinet is spectacular. They got powder coat on here. That's the only thing I'm not crazy about, is the powder coat. It's like a burgundy. They call it a coagulated blood. Doesn't look bad, But it wouldn't have been my choice. But the cabinet is impeccable. Looks like a brand new cabinet. This thing is damn clean. So for $6,000, when these things are selling, you know, just a decent one for $4,000, and a really nice one for $5,000, you're not going to lose money on this for $6,000. Buy, buy, buy! And they're willing to trade for a Turtles Premium LE, Jurassic Park Premium LE, Avengers Premium LE, and they'll add cash as needed. $6,000 out of Langley, Kentucky by the name KY-PEN. It's a nice game. You would never spend $6,000 on a Dracula. No, absolutely. It's not worth $6,000 as a game. I like Bromster. It's a solid B-tier Williams title. I agree. Again, I'm thinking about what you could buy new. And that's the barrier that I think also is affecting some of this stuff, is obviously you've gotten so much, as people have tried to get any pinball machine they can get their hands on, you're running up into the ceiling of, what are new in boxes running at? It's very difficult for games like games this shallow and usually – I get this one's restored, but games that are often with a lot more wear and you're seeing them trying to go for brand-new Stern Pro prices, and it just doesn't make sense. It didn't last in my collection either. You're right. It just doesn't have the depth that I need. I like it as a location game. It's a perfect location game, perfect – perfect. I actually wouldn't mind owning it, a BSD, but I would never pay this much. I wouldn't want to restore it. Have you been out yet to play any of these new games? Not yet. I've been so busy. It's not because I can't, that I'm avoiding anything. It's just I've been – work stuff has been – I'm wrapping up audit things and stuff people don't want to hear me talk about. So my plan is to probably start resuming playing competitively next month, so here in a couple weeks. And that'll force me to get a lot of experience on all these new games. Because we've got almost all of them at the locations that I've seen. Yeah, that's what I figured. And I thought, man, Dennis has got to be close to being able to play some of these newer games. Yeah, I just haven't. I actually thought maybe today going out to Nub's Pub or something for lunch and just taking my quarters and playing some stuff just for the fun of it. Good thing this wasn't coming out today and not until tomorrow, which is Monday, because then you'd have paparazzi and everybody else trying to bother you. Yes, but unfortunately we've spent so long recording I don't think I'll be doing it now That's crazy, Dennis But I'll tell you what else is even crazier It's this week's deal of the Deal of the WTF this week Is a Ghostbusters Pro on Pinside You guys know where I'm going I like Ghostbusters I do too Unlike Amanda, who hates it She just needs to play better But Ghostbusters Pro, which is actually the best version The shooting version and everything I agree A lot of people know this pin sider Fat Dirk Fatty McDirk's got a Ghostbusters Pro It's got the Gozer mod Ecto-1 mod color DMD Shaker, speaker lights Custom code with callouts It's got a topper Which okay, wait a minute Stern topper $1,500, $2,000 Nope It's the Laserific topper So you're not adding but $200 there Dennis Creasel $7,200 for this thing Hmm. Yeah. It does seem a bit high. This is firm. Like, what? Sell, sell, sell. Fat Dirk. Can you put side armor on this thing? Powder coat? The right topper? Come on, Fat Dirk. I don't know what some of these people are smoking. Like, Ghostbusters has gone sky high, but not this price. Anytime I see a Ghostbusters, I'm judging some of you GB owners out there. if I see that stupid-ass big fat Ecto-1 mod, I will downplay anything else you do in that game because I know your choice in mod selection is complete and utter garbage. You should not be allowed to mod any games if you put something like that in your game. Maybe that's the way you take it. Wow, that's such a hard take. There's nice mods, and there's complete junk shit garbage mods that make your game look like an old Gottlieb. and that'll do it and i was right my hypothesis because as we look at this play field he also put what he's calling the gozer mod again which is a fucking atrocity it's the the figurine of gozer in the back just standing there above the cityscape doesn't make any sense it looks like shit no god i hope this person never sells this game hope it blows a fuse i don't i don't think that's so mean it's just this ecto one that mod makes me so angry apparently it's so poorly done everybody thinks that i'm just a pro mod person no i i'm the person that's going to stand up and fight for the right to ditch and drown all of the shitty mods of the world every one of them A little salty, I know, a little bitter, perhaps, but that was your week's Pinball Market Trends.
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    Shitty Mod Edition. Let's close it down, Dennis. People can catch you over at EGP in the time being, can't they? They can. They can email eclecticgamerspodcast.gmail.com. Where's that 100-episode t-shirt? How's that coming along?
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    I think I've given up. I'm going to beat you to the finish line with the pinball show t-shirts. I haven't approached a new artist after. I reached out to a few others, and it was, of course, we're so far past that. That was like two years ago at this point. Well, you can just do a commemorative, just a new EGP shirt. Yeah, yeah. That was what the pivot was going to be, but the pivot never pived.
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    Pivotless. What would you do if you could decide? Would you have a design in mind? or oh yeah no tony and i already knew what we wanted oh oh it was oh i'm i'm super i'm gonna tell it so people can steal this idea they want oh man so so the idea was uh anthropomorphic machines of both of us okay so one would be in like thinking like a boxing arena and our fighting game uh 2d scene sort of setup so a face-off and my rock and robots yeah kind of but my character would be built out of pinball machine parts and tony would be a mix of computers and consoles and we're just beating the shit out of each other parts flying everywhere yes and like the parts could smell out eclectic gamers podcast oh that is a pretty good idea yeah that's what i thought would it play would it would it spell them out in the air or what spelled them out on the mat i'd leave that to the artist's discretion but but the thought being that it would be a good visual a way to encapsulate gaming and also the pinball and video game aspects of what we focus on. That was the thought we had. Discussion and conflict and disagreement. The irony being that unlike the Odd Couple style shows, Tony and I don't disagree very much. I know you don't. We're changing the industry. Two dozen people at a time. Similarities at a time. It's so great. I'm such a winner. Tony pisses me off a lot on there. It's okay. I still listen. I still love him and he still doesn't like me that's okay I think I prefer it that way honestly Tony creep me out of you Tony won't hear you because he does not listen to this show people say that shit all the time no he doesn't is your t-shirt going to have the dreidel in it like the last logo did that's not a dreidel I always see it as a dreidel every time I see it it's a 20 sided die for those that haven't seen the shirt probably not because I had that logo designed when we also had a tabletop gaming segment as a regular occurring always every episode. So I'd probably shed that for this next one. I'm always like, Mazel Tov. I get these guys. But we like the logo, so we haven't discussed changing the logo for the show. Speaking of logos, everybody likes Flippin' Out logo. Ding. So pretty. This week's Bye Bye Bye product showcases the GNR Artblade. Go ahead and pre-order one on my website now, FlippinOutPinball.com, or you can email me at Zach, Z-A-C-H, at flip the letter N, outpinball.com. You can text me too, 812-457-9711. As a reminder, Stranger Things Pros, remember? They pulled those parts together, what they have left. I didn't, but Pepperidge Farm remembers. That's a good one. September, September run. I still have, I think, two spots left for that. Avengers Pro, boy, oh, boy, I think one July spot left here. I'll have to double check. Iron Maiden. You're at the point where you have to promote spots because you don't have any inventory left. This is so true. It's so true. And they're low. Like one spot on Iron Maiden Pro. One. And I have a truck full coming. One spot left. And they're doing that early August. They bumped it back a week from late July. Star Wars the Pin comic edition. I haven't been advertising those. But think about those people if you guys, as we're coming into the holiday here the next couple months. break rooms, garages, your parents' place. They want a pinball machine or family members that are like, I want a pinball machine, but I want to pay eight grand for one. Perfect complimentary piece. And the same play field in a different cabinet goes for like 50 grand. I'm just saying. Supreme.
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    Hot wheels, we got some August spots left. I think some Houdini's rolling out in a couple months here. Have some orders for that. I've got a whole list of Art Blades. if you guys email me and you have a specific art blade you're looking for of the games they're making. I've got those Batmans and stuff. Escalera turnaround time is 8-10 weeks. We've got banners, we've got shooter rods as well. Don't ask about the Jurassic Park, still waiting on that. But I do have Stranger Things shooter rods, believe it or not, which is crazy crazy talk. Wait until those stop selling. Another one of those things. And check out Straight Down the Middle a video series on pinball and rubber bands. I'm looking forward to that one. Jurassic Park trucks. Did you see the This or That yet? The Who Wore It Best? The Pro Premium LA? It's a good one. Mm-hmm. It's a good one. Do you agree with us for the most part or no? You know, I'm more indifferent to those picks, but yeah, you had good arguments.
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    TPN, last week we had that Free Play Pinball podcast with Dwight Sullivan. Had a bunch of streams as well. I think Fliptronic went over to Multimorphic, which was cool, playing some heist. I asked Jerry on that chat what the turnaround time was and I think he said three months I might have got that wrong sorry Jerry as someone who ordered one I thought they had indicated it was about two but don't quote me I'm being recorded I'm not promising that but someone posted on Facebook and mentioned it was I mean it was over a month I would take another stab at a P3 Multimorphic but I'm still waiting for that killer app. Maybe the next thing with Scott Denisey will be the killer app.
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    If you guys also, as I'm thinking about it now, Fathoms, we haven't got an update on Fathom Revisited, the mermaid edition. I thought they were going to start that up here in the summer, so it should be coming soon. So we'll look for a shit update from Dr. John soon. But if you guys have anybody in the States here that are interested in one, contact us at FlippinOutPinball. That's all I'm saying. Might be able to help you. coming up this week on tpn i believe his final round pinball podcast took their break and now they're back we'll get uh we'll probably get just another pinball podcast maybe a triple drain you got t-shirts and shit now do you see that uh yeah yeah i did tom's still my favorite he's the only real star that's what the critics are saying and i did hear on the last slam tilt podcast that bruce said he and kathy are almost back yeah they were wrapping up their move so i know that was the big delay and then you go they're in the process of getting a new house yep many of you were like threatening me about getting that discord invite i see you bruce such violence bruce has gone surly ever since he started working for a collective yes bruce if you're listening to this right now ron you can tell him bruce and i need to find a way we're both madly in love with radical we need to find a way to get a uh nos playfields or repro playfields and have us built from the ground up new radicals we say bruce i think he would rather just drive 20 mile uh 20 hours one way and get his own anybody knows we're a radical playfield we'll give you a 500 finder fee for all the winners of that flipping out uh spooky giveaway email us your information where we need to ship these things off to as always for dennis creasel i'm zach manning and remember if things are desperate and you've got 100 best car go into that foundry and let question mark take the wheel so stupid and always practice safe pinball and my lord up so long give a bloody Welcome back everybody Thanks for coming Welcome back everybody Thanks for hanging out with us At the pinball show episode 68 What are you laughing about now What did I do I'm done What did I do Nothing No I'm going to find it and edit aren't I No no You had already fixed it.
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    I'm just... I'm just having to write my essay today. I'm sorry.